Royals at Indians Gamethread 4/26

[SPchief]

Hochaver on the mound tonight

[SPchief]

Avieles leading off

[KCUnited]

Anxious to see what kind of movement Hoch has on his facepalm ball tonight.

[stonedstooge]

Evilas thinks he's Ruth now

[stonedstooge]

Com'on 19

[SPchief]

Hochhaver gives up a leadoff double

[SPchief]

That fucking drum is annoying

[SPchief]

Smart play by Kila


After 1 1-0 Indians

[stonedstooge]

Are they hollering at Billay?

[KCUnited]

Inning Kila.

[SPchief]

Good inning for Hoch

After 2 1-0 Indians

[keg in kc]

I don't think the bleeding's going to stop tonight.

[SPchief]

Masterson perfect thru 3

[DeezNutz]

How in the fuck is Betemit not playing?

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Masterson has a

PERFECT GAME so far


(channeling the BCD jinx from last week :p)

[KCUnited]

HR, hit batter...time to balk him around.

[stonedstooge]

That's the first time I have seen Kila put a tag on a player

[SPchief]

It looks like a bad call, but Jason Kendall can still go die in an Aids fire

[SPchief]

Thru 3 2-0 Indians

[petegz28]

How in the fuck is Betemit not playing?

I dont get it at all. Why do you sit one of your best hitters to keep in one of your worst?

[stonedstooge]

I gave up wondering after complaining the first 15 games when Betemit was held out. My guess his attitude clashes with Yost. Only thing I can come up with

[SPchief]

Allright Alex, lets extend that streak here

[jbwm89]

19 games baby

[SPchief]

Nice

[SPchief]

Drive him home billay and tie this game up

[SPchief]

BIILLLLAAAYYY

[SPchief]

Come on Frenchy, extend your streak and lets take the lead

[jbwm89]

The idea of Gordon-Butler-Hosmer-Moose in the middle of our order makes me want to cream my pants.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Run Billay

[stonedstooge]

Billay better sit on the base and take a breather

[DeezNutz]

:( at Biilllaaayy's lack of athleticism.

[SPchief]

Good job Frenchy


Now Kila, do anything but hit into a DP

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Rally Kilah

[SPchief]

:banghead:

[KCUnited]

Inning Kila.

[kcchiefsus]

God Damnit Kila I fucking hate you.

[Al Bundy]

Kila with the full on suck.

[DeezNutz]

Hope Kila.

[petegz28]

Thanks for nothing, kila

[eazyb81]

BUT HE HAS A HIGH MINOR LEAGUE OBP!!!

HE CAN'T FAIL

[Three7s]

God, Kila is so useless. Does anyone even care about how bad Clint Robinson's defense is? Just get him the hell up here so I don't have to see Kila looking like a loser at the plate.

[stonedstooge]

Nice play Getz, and Escobar

[stonedstooge]

Escobar is friggin unreal

[SPchief]

HOLY SHIT

[Saulbadguy]

whoa

[SPchief]

After 4 2-2

[Archie F. Swin]

what would you do for an es-co-bar?

[CoMoChief]

what would you do for an es-co-bar?

I'd go slaughter some puppies in front of a buncha children.

[SPchief]

Bad mistake

[Al Bundy]

And Luke shows us why he should have been a tenth round pick. This guy has nothing to offer as a major league pitcher.

[petegz28]

When was the last time we led in a game?

[yhf]

Ferchrissakes Hoch!

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Hoch pitching BP right now

:banghead:

[SPchief]

Left another one up

[stonedstooge]

Going to wait another 2 innings before someone goes and talks to him?

[petegz28]

Jfc, hochevar, you suck!

[DeezNutz]

And Luke shows us why he should have been a tenth round pick. This guy has nothing to offer as a major league pitcher.

We hate him because of where he was selected and what we passed on to do it (Longoria), but he's a viable #5.

aaaannnnnddd...he gives up another. Fuck me.

[petegz28]

Welcome to our 4 game losing streak.....2 fucking homeruns to the #9 hitter. Fucking sad

[Al Bundy]

Luke getting crushed....

[SPchief]

damn

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Jesus Fuck

Get him out of there already

[stonedstooge]

Gotta let him twist in the wind for awhile like last game he pitched

[DeezNutz]

Yost must think Hoch is the biggest pussy in baseball.

[GloryDayz]

So does kicking the wall when you've shown you're afraid of it, really mean anything? Are the Royals fading back to their old "awe shucks" ways? This is getting old!

[SPchief]

Hey Treanor, you might want to go clam him down

[DeezNutz]

Treanor is officially the most worthless POS on the roster.

[SPchief]

wtf

[stonedstooge]

It has to be purposeful that noone goes out to talk to him

[DeezNutz]

Damn. Close.

[DeezNutz]

Got fucked.

[petegz28]

Looked out to me

[Three7s]

Treanor is officially the most worthless POS on the roster.
Funny, everyone was calling him one of the great Moore pickups of the off-season a week ago. How things change so quickly.

I guess we all want Kendall back now too, right?

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Looks like he was out

[SPchief]

BS

[Archie F. Swin]

the only thing Hoch hasn't done tonight is ball up into the fetal position

[stonedstooge]

Dude pounding that damn drum ain't even an Injun. Scalp his ass so he shut's the damn thing up

[yhf]

Is McClure a shit pitching coach maybe? Not that I really think much of Hoch or Davies but here are two guys that supposedly can throw good pitches but both of em suck at pitching. I imagine the reality is that they are both weak minded flakes but hating them has grown stale. McClure seems like the next guy to blame.

[DeezNutz]

Funny, everyone was calling him one of the great Moore pickups of the off-season a week ago. How things change so quickly.

I guess we all want Kendall back now too, right?

Who is everybody? Nothing has changed so quickly.

Pena should be starting. When Treanor was signed, Rany posted that it seemed to be Moore's duty to downgrade the catcher position whenever possible. And referencing one of the worst signings in recent memory doesn't help the cause.

[SPchief]

damn close

[SPchief]

There we go

After 5 4-2 Indians

[Three7s]

Who is everybody? Nothing has changed so quickly.

Pena should be starting. When Treanor was signed, Rany posted that it seemed to be Moore's duty to downgrade the catcher position whenever possible. And referencing one of the worst signings in recent memory doesn't help the cause.
You may think that, but anyone that followed the GDTs for the first 2 weeks would find quite a few posts about liking Treanor and that Kendall should never come back.

[petegz28]

30+ innings since we have led in a game.

[DeezNutz]

Funny, everyone was calling him one of the great Moore pickups of the off-season a week ago. How things change so quickly.

I guess we all want Kendall back now too, right?

A couple of weeks ago, I was saying this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=7561517&postcount=84

[Archie F. Swin]

got Melk?

[SPchief]

Melky Homers

[Saulbadguy]

"nobody's homered"

Home run.

Creepy.

[milkman]

Made up for that crap play in the outfield.

[DeezNutz]

You may think that, but anyone that followed the GDTs for the first 2 weeks would find quite a few posts about liking Treanor and that Kendall should never come back.

Of course Kendall shouldn't come back, and I don't give a fuck what people who don't know much about baseball said about Treanor.

He is and always has been a broke-dick.

[DeezNutz]

That ball was hit hard. Keep it up, boys.

[Archie F. Swin]

Gordon got Gordonized

[milkman]

Shouldn't the answer to the trivia question be an easy one?

[SPchief]

This will probably be Mastersons last inning, we need to get on him.

[sedated]

Is McClure a shit pitching coach maybe? Not that I really think much of Hoch or Davies but here are two guys that supposedly can throw good pitches but both of em suck at pitching. I imagine the reality is that they are both weak minded flakes but hating them has grown stale. McClure seems like the next guy to blame.

McClure has made chicken salad out of chickensh!t more times that royals fans can count. Every team has busts - Hoch was regarded as a sh!tty pick from day 1, and Davies is only here because the Braves gave up on him and wanted to get something in return. We've had sh!tty talent forever, and McClure has worked more miracles than has had busts. He is not the problem IMHO.

Chen is solid. Grienke became a Cy Young winner under McClure. Meche was good until his arm fell off. Bannister was unexpectably solid for a while. And there are numerous bullpen guys that have produced while here and earned themselves good paychecks in the next city.

[petegz28]

Guess billy felt bad that masterson didnt get the call?

[SPchief]

After 6 4-3 Indians

[stonedstooge]

Kila 0-2
Escobar 0-2
Traenor 0-2

Not exactly Murder'ers Row Got to be one of the biggest problems with this team right now

[DeezNutz]

Escobar has looked great in the field, but we'll need to make sure that he can bat around .250ish.

[stonedstooge]

Think you can have a non hitting shortstop OR a non hitting catcher, but not both

[DeezNutz]

Catcher defense = ridiculously overrated. The catcher needs to hit.

[alnorth]

Escobar has looked great in the field, but we'll need to make sure that he can bat around .250ish.

yeah. I'm willing to see him get a lot of outs at the plate, but he's GOT to at least be better than .225.

Small sample size though, for all we know he might look like good by August.

[yhf]

McClure has made chicken salad out of chickensh!t more times that royals fans can count. Every team has busts - Hoch was regarded as a sh!tty pick from day 1, and Davies is only here because the Braves gave up on him and wanted to get something in return. We've had sh!tty talent forever, and McClure has worked more miracles than has had busts. He is not the problem IMHO.

Chen is solid. Grienke became a Cy Young winner under McClure. Meche was good until his arm fell off. Bannister was unexpectably solid for a while. And there are numerous bullpen guys that have produced while here and earned themselves good paychecks in the next city.

In all candor I believe you are absolutely right. The chickenshit that is Hoch is just so damned frustrating to deal with it makes me wanna lash out. McClure is an easy but undeserving target.

[alnorth]

Treanor, my Kendall-hatred is beginning to fade.

[stonedstooge]

It looks like Escobar has the tools to be a decent hitter. Maybe it's just his youth. He has a nice looking swing but seems to lunge at pitches that aren't even close

[KCUnited]

Treanor is making Kendall look like Tony Gwynn. Kendall batted .256 last year. How do you quantify throwing a couple guys out here and there?

[yhf]

dammit getz

[petegz28]

Swungbat ball 4

[milkman]

Not all that impressed with Getz.

Is there anything in the pipeline at 2nd base?

[milkman]

And who have they got as a potential LO hitter in the pipeline?

[DeezNutz]

Not all that impressed with Getz.

Is there anything in the pipeline at 2nd base?

Colon.

[DeezNutz]

And who have they got as a potential LO hitter in the pipeline?

Cain.

[petegz28]

#9 hitter with 3 hits

[SPchief]

nice pitch

[Three7s]

Not all that impressed with Getz.

Is there anything in the pipeline at 2nd base?
Getz's problem is he's retarded. Against a lefty, it should be obvious that the outside part of the plate is where you look to try and go the other way. It looked like he was trying to get something down the middle to kill it.

He's a joke at the plate.

[Al Bundy]

Hochevar should throw 120 pitches every outing.. blow his arm out, he is not in the future plans for this franchise (if they want to win).

[58-4ever]

Time to pull the string Ned

[alnorth]

Hochevar should throw 120 pitches every outing.. blow his arm out, he is not in the future plans for this franchise (if they want to win).

He went 97 pitches? :spock:

[SPchief]

Louis Coleman in

[DeezNutz]

:facepalm:

[SPchief]

Louis Coleman gives up 3 run homer

[AndChiefs]

Well there goes the game.

[stonedstooge]

And Coleman gives up a first pitch gopher ball

[DeezNutz]

Louis Coleman in

Ball, out.

[alnorth]

welp

He's a good hitter. I wont condemn Coleman on just one pitch. We'll see how many homers he gives up the rest of the year.

[sedated]

Hopefully the young arms can move Hoch to the bullpen. His sinker could be an asset there.

[KCUnited]

Nice to see Coleman fitting right in.

[petegz28]

Game




Over

[Archie F. Swin]

Ball, out.

lawlz

[Al Bundy]

Hoch needs to have his arm completely blown up. I hate him and I want him gone, he gives us no chance to win.

[petegz28]

4 game losing streak

Havent had the lead in almost 4 games



We suck again

[Al Bundy]

I got banned from Royals corner for talking about the Royals lack of power and what do ya know... the Royals give up a bunch more homers today... doubles ain't power.. that's slap hitting 70's baseball. Three run home runs are power, the Royals don't believe in up to date baseball.

[alnorth]

4 game losing streak

Havent had the lead in almost 4 games



We suck again

we're finally regressing to our mean.

On the bright side, our hot start may prevent a 100-loss season. Help is on the way!

[DeezNutz]

Over 400 career innings and an ERA of 5.56.

Let him be a #5 and call it good. And always be looking to upgrade his spot.

[Demonpenz]

Kendell back in the picture

[petegz28]

Silver lining.....detroit is losing along with the sox

[alnorth]

I got banned from Royals corner for talking about the Royals lack of power and what do ya know... the Royals give up a bunch more homers today... doubles ain't power.. that's slap hitting 70's baseball. Three run home runs are power, the Royals don't believe in up to date baseball.

Saying "the Royals dont believe in power" is just really silly. Every team wants power. Its not like you can go to the local Dollar Store and buy 3 sluggers with decent OBP's.

Our power is in the minor leagues.

[Al Bundy]

Saying "the Royals dont believe in power" is just really silly. Every team wants power. Its not like you can go to the local Dollar Store and buy 3 sluggers with decent OBP's.

Our power is in the minor leagues.

This franchise has never believed in power. They draft doubles guys and sinker ballers who give up long home runs.

[alnorth]

This franchise has never believed in power. They draft doubles guys and sinker ballers who give up long home runs.

I can see why you were banned.

[SPchief]

lets do this

[Al Bundy]

I can see why you were banned.

I watch Luke Hochevar and he epitomizes the pitchers we have drafted up to this point.

[SPchief]

Aviles with a 7 game hitting streak

[alnorth]

God, I hate the wave. Every time I see it, I despise it.

They are thinking "yawn, I'm bored, ooh a wave, here it comes, weeee! Wow, look at what we accomplished". I'm thinking "If you are that damned bored, get out of the ballpark, dumbass."

[SPchief]

Good AB by Melky

[petegz28]

Saying "the Royals dont believe in power" is just really silly. Every team wants power. Its not like you can go to the local Dollar Store and buy 3 sluggers with decent OBP's.

Our power is in the minor leagues.

We have heard that for 25 years

[stonedstooge]

Come on Alex, load 'em up for Billay The Bum

[KCUnited]

If we can just get to rally Kila...

[Archie F. Swin]

I just witnessed a theft

[SPchief]

If we can just get to rally Kila...

If we can get to Kila, I'll be happy

[SPchief]

Come on Billay!

[Archie F. Swin]

lets all rub our Billys for good luck

[stonedstooge]

The kid from the State School is coming in to pitch

[petegz28]

Billy k's
Frenchy hits into a dp

Inning over, no runs scored

[KCUnited]

Cabrera cubed.

[SPchief]

Just saw three Cabreras talking

[alnorth]

We have heard that for 25 years

for many of those years we were led by drooling retards.

I'm sorry, but if you believe that if the Royals knew for sure the last few years they could either draft a .875 OPS 35-home run hitter or a .900 OPS 10-home run hitter, that they would draft the latter, you are being silly.

Every team wants a good slugger who isn't an automatic sell-out strikeout. It is very damned hard to find that slugger when they are 18 or 20 years old.

Thus, to say "the Royals don't believe in power" is completely stupid, and ignores Occam's Razor which would suggest instead that they were either too unlucky or too stupid to identify these sluggers.

Aside from that, this dumb "Royals dont believe in Sluggers" theory would have to completely ignore Wil Myers and Hosmer. Why were THEY drafted?

[yhf]

piss

[SPchief]

Come on Frenchy

[Brianfo]

OVERRATED!!

[Bambi]

Billy Butler is so fucking overrated.

[Al Bundy]

Royals power...... pop up to second base.

[petegz28]

Bases loaded 0 outs.....we will get no runs

[Brianfo]

Billy Butler is so ****ing overrated.

10-4

[Archie F. Swin]

jesus christ on a cracker

[SPchief]

Allright Kila, prove me wrong

[AndChiefs]

If Kaiihue hits a homer here I will forgive him for all his suckiness so far.

[petegz28]

Wtf ump?

[SPchief]

BS

[AndChiefs]

Alright cut Kila.

[Bambi]

What a joke.

[KCUnited]

Inning Kila.

[siberian khatru]

:doh!:

[yhf]

pissdamnshitbastardassworthlesssonofabitch

[Blankey]

Patented Royals fail

[Al Bundy]

for many of those years we were led by drooling retards.

I'm sorry, but if you believe that if the Royals knew for sure the last few years they could either draft a .875 OPS 35-home run hitter or a .900 OPS 10-home run hitter, that they would draft the latter, you are being silly.

Every team wants a good slugger who isn't an automatic sell-out strikeout. It is very damned hard to find that slugger when they are 18 or 20 years old.

Thus, to say "the Royals don't believe in power" is completely stupid, and ignores Occam's Razor which would suggest instead that they were either too unlucky or too stupid to identify these sluggers.

Aside from that, this dumb "Royals dont believe in Sluggers" theory would have to completely ignore Wil Myers and Hosmer. Why were THEY drafted?

Bases loaded.. no outs.. our "power hitter" pops up to second base.

[petegz28]

You are fucking kdding me! We were set to get right back in it and totally choked

[sedated]

I'd say I've seen about 50 bases-loaded-no-outs situations for the Royals over the last several years, and we seem to get nothing out of it 3-times more than we get anything out of it.

[Brianfo]

Royals baseball. Gotta love it. Where are all the Billy Butler lovers?? Not impressed.

[BigMeatballDave]

The other shoe is about to drop...

[stonedstooge]

NO WALKS Collins

[KCUnited]

Bandwagon Kila.

[DeezNutz]

Royals baseball. Gotta love it. Where are all the Billy Butler lovers?? Not impressed.

Butler has had a rough couple of games recently, but he's the least of our problems.

[alnorth]

Bases loaded.. no outs.. our "power hitter" pops up to second base.

You are being dumb. About as dumb as the Royals in their futile pursuit of a power hitter during the drafts in the 90's.

[petegz28]

You are being dumb. About as dumb as the Royals in their futile pursuit of a power hitter during the drafts in the 90's.

How many times in the last 4 games have we had runners on with 0 outs and then proceeded to not even get the ball out of the infield?

[stonedstooge]

Friggin walk

[RockChalk]

Brutal showing by our 4, 5 and 6 guys there. Butler is almost an automatic fail in bases load situations for whatever reason. He gets up there and just swings at anything near the plate.

[Bambi]

Collins is a side show act.

Crow seems alright. But this guy sucks.

[SPchief]

Well, It might be soon that'll just be me Alnorth, Deez, and a couple of others posting in the gamethreads.

[Brianfo]

Butler has had a rough couple of games recently, but he's the least of our problems.

Not trying to pick a fight. I am just not impressed with Billy. Highest paid player on our team that is unathletic, a liability in the field and no power. Hope like hell that Hosmer pans out so we can trade Billy for more pieces.

[SPchief]

oh, and pete

[Reerun_KC]

Their bbbbbbaaaaaaaaccccccckkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to Royals baseball, gotta love these guys...

[DeezNutz]

How many times in the last 4 games have we had runners on with 0 outs and then proceeded to not even get the ball out of the infield?

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the larger point that alnorth is making.

[Archie F. Swin]

this is getting old

[petegz28]

And another homerun given up for good measure

[DeezNutz]

Not trying to pick a fight. I am just not impressed with Billy. Highest paid player on our team that is unathletic, a liability in the field and no power. Hope like hell that Hosmer pans out so we can trade Billy for more pieces.

It might be that he's traded eventually, because he certainly doesn't have a future in the field. However, his salary and ability at the plate are pretty much consistent with each other.

It's just frustrating right now because of the numerous other holes in the lineup.

And fucking shit, Collins.

[Brianfo]

Fun while it lasted. Me thinks we got 0 for road trip.

[Bambi]

Not trying to pick a fight. I am just not impressed with Billy. Highest paid player on our team that is unathletic, a liability in the field and no power. Hope like hell that Hosmer pans out so we can trade Billy for more pieces.

You're not getting anything for a guy who can't run, plays a substandard 1B, and hits for no power.

HR off Collins by the way.

[alnorth]

Butler in 2011: .316/.438/.443, 153 OPS+

If you are complaining about that, you need to take a deep breath, calm yourself down, and realize that this is not football.

In the game of major league baseball, we play 162 games, the game is EXTREMELY random, and "clutch hitting" is about as real as the tooth fairy.

Hypothetically speaking, every time a hitter comes up you are rolling one of those nerdy D&D-ish 100-sided die, and the results on the faces of those die are weighted differently based on how good the hitter is and how good the pitcher they are facing is. But, every hitter, EVERY HITTER, no matter how terrible the pitcher is, and no matter how good or how allegedly "clutch" they are, is capable of striking out in the 9th inning of game 7 in the world series.

[petegz28]

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the larger point that alnorth is making.

It's hard to make his point when we hear the same stuff year after year for 2 1/2 decades is all I am saying.

[DeezNutz]

You're not getting anything for a guy who can't run, plays a substandard 1B, and hits for no power.

HR off Collins by the way.

Most similar batters by age:

1. John Olerud (954)
2. Kent Hrbek (942)
3. Nick Markakis (922)
4. Chet Lemon (915)
5. Carlos May (912)
6. Delmon Young (912)
7. Carl Yastrzemski (911) *
8. Ellis Valentine (910)
9. Tony Horton (910)
10. Keith Hernandez (909)

But you're right; Butler is worth a bag of fucking balls.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butlebi03.shtml

[Brianfo]

You're not getting anything for a guy who can't run, plays a substandard 1B, and hits for no power.

HR off Collins by the way.

Why did the Royals rush to sign this guy long term with that contract to DH??

[DeezNutz]

It's hard to make his point when we hear the same stuff year after year for 2 1/2 decades is all I am saying.

I agree that it's been frustrating as hell to be a Royals fan. It would take a fool to argue otherwise.

[DeezNutz]

Why did the Royals rush to sign this guy long term with that contract to DH??

Because he's a really good hitter.

[SPchief]

Why did the Royals rush to sign this guy long term with that contract to DH??

:spock:

[Brianfo]

Because he's a really good hitter.

Agree to disagree. Just don't think a franchise like the Royals should tie up that much money on a career DH.

[petegz28]

I'm a little down on Billy for his performance as of late. I know or hope he will come back around and is just in a slump but the last 4 games he has not been what we expect.

[Bambi]

Butler in 2011: .316/.438/.443, 153 OPS+

If you are complaining about that, you need to take a deep breath, calm yourself down, and realize that this is not football.

In the game of major league baseball, we play 162 games, the game is EXTREMELY random, and "clutch hitting" is about as real as the tooth fairy.

Hypothetically speaking, every time a hitter comes up you are rolling one of those nerdy D&D-ish 100-sided die, and the results on the faces of those die are weighted differently based on how good the hitter is and how good the pitcher they are facing is. But, every hitter, EVERY HITTER, no matter how terrible the pitcher is, and no matter how good or how allegedly "clutch" they are, is capable of striking out in the 9th inning of game 7 in the world series.

I respectfully disagree.

[alnorth]

Why did the Royals rush to sign this guy long term with that contract to DH??

I would not have offered the contract. I'm guessing the Royals needed a "Face of the franchise" and some assurance they would keep someone after trading Greinke.

There could be some subtle indirect benefit to the business from "keeping Butler" that helps beyond what could be explained by his performance (good though it may be, but limited by his lack of defense). If you are a "face of the franchise", you should expect some sort of premium for assuming that duty.

[SPchief]

Treanor gets a hit!

[stonedstooge]

0-21 streak ended

[Archie F. Swin]

person in the stands wearing a powder blue Bo Jackson jersey, nice

[alnorth]

I respectfully disagree.

Fine.

You are wrong, and the body of evidence supports my view. If you wish to ignore his stats and go by your gut, I have no answer to that.

[RockChalk]

Because he's a really good hitter.

He's a great hitter.

I think what most people are frustrated with is that he never seems to get the "big" hit. Take tonight for example. Bases loaded, no outs and he just comes up with zero discipline, swinging at the first two pitches he saw. It seems like when he knows we need him to do something, he loses what makes him a great hitter.

[DeezNutz]

We're talking about Butler's contract like it's big. He's making $3M this year and $8M each of the following three years, with a team option in 2015.

This isn't "face of the franchise" money. If it is, the Royals are and will remain a fucking joke.

[Al Bundy]

Butler in 2011: .316/.438/.443, 153 OPS+

If you are complaining about that, you need to take a deep breath, calm yourself down, and realize that this is not football.

In the game of major league baseball, we play 162 games, the game is EXTREMELY random, and "clutch hitting" is about as real as the tooth fairy.

Hypothetically speaking, every time a hitter comes up you are rolling one of those nerdy D&D-ish 100-sided die, and the results on the faces of those die are weighted differently based on how good the hitter is and how good the pitcher they are facing is. But, every hitter, EVERY HITTER, no matter how terrible the pitcher is, and no matter how good or how allegedly "clutch" they are, is capable of striking out in the 9th inning of game 7 in the world series.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6396/billy-butler

Looks like 2 home runs for the season... he is a slap doubles hitter that is all.

[Bambi]

Most similar batters by age:

1. John Olerud (954)
2. Kent Hrbek (942)
3. Nick Markakis (922)
4. Chet Lemon (915)
5. Carlos May (912)
6. Delmon Young (912)
7. Carl Yastrzemski (911) *
8. Ellis Valentine (910)
9. Tony Horton (910)
10. Keith Hernandez (909)

But you're right; Butler is worth a bag of ****ing balls.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butlebi03.shtml

Lots of gold gloves on that list.

If Billy was Keith Hernandez in the field then he'd be worth so much more in a trade.

Who do you really think is out there who wants a full time DH who doesn't hit more than 20 HRs or drives in 100??

[DeezNutz]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6396/billy-butler

Looks like 2 home runs for the season... he is a slap doubles hitter that is all.

He's slugging .456, so power isn't solely defined by HRs. Do I want them? Fuck yes, but Butler is a very, very solid hitter.

[KCUnited]

Cabrera^3

[Bambi]

Fine.

You are wrong, and the body of evidence supports my view. If you wish to ignore his stats and go by your gut, I have no answer to that.

What stats??

A guy who hits doubles and nothing else??

I think you need to take a look at some of the other DHs around baseball.

[SPchief]

You gotta swing at that Alex

[DeezNutz]

Cut Gordon.

[Al Bundy]

He's slugging .456, so power isn't solely defined by HRs. Do I want them? **** yes, but Butler is a very, very solid hitter.

Slap doubles hitter. Even more noticeable tonight when he actually tried to hit for power and popped it straight up.

[SPchief]

damn

[petegz28]

can we get at least 1 win this trip?

[Archie F. Swin]

shit shoe chew

[Al Bundy]

Damn nice play by Choo.

[stonedstooge]

Not much positive to take out of this game. Got to get more than one facet of the game going. Good defensive will not win games when the pitching is substandard along with the hitting

[DeezNutz]

Slap doubles hitter. Even more noticeable tonight when he actually tried to hit for power and popped it straight up.

Dude, there's nothing "slap" about Butler's approach at the plate.

[DeezNutz]

Not much positive to take out of this game.

Unless you started Masterson on your fantasy team. :evil:

[Al Bundy]

Dude, there's nothing "slap" about Butler's approach at the plate.

More of a "pop up" approach... you saw what happened when he tried to actually drive the ball.

[RockChalk]

Collins ERA now up to 5.54

He seems to be getting a little worse each outing

[Bambi]

Might as well try this Robinson guy out.

Get freaking Kila outta here.

[Bambi]

Collins ERA now up to 5.54

He seems to be getting a little worse each outing

Yeah. He's a gimmick pitcher. At least he helped the franchise get out to a quick start in 2011.

Crow seems good for the long haul though.

[Bambi]

Arod up- 2 on and 1 out in bottom of 9th. Down by 1 to the White Sox

[Bambi]

omg, lillybridge!

[alnorth]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6396/billy-butler

Looks like 2 home runs for the season... he is a slap doubles hitter that is all.

point where I made the argument that Butler is a home-run hitter. Maybe he'll become one, but he is not. Regardless, he is an extremely good, very productive hitter. On most teams he'd be a solid #5 or #6 hitter. To criticize him for being what he is not is silly, but he is NOT a bad hitter. If we had a good slugger hitting behind Gordon and in front of Butler, you'd be praising Butler!

Why? Why would the presence of a slugger make you appreciate Butler more? Is that not dumb?

You were the one who made the stupid proclamation that the Royals "dont believe in Power". On its face, that is silly because reliable power hitters who are not inning-killing strikeout machines are very rare.

Your unproven silly assertion is about the same as if I said a certain mutual fund manager "didn't believe in profits" because he lost money in the last 5 years. Its not that he simply wasn't good enough to figure out what to invest in (similar to our front office's failure to draft well), no, obviously that couldn't be it, he must not believe in profits. (ie our front office idiotically doesn't believe in power, that is so much easier to believe than the thought that they failed to find it) He's a lazy bum who wants to steal money from investors for fees until no one is willing to invest in his fund, yeah thats it!

Sounds outlandish? Its about as likely as the silly thought that the Royals don't believe in power!

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm ready for Hosmer.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Sweet turd sandwich, this team sucks.

[GloryDayz]

Dang, and I was hoping to take the family back out to the K... I might have to wait a little longer...

[Dartgod]

Who in the fuck are all these trolls that never posted in the Royals threads when we got off to a good start? Now that we're slumping, the floodgates open with these morons.

[Demonpenz]

sucks...but oh well. Frenchy swang through that homerun ball

[PunkinDrublic]

At least the other teams in the division lost. Except the twinkies game got ppd.

[BWillie]

Royals are only 3 games away from being the worst team in baseball. Nobody is doing really bad just yet. The pain is coming folks. We have by far the worst starting pitching staff in the majors. And yes, I've been saying this all year.

[GloryDayz]

Who in the **** are all these trolls that never posted in the Royals threads when we got off to a good start? Now that we're slumping, the floodgates open with these morons.

Do your research (if you're talking about me). I've been a doubter for a while, posted as such, took crap for it, cam back and ate crow, then they lose all these in a row (starting the day I ate crow). Troll or not, as with the previous um-teen years, they seem to be the same old Royals. I hope I'm wrong. I want to take the family to the K and think we have a better than 50/50 chance of winning, and not be happy with buck-night and fireworks. The Royals need to know that 4-game-loss stretches are going to not only hurt their record, but send their bright-eyed fans packing...

[Great Expectations]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/billy-butlers-extension-and-future/

[Reaper16]

Why are so many of you guys really stupid? I can't even click into a gamethread anymore without encountering dozens upon dozens of staggeringly dumb posts.

[Demonpenz]

As the Marlins danced beneath an explosion of lights and fireworks, a heartbroken Kevin Seitzer, wedged alone in the darkest corner of the loser’s dugout, hatched a diabolical plan for World Series victory: to create an entire lineup of Kevin Seitzers. And so it began . . .

— CHAPTER 1 —
– BILLY BUTLER –

[SPchief]

Why are so many of you guys really stupid? I can't even click into a gamethread anymore without encountering dozens upon dozens of staggeringly dumb posts.

They'll be done posting in gamethreads by july

[Al Bundy]

I am always in these threads if I am home. Watching other teams blasting the ball out of the park while we employ the 70's method of slap hitting is frustrating. Bill Butler is the worst of them all.

[alnorth]

I am always in these threads if I am home. Watching other teams blasting the ball out of the park while we employ the 70's method of slap hitting is frustrating. Bill Butler is the worst of them all.

Because, clearly, the Royals didn't want those power hitters. They were available way back when they were 18-19 yrs old, and everyone knew they would turn out to be power hitters, but no, those royals turned down those sure things. (except moustakas, hosmer, and myers, ignore those guys, they inconveniently spoil the "royals dont believe in power" theory)

[Al Bundy]

Because, clearly, the Royals didn't want those power hitters. They were available way back when they were 18-19 yrs old, and everyone knew they would turn out to be power hitters, but no, those royals turned down those sure things. (except moustakas, hosmer, and myers, ignore those guys, they inconveniently spoil the "royals dont believe in power" theory)

All in the minors. I don't believe any of it until they are mashing in the majors, not slap hitting, but hitting 30 home runs.

[Dartgod]

Do your research (if you're talking about me). I've been a doubter for a while, posted as such, took crap for it, cam back and ate crow, then they lose all these in a row (starting the day I ate crow). Troll or not, as with the previous um-teen years, they seem to be the same old Royals. I hope I'm wrong. I want to take the family to the K and think we have a better than 50/50 chance of winning, and not be happy with buck-night and fireworks. The Royals need to know that 4-game-loss stretches are going to not only hurt their record, but send their bright-eyed fans packing...
If you've been posting all along, then was clearly not talking about you.
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