Mariano Rivera

[Otter]

I know there's not a whole lot of Yankees Fan's here and I'm not either (although the David Cone years were cool) but you have to admit Mariano Rivera is just an insane closer. Cool video here describing a little bit on how he works his magic I found pretty cool.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/06/29/magazine/rivera-pitches.html

Sorry, no way to imbed the video from the source.

[MIAdragon]

F that guy.

[kysirsoze]

I know there's not a whole lot of Yankees Fan's here and I'm not either (although the David Cone years were cool) but you have to admit Mariano Rivera was just an insane closer. Cool video here describing a little bit on how he works his magic I found pretty cool.


FYP

Very much not a Yanks fan, but he was pretty amazing to watch. Pretty much game over when he came in.

[gblowfish]

Screw all the Yankees, past present and future.
And I sincerely mean that.

[Otter]

Screw all the Yankees, past present and future.
And I sincerely mean that.

Heh, I know. But this man had some game and thought it was cool to see a little bit on how he did it.

That was my only intent.

[yhf]

I would drink YOUR vomit filtered through MY boxers before I expressed admiration for a fucking yankee.

Dude is damn good though. Wait. Shit.

[Arsonist]

FYP

Very much not a Yanks fan, but he was pretty amazing to watch. Pretty much game over when he came in.

We use to have this :banghead:

[The Bad Guy]

In terms of dominance, he's in the top 10 of arms of all-time.

You take him off the Yankees and they aren't half as dominant as they were.

[kcxiv]

Fuck everything yankee's, but he's the best closer by far to ever play the game. No one can even debate that really. You just cant really.

[milkman]

**** everything yankee's, but he's the best closer by far to ever play the game. No one can even debate that really. You just cant really.

I think you can debate it based on the fact that closers in the past pitched more than one inning.

Would he have been as successful as Goose Gossage if he were go 2 or 3 innings regurlarly as they had to?

If Gossage had to only go a single inning in almost every appearence, he might have been untouchable.

[McWickedson]

F that guy.

GWYP.

Mo is The Man. The pride of Panama.

[Deberg_1990]

I think you can debate it based on the fact that closers in the past pitched more than one inning.

Would he have been as successful as Goose Gossage if he were go 2 or 3 innings regurlarly as they had to?

If Gossage had to only go a single inning in almost every appearence, he might have been untouchable.

This....

I wonder how many times Rivera has gone longer than an inning in his career?

[kcxiv]

I think you can debate it based on the fact that closers in the past pitched more than one inning.

Would he have been as successful as Goose Gossage if he were go 2 or 3 innings regurlarly as they had to?

If Gossage had to only go a single inning in almost every appearence, he might have been untouchable.

maybe, but we wont ever find that out. So i guess you can debate that, but it still didnt happen.

There are alot of good closers and if i couldnt have Rivera i wouldnt be dissapionted in the others that were really damned good.

[milkman]

This....

I wonder how many times Rivera has gone longer than an inning in his career?

In 1001 career appearences, he's pitched 1171 innings, so the number of times he gone more than an inning would be pretty low.

maybe, but we wont ever find that out. So i guess you can debate that, but it still didnt happen.

There are alot of good closers and if i couldnt have Rivera i wouldnt be dissapionted in the others that were really damned good.

Just a fact that I thought should be pointed out.

Another thing that should be noted is that closers back in the day often times came into games in teh 7th or 8th inning with RISP, so they when they were said to have made a save, it actually mean't something.

To me, a guy comes into the game to open the ninth inning with a 3 run lead should not be credited with a save.

I've always felt the rules on that were pretty stupid.

[GloryDayz]

The Yankees can rot in he11... They've had tons of great players over the years, but it doesn't matter since they played for Satan!

[MIAdragon]

This....

I wonder how many times Rivera has gone longer than an inning in his career?

IIRC he's 3rd or so on the all time list. (120ish) The guys nails, I dont see how anyone can argue he's not the best ever. The guy played in the juiced ball/steroid era. But really still F that guy.

[Dylan]

I think you can debate it based on the fact that closers in the past pitched more than one inning.

Would he have been as successful as Goose Gossage if he were go 2 or 3 innings regurlarly as they had to?

If Gossage had to only go a single inning in almost every appearence, he might have been untouchable.


They are two different type pitchers:

Mariano Rivera is a closer. Goose Gossage was a relief pitcher.

Therefore, Gossage would come into the game after the starter. He was used as early as the seventh with runners in scoring position or the game was tied, or a couple of runs down --

Mariano comes into the game to close it out. Usually in the ninth or last inning to preserve the lead and get the save.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riverma01.shtml Mariano Rivera

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gossari01.shtml Goose Gossage

Gossage, who retired with a record of 124-107 and a 3.01 ERA

Mo, who has recorded 575 saves (162 game avg 39 SV), 1,070 strikeouts (162 game avg 72) and has a 2.22 ERA over 17 years.

Mo worked his way through the Yankees farm system and made his debut as a starter. However, when that didn't work out, they decided to use him as a relief pitcher, but I can't remember the year when the Yankees made Mo the closer.

Mo has 5 World Series titles.


Top 20 Pitchers of All Time: I'll leave that up to you.

http://www.baseballpedia.org/top-20-relief-pitchers-of-all-time/


I'm an expert in football and NASCRAP http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

just kidding. ...

[Buck]

There was no such thing as a "closer" when Gossage pitched, but he was the closest thing they had.

Gossage is probably the best relief pitcher of all time, right there with Mo Rivera.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

They are two different type pitchers:

Mariano Rivera is a closer. Goose Gossage was a relief pitcher.

Therefore, Gossage would come into the game after the starter. He was used as early as the seventh with runners in scoring position or the game was tied, or a couple of runs down --

Mariano comes into the game to close it out. Usually in the ninth or last inning to preserve the lead and get the save.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riverma01.shtml Mariano Rivera

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gossari01.shtml Goose Gossage

Gossage, who retired with a record of 124-107 and a 3.01 ERA

Mo, who has recorded 575 saves (162 game avg 39 SV), 1,070 strikeouts (162 game avg 72) and has a 2.22 ERA over 17 years.

Mo worked his way through the Yankees farm system and made his debut as a starter. However, when that didn't work out, they decided to use him as a relief pitcher, but I can't remember the year when the Yankees made Mo the closer.

Mo has 5 World Series titles.


Top 20 Pitchers of All Time: I'll leave that up to you.

http://www.baseballpedia.org/top-20-relief-pitchers-of-all-time/


I'm an expert in football and NASCRAP http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

just kidding. ...

Dylan are you a girl because I don't want to admit that you really turned me on with that if you aren't.

[blaise]

Fuck the Yankees.

[milkman]

They are two different type pitchers:

Mariano Rivera is a closer. Goose Gossage was a relief pitcher.

Therefore, Gossage would come into the game after the starter. He was used as early as the seventh with runners in scoring position or the game was tied, or a couple of runs down --

Mariano comes into the game to close it out. Usually in the ninth or last inning to preserve the lead and get the save.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riverma01.shtml Mariano Rivera

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gossari01.shtml Goose Gossage

Gossage, who retired with a record of 124-107 and a 3.01 ERA

Mo, who has recorded 575 saves (162 game avg 39 SV), 1,070 strikeouts (162 game avg 72) and has a 2.22 ERA over 17 years.

Mo worked his way through the Yankees farm system and made his debut as a starter. However, when that didn't work out, they decided to use him as a relief pitcher, but I can't remember the year when the Yankees made Mo the closer.

Mo has 5 World Series titles.


Top 20 Pitchers of All Time: I'll leave that up to you.

http://www.baseballpedia.org/top-20-relief-pitchers-of-all-time/


I'm an expert in football and NASCRAP http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

just kidding. ...

Buck touched on it, but this closer role didn't exist 12-15 years ago as it does now.

Pitching has become so specialized it has gotten ridiculous.

In today's game, you rarely get a reliver that goes mre than a couple of innings.

Years ago, you'd have a long reliever that would go as many as 5 or 6 innings, and the guys that got saves often came into games in the 7th inning, and rarely did a pitcher just come into the game just to pitch the ninth.

[Dylan]

Buck touched on it, but this closer role didn't exist 12-15 years ago as it does now.

Pitching has become so specialized it has gotten ridiculous.

In today's game, you rarely get a reliver that goes mre than a couple of innings.

Years ago, you'd have a long reliever that would go as many as 5 or 6 innings, and the guys that got saves often came into games in the 7th inning, and rarely did a pitcher just come into the game just to pitch the ninth.

Thanks, milkman & buck... enjoy reading your posts.

[Dylan]

Buck touched on it, but this closer role didn't exist 12-15 years ago as it does now.

Pitching has become so specialized it has gotten ridiculous.

In today's game, you rarely get a reliver that goes mre than a couple of innings.

Years ago, you'd have a long reliever that would go as many as 5 or 6 innings, and the guys that got saves often came into games in the 7th inning, and rarely did a pitcher just come into the game just to pitch the ninth.

I believe the Yankees were thinking about trading Mo for David Wells --

Seems, Mo was having trouble as a relief pitcher -- I could be wrong...

[boogblaster]

best closer period ....