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talastan
05-31-2011, 02:29 PM
Ranking any position is really just an exercise in reviewing past performance and projecting a player's supporting cast for the future.

As in the past, I prefer to group players in sections of five, in alphabetical order, so please don't view the last back in Group B as the 10th-best back. There will also be an arrow up (^), down (v) or flat (>) indicating where I think a player might end up at the end of the 2011 season if he stays healthy and plays 16 games.

Here are the running back groupings in alphabetical order:

GROUP A (1-5)
1. Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (>): Jones-Drew was fifth in rushing while playing in 14 games. He plays with a bull's eye on his back due to the lack of a great passing game in Jacksonville.

2. Arian Foster, Texans (^): A rising star who did it all in his first season as a starter, finishing first in rushing yards and second in runs of more than 10 yards.

3. Chris Johnson, Titans (>): Johnson was fourth in rushing yards, but fell well short of his prediction to have the greatest rushing season ever. Things could get tough when Jake Locker takes the field and defenses focus on the run game.

4. Adrian Peterson, Vikings (>): The best back in the NFL, but he too could be paired with a rookie quarterback, which spells extra defenders near the line of scrimmage.

5. Michael Turner, Falcons (>): A solid workhorse who finished third in rushing and tied for fourth in rushing touchdowns. The Falcons' passing game creates conflicts for defenses and Turner will benefit from a lot of run audibles against two-high safeties. He could have a big year.

GROUP B (6-10)
1. Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (^): Charles needs the ball even more this year. He led the NFL in explosive runs with 45 (carries of 10-plus yards), and his ratio of 10-plus yard runs to carries was off the charts at 1:5. He averaged 6.4 yards per rush last year. :BS:

2. Steven Jackson, Rams (v): A big, workhorse back who gets the tough yardage, he finished second in carries at 330. Jackson really needs the passing game to grow and another back to lighten the load, or he is going to run out of gas.

3. LeSean McCoy, Eagles (^): McCoy led the NFL in receptions (78) among running backs and was fourth in yards from scrimmage. Like Charles, he's on his way to big things.

4. Darren McFadden, Raiders (>): A dual-threat as a runner and receiver. He averaged 5.2 yards per carry and could become a bigger threat in the passing game with Hue Jackson as the coach.

5. Ray Rice, Ravens (>): A workhorse who would benefit from a reduction in the 307 carries he had last season.

GROUP C (11-15)
1. Cedric Benson, Bengals (>): A very productive back since joining the Bengals. He will still give you 18-20 carries and 100 yards.

2. Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (^): Bradshaw is explosive, has more power than many think and is a threat as a receiver. He moved into the feature role last season ahead of Brandon Jacobs and had a ratio of 1:8 in 10-yard runs per attempt. He could be a free agent this year.

3. Matt Forte, Bears (>): Forte gets his 1,000 yards behind a questionable line and scares defenses more as a receiver. Not flashy, but really solid in all phases of the game.

4. Frank Gore, 49ers (v): A very physical runner and no one works harder. Gore scored only three touchdowns in 11 games. He still generates a ratio of 1:10 in 10-plus yard runs.

5. Peyton Hillis, Browns (>): Burst onto the scene last year and wound up on the cover of the "Madden" game. He was third among running backs in receptions and tied for sixth in touchdowns.

5B. DeAngelo Williams, Panthers (>): Injured last year and only played in six games. Williams rushed for 2,632 yards and 25 touchdowns in the last two full seasons he played (2008-09).


Article is continued here....If you care to read anymore...:shake:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8201500c/article/running-the-show-no-surprises-atop-list-of-nfls-best-rbs?module=HP_cp2

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 02:31 PM
I'm still going to need Arian Foster to show he's consistent before I can put him in the top 5.

mnchiefsguy
05-31-2011, 02:32 PM
Charles should have been in the top five no doubt. He is clearly ahead of Michael Turner and is the equal of the other four as well.

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 02:33 PM
I'd put Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson ahead of Charles. That's about it, though.

Easy 6
05-31-2011, 02:36 PM
Ah, who cares what Kirwan & his 70's pron stache thinks... he needs to splash on some more Hai-Karate & head home for the CHIPS season finale.

ModSocks
05-31-2011, 02:52 PM
WTF? Was this list made 2 years ago? MJD Number 1? Are you kidding me? Turner #5?

.....One more to add to my Moran list.

Mr. Laz
05-31-2011, 02:56 PM
depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation


The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

ModSocks
05-31-2011, 02:58 PM
depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation


The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

If you add durability into the equation then you can knock MJD & Turner even further down the list. The wheels are falling off those horses.

Skyy God
05-31-2011, 02:59 PM
Kirwan's way too low on McCoy (4th in yds from scrimmage last year) and Ray Rice. Both are better than the Burner or the remnants of S-Jax.

Fritz88
05-31-2011, 03:01 PM
Kirwan can suck a dick.

Skyy God
05-31-2011, 03:01 PM
depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation

The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

Barely healthy, you say. How many games has he lost to injury?

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 03:05 PM
I would put Frank Gore higher than Kirwan has him.

Pitt Gorilla
05-31-2011, 03:07 PM
It should be noted that he is NOT ranked 6th; he's somewhere between 6 and 10.

Mr. Laz
05-31-2011, 03:08 PM
If you add durability into the equation then you can knock MJD & Turner even further down the list. The wheels are falling off those horses.um ... MJD has missed 3 games in his entire career. He has 300 carries in both of the last 2 seasons.

Since Turner became a starter he has had one significant injury and he missed 5 games in 2009. He had 300+ carries 2009 and 2010.

last year was Charles' 1st year going over 200(w/ 230) carries and every time he hits that shoulder of his everyone holds their breath.


:spock:

maybe you should go back on the crack

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 03:08 PM
It should be noted that he is NOT ranked 6th; he's somewhere between 6 and 10.

I'm pretty sure he's ranked 6th.

Pitt Gorilla
05-31-2011, 03:10 PM
I'm pretty sure he's ranked 6th.Where are you getting that? You aren't necessarily a better back due to alphabetical order.

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 03:10 PM
last year was Charles' 1st year going over 200(w/ 230) carries and every time he hit that shoulder of his everyone was holding their breathe.


This is the same thing as missing games? :spock:

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 03:11 PM
Where are you getting that? You aren't necessarily a better back due to alphabetical order.

He has Charles #1 in the 6-10 bracket.....which would put him at #6.

The Franchise
05-31-2011, 03:13 PM
Nevermind....I just saw the whole alphabetical thing.

Mr. Laz
05-31-2011, 03:15 PM
This is the same thing as missing games? :spock:
why in the hell do you think the Chiefs are limiting his carries?

you think they do it just to piss Chiefs fans off?

durability and fumbling

The chiefs are afraid that if they let Charles carry a full load he'll get hurt. Charles has been dinged several times, they just didn't inactivate him so it showed up as being a missed game.

I think Charles is still wearing that shoulder harness, isn't he ... because it's popped out a few times?

KurtCobain
05-31-2011, 03:18 PM
I don't understand Benson being rated higher than Forte, Gore, and Hillis.

And Jamaal got fucked. He's atleast top 3.

Pitt Gorilla
05-31-2011, 03:31 PM
I don't understand Benson being rated higher than Forte, Gore, and Hillis.He's not.

Deberg_1990
05-31-2011, 03:46 PM
Surprised that Rashard Mendehall isnt on there..

OnTheWarpath15
05-31-2011, 04:12 PM
First, I'm shocked that people can't read.

Second, the only guy anyone should bitch about being in the A group is Foster - one year doesn't make you an elite back, IMO.

And in all fairness, neither does a year and a half. MJD, CJ, AP and The Burner have all played at an elite level for several years. I love me some JC - but to say he's a better back than guys that have proved it, year after year, is a bit much.

And third, who gives a shit where he's "ranked." All we should care about is that he continues to perform at this level for many years to come.

SAUTO
05-31-2011, 04:17 PM
um ... MJD has missed 3 games in his entire career. He has 300 carries in both of the last 2 seasons.

Since Turner became a starter he has had one significant injury and he missed 5 games in 2009. He had 300+ carries 2009 and 2010.

last year was Charles' 1st year going over 200(w/ 230) carries and every time he hits that shoulder of his everyone holds their breath.


:spock:

maybe you should go back on the crack


sorry but i fail to see what that has to do with anything.

did i miss where he said that had to do with his rankings?

milkman
05-31-2011, 05:03 PM
First, I'm shocked that people can't read.

Second, the only guy anyone should bitch about being in the A group is Foster - one year doesn't make you an elite back, IMO.

And in all fairness, neither does a year and a half. MJD, CJ, AP and The Burner have all played at an elite level for several years. I love me some JC - but to say he's a better back than guys that have proved it, year after year, is a bit much.

And third, who gives a shit where he's "ranked." All we should care about is that he continues to perform at this level for many years to come.

That being said (the statemant that a year, nor a year and a half, doesn't make you an elite back), if he's going to put Foster in the top 5, then Charles belongs in that group as well.

But, at the end of the day, I don't give a rat's ass about the rankings.

And please, can someone just put a muzzle on Laz?

Mr. Laz
05-31-2011, 05:24 PM
sorry but i fail to see what that has to do with anything.

did i miss where he said that had to do with his rankings?
<b><blink>depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation</blink></b>

The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthyi brought it up as a possibility about why Charles would be ranked a little lower than his talent level.

SAUTO
05-31-2011, 05:28 PM
i brought it up as a possibility about why Charles would be ranked a little lower than his talent level.

But then you kept talking about it like that was the reason he was in the second five grouping
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-King-
05-31-2011, 06:30 PM
Only ones you can argue are better than JC are AP and Ray Rice. CJ is inconsistent and his YPC are boosted by his long runs. Here are 5 typical runs for him: 5 yards....1 yard...-2 yards....1 yard...70 yards. Jamaal's YPC isn't boosted by any long runs. He's legitimately consistently getting 5-6 ypc.

-King-
05-31-2011, 06:33 PM
i brought it up as a possibility about why Charles would be ranked a little lower than his talent level.

So...the guy who hasn't missed any games due to injury...is ranked lower than the guys who have missed games due to injury...because of durability concerns?


Makes sense...

arrowheadnation
05-31-2011, 08:36 PM
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RealSNR
06-01-2011, 12:27 AM
Jamaal Charles is just beginning to hit his sweet spot. It's quite possible that we have yet to see his best work.

That's just plain frightening.

TinyEvel
06-01-2011, 01:02 AM
Kirwan can suck a dick.

Not so much any more. I'd put him #6 on my "Best Dick Suckers" list.

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Ugly Duck
06-01-2011, 02:16 AM
why in the hell do you think the Chiefs are limiting his carries?

you think they do it just to piss Chiefs fans off?



Thats what I was wondering.... are the Chiefs coaches stupid, or do they have a valid reason for limiting his carries? McFadden can't hack it either - hasn't put in a full season yet.