Royals Vs Blue Jays gamethread 6/8

[SPchief]

Duffy on the mound tonight

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Butler homers 3 times tonight and the Royals lose 4-3. I know thats highly unlikely but if it happens I'll get the kind of respect Teedubya gets.

[Bowser]

I have a feeling about this game. More likely I just have to poop.

[stonedstooge]

I don't know if Butler could even make it around the bases three times. That's a lot of walkin for the big fella

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I don't know if Butler could even make it around the bases three times. That's a lot of walkin for the big fella

KEEP FUCKING DOUBTING BILLY!

[DeezNutz]

Duffy on the mound, not Paulina (until he definitively proves he doesn't suck), who pitched two nights ago.

[stonedstooge]

KEEP ****ING DOUBTING BILLY!

You an Evilas fan too?

[kstater]

Duffy on the mound, not Paulina (until he definitively proves he doesn't suck), who pitched two nights ago.

I think Paulino every 3 days is a much better alternative than trotting SOS and Mazzaro out there those two nights.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

You an Evilas fan too?

I'm a Royals fan. Which isn't to say I refuse to see a players shortcomings. Aviles has a few shortcomings.

[SPchief]

Duffy on the mound, not Paulina (until he definitively proves he doesn't suck), who pitched two nights ago.

Doh, and atleast aulino is better than SOS

[stonedstooge]

I'm a Royals fan. Which isn't to say I refuse to see a players shortcomings. Aviles has a few shortcomings.

LMAO

[KurtCobain]

Go and get your money little Duffy Bag Boy.

[SPchief]

Lets see if we can get Duffy his first win

[stonedstooge]

Need some timely hitting for Duffy tonight

[KurtCobain]

Duffy throws a scoreless game.

And Hosmer hits a lonely homer for a 1-0 win.

Then we say, Damn!

[stonedstooge]

Duffy throws a scoreless game.

And Hosmer hits a lonely homer for a 1-0 win.

Then we say, Damn!

That'll work

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Need some timely hitting for Duffy tonight

Is hitting ever untimely? Damn it that guy homered and we didn't even need it!

:p

[DeezNutz]

I think Paulino every 3 days is a much better alternative than trotting SOS and Mazzaro out there those two nights.

The few times I've heard Mazzaro talk, I haven't liked his attitude at all. Dude is pretty cock-sure for someone who sucks that much ass.

[KurtCobain]

If yall wanna win you'd better let me pitch
im throwing change ups all day like im nuttin on this bitch
now go and get cha blood little duffie bag boy
say go and get cha innings little duffie bag boy

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

The few times I've heard Mazzaro talk, I haven't liked his attitude at all. Dude is pretty cock-sure for someone who sucks that much ass.

Thats the second time today someone has used the word cock-sure on here. The planet is ON today!

[stonedstooge]

Is hitting ever untimely? Damn it that guy homered and we didn't even need it!

:p

Billy has done a lot of untimely hitting. Man he can sure whack that ball with noone on base, but if there are runners on, we get the ground out DP or a flyout

[Jenson71]

So . . . Megan Wellborne.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Billy has done a lot of untimely hitting. Man he can sure whack that ball with noone on base, but if there are runners on, we get the ground out DP or a flyout

You mean like his game winning homer last week with Francour on and we won by 1?

Heh. I get your point and I was just playing with the whole "timely" thing.

[stonedstooge]

You mean like his game winning homer last week with Francour on and we won by 1?

Heh. I get your point and I was just playing with the whole "timely" thing.

I hope Billy comes out of it. Nothing I would rather see. Just don't like the attitude he shows and the lack of hustle

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I hope Billy comes out of it. Nothing I would rather see. Just don't like the attitude he shows and the lack of hustle

Billys a bit of an enigma. He's pouts sometimes and looks like he's not trying sometimes... but he's still hitting over .300 and has the second highest average on the team (last time I looked). I think he's maybe just tired of losing. That said as a team leader it's his job to help stop that and a better attitude would be nice to see.

[stonedstooge]

Billys a bit of an enigma. He's pouts sometimes and looks like he's not trying sometimes... but he's still hitting over .300 and has the second highest average on the team (last time I looked). I think he's maybe just tired of losing. That said as a team leader it's his job to help stop that and a better attitude would be nice to see.

Amen brother, amen

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Billys a bit of an enigma. He's pouts sometimes and looks like he's not trying sometimes... but he's still hitting over .300 and has the second highest average on the team (last time I looked). I think he's maybe just tired of losing. That said as a team leader it's his job to help stop that and a better attitude would be nice to see.

Upon further inspection Billy is now hitting an even .300 but thats currently the best on the team.

[stonedstooge]

Betemit is above that isn't he? Although he may not have the minimum number of bats

[Jenson71]

Dang!

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Upon further inspection Billy is now hitting an even .300 but thats currently the best on the team.

Hosmer's at .310 according to Baseball Reference

[SPchief]

Nice pitch

[gblowfish]

Francouer is going to teach us how to let a ball fall between him and Melkey....
I'd rather have his wife teach me stuff....

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Would you?


Omaha would

[stonedstooge]

Frenchy's old lady is hot

[Jenson71]

So . . . Cati Franceour

[Sure-Oz]

How about auction an hour with frenchys wifey

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Betemit is above that isn't he? Although he may not have the minimum number of bats

Betemit was ahead until recently. According to kcroyals.com its...

Butler .300
Betemit .297
Gordon .280

[Jenson71]

So . . . Megan Wellborne.

So . . . Cati Franceour

Best Royals game ever.

Also, she said ball.

[SPchief]

She may sound dumb, but I think Frenchy's wife could probably teach some people how to use their mouths

[stonedstooge]

How about auction an hour with frenchys wifey

She don't act too smart either. Another plus

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Hosmer's at .310 according to Baseball Reference

But without the # of at bats

[Sure-Oz]

She don't act too smart either. Another plus

No wonder frenchys always in a good mood

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

But without the # of at bats

Ryan just confirmed it

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Way to work the pitcher boys

[keg in kc]

What's he doing swinging at that?!? Bust! Bust! Send him down!

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Ryan just confirmed it

Thats great. www.kcroyals.com half way down the front page lists team leaders and has Butler at .300 as the team leader.... because Hosmer doesn't have the number of at bats to "officially" qualify.

Go Hosmer! Go Billy!

Or maybe you were saying Ryan confirmed Butler and now I look like an ass.....

[KurtCobain]

I just want to root for a winning ball club.

[Sure-Oz]

Show more royals wives

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I just want to root for a winning ball club.

From your post to God's ears brother.

That said there is room on the Indians bandwagon I bet.

Ouch. It even hurt to type it.

[Sure-Oz]

Frank is silly

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Thats great. www.kcroyals.com half way down the front page lists team leaders and has Butler at .300 as the team leader.... because Hosmer doesn't have the number of at bats to "officially" qualify.

Go Hosmer! Go Billy!

Or maybe you were saying Ryan confirmed Butler and now I look like an ass.....


Okay, I get it now, not enough at at bats to qualify

I'm and idiot

[SPchief]

There we go

[Jenson71]

Hell yeah

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Okay, I get it now, not enough at at bats to qualify

I'm and idiot

I'm just glad its you because I was afraid I couldn't read and it was me.

:thumb:

[Jenson71]

Let's play ball with Cati Franceour?

[Sure-Oz]

Billy hit it farther/danny clinkskale

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Warning track power...

[Bowser]

Good to see Billy can still muscle up and crush one to the warning track.

[Jenson71]

Fucking hell

[Sure-Oz]

George looks buzzed LMAO

[petegz28]

Typical Royals

[SPchief]

Come on Duffy, quit fucking around when you get 2 outs

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Dammit

[Mr. Laz]

Duffy :facepalm:

[Sure-Oz]

Duffy sucks!!! call up suppan!111111111111

[Mr. Laz]

Good to see Billy can still muscle up and crush one to the warning track.
ROFL

it's really is the natural limit to his power, isn't it. I mean occasionally he will catch the wind or something but he is the warning track king.

He might as well forget swinging for the fences altogether and just focus of driving the gaps.

[stonedstooge]

2 strikes and grooves a curveball. Damnit

[SPchief]

Got to mix it up Duffy

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv277/eli_ofenstein/Humor/JesusFacepalm.jpg

[SPATCH]

I just want to root for a winning ball club.

idk... I have this weird, masochistic satisfaction in following a team that is a hopeless loser.

I just cling on to this idea that one day the Chiefs/Royals will win the whole thing and it is going to cause an intense joy that would not occur if I were a supporter of a perennially successful team

It's a strange form of Stockholm Syndrome

[Bowser]

Watching the Royals play reminds me of my golf game - I can either crush off the tee and play the middle game really good, or I can chip and putt really good, but never both on the same day.

[SPchief]

There you go

[Bowser]

idk... I have this weird, masochistic satisfaction in following a team that is a hopeless loser.

I just cling on to this idea that one day the Chiefs/Royals will win the whole thing and it is going to cause an intense joy that would not occur if I were a supporter of a perennially successful team

It's a strange form of Stockholm Syndrome

But what will happen to you if and when that day comes?

[Sure-Oz]

Royals profiting off will ferrell

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

idk... I have this weird, masochistic satisfaction in following a team that is a hopeless loser.



In that case the Royals have nothing on the Cubs.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

How can we fuck this up?

Let us count the ways...

[SPchief]

Escobar!

[stonedstooge]

Now we need some timely hitting

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Dominate?

[Al Bundy]

Time to dominate.

[SPchief]

Come on Melky

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Not dominating, but it'll work

[stonedstooge]

FINALLY. Way to go Melky

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

FUCKING MILKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[petegz28]

nice jack, Melky!

[Al Bundy]

Hey Belly... that's how you hit a home run.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

MELLLLLK!

[Bowser]

Crushzilla!!

[SPchief]

I wonder how Duffy is going to react to actually having a lead for once

[stonedstooge]

Infomercial night with the Royals package "deals"

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

I wonder how Duffy is going to react to actually having a lead for once


Not good...

[SPchief]

Settle down Duffy

[SPchief]

LMAO

[SPchief]

Squeezed

[SPchief]

:banghead:

[stonedstooge]

AND Duffy gives the lead back

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Well fuck me

[Al Bundy]

Great job Danny Duffy...

[GoHuge]

JFC Duddy

:facepalm:

[SPchief]

Damn

[SPATCH]

But what will happen to you if and when that day comes?

That's actually a really fucking good question...

In that case the Royals have nothing on the Cubs.

I was born in 1987 soooooo.. My Royals memories are... well, you know

[stonedstooge]

This auction business only runs tonight doesn't it?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Son-of-a-window dresser...... I step away for 15 minutes...

Duffy maybe isn't ready...

[Arsonist]

Frenchy's wife is hot is she up for auction?

[stonedstooge]

Frenchy's wife is hot is she up for auction?

Billy's old lady is

[Arsonist]

Billy's old lady is

Pass who knows what kind of baked goods belly has eaten off of her

[stonedstooge]

Pass who knows what kind of baked goods belly has eaten off of her

Double quarter pounder super sized meal might get you in

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

That's actually a really ****ing good question...



I was born in 1987 soooooo.. My Royals memories are... well, you know

Understand... as bad as it seems just imagine 103 years of it = Cubs

[SPATCH]

Understand... as bad as it seems just imagine 103 years of it = Cubs

I know what you're saying, believe me...

My point is that they've been to the playoffs during my lifetime

[stonedstooge]

GDDAMMINT

[chefsos]

Ho Lee Shit

[SPchief]

Anything but that would have worked

[Sure-Oz]

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[petegz28]

what a fucking joke this team has become

[petegz28]

It's so stupid but rather fitting how they play that stupid Garth Brooks song every game

[petegz28]

Dayton Moore said we were going to be all about pitching and defense.....we have the worst fucking pitching staff in the league

[Al Bundy]

2 out walks and guys who don't want to be in major leagues are killing this team.

[Sure-Oz]

Frenchy DOUBLE!!

[SPchief]

Need to string some hits together

[stonedstooge]

Auction shit jinxed the Royals tonight

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

It's so stupid but rather fitting how they play that stupid Garth Brooks song every game

I actually think that could be the whole problem with this team. Put some Alice In Chains "Check My Brain" on instead and dedicate it to any bad moves the Royals make and rock out.

[Sure-Oz]

Surprised that butler isn't giving base running lessons for auction

[Al Bundy]

Fuck you Joel Goldberg, Belly does not have bad luck hitting. The guy is an average hitter.

[Mr. Laz]

Dayton Moore said we were going to be all about pitching and defense.....we have the worst ****ing pitching staff in the league
well to be fair Meche/Greinke screwed us in that dept quite a bit.

we have to rebuild the starting pitching now

[Al Bundy]

Man.. this is a 110 loss team.

[DeezNutz]

I keep waiting to hear that Moose's contract has been purchased from AAA Omaha.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Man.. this is a 110 loss team.

No way. They would have to go 26-75 the rest of the way to lose 110 games.

[stonedstooge]

I thought people were broke? Auction bids prove that some people have more money than friggin sense

[Sure-Oz]

I thought people were broke? Auction bids prove that some people have more money than friggin sense

Who wouldn't want to get drunk with george for 9000?

Auction some royals wives and watch the #'s rise

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I'm about as die-hard as you can be as a fan and this pitching staff is really starting to test me. Who knew we'd ever miss Chen so much.

[milkman]

What the hell happened?

[stonedstooge]

What the hell happened?

Royals Fever Catch It!!!

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

What the hell happened?

Duffy hates leads and Adcock loves the long ball..... with the bases loaded.

[Al Bundy]

What the hell happened?

Pittsburgh Pirates reject.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Royals Fever Catch It!!!

Major League Moments. For the Blue Jays.

[stonedstooge]

Major League Moments. For the Blue Jays.

LMAO

[Arsonist]

Personally I'm at the point were I just want them to call up moose montgomery and all them and let them get some time in.

[milkman]

Personally I'm at the point were I just want them to call up moose montgomery and all them and let them get some time in.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they can't lose any more than these guys.

[Bowser]

What is this shit? I leave to go to 54th Street to get some dinner to go, have a nice, tall Goose Island Summer Brew while I'm there, get back, and find that 4-2 has changed to a 9-4 defecit. Unacceptable.

[Al Bundy]

No way. They would have to go 26-75 the rest of the way to lose 110 games.

This team is capable of finishing 40+ games under .500 the rest of the year. I'm not seeing any fight in the pitching staff.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Personally I'm at the point were I just want them to call up moose montgomery and all them and let them get some time in.

I shouldn't have to worry about things like this because he's a pro and therefor shouldn't have problems with motivation.... but I just hope guys like Hosmer don't get bittered by losing and give in to it. He's young and hopefully resiliant.

[SPchief]

What the hell happened?

Duffy apparently doesn't like to pitch with a lead and Adcock decided to pitch up and in with the bases loaded

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

What is this shit? I leave to go to 54th Street to get some dinner to go, have a nice, tall Goose Island Summer Brew while I'm there, get back, and find that 4-2 has changed to a 9-4 defecit. Unacceptable.

Royals Baseball... pitching is over-rated.

[SPchief]

But the good news is that there is some serious money for charity being raised tonight

[Bowser]

But the good news is that there is some serious money for charity being raised tonight

Looks like it. Wonder how much the wives lingerie party will raise later on....

[petegz28]

If they are thinking of bringing anyone up this year then now is the time. As Lasorda said, let them come up and play and become good ball players.

[milkman]

But the good news is that there is some serious money for charity being raised tonight

Hope one of those charities is Royal pitchers.

[SPchief]

Looks like it. Wonder how much the wives lingerie party will raise later on....

Just a guess, but between the the tickets they sold and and the packages they're up to almost 75k in so far

[SPchief]

Come on billay

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Just a guess, but between the the tickets they sold and and the packages they're up to almost 75k in so far

Will the money go towards Bubba Starlings signing bonus?

[stonedstooge]

Run Belly Run

[SPchief]

There's some power from the slap hitter

[Bowser]

BILLY PUT HIS WEIGHT BEHIND THAT ONE

[DeezNutz]

Slapped it out.

[Bowser]

It's a new drinking game. I do a shot everytime the Royals smash a three run home run. I haven't been this drunk in years.

[SPchief]

Slapped it out.

heh

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

On page 1 I predicted Billy would hit 3 out tonight. I only missed by 2. Ok I got nothin.

[Bowser]

So is it like bowling in that you get a turkey for striking out three times in a game?

[SPchief]

Holland looked good

[stonedstooge]

Another comeback?

[SPchief]

You have to PH Escobar right?

[SPchief]

nope

[SPchief]

24k to drink with George Brett for an inning

[SPchief]

Jesus, you gotta swing at that, but that's been a ball all game

[stonedstooge]

24k to drink with George Brett for an inning

Did someone on CP put that bid in so they could invite all of us to go with them/

[SPchief]

Come on Melky

[chefsos]

This is getting interesting.

[milkman]

You just know that this is as far as it goes, don't ya?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Don't tease me Royals

[SPchief]

damn

[stonedstooge]

All most

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Don't tease me Royals

They did

[Bowser]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_72jSAvZL5y4/TIIKm473DYI/AAAAAAAABdI/affGwO6jBPo/s1600/son_derp.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Dammit, man!

[BigMeatballDave]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_72jSAvZL5y4/TIIKm473DYI/AAAAAAAABdI/affGwO6jBPo/s1600/son_derp.jpgLMAO

[Demonpenz]

This is the time of the year where I ususally get several warnings, no kids around, not many people, and I bring a shitload of stats and just start ragging on players. YEAH I CALLED YOU A JERK CRAIG MONROE WATCHA GOIN TO DO BOUT IT!

[SPchief]

Good news: almost 85k raised tonight

Bad news: Yost is starting to look dumb with his moves. Ie: not pinch hitting for Escobar in the 9th

[milkman]

Good news: almost 85k raised tonight

Bad news: Yost is starting to look dumb with his moves. Ie: not pinch hitting for Escobar in the 9th

Who do the Royals have at short behind Escobar?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

You just know that this is as far as it goes, don't ya?

damn you soothsayer. damn you all to hell with your been-there-done-that logic. DAMN YOU I SAY! (shakes fist in the air in an angry fashion)

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Who do the Royals have at short behind Escobar?

Christian Colon. But I know you're kidding.

[milkman]

Christian Colon. But I know you're kidding.

I'm talking about on the roster right now who would come into the game and fill in if the Royals PH for Mendoz....uh....Escobar?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I'm talking about on the roster right now who would come into the game and fill in if the Royals PH for Mendoz....uh....Escobar?

Aviles?

[SPchief]

Who do the Royals have at short behind Escobar?

At that point it doesn't matter, you put Aviles in to swing and slide getz over if it gets to that. IMO you have to put someone up to hit for him

[keg in kc]

Aviles, who's crushing the ball with his .217 average.

[SPchief]

Aviles, who's crushing the ball with his .217 average.

It's better than Escobar right now, you have to do something

[alnorth]

Bad news: Yost is starting to look dumb with his moves. Ie: not pinch hitting for Escobar in the 9th

Its not dumb at all, considering that the main, primary point of this year is not necessarily to win meaningless games.

Escobar's glove carried him up before his bat was ready. I want him batting every single time. He's not going to get better any quicker if you sub him out late all the time.

If he's not better in a year when we can actually compete, fine, sub him out then. This year, it doesn't matter at all if we win or lose a particular game, so he should be getting reps.

Aside from that, our bench sucks anyway, so who cares. What do we get, another 5% chance of a hit? Big whoop. We lose defense and an opportunity for him to learn.

To put it another way: For every 20 games you sub him out late, once you will see one stupid lousy, possibly ultimately meaningless in that game, hit out of our pathetic bench where Escobar would have made out.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Its not dumb at all, considering that the main, primary point of this year is not necessarily to win meaningless games.

Escobar's glove carried him up before his bat was ready. I want him batting every single time. He's not going to get better any quicker if you sub him out late all the time.

If he's not better in a year when we can actually compete, fine, sub him out then. This year, it doesn't matter at all if we win or lose a particular game, so he should be getting reps.

Aside from that, our bench sucks anyway, so who cares. What do we get, another 5% chance of a hit? Big whoop. We lose defense and an opportunity for him to learn.

To put it another way: For every 20 games you sub him out late, once you will see one stupid lousy, possibly ultimately meaningless in that game, hit out of our pathetic bench where Escobar would have made out.

alnorth saying what I was thinking but saying it better again. And damn you for not doing game threads lately.

[SPchief]

Its not dumb at all, considering that the main, primary point of this year is not necessarily to win meaningless games.

Escobar's glove carried him up before his bat was ready. I want him batting every single time. He's not going to get better any quicker if you sub him out late all the time.

If he's not better in a year when we can actually compete, fine, sub him out then. This year, it doesn't matter at all if we win or lose a particular game, so he should be getting reps.

Aside from that, our bench sucks anyway, so who cares. What do we get, another 5% chance of a hit? Big whoop. We lose defense and an opportunity for him to learn.

To put it another way: For every 20 games you sub him out late, once you will see one stupid lousy, possibly ultimately meaningless in that game, hit out of our pathetic bench where Escobar would have made out.

Agree to disagree. his defense WONT be there unless we score. I know we're looking towards next year but at some point you do have to play for now to get the winning bug in their heads

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Agree to disagree. his defense WONT be there unless we score. I know we're looking towards next year but at some point you do have to play for now to get the winning bug in their heads

How will his defense not be there unless we score? Serious question.

And we scored 8. If if weren't for pitching that usually wins.

[SPchief]

How will his defense not be there unless we score? Serious question.

And we scored 8. If if weren't for pitching that usually wins.

If we score then it's a tie game and odds are that his defense is a wash to him hitting. PH is the right thing to do in this game to try and turn a bad streak around. I'm not disagreeing with the pitching aspect as we knew it would be bad, but at some point Yost has to go "hey we need to win this game"

[alnorth]

Agree to disagree. his defense WONT be there unless we score. I know we're looking towards next year but at some point you do have to play for now to get the winning bug in their heads

We've already seen one game that we may have lost had we subbed him out when it seemed to make sense, because his defense saved our lead late.

As for this "the players need to learn to win" voodoo witchcraft, thats about as proven and valid as phrenology. When you have talented players, they are going to win. They may need luck and a good manager to win a pennant, but sufficient talent alone will carry you to a winning record.

Escobar has to hit better than he is now, or his value is limited to us. He wont hit better any quicker if you keep yanking him out of games that don't mean jack-s***.

I believe he has to be at least a .250 hitter with a mid-600 OPS to be a good shortstop when we are ready to compete, and I believe he is less likely to get there if he's not batting all the damned time now when it means nothing. We need to suffer through lousy at-bats now if we want to see him help us in 2013. That, or just keep benching him late and pray he'll figure it out in limited action, or just go buy a shortstop because Colon wont be it.

[alnorth]

If we score then it's a tie game and odds are that his defense is a wash to him hitting. PH is the right thing to do in this game to try and turn a bad streak around. I'm not disagreeing with the pitching aspect as we knew it would be bad, but at some point Yost has to go "hey we need to win this game"

Given our lack of options at short, combined with our crap bench, I just dont see a compelling case for this argument.

That, aside from the fact that this season is basically extended spring training so the "hey we need to win this game" argument doesn't fly in the first place.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

If we score then it's a tie game and odds are that his defense is a wash to him hitting. PH is the right thing to do in this game to try and turn a bad streak around. I'm not disagreeing with the pitching aspect as we knew it would be bad, but at some point Yost has to go "hey we need to win this game"

OK... don't completely disagree with you. But I still bat Escobar because we don't have a bench and Escobar is going to be the ss long term so he has to learn how to hit in clutch situations and this year is the year to do it. He's come through before in the situation although not a ton... but I personally think it's more important for him to get at bats under pressure than to pinch hit for him late in a year when we aren't supposed to win anyway.

I completely understand the feeling of needing a win but I think in the long run we have to take our lumps while the kids learn how to perform... or prove that they can't.

Yost is supremely patient if nothing else. He knows we aren't a playoff team this year but he has his eyes on the next few. If we can get these guys some experience it will help later and take the criticism now. I don't know that he has much choice but I think he's doing it right overall.

[black angus]

:harumph:"you play to win the game"
Yost should have pinch hit for Escobar.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

:harumph:"you play to win the game"
Yost should have pinch hit for Escobar.

This isn't football but thanks Herm. The Royals aren't winning this year and I'll take shortening the learning curve for the kids now over winning a few games that won't matter when we finish 4th.

[Al Bundy]

I consider Escobar an automatic out. I am impressed with his glove but he has only gotten worse at the plate. I hope no on expects him to get much above a 220 hitter with around a 340 OBP. Eventually you will need to pinch hit for him in the 9th inning when you want to start winning.

[DeezNutz]

Repeatedly failing, and failing, and failing, and failing, will not be great for Escobar's confidence from a mental standpoint either, though.

White said in a broadcast recently that, when he was a rookie, he was glad that Herzog sometimes pinch hit for him at the end of games.

Taking Escobar out in crucial situations at the end of games doesn't mean that he won't be playing 95% of the time (if not more).

[ChiTown]

This isn't football but thanks Herm. The Royals aren't winning this year and I'll take shortening the learning curve for the kids now over winning a few games that won't matter when we finish 4th.

Actually, what it ends up doing is ruining the kids confidence by continually putting him in situations where he is weak and will ultimately fail. It was stupid before and it was really fucking stupid last night.

He is in there for his D, not his bat. You pinch hit for Alicides (Mendoza) Escobar. Period.

[sedated]

Bitching about Escobar hitting late in games this season is like bitching about Casey Printers playing in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.

[ChiTown]

Bitching about Escobar hitting late in games this season is like bitching about Casey Printers playing in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.

How so?

[gblowfish]

How dare you question the great and powerful Ned?

[sedated]

How so?

As alnorth said, 2011 means nothing. If the plan is to compete in 2012-2015, then we need to find out everything we can about these guys, and get the young pups some experience. Its essentially a preseason season.

The Royals know that too. Hence the Mazzaro, Paulino, O'Sullivan, Adcock starting experiments. Throw 'em out there and see what they got.

Escobar will need to hit to be as big a part of the future as everyone hoped. Leaving him in the game 1) gets him experience 2) gives the team a nice, long look at what he can be. If he doesn't hit all of this year, they have to seriously consider another option/backup plan.

I’m surprised to see so many KC fans take the “win now” approach, considering it was the exact opposite viewpoint a couple years ago with the Brodie Croyle/Damon Huard thing ("throw him in there, see what we got").

[ChiTown]

As alnorth said, 2011 means nothing. If the plan is to compete in 2012-2015, then we need to find out everything we can about these guys, and get the young pups some experience. Its essentially a preseason season.

The Royals know that too. Hence the Mazzaro, Paulino, O'Sullivan, Adcock starting experiments. Throw 'em out there and see what they got.

Escobar will need to hit to be as big a part of the future as everyone hoped. Leaving him in the game 1) gets him experience 2) gives the team a nice, long look at what he can be. If he doesn't hit all of this year, they have to seriously consider another option/backup plan.

I’m surprised to see so many KC fans take the “win now” approach, considering it was the exact opposite viewpoint a couple years ago with the Brodie Croyle/Damon Huard thing ("throw him in there, see what we got").

Seriously, this has nothing to do with "win now". That said, when you have the "opportunity to win" sitting on your front porch, you don't tell it to F off. There's a big difference, but I think you know that.

[gblowfish]

Ned is almost as hard headed as Hillman. Almost.

[DeezNutz]

For me, it's not about "win now." I'm only thinking about the best approach to developing players.

[ChiTown]

For me, it's not about "win now." I'm only thinking about the best approach to developing players.

Agree.

Also, you don't develop players by propagating a losing mentality - which this organization has been about for the better part of 25 years.

[DeezNutz]

Agree.

Also, you don't develop players by propagating a losing mentality - which this organization has been about for the better part of 25 years.

Yeah, it's a weird deal. While talent should naturally produce more wins, it's never OK to accept losing in the short-term. Of course the losses will come, but it always has to be seen as unacceptable to create the correct mindset.

I'm not sure if we're doing the last part.

[jbwm89]

Yeah, it's a weird deal. While talent should naturally produce more wins, it's never OK to accept losing in the short-term. Of course the losses will come, but it always has to be seen as unacceptable to create the correct mindset.

I'm not sure if we're doing the last part.

Let's keep in mind that Escobar did square the ball up well last at bat and lined out to center, and that the called third strike was outside.

You have to try and win now, but I understand giving the guy a chance to hit with the game on the line.

I'm not upset Yost didn't pinch hit, but I understand why you would in that situation.

[DeezNutz]

Let's keep in mind that Escobar did square the ball up well last at bat and lined out to center, and that the called third strike was outside.

You have to try and win now, but I understand giving the guy a chance to hit with the game on the line.

I'm not upset Yost didn't pinch hit, but I understand why you would in that situation.

I'm not upset about last night or any game up to this point. I'm primarily thinking about the approach for the rest of the year and don't think it's wise to continually allow Escobar to fail. Additionally, the "well, shoot!" attitude after every loss is starting to wear on me just a bit.

[KCUnited]

Tip of the cap to the Royals PR for college night on a hot, sweaty night. If you're going to field shit, may as well encourage glistening college girls to come out. Watched that monstrosity hard as a $1 bag of $.05 jawbreakers.

[gblowfish]

Every time I've suggested winning is way down the list on the Royals "to do's" I've gotten a cyber beat down around here. So my advice would be:

1) If you can't stand losing, walk away for three years. Peek back into the Royals doorway in 2014, and see what's happening.

2) Don't expect any success. Be mildly pleased when they do anything BUT lose.

3) Don't go to the ballpark to watch baseball. Go there to drink, go there to girl watch, go there to take your kiddes on the merry go round. If you start paying attention to the baseball, you'll just get bummed out. Kauffman is a shrine to shiny objects for a good reason...they need to turn the fans into a bunch of irish setters with no attention span.

4) Forget about winning "culture." Ain't happening here. Not for a long, long, time.

They've been telling us for years "Just be happy we have major league baseball in a small market." I fought that for years. Now I get it. They really mean it.

Next year the tag line will be "At least we get the All-Star Game." So you can stop caring in mid-July. Then start paying a bit more attention in 2013.

Just reality, man. Just reality.

[Chris Meck]

If Escobar hits anything at all it's a bonus.

[gblowfish]

The Oakland Athletics fired manager Bob Geren on Thursday in the midst of a nine-game losing streak that has sent them tumbling to the bottom of the AL West standings. Former Arizona manager Bob Melvin will take over for the rest of the season as interim manager in the first midseason managerial change for the organization in a quarter century.

A's are 27-36.
KC is 26-36.

Go Ned Go!

[ChiTown]

If Escobar hits anything at all it's a bonus.

Well, yeah.

However, that doesn't mean you bat him in the bottom of the 9th, down 2 with a runner on first. He doesn't get a chance to field, if we don't score in that situation - which we obviously didn't score enough.

He's batting .194 against right handed pitchers. ONE-NINER-FOUR. All the while, Mitch Maier, who is hitting .353 against righties, sits his ass on the bench.

Until we really get serious about winning, and instilling an attitude of winning (from management down), how does this do Escobar, or anyone in our Organization for that matter, any good at all? :banghead:

[jbwm89]

The Oakland Athletics fired manager Bob Geren on Thursday in the midst of a nine-game losing streak that has sent them tumbling to the bottom of the AL West standings. Former Arizona manager Bob Melvin will take over for the rest of the season as interim manager in the first midseason managerial change for the organization in a quarter century.

A's are 27-36.
KC is 26-36.

Go Ned Go!

The A's pitching staff is pretty solid. They should not be this bad.

[gblowfish]

The A's pitching staff is pretty solid. They should not be this bad.

I guess winning and losing actually matters to some MLB teams.

Sorry.....trying to control my bitterness LMAO

[DeezNutz]

The A's pitching staff is pretty solid. They should not be this bad.

You saying we should fire Dayton Moore? ;)

[Mr. Laz]

Every time I've suggested winning is way down the list on the Royals "to do's" I've gotten a cyber beat down around here. So my advice would be:

1) If you can't stand losing, walk away for three years. Peek back into the Royals doorway in 2014, and see what's happening.
we've been told this "we aren't in winning mode ... just wait" for 20 gawd dam years. :cuss:

[jbwm89]

we've been told this "we aren't in winning mode ... just wait" for 20 gawd dam years. :cuss:

I know its frustrating. I just don't see another "path" or "plan" to getting back to being a winning franchise besides the one we are trying to take. It is easy to criticize DM and the process and for good reason because of what we have endured. When it comes back to it though what is a better strategy?

[Demonpenz]

we are going to do the KC flip flop now. Where the manager says how he needs to stick with "His guys" during the clutch etc, then the fans and media bitch enough, and then he pulls the dude for a pinch hitter so have a lose/lose situation where the guy loses confidence and we aleady lost the game in the past.

[gblowfish]

we've been told this "we aren't in winning mode ... just wait" for 20 gawd dam years. :cuss:

Preachin' to the choir, dude.
Royals saying " Just three more years, honest" = "I'll pull out early, honest."

[gblowfish]

BTW: You guys know we've got a game going on right now....right?
No thread for Thursday? You're all too fed up to follow today's game? With the wind blowing out at 40mph to left, this might be home run derby today.

[DeezNutz]

"The Process" looked all but dead when most of our top position-playing prospects were shitting themselves in '09. Fast forward to '10 and a hot hitting Moose and vision-corrected Hosmer cured a lot of woes.

I think some of the skepticism right now is due to the fact that two of our top pitching prospects (Mont. and Lamb) have been ineffective and hurt, in that order. And Duffy doesn't have a win and (more importantly) shows command problems.

All the while, the ML rotation is an embarrassment. In short, we need a pitching rebound in '12. Desperately.

Oh, and here's one more nugget. Moore was on with Soren earlier, claiming that our payroll could be 80-85 million if we were to draw 2.5 million fans. Sweet. Oh, Oh, and we'll never be able to sign top FA prospects. No bullshit.

That has to give everyone the warm fuzzies.

[Bowser]

Oh, and here's one more nugget. Moore was on with Soren earlier, claiming that our payroll could be 80-85 million if we were to draw 2.5 million fans. Sweet. Oh, Oh, and we'll never be able to sign top FA prospects. No bullshit.

That has to give everyone the warm fuzzies.

:facepalm:

[gblowfish]

Here's another tidbit.

After this home stand, the schedule flips, where of the remaining games, 60% are on the road.

How many road games have we won this year?

Six.

Six.

Yes, I said Six.

So things are gearing up to get much, much worse.

20 games out by the all star break worse.

[DeezNutz]

:facepalm:

The money quotation is when he alluded to Bubba Starling. Moore essentially said that if Starling develops into a star, it will be incredibly difficult to keep this type of player in KC.

I'm going to listen to the podcast later, and I'll write down the exact quotation.

To be honest, Moore's comment pissed me off. In some ways, then, what's the fucking point?

[Bowser]

The money quotation is when he alluded to Bubba Starling. Moore essentially said that if Starling develops into a star, it will be incredibly difficult to keep this type of player in KC.

I'm going to listen to the podcast later, and I'll write down the exact quotation.

To be honest, Moore's comment pissed me off. In some ways, then, what's the fucking point?

No shit.

This is not on Dayton Moore, in my humble opinion. David Glass needs to sell this team asap, as he's proven that he's not in it to win it. Seriously, JFC. Let Mark Cuban own the team, at least that way there'd be no way our owner would skimp on salaries and allow his team to become a AAAA team for the rest of the bigs. Fuck me.

[gblowfish]

The point is, after Starling learns to play baseball in KC, we'll trade him the year before he goes FA to get three mediocre prospects to "feed the minor league system."

Just be happy we have major league baseball.

OOOOH....LOOK... a carousel in center field!

BTW: Royals are actually winning so far today.

[KC_Connection]

BTW: Royals are actually winning so far today.
The BABIP gods favor them through 4 innings. Some opportune bloop hits.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Oh, and here's one more nugget. Moore was on with Soren earlier, claiming that our payroll could be 80-85 million if we were to draw 2.5 million fans. Sweet. Oh, Oh, and we'll never be able to sign top FA prospects. No bullshit.

That has to give everyone the warm fuzzies.

Nice swipe at the fans.

"Hey, if you guys would support us, we could spend more money."

FTR, you'd have to average 31K per game to hit 2.5M for the year. You've been over 30K once, in 1989. (30,589)

Jesus, I feel for you guys. The fucking owner is willing to bump payroll all the way up to the top of the lower-third of the league if you show you can repeatedly break the franchise's attendance record.

:facepalm:

[siberian khatru]

Luke Hochevar is an unmitigated piece of shit.

[DeezNutz]

From Dayton Moore with Soren Petro:

"Almost resigned" to picking up leftovers in FA.

"We take a guy like Bubba Starling who plays a premium position because we know if and when he turns into a star...in 2024, 2025 he becomes a FA; we're not going to be able to afford that player perhaps."

Direct quotation from the podcast: http://810whb.com/page.php?page_id=98

Around the 30 minute mark. What a sham.

[DeezNutz]

Based on the quotation about Starling, I'd hold off on purchasing a Hosmer jersey.

[gblowfish]

"We take a guy like Bubba Starling who plays a premium position because we know if and when he turns into a star...in 2024, 2025 he becomes a FA; we're not going to be able to afford that player perhaps.

I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by then. So I don't care.

BTW: Royals choke up two runs right back, now 3-2 KC.

[DeezNutz]

Nice swipe at the fans.

"Hey, if you guys would support us, we could spend more money."

FTR, you'd have to average 31K per game to hit 2.5M for the year. You've been over 30K once, in 1989. (30,589)

Jesus, I feel for you guys. The ****ing owner is willing to bump payroll all the way up to the top of the lower-third of the league if you show you can repeatedly break the franchise's attendance record.

:facepalm:

No end to the cycle. You can't draw fans without a winning product.

Bottom line: I guess we need to be content with 60-70M in payroll most years and watching any player who develops into an elite talent walk, as we're already prepared to do with Starling.

It's like every couple of years this fool has to give an interview that attempts to crush morale.

[OnTheWarpath15]

No end to the cycle. You can't draw fans without a winning product.

Bottom line: I guess we need to be content with 60-70M in payroll most years and watching any player who develops into an elite talent walk, as we're already prepared to do with Starling.

It's like every couple of years this fool has to give an interview that attempts to crush morale.

Seems the only end to the cycle is new ownership.

Is there any chance of that happening within the next decade?

[DeezNutz]

Seems the only end to the cycle is new ownership.

Is there any chance of that happening within the next decade?

There's never even been a rumor to this end. The dude literally has not done an interview in KC since campaigning for the sales tax to fund the stadium renovations.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Is there any limit to how shitty Mike Aviles gets before they get rid of him?

[gblowfish]

I've been saying Glass has to go for years. I got severely beaten last week for even SUGGESTING things wouldn't change much over the next few years.

One comment said (paraphrasing) EVERYBODY in baseball agrees the Royals minor leagues are vastly improved, this team will compete in three years."

My point is, it will be Damon-Dye-Beltran all over again. All three of these guys were rushed to the bigs by the Royals so they could learn their craft. They all ended up being serious playoff and world series participants, just not for us. By the time they got good, we could no longer afford them.

Scott Boras will NEVER let one of his clients stay in KC once they get good. It's bad for business. Same will happen with Starling if he blossoms.

We couldn't keep Greinke here. We won't be able to keep Hosmer here (he wants to be a Yankee).

Hell, Glass is a Cardinal fan. He doesn't even watch Royals games. He watches Arkansas Naturals games. At least THEY win!

[OnTheWarpath15]

There's never even been a rumor to this end. The dude literally has not done an interview in KC since campaigning for the sales tax to fund the stadium renovations.

That sucks.

On a side note, any of you guys coming down to the Shithole next weekend?

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Bottom third of the lineup hitting .214, .209, and .213. Awesome.

[DeezNutz]

That sucks.

On a side note, any of you guys coming down to the Shithole next weekend?

Not I, my friend.

[gblowfish]

We're into the seventh, and still up 3-2.
Will it stand up, so to speak?

[gblowfish]

Into the eighth, still 3-2.

[chefsos]

Whoa, they're bringing in Soria for the save? Buckle up, boys...

[teedubya]

Bottom third of the lineup hitting .214, .209, and .213. Awesome.

#dominating

[chefsos]

Ruh roh. 2 on, one out...

[chefsos]

K. Two down.

[chefsos]

3-2, runners go...

[chefsos]

BB. Bases juiced.