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kstater
06-18-2011, 03:23 PM
6:15

Vin Diesel vs Westbrook

gblowfish
06-18-2011, 03:55 PM
LaRussa tries to spell "Moustakas" for his lineup card:

seclark
06-18-2011, 03:57 PM
LaRussa tries to spell "Moustakas" for his lineup card:

it is funny.
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stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:00 PM
Hope Mazzaro has another good start

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 05:10 PM
mizzaro vs 3 of the best hitters in the game

SnakeXJones
06-18-2011, 05:15 PM
mizzaro vs 3 of the best hitters in the gamemaybe in NL

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:17 PM
Damn it Alex

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:23 PM
There goes the no hitter for Mazzaro

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:27 PM
There goes the shutout

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 05:27 PM
Proving the last start was smoke and mirrors

Mama Hip Rockets
06-18-2011, 05:28 PM
Proving the last start was smoke and mirrors

A little early to be assessing his overall performance tonight, isn't it?

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:30 PM
Anyone keeping Mazzaro's ERA watch tonight?

Mama Hip Rockets
06-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Anyone keeping Mazzaro's ERA watch tonight?

I believe it was higher than 10 coming in, so it should be lower already.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:33 PM
Death to the stinkbirds!!!!! :cuss:

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:35 PM
Moose ... the new Escobar.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:35 PM
where the hell is frank?

white > monty

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:36 PM
I believe it was higher than 10 coming in, so it should be lower already.

Couldn't be much lower. He's at 9.0 for the game.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 05:38 PM
Too fucking close

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:39 PM
Alicides!!!!

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
ESCOBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discuss Thrower
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Alciiiiiides!

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Escobar is awesome

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
ESCOBAR IN BEAST MODE!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Good job Escobar.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
he even pulled that one PBJ

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Escobar lol

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:41 PM
escoBOOM!!`

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:41 PM
Where was that?

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 05:42 PM
another good thing about Escobar is that he gives a 100% all time.

Dude got the triple because he was running from the start. :clap:

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:42 PM
Al got a pretty ugly swing....

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 05:42 PM
Mazzaro doesn't even want to be there.

Pasta Little Brioni
06-18-2011, 05:43 PM
:facepalm: Any pitcher that allows consecutive hits to the craptastic trio of Treanor, Getz, and Escobar should commit Harry Carey on the field.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 05:44 PM
:facepalm: Any pitcher that allows consecutive hits to the craptastic trio of Treanor, Getz, and Escobar should commit Harry Carey on the field.

Escobar has been hot.... Westbrook should have just pitched around him.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:44 PM
:facepalm: Any pitcher that allows consecutive hits to the craptastic trio of Treanor, Getz, and Escobar should commit Harry Carey on the field.

What would you do for an Esco-bar?

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 05:45 PM
Another fucking leadoff man on :banghead:

Pasta Little Brioni
06-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Escobar has been hot.... Westbrook should have just pitched around him.

It appears so. Multi-hit games in 6 of 7.

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Molina running...LOL

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Mazzaro doesn't even want to be there.

He REALLY doesn't want to be there.... Mazzaro is no good. I really don't like the guy.

Pasta Little Brioni
06-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Molina running...LOL

His bro Bengie is slower LMAO

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:49 PM
1 run in that situation isn't terrible.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 05:49 PM
His bro Bengie is slower LMAO

Belly Butler probably is slower than both

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:49 PM
His bro Bengie is slower LMAO

for a minute there it looked like special olympics baseball, and thats an insult to special olympics

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:50 PM
Belly Butler probably is slower than both

at least Belly doesn't look mentally challenged as he rounds first

Pasta Little Brioni
06-18-2011, 05:52 PM
Belly Butler probably is slower than both

:hmmm: The more important question is who would win a race to the front of the buffet line?

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Dominating eye

Infidel Goat
06-18-2011, 05:54 PM
game delay? what's happening?

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 05:55 PM
game delay? what's happening?

dial up?

kstater
06-18-2011, 05:56 PM
Nice Sac from Hos there.

Infidel Goat
06-18-2011, 05:56 PM
dial up?

No. Yahoo has been stuck on man on first no outs no strikes or balls for a few minutes...

Mama Hip Rockets
06-18-2011, 05:57 PM
I would really like to see Billy and Yadier in a footrace.

Pasta Little Brioni
06-18-2011, 05:57 PM
game delay? what's happening?

They are honoring the best fans in baseball with a special flyover and free Big Mac ;)

Infidel Goat
06-18-2011, 05:58 PM
No. Yahoo has been stuck on man on first no outs no strikes or balls for a few minutes...

Finally an update...

Vinny continues to work on a 9.00 ERA for the game, I see.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:01 PM
And again...anybody else noticing a trend here?

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:02 PM
Why is LaRussa batting the pitcher 8th? Thinking at the stop light again?

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:04 PM
this is probably a repost, but isnt Pena hitting better than Treanor lately? Id think he'd be a better choice in an NL park.

chiefsfan987
06-18-2011, 06:04 PM
Finally an update...

Vinny continues to work on a 9.00 ERA for the game, I see.

If you don't have tv www.soccertvlive.net is carrying the game... Click on the baseball icon. The game is delayed quite a bit... at least 5 minutes behind but its better than nothing.

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:05 PM
And again...anybody else noticing a trend here?

wha?

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Has our sinkerball pitcher got anyone to hit one on the ground yet?

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:07 PM
thought fo sho that was gone

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:07 PM
At least Vin is consistent.

KCUnited
06-18-2011, 06:07 PM
Way to admire that double.

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:08 PM
For pujols, that's called a slump. For Butler, that's called being great.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:08 PM
wha?


8 leadoff men on in his last two starts


As I said, his shutout was all smoke and mirrors

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:10 PM
Cardinal announcer saying that this is one of the biggest crowds of the season that has showed up for their non-rival.

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:10 PM
8 leadoff men on in his last two starts


As I said, his shutout was all smoke and mirrors

noted

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:10 PM
Mazzaro is not a major league pitcher.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Mickelson hits the dirt

Archie F. Swin
06-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Pujols to Escobar: "Umm...I dont speak Spanish"

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Nice setup.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Berkman flopping like he was playing for the Blues.

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:14 PM
I don't see Moose ever leading the league in walks.

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:16 PM
TREANOR

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Pujols to Escobar: "Umm...I dont speak Spanish"

He does know the latin art of changing your age.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Treanor clubs one like a baby seal

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Damn...

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Can we put Kendall on the permanant DL now?

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Treanor clubs one like a baby seal

Like a baby Poohholz.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Can we put Kendall on the permanant DL now?
Me thinks Dayton Moore has a serious thing for Kendall or they would have released him already.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:18 PM
Move him to leadoff

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:18 PM
Another multi-hit game

CaliforniaChief
06-18-2011, 06:19 PM
Good Lord that puts Escobar over .250 I believe.

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:21 PM
Me thinks Dayton Moore has a serious thing for Kendall or they would have released him already.

That and I doubt you can release a guy on the DL

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:21 PM
Good Lord that puts Escobar over .250 I believe.

Said last night he was going to go from sub-Mendoza to .300 in a month.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Escobar batting .615 on the road trip

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:27 PM
Sad part is Pujols will cakewalk into the ASG and Hosmer won't make it for another 2 years or so.

Valiant
06-18-2011, 06:28 PM
Sad part is Pujols will cakewalk into the ASG and Hosmer won't make it for another 2 years or so.

If he were in the AL I would see your point..

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:32 PM
That and I doubt you can release a guy on the DL

As long as he's not playing I'm cool with it

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:40 PM
Cardinal announcer creamed himself on that out.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:40 PM
GOT HIM

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Good lord the Cardinals suck on the basepaths.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Nice

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Escobar with the assist

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:51 PM
Melky to the wall: Your my bitch.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:51 PM
Melky tries to fool em

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:52 PM
Melky showing up the fans LMAO

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:53 PM
MOOSE

GloryDayz
06-18-2011, 06:53 PM
Nice!

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:53 PM
Moosetacos

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:54 PM
Boner

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:54 PM
Wizard of HOZ

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:54 PM
Defense shines

Mizzou_8541
06-18-2011, 06:57 PM
Just got in. Mazzaro is doing ok or is he just getting BA defense?

Infidel Goat
06-18-2011, 06:57 PM
Quality start for Vinny if he's pulled now...

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 06:57 PM
Pinch hitter?

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 06:58 PM
Just got in. Mazzaro is doing ok or is he just getting BA defense?

Royals playing the Cardinals remember

kstater
06-18-2011, 06:59 PM
Pinch hitter?

Ned would be a fool to play russian roulette with Vin next inning.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 06:59 PM
actually mazzaro has been decent AFTER that 1st game

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
DOMINATING

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
DOMINATING

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
ALICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
Alex just destroyed that ball

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:01 PM
actually mazzaro has been decent AFTER that 1st game

except almost every inning he looks to be close to having a Hochaver meltdown

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:01 PM
actually mazzaro has been decent AFTER that 1st game

Yeah, he only has an ERA of 5 in the last 3 games since then. That's fucking brilliance on the mound right there.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 07:02 PM
Kevin Seitzer is a God...He fixed Alice and Alcides in the same season

Saul Good
06-18-2011, 07:02 PM
I'd be interested in seeing average RBI per HR for teams around the league. It seems like ours are always solo shots.

cabletech94
06-18-2011, 07:02 PM
domination (little late to the party, sorry).

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 07:04 PM
Which Tiny Tim will we get today?

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 07:04 PM
Westbrook tripped out when gordon hit that. OH HE KNEW ALREADY!

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-18-2011, 07:05 PM
Sit the fuck down

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:05 PM
The smartest manager ever has had his starters toss 240 pitches in the last 2 games.

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:08 PM
This is hysterical.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:08 PM
This is hysterical.

For whom?

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:10 PM
For whom?

Not Royals fans.

BTW, I might be going to the K for the first time next week. Is the Diamond Club nice?

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:12 PM
The last time the Cardinals won, Anthony Weiner was still a Congressman.

cabletech94
06-18-2011, 07:13 PM
The last time the Cardinals won, Anthony Weiner was still a Congressman.


:LOL:
i know you're not bragging. well, i hope you're not anyway.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:18 PM
Cardinals manager and coaches look like they are all ready for the nursing home

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:18 PM
MOOSE

Hos

Discuss Thrower
06-18-2011, 07:19 PM
I wish I got to tap Misty May

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Time to see what Crow is made of with the 2-3-4 coming up here.

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Nice test inc for holland

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:23 PM
quick hook on vin

ChiefsCountry
06-18-2011, 07:23 PM
Why isnt Crow in?
Posted via Mobile Device

Discuss Thrower
06-18-2011, 07:23 PM
I take it that was a great play by Frenchy?

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:23 PM
Why isnt Crow in?
Posted via Mobile Device

Play the lefty matchup.

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 07:24 PM
quick hook on vin

Why did vin start the inning is the question

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:24 PM
I take it that was a great play by Frenchy?

Even better play call from the 1st base coach to hold him up.

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:24 PM
Collins pitched the 7th guys.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:25 PM
except almost every inning he looks to be close to having a Hochaver meltdownwell first i said 'decent' not great. secondly almost is almost ...

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:25 PM
Interesting bringing Holland in to see Pujols Holliday and Berkman. I don't like it personally.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:26 PM
Pujols pulls a Belly

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:26 PM
Such a clutch hitter that Pujols is.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:27 PM
at this point, i would be wearing a mask as a cardinal fan too.

dunno what those stupid claw things are for ... keeping him from scratching himself in public like one of the dog cones?

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:27 PM
Stupid pitching to him with 1st open.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:27 PM
Holland not up to the test

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:27 PM
Nice pitch Holland

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:28 PM
belt high, right down the middle


oops

ChiefsCountry
06-18-2011, 07:28 PM
Interesting bringing Holland in to see Pujols Holliday and Berkman. I don't like it personally.

Which is why I was asking where is Crow.
Posted via Mobile Device

noa
06-18-2011, 07:28 PM
Matt Holiday should play for the Royals

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:29 PM
The Cardinals are going to blow this. Somehow, someway.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:29 PM
Stupid pitching to him with 1st open.
rethinking that maybe?


:D

Great Expectations
06-18-2011, 07:30 PM
What happened on the pooholes ground ball? Game trax said Escobar to Gretz to Hosmer.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:30 PM
Where was Crow? Holland did his job though... gave up the lead.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:31 PM
I'm not going to kill Holland though. He hadn't been horrible.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:31 PM
What happened on the pooholes ground ball? Game trax said Escobar to Gretz to Hosmer.
it was a hit and run so the guy was safe at second but out at 1st

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:31 PM
What happened on the pooholes ground ball? Game trax said Escobar to Gretz to Hosmer.

Runner was going, didn't get the ball to Getz in time, but Pujols pulled a Belly and trotted down the line and was out by 15 steps

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:32 PM
What happened on the pooholes ground ball? Game trax said Escobar to Gretz to Hosmer.

LaRussa had so much trust in his 25 million dollar player that he hit-and-run to avoid a double play.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:34 PM
Well the rubber match is tomorrow.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:35 PM
cardinal shortstop is on speed or something

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/over_the_hedge/steve_carell/overthehedge_poster.jpg

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:37 PM
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Mr. Laz
06-18-2011, 07:37 PM
Butler to the warning track..........

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Billy just said FUCK YOU to Ned Yost right there.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Cardinals celebrating breaking the 7 game losing streak

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:39 PM
THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER.

Good game. I expect the rubber match to be even more entertaining.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:39 PM
That loss sucked... Holland gave it up, and didn't seem to care much about it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Nice win. Even TLR couldn't quite fuck up that one, unlike last night.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Ohhh and fuck ALL former Atlanta Braves.

kstater
06-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Cardinals setting off fireworks celebrating beating their non-rivals.

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Amazing the Royals stayed in the game with a A league pitcher on the mound

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Cardinals setting off fireworks celebrating beating their non-rivals.

Fireworks go off after every win.

CoMoChief
06-18-2011, 07:43 PM
Holliday bending over our pitching staff again

ChiefsCountry
06-18-2011, 07:45 PM
Yost not putting Crow in face the middle of the Cardinals lineup was stupid. Its not like he has been over worked, only pitched last night and Tuesday.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-18-2011, 07:46 PM
Cardinals setting off fireworks celebrating beating their non-rivals.

Shitload of butthurt here.

BigRedChief
06-18-2011, 07:51 PM
Shitload of butthurt here.

Damn dude every team shoots off fireworks after a win.

Al Bundy
06-18-2011, 07:56 PM
Where were you Cards fans last night?

stonedstooge
06-18-2011, 08:04 PM
Where were you Cards fans last night?

Or during the game tonight?

BigRedChief
06-18-2011, 08:20 PM
Or during the game tonight?
I have a life and no interest in talking smack with royals fans.

milkman
06-18-2011, 08:26 PM
I have a life and no interest in talking smack with royals fans.

Lying bastard.

No one here has a life.

We all know it.

kstater
06-18-2011, 08:31 PM
I have a life and no interest in talking smack with royals fans.

Exactly, you just happened to find time after the game was over.

BigRedChief
06-18-2011, 09:42 PM
Exactly, you just happened to find time after the game was over.Same as last night when I dropped in to congratulate the Royal fans on the win.

Sure-Oz
06-18-2011, 11:28 PM
Butler with the clutch strikeout

Dr. Johnny Fever
06-19-2011, 03:46 AM
As God is my witness I'll never hate another team in any sport as much as I hate... no loath... the cardinals. I refuse to even capitalize cardinals. And it's not jealousy boys and girls. It's the unrelenting "we're better than you" attitude of every cardinals fan I know. We beat those sacks of shit last night and I heard nothing. Tonight I get texts from 4 st. loser fans after the game. Really? Best fans in baseball my ass. Congrats on your ability to think you're the shit when you break a 7 game losing streak. If I could have my way Pujols would sign with the Cubs and the cardinals would never win a game again. I"m friends with 2 Raider fans and they aren't nearly as big of pricks as the cardinal fans I know. But we aren't a rivalry. Unless st loser wins a game.

Dr. Johnny Fever
06-19-2011, 03:49 AM
I have a life and no interest in talking smack with royals fans.

You may be the one cardinals fan who I can stand.... other than my best friend... and she's a cardinal fan because her great grandfather played for them. Other than that she really doesn't care.

Dr. Johnny Fever
06-19-2011, 04:45 AM
Just watched the highlights of the game. I do public address announcing for a team in a local college league about half the season so I'm not always around to watch Royals games.... but is Escobar the best ss we've ever had? He can't possibly stay as hot as he's been at the plate but thank you Yost for letting him hit all those times people (other than me) thought it was a mistake... defensively alone though... the Royals have one of the best if not the best ss in baseball now. Lock this guy up and consider him another player (besides Hosmer and Moustakis to build around.

gblowfish
06-19-2011, 09:24 AM
Just watched the highlights of the game. I do public address announcing for a team in a local college league about half the season so I'm not always around to watch Royals games.... but is Escobar the best ss we've ever had? He can't possibly stay as hot as he's been at the plate but thank you Yost for letting him hit all those times people (other than me) thought it was a mistake... defensively alone though... the Royals have one of the best if not the best ss in baseball now. Lock this guy up and consider him another player (besides Hosmer and Moustakis to build around.

Best Royals SS would be a toss up between Fred Patek and UL Washington.
Freddie had speed, hit for average, great range on Astroturf, and back then the balls were hit like rocket shots up the middle on the Astroturf.

Escobar has been surprisingly good, but let's not go crazy and put him in the Royals HOF just yet....

milkman
06-19-2011, 09:38 AM
Best Royals SS would be a toss up between Fred Patek and UL Washington.
Freddie had speed, hit for average, great range on Astroturf, and back then the balls were hit like rocket shots up the middle on the Astroturf.

Escobar has been surprisingly good, but let's not go crazy and put him in the Royals HOF just yet....

Washington had a tendency to get distracted defensively at times.

milkman
06-19-2011, 09:41 AM
Just watched the highlights of the game. I do public address announcing for a team in a local college league about half the season so I'm not always around to watch Royals games.... but is Escobar the best ss we've ever had? He can't possibly stay as hot as he's been at the plate but thank you Yost for letting him hit all those times people (other than me) thought it was a mistake... defensively alone though... the Royals have one of the best if not the best ss in baseball now. Lock this guy up and consider him another player (besides Hosmer and Moustakis to build around.

I think that his hitting is improved as a result of changing his aproach.

Those those at bats late in games might have helped him to realize that he needed to change his approach earlier in the season than he otherwise might have, but I think he would have come to that realization eventually regardless.

gblowfish
06-19-2011, 09:46 AM
Washington had a tendency to get distracted defensively at times.

Sometimes his toothpick got in the way....

Dr. Johnny Fever
06-19-2011, 12:46 PM
I'll see your Patek and Washington and raise you an Onix Concepcion and Buddy Biancalana. I'm kidding.

I was real young when Patek played and don't remember a lot about him other than being a little guy. I remember Washington much better but I don't remember him being as spectacular defensively as often as Escobar.

I wasn't putting Alcides in the Royals HOF yet but I'm glad he plays for us.