What's your current Cassel Temperature?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Let's stir some shit!

Poll to follow

[BigMeatballDave]

Magma! White hot!

Doesnt matter, ice flows thru Matty's veins!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Magma! White hot!

Doesnt matter, ice flows thru Matty's veins!

If only talent flowed through his limbs....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The Official Beach Tribe Option:

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[Simply Red]

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[Bewbies]

Considering I haven't seen him play for a long time I'd rate him about a 2 on a scale of 1-10,000,000.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

http://tinyurl.com/43dg8u7

LMAO Indeed I is!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Considering I haven't seen him play for a long time I'd rate him about a 2 on a scale of 1-10,000,000.

It's not been a "long time". And, despite the addition of Zorn, you should be able to intuit how this is going to play out.

[Bugeater]

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Just out of curiosity, why do you use tinyurl for youtube videos? It's not the like the urls are that long to begin with, and most of them you can embed.

[KurtCobain]

I think my Cassel tingle is back.

Sure he lacks talent. But it could all come to him. He's improved and we hear he's had a productive offseason. LEt's hope he can get to Zorn and I think he can lead us past some of the "GONNA BEAT US" teams. Hard schedule? Pffff. We got Cassel.

2011 Playoff Win With And Thanks To Matt Cassel

Bet on it.

I am the anti-ROR.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think my Cassel tingle is back.

Sure he lacks talent. But it could all come to him. He's improved and we hear he's had a productive offseason. LEt's hope he can get to Zorn and I think he can lead us past some of the "GONNA BEAT US" teams. Hard schedule? Pffff. We got Cassel.

2011 Playoff Win With And Thanks To Matt Cassel

Bet on it.

I am the anti-ROR.

I have better drugs than you, so there.

[KurtCobain]

I truely believe Cassel will be a top 5 QB at the end of next season, despite this horrible schedule.

[Shaid]

I wanted the option between disappoint and cautiously optocrastic. I'm expecting mediocre and hoping for better. There were flashes last year that made you think there might be a chance but there were other times when he just shit the bed and missed wide open passes. I think with the additional receiving options he should have this year and Zorn at his back that he should take a major step forward. If he doesn't, shoe meet ass.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I truely believe Cassel will be a top 5 QB at the end of next season, despite this horrible schedule.

I take it back:

You have WAY better drugs than me...

[Simply Red]

Just out of curiosity, why do you use tinyurl for youtube videos? It's not the like the urls are that long to begin with, and most of them you can embed.

because youtube labels their videos - and entirely ruin any 'suprise element' you MAY'VE wanted. I hate how they tag their vids now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I wanted the option between disappoint and cautiously optocrastic. I'm expecting mediocre and hoping for better. There were flashes last year that made you think there might be a chance but there were other times when he just shit the bed and missed wide open passes. I think with the additional receiving options he should have this year and Zorn at his back that he should take a major step forward. If he doesn't, shoe meet ass.

I wanted the option where young talent met-flash, just like our stud Mr. Berry.

That didn't quite happen.

I do fully back this "shoe meet ass" option though.

[KurtCobain]

I really don't understand your prolonged Cassel hate.

Do you really not think Cassel is capable of a pro bowl season next year?

[KurtCobain]

I really don't understand your prolonged Cassel hate.

Do you really not think Cassel is capable of a pro bowl season next year?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

because youtube labels their videos - and entirely ruin any 'suprise element' you MAY'VE wanted. I hate how they tag their vids now.

I can appreciate this.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I really don't understand your prolonged Cassel hate.

Do you really not think Cassel is capable of a pro bowl season next year?

Of course he can. He can grade out perfectly yet perform like Matt Cassel, and get his skinny, white-bread ass right on to Florida or Honolulu.

[KurtCobain]

He could be a Franchise QB. Hold this thing on his back when Jamaal gets stacked. He has the weapons and mentality. And I think this year he pulls everything together. He's been working hard.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He could be a Franchise QB. Hold this thing on his back when Jamaal gets stacked. He has the weapons and mentality. And I think this year he pulls everything together. He's been working hard.

We can hope, but ANYTHING this guy accomplishes will be at the feet of his team mates, and you can absolutely quote me on that.

[KurtCobain]

So there's NO WAY we could fall behind two scores agianst SD, NE, PIT or NYJ and come back on Cassel's shoulders? You couldn't see Cassel rallying up what he's got in him and nailing pass after pass in a heroic comeback?

[KurtCobain]

I would bet anything that Cassel's numbers(stats AND wins) turn out better that Peyton Manning's in 2011.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So there's NO WAY we could fall behind two scores agianst SD, NE, PIT or NYJ and come back on Cassel's shoulders? You couldn't see Cassel rallying up what he's got in him and nailing pass after pass in a heroic comeback?

I see many things in/about Cassel.

"Hero" is not one of them.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I would bet anything that Cassel's numbers(stats AND wins) turn out better that Peyton Manning's in 2011.

Jesus, I want your smack, Kurt.

[KurtCobain]

I see many things in/about Cassel.

"Hero" is not one of them.

I could see a cape on that man.

Really, it's all there. We have to wait and see I guess, but next year is as good a test as it gets, and I think Cassel blows some minds and you revert once again.

All it took to get you was a few good games last year.

What do you do when Cassel directs us to victory, does those sack evading passes for firsts downs, and plays LIGHTS OUT? Change you name to Matty Love?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I could see a cape on that man.

Really, it's all there. We have to wait and see I guess, but next year is as good a test as it gets, and I think Cassel blows some minds and you revert once again.

All it took to get you was a few good games last year.

What do you do when Cassel directs us to victory, does those sack evading passes for firsts downs, and plays LIGHTS OUT? Change you name to Matty Love?

Does your weed have crystals too? Pass the duchy, please...

[KurtCobain]

I can't even respond to that.

I want you named Matty Love when we start out 6-0 and Cassel's TD to INT ratio is 4:1.

[KurtCobain]

I have been drinking a little tonight.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I can't even respond to that.

I want you named Matty Love when we start out 6-0 and Cassel's TD to INT ratio is 4:1.

Numbers and reg season do not dominate the Steelers, Jets, and Ravens etc. in the...

WAIT for it....

Puh...

Puh...

Puh-LAYYYYYYYOFFFFFFS!!!!!!!

[KurtCobain]

He can get a playoff win. Maybe even two. There's that superbowl in Indy this year, think Matt is practicing his MVP speech? He should be. It better be good. Damnit.

Why the fuck couldn't he? That dude is serious.

And obviously, against those teams, we'd need to use Charles anyways. I dare the Ravens to try us again. Next time is ours. Matt got his playoff whooping. Happens to all of 'em. Next year he gets his stripes.

[4th and Long]

He can get a playoff win. Maybe even two. There's that superbowl in Indy this year, think Matt is practicing his MVP speech? He should be. It better be good. Damnit.

Why the **** couldn't he? That dude is serious.

And obviously, against those teams, we'd need to use Charles anyways. I dare the Ravens to try us again. Next time is ours. Matt got his playoff whooping. Happens to all of 'em. Next year he gets his stripes.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

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LMAO:LOL:

[007]

He can get a playoff win. Maybe even two. There's that superbowl in Indy this year, think Matt is practicing his MVP speech? He should be. It better be good. Damnit.

Why the **** couldn't he? That dude is serious.

And obviously, against those teams, we'd need to use Charles anyways. I dare the Ravens to try us again. Next time is ours. Matt got his playoff whooping. Happens to all of 'em. Next year he gets his stripes.

Exactly what is your drink of choice tonight?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Exactly what is your drink of choice tonight?

I'm guessing Peyote; Young Guns-style.

[Fish]

I would bet anything that Cassel's numbers(stats AND wins) turn out better that Peyton Manning's in 2011.

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Are you on the Jenkem again?

[BossChief]

I would bet anything that Cassel's numbers(stats AND wins) turn out better that Peyton Manning's in 2011.

HMOG

[KcMizzou]

Fuck off, Tesla rocked.

[Rausch]

I can't even respond to that.

I want you named Matty Love when we start out 6-0 and Cassel's TD to INT ratio is 4:1.

...

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[Bugeater]

because youtube labels their videos - and entirely ruin any 'suprise element' you MAY'VE wanted. I hate how they tag their vids now.
I'm always afraid I'm clicking on a granny porn link.

[Simply Red]

I'm always afraid I'm clicking on a granny porn link.

ROFL

[-King-]

You make some terrible polls
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[Predarat]

GAZ!

[JD10367]

He showed tremendous improvement in Year Two. Sure, he shit his pants in the playoffs, but the rest of the team didn't help him much either. One bad playoff game does not a career make (hello, Peyton Manning, and hello New England Patriots of the past few seasons). But he's on a short leash; start the season looking like shit, and he's toast.

[Ming the Merciless]

there was no 98 degrees setting??

I'm blasting 98 degrees in my miata wiith a Mark Caste bumper sticker.

[KurtCobain]

I stand by my comments last night.

Especially the Manning one.

[4th and Long]

I stand by my comments last night.
Me too!

[4th and Long]

I stand by my comments last night.
Me too! (again)

[KurtCobain]

Me too!

I'm okay with this.

[KurtCobain]

Me too! (again)

So no beers now?

[bevischief]

I truely believe Cassel will be a top 5 QB at the end of next season, despite this horrible schedule.

I want some of whatever you are on...

[4th and Long]

So no beers now?
I'm not allowed to drink when I'm saving lives at work.

[KurtCobain]

I'm not allowed to drink when I'm saving lives at work.

You're very proud of what you. That's awesome.

And fwiw, I was not drinking last night. Just trying to sound less crazy. And no drugs. I have these urine test things to prove it.

But the more I think about it, Cassel really could carry this team. He's a good leader, he's smart and I think he can pull together the talent stuff.

[KurtCobain]

Sober is what sober does.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

there was no 98 degrees setting??

I'm blasting 98 degrees in my miata wiith a Mark Caste bumper sticker.

LMAO

[chiefzilla1501]

Rooting for him. Man do I want him to do well.

But he's going to have to do a hell of a lot better. Still not convinced that he's a good QB beyond the first read. Still has to be more consistent knowing his pocket. Still has to prove he can throw an accurate deep ball.

But from a leadership standpoint, which I believe is a very difficult thing to coach, he's got it in spades. The Rams game sold me on that.

[L.A. Chieffan]

QBOTF

[notorious]

Cassel is going to win us a Superbowl.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Cassel is going to win us a Superbowl.

QFT, Cassel, Charles, Moe, and the killer motha fuckin B's cant be stopped yo!

[KurtCobain]

Cassel is going to win us a Superbowl.

This.

[milkman]

QFT, Cassel, Charles, Moe, and the killer motha ****in B's cant be stopped yo!

Killer Bs has already been used.

BB gun offense.

Works great, since Cassel will be throwing to Bowe and Baldwin with BB gun arm strength

[notorious]

Killer Bs has already been used.

BB gun offense.

Works great, since Cassel will be throwing to Bowe and Baldwin with BB gun arm strength

ROFL

[OnTheWarpath15]

Killer Bs has already been used.

BB gun offense.

Works great, since Cassel will be throwing to Bowe and Baldwin with BB gun arm strength

And BB gun accuracy. Decent from point-blank range. Terrible from any further.

[Three7s]

I don't like Cassel all that much, but some of you guys act like you've never seen Cassel even complete a pass. Did you guys hate Bono and Grbac this much, because he's better than those losers imo.

[notorious]

Did you guys hate Bono and Grbac this much, because he's better than those losers imo.

Yes.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't like Cassel all that much, but some of you guys act like you've never seen Cassel even complete a pass. Did you guys hate Bono and Grbac this much, because he's better than those losers imo.

Better than bad does not equal good.

[milkman]

I don't like Cassel all that much, but some of you guys act like you've never seen Cassel even complete a pass. Did you guys hate Bono and Grbac this much, because he's better than those losers imo.

I absolutely hated Steve Bono.

Grbac was far more talented than Cassel, but had a 10 cent head.

If we could combine GraBac's talent with Cassel's heart, we might actually have something.

Interestingly, we are probably the only team that have elevated two QBs (Bono and Cassel) who have never actually won the battle to be starters in college to be starters in the NFL.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I really don't understand your prolonged Cassel hate.

Do you really not think Cassel is capable of a pro bowl season next year?

Sadly, I think the majority of our fanbase feels like this.

People are perfectly content with a guy that has decent stats during the regular season and sneaks into the Pro Bowl because 2-3 other guys cancel.

I don't care about having a Pro Bowl QB. I want a CHAMPIONSHIP QB.

Dude can dink and dunk and YAC his way to gaudy stats. Great.

It's debatable that the guy even has the ability to come through in the clutch and win a playoff game. To think he's capable of winning SEVERAL of those games - concluding in a championship - deserves to get you committed to a mental institution.

Hopefully, one time in my lifetime, this franchise decides to draft and develop a talented QB early instead of trying to turn late round picks into the next Tom Brady.

[Easy 6]

Despite the way it all ended, i still feel somewhat justified in feeling optimistic. I've done a decent job making peace with his average joe arm & with another year under his belt & a better team around him, he should be able to take another step.

He's displayed some great toughness & leadership, took us to the playoffs, tossed Bowe his best ever season, he got Gilligan off the island...

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

One t in Mozart and it's at the end

[KurtCobain]

Nevermind guys, got some sleep today.

Cassel sucks.

[Easy 6]

Just a few months ago i was ripping him to julienne shreds, but as the *season* draws nigh, i cant help but to start looking for positives.

[Titty Meat]

99.7

[TRR]

Sadly, I think the majority of our fanbase feels like this.

People are perfectly content with a guy that has decent stats during the regular season and sneaks into the Pro Bowl because 2-3 other guys cancel.

I don't care about having a Pro Bowl QB. I want a CHAMPIONSHIP QB.

Dude can dink and dunk and YAC his way to gaudy stats. Great.

It's debatable that the guy even has the ability to come through in the clutch and win a playoff game. To think he's capable of winning SEVERAL of those games - concluding in a championship - deserves to get you committed to a mental institution.

Hopefully, one time in my lifetime, this franchise decides to draft and develop a talented QB early instead of trying to turn late round picks into the next Tom Brady.

The problem is it isn't that easy to find a "Championship QB.". A lot of posters that hate on Cassel act like its as easy as snapping your fingers and drafting ANY QB in the first round. The problem is it isn't that easy. Many franchises have tried and MANY....NUMEROUS have failed time and time and time again. It sets your franchise back years and a small market team like KC can't afford to be god awful like the Lions are for years on end.

Most of Chiefsplanet beleve its as easy as drafting a QB in the first round. And posters on this board would cream their pants if KC ever did. However, the bottom line is that the QB drafted in the 1st would have a better chance of busting or being mediocre at best (all while tying up an insane amount of cap) than being a SB winner.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

The problem is it isn't that easy to find a "Championship QB.". A lot of posters that hate on Cassel act like its as easy as snapping your fingers and drafting ANY QB in the first round. The problem is it isn't that easy. Many franchises have tried and MANY....NUMEROUS have failed time and time and time again. It sets your franchise back years and a small market team like KC can't afford to be god awful like the Lions are for years on end.

Most of Chiefsplanet beleve its as easy as drafting a QB in the first round. And posters on this board would cream their pants if KC ever did. However, the bottom line is that the QB drafted in the 1st would have a better chance of busting or being mediocre at best (all while tying up an insane amount of cap) than being a SB winner.
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Not easy to find?

It's impossible if you never try.

Keep running out career backups and late round picks hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, see where that gets you.

[Titty Meat]

I do know Cassel played a big part in winning 10 games this year when the franchise had won 10 games total the 3 years previous.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I do know Cassel played a big part in winning 10 games this year when the franchise had won 10 games total the 3 years previous.

Sure, 10 regular season games.

Which is perfect for this fanbase.

To borrow from one of my favorite posters who has moved on:

Mediocrity™: The Official Treadmill of the Kansas City Chiefs

[KurtCobain]

Medicority is better than losing all the time to get that QB. Those 2-14 seasons were killing me. I'd take 9-7 last minute heart breakers over that any year.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Medicority is better than losing all the time to get that QB. Those 2-14 seasons were killing me. I'd take 9-7 last minute heart breakers over that any year.


Thanks for proving my point.

[notorious]

I don't have the energy to fight this battle again.


Somebody needs to post the high draft QB/Superbowl winning ratio so we can just put this baby to rest.....again.

[Fish]

Medicority is better than losing all the time to get that QB. Those 2-14 seasons were killing me. I'd take 9-7 last minute heart breakers over that any year.

:facepalm:

[milkman]

I don't have the energy to fight this battle again.


Somebody needs to post the high draft QB/Superbowl winning ratio so we can just put this baby to rest.....again.

This baby never rests, ever.

[KurtCobain]

Thanks for proving my point.

No problem.

In 15-20 years I'm sure I'll be sick of it though. I've just grown through my first losing spell, and I bet you know where I'm coming from. The closest to being sports happy I've ever been besides 9-0 Chiefs when I was 14 was....

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[KurtCobain]

:facepalm:

So what would prefer, for ONE year. 2-14 or 9-7?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't have the energy to fight this battle again.


Somebody needs to post the high draft QB/Superbowl winning ratio so we can just put this baby to rest.....again.

This baby never rests, ever.

Nope. Never rests.

The numbers don't lie, yet they continually get ignored.

[Titty Meat]

Sure, 10 regular season games.

Which is perfect for this fanbase.

To borrow from one of my favorite posters who has moved on:

Mediocrity™: The Official Treadmill of the Kansas City Chiefs

The point I was trying to make is he's not done yet and the talent on offense let some to be desired. It didn't help his dumbass #1 WR dropped a few critical balls and didn't even have a catch in the playoff game.

[Fish]

So what would prefer, for ONE year. 2-14 or 9-7?

That's the heart of the issue.... the inability of some fans to look beyond a one year time frame when judging the franchise. Of course you would prefer a better record over a one year time frame. That's how King Carl filled the stadium back in the 90s, building the team for a one year run, year after year, future be damned. Which of course never worked......

I'm not rooting for a 2-14 season in the slightest. But I'm not going to let myself be placated by a mediocre season either, when it means the team is hurting itself by doing nothing to build for the future.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Who's talking mediocrity? SUPERBOWL BOUND BABY! CASSEL'S PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE HAS ME PUMPED!

[OnTheWarpath15]

That's the heart of the issue.... the inability of some fans to look beyond a one year time frame when judging the franchise. Of course you would prefer a better record over a one year time frame. That's how King Carl filled the stadium back in the 90s, building the team for a one year run, year after year, future be damned. Which of course never worked......

I'm not rooting for a 2-14 season in the slightest. But I'm not going to let myself be placated by a mediocre season either, when it means the team is hurting itself by doing nothing to build for the future.

Good post.

[Titty Meat]

That's the heart of the issue.... the inability of some fans to look beyond a one year time frame when judging the franchise. Of course you would prefer a better record over a one year time frame. That's how King Carl filled the stadium back in the 90s, building the team for a one year run, year after year, future be damned. Which of course never worked......

I'm not rooting for a 2-14 season in the slightest. But I'm not going to let myself be placated by a mediocre season either, when it means the team is hurting itself by doing nothing to build for the future.

Was last year a mediocre season?

[Fish]

Was last year a mediocre season?

No it wasn't, despite the record. Last year was progress and learning. Exciting and unpredictable. There was direction and intent beyond the season itself. Very different cat than the mediocrity years of the past. I really enjoyed last season for what it was.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

One t in Mozart and it's at the end

Yeah, I couldn't change it.

Was last year a mediocre season?

If it continues with the ol' One And Done, you TELL ME?

[TRR]

Not easy to find?

It's impossible if you never try.

Keep running out career backups and late round picks hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, see where that gets you.

True. But its far from a sure thing even if you do. Are the percentages of winning a SB higher if you have a 1st rd QB at the helm...Yes....But you have to hit on that pick, and although its easy to say it, its harder to do it. Period.

Out of all the QB's drafted in the 1st round....How many win a SB? My point is that posters seem to think that's all it takes is a 1st rd QB....When in reality, the numbers suggest bust/mediocre more than SB.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

True. But its far from a sure thing even if you do. Are the percentages of winning a SB higher if you have a 1st rd QB at the helm...Yes....But you have to hit on that pick, and although its easy to say it, its harder to do it. Period.

Out of all the QB's drafted in the 1st round....How many win a SB? My point is that posters seem to think that's all it takes is a 1st rd QB....When in reality, the numbers suggest bust/mediocre more than SB.
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That's not true at all.

And FWIW, there have been 27 SB winning QB's.

Of those 27, 15 were taken in the first 32 picks. (1st round) That's 56%.

The first round accounts for only 12.5% of all players picked.

In this case, 12.5% > the other 87.5%.



And the average draft position of a SBWQB?

53rd.

That speaks volumes when you consider that 4 guys - Starr, Warner, Brady and Johnson - are skewing the number.

Bottom line: If you want the best chance of winning a championship, you better draft a QB early.

[chiefzilla1501]

That's not true at all.

And FWIW, there have been 27 SB winning QB's.

Of those 27, 15 were taken in the first 32 picks. (1st round) That's 56%.

The first round accounts for only 12.5% of all players picked.

In this case, 12.5% > the other 87.5%.



And the average draft position of a SBWQB?

53rd.

That speaks volumes when you consider that 4 guys - Starr, Warner, Brady and Johnson - are skewing the number.

Bottom line: If you want the best chance of winning a championship, you better draft a QB early.

Trust me, from what I've seen, I'm not convinced Cassel's the guy. And of course a first round QB is more likely to succeed.

But numbers don't always tell the whole story. I'd be interested to see the average amount of starts a first round QB gets before a team gives up on him vs. a non-first round QB. The average amount of years a team will keep one of those young guys around to develop. And there's no number behind this, but how many times has a QB started over a lower round QB not because of ability, but because of draft status?

The numbers are heavily skewed because if a non first round QB isn't nails in his first 3 or 4 starts, he may never start another game again. They have no room for error. Meanwhile, a Joey Harrington or a Jason Campbell is giving a million and a half games to fail. If you're Kevin Kolb, you have 3 or 4 bad starts and you're done.

[Direckshun]

I'm bullish on Cassel.

I really am. I think we're going to see a different player there on the field in 2011.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'm bullish on Cassel.

I really am. I think we're going to see a different player there on the field in 2011.

Considering the schedule and the state of the line, I'd have to agree.

[Rasputin]

I just want Cassel to hang in there, do a good job while Ricky Stanzi gets prepared to take over the reins. Hopefully sooner than later but I am exited for Stanzi being here for a long time and hopefully become a star QB :grovel: that gives a chance to win a Super Bowl.

Also hope we continue the trend with drafting QBs yearly, to add to the mix for QB prospects to keep from retread QBs of Peterson past.

[johnny961]

I voted cautiously optimistic. I'm hoping an improved receiving corps helps.

[BoltWalt]

I truely believe Cassel will be a top 5 QB at the end of next season, despite this horrible schedule.

Horrible schedule? What do you expect from a first place finish?

[BoltWalt]

I'm always afraid I'm clicking on a granny porn link.
Once you have seen something you just can not un-see it, but time does help...

[el borracho]

Q: Is Cassel a franchise QB that you could build a dynasty around.

A: No, Cassel is not that guy. Cassel is the guy who looks good against hapless teams like the 49ers but craps himself against playoff teams. Cassel is the guy that prevents us from drafting a franchise QB in the 1st round of the draft. Cassel is an impediment.

[milkman]

Horrible schedule? What do you expect from a first place finish?

There are only two games that differ from one team to another within a division.

[Easy 6]

I really miss these kinds of discussions, i dont have to agree to be entertained & informed.

[MadMax]

Once you have seen something you just can not un-see it, but time does help...


Bust the crust it's all the same :) :Lin::Lin:

[BoltWalt]

There are only two games that differ from one team to another within a division.True. Chiefs get to play the Steelers and the Colts where the Bolts play the Ravens and Jags, slight advantage to the Chargers. But when you take into account that the Chargers Play the Chiefs twice and the Chiefs play the Chargers twice overwealming advantage to the Bolts!:D

[Easy 6]

True. Chiefs get to play the Steelers and the Colts where the Bolts play the Ravens and Jags, slight advantage to the Chargers. But when you take into account that the Chargers Play the Chiefs twice and the Chiefs play the Chargers twice overwealming advantage to the Bolts!:D

The only advantage you have over KC these days is Rivers.

Merrimans BANE juice has long since dried up & left town, LT's in NY, Olshanskys serving drinks at Jerry Jones partys, Jamal Williams is shopping for a good deal on his walking stick...

'Turn out the lights, the paaartys over...'

:)

[milkman]

True. Chiefs get to play the Steelers and the Colts where the Bolts play the Ravens and Jags, slight advantage to the Chargers. But when you take into account that the Chargers Play the Chiefs twice and the Chiefs play the Chargers twice overwealming advantage to the Bolts!:D

Charger defense is going to struggle with the loss of Ron Rivera.

They were playing some really sorry D under Ted Cottrell, and thier level of play was raised almost immeditaely upon Cottrell's firing and Rivera's promotion.


The reality is, the AFC West is a weak division.

Chargers' advantage is Rivers, but Norv Turner is an albatross.

[Gadzooks]

Here's my vote:
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Here's my vote:
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Of course YOU love the motherfucker.

[Easy 6]

Zook, i cant rep ya for the best song Tesla ever did 'cause of the repost below (its just as well ya damn Dolt!)

[Gadzooks]

Charger defense is going to struggle with the loss of Ron Rivera.

They were playing some really sorry D under Ted Cottrell, and thier level of play was raised almost immeditaely upon Cottrell's firing and Rivera's promotion.


The reality is, the AFC West is a weak division.

Chargers' advantage is Rivers, but Norv Turner is an albatross.

Mr. milkman, I expect better from you of all people,
The Charger D will be fine next season. Greg Manusky was the DC in SF last year and was a former member of the Chargers D coaching staff as a LB coach under Wade Phillips.
The way I see it, He's inheriting Rivera's playbook and adding a pinch of Wade's pass rush philosophy on top.
Not a bad situation for a coach to walk into.
BTW - Norf is the answer...

[milkman]

Mr. milkman, I expect better from you of all people,
The Charger D will be fine next season. Greg Manusky was the DC in SF last year and was a former member of the Chargers D coaching staff as a LB coach under Wade Phillips.
The way I see it, He's inheriting Rivera's playbook and adding a pinch of Wade's pass rush philosophy on top.
Not a bad situation for a coach to walk into.
BTW - Norf is the answer...

I think Manusky has real potential, but it's going to take a bit of time to adjust to his new position.

And Norf is the answer, if the question is, who's the most incompetent coach to ever have gotten multiple chances?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think Manusky has real potential, but it's going to take a bit of time to adjust to his new position.

And Norf is the answer, if the question is, who's the most incompetent coach to ever have gotten multiple chances?

He's really giving Marty a run, yes.

[Gadzooks]

I think Manusky has real potential, but it's going to take a bit of time to adjust to his new position.

And Norf is the answer, if the question is, who's the most incompetent coach to ever have gotten multiple chances?

You call those chances?!? Working for 'lil' Danny Snyder after Farty was fired or working for Al Davis?!? No coach would stand a chance. Norf is one of the most brilliant offensive play callers in NFL history. His ability to delegate is also a major plus.
Just because he doesn’t shake pom-poms or chew out players on the sideline doesn’t diminish his skills as an offensive guru.
Look at the major games the Chargers have lost in the playoffs and tell me where it was Norf’s fault and Haley would have done a better job. Haley would have kicked the 3 missed FGs that Keading missed? Oh sure, He would have screamed at Keading before he kicked them and that would have solved everything.
The attitude against Norf is unfounded.

[Gadzooks]

Well I guess milkman's gone to bed.

[BoltWalt]

Charger defense is going to struggle with the loss of Ron Rivera.


Rivera is a good coach, but Rivera is not a three four guy, I hear he is going back to the four three in Carolina. Greg Manusky is the defensive coordinator now and I hear he is more comfortable with the three four defense. Rivera was quoted as coming to San Diego to learn the three four defense to build his resume towards landing a head coaching job. Now that he is a head coach he is going back to a four three defense. So I have heard.

[007]

I don't like Cassel all that much, but some of you guys act like you've never seen Cassel even complete a pass. Did you guys hate Bono and Grbac this much, because he's better than those losers imo.
Yep
Better than bad does not equal good.
Zactly

[007]

So what would prefer, for ONE year. 2-14 or 9-7?

It's a good thing you were not around for the Chiefs of the mid 70's and 80's.

I would rather live through a group of bad years rebuilding then go back to being just good enough to not win the important games.

[BoltWalt]

BTW in line with the original intent for this thread I believe Cassel is a fine QB which will make the AFC West very exciting for many years to come. Stick with Cassel, Six years ago the Chargers let Brees walk and he won a Super Bowl without the Bolts and I wonder if the Chargers would not have won one of their own if they had kept Brees. At the time I thought it was a crime to let him go and depend on Philip Rivers, since I have come to believe Rivers is just as fine a QB (if not better). I am very happy the Bolts QB is Rivers, and once he wins a Super Bowl he will be heralded as one of the best in the NFL.

[MahiMike]

Matt's a really good dude.

[milkman]

He's really giving Marty a run, yes.

I don't believe that Norvel is giving Marty a run for his money in incompentency, because I don't believe that Marty is/was incompetent.

Marty had all the tools to be one of the great coaches in the NFL.
Leader, motivator, teacher.
He instilled toughness and discipline.

He had just one major flaw.
He was a afraid to risk failure to achieve success.

He didn't sieze opportunity.
Opportunity siezed him.

Had he not played not to lose when the playoffs rolled around, he would have lead his teams to at least a couple of SB wins, and he would be revered and respected on the same level as a Bill Parcells.

That flaw is why I hated Marty.
He wasted SB calibre teams.

You call those chances?!? Working for 'lil' Danny Snyder after Farty was fired or working for Al Davis?!? No coach would stand a chance. Norf is one of the most brilliant offensive play callers in NFL history. His ability to delegate is also a major plus.
Just because he doesn’t shake pom-poms or chew out players on the sideline doesn’t diminish his skills as an offensive guru.
Look at the major games the Chargers have lost in the playoffs and tell me where it was Norf’s fault and Haley would have done a better job. Haley would have kicked the 3 missed FGs that Keading missed? Oh sure, He would have screamed at Keading before he kicked them and that would have solved everything.
The attitude against Norf is unfounded.

I know about Norvel's offensive resume, but his teams underachieve.
He lacks the ability to lead and to motivate.
He fails to inspire, and his teams play uninspired.

Rivera is a good coach, but Rivera is not a three four guy, I hear he is going back to the four three in Carolina. Greg Manusky is the defensive coordinator now and I hear he is more comfortable with the three four defense. Rivera was quoted as coming to San Diego to learn the three four defense to build his resume towards landing a head coaching job. Now that he is a head coach he is going back to a four three defense. So I have heard.

I am very familiar with Rivera's resume.
The guy can coach, whether it's as an assistant under Jim Johnson, or the DC in the Tampa Two in Chicago, or the 34 in San Diego.
His players are put in position to succeed.

When Herman fucking Edwards was fired, I really wanted the Chiefs to seriously look at Rivera for the job.