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ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 04:56 PM
AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

Filed to ESPN: two sides agreed to new Rookie Pay System. Still i's to dot, t's to cross on rookie system, but it's not impediment to deal.

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 04:57 PM
This was in that one thread.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 04:58 PM
This was in that one thread.

Nope this just happened this is big.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 04:59 PM
Still alotta shit to do. Deal won't be don by July 15 http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5276/91675221.png

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 05:00 PM
Still alotta shit to do. Deal won't be don by July 15 http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5276/91675221.png

Deal will be done tomorrow wanna bet.

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 05:00 PM
How big is this?

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 05:02 PM
Deal will be done tomorrow wanna bet.

Sure.

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 05:03 PM
I'd take that bet. No way this is done tomorrow. I doubt we'll have a full season.

Bugeater
07-14-2011, 05:04 PM
I'd take that bet. No way this is done tomorrow. I doubt we'll have a full season.
YOU SHUT THE HELL UP

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 05:04 PM
I'd take that bet. No way this is done tomorrow. I doubt we'll have a full season.

This was the last big issue all little things left.

Hammock Parties
07-14-2011, 05:05 PM
My sources say the deal is done.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 05:05 PM
My sources say the deal is done.

So we're a few weeks off.

bevischief
07-14-2011, 05:11 PM
They are buying homes in Leawood.

bowener
07-14-2011, 05:22 PM
They are buying homes in Leawood.

Out of curiosity, what do you estimate the population of Leawood to be by now? I should really try and buy up some houses over there to flip.

|Zach|
07-14-2011, 05:23 PM
I feel great about is getting this done in time for nothing huge and major to be impacted but this shit isn't getting done tomorrow.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 05:26 PM
AlbertBreerAlbert Breer

My understanding is concessions came on both sides, on rookie deal. Owners gave on Year 5 $$, it seems. Players gave on renegotiation rules.

|Zach|
07-14-2011, 05:27 PM
It would be astounding to see the billable hours for the lawyers on both sides of this NFL labor issue.

bowener
07-14-2011, 05:29 PM
It would be astounding to see the billable hours for the lawyers on both sides of this NFL labor issue.

How do retainers work?

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 05:29 PM
MarkMaskeMarkMaske
The full agreement in principle still could take a little longer. There are a few issues left. But it is within reach Friday.


MarkMaskeMarkMaske

The NFL and players now appear on the cusp of an agreement in principle to end the lockout, with their virtual deal on rookie pay.

Brock
07-14-2011, 05:32 PM
A deal is not close sources say /tomorrow

MIAdragon
07-14-2011, 07:00 PM
It would be astounding to see the billable hours for the lawyers on both sides of this NFL labor issue.

I know for the NFL side they are paid salary at-least the one I'm familiar with is.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 07:20 PM
mortreportChris Mortensen





Sal Paolantonio also reporting that settlement is on fast track....

|Zach|
07-14-2011, 07:20 PM
I know for the NFL side they are paid salary at-least the one I'm familiar with is.

Absolutely could be the case.

|Zach|
07-14-2011, 07:21 PM
A deal is not close sources say /tomorrow

Haha. Yea.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 07:25 PM
mortreportChris Mortensen

Intriguing twist just reported: Overhaul of arbitration system being negotiated, panel of ex-judges could review even commish discipline

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 07:27 PM
mortreportChris Mortensen

Intriguing twist just reported: Overhaul of arbitration system being negotiated, panel of ex-judges could review even commish discipline

Excellent.

seaofred
07-14-2011, 07:31 PM
Sounds like a "handshake" deal might be tonight.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 07:32 PM
Sounds like a "handshake" deal might be tonight.








mortreportChris Mortensen

RT @Curry_Brandon93: @mortreport how much longer til at least a agreement in principle. >> At this pace, could be within 24-48 hrs.

KCwolf
07-14-2011, 07:40 PM
I'd take that bet. No way this is done tomorrow. I doubt we'll have a full season.

I would love a wager on the full season opinion you have......

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 07:41 PM
My sources say the deal is done.

ROFL

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49858_642775833_2830_n.jpg

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 07:42 PM
I would love a wager on the full season opinion you have......

I'd take the tomorrow bet, but you just called my bluff on the full season thing. I don't see this going that far, but then again, I didn't think it'd go this far.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 07:44 PM
I'm loving this news though.

There was a point awhile back where I seriously thought the real season would be in jeopardy.

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 07:45 PM
I'm loving this news though.

There was a point awhile back where I seriously thought the real season would be in jeopardy.

This morning?

Discuss Thrower
07-14-2011, 07:50 PM
GUYS I juuuuuust heard Kendrell Bell was last seen chartering a plane to KCI

BossChief
07-14-2011, 07:53 PM
This morning?

About a month ago.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 07:57 PM
UPDATE 9:50PM ET - Clayton is now reporting (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6768521/nfl-lockout-owners-players-moving-towards-cba-settlement-source-says) that the two sides have agreed to set the 2011 salary cap at $120 million with a salary floor close to 100 percent of that number, while Sal Paolantonio says an agreement is close at hand

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/agreement-on-rookie-wage-scale-reportedly-reached

Mr. Arrowhead
07-14-2011, 07:59 PM
anybody know what the salary cap was last year?

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 08:00 PM
OH MY GOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 08:01 PM
OH MY GOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING

GOD PLEASE LET IT CONCLUDE.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 08:03 PM
anybody know what the salary cap was last year?

It's a good thing for you Danes not around any longer.

Iirc it was around 135 in 09.

Interesting they dropped it...

Mr. Arrowhead
07-14-2011, 08:04 PM
It's a good thing for you Danes not around any longer.

Iirc it was around 135 in 09.

Interesting they dropped it...

then thats prolly why the floor is gonna be close to a 100 percent

BossChief
07-14-2011, 08:05 PM
Lots of teams are gonna have to cut good players to get under that number.

This could be VERY advantageous for us if that report is true.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 08:12 PM
Were we at 70 or 80 mil? How many good players can that get us? http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2631/obamahmmw.png

wazu
07-14-2011, 08:15 PM
UPDATE 9:50PM ET - Clayton is now reporting (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6768521/nfl-lockout-owners-players-moving-towards-cba-settlement-source-says) that the two sides have agreed to set the 2011 salary cap at $120 million with a salary floor close to 100 percent of that number, while Sal Paolantonio says an agreement is close at hand

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/agreement-on-rookie-wage-scale-reportedly-reached

Wow. Could it be possible that the NFL is going to get BETTER after all of this insanity?

Brock
07-14-2011, 08:17 PM
These were the latest figures I could find. 9/2010

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/

milkman
07-14-2011, 08:17 PM
UPDATE 9:50PM ET - Clayton is now reporting (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6768521/nfl-lockout-owners-players-moving-towards-cba-settlement-source-says) that the two sides have agreed to set the 2011 salary cap at $120 million with a salary floor close to 100 percent of that number, while Sal Paolantonio says an agreement is close at hand

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/agreement-on-rookie-wage-scale-reportedly-reached

That 120 mil number almost has to be a misprint.

I bet that is actually supposed to be the floor.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 08:18 PM
That 120 mil number almost has to be a misprint.

I bet that is actually supposed to be the floor.

Nah last cap in 09 was 123

milkman
07-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Nah last cap in 09 was 123

And we are to believe that the players have agreed to let that number decrease?

I could well be wrong, but that's difficult to believe.

wazu
07-14-2011, 08:20 PM
That 120 mil number almost has to be a misprint.

I bet that is actually supposed to be the floor.

I thought the same thing at first, but that seems unlikely given that it's still posted on ESPN. Jerry Jones must be rolling over in his grave.

Okie_Apparition
07-14-2011, 08:25 PM
Snyder is going to have to cut a bitch, or two

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:26 PM
And we are to believe that the players have agreed to let that number decrease?

I could well be wrong, but that's difficult to believe.

Maybe they are thinking that the players will actually get more money overall if the floor (close to 100% of that) is enforced.

seaofred
07-14-2011, 08:26 PM
That 120 mil number almost has to be a misprint.

I bet that is actually supposed to be the floor.

Nope it's 120 mil plus another 21 mil in benefits. This is the amount the OWNERS offered in March!

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:27 PM
I posted a list of NFL payrolls in one of these threads, something like "What Would Cap numbers Be If There Was A Cap?"

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:27 PM
Nope it's 120 mil plus another 21 mil in benefits. This is the amount the OWNERS offered in March!


I don't get what they mean by benefits.

seaofred
07-14-2011, 08:29 PM
I don't get what they mean by benefits.

I'm guessing insurance for current players and retired players pension.

milkman
07-14-2011, 08:29 PM
I don't get what they mean by benefits.

I was about to post the same thing.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:30 PM
I'm guessing insurance for current players and retired players pension.


Then that sounds like the owners were artificially inflating cap numbers with that stuff.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/

2010 Salary numbers:

Redskins: $178.2 million.
Cowboys: $166.5 million.
Saints: $145.0 million.
Vikings: $143.4 million.
Seahawks: $138.8 million.
Jets: $135.7 million.
Packers: $135.3 million.
Raiders: $135.2 million.
Colts: $133.1 million.
Bears: $131.9 million.
Eagles: $131.0 million.
Patriots: $128.8 million.
Giants: $128.6 million.
49ers: $125.9 million.
Dolphins: $123.8 million.
Texans: $123.1 million.
Lions: $122.9 million.
Steelers: $122.9 million.
Browns: $122.8 million.
Ravens: $122.3 million.
Falcons: $118.5 million.
Titans: $118.0 million.
Panthers: $110.9 million.
Rams: $109.1 million.
Chargers: $108.0 million.
Bills: $105.3 million.
Broncos: $102.9 million.
Bengals: $100.8 million.
Cardinals: $97.8 million.
Jaguars: $89.5 million.
Chiefs: $84.5 million.
Buccaneers: $80.8 million

Here's the post.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Yeah, 12 teams would be under 120 MIL, including 3/4 of the AFC West. If 120 is the cap and the floor this year (or close to it) then the wealth will be spread around more.

Mr. Arrowhead
07-14-2011, 08:35 PM
wow the Redskins and Cowboys are fucked lol

milkman
07-14-2011, 08:37 PM
wow the Redskins and Cowboys are ****ed lol

My heart is breaking.

007
07-14-2011, 08:38 PM
My wife is upset.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:38 PM
wow the Redskins and Cowboys are ****ed lol


Actually that's what I wanted the Broncos to do. Frontload the living hell out of some contracts so we could get guys paid and then have them play for much less form 2011 on out. Unfortunately our team is in rebuild so it's hard to identify anyone to overpay and our owner doesn't have great cashflow. I see it as a missed opportunity.

chefsos
07-14-2011, 08:39 PM
Here's the post.If those numbers are the same this year (and obviously, they won't be) I see about $300 million combined over the proposed new cap. Holy shit.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 08:39 PM
wow the Redskins and Cowboys are ****ed lol

Remember that those numbers are from last year. Some teams crammed money into 2010.

Also, the Patriots are under the $120 million number. From Miguel's site:

According to my figures the Patriots' 2011 cap figure is for $113,826,578 with 76 signed or tendered players.

http://www.patscap.com/

2bikemike
07-14-2011, 08:39 PM
All I can say is lets get this crap wrapped up and get on with the business of preparing for the season.

Nice to hear that one of the major sticking point has been agreed to. Now they need to put this shaky SOB to bed

BossChief
07-14-2011, 08:41 PM
A lot of those figures are due to "dead money" and an earlier report stated those amounts don't count against you anymore.

I'd love to see a real list with those things taken into account.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm not even going to try and figure out how much we'd have if we re-sign Bowe, Hali, Flowers, and Carr.

007
07-14-2011, 08:45 PM
A lot of those figures are due to "dead money" and an earlier report stated those amounts don't count against you anymore.

I'd love to see a real list with those things taken into account.

You can say that again.:D

BossChief
07-14-2011, 08:49 PM
I'm not even going to try and figure out how much we'd have if we re-sign Bowe, Hali, Flowers, and Carr.

It will probably take up between 25-30 million to do it.

+6.5~ for Carr
+7.5~ for Flowers
+6-7~ for Hali
+6~ or so to Bowe (as he already makes a good chunk)

Those are my guesses

We will probably be about 34 million under the 120 number before those are done.

I wonder how Charles and DJs deals were worked...more specifically, how much of their guaranteed money counts against 2011

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:49 PM
A lot of those figures are due to "dead money" and an earlier report stated those amounts don't count against you anymore.

I'd love to see a real list with those things taken into account.


Yeah, no kidding. Without an actual cap in place the teams must not have had to report everything and that would have made it harder to get areal number. I don't know though. I haven't even tried finding any figures for this year.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:50 PM
I really hope they increase roster size.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 08:51 PM
"Sal Paolantonio of ESPN (via Chris Mortensen’s Twitter page) reports that a settlement is now on the fast track. Chris Mortensen of ESPN (via Chris Mortensen’s Twitter page) reports that, at the current pace, a deal could come within the next 24-to-48 hours."

Kinda hope the deal is done at 12:01 Sat so I can win the bet.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Tweet from Chris Mortenson:

Negotiating teams breaking up on very positive note for the night, to be continued tomorrow per source about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/91689506121596928) via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/#%21/download/iphone)

listopencil
07-14-2011, 08:54 PM
"Sal Paolantonio of ESPN (via Chris Mortensenís Twitter page) reports that a settlement is now on the fast track. Chris Mortensen of ESPN (via Chris Mortensenís Twitter page) reports that, at the current pace, a deal could come within the next 24-to-48 hours."

Kinda hope the deal is done at 12:01 Sat so I can win the bet.


I've been saying July 15th. The 16th would be fine, I didn't put any money on it.

Priest31kc
07-14-2011, 08:54 PM
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
A lot of heavy lifting done. Cap will be around $123M, with certain new exceptions and credits making it "feel" more like $130/team


JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Still left to be resolved - right of 1st refusal on veteran free agents, if and how NFLPA reforms, worker's comp issues, injury guarantees..


mortreport Chris Mortensen
Clayton also reports there are discussions for a player exemption up to $3 mill this yr. Cap of $120m down from $128m in 2009.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 08:54 PM
JasonLaCanfora
A lot of heavy lifting done. Cap will be around $123M, with certain new exceptions and credits making it "feel" more like $130/team
12 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerryģ

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 08:54 PM
"Sal Paolantonio of ESPN (via Chris Mortensenís Twitter page) reports that a settlement is now on the fast track. Chris Mortensen of ESPN (via Chris Mortensenís Twitter page) reports that, at the current pace, a deal could come within the next 24-to-48 hours."

Kinda hope the deal is done at 12:01 Sat so I can win the bet.

America, fuck yeah.

Finish this shit.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 09:01 PM
It's also very advantageous to us that Pioli was brought in during one part of the negotiations and that Clark Hunt has been there the whole time. That should give us a leg up on the competition as far as preparation goes when this thing kicks off.

Dave Lane
07-14-2011, 09:03 PM
Out of curiosity, what do you estimate the population of Leawood to be by now? I should really try and buy up some houses over there to flip.

Hey I'll sell mine for the right price. Comes with a movable roof observatory!

listopencil
07-14-2011, 09:12 PM
It's also very advantageous to us that Pioli was brought in during one part of the negotiations and that Clark Hunt has been there the whole time. That should give us a leg up on the competition as far as preparation goes when this thing kicks off.

It's very advantageous to us that Bowlen forgot about the meeting so he didn't show up drunk with a couple of whores and queer the whole deal.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:13 PM
It's very advantageous to us that Bowlen forgot about the meeting so he didn't show up drunk with a couple of whores and queer the whole deal.

Hell, that might have helped with some players

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 09:15 PM
Source: 'It's almost over'


Posted on: July 14, 2011 10:34 pm


A source with direct knowledge of the talks between owners and players describes them this way:

"We're at the half-yard line. The ball was just snapped. Now we gotta punch it in."

Excuse the football cliche but it was the official's way of saying this: this deal is all but done. Unless there is a massive amount of subterfuge that would make the CIA blush, the negotiations should be completed within the next 24-48 hours. A handshake agreement, I'm told, could come this weekend or early next week at the latest.

When the two sides reached firm agreements on the rookie wage scale and salary cap number over a 13-hour marathon meeting -- the cap will be around $120 million, I'm told -- some of the other issues fell quickly into place.

There are no more major sticking points. Just some minor to mid-major. One is judicial oversight of the CBA. The owners have long hated the courts having jurisdiction. Contrary to reports that has yet to be finalized.

But, now, mostly, lawyers are performing a close examination of the language of the 500-plus page document and cleaning up a few details.

I was also told that NFLPA leader DeMaurice Smith and Roger Goodell, commissioner, have discussed how they are going to address the media at the completion of a deal. But the source couldn't determine when exactly they had this discussion.

It's almost done. It's just about over. The only thing left is the touchdown dance.

Or, if you prefer, the only thing left is to hand the football to the ref post-score.

listopencil
07-14-2011, 09:16 PM
Hell, that might have helped with some players

I love Bowlen, he's like a crazy rich uncle. I know he has weaknesses but he has a lot of strengths too. He's getting older now and putting together a Front Office that (hopefully) won't need him around. He's still pimptastic though.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:17 PM
In advance:

We're about to learn a lot about Pioli. If he is indeed worthy of being the highest-paid GM in the league, he should have his shit together, and the Chiefs should be well positioned to act decisively when business resumes in the NFL.

No excuses (though I anticipate seeing many: The lockout was scary!! He didn't have his team in place!!! It's an evaluation lockout!!!). Results or GTFO.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:19 PM
HOF Game, please happen.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 09:19 PM
" this deal is all but done. "

I ROFL d

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:19 PM
In advance:

We're about to learn a lot about Pioli. If he is indeed worthy of being the highest-paid GM in the league, he should have his shit together, and the Chiefs should be well positioned to act decisively when business resumes in the NFL.

No excuses (though I anticipate seeing many: The lockout was scary!! He didn't have his team in place!!! It's an evaluation lockout!!!). Results or GTFO.

Depends upon what you mean by decisively, I guess. His standard M.O. has not been to join the feeding frenzy over free agents, for example.

Results have already been seen, with a 2 win team getting to 10 wins.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:21 PM
Depends upon what you mean by decisively, I guess. His standard M.O. has not been to join the feeding frenzy over free agents, for example.

My version of "decisively": making astute moves that benefit the organization, both in the short and long term. I don't care if I (and others) disagree at the time. He's paid to prove that I'm clueless.

'09? Not so much.
'10? Yep.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:22 PM
My version of "decisively": making astute moves that benefit the organization, both in the short and long term. I don't care if I (and others) disagree at the time. He's paid to prove that I'm clueless.

He's already done that in 2 short years. Just how clueless does he need to prove you?

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:25 PM
He's already done that in 2 short years. Just how clueless does he need to prove you?

He was a ****ing abomination in '09. If you can't see that, I'm sorry.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 09:25 PM
In advance:

We're about to learn a lot about Pioli. If he is indeed worthy of being the highest-paid GM in the league, he should have his shit together, and the Chiefs should be well positioned to act decisively when business resumes in the NFL.

No excuses (though I anticipate seeing many: The lockout was scary!! He didn't have his team in place!!! It's an evaluation lockout!!!). Results or GTFO.

Only to an extent though.

No matter how prepared he is to get it kicked off, that doesn't mean he should make dash decisions...he needs to have a plan and execute it.

I know some disagree with this stance, but I want to see us lock up our up and coming stars before getting too serious about free agents.

I would LOVE for us to make a trade for a guy like Solali (sp?) from Miami though, as it seems from multiple posts that they may be pushing the cap limit and may want to get something in return for him.

I'd rather trade for a guy like him over signing a guy like Franklin.

I agree we should definetly have the upper hand because of having a "GM of the decade"...so far, he has done a good job here.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:29 PM
Only to an extent though.

No matter how prepared he is to get it kicked off, that doesn't mean he should make dash decisions...he needs to have a plan and execute it.

I know some disagree with this stance, but I want to see us lock up our up and coming stars before getting too serious about free agents.

I would LOVE for us to make a trade for a guy like Solali (sp?) from Miami though, as it seems from multiple posts that they may be pushing the cap limit and may want to get something in return for him.

I'd rather trade for a guy like him over signing a guy like Franklin.

I agree we should definetly have the upper hand because of having a "GM of the decade"...so far, he has done a good job here.

Absolutely. "Decisively" and "rash" are definitely not synonyms.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-14-2011, 09:33 PM
JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora





And thus in this new model league-wide spending to be pegged at close to 99 percent of cap. Could be some tweaks coming with franchise...

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Few more notes on the cap - no limit on "cash over cap" spending (teams spend more real-time $ than cap $ - remember prorated deals...

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:33 PM
He was a ****ing abomination in '09. If you can't see that, I'm sorry.

First, he got the team its QB and brought in helpful veterans. That's only an abomination to the clueless. Second, I was talking about 2 years. It's idiotic to continually grade GMs on a year-to-year basis, which is why I asked just how clueless he has to prove you.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:39 PM
First, he got the team its QB and brought in helpful veterans. That's only an abomination to the clueless. Second, I was talking about 2 years. It's idiotic to continually grade GMs on a year-to-year basis, which is why I asked just how clueless he has to prove you.

First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.

KurtCobain
07-14-2011, 09:41 PM
First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.

Scrubs win 10 games all the time, right?

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:41 PM
First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.

I don't think Cassel is great by any means, but I don't think he's a scrub.

I think he's league average.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 09:41 PM
Absolutely. "Decisively" and "rash" are definitely not synonyms.

The way I see it panning out is to re-sign Carr and Hali...let Bowe play out and franchise hmm next year and extend his deal or trade him at that point, depending how "on track he stayed over the course of another year in the spotlight".

I bet Flowers gets extended too, but it may take a little bit for that one because he has injury concerns that I'm sure the team wants to see progress on before giving him a huge deal.

If thats the case, it would leave us with 10-12 million to spend in free agency to fill a few holes.

I know for a fact that they weren't far off of signing Hali to a long term deal before the lockout and he should be the first chip to fall.

If this is done right, we should be able to have another good offseason without restrictions next year, as Cassels contract becomes cheap as he'll after this year and that should give us a nice wad to work with.

If we lock up those guys and add somebody to bolster the OL and NT spots and possibly pick up a few vets for competition/depth and we could be much improved due to this new deal.

Or he could fall flat on his face and make our kids want to walk and then be left having to make desperation decisions that Hirt the club.

Time will tell

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:42 PM
First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.

Bullshit, but that's an argument not worth worrying about. If you want to keep wearing the blinders, that's your choice.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 09:42 PM
Matt Cassel = Scrub

But everyone wants to sign Drew Stanton whos stats are nothing but fucking pathetic would be a great signing.

Only on Chiefsplanet.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:43 PM
Scrubs win 10 games all the time, right?

Football is a team sport. Assigning wins to a QB is meaningless. Cassel could throw 3 INTs in one game and the Chiefs could still win.

Does that mean Cassel deserves all the credit for the win?

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:43 PM
Scrubs win 10 games all the time, right?

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won SBs.

kcxiv
07-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won SBs.

I sure wouldnt fucking mind Matt Cassel's name added to that scrub list.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Bullshit, but that's an argument not worth worrying about. If you want to keep wearing the blinders, that's your choice.

Blinders, my ass.

You're the dumbfuck that can't see what the hell your dumb ass is looking at.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:45 PM
Matt Cassel = Scrub

But everyone wants to sign Drew Stanton whos stats are nothing but ****ing pathetic would be a great signing.

Only on Chiefsplanet.

Stanton is solid back up material.

That's what we want from him.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:45 PM
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won SBs.

They were decent the years they won the Super Bowl, no?

Cassel isn't a great QB by any means, but he isn't a scrub.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:45 PM
Blinders, my ass.

You're the dumb**** that can't see what the hell your dumb ass is looking at.

Yeah, I got Pioli all wrong, for example.

You just keep spouting bullshit.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:46 PM
Yeah, I got Pioli all wrong, for example.

You just keep spouting bullshit.

Yeah, cause that soft schedule last year was a true measure of this team's progress.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:47 PM
Yeah, cause that soft schedule last year was a true measure of this team's progress.

So did the Bucs make any progress with the schedule they had?

kysirsoze
07-14-2011, 09:47 PM
Excuse the football cliche but it was the official's way of saying this: this deal is all but done. Unless there is a massive amount of subterfuge that would make the CIA blush, the negotiations should be completed within the next 24-48 hours. A handshake agreement, I'm told, could come this weekend or early next week at the latest.



http://i51.tinypic.com/2dr78lt.jpg

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 09:48 PM
Stanton is solid back up material.

That's what we want from him.

That guy couldn't even beat out Shaun Hill. He's won like 2 games as a starter playing good in 1 of them.

Don't call Cassel a scrub then advocate bringing in that turd.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:48 PM
Yeah, cause that soft schedule last year was a true measure of this team's progress.

If you couldn't see the team's progress, regardless of the schedule and record, you're blind.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 09:49 PM
It's idiotic to continually grade GMs on a year-to-year basis you.LOLWUT?

First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.
We both know thats not true.

Scrubs don't really show promise. Cassel did that much.

He may not have the physical tools we want, but he does have a lot of the other ones required for a lot of success.

Now it's time for him to put it all together.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:50 PM
First, he got the team its QB and brought in helpful veterans. That's only an abomination to the clueless. Second, I was talking about 2 years. It's idiotic to continually grade GMs on a year-to-year basis, which is why I asked just how clueless he has to prove you.

Yes, that QB and those "helpful" veterans were essential in securing a weak schedule in '10. Pioli!!!

The man still has much to prove when separated from the Hoodie's sack.

Edit: And I see that others have begun to address my first point.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 09:50 PM
In advance:

We're about to learn a lot about Pioli. If he is indeed worthy of being the highest-paid GM in the league, he should have his shit together, and the Chiefs should be well positioned to act decisively when business resumes in the NFL.

No excuses (though I anticipate seeing many: The lockout was scary!! He didn't have his team in place!!! It's an evaluation lockout!!!). Results or GTFO.

First, that QB he went out and got hasn't proven he's anything more than a scrub.

QUIT BESMIRCHING OUR HOLY NEW ENGLAND OVERLORD IN FRONT OF THE NEW ENGLAND FANS, PLEASE!

LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 09:52 PM
Yes, that QB and those "helpful" veterans were essential in securing a weak schedule in '10. Pioli!!!

The man still has much to prove when separated from the Hoodie's sack.

Edit: And I see that others have begun to address my first point.

Don't worry:

Any shortcomings we point out will quickly be swept right to Todd Haley's front door.

Count...

On...

It.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:52 PM
If you couldn't see the team's progress, regardless of the schedule and record, you're blind.

I didn't say I didn't see progress.

I said that the schedule didn't allow for us to see the true measure of progress.

I realize that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:52 PM
QUIT BESMIRCHING OUR HOLY NEW ENGLAND OVERLORD IN FRONT OF THE NEW ENGLAND FANS, PLEASE!

LMAO

And keep on fucking doubting the Rams.

;)

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:54 PM
I didn't say I didn't see progress.

I said that the schedule didn't allow for us to see the true measure of progress.

I realize that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.

I'm not having problems grasping concepts. You're having problems pulling your head out of your ass about Cassel, and then trying to minimize what Pioli accomplished with that "true measure" bullshit.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:54 PM
LOLWUT?


We both know thats not true.

Scrubs don't really show promise. Cassel did that much.

He may not have the physical tools we want, but he does have a lot of the other ones required for a lot of success.

Now it's time for him to put it all together.

I have been fair in an assessment of Cassel's performance, I think.

Until some of that promise shows in games against teams that are something more than bottom feeders who are lucky enough to be in bottom feeding divisions, then that's not a real indication of promise.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:54 PM
bolster the OL and NT spots

Two biggest areas of need right now. We're in agreement.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:55 PM
Yes, that QB and those "helpful" veterans were essential in securing a weak schedule in '10. Pioli!!!

The man still has much to prove when separated from the Hoodie's sack.

Edit: And I see that others have begun to address my first point.

Yes, the same people who, like you, have gotten it wrong from the jump continue to get it wrong.

Not exactly shocking.

milkman
07-14-2011, 09:55 PM
I'm not having problems grasping concepts. You're having problems pulling your head out of your ass about Cassel, and then trying to minimize what Pioli accomplished with that "true measure" bullshit.

You tell me when he plays a good game against a good team.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 09:56 PM
You tell me when he plays a good game against a good team.

I can't wait to see if we add any more pieces on offense. Maybe his star WR will show up?

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:56 PM
I'm not having problems grasping concepts. You're having problems pulling your head out of your ass about Cassel, and then trying to minimize what Pioli accomplished with that "true measure" bullshit.

In two short years, Pioli led the Chiefs to the playoffs. In other words, he did in two years what Herm Edwards did in one, right? With fucking Huard at the helm, no less. Is this right or wrong?

So let's wait a bit on the "progress" talk.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 09:57 PM
You tell me when he plays a good game against a good team.

Define "good".

8-8 or better?

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 09:57 PM
You tell me when he plays a good game against a good team.

Define "good"

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 09:58 PM
I expect to see some "Clutch" from Cassel now that Zorn is here and his receivers are legit.

BigMeatballDave
07-14-2011, 09:59 PM
In advance:

We're about to learn a lot about Pioli. If he is indeed worthy of being the highest-paid GM in the league, he should have his shit together, and the Chiefs should be well positioned to act decisively when business resumes in the NFL.

No excuses (though I anticipate seeing many: The lockout was scary!! He didn't have his team in place!!! It's an evaluation lockout!!!). Results or GTFO.I hope you don't think he's gonna jump out and throw cash at the most popular names available. Frankly, I would be shocked if he did that. Disappointed, also.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 09:59 PM
Yes, the same people who, like you, have gotten it wrong from the jump continue to get it wrong.

Not exactly shocking.

LMAO. Passive aggressive Pats fans with an interest(?) in watching former Pats executives are such a welcome addition to our board.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
Yes, the same people who, like you, have gotten it wrong from the jump continue to get it wrong.

Not exactly shocking.

Gotten it wrong from the jump? You are delusional.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
In two short years, Pioli led the Chiefs to the playoffs. In other words, he did in two years what Herm Edwards did in one, right? With ****ing Huard at the helm, no less. Is this right or wrong?

So let's wait a bit on the "progress" talk.

Edwards took a 10 win team to 9 wins in his first year, then to 4 and then to 2.

Pioli took a 2 win team and took it to 4 wins, and then to 10.

You're being even more ridiculous than you were last year.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
In two short years, Pioli led the Chiefs to the playoffs. In other words, he did in two years what Herm Edwards did in one, right? With ****ing Huard at the helm, no less. Is this right or wrong?

So let's wait a bit on the "progress" talk.

You're not giving Pioli enough credit. Herm took a team to the playoffs that went 10-6 the year before. Pioli took a team that won 10 games the 3 previous years.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
I hope you don't think he's gonna jump out and throw cash at the most popular names available. Frankly, I would be shocked if he did that. Disappointed, also.

I don't expect or want him to.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
I hope you don't think he's gonna jump out and throw cash at the most popular names available. Frankly, I would be shocked if he did that. Disappointed, also.

No. I expect astute, sound decisions. In short, everything that he didn't do in '09.

We should be better positioned than any team in the NFL because we have the best GM.

Titty Meat
07-14-2011, 10:01 PM
I hope you don't think he's gonna jump out and throw cash at the most popular names available. Frankly, I would be shocked if he did that. Disappointed, also.

Teams have to be at 120 million. How else are they gonna get there?

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 10:01 PM
Teams have to be at 120 million. How else are they gonna get there?

Trade for everyone on the Redskins that is actually good.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Edwards took a 10 win team to 9 wins in his first year, then to 4 and then to 2.

Pioli took a 2 win team and took it to 4 wins, and then to 10.

You're being even more ridiculous than you were last year.

With Damon Huard, no less. An absolute coaching miracle. You think you know more than the people in the NFL who ask Coach Edwards to address the rookies because of his 30+ years experience? Clueless and embarrassing.

milkman
07-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Define "good"

I need to define "good" for you?

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 10:03 PM
I need to define "good" for you?

In three letters or less.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:03 PM
Teams have to be at 120 million. How else are they gonna get there?

Just a note on this, from La Canfora:

@DavisHsuSeattle no, individual teams must spent 90% of that and leaguewide it is pegged to 99 percent of that figure

http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

We're counting on his info now, so this seems a good place to post this.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:04 PM
Assuming we have a season, and for the record:

I don't blame Zorn.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 10:04 PM
I need to define "good" for you?

Could I say Cassel had a good game against the Chargers since they are a good team that had implosions on Special Teams and had a top 3 defense statistically in the NFL in 2010?

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:04 PM
I need to define "good" for you?

In order to be sure that we can reach agreement on what makes a team good, of course you do. You're not so mentally challenged that you didn't already know that.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:05 PM
With Damon Huard, no less. An absolute coaching miracle. You think you know more than the people in the NFL who ask Coach Edwards to address the rookies because of his 30+ years experience? Clueless and embarrassing.

Yes, that's precisely what your posts have been.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 10:06 PM
This "no/not much progress" talk is insane.

Can someone post the roster from 09 please.

That cupboard was fucking empty.

Through the coaches Pioli brought in, the players he drafted and the free agents he signed Pioli has done a damn good job inturning over and churning this roster from the bottom to the top.

I just hope he can sustain what he has done the last two offseasons (the draft for this one so far)

These last two drafts were grand slam homeruns IMO.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:07 PM
A certain rookie and 2nd year QB won a playoff game(s).

Stirring...stirring....;)

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:09 PM
This "no/not much progress" talk is insane.

Can someone post the roster from 09 please.

That cupboard was fucking empty.

Through the coaches Pioli brought in, the players he drafted and the free agents he signed Pioli has done a damn good job inturning over and churning this roster from the bottom to the top.

I just hope he can sustain what he has done the last two offseasons (the draft for this one so far)

These last two drafts were grand slam homeruns IMO.

Dude, the last two drafts were good for us no doubt, but his first time at bat was a complete, runny, diahrretic, New England Incestual Turd Festival.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 10:10 PM
A certain rookie and 2nd year QB won a playoff game(s).

Stirring...stirring....;)

Wins should be a team stat, not a QB one.

A QB alone does not alone win a game.

21 other guys plus 15-22 guys do, too.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:14 PM
Wins should be a team stat, not a QB one.

A QB alone does not alone win a game.

21 other guys plus 15-22 guys do, too.

You are correct. And just like Cassel( minus those clutch throws, few as they might have been but important when they occured ), Sanchez had to rely on his team and his defense to give him opportunities and bail his ass out.

Brock
07-14-2011, 10:16 PM
Wins should be a team stat, not a QB one.

A QB alone does not alone win a game.

21 other guys plus 15-22 guys do, too.

Easy to say when you've got Sam fucking Bradford.

Dave Lane
07-14-2011, 10:19 PM
Easy to say when you've got Sam ****ing Bradford.

But he's a system guy and a spread QB so really it's certain he's going to wash out.

Rams Fan
07-14-2011, 10:21 PM
Easy to say when you've got Sam ****ing Bradford.

When the Rams were trying to baby in Bradford by not going for long passes, I could see an actual team working as one.

Without the Rams OT, Jackson and Amendola, Bradford would've been fucked.

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 10:22 PM
Yes, that's precisely what your posts have been.

I'm confounded. How could I possible respond cogently to the "I know you are but what am I" post?

Just simmer down. When you stop reading this thread, your fleshlight will still be named Scott, and everything will be cool. In the interim, adults are posting.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 10:22 PM
You tell me when he plays a good game against a good team.All we could ask for going into the season with Cassel was to see marked improvement over what we saw from him in 09 and we most certainly did.

By years end, we will know exactly what Matt Cassel is made of and I'm cautiously optimistic for his future here. Zorn is a damn good qb guru and Cassel can benefit from his gAme to game coaching. I think that by years end CSsel will be playing some damn good football.

Dude, the last two drafts were good for us no doubt, but his first time at bat was a complete, runny, diahrretic, New England Incestual Turd Festival.Can't win em all and he did come into a terrible situation here.

If Matt Cassel wins us a few playoff games and Tyson Jackson turns into a good starter, that draft looks a lot better.

The last two drafts have fruited us a battalion of great prospects to continue to solidify this roster.

A far cry from where seceded when he got here.

The last two drafts have given us as many good prospects as three or four average NFL drafts.

keg in kc
07-14-2011, 10:23 PM
You are correct. And just like Cassel( minus those clutch throws, few as they might have been but important when they occured ), Sanchez had to rely on his team and his defense to give him opportunities and bail his ass out.Tomayto, tomahto, bail his ass out, completely carry his ass.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:26 PM
But he's a system guy and a spread QB so really it's certain he's going to wash out.

Definitely a case for talent vs. college scheme not being able to transition. I suppose the pro game is changing or has changed enough that those with talent playing the spread can be a viable part of the league.

I guess it just depends on what kind of offense your franchise wants to run.

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:27 PM
I'm confounded. How could I possible respond cogently to the "I know you are but what am I" post?

How will the lack of a cogent response from you on the subject of Chiefs football be anything different than what you've been posting the past 2 years?


Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I've not been running the team into the ground the way you did. You've been pathetic about the team. For fuck's sake, they got 10 wins, for only the 3rd time since 1997, and you're still being an asshole about Pioli and Cassel.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:27 PM
Tomayto, tomahto, bail his ass out, completely carry his ass.

Yep. BOTH of them. BUT, who threw those clutchers when they needed to happen?

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:28 PM
Yep. BOTH of them. BUT, who threw those clutchers when they needed to happen?

Who's 24 and who's 28-29 again?

DeezNutz
07-14-2011, 10:29 PM
How will the lack of a cogent response from you on the subject of Chiefs football be anything different than what you've been posting the past 2 years?


Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I've not been running the team into the ground the way you did. You've been pathetic about the team. For ****'s sake, they got 10 wins, for only the 3rd time since 1997, and you're still being an asshole about Pioli and Cassel.

Really? I thought I posted a lot about the progress of the team in '10, and I thought my first post this evening in this thread was about the end of the lockout being a big opportunity and measuring stick for Pioli.

BossChief
07-14-2011, 10:30 PM
JPB is racial profiling Deez.

Damn the man!

Just Passin' By
07-14-2011, 10:31 PM
I need to define "good" for you?

BTW, I think you can make a reasonable argument that Cassel's level of capability against top teams is not yet fairly determined, because his two better seasons have been against weak schedules and his one lesser season was with a new team/coach/system(s) and a bad supporting cast. That's a whole lot different from calling him out as a scrub, though.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:32 PM
How will the lack of a cogent response from you on the subject of Chiefs football be anything different than what you've been posting the past 2 years?


Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I've not been running the team into the ground the way you did. You've been pathetic about the team. For fuck's sake, they got 10 wins, for only the 3rd time since 1997, and you're still being an asshole about Pioli and Cassel.

It was the wrong move to acquire Cassel. Until his contract is over, we'll never have any chance at picking up legit QB prospects, and he is NOT enough to get this team a Super Bowl win.

keg in kc
07-14-2011, 10:32 PM
Yep. BOTH of them. BUT, who threw those clutchers when they needed to happen?I haven't seen anything from Sanchez yet that marks him as anything but a Dilfer.

Maybe in time. I mean, I liked him coming out, I just wouldn't have taken him in the early first. But I'm pretty sure everybody knows that by now. I've probably only said it 8341 times.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:33 PM
BTW, I think you can make a reasonable argument that Cassel's level of capability against top teams is not yet fairly determined, because his two better seasons have been against weak schedules and his one lesser season was with a new team/coach/system and a bad supporting cast. That's a whole lot different from calling him out as a scrub, though.

Would you at least agree that THIS year( and JFC I'm tired of moving the chains for this guy )is THE year in "determining" him?

I mean, can we FINALLY get to this fucking, long-awaited moment in Chiefs History for fuck's sake?!

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:34 PM
I haven't seen anything from Sanchez yet that marks him as anything but a Dilfer.

Maybe in time. I mean, I liked him coming out, I just wouldn't have taken him in the early first. But I'm pretty sure everybody knows that by now. I've probably only said it 8341 times.

LMAO NO! You don't say...

BigMeatballDave
07-14-2011, 10:40 PM
It was the wrong move to acquire Cassel. Until his contract is over, we'll never have any chance at picking up legit QB prospects, and he is NOT enough to get this team a Super Bowl win.You were on Matt's bandwagon near the end of last season. What happened?:)

What happens if he wins a playoff game this season?

BigMeatballDave
07-14-2011, 10:42 PM
We like to Bitch about Cassel, but the fact is several teams would like to have him.

keg in kc
07-14-2011, 10:43 PM
Would you at least agree that THIS year( and JFC I'm tired of moving the chains for this guy )is THE year in "determining" him?

I mean, can we FINALLY get to this ****ing, long-awaited moment in Chiefs History for ****'s sake?!If he doesn't have 'it' by 2012 he never will. The line should be rebuilt by then and, assuming they hold on to Bowe, they'll have probably the strongest receiving corps since I moved here ('99).

This season, unfortunately, you're probably still going to see Wiegmann starting (unless Hudson beats him out...), which is I think a problem in the passing game, and there's still the ongoing question of the tackle positions (I think Albert's fine; others disagree). Plus rookie receivers don't generally explode right out of the gates anyway, and Baldwin's really behind the 8-ball without OTA's.

There are pieces there now, but I don't think the engine will really be running right out the gate. And people will plant whatever happens, good or bad, at Cassel's feet, deserved or not, because that's just the way it goes.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-14-2011, 10:53 PM
You were on Matt's bandwagon near the end of last season. What happened?:)

What happens if he wins a playoff game this season?

He completely reverted and shat himself thoroughly when it was gut-check time.

If he doesn't have 'it' by 2012 he never will. The line should be rebuilt by then and, assuming they hold on to Bowe, they'll have probably the strongest receiving corps since I moved here ('99).

This season, unfortunately, you're probably still going to see Wiegmann starting (unless Hudson beats him out...), which is I think a problem in the passing game, and there's still the ongoing question of the tackle positions (I think Albert's fine; others disagree). Plus rookie receivers don't generally explode right out of the gates anyway, and Baldwin's really behind the 8-ball without OTA's.

There are pieces there now, but I don't think the engine will really be running right out the gate. And people will plant whatever happens, good or bad, at Cassel's feet, deserved or not, because that's just the way it goes.

2012?!?!?!?

JFC....:facepalm:

I thought this was a fully-developed bill of goods we were sold, yes? That was the selling point:

"Hit The Ground Running With Mo' Kessel in 09"!

FML.

keg in kc
07-14-2011, 11:11 PM
I thought this was a fully-developed bill of goods we were sold, yes? That was the selling point:

"Hit The Ground Running With Mo' Kessel in 09"!

FML.Team game. That's just the reality of the situation.

I wouldn't have traded for Cassel in the first place, but the fact remains that Peyton Manning wouldn't have carried that 2009 team.

At this point I couldn't even tell you how much of Cassel's problems are actually Cassel and how much are the offensive line and a receiving corps composed of Dwayne Bowe and whatever waiver wire guy they picked up any given week (both still at issue in 2010...). My guess is it's a combination of both, but this was an historically bad roster in 2009 and an incredibly (and thankfully) young one in 2010, elder statesmen on the line aside.

I think (hope) by 2012 that there will no longer be questions about the o-line, and the receiving corps will be established. And that, to me, is the point where it will be possible to get a clear read on what we have at QB.

By no means take this as any kind of defense of or support for Cassel. That's just my impression of the offense as a whole. I find it very difficult to get any kind of subjective read on the guy, one that doesn't include the natural bias I have against him as what I saw/see as a New England castoff that should've stayed with the Patriots.

(I really, really didn't like him in 2009....)

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-15-2011, 06:20 AM
Team game. That's just the reality of the situation.



And naturally, that factor applies to Sanchez too, right?:D

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 09:12 AM
And naturally, that factor applies to Sanchez too, right?:DLet it go. You cannot have his children.

-King-
07-15-2011, 09:17 AM
To get his team to 10-6 against shitty competition, Matt Cassel needed a 27-7 TD to INT ratio.

To get his team to 11-5 against good completion, Sanchez only needed a 17-13 ratio.

Clearly one of them rode his team more than the other.

KurtCobain
07-15-2011, 09:29 AM
To get his team to 10-6 against shitty competition, Matt Cassel needed a 27-7 TD to INT ratio.

To get his team to 11-5 against good completion, Sanchez only needed a 17-13 ratio.

Clearly one of them rode his team more than the other.

Solid post.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:30 AM
AlbertBreerAlbert Breer

The longer story ... RT @nfl: Players, owners reach agreement on economics of deal, per @albertbreer: http://bit.ly/mP0Mu5

KurtCobain
07-15-2011, 10:31 AM
DOES THIS MEAN ITS OVER

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:32 AM
DOES THIS MEAN ITS OVER

Almost bud

KurtCobain
07-15-2011, 10:35 AM
I love you ChiefsandO'sfan.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:38 AM
I love you ChiefsandO'sfan.

I just hope they take care of the retired players from the 30s to 90s out here in baltimore it was sad to see what JOHN MACKEY turn into at the time he died they said it was like he was a 13month old baby.

KurtCobain
07-15-2011, 10:40 AM
I don't care I just want a season.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:41 AM
I don't care I just want a season.

Dont worry there will be this thing almost done.I say FA starts around july 26 or the 28.

KurtCobain
07-15-2011, 10:42 AM
Ugh that's so long away. Why does this shit have to happen? So fucking tired of this.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:43 AM
Ugh that's so long away. Why does this shit have to happen? So ****ing tired of this.

Dude the players and owners have to vote on deal and sign it shit takes time .

Rams Fan
07-15-2011, 10:43 AM
Dont worry there will be this thing almost done.I say FA starts around july 26 or the 28.

Fuck that. I want to see the Rams play in the HOF game.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:45 AM
**** that. I want to see the Rams play in the HOF game.

And you will.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:46 AM
DeMaurice Smith's planning might have been the key to pushing talks toward a resolution.
AP

From the moment he was elected executive director of the NFL Players Association in March 2009, DeMaurice Smith always took the long view when it came to negotiations with the owners on a new collective bargaining agreement. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

It's one of the reasons that slightly more than a year ago he received approval from the executive committee to secure insurance that would pay each player roughly $200,000 if there were no football in 2011.

Smith disclosed the fund to only a handful of people outside of the executive committee. However with negotiations seemingly at a standstill late Wednesday night, the decision was made to play one of their aces in the hole. So in the relative quiet of the sides' New York City bargaining room the next morning, Baltimore Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth informed the owners of the previously secret lockout fund.

Was that the shove in the back that moved the sides closer to a potential agreement? Only the owners know for sure, but a source close to one of them said the disclosure definitely got that side's attention. Perhaps for good reason.

The common perception has been that the players' solidarity would crumble once they started missing paychecks. However the foundation beneath that line of thinking would be as solid as Jell-O if the players could couple the insurance with a large financial award from U.S. District Judge David Doty, who previously ruled the owners had illegally created a $4.3 billion lockout fund for themselves by renegotiating their TV deals at the expense of the players.

"Players Association leadership looked into this as a last possible resort to keep players together in case games would be missed," one players-side source said of the insurance war chest. "It was never intended to be used as a bargaining chip or negotiating point until things became critical."

Thursday was a critical point. If the sides could not advance negotiations then the possibility of hundreds of millions of dollars being lost to canceled preseason games was real. And if the owners allowed the impasse to get that far, what was to stop them from testing the players' pain threshold by extending the lockout into the regular season?

The Players Association began informing its membership about the insurance fund over the past week and brought it up in the negotiating room for the first time Thursday. There's no way to know at this time whether it was the final oomph that pushed negotiations onto positive ground, but it's hard to believe it didn't have some impact considering the talks were "not in a good place" the previous night when the sides broke for the day.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/07/15/secret-lockout-fund/index.html#ixzz1SC2oTLO6




Hate smith all you want but this was a GREAT MOVE BY HIM AND THE OWNERS GOT SCARED.

vailpass
07-15-2011, 10:47 AM
There will be a HOF game. There will be camp. There will be a full pre-season and regular season.
There will not be one dollar of lost TV revenue.
Did anyone really ever think otherwise?

vailpass
07-15-2011, 10:47 AM
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/07/15/secret-lockout-fund/index.html#ixzz1SC2oTLO6




Hate smith all you want but this was a GREAT MOVE BY HIM AND THE OWNERS GOT SCARED.

LMAO $200,000?

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Rookie wage scale details demonstrate that owners lost battle, won war

Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2011, 12:45 PM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/113258426_display_image-e1310748308577.jpg?w=221 Getty ImagesOn Thursday, the NFL and the NFLPA* struck a deal on the rookie wage scale. Based on the two positions that were detailed in a memo we obtained earlier in the week, it’s clear that the NFL adopted almost entirely what the players were seeking.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that, as expected, all first-round picks will be signed to four-year contracts, with an option for the fifth year. As to the first 10 picks, the fifth-year salary, if the team exercises the option, will equate to the average of the 10 highest-paid players at the same position. As to the next 22 picks in round one, the fifth-year salary will reflect the average of the third to 25th highest-paid players at the position.
The players, as of last week, had asked for the first half of round one to get a salary worth the average salary of the top 10 players at the same position. For the second half of round one, the number would have come from the top 20 players at the position.
In the end, the players got almost exactly what they wanted, with only six players left out of the top-10 average pay, and with the average pay figures for picks 11 through 32 omitting the top two players and adding in three more at the back end. This year, the teams that will be helped and the players that will be hurt by the final outcome are the Texans and defensive end J.J. Watt (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6469) (pictured with James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=665)’s BFF), the Vikings and quarterback Christian Ponder (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6433), the Lions and defensive tackle Nick Fairley (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6492), the Rams and defensive end Robert Quinn (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6557), the Dolphins and center Mike Pouncey (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6478), and the Redskins and defensive end Ryan Kerrigan (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=6495), respectively.
But the other 22 lose as well. The ultimate outcome of the rookie wage scale represents a major victory for the league, with the total pay of the top 10 picks dropping by anywhere from 40 to 55 percent. The money will now be shifted to veterans and retired players.

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 10:53 AM
DeMaurice Smith's planning might have been the key to pushing talks toward a resolution.


Hate smith all you want but this was a GREAT MOVE BY HIM AND THE OWNERS GOT SCARED.
Didn't the owners get sue for "planning" for a work stoppage?

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 10:54 AM
Didn't the owners get sue for "planning" for a work stoppage?

lol the players didnt lock the players out its different.

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 10:58 AM
Didn't the owners get sue for "planning" for a work stoppage?KILL ALL THE GREEDY UNION-LOVING PLAYERS!

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 11:02 AM
lol the players didnt lock the players out its different.The CBA was over, the owners didn't break a contract.

The lockout was only necessary because of the stupid ass way the courts favor unions, even if the union is a joke. The owners should have never had to lockout people who were no longer employed.

I wonder if i can just go down to the local bank and show up for work even though i don't have a job with them? Tell them i'm going to work whether they want me or not and that they will have to go to court and lock me out to keep me away. :hmmm:

sedated
07-15-2011, 11:04 AM
Didn't the owners get sue for "planning" for a work stoppage?

conspiring with your revenue sources to cripple the opposition is completely different than paying for an insurance plan that has no effect on the owners' revenue stream. And as said above, the players didn't lock themselves out.

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 11:05 AM
The CBA was over, the owners didn't break a contract.

The lockout was only necessary because of the stupid ass way the courts favor unions, even if the union is a joke. The owners should have never had to lockout people who were no longer employed.

I wonder if i can just go down to the local bank and show up for work even though i don't have a job with them? Tell them i'm going to work whether they want me or not and that they will have to go to court and lock me out to keep me away. :hmmm:FAT, CAPITALIST PIG!

royr17
07-15-2011, 11:13 AM
i had a dream, that there will be tons of nfl injuries this year due to the fuggin lockout

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 11:26 AM
LATimesfarmerSam Farmer LA Times
I'm hearing possible NFL safety changes could include 33% fewer OTA days, drastically fewer practices in helmets, no workouts before May 1.

Brock
07-15-2011, 11:26 AM
The lockout was only necessary because of the stupid ass way the courts favor unions, even if the union is a joke. The owners should have never had to lockout people who were no longer employed.

I wonder if i can just go down to the local bank and show up for work even though i don't have a job with them? Tell them i'm going to work whether they want me or not and that they will have to go to court and lock me out to keep me away. :hmmm:

This post is a big ball of logical disconnect. Are you implying that because of the lockout, players were no longer employees of the NFL? That their contracts with teams were suddenly null and void? That the teams, if they decided to never open up shop again, didn't owe the players money for their contracts? Because, Jesus H., that's just stupid.

Your second paragraph is equally logically unsound, if not more so. Were you previously an employee with said bank with a legal contract outlining the conditions of your work? It's an outlandish comparison that has zero bearing on this situation.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-15-2011, 11:33 AM
LATimesfarmerSam Farmer LA Times
I'm hearing possible NFL safety changes could include 33% fewer OTA days, drastically fewer practices in helmets, no workouts before May 1.

Wouldn't this make players more ill prepared when the real bullets start flying???

Cave Johnson
07-15-2011, 11:49 AM
The CBA was over, the owners didn't break a contract.

The lockout was only necessary because of the stupid ass way the courts favor unions, even if the union is a joke. The owners should have never had to lockout people who were no longer employed.

I wonder if i can just go down to the local bank and show up for work even though i don't have a job with them? Tell them i'm going to work whether they want me or not and that they will have to go to court and lock me out to keep me away. :hmmm:

The owners opted out of the existing CBA early.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your facts.

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 11:52 AM
Wouldn't this make players more ill prepared when the real bullets start flying???That's what training camp is for.

penguinz
07-15-2011, 11:53 AM
The owners opted out of the existing CBA early.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your facts.And this option was built into that contract so nothing was breached.

Okie_Apparition
07-15-2011, 11:57 AM
i had a dream, that there will be tons of nfl injuries this year due to the fuggin lockout

I'm wondering what team's fans will be the first to blame the lockout for their teams suckage. Though hard to prove, I'll go with the Fins

Detoxing
07-15-2011, 11:59 AM
I'm wondering what team's fans will be the first to blame the lockout for their teams suckage. Though hard to prove, I'll go with the Fins

us

Okie_Apparition
07-15-2011, 12:02 PM
Like they'll let a thread like that exist at Warpaint Ill

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 12:05 PM
expanding roster?

Sal just said 90 players on the rosters when FA starts etc. I wonder if there will be any normal roster expansion.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 12:05 PM
ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk





The first hint that white smoke could be coming today, from @SBJLizMullen http://t.co/7V0OtOp

Okie_Apparition
07-15-2011, 12:06 PM
We already have a Pope

-do I have any lure in my teeth

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 12:09 PM
The owners opted out of the existing CBA early.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your facts.
before you starting talking facts you should check yours ...

The opt out was in the CBA for BOTH sides so for all intents and purposes the CBA was gone.

BigCatDaddy
07-15-2011, 12:11 PM
Any talk of allowing more guys to be active on game days? I know Vermeil always bitched about that one and I really never undstood why they limit the game day roster for a game that can produce a lot of injuries.

Discuss Thrower
07-15-2011, 12:13 PM
Any talk of allowing more guys to be active on game days? I know Vermeil always bitched about that one and I really never undstood why they limit the game day roster for a game that can produce a lot of injuries.

Never, ever understood the logic of having an active roster of 53 + 9 guys you can sign during the season when you can only dress 45+1.

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 12:15 PM
Never, ever understood the logic of having an active roster of 53 + 9 guys you can sign during the season when you can only dress 45+1.
you pay inactive players less

It provides you with a deeper bench without increasing your payroll as much.

that said, imo it's time to get rid of it.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 12:18 PM
RonBorgesRon Borges

Safety issue a significant snag @ the moment. See Boston Herald.

BigCatDaddy
07-15-2011, 12:19 PM
you pay inactive players less

It provides you with a deeper bench without increasing your payroll as much.

that said, imo it's time to get rid of it.

Sounds like a good way to get to that spending floor.

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 12:22 PM
RonBorgesRon Borges

Safety issue a significant snag @ the moment. See Boston Herald.
The players should either step-up and pay the disability stuff or STFU and let the people footing the bill make the rules.

DeezNutz
07-15-2011, 12:24 PM
The players should either step-up and pay the disability stuff or STFU and let the people footing the bill make the rules.

The television executives should make the rules?

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 12:39 PM
The television executives should make the rules?
The fans should make all the rules because ultimately all the money comes from them.

the real Madden 2012 FTW!!!!


dumbass :rolleyes:

DeezNutz
07-15-2011, 12:54 PM
The fans should make all the rules because ultimately all the money comes from them.

the real Madden 2012 FTW!!!!


dumbass :rolleyes:

The players are just like McDonald's employees in reality. If they don't like things, they should get another job.

ChiefGator
07-15-2011, 12:56 PM
The players are just like McDonald's employees in reality. If they don't like things, they should get another job.

I think my sarcasm meter is outta whack. Sarcasm?

vailpass
07-15-2011, 01:04 PM
The players are just like McDonald's employees in reality. If they don't like things, they should get another job.

At the end of the day they are employees. And like any employee the degree of your marketability allows you to dictate certain terms of your employment. So long as the employer feels the value you bring to his company outweighs your compensation requirements he will meet them. When your demands begin to exceed your value the employer begins to push back on the demands and considers alternatives to your employment.

ChiefGator
07-15-2011, 01:06 PM
At the end of the day they are employees. And like any employee the degree of your marketability allows you to dictate certain terms of your employment. So long as the employer feels the value you bring to his company outweighs your compensation requirements he will meet them. When your demands begin to exceed your value the employer begins to push back on the demands and considers alternatives to your employment.

Yeahhh, except they are an elite level of employee. If the NFLPA told the owners to go screw themselves, and negotiated their own contracts for stadiums, etc.. I would be watching the NFLPA players, not whatever crappy product the owners put on the field.

Take away the employees, and you have the UFL.

vailpass
07-15-2011, 01:16 PM
Yeahhh, except they are an elite level of employee. If the NFLPA told the owners to go screw themselves, and negotiated their own contracts for stadiums, etc.. I would be watching the NFLPA players, not whatever crappy product the owners put on the field.

Take away the employees, and you have the UFL.

The amount of times this silly argument has been posited, refuted, posited again only to be refuted again is beyond measure.
I'll let you try to figure it out on your own.

ChiefGator
07-15-2011, 01:21 PM
The amount of times this silly argument has been posited, refuted, posited again only to be refuted again is beyond measure.
I'll let you try to figure it out on your own.

Actually the amount of time the pro-owner argument has been posted is beyond measure. If you would rather watch Clark Hunt run a UFL team than watch the Kansas City Power with our players, I can't help you.

They are negotiating for a reason, the owners can't do it without THESE players/employees.

penguinz
07-15-2011, 01:38 PM
Actually the amount of time the pro-owner argument has been posted is beyond measure. If you would rather watch Clark Hunt run a UFL team than watch the Kansas City Power with our players, I can't help you.

They are negotiating for a reason, the owners can't do it without THESE players/employees.And the players can not do it without the owners. Your argument goes both ways.

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 01:43 PM
They are negotiating for a reason, the owners can't do it without THESE players/employees.
they already have done it without THESE players/employees.

several times over, in fact



since like what ... 1922?

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 01:46 PM
And the players can not do it without the owners. Your argument goes both ways.There are several people interested in football with very deep pockets.

ChiefGator
07-15-2011, 01:49 PM
And the players can not do it without the owners. Your argument goes both ways.

Yeah, I'm just saying it is a negotiation. Not something that one side should just STFU and accept what the other has to offer, which is what some said in this thread. I would think the players have a little more hand at this table, but whatever.

they already have done it without THESE players/employees.

several times over, in fact



since like what ... 1922?

I'm gonna say that football as business is COMPLETELY different in 1922 and 2010. But, my point is that there is a very small number of people that can play this game at a high level and get the fans interested. If something else comes along and takes these players, then people will begin watching them in a different league.

This has already happened.. several times over, in fact.. the latest being the AFL.

BigMeatballDave
07-15-2011, 01:54 PM
The amount of times this silly argument has been posited, refuted, posited again only to be refuted again is beyond measure.
I'll let you try to figure it out on your own.OK, so why don't the owners do this then? I mean, you guys are so convinced the league could carry on without the current players. Prey tell...

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Yeah, I'm just saying it is a negotiation. Not something that one side should just STFU and accept what the other has to offer, which is what some said in this thread. I would think the players have a little more hand at this table, but whatever.

I'm gonna say that football as business is COMPLETELY different in 1922 and 2010. But, my point is that there is a very small number of people that can play this game at a high level and get the fans interested. If something else comes along and takes these players, then people will begin watching them in a different league.

This has already happened.. several times over, in fact.. the latest being the AFL.Everyone talks about how short player's NFL careers are and yet they still say the NFL can't survive without the current group of players.

Elite players come and go ... it's the game that stays.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 02:44 PM
AlbertBreerAlbert Breer

I'm told two major things left are the actual settlement details of the litigation, and player safety and related issues (i.e. Offseason).

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ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 02:47 PM
AlbertBreerAlbert Breer
NFL and NFLPA issue joint statement on "productive" talks ... http://lockerz.com/s/120478157

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 02:49 PM
Yea this all about to be over real soon great news now we can talk football.





NYPost_HubbuchBart Hubbuch

NFLPA spokesman says "things are in a good place." NFL spokesman standing next to him says, "We don't disagree with anything he just said."

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 02:51 PM
freeplionsFreep Lions
RT @ZakarianFollett: Just received word the 25th of July we would be able to report back if a deal got done.Pending approval by all parties



WHEN A LIONS PLAYER IS SAYING THIS A DEAL IS DONE.

Detoxing
07-15-2011, 03:08 PM
OMFJ FOOTBALL IS BACK AND NOW I CAN FINALLY STOP MASTURBATING BECAUSE THERE WILL FINALLY BE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO LIKE TROLL OTHER TEAM FORUMS AND AND AND READ ABOUT BIG BUFF BLACK MEN SIGNING MULTI MILLION DOLLAR DEALS AND I CAN MASTURBATE SOME MORE BUT THIS TIME A LITTLE LESS FREQUENTLY BECAUSE MY DICK WAS GETTING KINDA RAW AND RED AND DEVELOPING HAND HERPIES BECAUSE I DONT ALWAYS WASH MY HAND BEFORE HAVING SEX WITH IT

HALLELUJAH AND STUFF YAAAAAA!

Mr. Arrowhead
07-15-2011, 03:11 PM
This means the Royals season is officially over for me LMAO

Dayze
07-15-2011, 03:12 PM
This means the Royals season is officially over for me LMAO

too bad local radio won't adopt the same mindset.

Titty Meat
07-15-2011, 03:18 PM
THE ECONOMICS OF THE DEAL ARE DONE !!1!!


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/huskeraddict/IGN/Lee-Celebration.gif

chiefqueen
07-15-2011, 03:44 PM
THE ECONOMICS OF THE DEAL ARE DONE !!1!!


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/huskeraddict/IGN/Lee-Celebration.gif

Soucre?

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 03:47 PM
Soucre?

Just go back and read thread jfc you that lazy

chiefqueen
07-15-2011, 03:50 PM
ESPN is reporting talks have recessed for the day but the free agency issue remains unresolved.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6773711/2011-nfl-lockout-talks-recessed-day-progress-cited

FREE MANNING!!

LET MY MANNING GO!! (Well, at least to the NFC.)

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 04:52 PM
Tents, bleachers going up at Lehigh for Eagles camp

Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2011, 6:50 PM EDT

Getty Images
It’s becoming more and more clear that the lockout isn’t going to end with a bang but with a shrug, in the form of an announcement made days after a new labor deal has become a foregone conclusion for most observers and fans. Until that joint statement declaring the return of football comes, a patchwork of circumstantial evidence will make that moment even more anticlimactic.

The latest piece of proof comes from the Philadelphia Eagles. Per LehighValleyLive.com, tents and bleachers are being erected at Lehigh University, site of the team’s training camp.

“It’s just them making preparations on their end,” Lehigh spokesman Steve Lomangino told Jim Deegan. “It’s the Eagles being proactive.”

Lomangino added that today is the day on which preparations would have begun, resulting in no delay to the process as a result of the work stoppage.

“We’re trying to be as prepared as possible in the event we go to Lehigh for training camp,” Eagles spokesman Derek Boyko said.

C’mon Derek. “In the event”? The Eagles wouldn’t be spending the money to get ready for camp if the Eagles thought there was a real chance camp wouldn’t happen. Though it’s still remotely possible but highly unlikely that something crazy will happen (more on that later), the Eagles are getting ready for camp because the Eagles believe camp is going to happen

chefsos
07-15-2011, 05:10 PM
Posted by Mike Florio

“We’re trying to be as prepared as possible in the event we go to Lehigh for training camp,” Eagles spokesman Derek Boyko said.

C’mon Derek. “In the event”? The Eagles wouldn’t be spending the money to get ready for camp if the Eagles thought there was a real chance camp wouldn’t happen. Though it’s still remotely possible but highly unlikely that something crazy will happen (more on that later), the Eagles are getting ready for camp because the Eagles believe camp is going to happenI now believe camp's gonna happen too. Nonetheless, Florio is stupid here. How much could it possibly cost the Eagles to have some guys set up tents and bleachers too soon? In addition, that money's probably already been budgeted and spent anyway.


EDIT: I don't mean to sound like I'm bitching, because this is really good news.

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 05:10 PM
mortreportChris Mortensen
In fact, owners have now abandoned the right of first refusal issue on this year's free agents. They'll have 72-hour period to re-sign

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Detoxing
07-15-2011, 05:12 PM
mortreportChris Mortensen
In fact, owners have now abandoned the right of first refusal issue on this year's free agents. They'll have 72-hour period to re-sign

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Ok...so now that that's out of the way...what's left?

ShowtimeSBMVP
07-15-2011, 05:13 PM
Ok...so now that that's out of the way...what's left?

judybattistaJudy Battista

Last significant issue to be decided: how the Brady and TV contract lawsuits will be resolved. NFL on the brink of a new deal

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 05:13 PM
I now believe camp's gonna happen too.
As soon as the two sides agreed on the financial split and % it was only a matter of time.

Mr. Laz
07-15-2011, 05:15 PM
judybattistaJudy Battista

Last significant issue to be decided: how the Brady and TV contract lawsuits will be resolved. NFL on the brink of a new deal
tell Brady and Manning to go **** themselves and you'll see them in court.

Let's see if they have enough balls to hold up the entire NFL season with their little group.