KC, Colorado or California?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

My wife and I have narrowed it down to these three places to where we want to settle down and make babies from my delicious loins. We now live in Arizona, which sucks, in a couple years we will make the move to one of these places. We've done the research and have vacations set up, etc for all of these places. I'm biased because I'm from KC and I want to live there my job took me out here :) but I'm open to any. No matter what I'll have Chiefs season tickets wherever we live, so it's all good in the hood. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

hugs and kisses

[DaFace]

I'm obviously biased, but I love Colorado. If you are the outdoorsy type, there really isn't a contest between those three.
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[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm obviously biased, but I love Colorado. If you are the outdoorsy type, there really isn't a contest between those three.
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Yeah we looked at that. The cost of living isn't too bad depends on where you live. Where do you live? I'm not being creepy you don't have to tell me your address lol

[DaFace]

I'm in Thornton, but if I could pick a city to live in, it would probably be Fort Collins.
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[KCrockaholic]

If you pick Colorado, do not move to Colorado Springs or Pueblo. Just trust me on that. Besides those couple of cities, Colorado is a great place.

[JoeyChuckles]

My wife and I have narrowed it down to these three places to where we want to settle down and make babies from my delicious loins. We now live in Arizona, which sucks, in a couple years we will make the move to one of these places. We've done the research and have vacations set up, etc for all of these places. I'm biased because I'm from KC and I want to live there my job took me out here :) but I'm open to any. No matter what I'll have Chiefs season tickets wherever we live, so it's all good in the hood. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

hugs and kisses

Arizona does suck. I'm stuck here for at least 6 more months. Then it is KC or Chicago. I know what you are going through.

[DaFace]

If you pick Colorado, do not move to Colorado Springs or Pueblo. Just trust me on that. Besides those couple of cities, Colorado is a great place.

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[mnchiefsguy]

I would say either CO or KC. CA is too expensive, the taxes are too high. Houses cost too much. Granted there is nice weather there, and beaches...etc. Don't forget to factor in things like future schools (either the condition of the public schools, or the availability of private schools if that is your preference.) Compare your cost of livings...you may be able to live much more comfortably in CO or KC.

[HolyHandgernade]

California is expensive, but if you can afford it, you can find whatever lifestyle you like: beach, desert, forest, mountain, small town, big city, rural, urban. Despite what general reports will have you believe, there are excellent public schools in the state, but you'll pay to be within their district, or sacrifice location. Because California has such a diverse population, English is often a second language and the urban areas that bear that burden distort the educational system.

Speaking of that diversity, if you are, say, more comfortable with people that look a lot like you, then California may not be your cup of tea. Personally, I really enjoy it, but I know it makes some people uneasy. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for KC and the midwest in general, but I spent my first winter, threw away the ice scrapper on the car floorboard and told the family, "Sorry, but I'm not coming back! Its February and I'm going back out to the pool."

I've only been to Colorado to ski, so what I know of it probably wouldn't help much.

[CrazyPhuD]

I'm obviously biased, but I love Colorado. If you are the outdoorsy type, there really isn't a contest between those three.
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Well to be fair in CA you can do everything you can in CO outdoorsy + more, just because you have a variety of terrain. I live 20 minutes from a beach and 3hrs from the mountains with pretty much everything in between.

That said I would not move to CA, especially if you want to raise kids. The real estate is still far too expensive(unless you live in the sticks, which has quite a bit of issues now), baring a few areas the public school system is a mess, the state is on it's way to bankruptcy and it goes out of it's way to punish new residents. You may get paid more, but you get raped far more too.

[KurtCobain]

I'm in Thornton, but if I could pick a city to live in, it would probably be Fort Collins.
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Is Thornton more like Independence or Raytown?

[Bwana]

Colorado

[KurtCobain]

Colorado

Quick question because I have no clue. Is montana really cold? I know it's up north, but I've heard there's a lot of farmland and cows up there.

[DaFace]

Is Thornton more like Independence or Raytown?

No clue. I've never lived in KC. Thornton is a pretty generic 'burb.
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[HolyHandgernade]

Quick question because I have no clue. Is montana really cold? I know it's up north, but I've heard there's a lot of farmland and cows up there.

Yes. From all the reports I get from Aunt and Uncle, you have a reasonable chance of snow 10 out of the 12 months. Some years, of course, are different and the summer can be just as hot in the Midwest, but for the most part, yes, it is cold.

That said, its also quite beautiful and if you're looking to live somewhere where you don't feel quite so "fenced in", Montana is fabulous!

[KurtCobain]

No clue. I've never lived in KC. Thornton is a pretty generic 'burb.
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Then where are you from that makes you a Chiefs fan?

[Bwana]

Quick question because I have no clue. Is montana really cold? I know it's up north, but I've heard there's a lot of farmland and cows up there.

That depends...

Right now, it's 95 out there, but yes, in the winter it can get cold. The last two winters have been a real bitch, with lots of cold and extra snow. I do like the four seasons and I love the mountains, which is why I live here. Colorado is a lot like Montana, with more people and a bit warmer.

[threebag]

CaliPornia. Buck could babysit for you.

[DaFace]

Then where are you from that makes you a Chiefs fan?

Southern Kansas.
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[Rain Man]

Colorado and California both have a lot of different locales to offer, depending on what you want - small town, big city, something in between. Both have great places to live and pretty bad places to live. I'm sure KC is the same way on a smaller scale since it's just a city.

Globally, I think California and Colorado are much better than KC in terms of climate. Colorado has easier access than the other two to spectacular scenery. Those are the only two things you can't pick or buy, I think. If those are important, they're the better choice. Otherwise, cheaper is the better choice.

I've lived in Colorado for 18 years and love it here. I'm in the heart of Denver, but if you're not a city guy you can go to some nice 'burbs (Golden, Evergreen, etc.), nice mid-sized cities (Fort Collins, Boulder, etc.), nice smaller towns (Montrose, Delta, etc.), rural areas all over (San Luis Valley), crazy mountain hideouts if you're the Unabomber (Park County, Leadville, etc.) or if your housing budget is more than about $3 million, resort areas like Aspen and Vail.

[Bwana]

CaliPornia. Buck could babysit for you.

AKA: "Uncle Buck"

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[ragedogg69]

Ok. Ill bite. Why the hate for zona? Heat? Traffic?

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[Bugeater]

Colorado, with northern California a close second.

[rageeumr]

I would love to live in Northern California or Colorado. Colorado would probably win. Boulder or Fort Collins would be my first choices.

[Ming the Merciless]

Northern California (707 North Coast) for the motherfucking win.

Pros
Stays around 60's-70's most of the time.
Above 85 is what these people think is 'hot'
Don't need to run an Air conditioner
Never Freezes
Lots of outdoor stuff to do
Watersports
4 hour-ish drive to Tahoe/snow in winter - if you want.
Close to the Ocean for ocean fishing, picnics, clamming, abalone etc
Lots of forest for hiking, hills / trails/ mountains
Depending on where you live you can be within an hour or two if major city (SF) and airports etc.....
Pretty laid back type of people up north, most are friendly down to earth.
Awesome food / wine / beer breweries.
Doesnt rain too much in the summer
Property taxes are quite low, and thanks to prop 13 will stay that way...Once you buy a house you are pretty well locked in at that rate for a long time...Now is a great time to buy.

Cons
Can be relatively expensive to buy property depending on where you are at...although IMO now is an awesome time to buy as prices are 50% of what they were about 5 years ago.
North of SF by too much and you may have a commute to work...
It rains quite a bit in the winter....
Within an hour or so of SF people can be a little snobby and lame
Traffic can be shitty on 101
Far away from the 'Home of the CHIEFS!!!!' so you need sunday ticket LOL.

Anyhow

NorCal is your best bet IMO. But I actually love all of the places you are choosing from, so you cannot go wrong. If you every have any questions about teh NorCal, PM me.

[Bugeater]

Ok. Ill bite. Why the hate for zona? Heat? Traffic?

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I can't speak for anyone else, but the thing that I couldn't stand about AZ was there wasn't anything green anywhere. No grass, no trees, no bushes, no nothing. Just rocks and cactus and tumbleweeds. It's an ugly place IMO.

[HolyHandgernade]

Ok. Ill bite. Why the hate for zona? Heat? Traffic?

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I had friends that I used to visit in Phoenix before they moved to Idaho. That heat is oppressive. We always went to Sedona when we came to visit. I really like Prescott. As with any state, it depends where you settle, but I didn't like the culture in Pheonix. Not to say it was absent of any, just not enough that I would want to move there.

[rageeumr]

I would love to live in Northern California or Colorado. Colorado would probably win. Boulder or Fort Collins would be my first choices.

In fact, if I were single, I would really consider uprooting myself and moving. I love to ski & snowboard. I love the climate. I love to run and do a lot of triathlons. Colorado would be a great place for me.

Unfortunately I made a short-sighted deal with my wife that if she moved to KC after grad school to be with me, I'd move to St. Louis with her eventually :doh!:

[Rain Man]

Ok. Ill bite. Why the hate for zona? Heat? Traffic?

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Parts of Arizona are very nice from what I've seen. No offense, but I'm not a huge fan of the Phoenix area, though I may have been in the wrong area. My in-laws lived in Surprise, and it was a million-mile drive to get to anything along busy roads. I didn't really like the planning philosophy, which is to segregate commercial from residential and then force people onto busy roads to get to the commercial.

But then again, my in-laws seek out areas like that for reasons I don't understand, so maybe I had a skewed experience.

I'm also not a huge fan of the desert landscape and the fact that there's not really a vital downtown area of Phoenix, or at least not one that I've seen.

[Rain Man]

In fact, if I were single, I would really consider uprooting myself and moving. I love to ski & snowboard. I love the climate. I love to run and do a lot of triathlons. Colorado would be a great place for me.

Unfortunately I made a short-sighted deal with my wife that if she moved to KC after grad school to be with me, I'd move to St. Louis with her eventually :doh!:

Unless your attractive wife enthusiastically recruits her attractive friends for threesomes with you, Single+Colorado > Married+St.Louis. Just saying.

[rageeumr]

Unless your attractive wife enthusiastically recruits her attractive friends for threesomes with you, Single+Colorado > Married+St.Louis. Just saying.

Both her parents are lawyers. She'd clean me out.

Plus I have 1 and 8/9 kid(s) with her. So I better try to make it work.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

yeah we are not a fan of phoenix either and do not live in that part of Arizona we live in the northern part called Flagstaff. Summers are 80 to 90 with sunshine and rain winters are 6 feet of snow in one storm lol. California is an option due to the fact that I have a great job that I could transfer to eventually in CA, however I love Kansas City as that's where I am from and my Chiefs, and my wife loves Colorado and always has. We are both okay with either option just trying to figure out which one would be best for us. How is the real estate and cost of living in Colorado, I have a general idea of Missouri but what about Overland Park, KS? We are interested in Denver area, the suburbs as well as in Kansas city. Suburb area is what we are looking for seeing as we are newlyweds and wanting to start a family in the next few years. Thanks for all the help and we look forward to more input.

[Rain Man]

Both her parents are lawyers. She'd clean me out.

Plus I have 1 and 8/9 kid(s) with her. So I better try to make it work.


I see an out here. If you don't have a signed contract on the St. Louis thing she doesn't have a leg to stand on (similar to that .89 child, apparently), and her parents will have to back you up.

[HolyHandgernade]

yeah we are not a fan of phoenix either and do not live in that part of Arizona we live in the northern part called Flagstaff. Summers are 80 to 90 with sunshine and rain winters are 6 feet of snow in one storm lol. California is an option due to the fact that I have a great job that I could transfer to eventually in CA, however I love Kansas City as that's where I am from and my Chiefs, and my wife loves Colorado and always has. We are both okay with either option just trying to figure out which one would be best for us. How is the real estate and cost of living in Colorado, I have a general idea of Missouri but what about Overland Park, KS? We are interested in Denver area, the suburbs as well as in Kansas city. Suburb area is what we are looking for seeing as we are newlyweds and wanting to start a family in the next few years. Thanks for all the help and we look forward to more input.

Overland Park is about as expensive as most of Southern California. I've lived in both. Of course, you're not going to find much better schools in the entire nation than you will in Johnson County. Year after year, even all the way out to Olathe, the schools are among the nation's best.

[Bwana]

Yes. From all the reports I get from Aunt and Uncle, you have a reasonable chance of snow 10 out of the 12 months. Some years, of course, are different and the summer can be just as hot in the Midwest, but for the most part, yes, it is cold.

That said, its also quite beautiful and if you're looking to live somewhere where you don't feel quite so "fenced in", Montana is fabulous!

What part of the state do they live in, HHG?

[Stewie]

I've spent a ton of time in all three places. If you find a good job in northern CA, do it! My brother has lived in Kenwood, CA for over 20 years. Beautiful place and close enough to SF and Tahoe for a day trip or long weekend.

[HolyHandgernade]

What part of the state do they live in, HHG?

I live north of San Diego about an hour on the inland side (Temecula/Murrieta). We can't see the ocean but we live smack dab in the middle of Southern California Wine Country!

[Buck]

Start looking for houses in Leawood.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Marblehead or Fishhook Illinois are nice. No I don't live in either. Marblehead has an old school Coke machine though.

I hear good things about Bethel and Plevna Missouri too.

[Bwana]

I live north of San Diego about an hour on the inland side (Temecula/Murrieta). We can't see the ocean but we live smack dab in the middle of Southern California Wine Country!

Wow, my wife spent several years in Temecula, nice area.

[MagicHef]

I'm in Thornton, but if I could pick a city to live in, it would probably be Fort Collins.
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I would love to live in Northern California or Colorado. Colorado would probably win. Boulder or Fort Collins would be my first choices.

Oh yeah.

Honestly, I can't think of a better place in the US to raise a family than Fort Collins.

[CoMoChief]

Denver, CO is an awesome place to live....if you don't care about the surrounding Bronco idiot fans...which something as important as settling down, it shouldn't. Finding a nice place to live and raise a family should weigh a lot more than the kind of team is located there lol.

CO has GREAT outodoors, prob the best in the nation, snow skiing, camping, fishing etc, sports teams, they have everything except ocean....if I could, I would live there..PLUS, they have legal medical marijuana head shops.....AWESOME

[1ChiefsDan]

If you pick Colorado, do not move to Colorado Springs or Pueblo. Just trust me on that. Besides those couple of cities, Colorado is a great place.Agree with this. I am in the south metro area Highlands Ranch. Love it here. It would take quite a bit to get me to move back to KC.

[HolyHandgernade]

Wow, my wife spent several years in Temecula, nice area.

We've been very happy here. not sure how long ago your wife left, but it has grown pretty big out here in a few short years. Both Murrieta and Temecula have over 100,000 residents, but it still has a nice small town feel to it (except at rush hour!)

My Aunt and Uncle live in Helena and just love the feel of the vastness of Montana. We went cruising down the Missouri River last time we were out. People would be surprised how many millionaires there are in Montana, its old west but it isn't shacks and cabins old west.

One of the best meals I ever had in my life, however, was in this place outside of Helena (I forget where) that looked like an old barn that was falling down! The "kitchen" was this huge open fire pit and you had your choice between steak and crab! The "appetizer bar" was out in the back, an open camp fire with marshmellows and sticks! Food was fantastic.

[Bwana]

One of the best meals I ever had in my life, however, was in this place outside of Helena (I forget where) that looked like an old barn that was falling down! The "kitchen" was this huge open fire pit and you had your choice between steak and crab! The "appetizer bar" was out in the back, an open camp fire with marshmellows and sticks! Food was fantastic.

I know the place. A friend of mine was ranting and raving about how good the food was there, so when I was in the area, I looked it up, but they were closed that day. (Just my luck)

If you ever make it back to Helena, do yourself a favor and head downtown and go into the Parrot Confectionery. (Link below) They have the best hot fudge sundaes on the face of the earth. Everything in there, is hand made and outstanding. I always make sure to make some sales calls in the area around Christmas, and bring back some of their fudge. :)

http://www.parrotchocolate.com/janda/inner.php?PageID=71

[Nightfyre]

Yes. From all the reports I get from Aunt and Uncle, you have a reasonable chance of snow 10 out of the 12 months. Some years, of course, are different and the summer can be just as hot in the Midwest, but for the most part, yes, it is cold.

That said, its also quite beautiful and if you're looking to live somewhere where you don't feel quite so "fenced in", Montana is fabulous!

Im going with Montana.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Oh yeah.

Honestly, I can't think of a better place in the US to raise a family than Fort Collins.

Cost of living good? Schools, etc?

[Mr. Laz]

depends on your financial situation as well imo

Cali is most expensive
Colorado and Kansas depends on where you live in the state

[LiveSteam]

Colorado. Somewhere between Durango & Silverton for me

[58-4ever]

I'm in Thornton, but if I could pick a city to live in, it would probably be Fort Collins.
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Yes, Fort Collins is one of the greatest places in America. I would love to live there.

[listopencil]

Colorado.


...and I live in California.

[HolyHandgernade]

I know the place. A friend of mine was ranting and raving about how good the food was there, so when I was in the area, I looked it up, but they were closed that day. (Just my luck)

If you ever make it back to Helena, do yourself a favor and head downtown and go into the Parrot Confectionery. (Link below) They have the best hot fudge sundaes on the face of the earth. Everything in there, is hand made and outstanding. I always make sure to make some sales calls in the area around Christmas, and bring back some of their fudge. :)

http://www.parrotchocolate.com/janda/inner.php?PageID=71

I have been there and you do not lie! (Well, about this anyway!)

[Bwana]

I have been there and you do not lie! (Well, about this anyway!)

LMAO

[NewChief]

Only problem with Fort Collins is the distance from ski slopes. I lived there for 2 years and we ended up going backcounty most of the time because we all hated the drive down 25 then up 70.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

We don't want to live in the city (whether that be KC or Denver, we want to live outside of it but not too far, or live in the suburb of the city where our future kids can have fellow kids to play with, definitely not in the country out in the middle of nowhere lol). Somewhere not too far away.

[chiefforlife]

I live in Northern Colorado, Longmont, which is between Boulder and Fort Collins. Its Great.
I have lived in Missouri, Colorado and have been to California several times, Hands down Colorado. The climate is awesome we have more days of sunshine than most any other state, believe it or not. If we do get a lot of snow, its gone within a couple days and its 60 degrees again.
The winters are mostly warm and sunny, the summers are never to hot. The schools are good, the state is one of the more healthy states in the union.
Its a great place to settle down, except for the football team, nothings perfect.;)

[MagicHef]

Cost of living good? Schools, etc?

Yes and yes. As Newchief noted, though, you could be forced to go backcountry skiing. That might be one of the worst things that could possibly happen to you in life.

[Mr. Laz]

I live in Northern Colorado, Longmont, which is between Boulder and Fort Collins. Its Great.
I have lived in Missouri, Colorado and have been to California several times, Hands down Colorado. The climate is awesome we have more days of sunshine than most any other state, believe it or not. If we do get a lot of snow, its gone within a couple days and its 60 degrees again.
The winters are mostly warm and sunny, the summers are never to hot. The schools are good, the state is one of the more healthy states in the union.
Its a great place to settle down, except for the football team, nothings perfect.;)
Kansas has great burb living

Overland Park,Shawnee,lenexa,Olathe(i think) etc

[KurtCobain]

We don't want to live in the city (whether that be KC or Denver, we want to live outside of it but not too far, or live in the suburb of the city where our future kids can have fellow kids to play with, definitely not in the country out in the middle of nowhere lol). Somewhere not too far away.

Sounds like you want to move to Independence.

Looking forward to meeting you.

[MagicHef]

We don't want to live in the city (whether that be KC or Denver, we want to live outside of it but not too far, or live in the suburb of the city where our future kids can have fellow kids to play with, definitely not in the country out in the middle of nowhere lol). Somewhere not too far away.

Fort Collins is about an hour and 15 minutes from Denver. If you want something closer, I would suggest Golden/Morrison/Evergreen, depending on how close you want to be.

[griZZly64]

My best friend spent a lotta years in Colorado. He always has nice things to say about it. If money isn't an issue its gotta be CA. I live in a smaller city halfway between LA and Santa Barbara. I'm not much for the big city so this area is ideal. We have the beach 10 minutes away and plenty of hills to hike. Crime here isn't an issue and most don't even lock their doors.

I saw one poster mention the diversity. If you're more comfortable in the white bred world then Cali definitely is not for you. We've got our own language over here of broken English. The thing about California is you can live in any type of climate/region you prefer. You can live where it snows, or go up north and have that small town feel with tons of beautiful redwood trees.. or you can stay near the coast where everyday its about 74 degrees. A hot day is in the 80s lol. If you prefer the desert (yikes), you can move more inland. Or you want to try your hand in the big city lights you can live in LA, San Diego, The Bay, or you could go to the shithole we call the valley.

I'm not assuming anything but if you do enjoy smoking marijuana responsibly then thats another factor. It's easy as pie to get your cannibus card. Plenty of spots where you just throw down some cash and you're in. Not to mention we've got the best quality in the world.

Oh and last thing... although CA is expensive, there are cheap areas. Up north in the smaller towns its dirt cheap. I've met people from all over the nation that came here to visit and just never left. It really is paradise. But you're starting a family and stuff so it may be more financially responsible to head to the midwest.

[griZZly64]

Northern California (707 North Coast) for the mother****ing win.

Pros
Stays around 60's-70's most of the time.
Above 85 is what these people think is 'hot'
Don't need to run an Air conditioner
Never Freezes
Lots of outdoor stuff to do
Watersports
4 hour-ish drive to Tahoe/snow in winter - if you want.
Close to the Ocean for ocean fishing, picnics, clamming, abalone etc
Lots of forest for hiking, hills / trails/ mountains
Depending on where you live you can be within an hour or two if major city (SF) and airports etc.....
Pretty laid back type of people up north, most are friendly down to earth.
Awesome food / wine / beer breweries.
Doesnt rain too much in the summer
Property taxes are quite low, and thanks to prop 13 will stay that way...Once you buy a house you are pretty well locked in at that rate for a long time...Now is a great time to buy.

Cons
Can be relatively expensive to buy property depending on where you are at...although IMO now is an awesome time to buy as prices are 50% of what they were about 5 years ago.
North of SF by too much and you may have a commute to work...
It rains quite a bit in the winter....
Within an hour or so of SF people can be a little snobby and lame
Traffic can be shitty on 101
Far away from the 'Home of the CHIEFS!!!!' so you need sunday ticket LOL.

Anyhow

NorCal is your best bet IMO. But I actually love all of the places you are choosing from, so you cannot go wrong. If you every have any questions about teh NorCal, PM me.

Wow with all my rambling I totally forgot about the people up north. Compared to norcal, the folks in socal are nazis. That was the first thing I noticed when I went up there. The people are so fuckin laid back its ridic. Very kind too. And I've seen some people mention scenery when talking about CO over CA. Hollywood dominates when people view CA from afar, but in reality we have so many beautiful areas. Where I live we have tons of crops, citrus, trees, nature... Up north you can go on amazing drives up windy ass roads thatll leave you speechless.

[Bugeater]

And I've seen some people mention scenery when talking about CO over CA.
Anyone who says that has never been to Yosemite. That place is on a level of awesome that Colorado can only dream of.

[Bugeater]

And no offense to KC, lord knows it has more going for it than the city I live in, but it shouldn't even be part of the discussion if the other two are viable options. Fuck the midwest, this place sucks ass for the most part.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

It's a tough decision. I can still get Chiefs season tickets in Colorado and I can see KU still as well. It's not that far of a drive. KC would be awesome, especially Overland Park or like Independence. My family is an hour away, her's is in Arizona...perfect lol jk. It's a tough decision as we would be happy in both. I'm a Chiefs fan and she's a Cowboys fan so I should choose due to the fact that she's misguided.

[MOhillbilly]

And no offense to KC, lord knows it has more going for it than the city I live in, but it shouldn't even be part of the discussion if the other two are viable options. **** the midwest, this place sucks ass for the most part.old fartin sob.

[SDChiefs]

San Diego.

[SDChiefs]

Ok. Ill bite. Why the hate for zona? Heat? Traffic?

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Heat and moreso for me, people.

[Bugeater]

old fartin sob.
Man I would probably like the midwest a lot more if I lived in the sticks like you do.

[prhom]

Anyone who says that has never been to Yosemite. That place is on a level of awesome that Colorado can only dream of.

I'll agree that Yosemite is pretty badass. However, you have to temper the good things CA has to offer with the fact that on any given day you're going to be sharing them with about 5,000 other gawkers. For me, that makes it less special. Colorado is still pretty crowded in many areas, but nothing that approaches the level of California.

[SDChiefs]

We don't want to live in the city (whether that be KC or Denver, we want to live outside of it but not too far, or live in the suburb of the city where our future kids can have fellow kids to play with, definitely not in the country out in the middle of nowhere lol). Somewhere not too far away.

If you have money, cardiff-by-the-sea, just north of san diego. Its great.

[prhom]

We don't want to live in the city (whether that be KC or Denver, we want to live outside of it but not too far, or live in the suburb of the city where our future kids can have fellow kids to play with, definitely not in the country out in the middle of nowhere lol). Somewhere not too far away.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2011/snapshots/PL0846355.html

Check the link out, Louisville is a pretty nice little town. Though I also really love Golden for exactly the same reasons you've listed above. I'm a little biased on Golden though since I went to school there and have lived in or near it for most of my adult life.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Heat and moreso for me, people.

Yeah the people in Arizona are straight up assholes. The rudest people I've met. Not all, but a lot of the Native Americans are jerks to you if you're white. I've never been called whitey in a derogatory way before until I moved here.

[Bugeater]

I'll agree that Yosemite is pretty badass. However, you have to temper the good things CA has to offer with the fact that on any given day you're going to be sharing them with about 5,000 other gawkers. For me, that makes it less special. Colorado is still pretty crowded in many areas, but nothing that approaches the level of California.
I don't recall crowds really being that much of an issue when I was there. At least it wasn't any worse than what I've dealt with in Colorado.

[SDChiefs]

Yeah the people in Arizona are straight up assholes. The rudest people I've met. Not all, but a lot of the Native Americans are jerks to you if you're white. I've never been called whitey in a derogatory way before until I moved here.

Yeah. Ppl say californians are assholes and I never knew an asshole til I moved to tucson.

[Psyko Tek]

If you pick Colorado, do not move to Colorado Springs or Pueblo. Just trust me on that. Besides those couple of cities, Colorado is a great place.

I loved the springs but I have lived in az for 20 some years, but I still say co above az

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

If I had unlimited funds (which I do not have), I'd go back to the Monterey Bay area in a heart beat. Loved it the two times I was out there for language school in the Army.

That being said, as retirement begins moving closer to me, I'm going to have to start looking for places to move to as I sure the heck am not staying in Maryland any longer than I have to. Just don't have that East Coast attitude (socially/politically/ethically) that I would need to stay here if the job wasn't here.

But, getting back to your question, given what you've said, I'd have to think that CO is probably what you're looking for with NoCal probably second.

Personally, I'd check out the Santa Fe/Taos area of NM myself. But that's me.

[DenverChief]

Commerce City. Most people will think I am joking until they see the "New Commerce City" aka Reunion, CO. A relatively new development out by the airport. very reasonable home prices and very burb like. Old commerce city you have to stay away from, lots of run down houses and high crime, but that is the Commerce City close to oil refineries and industrial neighborhoods in Denver.

[Miles]

Commerce City. Most people will think I am joking until they see the "New Commerce City" aka Reunion, CO. A relatively new development out by the airport. very reasonable home prices and very burb like. Old commerce city you have to stay away from, lots of run down houses and high crime, but that is the Commerce City close to oil refineries and industrial neighborhoods in Denver.

The Commerce City more around Buffalo Run golf course?

[DenverChief]

The Commerce City more around Buffalo Run golf course?

Yes. Not much of a golf player but that general area is very nice

[BWillie]

If money was not a factor I would live in Northern California. But f*** them, they want 2 million dollars for a shitty house. Colorado has to many snow hippies. I live in the Midwest and live like a freaking king on 80K.

[Ugly Duck]

California is a big place. I mean, there's a big difference between living in Barstow & living in Carmel.

[Rausch]

My wife and I have narrowed it down to these three places to where we want to settle down and make babies from my delicious loins.

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