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Tribal Warfare
08-25-2011, 01:04 AM
Chiefs’ defensive line — a puzzle early on — is putting the pieces together (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/24/3096877/chiefs-defensive-line-a-puzzle.html)
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

P layers on the Chiefs’ defensive line have a handful of new requirements in 2011. One is that they must be able to take a joke. With light-hearted and sharp-tongued teammates like nose tackle Kelly Gregg hanging around, those who lack confidence and poise may feel out of place.

“You’ve got to have thick skin to be in our D-line room,” said Gregg, signed during training camp after spending the last decade with Baltimore. “You’ve got to be able to take jokes, and roll with the flow.”

The other requirement is the kind of versatility on its line that Kansas City didn’t possess during coach Todd Haley’s first two seasons. After three offseasons of roster moves, Haley now has the defensive toys he used to lack.

Veteran lineman Wallace Gilberry spent the offseason bulking up so he could be seen as a more complete defensive lineman, rather than just a pass rusher. The Chiefs drafted Allen Bailey in the third round in April, and he is seen as a defender who could shift into several packages and situations, moving from end to nose tackle, depending on what the opposing offense is showing.

Haley said that, in addition to the three linemen expected to begin the season as starters — Gregg and ends Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey — the linemen who make the team and the active roster will be those with several talents.

“Some of these guys,” Haley said, “during regular practice are working one area, whether a sub or a base, and in that period, they’re getting the other and are really just trying to develop the skills and the technique to be a crossover guy.

“So that’ll be the key: Who’s the in-between guy? Because it’s going to come down to roster, game day; how many are you taking, five or six?”

Haley admitted that early in training camp he thought his defensive line was one of the team’s more fragile position groups. After all, many of the likely contributors seem to have defined strengths but noticeable weaknesses. Dorsey is undersized, despite settling well into the end position after playing years at tackle. Jackson struggled his first two years, despite looking the part and being drafted at No. 3 overall in 2009. Gregg, at 34, is experienced but aging. Bailey and nose tackle Jerrell Powe are rookies. And Gilberry has, at least through his first three seasons, been one-dimensional.

“Unknown, maybe, early on,” Haley said of his prospects for the line. “How’s this all going to go, because you really don’t know what you have. Now, we have a little more information to go on.”

One of the unknowns is how much Gregg can be counted on to last through the season and maintain the high level he was known for with the Ravens. Haley said he has told many of the Chiefs’ older players that it matters little what they say; he’s looking for proof that their best years aren’t behind them.

“You’ve got to show me you’ve still got it,” the coach said.

For his part, Gregg said he has worked in the preseason to prove that age hasn’t made him slower or any less effective. He said part of his job is to mentor the Chiefs’ younger lineman, in particular Powe, the team’s sixth-round pick this year. Other chores are to keep up with the youngsters’ energy and, though he’s more a base-defense defender than a versatile crossover player, encourage his teammates to do all they can to impress coaches and make an impact.

“A lot of times,” he said, “you get guys set in their ways — I just want to play the run, I just want to rush the passer — but no, these guys are willing to do anything you ask them. … Here, you’ve got to try to do both, or you’ll be sitting there watching.”

Haley said that, after a tenuous first two weeks, he has become more comfortable with a position group that has many question marks, a few jokers and perhaps the fate of Kansas City’s 2011 defense on its shoulders.

“The light goes on for guys at different times,” he said.

“I guess I’ve seen the light go on for a few guys here recently.”

Ebolapox
08-25-2011, 06:32 AM
I'm actually excited to see what our d-line can do this year. I think it's a huge advantage, this versatility.

Mr. Laz
08-25-2011, 09:54 AM
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Tribal Warfare
08-25-2011, 09:55 AM
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whoman69
08-25-2011, 10:08 AM
Its been a long time since d-line was not a weak link on the Chiefs. This D is going to need to make improvements from last year because it looks like the O is taking a step back despite new weapons being added.

Reerun_KC
08-25-2011, 10:17 AM
Its been a long time since d-line was not a weak link on the Chiefs. This D is going to need to make improvements from last year because it looks like the O is taking a step back despite new weapons being added.

Where you getting this from?

Chiefnj2
08-25-2011, 10:26 AM
Where you getting this from?

I'd presume from the 2 preseason games and all of the daily practice reports which say "The defense once again had the upper hand on the offense today".

Reerun_KC
08-25-2011, 10:28 AM
I'd presume from the 2 preseason games and all of the daily practice reports which say "The defense once again had the upper hand on the offense today".

Oh okay... Phew, I feel better about it... Thankfully its only practice and preseason...

I was about to go full on panic...

Mr. Laz
08-25-2011, 10:32 AM
Where you getting this from?
umm ... from watching the games

from hearing reports out of camp


Could this all just be preseason? Yes, the Chiefs might be able to ramp it up and get it going. Considering we went from Weis to Muir, i wouldn't be confident about it.

Have to wait and hope

Buckweath
08-25-2011, 11:27 AM
You have to understand that the defense could be a top 5 unit as soon as this year and the offense is more likely to be a top 10-15 unit because of Cassel and the Oline (average to above-average but Cassel would need a top Oline). So it's just normal that the defense is dominating the offense and it has to be said that the Chiefs haven't used their main weapon yet in preseason, let's not forget jamaal Charles.

Chiefnj2
08-25-2011, 12:07 PM
You have to understand that the defense could be a top 5 unit as soon as this year and the offense is more likely to be a top 10-15 unit because of Cassel and the Oline (average to above-average but Cassel would need a top Oline). So it's just normal that the defense is dominating the offense and it has to be said that the Chiefs haven't used their main weapon yet in preseason, let's not forget jamaal Charles.

I'm not ready to crown the D yet when the Ravens first unit had WR's wide open all over the field. If Flacco wasn't pulling a Cassel they would have had at least 2 TDs.

rocknrolla
08-25-2011, 12:18 PM
Its been a long time since d-line was not a weak link on the Chiefs. This D is going to need to make improvements from last year because it looks like the O is taking a step back despite new weapons being added.

This is what I was thinking also.

Chiefnj2
08-25-2011, 12:21 PM
How many DL do you think they keep? 6?

Jax, Gregg, Dorsey with Bailey, Powe and Gilberry as the subs/2nd team?

Mr. Laz
08-25-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm not ready to crown the D yet when the Ravens first unit had WR's wide open all over the field. If Flacco wasn't pulling a Cassel they would have had at least 2 TDs.
Agreed the team hasn't looked good yet.

The defense has shown signs of some good things though. The offense can't seem to stop tripping over it's own feet.

WR's don't seem to be getting much separation
OL is sketchy no matter what some people around here say
Cassel looks scared
Offensive scheme looks sophomoric, even for the preseason

lets hope to hell that they really can 'flip the switch' and turn it on.

HemiEd
08-25-2011, 12:34 PM
Cassel looks scared


This is new? That is the only part that worries me, he is still Cassel.

Easy 6
08-25-2011, 04:17 PM
The D is just sooo poised to make a quantum leap this year, i dont think top 5 is entirely out of the question... all of the talented rooks, second & third year guys coming into their own, Romeo's had his hand on the wheel for a while now, it could get real hot for opposing O's this year.

Also, not so sure Gilberry shouldnt have just stayed at his old weight & found his niche there as a pass rush specialist, if he's added too much bulk it could hurt the one thing we know he's good at.

whoman69
08-26-2011, 01:37 PM
Where you getting this from?

Really?!

You haven't seen the daily reports about the Chiefs D shutting down the O. You haven't heard about Baldwin being out for the rest of the preaseason. You haven't heard about Gaither? You didn't see the goosegg that Tampa Bay put down on us?

Reerun_KC
08-26-2011, 01:52 PM
Really?!

You haven't seen the daily reports about the Chiefs D shutting down the O. You haven't heard about Baldwin being out for the rest of the preaseason. You haven't heard about Gaither? You didn't see the goosegg that Tampa Bay put down on us?

I have learned following the Chiefs for the last 20+ years... You dont put much stock into the KC Media...

Also its super hard to gauge WTF is going on with Haley running his own version of preseason this year....

So its hards to really get a grasp on it...

Messier
08-26-2011, 02:04 PM
Really?!

You haven't seen the daily reports about the Chiefs D shutting down the O. You haven't heard about Baldwin being out for the rest of the preaseason. You haven't heard about Gaither? You didn't see the goosegg that Tampa Bay put down on us?

So if the O was lighting it up in camp would you be worried about the D? You can't win when you're playing your own team. If one side looks good, the other must be bad, right?

This happens every year. I'm surprised people never remember. The o is always the last to get going. I find it hard to believe the o won't at least be as good, if not better than last year. They've add players, and other younger players are hitting their prime.

The old Vermeil teams, you know, the ones with the record setting offenses? Use to score 10-14 points a game in the preseason.

The playbook is barely being used at this point, and the key strategy is lets not get anybody hurt.

Mr. Laz
08-26-2011, 02:25 PM
the key strategy is lets not get anybody hurt.
yea ... let's see how that works out.

Messier
08-26-2011, 03:10 PM
yea ... let's see how that works out.

What do you mean?

Deberg_1990
08-26-2011, 03:43 PM
Really?!

You haven't seen the daily reports about the Chiefs D shutting down the O. You haven't heard about Baldwin being out for the rest of the preaseason. You haven't heard about Gaither? You didn't see the goosegg that Tampa Bay put down on us?

:facepalm: Im still shocked that die hard Chiefs fans continue to put so much stock into preseason football.....every single year.

LOCOChief
08-26-2011, 03:49 PM
Didn't Haley acknowledge that it wouldn't necessarily be fair to expect the offense to dominate at this point as a result of lack of scheming?

Oh and we will have a top 5 defense this year! (at least I hope, they're my fantasy D)

RedThat
08-26-2011, 03:58 PM
Imo, the defense has more talent than the offense.

The defense also has better coaching than the offense.

Put those two factors together and one should know that the defense is ahead of the offense.

rocknrolla
08-26-2011, 04:23 PM
All I know is we have some bad ass DB"S!

whoman69
08-26-2011, 05:18 PM
:facepalm: Im still shocked that die hard Chiefs fans continue to put so much stock into preseason football.....every single year.

Sorry, still used to watching the Chiefs suck behind Herm in preseason, and carrying that over into the regular season. Last time this team won more than 2 preseason games was 2003 and we were pretty good that year.

Blick
08-26-2011, 05:43 PM
The defense could really be good if Romeo was more aggressive, I think.

When we get pressure, we look really fucking good.

When we try to drop 7-8 and only rush 3 or 4, QB's tend to find open guys on us.

Being more aggressive would help us get off the field on 3rd downs, IMO.