Branden Albert is innocent.

[Hammock Parties]

I think these screenshots show that Albert is just fine (other than a play or two) and Richardson (as usual) is the real issue.

This is every pass play we ran save one, which was a 20-yard completion to Urban.

#1 - Play-action fake, 0 pressure. Cassel is late with the throw, incomplete. Looks like Richardson is holding. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/1.jpg

#2 - Another play fake, Moeaki, not Albert, gets beaten by the defensive end. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/2.jpg

#3 - Quick screen to some scrub. 0 pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/3.jpg

#4 - Another play fake, the blitz comes up the middle and Charles can't get in position to pick it up. Richardson is getting beat around the edge. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/4.jpg

#5 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, Mo drops it. Mo is having a shitty preseason. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/5.jpg

#6 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, scrub makes an exciting catch for two yards.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/6.jpg

#7 - Middle screen, Rams sniff it out and it's dead.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/7.jpg

#8 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, complete to Steve Titty. Looks like Richardson is holding again. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/8.jpg

#9 - Wiegmann snaps the ball early and both tackles get "beat." Either this is on Wiegmann or everyone else didn't know the snap count, because they all get out of their stances late. Albert is guilty of being as dumb as everyone else or smarter than Wiegmann.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/9.jpg

#10 - Palko's in, 0 pressure, pass to breasts.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/10.jpg

#11 - Rams blitz #24, Palko hits his hot read (some scrub). No pressure from Albert's man.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/11.jpg

#12 -Nice pocket, no pressure from Albert's man.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/12.jpg

#13 -Richardson gets beat, gets called for holding. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/13.jpg

#14 -Quick pass, both tackles cut their man. Sort of a shitty cut on Albert's part but, eh, irrelevant....and innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/14.jpg

#15 - Albert and Richardson ride their men out of the play, Palko steps up into a clean pocket and overthrows Mo. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/15.jpg

#16 - Screen pass.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/16.jpg

#17 - Richardson gets beat, some scrub gets destroyed on the blitz pickup. Complete to Urban.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/17.jpg

#18 - Albert gets beat horribly. This is the first true pressure Albert allows during the entire game so far. Cassel escapes and dumps it to a scrub. Albert is guilty of giving up Richardson-like pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/18.jpg

#19 - Cassel's pass is batted at the line. 0 pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/19.jpg

#20 - Throw to Bowe who is interfered with, no call. Albert's man gets to the inside but stops as soon as the ball is thrown. Albert could have recovered most likely. End result: innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/20.jpg

Anyway, one guy can play his position, one guy is a disaster.

FIN

[Hammock Parties]

Here's the gif of the blown snap count play:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/argh.gif

[Crush]

CASSEL ONLY NEEDS 7 TO 10 SECONDS.

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

The "scrub player" had a pretty good game last night.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wow.

Lawyered.

[Hammock Parties]

The "scrub player" had a pretty good game last night.

Eh, he did nothing special whatsoever.

[Bane]

CASSEL ONLY NEEDS 7 TO 10 SECONDS.

And a $200 million roster around him!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!ROFL

[Crush]

Richardson is indeed horrible. He is the Jackie Battle of RTs.

[threebag]

Albert is innocent.

[morphius]

Richardson is indeed horrible. He is the Jackie Battle of RTs.
Richardson was getting destroyed by the second team players, it was pathetic.

[the Talking Can]

thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

[Hammock Parties]

In Richardson's defense, Chris Long is going to be an elite DE in this league, and we were running a pass-first offense last night, trying to get something going deep.

We won't start many games like that this year.

[CoMoChief]

Cassel still sucks.....horrible accuracy even if he does get time.

[milkman]

thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

[the Talking Can]

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

yup....refs did us no favors last night

[Backwards Masking]

I've been very happy with Alberts play for the most part over the last year or so (minus some miscues). Hudson played well last night as well. Clearly Richardson is the one not pulling his weight.

Great videos GoChiefs, really easy to anaylze who's playing well and who isn't when you have them all next to each other and ready to play. Appreciate it.

Cassel had better play better come regular season. I think turning it on come a real game is going to be difficult, but he did it last year (sort of). I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in the meantime, but man I watch these clips and it's hard not to worry.

[KCrockaholic]

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

Check Richardson on that play. I heard the call was actually meant to be on Richardson. Which would be stupid considering it would be in the opposite direction of the play being ran.

[Three7s]

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.
The refs did seem to be calling just about every single penalty that even looked CLOSE to a penalty. I doubt some of those are called in the regular season.

[Hammock Parties]

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

[the Talking Can]

Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

albert rides his man out of the play and picks up a second defender keeping charles clean


nice

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'd like to see a full GIF of #5, please.

I don't have access to the replay, but from what I remember, Mo was open and Cassel overshot him.

[The Bad Guy]

Richardson is fucking dog shit. He's one of the worst RTs in the entire league. Replace him immediately. His play is unacceptable.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

That's holding every single time.

The Rams DL was getting off the block, and Hudson grabbed him.

[Hammock Parties]

I'd like to see a full GIF of #5, please.

I don't have access to the replay, but from what I remember, Mo was open and Cassel overshot him.

The pass was a little bit high, but catchable.

[milkman]

That gif of Hudson's block isn't working for me.
For some reason, there is a gif here and there that just aren't running completely through, like they get stuck.

This is one of those.

But from waht I saw last night, Hudson gets his hands under the pads and keeps his man engaged.

Looked like the defender lost his balance when Hudson disengages.

But as I said last night, I wasn't watching closely, so I'll take a closer look when I rewatch the game.

[DJ's left nut]

thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

Exactly right - well almost.

You forgot to speak to sacoshit, who's still asshurt that we have the best safety in football on our team instead of Okung, so he'll blister Albert any chance he gets.

Even from the stands you could tell that Albert was having a very nice game and that Richardson...well, he was not. Frankly, he had as bad a game as I've ever seen from an O-Lineman and I watched 2 seasons of Jordan Black.

It also appeared that Studebaker had a miserable game from where I sat as well, but that's a hijack for a different day. He and Jackson were completely incapable of holding the edge.

The 3 worst players on the field yesterday were Richardson, Stude and Jackson.

[the Talking Can]

i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

[OnTheWarpath15]

The pass was a little bit high, but catchable.

I'd still like to see it when you have time.

[the Talking Can]

Exactly right - well almost.

You forgot to speak to sacoshit, who's still asshurt that we have the best safety in football on our team instead of Okung, so he'll blister Albert any chance he gets.

Even from the stands you could tell that Albert was having a very nice game and that Richardson...well, he was not. Frankly, he had as bad a game as I've ever seen from an O-Lineman and I watched 2 seasons of Jordan Black.

It also appeared that Studebaker had a miserable game from where I sat as well, but that's a hijack for a different day. He and Jackson were completely incapable of holding the edge.

The 3 worst players on the field yesterday were Richardson, Stude and Jackson.


amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

[tonyetony]

Sorry Clay but screen shots and smartly edited GIFs won't be able to justify your love for Albert. Albert and Richardson played like ass last night period. After breaking down the tape I think Albert looks totally lost at times in these zone blocking schemes so some of his apparent regression rests squarely on the coaching staff. Good gawd look at pic #2, if that's all our LT has to offer in pass protection we might as well line up Pope over there and cover him with Moeaki.

After last week and looking at pic #14 I think the coaching staff better wise up and and quit depending on Albert to execute a decent cut block because either 1-he sucks at it and doesn't have the skill to make consistent cut blocks or 2- he hasn't been adequately coached to execute the block effectively.

[Hammock Parties]

I'd still like to see it when you have time.

It's very blurry. From what I can tell Mo was late reacting to the ball.

[milkman]

i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

[Hammock Parties]

Sorry Clay but screen shots and smartly edited GIFs won't be able to justify your love for Albert.

Haha, what?

The guy gave up one legit pressure all night.

You're blind if you see anything else. Period.

Accusing me of editing gifs....nice....fuck yourself.

This has nothing to do with "love" for Albert. I'm just committed to the truth about Albert and people are being unfair. A lot of idiots see pressure coming from the blindside and don't even realize it was the TE blowing the block.

Good gawd look at pic #2, if that's all our LT has to offer in pass protection we might as well line up Pope over there and cover him with Moeaki.

It was a play-action fake. Albert carried out his run fake and then turned around and saw Moeaki getting absolutely beasted by the DE. Not sure how that's his fault.

As for the cut block, it had exactly 0 impact on the play.

[the Talking Can]

And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

yeah, i thought that was an obvious call....life in the nfl

[tonyetony]

And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

The officiating was pathetic last night. After re-watching it the Rams OL was blatantly holding consistently and getting away with it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

I'd like to see that play again as well.

From what I remember, Bowe was jammed at his break, which is legal.

The defender had perfect coverage on him the entire route, and I don't recall him grabbing or hooking Bowe. Remember, he can have a hand on his back, and it's perfectly legal. Just can't grab or hook an arm.

Again, I'm going from memory, but it just looked like good coverage to me.

The bigger question is why we're running a 6 yard route on 3rd and (IIRC) 9 or 10.

[Rams Fan]

The play you're talking about is Fletcher breaking up a pass with Bowe.

[Hammock Parties]

I'd like to see that play again as well.

From what I remember, Bowe was jammed at his break, which is legal.

The defender had perfect coverage on him the entire route, and I don't recall him grabbing or hooking Bowe. Remember, he can have a hand on his back, and it's perfectly legal. Just can't grab or hook an arm.

Again, I'm going from memory, but it just looked like good coverage to me.

The bigger question is why we're running a 6 yard route on 3rd and (IIRC) 9 or 10.

I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

[milkman]

i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

I can see why they call it, but from where I sat, Hudson has his hads under the pads, and when the defender tries to disingage and lunges, Hudson gives him a push that knocks him off balance which helps him to the ground quicker.

[tonyetony]

Haha, what?

The guy gave up one legit pressure all night.

You're blind if you see anything else. Period.

Accusing me of editing gifs....nice....**** yourself.

This has nothing to do with "love" for Albert. I'm just committed to the truth about Albert and people are being unfair. A lot of idiots see pressure coming from the blindside and don't even realize it was the TE blowing the block.



It was a play-action fake. Albert carried out his run fake and then turned around and saw Moeaki getting absolutely beasted by the DE. Not sure how that's his fault.

As for the cut block, it had exactly 0 impact on the play.

I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

[Rams Fan]

I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

Better be a Mikell highlight in there.

[milkman]

amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

Studebaker's limitations are made clearer by Sheffield, as well.

Sheffield is not only a faster, more athletic pass rusher, but he was better in run defense last night as well, and it wasn't even close.

Houston is just a freak.

[Hammock Parties]

I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

I don't see a HOFer, but comparing Albert to Richardson is wrong. Albert is an average left tackle, maybe a tad better. Richardson is a disaster.

One pressure in 20 snaps is not an issue as far as I'm concerned.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I can see why they call it, but from where I sat, Hudson has his hads under the pads, and when the defender tries to disingage and lunges, Hudson gives him a push that knocks him off balance which helps him to the ground quicker.

Hudson did have his hands under the pads. To start.

To me, it looks like when the DL tries to disengage, Hudson moves his hand from a legal hold under the pads, to the outside, underneath the armpit - grabbing the outside of the chest plate.

[DJ's left nut]

amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

Houston had better be a player.

If not, it's going to be a long year against the rush. And with Belcher's issues in pass coverage and often playing the strong side, the left side of our defense is going to be abused if that's the best we can do.

[TRR]

#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

And he can be right on him - that's his job.

Now, if he grabbed Bowe or hooked an arm, that's a different story.

Personally, I'm more concerned that we're running routes short of the marker on 3rd down. Again.

[the Talking Can]

Houston had better be a player.

If not, it's going to be a long year against the rush. And with Belcher's issues in pass coverage and often playing the strong side, the left side of our defense is going to be abused if that's the best we can do.

i think Houston just needs reps, and needs experience so he knows what's coming at him....at Georgia he was mostly just attacking the QB


he'll have some rough rookie moments, like Berry...but from what i've seen, he's better than i thought and will pick it up

[DJ's left nut]

I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

[Brock]

Cassel shits the bed - Blame Albert

[OnTheWarpath15]

i think Houston just needs reps, and needs experience so he knows what's coming at him....at Georgia he was mostly just attacking the QB


he'll have some rough rookie moments, like Berry...but from what i've seen, he's better than i thought and will pick it up

He's definitely got a shit-ton of talent, but he's really raw. Going to be a lot of growing pains.

I'd rather go through his growing pains this year than watch Studebaker though.

[tonyetony]

I don't see a HOFer, but comparing Albert to Richardson is wrong. Albert is an average left tackle, maybe a tad better. Richardson is a disaster.

One pressure in 20 snaps is not an issue as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not comparing them because that would be apples to oranges at this point. If they would try Gaither at LT and Albert at RT or vice versus I could make a comparison but right now O'Failahan is the only thing I have to compare and we all know that he isn't the answer.

[Brock]

Albert forgot to tell Cassel you can't call a timeout after a timeout!

[Hammock Parties]

#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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His job was not to help Moeaki. His job was to carry out a run fake on the d-line in front of him.

Albert can't act like he's pass blocking....it's a run fake for crying out loud.

[OnTheWarpath15]

If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

The shame of it is, Albert's potential is so much higher, and he's not reaching it.

Dude was pretty fucking solid his rookie year. Then the coaching change happened, and he's regressed.

I think Muir holds a lot of blame as to why this kid has seemed to stall.

And what the fuck is with the goddamn cut blocks?

[DJ's left nut]

#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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Regarding 2 - how?

He had to sell his run block - yes? It was an outside rush from the DE and Moeaki was a damn freeway to the QB. Even had Albert turned and sprinted from the line, just exactly how was he going to help Moeaki there? Moeaki made matters even worse by routing the lineman even further away from his help.

There was absolutely nothing that Albert could have done on that play. He doesn't have rockets in his ass and the DE wasn't going to stop running to give him a chance to get back and protect. Had Moeaki provided even marginal protect and routed his man inside, you can see that Albert was on his way back to clean it up.

That was 100% Moeaki (and being outschemed).

[chiefzilla1501]

I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

I don't think he's saying he's a HOFer. You're saying he's a serious issue. The gifs aren't perfect, but I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that he's a serious issue unless he had already made up his mind prior to seeing this thread. He has his guy locked up on most plays. There are less than a handful where he looked like he isn't, and in the few that he isn't, there were a few where someone else blew their assignment.

[tonyetony]

If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

I agree with most of what you say except that Albert has a lot of room for growth. If your right and he has a lot of room for growth I don't believe that growth will occur at LT.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't think he's saying he's a HOFer. You're saying he's a serious issue. The gifs aren't perfect, but I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that he's a serious issue unless he had already made up his mind prior to seeing this thread. He has his guy locked up on most plays. There are less than a handful where he looked like he isn't, and in the few that he isn't, there were a few where someone else blew their assignment.

And again, critiquing about a cut block is ticky-tack. Again, the main goal is to just deter the pass rusher's progress so the QB can get off a quick pass. 9 times out of 10 in those situations, unless you flat out blow your cut, the pass rusher isn't going to come close to getting to the QB.

[DJ's left nut]

I agree with most of what you say except that Albert has a lot of room for growth. If your right and he has a lot of room for growth I don't believe that growth will occur at LT.

The physical ability is there.

His frame is ideal for a LT (well actually, Gaither's is, but Gaither's a freak). And his feet really are quick. Every now and then you'll see him lock it in for a few plays and you'll see just how talented he is.

What separates Albert from the truly excellent LTs is consistency. When Albert is playing well, there are few better. But the problem is that he's still so raw at T that his technique abandons him on a fair occasion.

He's big, he has long arms and quick feet. He's played 3 seasons of tackle after playing guard through most of college. As a rookie he did so quite admirably and even over the last couple of years he's shown flashes of excellence.

How can you not see significant room for growth there?

[milkman]

And what the **** is with the goddamn cut blocks?

Cut blocks have always been one of Muir's favorite pass block techniue's.

One of the reasons I hated it when he was hired.

[the Talking Can]

people need to take out their frustrations on the right people:

Richardson..was terrible

blitz pick up...whole squad seems to struggle with this

Cassel...makes everything hard...the play has to be perfect for him to operate, which is unreasonable in the nfl...he's spooked in the pocket, locks on to WR, and doesn't read the field



Albert....does his job, but unspectacular-ly, so people wail that he isn't Roaf...

[tonyetony]

And again, critiquing about a cut block is ticky-tack. Again, the main goal is to just deter the pass rusher's progress so the QB can get off a quick pass. 9 times out of 10 in those situations, unless you flat out blow your cut, the pass rusher isn't going to come close to getting to the QB.

He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

[WhiteWhale]

Cut blocks have always been one of Muir's favorite pass block techniue's.

One of the reasons I hated it when he was hired.

Yeah, I don't like it either.

Albert is particularly bad at cut blocking on those 3 step drops. Lots of times he doesn't even slow his rusher down. There are things that some guys aren't good at, and it's up to coaches and scheme to cover up those warts.

Nobody NEEDS Albert to cut block on passing plays, and he's not good at it. Why is he still doing it?

[Hammock Parties]

He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

Tamba Hali sucks in coverage....guess he's terrible

[chiefzilla1501]

The physical ability is there.

His frame is ideal for a LT (well actually, Gaither's is, but Gaither's a freak). And his feet really are quick. Every now and then you'll see him lock it in for a few plays and you'll see just how talented he is.

What separates Albert from the truly excellent LTs is consistency. When Albert is playing well, there are few better. But the problem is that he's still so raw at T that his technique abandons him on a fair occasion.

He's big, he has long arms and quick feet. He's played 3 seasons of tackle after playing guard through most of college. As a rookie he did so quite admirably and even over the last couple of years he's shown flashes of excellence.

How can you not see significant room for growth there?

Not to mention that most of our criticisms are on the pass blocking side. He's a terrific run blocker, and you're right, it's hard to deny that he's improving on the pass blocking side (then again... we'll see how he does once teams start throwing the book at the Chiefs)

[chiefzilla1501]

He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

And in those situations where he did, the QB easily got the throw off without pressure.

He obviously has to get better at it. But it's really not that important to throw an overwhelming cut block on those 3-step drop quick passes.

[tonyetony]

Tamba Hali sucks in coverage....guess he's terrible

Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

[RealSNR]

Gaither said he'd probably play RT, yeah? That's what he was doing in practice before his minor week-long injury?

If that's the case there's hope for this offensive line after all. It could end up being just fine as long as we keep the injuries at the tackle spots down.

Interior depth is just fine. The guards and tackles didn't skip a beat with Lilja out. Hudson's pretty awesome.

[lcarus]

The refs did seem to be calling just about every single penalty that even looked CLOSE to a penalty. I doubt some of those are called in the regular season.

From my perspective, I was so hungry for a positive play on offense, that when they called holding on several positive plays, I felt we were being screwed. But that was just my emotion. Looking back at them, especially the Charles TD, they were the correct calls. For the most part anyway.

[RealSNR]

Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.You still haven't delivered one shred of evidence to dispute Clay's claim that Albert didn't have a bad game last night.

[tonyetony]

You still haven't delivered one shred of evidence to dispute Clay's claim that Albert didn't have a bad game last night.

Our first team Offense played like crap last night and Albert wasn't the diamond in the rough. Check out the first half stats.

[DJ's left nut]

Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

Note to all:

When someone's getting their ass kicked in an argument, they tend to create straw men, overstate their opponent's position and then try to appeal to a common whipping boy in an attempt to change the subject and create a new dog pile that they're not on the bottom of.

What you have right here is a textbook debate tactic for someone that's clearly trying to flog the last dying breaths from a expiring horse.

Seriously - the above post should be framed somewhere.

[DJ's left nut]

Our first team Offense played like crap last night and Albert wasn't the diamond in the rough. Check out the first half stats.

You should stick to obfuscation and straw men - trying to marshall an argument clearly isn't your strong suit.

[TRR]

Regarding 2 - how?

He had to sell his run block - yes? It was an outside rush from the DE and Moeaki was a damn freeway to the QB. Even had Albert turned and sprinted from the line, just exactly how was he going to help Moeaki there? Moeaki made matters even worse by routing the lineman even further away from his help.

There was absolutely nothing that Albert could have done on that play. He doesn't have rockets in his ass and the DE wasn't going to stop running to give him a chance to get back and protect. Had Moeaki provided even marginal protect and routed his man inside, you can see that Albert was on his way back to clean it up.

That was 100% Moeaki (and being outschemed).

Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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[tonyetony]

You should stick to obfuscation and straw men - trying to marshall an argument clearly isn't your strong suit.

So your telling me that these screen shots and the related comments confirm in your mind that Albert played well last night. From what I am able to re-watch on DVR because of the technical difficulties our line play as a whole was not that good especially the tackle positions.

[tk13]

I think the depth of the Richardson problem has been hiding for a while now because everyone is focused on Cassel. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing though. Stanzi could be the next Tom Brady for all we know, but he'll never get there until the line can hold the pocket better. Somebody like Cassel has no chance. Elite guys like Manning and Rodgers would obviously do better, but even they would start making mistakes if guys are basically getting free run at them, just look at some of Manning's playoff losses. It's not that he's struggling as people put good moves on him, guys just speed rush run around the right side.

[milkman]

Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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Albert does turn and run in an attempt to get back to help Moeaki, but as left nit states, he needed ass rockets to get there.

[DJ's left nut]

Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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I'm saying that a confluence of events could make that happen, not that it was designed.

Again - just exactly how could Albert 'slide' over to block the man that ran an outside blitz and was then pushed even further outside?

You're saying he should've just done it, but I have to ask you exactly how that would've been possible. What lineman in the history of the NFL could've sold a run block and covered the 5 yards that the D-lineman just gained on him in the approximately 1 second that it took Moeakie to get his shit pushed in? On that particular play, it is physically impossible for Albert to get back in time to help.

it certainly wasn't designed for Albert to touch nobody - but that's why I said it was Moeaki AND the scheme that failed. Once the DE took off straight upfield and didn't even begin to bite on the run fake - that play was in a TON of trouble. The play is designed to get the DE to bite on the run fake and that would give Albert the time he needed to slide over and help. Here, the end simply sold out and took off upfield. Suddenly you ended up with a TE matched up with a DE - clearly that was not the design. The Rams simply won the scheme matchup there.

There was absolutely nothing Albert could have done there. I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

[DJ's left nut]

So your telling me that these screen shots and the related comments confirm in your mind that Albert played well last night. From what I am able to re-watch on DVR because of the technical difficulties our line play as a whole was not that good especially the tackle positions.

Yes - that's exactly what I'm telling you.

Brandon Albert played a solid football game last night.

[RealSNR]

Our first team Offense played like crap last night and Albert wasn't the diamond in the rough. Check out the first half stats.The issue isn't that the starting offense played like AIDS last night (which they did). We're talking about Brandon Albert. Last time I checked the NFL hasn't issued an accurate stat sheet for offensive linemen, and even if they do, they don't release it from game to game.

[RealSNR]

So your telling me that these screen shots and the related comments confirm in your mind that Albert played well last night. From what I am able to re-watch on DVR because of the technical difficulties our line play as a whole was not that good especially the tackle positions.Verran Tucker dropped a lot of catchable shit last night.

Does that mean we should blame Dwayne Bowe?

[tonyetony]

1st Half Team Stat Comparison


St. Louis Kansas City
1st Downs 13 5
Passing 1st downs 7 4
Rushing 1st downs 6 1
1st downs from penalties 0 0
3rd down efficiency 7-10 2-7
4th down efficiency 0-0 0-0
Total Plays 42 26
Total Yards 210 99
Passing 87 85
Comp-Att 9-16 10-19
Yards per pass 5.4 4.5
Rushing 123 14
Rushing Attempts 25 6
Yards per rush 4.9 2.3
Red Zone (Made-Att) 2-2 0-1
Penalties 2-15 3-25
Turnovers 1 0
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 1 0
Possession 19:07 10:53


It's team game and these are the stats our 1st Team Offense put up last night. There is plenty of blame to spread around including the coaching staff. It is just preseason and pretty vanilla stuff but I expected a little more production from our starters vanilla or not.

[RealSNR]

Five first downs. That's pathetic. Brandon Albert has GOT to do a better job of executing.

Sheesh. Take a logic class, dude.

[DJ's left nut]

Five first downs. That's pathetic. Brandon Albert has GOT to do a better job of executing.

Sheesh. Take a logic class, dude.

Like I said - he's not very good at this.

[tonyetony]

Five first downs. That's pathetic. Brandon Albert has GOT to do a better job of executing.

Sheesh. Take a logic class, dude.

Come on man I am not blaming it all on any single player and I am in no way defending Cassel. I don't think anyone on offense played that great last night in the first half including Albert.

[bowener]

Can a QB guru tell me if Cassel's stride needs to be that huge?

It looks like he has 7 feet between his hind foot and front foot... seems like an inefficient way to throw, but I'm really not sure.

[milkman]

Can a QB guru tell me if Cassel's stride needs to be that huge?

It looks like he has 7 feet between his hind foot and front foot... seems like an inefficient way to throw, but I'm really not sure.

I'm not a QB guru, but a QB needs short, crisp steps in his dropback, and when his backfoot hits, he should be in position to make a throw.

If his feet are too far apart, he has to adjust his feet to be in position, and Cassel has to adjust on nearly every play.

Cassel shuffles more than steps.

[Chiefnj2]

The entire 1st string offense is sloppy. Playcalling hasn't been all that good, WR separation is an issue and Cassel hasn't looked comfortable since Weis announced his departure last year. Whatever Zorn has done and is doing with Cassel isn't working.

[Blick]

The pass interference non-call was definitely PI, illegal contact, holding, or something. The guy had his hand on the front of Bowe's jersey, around the stomach/chest area, like he was trying to dance with Bowe or give him a ****ing hug. Can't believe nothing wasn't called.

[ReynardMuldrake]

1st Half Team Stat Comparison


St. Louis Kansas City
1st Downs 13 5
Passing 1st downs 7 4
Rushing 1st downs 6 1
1st downs from penalties 0 0
3rd down efficiency 7-10 2-7
4th down efficiency 0-0 0-0
Total Plays 42 26
Total Yards 210 99
Passing 87 85
Comp-Att 9-16 10-19
Yards per pass 5.4 4.5
Rushing 123 14
Rushing Attempts 25 6
Yards per rush 4.9 2.3
Red Zone (Made-Att) 2-2 0-1
Penalties 2-15 3-25
Turnovers 1 0
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 1 0
Possession 19:07 10:53


It's team game and these are the stats our 1st Team Offense put up last night. There is plenty of blame to spread around including the coaching staff. It is just preseason and pretty vanilla stuff but I expected a little more production from our starters vanilla or not.


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[ReynardMuldrake]

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Those numbers look wrong, I know STL got one 1st down from a penalty, we had a 4th down conversion, we had two INTs, and I know we had more than three penalties.

[Reaper16]

Worse performance: the Chiefs last night or Tonyetony in this thread?

[morphius]

The pass interference non-call was definitely PI, illegal contact, holding, or something. The guy had his hand on the front of Bowe's jersey, around the stomach/chest area, like he was trying to dance with Bowe or give him a ****ing hug. Can't believe nothing wasn't called.
We've already seen that a lot this year, the second game he was having to try to make one handed catches because people were holding his other arm.

[tonyetony]

Worse performance: the Chiefs last night or Tonyetony in this thread?

The Chiefs but I wasn't much better in this thread. I spent more time re-watching the game this morning than commenting on the planet. I probably should have said I am not as sold on Albert as our LT as most the people commenting in this thread are. Sorry man.

[Crush]

Albert was fine and Richardson was terrible. Cassel was an abortion. How dare Albert not give Cassel the necessary ten seconds needed for him to be an average QB.

[Chris Meck]

albert rides his man out of the play and picks up a second defender keeping charles clean


nice

But...but, Saccosh!t says Albert has terrible feet and never gets to the second level! That film can't be true!:D

[Groves]

Is this typical for Richardson, then? or just a bad night.

I assume Hali can play both sides, right? I mean if Hali was playing against us, why would he ever leave Richardson's side? Doesn't matter how good Albert/Gaither is.

Almost makes me long for I-65. What was that guys name?

[beach tribe]

thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

I just want to say one thing. I know Cassel has been holding the ball too long sometimes, and I am also aware that Albert was only ranked, I believe, one spot higher at his position in pass blocking than Richardson.
Is it CP policy that I have to think either Cassel has sucked, OR the linemen suck, or can I actually stand behind what I've been seeing, which is some sucktitude out of both Ts, and the QB?
The difference between Albert, and Richardson though is: Albert is getting better whether people know it or not, and he's going to end up being well above serviceable at some point. Richardson is a waste of a fucking roster spot. Jordan Black is the only other T I've see play as shitty as that turd. I'd rather have Mims in there developing than have that piece of shit in there. The results aren't going to be much different. Richardson's Jersey is the opponents red carpet to the QB. He's

[beach tribe]

Is this typical for Richardson, then? or just a bad night.

I assume Hali can play both sides, right? I mean if Hali was playing against us, why would he ever leave Richardson's side? Doesn't matter how good Albert/Gaither is.

Almost makes me long for I-65. What was that guys name?

Jordan Black. I've been watching Richardson specifically starting at the beginning of last year, and he's a sack of pig shit.

[beach tribe]

Albert was fine and Richardson was terrible. Cassel was an abortion. How dare Albert not give Cassel the necessary ten seconds needed for him to be an average QB.

Doesn't matter if Albert does or not. Cassel HAS to pay attention to the pass rush coming through the RT if he wants to even make it to the season opener.

[JoeyChuckles]

This is the kind of thread I come here for. Real analysis.

Awesome.

[Bowser]

It seems to me like we're having the exact same preseason we had last year. I mean, photocopy exact.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sac sobs silently in the corner reading this, whilst eating a bean burrito and shitting his pants.

[Just Passin' By]

The beat you're pinning on Moeaki (grab #2, I think) is one that we'd need to know the line call in order to judge.

[BossChief]

When your quarterback cant stop looking at the rush, it is gonna make every opposing defense want to blitz every single play.

This OL (sans Richardson) would probably be above average if it werent for having a guy that cant make opposing defenses pay for blitzing him, under center.

That is one of the biggest things for quarterbacks to take the step into the conversation of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.

[Blick]

I like McCluster, but I hope we don't try to force him the ball when he's in the game.

On #6, Bowe is wide open, but Cassel immediately checks down to McCluster, giving him no room to maneuver on the sideline.

[Hammock Parties]

Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

1. When have I ever been some huge Albert fan? I like him about as much as any other player not named Charles, Bowe or Hali.

2. It's pretty hard to say he wasn't average last year. As for him turning into a Pro Bowler, I have no idea if that is possible. All I know is that through two preseason games people are screaming bloody murder over left tackle and they're wrong. Albert's play has been fine. He's turned in a winning effort.

[Hammock Parties]

The beat you're pinning on Moeaki (grab #2, I think) is one that we'd need to know the line call in order to judge.

Not really, it's pretty obvious from watching the play that it was a play action fake and Albert has to carry out a run fake in the direction of the run, which is a stretch run right. Hence, Albert goes right...

[MIAdragon]

I like McCluster, but I hope we don't try to force him the ball when he's in the game.

On #6, Bowe is wide open, but Cassel immediately checks down to McCluster, giving him no room to maneuver on the sideline.

It has nothing to do with forcing the ball to DMC I could replace him with you and Cassel would throw you the ball. Capt Checkdown is in full effect.

[DTLB58]

#14 Albert"s attempt at the cut block was just terrible. He needs to take that out of his game all together if that's all the better effort he can give. I've seen high school kids put more into a play.