is it wrong

[KurtCobain]

To accept "free lunch" at your child's school if you don't ABSOLUTELY need it? I never even bothered looking into it because I don't think i qualify for foodstamps, but apparently I qualify for my daughter to recieve free lunch at school. They set her up on it today, without me even filling out an application.

It would help for sure, I am very tight on cash and having trouble putting anything into savings. But I can afford the 2.50 a day for lunch if I have to, or just send a brown paper bag. So is it wrong for me to let them give her the free lunch?

[Jenson71]

Yes, I think so.

[MoreLemonPledge]

If you legitimately qualify for it, I see no problem with it. That's part of their budget that has already been set aside for such purpose.

[MIAdragon]

No man, if you were driving a BMW then yea Id say its wrong but you're not so take advantage of the help and dont feel bad.

[vailpass]

If you meet the requirements and are not violating any rules by utilizing that program then you are the target audience for that program.

Moral wrong is, of course, another issue that can be decided only by you. This may fall under the "if you have to ask..." test.

[rocknrolla]

Take it if you can get it. If you are strapped for cash and you qualify, why not.

[Ming the Merciless]

If you qualify (income level etc..) then I don't see how it is 'wrong.'

I guess if you feel bad about it, then maybe don't do it..But they are the ones who set the income levels or guidelines.

[KurtCobain]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

[gblowfish]

Just don't ask the guys in the DC section. They'll call you a socialist.

[Ming the Merciless]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

If she is lower than 4th grade, no one notices it....That issue comes up about 4th grade and onward.

[kysirsoze]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

That's a totally different issue. If it's worth it to pay a little to spare her some embarrassment, then there ya go.

[KurtCobain]

She just started kindergarten

They'll call you a socialist.

not sure what that is

[Donger]

To accept "free lunch" at your child's school if you don't ABSOLUTELY need it? I never even bothered looking into it because I don't think i qualify for foodstamps, but apparently I qualify for my daughter to recieve free lunch at school. They set her up on it today, without me even filling out an application.

It would help for sure, I am very tight on cash and having trouble putting anything into savings. But I can afford the 2.50 a day for lunch if I have to, or just send a brown paper bag. So is it wrong for me to let them give her the free lunch?

Embrace that socialism.

[Ming the Merciless]

She just started kindergarten


None of the other kids will know or care about 'free lunch' or even understand the concept or how it relates to anything until maybe 4th grade.

[KurtCobain]

None of the other kids will know or care about 'free lunch' or even understand the concept or how it relates to anything until maybe 4th grade.

Did your life turn around in fourth grade or something?

[vailpass]

None of the other kids will know or care about 'free lunch' or even understand the concept or how it relates to anything until maybe 4th grade.

Not always true.

[CrazyPhuD]

So personally, while I'm not a big fan of hand outs, I'm actually a big supporter of hand ups. So to me it depends upon what you are using your savings for. If you're blowing it on something silly then yes to me that feels wrong but if you are using it to create say a rainy day fund, or to be able to afford extra training/education then that's totally ok.

The way I see it is, if you choose to take it, treat it like a responsibility. Use it to do something to help your family and your situation, so that, ideally, you won't need it in the future. There's nothing wrong with taking a hand up. It's the people that milk the system and don't try to improve themselves/work towards getting off of it are the problem.

[KurtCobain]

The wife just finally got through to the nutrition services and let them know we're fine without it. If it ever gets to where I don't have that money, I keep plenty of food in the kitchen. Sandwiches and chips are fucking killer.

[KurtCobain]

A little background on it, when she was in preschool we had her sleeping in the bathtub because our windows kept getting broken at night where we were living. I guess she told some of her little friends where she slept when they were talking about their new beds, and they all started calling her names.

Better situation now, and I would never want something like that to happen to her again. Nobody likes being picked on.

[chasedude]

Just don't ask the guys in the DC section. They'll call you a socialist.

Embrace that socialism.

I knew that wouldn't take long

[Donger]

I knew that wouldn't take long

That was a joke.

[WV]

It's not like your depriving another kid if your gets free lunch. Personally anytime a kid is involved and can get free lunch where it can help their family then I have no problem with it......food stamps on the other hand are a totally different subject.

[Iowanian]

If you're on the edge of needing it I think you shouldn't feel bad about it.

If you can use that assistance, and keep working, saving and improving yourself and the situation for your family, it's what it's supposed to be used to do.

Don't be ashamed of it if it's a temporary item to help you get on your feet.

[Donger]

It's not like your depriving another kid if your gets free lunch. Personally anytime a kid is involved and can get free lunch where it can help their family then I have no problem with it......food stamps on the other hand are a totally different subject.

~50 million Americans disagree with you.

[Ming the Merciless]

Not always true.

In kindergarten?

Yah...pretty much always true....I have taught kindergarten all the way up to 6th grade and above...maybe theres some little evil genius out there that will mock you as a 5 year old for getting free lunch...but Ive never seen it.

Kindergarteners are still figuring out not to wiggle around in their seats....they don't know about stuff like free lunches...

[vailpass]

In kindegarten?

Yah...pretty much always true....I have taught kindegarten all the way up to 6th grade and above...

Kindegarteners are still figuring out not to wiggle around in their seats....they don't know about stuff like free lunches...

Okay.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Dude. You don't set the guidelines. Would that help your family out? Are you working hard to create a future for all of you? Take whatever you qualify for. It's not like you're mooching off the government tit. Work hard, get better, and get off of it. There is not a Goddamned thing in the world wrong with taking some temporary assistance. In fact, your taxes are consistently paying for it. Long after you're off of it, you'll be paying it back and more. Don't even feel bad about it.

[ClevelandBronco]

Dude. You don't set the guidelines. Would that help your family out? Are you working hard to create a future for all of you? Take whatever you qualify for. It's not like you're mooching off the government tit. Work hard, get better, and get off of it. There is not a Goddamned thing in the world wrong with taking some temporary assistance. In fact, your taxes are consistently paying for it. Long after you're off of it, you'll be paying it back and more. Don't even feel bad about it.

Exactly that.

[Bugeater]

Take it dude, I'm sure there's something else your kids need that you could spend the money on.

[4th and Long]

The wife just finally got through to the nutrition services and let them know we're fine without it. If it ever gets to where I don't have that money, I keep plenty of food in the kitchen. Sandwiches and chips are fucking killer.
If memory serves, you ask for people to ride with you to Chiefs games because you cant afford parking, yet, you turn down a program, that is designwd to help people in your tax bracket.

Amazing.

Keep feeding little Joeyette those chips, so she can fit right in with the rest of the fat kids.
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[Backwards Masking]

Take it dude, I'm sure there's something else your kids need that you could spend the money on.

Like a PS3

[pr_capone]

To accept "free lunch" at your child's school if you don't ABSOLUTELY need it? I never even bothered looking into it because I don't think i qualify for foodstamps, but apparently I qualify for my daughter to recieve free lunch at school. They set her up on it today, without me even filling out an application.

It would help for sure, I am very tight on cash and having trouble putting anything into savings. But I can afford the 2.50 a day for lunch if I have to, or just send a brown paper bag. So is it wrong for me to let them give her the free lunch?

If you qualify, then you qualify. Just don't be an irresponsible dick bag and assume that means you can buy that extra half ounce of weed now because you don't have to put it towards her lunches.

[digger]

Just remember there is no such thing as a "free lunch".

[LiveSteam]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

This. & yes I qualify. But I have to much pride to accept the hand out

[4th and Long]

This. & yes I qualify. But I have to much pride to accept the hand out
I don't know how to tell you (and your misplaced pride) this but, those taxes they take out of your paycheck, ... remember those? Yeah, well, they help pay for this program. So, essentially, you're already paying for those lunches.

Using your logic is like pulling up to the drive-thru, handing them your money and purposely driving off without your food.
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[rocknrolla]

If she is lower than 4th grade, no one notices it....That issue comes up about 4th grade and onward.

This. At kindergarten, Its a non issue.

[Backwards Masking]

I don't know how to tell you (and your misplaced pride) this but, those taxes they take out of your paycheck, ... remember those? Yeah, well, they help pay for this program. So, essentially, you're already paying for those lunches.

Using your logic is like pulling up to the drive-thru, handing them your money and purposely driving off without your food.
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His "logic" is considered what many believe made this country great. And, no, he's not even "essentially" paying for a lunch that doesn't get made if he doesn't participate, because that lunch doesnt get made if he doesn't partake. And if he DID participate, his kid would get a lunch that everyone else paid far more for than he did (thousands of taxpayers vs. one/two taxpayers), so he still isn't paying for it.

[-King-]

You should have took it. You qualified. You would save 12.50 a week or $50 a month.

You can't use an extra $50 every month?
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[Dr. Johnny Fever]

If you legitimately qualify for it, I see no problem with it. That's part of their budget that has already been set aside for such purpose.

This

[Bugeater]

His "logic" is considered what many believe made this country great. And, no, he's not even "essentially" paying for a lunch that doesn't get made if he doesn't participate, because that lunch doesnt get made if he doesn't partake. And if he DID participate, his kid would get a lunch that everyone else paid far more for than he did (thousands of taxpayers vs. one/two taxpayers), so he still isn't paying for it.
Uh, that lunch is getting made regardless of who pays for it.

[kysirsoze]

You should have took it. You qualified. You would save 12.50 a week or $50 a month.

You can't use an extra $50 every month?
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Honestly, this. But I can definitely respect your desire to make it without the assistance.

[4th and Long]

Uh, that lunch is getting made regardless of who pays for it.

You're wasting key strokes on Captain Literal, Bug.
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[Backwards Masking]

Uh, that lunch is getting made regardless of who pays for it.

duh, it's one less getting made and chargine $2.50 to the state, which $2.50 x 200 about school days = about $450 a year.

[LiveSteam]

Uh, that lunch is getting made regardless of who pays for it.

If thats the case. Then why did the lunch lady get pissed when I went to Saylors school to have lunch with her,without calling that morning to tell the school I would be having lunch. The way I took it / was someone = teacher, would not get the school lunch that day.

[Bugeater]

duh, it's one less getting made and chargine $2.50 to the state, which $2.50 x 200 about school days = about $450 a year.
His kid is still eating a lunch either way you thickheaded fucktard. The only difference is who is paying for it.

[Bugeater]

If thats the case. Then why did the lunch lady get pissed when I went to Saylors school to have lunch with her,without calling that morning to tell the school I would be having lunch. The way I took it / was someone = teacher, would not get the school lunch that day.
Well they do need to have some kind of idea of how many lunches to make. We had to notify the school when we had lunch with our son as well.

[kysirsoze]

His kid is still eating a lunch either way you thickheaded fucktard. The only difference is who is paying for it.

If there is money allocated for this program, what happens if it doesn't get spent? Does the school benefit from it in some other way? If that's the case he may have a point. :shrug:

[Backwards Masking]

I don't know how to tell you (and your misplaced pride) this but, those taxes they take out of your paycheck, ... remember those? Yeah, well, they help pay for this program. So, essentially, you're already paying for those lunches.

Using your logic is like pulling up to the drive-thru, handing them your money and purposely driving off without your food.
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Captain literal? You realize this line of thinking goes against everything that Capitalism, America and Western Civilization is supposed to stand for right? And this coming from a borderline Bleeding Heart, ask the folks in DC.

[Bugeater]

If there is money allocated for this program, what happens if it doesn't get spent? Does the school benefit from it in some other way? If that's the case he may have a point. :shrug:
I'm not talking about the money.

[Bowser]

Take the food. When was the last time you fed your mom?

[Bugeater]

Captain literal? You realize this line of thinking goes against everything that Capitalism, America and Western Civilization is supposed to stand for right? And this coming from a borderline Bleeding Heart, ask the folks in DC.
We left all that behind decades ago. Get over it.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I don't know how to tell you (and your misplaced pride) this but, those taxes they take out of your paycheck, ... remember those? Yeah, well, they help pay for this program. So, essentially, you're already paying for those lunches.

Using your logic is like pulling up to the drive-thru, handing them your money and purposely driving off without your food.
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Absolutely.

[luv]

If you can afford to give $2.50 per day, but you qualify for the program, let her get free lunches and put the money you would have given her for lunch into savings. That's just under $50 per month.

[rocknrolla]

If you can afford to give $2.50 per day, but you qualify for the program, let her get free lunches and put the money you would have given her for lunch into savings. That's approximately $50 per month.

This. All day long!

[Backwards Masking]

I'm not talking about the money.

If I sign a form saying I can't afford to feed my kid all year, the lunches get made. If I decline, and pack my kid a lunch every day, they don't get made.

I'll refrain from slandering the mentally disabled when explaining my position though.

[Backwards Masking]

We left all that behind decades ago. Get over it.

Can't argue with that.

Although single people without kids that wrapped up and took the pill (ie the responsible ones) are still expected to adhere to those philosophies.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Kurt, take it. Seriously. Be responsible with the money though. No hookers and blow.

[Bugeater]

If I sign a form saying I can't afford to feed my kid all year, the lunches get made. If I decline, and pack my kid a lunch every day, they don't get made.

I'll refrain from slandering the mentally disabled when explaining my position though.
Declining doesn't necessarily equal packing a lunch for your kid.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Can't argue with that.

Although single people without kids that wrapped up and took the pill (ie the responsible ones) are still expected to adhere to those philosophies.

I'm one of them. I'm okay with that. One day you may need some help too. American history? What happened to "I am my brother's keeper"?

[Psyko Tek]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

dude do not worry about it
she would be more noticed if you brown bagged it
now you can have extra cash to buy her nice stuff
my mesa az neighborhood has 70% on free lunches
and I personally will take any and all help I can get it
times are rough

solidarity!!!

[Psyko Tek]

Did your life turn around in fourth grade or something?

that was when I started drinking
so yes

[LiveSteam]

I just asked my kid if she knew which kids ate free lunch. Her answer.
We all eat free lunches daddy. Dont we daddy. LOL
Im taking Luvs advise swallowing my pride & putting $50.00 a month into Saylor Moons lil saving account i opened up for her last year.

[Backwards Masking]

I'm one of them. I'm okay with that. One day you may need some help too. American history? What happened to "I am my brother's keeper"?

Hey, if I ever slip one past the goalie you'll have a point. Until then, I don't qualify for jack sh*t and nobody's taxes are going to help my broke ass, so I still have a point. Who's my keeper?

[LiveSteam]

I personally will take any and all help I can get it
times are rough

solidarity!!!

Yes for the first time New construction has me scared. Very scared where work is concerned

[Gonzo]

My perspective on the issue is, if you qualify for the program you should seriously consider it. One question is will your child be singled out if she's on the program? Will other kids make fun of her? Some, (most) schools won't let the child be singled out when they're on the program anymore. That was not the case when I was in school.
Kids in the program had special I'd's that singled them out. It was a bit degrading to them, I'm sure.

Edit: shit, disregard. I see that's been brought up already.
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[Bugeater]

Hey, if I ever slip one past the goalie you'll have a point. Until then, I don't qualify for jack sh*t and nobody's taxes are going to help my broke ass, so I still have a point. Who's my keeper?
You're still financially better off by not having kids.

[LiveSteam]

My perspective on the issue is, if you qualify for the program you should seriously consider it. One question is will your child be singled out if she's on the program? Will other kids make fun of her? Some, (most) schools won't let the child be singled out when they're on the program anymore. That was not the case when I was in school.
Kids in the program had special I'd's that singled them out. It was a bit degrading to them, I'm sure.
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I remember this back in the late 70s. You knew who paid & who got free lunches. Then you had your parents telling you ,what a bunch of bullshit it was that we pay & they dont.

[Demonpenz]

I remember being a substitute teacher one time lol at all the kids taking free lunches. I told those bastards "If you were better kids, maybe your parents wouldn't be so God Damn poor"

[Bugeater]

My perspective on the issue is, if you qualify for the program you should seriously consider it. One question is will your child be singled out if she's on the program? Will other kids make fun of her? Some, (most) schools won't let the child be singled out when they're on the program anymore. That was not the case when I was in school.
Kids in the program had special I'd's that singled them out. It was a bit degrading to them, I'm sure.

Edit: shit, disregard. I see that's been brought up already.
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Yeah, we qualified for reduced cost lunches after my dad bailed, and the lunch tickets were a different color. It didn't really bother me that much because everyone already knew we were poor as dirt anyway.

[Backwards Masking]

You're still financially better off by not having kids.

And I'm also less sexually fulfilled by pulling out and/or wearing a condom.

Those things cost money too (the condoms).

[-King-]

Even I'm high school, kids don't give a fuck if you get free lunch or reduced.
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[KurtCobain]

You should have took it. You qualified. You would save 12.50 a week or $50 a month.

You can't use an extra $50 every month?
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I could. But I'd rather work the hours to make the extra 50, I don't need it from someone else.

So to answer my question at the beginning of this thread, it is wrong. I'm not dying without it, didn't use it in when she was in preschool, don't need it.

She told me today that she has been eating breakfast at school. I haven't given her money for breakfast, so I called the school to ask how. When they told me about this, I was pretty mad so I made the thread to see if you all agreed with me.

I'll be honest, I would put a gun to a man's face and demand his wallet before I would dare ask for a dollar.


Even I'm high school, kids don't give a fuck if you get free lunch or reduced.
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Bull. Maybe in a shitty school everybody's moms are running around with their wic coupons tucked into the fat hanging past their waste.

I was the kid with the gay parents, she was the girl in the bathtub, kids always find a way to fuck with you. It's not going to be like that.

[mlyonsd]

From what I remember of school lunches maybe you should be turned into child services for letting her eat it.

Seriously, from what you've posted and the fact you asked the question in the first place makes me think your daughter is lucky. Probably luckier than a lot of other kids in the same situation.

[luv]

How do other kids know she's getting free lunches? We had tickets when I was in school, and no one knew who paid for theirs and who didn't.

If help is available, and you could use it, it doesn't make you less of a person for accepting it. If you can afford to pay it forward sometime, then pay it forward.

[seclark]

you owe it to your child to make sure she gets a nourishing meal at school at whatever cost. free or paid for.

you also owe it to your family to keep trying to be able to pay for it when possible.

i don't give a fuck if you're embarrassed. it's not you...it's the child.

sorry if i sound like an asshole, but it's not really about you, you know.
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[Ming the Merciless]

Even I'm high school, kids don't give a **** if you get free lunch or reduced.
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Wrong. They laugh at the cafeteria kids.....

You just don't know cuz you aren't in the cool crowd.

[KurtCobain]

Wrong. They laugh at the cafeteria kids.....

You just don't know cuz you aren't in the cool crowd.

Yeah, I remember the cool kids ate only fast food and shit from the vending machines.

[-King-]

Wrong. They laugh at the cafeteria kids.....

You just don't know cuz you aren't in the cool crowd.

Or you went to a school where no one had any thing better to do than worry about someone elses lunch.

Cool kids worrying about other kids lunch....ROFL
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[mlyonsd]

How do other kids know she's getting free lunches? We had tickets when I was in school, and no one knew who paid for theirs and who didn't.

If help is available, and you could use it, it doesn't make you less of a person for accepting it. If you can afford to pay it forward sometime, then pay it forward.This is a good point. In my son's school each kid carries around a debit type card that gets swiped in the lunch line. The accounting is all done magically.

[seclark]

I could. But I'd rather work the hours to make the extra 50, I don't need it from someone else.

So to answer my question at the beginning of this thread, it is wrong. I'm not dying without it, didn't use it in when she was in preschool, don't need it.

She told me today that she has been eating breakfast at school. I haven't given her money for breakfast, so I called the school to ask how. When they told me about this, I was pretty mad so I made the thread to see if you all agreed with me.

I'll be honest, I would put a gun to a man's face and demand his wallet before I would dare ask for a dollar.



Bull. Maybe in a shitty school everybody's moms are running around with their wic coupons tucked into the fat hanging past their waste.

I was the kid with the gay parents, she was the girl in the bathtub, kids always find a way to **** with you. It's not going to be like that.

bullshit...you're worried about you and not her. i respect your love for your kid, but you know what? there's tons of people in this country that have kids eating free/reduced meals at school. quit worrying about how things look like to others. take care of your own, and start working your way up from there.

good luck
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[-King-]

And plus, no one would know. At my school, you just punched your student number in the keypad and went on about your business. No one would know if you had free lunch or you had already prepaid unless you told them.
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[Bugeater]

How do other kids know she's getting free lunches? We had tickets when I was in school, and no one knew who paid for theirs and who didn't.

As I mentioned earlier, the free/reduced cost lunch ticket were a different color for us. They did that because those who paid in full were allowed to get a second lunch if they wanted, but the ones getting f/r were only allowed to get one.

[KurtCobain]

i don't give a fuck if you're embarrassed. it's not you...it's the child.


Ummm...


My kid.

My money.

Me. I'll say it all day.

And I don't even understand your fuss, this was just me pondering if I should accept help and save money. The lunches I send with her are waaaay better than "taco tuesday" or "beef chow mein".

[Bugeater]

The bottom line is...the other kids already know who the poor kids are. They know by the clothes they wear, the car they get dropped off and picked up with, the part of town they live in...etc.

The lunch thing really shouldn't make a difference.

[mlyonsd]

Ummm...


My kid.

My money.

Me. I'll say it all day.

And I don't even understand your fuss, this was just me pondering if I should accept help and save money. The lunches I send with her are waaaay better than "taco tuesday" or "beef chow mein".My kid won't even eat it. He insists on taking a sandwich every day instead.

[luv]

Ummm...


My kid.

My money.

Me. I'll say it all day.

And I don't even understand your fuss, this was just me pondering if I should accept help and save money. The lunches I send with her are waaaay better than "taco tuesday" or "beef chow mein".

My mom was a stickler for eating school lunches. She wanted me eating a hot lunch rather than a sandwich and pudding cup. I didn't think school lunches were that bad. I looked forward to pizza day, I loved the school's corn, and their cinnamon rolls were some of the best I think I've ever had. If she gets it, she doesn't have to use it everyday, does she?

I don't know. I just don't think you really had any reason to be mad. If she likes the breakfast, then it probably helps you during the morning rush of getting her up, ready, and to school. I just don't think it's a bad thing.

You're right. The decision is ultimately up to you. I just don't think there's any shame in it or anything to be embarrassed about.

[Bugeater]

I don't recall our lunches being all that bad. The only thing that pissed me off was that our public schools didn't serve red meat on Fridays, ever. It was either fish or those fucking nasty tuna boats.

[Deberg_1990]

The lunches I send with her are waaaay better than "taco tuesday" or "beef chow mein".

You kid will eat what Michelle Obama says he needs. and he will like it!

[MOhillbilly]

I went to a three room country school in first grade. Little old farm ladies would make us lunch from scratch. If you wanted seconds they wouldnt even blink. Homemade cinnamon rolls every week.

[seclark]

Ummm...


My kid.

My money.

Me. I'll say it all day.

And I don't even understand your fuss, this was just me pondering if I should accept help and save money. The lunches I send with her are waaaay better than "taco tuesday" or "beef chow mein".

then accept my apology...i noticed a comment on "chips", or whatever. hey...i went to school eating free/reduced. hated it...some schools i went to were easier to conceal it than others. thing is, i grew up w/both my parents working, but still, not making enough together to be able to kick out enough cash every week to pay for me and my 3 siblings lunches. i remember my teacher calling my name on monday morning, saying that i owed 2 weeks of lunches, because my old man was too proud to accept reduced, so we had to say "charge", when our name was called.

there's worse things in life than having the other kids in your class bagging on you, cause your lunch is free...they might be paying for their lunch, but their life may still be more fucked up than yours.
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[kysirsoze]

I went to a three room country school in first grade. Little old farm ladies would make us lunch from scratch. If you wanted seconds they wouldnt even blink. Homemade cinnamon rolls every week.

Is there an age limit to attend that school?

[mlyonsd]

I went to a three room country school in first grade. Little old farm ladies would make us lunch from scratch. If you wanted seconds they wouldnt even blink. Homemade cinnamon rolls every week.Did they make the kids cut the wood for the stove?

[MOhillbilly]

Sadly, Glidwell closed after the 81- 82 school year. No stove, but you could piss round back of the school during recess and play in the woods.

[listopencil]

Kurt: Take it. This is the kind of stuff I want my tax money to go towards. Use the cash you save to improve her quality of life in other areas. Arts and crafts stuff that helps hand-eye-coordination, books that foster a love of reading, maybe be able to take her to the movies every once in a while. Of all the dumb assed stupid shit that our government blows money on...this isn't one of them.

[Backwards Masking]

What's weird to me, it if this were a thread about the taxpayers coughin up free lunches for years and years to homeless people, drug addicted insane people, special interest groups, small businesses or even possibly wars veteran most everyone would be totally against it because it's not Capitalism or the American Way. Why? Because all those people are adults who should be responsible and take care of themselves. Yet when an adult asks if it's morally wrong to take tax payer money for the kid THEY were responsible for creating, well.....this thread speaks for itself.

Just doesn't make sense.

[listopencil]

Is there an age limit to attend that school?

No shit.

[seclark]

Sadly, Glidwell closed after the 81- 82 school year. No stove, but you could piss round back of the school during recess and play in the woods.
after 5th grade we could go outside the cafeteria and smoke after lunch.
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[listopencil]

What's weird to me, it if this were a thread about the taxpayers coughin up free lunches for years and years to homeless people, drug addicted insane people, special interest groups, small businesses or even possibly wars veteran most everyone would be totally against it because it's not Socialism or the American Way. Why? Because all those people are adults who should be responsible and take care of themselves. Yet when an adult asks if it's morally wrong to take tax payer money for the kid THEY were responsible for creating, well.....this thread speaks for itself.

Just doesn't make sense.


Because the child is absolutely powerless, it's our duty as a member of this society to help take care of them. You either get it or you don't.

[NewChief]

I feel like it labels her in the category of 'poor' kids. I'm not that welfare parent.

If it helps you to know, the list of low-SES (socio-economic status) kids is a pretty tightly guarded piece of information at most schools. Due to my work targeting specific sub-populations for literacy interventions, I have some access to the lists, and I'll say that a lot of people would be surprised at the kids who get free and reduced lunch.

[Backwards Masking]

Because the child is absolutely powerless, it's our duty as a member of this society to help take care of them. You either get it or you don't.

Well apparently my parents and everyone elses parents I grew up with didnt get it. They were under the impression that people who accepted food stamps and such were irresponsible.

Now today its the people that DONT financially befefit from the system that are irresponsible? I guess I don't get it.

[MOhillbilly]

after 5th grade we could go outside the cafeteria and smoke after lunch.
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one room school about a half mile from here my clan attended was the same. Dad said they had ash trays behind it for the jr.high kids. At that one the kids did chop wood for the stove.

[listopencil]

Well apparently my parents and everyone elses parents I grew up with didnt get it. They were under the impression that people who accepted food stamps and such were irresponsible.

Now today its the people that DONT financially befefit from the system that are irresponsible? I guess I don't get it.

What makes the child of a welfare recipient irresponsible?

[NewChief]

And plus, no one would know. At my school, you just punched your student number in the keypad and went on about your business. No one would know if you had free lunch or you had already prepaid unless you told them.
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This. At any school that is in the 21st Century, these is no discernible way for other kids to know. They all just punch their numbers in or tell the lunch lady their numbers. Some of them have accounts that the parents fill up with money, and others have accounts that come out of the F&R funds.

[Bugeater]

Because the child is absolutely powerless, it's our duty as a member of this society to help take care of them. You either get it or you don't.
But in order to take care of them, we end up taking care of the parents as well. Which in turn encourages people to have kids they can't afford. It's a never-ending cycle that's becoming a major drain on this country.

[Backwards Masking]

Because the child is absolutely powerless, it's the parent's duty as a member of this society to help take care of them. You either get it or you don't.

FYP

[listopencil]

I'm a defective human being.


FYP

[listopencil]

But in order to take care of them, we end up taking care of the parents as well. Which in turn encourages people to have kids they can't afford. It's a never-ending cycle that's becoming a major drain on this country.

Yeah and that's where the soft social sciences, when properly applied, can help.

[seclark]

one room school about a half mile from here my clan attended was the same. Dad said they had ash trays behind it for the jr.high kids. At that one the kids did chop wood for the stove.

we made our own ash trays out of clay in 4th grade art class...be prepared.:thumb:
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[Backwards Masking]

FYP

That's what you're coming back with, I'm a defective human being? Not according to standard deductions every April 15th of my working life from here on out I'm not.

[Backwards Masking]

What makes the child of a welfare recipient irresponsible?

Not me.

[Bugeater]

Yeah and that's where the soft social sciences, when properly applied, can help.
I have no idea what those are, but I can assure you that they're not being properly applied or they're not helping. Working at an income-based rental property has really opened my eyes to how fucked up the system is.

[listopencil]

That's what you're coming back with, I'm a defective human being? Not according to standard deductions every April 15th of my working life from here on out I'm not.

Yes. If you aren't willing to help your society thrive, if you aren't willing to offer any help or hope to even the most innocent and powerless among us, even though this costs you very little in effort/time/money, then you are a defective human being.

[MOhillbilly]

we made our own ash trays out of clay in 4th grade art class...be prepared.:thumb:
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Got busted makin a pipe in shop 9th grade. Fuckin hell was the old man pissed.

[listopencil]

I have no idea what those are, but I can assure you that they're not being properly applied or they're not helping. Working at an income-based rental property has really opened my eyes to how fucked up the system is.


I have no doubt. I've seen it myself.

[Backwards Masking]

Yeah and that's where the soft social sciences, when properly applied, can help.

ROFL

2 Welfare mommy and daddies make 3-5 kids, those 3-5 kids go on welfare after making 3-5 more kids, you know where this is going.

[Backwards Masking]

Yes. If you aren't willing to help your society thrive, if you aren't willing to offer any help or hope to even the most innocent and powerless among us, even though this costs you very little in effort/time/money, then you are a defective human being.

so due to my tax return (which i have a hard copy of) you were wrong. i am a saint.

[listopencil]

so due to my tax return (which i have a hard copy of) you were wrong. i am a saint.

That's funny. Nothing you have posted in this thread sounds even remotely like "willing".

[listopencil]

ROFL

2 Welfare mommy and daddies make 3-5 kids, those 3-5 kids go on welfare after making 3-5 more kids, you know where this is going.

So it would benefit our society if something could break that cycle then, wouldn't it?

[Bugeater]

ROFL

2 Welfare mommy and daddies make 3-5 kids, those 3-5 kids go on welfare after making 3-5 more kids, you know where this is going.
That's not completely correct. It's more like Welfare Mommy has 3-5 kids with 3-5 different daddies, gets her rent, utilities, food, and health care paid for while boyfriend 4-6 lives for free with her.

[Bugeater]

So it would benefit our society if something could break that cycle then, wouldn't it?
What's going to break it without directly affecting the children that are our duty to take care of?

[Backwards Masking]

That's funny. Nothing you have posted in this thread sounds even remotely like "willing".

Dude, there are a zillion ways to benefit society than just handing over numbers in computer banks over to "downtrodden" parents. If I help an old lady cross the street, that's willing, if I make a painting that other people enjoy and it hangs someplace where it gets seen often, that's willing, if I make any kind of act that benefits society, it's a willing contribution.

If you haven't noticed though, we live in a capitalistic society, whether we like or not. Everything everyone uses to defend the children goes against Capitalistic values, snd I don't support capitalism ALL time. But one could argue that safety nets for parents are HURTING society, not helping, and the parents could CHOOSE to avoid them IF they wanted to. I am one of them, sorry, and I'm hardly defective.

[RJ]

I wish I had time to read this thread, it's probably comical.

KC, if you qualify and you need the help you should take it. You're a young man, you'll pay it back many times over in your lifetime.

[Ming the Merciless]

Or you went to a school where no one had any thing better to do than worry about someone elses lunch.

Cool kids worrying about other kids lunch....ROFL
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Its not so much worry as it is mocking all of the idiots and losers who stumble into the cafeteria to get their free lunches.

[KcMizzou]

That's what it's there for... plain and simple. The pride gets ya, though. "Thanks, but fuck off... I can support my own kids."

[listopencil]

What's going to break it without directly affecting the children that are our duty to take care of?

The system needs change badly but you can't just leave the kids out to dry. I don't think the answer is eliminating programs that you know are going to directly help them like free/reduced school lunch. That's what I meant by soft social sciences, it takes a unique individual to actually help a family out of the trap that is welfare even if the primary parent doesn't want it to end. I don't know how effective I'd be even with substantial education/training. Do we even have the people in government service that are capable of doing the job?

[listopencil]

Dude, there are a zillion ways to benefit society than just handing over numbers in computer banks over to "downtrodden" parents. If I help an old lady cross the street, that's willing, if I make a painting that other people enjoy and it hangs someplace where it gets seen often, that's willing, if I make any kind of act that benefits society, it's a willing contribution.

If you haven't noticed though, we live in a capitalistic society, whether we like or not. Everything everyone uses to defend the children goes against Capitalistic values, snd I don't support capitalism ALL time. But one could argue that safety nets for parents are HURTING society, not helping, and the parents could CHOOSE to avoid them IF they wanted to. I am one of them, sorry, and I'm hardly defective.


Once again, free/reduced school lunches go directly to the kids. The sole purpose of that program is to make sure kids get one or two meals a day that they can count on no matter what so they aren't hungry when they are supposed to be learning. Using their parents to justify refusing to feed a hungry child when doing so is easy and cheap...is defective.

[Bugeater]

I don't have a problem with the lunch program, for those reasons, and because they also help working parents as well as the lazy asses.

It's what's beyond that bothers me. The system has made it way too comfortable to be lazy. Some discomfort may just be what the kids need to aspire to break the cycle.

[listopencil]

I don't have a problem with the lunch program, for those reasons, and because they also help working parents as well as the lazy asses.

It's what's beyond that bothers me. The system has made it way too comfortable to be lazy. Some discomfort may just be what the kids need to aspire to break the cycle.

I understand what you mean, but there is more to it than lazy.

[Backwards Masking]

Once again, free/reduced school lunches go directly to the kids. The sole purpose of that program is to make sure kids get one or two meals a day that they can count on no matter what so they aren't hungry when they are supposed to be learning. Using their parents to justify refusing to feed a hungry child when doing so is easy and cheap...is defective.

They go directly to the kids... and the money getting saved goes towards whatever the parents wish. The parents should be making sure they get one or two meals a day so they aren't hungry when learning. Using children to take more money away from responsible people and giving it to parents, oops, I mean DIRECTLY to the children (sarcasm), is easy and cheap, and defective in a capitalistic society.

There are homless people living under bridges in the downtown area who are crazy from doing too much bad PCP and are defenseless and can't get a job or work to support themselves. If i started a thread asking if it were ok to use taxpayers money to buy them lunches for the next 6-13 years i'd get bashed to hell. but oh, the children, the precious children, society MUST take care them, it's up to you and me, NOT the parents. Give me a break.

[Bugeater]

I understand what you mean, but there is more to it than lazy.
Yeah, the fact that they're financially better off by not working than they would be if they got a job.

[Backwards Masking]

It's what's beyond that bothers me. The system has made it way too comfortable to be lazy.

For parents, yes. There are social programs and safety nets galore. FMLA, Food stamps, WIC, yearly tax deductions, perfect excuses for missing work, family functions, anything you don't want to go to really. For single people without kids, there is nothing. Believe me I've looked.

[Rausch]

I don't have a problem with the lunch program, for those reasons, and because they also help working parents as well as the lazy asses.

It's what's beyond that bothers me. The system has made it way too comfortable to be lazy. Some discomfort may just be what the kids need to aspire to break the cycle.

I worked at a public school.

I now work at a prison.

The prisoners eat better...

[Bugeater]

For parents, yes. There are social programs and safety nets galore. FMLA, Food stamps, WIC, yearly tax deductions, perfect excuses for missing work, family functions, anything you don't want to go to really. For single people without kids, there is nothing. Believe me I've looked.
And I honestly believe there are people out there who have no interest in being parents, but are having kids simply to take advantage of those programs. It's so fucking wrong.

[Backwards Masking]

And I honestly believe there are people out there who have no interest in being parents, but are having kids simply to take advantage of those programs. It's so ****ing wrong.

absolutely, i've met and known a few. a friend of my dads friend has a daughter with 4 kids with 4 different dads, divorced two of them. between the aforementioned programs, 4 child support checks and 2 alimony checks, she makes more than a lot single people i know working 40 hours a week with college degrees.

but hey, her kids need that money they earned far more than they do. what are they to do?

[KurtCobain]

absolutely, i've met and known a few. a friend of my dads friend has a daughter with 4 kids with 4 different dads, divorced two of them. between the aforementioned programs, 4 child support checks and 2 alimony checks, she makes more than a lot single people i know working 40 hours a week with college degrees.

but hey, her kids need that money they earned far more than they do. what are they to do?

And I'm sure you have confronted her about this issue?

[Rausch]

And I'm sure you have confronted her about this issue?

What fucking good would that do?...

[Bugeater]

And I'm sure you have confronted her about this issue?
You can't really blame her for using a system that is tilted in her favor. She would be stupid not to.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Rausch]

You can't really blame her for using a system that is tilted in her favor. She would be stupid not to.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I hate them both.

It's why I show up and vote...

[Bugeater]

I hate them both.

It's why I show up and vote...
ROFL Like voting does any good...

[Rausch]

ROFL Like voting does any good...

We've had 4 $#itty presidents in a row.

I'd argue that literate and sober people not voting has been a very big detriment to the overall happy of the nation...

[KcMizzou]

I was lucky enough to get my kids... they're nearly raised now. (13 and 14.. the hardest part) I've never collected a dime in child support. Part of that's my own fault... I haven't ever really pushed the issue. I was just happy that she started wanting the see them once in a while. It got better eventually.. she takes them every other weekend, buys some school supplies. She's remarried, and has a whole new family now. I don't mind... as long as she makes time for the boys. But I never got a dime in "support".

Then, I look at my brother. He's 7 years younger than me... with two (basically) toddlers he's dieing to see every day. The child support he pays is crippling. I honestly don't know how he makes it. I guarantee you he'd trade situations with me any day. The system's all screwed up.

[Simply Red]

i'd double up on the type 'a' lunch when it was nugget - mashed potatoes and that glowing yellowish-green gravy day.

That one was always damned tasty

[Bugeater]

I was lucky enough to get my kids... they're nearly raised now. (13 and 14.. the hardest part) .
Ohhhh...you're not EVEN close to being done. Oh hell no...you just wait...

[KcMizzou]

Ohhhh...you're not EVEN close to being done. Oh hell no...you just wait...Ugh. I know...

[KcMizzou]

Ohhhh...you're not EVEN close to being done. Oh hell no...you just wait...The 14 yr old thinks he's 23

[Hootie]

I was in 1st grade and I was eating a hot lunch (hot dog) and it was disgusting...terrible.

From that day on all the way through high school I never ate a school lunch again...packed my shit every single day...

In fact, I often brag about this IRL, too...because I'm probably one of the only people in 'MERICA that went 2nd-12th without eating school food!

I used to be very picky and the shit they served looked god damn disgusting...and we didn't have Papa John's and weren't able to leave campus for lunch...

so I brown bagged it every day! Still brown bagging it now (if you know what I mean!)

[Hootie]

as for the topic...

yeah my shitty school gave different colored tickets for the free lunches, too...

I always found that odd...I mean, they are in the business of school where bullies are going to eat that shit up...you think someone on the board of the free lunch committee would have thought that one through a little bit?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Hey, if I ever slip one past the goalie you'll have a point. Until then, I don't qualify for jack sh*t and nobody's taxes are going to help my broke ass, so I still have a point. Who's my keeper?

I've been there, man. Right there. So I'm not going to fight you on that, because honestly, it's shitty and not right.

[whoman69]

I have never heard of a school just doing this without the paperwork. Those are government funds and they have to get it from that budget.