Haley's Conundrum

[jlscorpio]

If Cassel's pre-season production keeps up, and we start off 1-3 or 0-4, do you think Haley would bench Cassel in an effort to save his job? On the other hand, if ever there was a year to get the #1 over all pick, THIS IS IT.

[boogblaster]

maybe .. but doubt it ....

[wasi]

Haley is not on the hot seat.

[DMAC]

possibly .. possibly not ....

[rocknrolla]

It's FREAKING preseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz!

[milkman]

First, Haley's job shouldn't be in jeopardy because of Cassel.

Cassel is on Pioli.

Second, you don't tank a season after 4 games.
You don't want to invite that mentality into your locker room.

[jlscorpio]

It's FREAKING preseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz!


and Cassel can't score on StL's back-ups

[BigRichard]

It's FREAKING preseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzz!

It was a question that did not relate to preseason. I think it is a valid one at that.

[HemiEd]

Didn't X Factor say Cassel is just fine and his pre-season suckage is all just a ruse? :D

I am kind of hoping they play him a whole quarter tomorrow night, but I am not holding my breath.

[jlscorpio]

I wasn't saying to tank the season. I was saying, if he sticks w/Cassel, and we DO end up w/the worst record/#1 pick...there hasn't been a better year to have that pick if you have QB issues, which we do.

[Chiefnj2]

How is benching Cassel going to save Haley's job?

[Deberg_1990]

The only way i see Haleys job in Jeopardy is if they regress and only win like 2-4 games. I dont see that happening.

[noa]

There's no way that we will have the worst record this year. We might be below average, but not bad enough that we should just tank. Frankly, I think Cincy will be the worst.
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[wasi]

I think 1st team will play the first half.

[jlscorpio]

they should play him the entire game. He obviously needs the reps.

[Chiefnj2]

I think 1st team will play the first half.

I can't see it. Haley's entire approach to preseason has been to get through it healthy. Typically in the 4th game the first unit gets a drive or two. I don't see Haley changing his approach this late in the game.

[milkman]

There's no way that we will have the worst record this year. We might be below average, but not bad enough that we should just tank. Frankly, I think Cincy will be the worst.
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Seattle might have a say in that.

[Chiefnj2]

Seattle might have a say in that.

Not if the 49ers can help it.

[HemiEd]

I can't see it. Haley's entire approach to preseason has been to get through it healthy. Typically in the 4th game the first unit gets a drive or two. I don't see Haley changing his approach this late in the game.

That is what I expect, but since this year is a lot different due to the lockout, I was hoping the 4th game might have more of the 1s than normal.

[Chiefnj2]

That is what I expect, but since this year is a lot different due to the lockout, I was hoping the 4th game might have more of the 1s than normal.

They could. I don't see the Packers playing lots of their starters that long. I guess if it makes Haley feel better to have his first unit go against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Hopefully they'll move the ball or their confidence will be shot to hell.

[gblowfish]

If I had to guess who the worst teams would be this year, my guesses would be:
AFC: Denver, Cincy, Cleveland, Jax.
NFC: Arizona, Carolina, Minnesota, Washington.

[Dayze]

no way Cassel will be benched.

Haley is fine. As others have mentioned, that turd is all Pioli.

[Deberg_1990]

That is what I expect, but since this year is a lot different due to the lockout, I was hoping the 4th game might have more of the 1s than normal.

Stanzi and Palko fans should be in heaven Thursday night. I predict lots of Stanzi threads Friday morning.

[milkman]

They could. I don't see the Packers playing lots of their starters that long. I guess if it makes Haley feel better to have his first unit go against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Hopefully they'll move the ball or their confidence will be shot to hell.

The reports from this week's practice, with 1s getting more work than usual in the week prior to the last preseason game suggests that Haley might well be plannng to give the 1s more work than usual.

He's worked this preseason almost in reverse order, and the 1s didn't get nearly as much time n the 3rd game as usual.

[wazu]

Not if the 49ers can help it.

Don't expect Miami to just roll over and win either.

[L.A. Chieffan]

typically game 3 is the game teams play the starters and game 4 is the last game to evaluate and keep the starters healthy, however with the fucked up offseason a lot of teams are treating their last game like game 3 and will play the starters longer than they usually would.

having said that cassel is simply playing possum and will dominate once the regular season starts.

[The Franchise]

having said that cassel is simply playing possum and will dominate once the regular season starts.

:rolleyes:

[BigRock]

I can't see it. Haley's entire approach to preseason has been to get through it healthy. Typically in the 4th game the first unit gets a drive or two. I don't see Haley changing his approach this late in the game.

His approach was to start slow, get guys in good condition so they aren't out there tearing muscles, and gradually ramp things up. Playing guys longer than normal in the fourth game would fit right along with it.

Hell, if he plays the starters into the 3rd quarter*, then he's basically replicated a normal preseason in a different order. Instead of playing them more each time in games 1-3 and then doing nothing in game 4, he would have done nothing in game 1 and played them more each time in games 2-4.

(*not meant as an endorsement of the idea)

[milkman]

If I had to guess who the worst teams would be this year, my guesses would be:
AFC: Denver, Cincy, Cleveland, Jax.
NFC: Arizona, Carolina, Minnesota, Washington.

Even if Kolb isn't as good as they hope him to be, he still is a huge upgrade from the stiffs they trotted out there last year.

The Cards might not be good, but neither will they be as bad as the dregs of the league.

I also think Cleveland will be improved.

[L.A. Chieffan]

:rolleyes:

fake fan

[Chiefnj2]

Hell, if he plays the starters into the 3rd quarter*, then he's basically replicated a normal preseason in a different order. Instead of playing them more each time in games 1-3 and then doing nothing in game 4, he would have done nothing in game 1 and played them more each time in games 2-4.

(*not meant as an endorsement of this idea)

Except he's playing them against inferior competition. I think it also increases the risk of injury playing against someone who is likely to be cut in 3 days, since their claim to fame could be "I didn't make it in the NFL, but I'm the guy who knocked [insert starter] out for a few games".

[Chiefnj2]

If Newton starts from week 1, don't expect the Panthers to win more than 3 games. The kid can't pass.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Except he's playing them against inferior competition. I think it also increases the risk of injury playing against someone who is likely to be cut in 3 days, since their claim to fame could be "I didn't make it in the NFL, but I'm the guy who knocked [insert starter] out for a few games".

Don't worry, Green Bay's 2nd teamers are equal to Buffalo's starters.

#cantrememberwhichCPdumbasssaidthis

[milkman]

If Newton starts from week 1, don't expect the Panthers to win more than 3 games. The kid can't pass.

He can pass.

He just can't do it with any accuracy.

[Three7s]

If I had to guess who the worst teams would be this year, my guesses would be:
AFC: Denver, Cincy, Cleveland, Jax.
NFC: Arizona, Carolina, Minnesota, Washington.
The Dolphins should be added in there. Any team with Henne as the QB is doomed.

[Mojo Jojo]

I think 1st team will play the first half.

I doubt the first team on both sides of the ball play more than one or two drives.

[Sofa King]

If Cassel's pre-season production keeps up, and we start off 1-3 or 0-4, do you think Haley would bench Cassel in an effort to save his job? On the other hand, if ever there was a year to get the #1 over all pick, THIS IS IT.

Why do you waste your time thinking about dumb shit like this?

[King_Chief_Fan]

If Cassel's pre-season production keeps up, and we start off 1-3 or 0-4, do you think Haley would bench Cassel in an effort to save his job? On the other hand, if ever there was a year to get the #1 over all pick, THIS IS IT.

Pioli won't fire him if that is the case.

[Coogs]

If Newton starts from week 1, don't expect the Panthers to win more than 3 games. The kid can't pass.

That would be a great scenario. 3 wins could/should get them #1 overall again. If we have a 5 or 6 win season, we would be in range to trade up... even if it is expensive. And, if we win 10-12 and make the playoffs, then QB is probably not an issue here and we can go a different direction in round 1.

[noa]

So basically there are plenty of teams that should be worse than us, even if we take a big step back this year.
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[wasi]

Haley has said he took ideas from CFL off-seasons which don't include OTA's or mini-camps. If it's indeed modeled after this then we might see the 1st team play more than a fourth NFL preseason game.

[Mr. Laz]

I still think Haley is part of the problem.

[Chiefnj2]

I still think Haley is part of the problem.

I'm still waiting to see the great WR developer turn a non-first round WR into a starter on this team.

[TRR]

I still think Haley is part of the problem.

Clearly.
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[milkman]

I'm still waiting to see the great WR developer turn a non-first round WR into a starter on this team.

As the HC, he doesn't have the time to spend on each WR that he would as a position coach.

[milkman]

Clearly.
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This post isn't clear.

[Mr. Laz]

I'm still waiting to see the great WR developer turn a non-first round WR into a starter on this team.
maybe it is all a 'Cassel problem' but so far Haley looks like Marty jr when it comes to offense.

When anything goes wrong he gets nervous and goes into a offensive shell.

Everyone(including Haley) talks about how preseason is just practice and the Chiefs are just 'working on stuff'. Well ........ the Chiefs should of been working on the passing game all preseason. Spread that shit out and throw it 60 times a game. Offensive line needs to work on pass blocking and blitz pickups. QB's and WR's need to get on the same page and learn to make pre-snap adjustments.

But Haley was afraid he couldn't protect Cassel so the preseason was just a complete waste of time. Our offense looks like the same worthless POS it was in Haley's first season.

Our passing game still looks like it's being run by Gunther Cunningham. Charles is going to be running for his life because the defenses are going to have 10 men in the box.

:mad:

[Chiefnj2]

As the HC, he doesn't have the time to spend on each WR that he would as a position coach.

ID, scout and evaluate someone worth a crap.

[Mr. Laz]

As the HC, he doesn't have the time to spend on each WR that he would as a position coach.
Then maybe he shouldn't be increasing his workload by wanting to stick his nose into the offense. Maybe then Weis would still be here and Haley would have more time to deal with whatever he wants.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

And you know that's why Weis left or you surmise that's why Weis left?

[noa]

Haley has taken good WRs and made them better, but he didn't find those guys in a grocery store. He was never billed as a guy who could turn anyone into Larry Fitzgerald.
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[milkman]

Then maybe he shouldn't be increasing his workload by wanting to stick his nose into the offense. Maybe then Weis would still be here and Haley would have more time to deal with whatever he wants.

Even if the rumors and speculation for the reason that Weis left are true, a point am not willing to conced, one simple fact remains.

This is Todd Haley's team as long as he is the head coach.

It is the OC's responsibility to adjust his philosophy to fit the head coach's philosophy, not the other way around.

If he can't do that, I don't care who he is, he needs to get the **** out.

[Mr. Laz]

And you know that's why Weis left or you surmise that's why Weis left?
none of us knows why Weis left and probably never will.

But he took a demotion to leave the Chiefs after only 1 year. That screams internally conflict of some kind. Haley vs Weis is the most likely.

[HemiEd]

The reports from this week's practice, with 1s getting more work than usual in the week prior to the last preseason game suggests that Haley might well be plannng to give the 1s more work than usual.

He's worked this preseason almost in reverse order, and the 1s didn't get nearly as much time n the 3rd game as usual.

Yeah, that is what lead to my thinking.

[Mr. Laz]

Even if the rumors and speculation for the reason that Weis left are true, a point am not willing to conced, one simple fact remains.

This is Todd Haley's team as long as he is the head coach.

It is the OC's responsibility to adjust his philosophy to fit the head coach's philosophy, not the other way around.

If he can't do that, I don't care who he is, he needs to get the **** out.
truth

but if this shit don't work then Haley can DIAF fueled by logs from an aids tree because his stubborn ego screwed it up.

[MahiMike]

I can't see it. Haley's entire approach to preseason has been to get through it healthy. Typically in the 4th game the first unit gets a drive or two. I don't see Haley changing his approach this late in the game.

I disagree. His approach has been to bring them along slowly. Much slower than other teams. Now with the real season 1 week away, it's time to have an audition. 1st half starters play.

[FringeNC]

I find it surprising how deep the Cassel-hate is on this board. Re-watch the Seattle game, and then tell me again how bad he is. I'm not convinced he is a very good quarterback, but I am far from convinced in believing he sucks too much to win a playoff game. By the end of the season, we should have a better idea if he needs to be replaced, but at this point, I think it's way too premature to view him as a problem.

[MahiMike]

If Cassel's pre-season production keeps up, and we start off 1-3 or 0-4, do you think Haley would bench Cassel in an effort to save his job? On the other hand, if ever there was a year to get the #1 over all pick, THIS IS IT.

I was discussing this in another forum yesterday. I think we'll prolly end up 8-8. We could lose 5 in a row during our tough stretch. At this time, it's possible that Palko comes in to try and salvage the season. Once it's sure it's over, Stanzi gets a shot.

But what the Chiefs do will tell us if they want trade bait for Cassel or not. Benching Cassel would assure we get nothing in return for him.

[HemiEd]

I find it surprising how deep the Cassel-hate is on this board. Re-watch the Seattle game, and then tell me again how bad he is. I'm not convinced he is a very good quarterback, but I am far from convinced in believing he sucks too much to win a playoff game. By the end of the season, we should have a better idea if he needs to be replaced, but at this point, I think it's way too premature to view him as a problem.

No doubt the Seattle game was his dream game, for all of us.

But, it has proven to be the exception, not the norm. If he could play half that good the rest of the games, I doubt you would find much hate for him on this board.

But he has pretty much sucked since that game.

[Coogs]

I find it surprising how deep the Cassel-hate is on this board. Re-watch the Seattle game, and then tell me again how bad he is. I'm not convinced he is a very good quarterback, but I am far from convinced in believing he sucks too much to win a playoff game. By the end of the season, we should have a better idea if he needs to be replaced, but at this point, I think it's way too premature to view him as a problem.



Most here share your view. This is year 4 for Cassel as a starter in the NFL. No more excuses that he lacks experience. He has been given the weapons to be successful, so we should all see, and see early if he has it or not.

Even is the RT position isn't perfect, the OC should be able to come up with some plan to help and give Cassel enough time to go through his reads.

Won't take long, and we will know.

[Mr. Laz]

the OC should be able to come up with some plan to help
still waiting for this

[Ming the Merciless]

If Cassel's pre-season production keeps up, and we start off 1-3 or 0-4, do you think Haley would bench Cassel in an effort to save his job? On the other hand, if ever there was a year to get the #1 over all pick, THIS IS IT.

Oh god....ANOTHER 'let's tank the season' thread...

Wow...there are a lotta vaginas in the world.

[Coogs]

still waiting for this

Sad, but true!

[Hydrae]

Even if the rumors and speculation for the reason that Weis left are true, a point am not willing to conced, one simple fact remains.

This is Todd Haley's team as long as he is the head coach.

It is the OC's responsibility to adjust his philosophy to fit the head coach's philosophy, not the other way around.

If he can't do that, I don't care who he is, he needs to get the **** out.

Excellent post!

[jlscorpio]

Oh god....ANOTHER 'let's tank the season' thread...

Wow...there are a lotta vaginas in the world.

So I take it you missed the comment where I said I'm not saying we should tank the season??? I guess you think Cassel ISN't capable of a 3-4 win season. Maybe you should read the whole thread, dick

[rocknrolla]

This is the third most retarded thread I've seen here this week. This shit is getting old.

[BigRichard]

Bump.

Seems like a pretty valid question now.

[Jerm]

No matter how bad Cassel is, I don't think Pioli and Haley have the balls to bench or cut him...I mean, it was blatantly obvious he should've been pulled today in the 2nd quarter or later for at least one series.

Cassel is immune IMO.

[MIAdragon]

There's no way that we will have the worst record this year. We might be below average, but not bad enough that we should just tank. Frankly, I think Cincy will be the worst.
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still think this?

[MIAdragon]

No matter how bad Cassel is, I don't think Pioli and Haley have the balls to bench or cut him...I mean, it was blatantly obvious he should've been pulled today in the 2nd quarter or later for at least one series.

Cassel is immune IMO.

not this early into the season, you let him ride it out and hope he gets his shit together for the next game. If be week 4-5 he's still shit then you bench his ass.

[jlscorpio]

so is this still an idiotic post?

[jlscorpio]

Suh's gonna make Haley's job a lot easier next week