Chiefs cuts

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Roster cuts starting to trickle in





The list of confirmed roster cuts is at seven. Fullback Shane Bannon, tight end Charlie Gantt, offensive linemen Chris Harr and Mike Ingersoll, linebackers Pierre Walters and Micah Johnson and defensive back Reshard Langford have been informed they will be released.

Bannon was the Chiefs' seventh-round draft pick this year.

I'm aware of the report that Tony Moeaki is going on IR after injuring his knee against Green Bay. I'm waiting on



adamteicherAdam Teicher
Partial list of Chiefs cuts: http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1795



http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-3/CHIEFS-ANNOUNCE-ROSTER-MOVES/4680d0ba-4a34-4c19-b6d4-731948e65e66

[booger]

this from twitter?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

this from twitter?

adamteicherAdam Teicher


Partial list of Chiefs cuts: http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1795

[booger]

thanks

[Coogs]

Didn't like my thread huh? :D

[SPchief]

Are you going to update the thread header, or is Pawnmower actually going to have to read?

[KurtCobain]

Anything from Wright?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Are you going to update the thread header, or is Pawnmower actually going to have to read?

I'LL update for him lol

[KurtCobain]

I was just out and about and this person who seems extremely credible is saying Thomas Jones getting cut today.

[RealSNR]

Are you going to update the thread header, or is Pawnmower actually going to have to read?Yeah. That's all you do is read threads. Some people actually have lives /pawn

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I was just out and about and this person who seems extremely credible is saying Thomas Jones getting cut today.

You drunk bro?

[Coogs]

I was just out and about and this person who seems extremely credible is saying Thomas Jones getting cut today.

Went to BestBuy?

[the Talking Can]

I was just out and about and this person who seems extremely credible is saying Thomas Jones getting cut today.

cut the HEART of the chiefs?

[BossChief]

I was just out and about and this person who seems extremely credible is saying Thomas Jones getting cut today.

I will burn a nirvana cd if this turns out to not be true.

[the Talking Can]

Are you going to update the thread header, or is Pawnmower actually going to have to read?

we should make every post its own thread, so he doesn't have to learn to scroll

[KurtCobain]

My source is an incredibly reliable, yet slightly chunky lady I just met at Ruby Tuesdays. She says she knows this for sure.

[KurtCobain]

I will burn a nirvana cd if this turns out to not be true.

As long as you legally purchase it first. :thumb:

[DaFace]

Are you going to update the thread header, or is Pawnmower actually going to have to read?

Though Pawnmower's a whiner, I've searched for YEARS for a vB mod that would let us have a "quick summary" post that people could edit to keep threads like this up to date. My dream would be for supporters to be able to team up and keep huge threads up to date with a nice summary.

Alas, I've been looking for at least 3 years now and haven't ever found anything.

[Hootie]

My source is an incredibly reliable, yet slightly chunky lady I just met at Ruby Tuesdays. She says she knows this for sure.

You can't afford your daughters lunch yet you're rubying it up!?!??! Bro...

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[KurtCobain]

You can't afford your daughters lunch yet you're rubying it up!?!??! Bro...

Sent from my DROID PRO using Tapatalk

Ok... it was Dennys, you caught me.

[TimeForWasp]

Anything from Wright?



Yes , this just up. Wright is wrong.

[SPchief]

Though Pawnmower's a whiner, I've searched for YEARS for a vB mod that would let us have a "quick summary" post that people could edit to keep threads like this up to date. My dream would be for supporters to be able to team up and keep huge threads up to date with a nice summary.

Alas, I've been looking for at least 3 years now and haven't ever found anything.

Yeah, but that would more than likely get abused like tags

[slothf]

I certainly hope some decent TE gets cut around the league'

[Hammock Parties]

Bannon was always an asshole.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173675_504510423_6255107_n.jpg

[Iconic]

The Dolphins have cut RB Larry Johnson.

SOURCE: Twitter / Armando Salguero
http://twitter.com/#!/ArmandoSalguero/status/110091090597654529
:LOL::LOL:
What was that 3 weeks?

[DaFace]

Yeah, but that would more than likely get abused like tags

Could be, but that's why it would (theoretically) be a "supporters only" think. It'd also be one of those things where people who abuse it would lose their privs in a hurry.

Not that it matters since I can't find a way to do it.

[Hammock Parties]

http://i51.tinypic.com/11m3kmr.jpg

[Rams Fan]

http://i51.tinypic.com/11m3kmr.jpg

LMAO

[booger]

sounds like he's motivated and excited about the practice squad

[booger]

JerhemeUrban83 Jerheme Urban
“@Hasselbeck: Remembering the day I got cut from team has always been part of motivation. #NFL”<--- I've had lots of motivation last 9 yrs.
13 minutes ago

[KurtCobain]

Bye bye Jerheme.

[Okie_Apparition]

Janice Fourblisters is a sad panda

[Okie_Apparition]

Tuck Tuck Tucker!!!

[CaliforniaChief]

Remember a couple of years ago when Pollard was cut and Looney was doing the chat room? He had to triple-check the list because he couldn't believe it.

[CaliforniaChief]

How long is this going to take?

[Fritz88]

That Yale kid pick was as puzzling and as fucked up from Pioli as it can get.

[Fritz88]

When Heap was released by the Ravens, I wanted us to pick him.

[Bob Dole]

You can't afford your daughters lunch yet you're rubying it up!?!??! Bro...

Sent from my DROID PRO using Tapatalk

Ruby's So Connected members got a 25% off entire order coupon this week.

[RealSNR]

JerhemeUrban83 Jerheme Urban
“@Hasselbeck: Remembering the day I got cut from team has always been part of motivation. #NFL”<--- I've had lots of motivation last 9 yrs.
13 minutes ago
Excellent.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-3/CHIEFS-ANNOUNCE-ROSTER-MOVES/4680d0ba-4a34-4c19-b6d4-731948e65e66

[-King-]

Excellent.
?

That doesn't mean he has been cut.
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[ShowtimeSBMVP]

CHIEFS ANNOUNCE ROSTER MOVES

By PR Staff

Posted 3 minutes ago




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Discuss

Comments:

TE Tony Moeaki heading to injured reserve

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on waivers:



Harold Ayodele


NT


Emporia State




Shane Bannon


FB


Yale




Justin Cole


LB


San Jose State




Mike Cox


FB


Georgia Tech




Dion Gales


DT


Troy




Charlie Gantt


TE


Michigan State




Bobby Greenwood


DT


Alabama




Chris Harr


G


Chattanooga




Darryl Harris


G


Mississippi




Jeremy Horne


WR


Massachusetts




Mike Ingersoll


T


North Carolina




Micah Johnson


LB


Kentucky




Amara Kamara


LB


Temple




Reshard Langford


S


Vanderbilt




Quinten Lawrence


WR


McNeese State




Butch Lewis


G


Southern California




Zeke Markshausen


WR


Northwestern




David Mims


T


Virginia Union




Luke Patterson


DE


Texas A&M




Ricky Price


DB


Oklahoma State




Cody Slate


TE


Marshall




Anthony Toribio


NT


Carson-Newman




Verran Tucker


WR


California




Pierre Walters


LB


Eastern Illinois




Demond Washington


DB


Auburn


The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on Injured Reserve:




Gabe Miller


LB


Oregon State





Tony Moeaki


TE


Iowa

[-King-]

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on waivers: Harold Ayodele NT Emporia State

Shane Bannon FB Yale

Justin Cole LB San Jose State

Mike Cox FB Georgia Tech

Dion Gales DT Troy

Charlie Gantt TE Michigan State

Bobby Greenwood DT Alabama

Chris Harr G Chattanooga

Darryl Harris G Mississippi

Jeremy Horne WR Massachusetts

Mike Ingersoll T North Carolina

Micah Johnson LB Kentucky

Amara Kamara LB Temple

Reshard Langford S Vanderbilt

Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State

Butch Lewis G Southern California

Zeke Markshausen WR Northwestern

David Mims T Virginia Union

Luke Patterson DE Texas A&M

Ricky Price DB Oklahoma State

Cody Slate TE Marshall

Anthony Toribio NT Carson-Newman

Verran Tucker WR California

Pierre Walters LB Eastern Illinois

Demond Washington DB Auburn

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on Injured Reserve:

Gabe Miller LB Oregon State

Tony Moeaki TE Iowa
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[CaliforniaChief]

And McGraw survives.

[CaliforniaChief]

Urban is still with us, too...

[NJChiefsFan]

Do they think Mims will survive the waiver wire?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Wow Slate cut

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

And battle makes this fucking team again

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Urban is still with us, too...

The only way they'd cut him is if we picked up a good FA

[CaliforniaChief]

Yeah but if we want to sign anybody, more guys are going to have to go.

[Iconic]

We will regret letting Tucker go... Mark my fucking words.:#

[mcaj22]

lol @ Battle making the team.


interesting that we only have OConnel and Anthony Becht (who hasnt played in like 2 years) as the only TEs on the roster. They have to be bringing a couple in that get cut.


At least the Quinten Lawrence experiment has come to an end.

[veist]

Only one of those that is at all surprising is Mims.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I wish we would've traded for Lee Evans, but that's just me.

[booger]

Demorrio as the backup mike LB behind belcher is a joke

[mcaj22]

def should have signed Todd Heap when we had the chance

[Bowser]

And battle makes this fucking team again

:facepalm:

[booger]

got to pickup another OL. Only got 7

[Iconic]

def should have signed Todd Heap when we had the chance

If we could predict the future then yes. Otherwise no. Heath Miller is the better TE anyways.... Let the Donald Lee era begin.:clap:

[NJChiefsFan]

So Colbert over Tucker, Piscatelli over Langford, and Becht over Slate when we already have Pope. They have to go get a TE now. Also, why is Battle still on the team. Lets forget how bad he has looked. Even IF the Chiefs liked him, is he really going to help at all? Lot of guys I would take over him to help on special teams.

[pr_capone]

Wondering why Copper, Washington, & Battle are still on the team.

Glad Lawrence is finally gone tho.

[RealSNR]

We will regret letting Tucker go... Mark my fucking words.:#Dude did absolutely nothing to improve from year 1 to 2.

As far as I'm concerned, he can die in a fire. We don't need him.

[RealSNR]

The only cut that bugs me is Slate.

[slapnutz_4]

did brandon bair make the team?

[BossChief]

Being a receiver is all about being dependable so that you build a trust factor with the QB and he feels comfortable throwing you the ball in crucial situations.

Tucker showed an improved ability to run his routes well enough to get a lot of separation but he failed to catch the ball in too many situations.

I would have liked to have seen him make the team, but life goes on.

[CaliforniaChief]

That's fine, but I never want to see another pass thrown to Terrence Copper.

[RealSNR]

That's fine, but I never want to see another pass thrown to Terrence Copper.You will. And you will like it.

[T-post Tom]

CHIEFS ANNOUNCE ROSTER MOVES
By PR Staff Posted 31 minutes ago

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on waivers:

Harold Ayodele--NT--Emporia State
Shane Bannon--FB--Yale
Justin Cole--LB--San Jose State
Mike Cox--FB--Georgia Tech
Dion Gales--D--Troy
Charlie Gantt--TE--Michigan State
Bobby Greenwood--DT--Alabama
Chris Harr--G--Chattanooga
Darryl Harris--G--Mississippi
Jeremy Horne--WR--Massachusetts
Mike Ingersoll--T--North Carolina
Micah Johnson--LB--Kentucky
Amara Kamara--LB--Temple
Reshard Langford--S--Vanderbilt
Quinten Lawrence--WR--McNeese State
Butch Lewis--G--Southern California
Zeke Markshausen--WR--Northwestern
David Mims--T--Virginia Union
Luke Patterson--DE--Texas A&M
Ricky Price--DB--Oklahoma State
Cody Slate--TE--Marshall
Anthony Toribio --NT--Carson-Newman
Verran Tucker--WR--California
Pierre Walters--LB--Eastern Illinois
Demond Washington--DB--Auburn

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on Injured Reserve:

Gabe Miller--LB--Oregon State
Tony Moeaki--TE--Iowa

[JoeyChuckles]

Did Brandon Flowers and Jamal (sp?) Charles make the team?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

did brandon bair make the team?

yes

[booger]

did brandon bair make the team?

yes

[the Talking Can]

fuck battle

[Fritz88]

Did Brandon Flowers and Jamal (sp?) Charles make the team?

I am still holding my breath.
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[Fritz88]

Horne and Tucker will be picked up.
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[Titty Meat]

Wheres that dumbass who compared me to Mecca and told me I didn't know anything about football because I said Bair was a good prospect who wouldn't get cut.

[Marcellus]

Wondering why Copper, Washington, & Battle are still on the team.

Glad Lawrence is finally gone tho.

Special Teams. No other reason.

[Bwana]

**** battle

This and Copper.

[xztop12]

so donald washington made the squad

[Iconic]

Dude did absolutely nothing to improve from year 1 to 2.

As far as I'm concerned, he can die in a fire. We don't need him.

Both Colbert and Copper are 29+ in age and have reached there ceiling.Tucker is younger and is not anywhere near what could be his ceiling. He is just as capable as Copper on ST and Colbert is just the most retarded pick up ever. **** Copper I'm tired of his ST play always getting him by every year and the mediocrity he shows at the receiving position.

[mcaj22]

I am assuming Washington and Copper had no competition at gunners on special teams, so they were kind of locks for that reason even if they suck garbage at their natural positions they are listed

[RealSNR]

Both Colbert and Copper are 29+ in age and have reached there ceiling.Tucker is younger and is not anywhere near what could be his ceiling.
In order for him to approach his ceiling he's got to start getting better. He didn't. There's no reason at all to expect that he will. It's not like we cut Joe Horn or anything.

He is just as capable as Copper on ST
Now you're just making shit up. What's next? If the Chiefs had kept Verran Tucker, you would have won the lottery?
and Colbert is just the most retarded pick up ever.Apparently not.
**** Copper I'm tired of his ST play always getting him by every year and the mediocrity he shows at the receiving position.I don't speak fluent retard, but I'll try to decipher what you wrote.

Copper never "gets by". He is and has always been a lock to make the roster in all of Haley's seasons due to his ability on special teams. That's why he's on the roster and why he won't be taken out unless we find a younger player more adept at special teams than he is. His role on the team has never been molded as a 4th WR or go-to guy. He's a veteran who does his job, and sometimes contributes on offense as a blocking WR. If he gets lucky, he will get a few table scraps here and there.

Quit dreaming of the Chiefs finding the next Miles Austin. Tucker is not that guy. Neither will it be any of their undrafted receivers for a long time. That kind of player is a RARITY. It doesn't happen very fucking often. Get used to it. Copper is actually worth something to the team. Therefore, he stays.

[Chiefaholic]

Wondering why Copper, Washington, & Battle are still on the team.

Glad Lawrence is finally gone tho.

The ONLY reason these scrubs are on the team is because of their special teams contribution. If it were up to me, Copper would have rode a Greyhound back to KC to pack up his shit after his Green Bay stone hand performance. I don't give a flying **** if your good on special teams if you blow chunks when called upon to perform at your designated position. Battle isn't terrible at HB, but he HAS to grip the damn football like it's his mothers urn. Washington makes the team by default because we have no depth at all worth a crap, which makes signing BOTH Flowers and Carr that much more important going into next years draft.

[aturnis]

CHIEFS ANNOUNCE ROSTER MOVES
By PR Staff Posted 31 minutes ago

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on waivers:

Harold Ayodele--NT--Emporia State
Shane Bannon--FB--Yale
Justin Cole--LB--San Jose State
Mike Cox--FB--Georgia Tech
Dion Gales--D--Troy
Charlie Gantt--TE--Michigan State
Bobby Greenwood--DT--Alabama
Chris Harr--G--Chattanooga
Darryl Harris--G--Mississippi
Jeremy Horne--WR--Massachusetts
Mike Ingersoll--T--North Carolina
Micah Johnson--LB--Kentucky
Amara Kamara--LB--Temple
Reshard Langford--S--Vanderbilt
Quinten Lawrence--WR--McNeese State
Butch Lewis--G--Southern California
Zeke Markshausen--WR--Northwestern
David Mims--T--Virginia Union
Luke Patterson--DE--Texas A&M
Ricky Price--DB--Oklahoma State
Cody Slate--TE--Marshall
Anthony Toribio --NT--Carson-Newman
Verran Tucker--WR--California
Pierre Walters--LB--Eastern Illinois
Demond Washington--DB--Auburn

The Kansas City Chiefs place the following players on Injured Reserve:

Gabe Miller--LB--Oregon State
Tony Moeaki--TE--Iowa

My main surprises. Also, we're down to 52 players right now, so expect some movement.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

My main surprises. Also, we're down to 52 players right now, so expect some movement.

chiefs are at 53 not 52

[booger]

I don't expect Bair to stick on the 53 very long. They need another OL like a combo G/C like Nick McDonald from GB or Zane Taylor from the Jets, both who got waived. Possibly Lemuel JeanPierre who was w/KC last year until the cutdown and went on to Seattle's PS. Haven't seen their cuts yet but it's a safe bet since Cable took over the OL and switched it over to a bigger OL power scheme and Lem JP fits the zone system like KC runs.

It's pretty rare to see them keep 8 DL. Sometimes if they got a guy like Bair who they really want to keep and think he won't clear waivers they keep them on the 53 for a few days or even weeks until teams establish their PS and then waive him. Teams do that if they are paranoid enough he won't clear. Then if he does he would get a salary pretty close to that he would have if he stayed on the 53 b/c they don't have a max on PS player contracts. They get them to stick around because of that contract flexibility when teams offer to sign them off the PS onto another teams roster.

Just a guess anyway.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

In order for him to approach his ceiling he's got to start getting better. He didn't. There's no reason at all to expect that he will. It's not like we cut Joe Horn or anything.


Now you're just making shit up. What's next? If the Chiefs had kept Verran Tucker, you would have won the lottery?
Apparently not.
I don't speak fluent retard, but I'll try to decipher what you wrote.

Copper never "gets by". He is and has always been a lock to make the roster in all of Haley's seasons due to his ability on special teams. That's why he's on the roster and why he won't be taken out unless we find a younger player more adept at special teams than he is. His role on the team has never been molded as a 4th WR or go-to guy. He's a veteran who does his job, and sometimes contributes on offense as a blocking WR. If he gets lucky, he will get a few table scraps here and there.

Quit dreaming of the Chiefs finding the next Miles Austin. Tucker is not that guy. Neither will it be any of their undrafted receivers for a long time. That kind of player is a RARITY. It doesn't happen very fucking often. Get used to it. Copper is actually worth something to the team. Therefore, he stays.

:clap: Somebody gets it. Outstanding post sir.

[BigMeatballDave]

Copper is nails on ST. Thats why he's on the team. Why do so many of you not get this?

[booger]

My thinking was I didn't want to see all 3 of Urban, Colbert, and Copper. 2 but not all 3. I figured Copper was safe but thought if they could choose either Urban or Colbert and keep Tucker that would be the best way to go. Tucker was playing very well as a gunner and had like 14 tackles on sp. teams in 11 games. Didn't look like a future star or anything close to it as a WR but made progress when taking over for Chambers.

This pre season it looked like he did improve as a WR getting separation and showed a little quick twitch after the catch. Had some troubles w/drops but he sure wasn't the only one. I just thought he deserved one of the last 2 spots and could take over Copper's role fulltime in the next year or 2 when he slows down.

Don't get to see the practices and all that obviously. Plus with what they kept at TE i don't expect them to catch too many balls with who they have now. Don't even know when O'Connell will return from injury and he is the most athletic pass catcher they have at the moment. That could explain only devoting 1 of the 6 WR spots to a special teamer.

I think Horne will most likely clear waivers and be a decent guy to develop. It's not out of the question Tucker makes it back to the PS either. Just depends on what teams needs are.

[Iconic]

In order for him to approach his ceiling he's got to start getting better. He didn't. There's no reason at all to expect that he will. It's not like we cut Joe Horn or anything.

You can't show your ceiling unless your given a chance. One rookie season isn't much of a chance is it?


Now you're just making shit up. What's next? If the Chiefs had kept Verran Tucker, you would have won the SuperBowl?
Apparently not.

FIXED.


Copper never "gets by". He is and has always been a lock to make the roster in all of Haley's seasons due to his ability on special teams. That's why he's on the roster and why he won't be taken out unless we find a younger player more adept at special teams than he is. His role on the team has never been molded as a 4th WR or go-to guy. He's a veteran who does his job on special teams, and sometimes contributes on offense as a blocking WR. If he gets lucky, he will get a few table scraps here and there.

Sounds like he does "get by". The point is special teams has now become far less important. Which means Copper's value has decreased immensely. We haven't even seen what Tucker can do.


Quit dreaming of the Chiefs finding the next Miles Austin. It's not in Tucker and it won't be in any of their undrafted receivers for a long time. That kind of player is a RARITY. It doesn't happen very ****ing often. Get used to it. Copper is actually worth something to the team. Therefore, he stays.

Miles Austin didn't do jack shit till his 4th NFL season and was literally handed the number one receiving spot with T.O's departure and Romo losing confidence in Williams. Your receiving corp will impact you more then a special teams god. Being good on special teams and sucking ass at your designated position is like being the king of shit. You're still shit. Copper can be replaced and that's that. Simply put, Special teams don't win superbowls.

[Deberg_1990]

Copper is nails on ST. Thats why he's on the team. Why do so many of you not get this?

Special teams don't matter much

Signed, 2010 Chargers

[aturnis]

chiefs are at 53 not 52

Unless AP forgot to list the long snapper on their unofficial depth chart, I only count 52...

[Iconic]

Special teams don't matter much

Signed, 2010 Chargers

If our entire special teams play rests on Copper then were in more of a mess then I anticipated.

[Frankie]

Moeaki on IR, isn't there a new IR rule this year that makes it all season?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Moeaki on IR, isn't there a new IR rule this year that makes it all season?

IR has always been all season.

[booger]

Moeaki on IR, isn't there a new IR rule this year that makes it all season?

IR has always been for the rest of the season

[Frankie]

IR has always been for the rest of the season

Really? I thought it was 6 or 8 weeks minimum in the past. Maybe I'm thinking PUP or something.

[RealSNR]

If our entire special teams play rests on Copper then were in more of a mess then I anticipated.
Zero punt return/kick return TDs allowed last year by the Chiefs ST.

There's a stat for ya. Would you rather have that or some shitty Richard Smith/JJ Moses dork who can't do any one thing well?

[The Bad Guy]

I love when noobs come out of the woodwork on days like today. There's a reason you lurk except for 2 times a year --- it's because you suck.

[Iconic]

Zero punt return/kick return TDs allowed last year by the Chiefs ST.

There's a stat for ya. Would you rather have that or some shitty Richard Smith/JJ Moses dork who can't do any one thing well?

Since you want to bring Stats into the argument... Well let's indeed talk about stats.

SPECIAL TEAM STATS:
Verran Tucker had 4 kick returns for 73 yards and a 18.3 average.
Terrance Copper had 2 kick returns for 26 yards and a 13.0 average.
Defensively they both recorded 14 total tackles with Verran having 12 tackles and 2 assist's and Copper having 11 tackles with 3 assists. Verran also had a fumble recovery... I recall you telling me that I talk straight from my anus when I said Tucker can replace Copper with so much more potential. He already kicked his ass in stats both receiving but also in special teams.

Verran>Copper. Get over it.

[RealSNR]

Sounds like he does "get by". The point is special teams has now become far less important. Which means Copper's value has decreased immensely. We haven't even seen what Tucker can do.

Miles Austin didn't do jack shit till his 4th NFL season and was literally handed the number one receiving spot with T.O's departure and Romo losing confidence in Williams. Your receiving corp will impact you more then a special teams god. Being good on special teams and sucking ass at your designated position is like being the king of shit. You're still shit. Copper can be replaced and that's that. Simply put, Special teams don't win superbowls.It doesn't matter how you or I would build a team. It matters how Todd builds his team. He is following a long Parcells/Belichick tradition of having extra guys around as specialists on kick returns to set up blocks and collapse wedges. And Copper happens to be one of the best at what he does in the league. Cry all you want, but Copper's on this team for a reason, and he's not leaving now or even next year. He's going to be here for awhile. That's not what I call "getting by". He's a LOCK.

As for the rest of your nonsense about "we have to give Tucker a chance!" Players who are promising often show flashes of greatness... what they can do when everything goes right. Well, I've never seen Tucker flash greatness. Not once in preseason, training camp, or even last year when he started a bunch of games.

He's going to be great you say? Why have I never seen him abuse his man with a really crisp route? Why have I never seen him show blazing quickness down the middle or upfield? Why have I never seen him play well on special teams? Why have I never seen him show consistency in his hands?

As far as Miles Austin is concerned, he entered the league in 2006 as RETURNER. He made the team as RETURNER. And when he flashed greatness he did it as a RETURNER IN THE PLAYOFFS in 2006. By 2008 he worked his way up to 3rd on the depth chart.

The Cowboys never said, "Duuhhhrr... what if he ends up being really good? We need to keep him." They kept him because he served a role on the team. He actually did something.

Tucker ISN'T GOOD ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I don't know why you insist that he is. He's not. Look at all of his games. He's immature as a receiver.

He'll probably be back next year, dude. Because I'll bet you that there won't be a single goddamn team out there who will sign him. Not one.

[milkman]

It doesn't matter how you or I would build a team. It matters how Todd builds his team. He is following a long Parcells/Belichick tradition of having extra guys around as specialists on kick returns to set up blocks and collapse wedges. And Copper happens to be one of the best at what he does in the league. Cry all you want, but Copper's on this team for a reason, and he's not leaving now or even next year. He's going to be here for awhile. That's not what I call "getting by". He's a LOCK.

As for the rest of your nonsense about "we have to give Tucker a chance!" Players who are promising often show flashes of greatness... what they can do when everything goes right. Well, I've never seen Tucker flash greatness. Not once in preseason, training camp, or even last year when he started a bunch of games.

He's going to be great you say? Why have I never seen him abuse his man with a really crisp route? Why have I never seen him show blazing quickness down the middle or upfield? Why have I never seen him play well on special teams? Why have I never seen him show consistency in his hands?

As far as Miles Austin is concerned, he entered the league in 2006 as RETURNER. He made the team as RETURNER. And when he flashed greatness he did it as a RETURNER IN THE PLAYOFFS in 2006. By 2008 he worked his way up to 3rd on the depth chart.

The Cowboys never said, "Duuhhhrr... what if he ends up being really good? We need to keep him." They kept him because he served a role on the team. He actually did something.

Tucker ISN'T GOOD ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I don't know why you insist that he is. He's not. Look at all of his games. He's immature as a receiver.

He'll probably be back next year, dude. Because I'll bet you that there won't be a single goddamn team out there who will sign him. Not one.

I think in your zeal to defend Copper, you have gone overboard in lambasting Tucker.

Tucker did show flashes as a receiver, and he might one day contribute to a team, maybe even KC.

I get why Copper is on the team, and have no problem with that.

But Tucker does appear to have some upside as a receiver.

[RealSNR]

I think in your zeal to defend Copper, you have gone overboard in lambasting Tucker.

Tucker did show flashes as a receiver, and he might one day contribute to a team, maybe even KC.

I get why Copper is on the team, and have no problem with that.

But Tucker does appear to have some upside as a receiver.I hope he reads my post, comes back next year, and proves me wrong.

Until then, he's not the best option we have at that last receiver spot. Maybe if/when Urban gets injured like he always does we'll give him a call.

[Iconic]

I hope he reads my post, comes back next year, and proves me wrong.

Until then, he's not the best option we have at that last receiver spot. Maybe if/when Urban gets injured like he always does we'll give him a call.

Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

[milkman]

Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

I'm going to tell you what I say to everyone that brings stats to an argument.

Stats mean jack.

[Iconic]

I'm going to tell you what I say to everyone that brings stats to an argument.

Stats mean jack.

I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player. I mean I agree with that argument myself. I shrug stats of when debating about Cassel. But for a SpecialTeamer that's about all you'd go of off I'd assume.

[Rukdafaidas]

Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

Haley and Pioli watch these guys play every day, we don't. They know who's better and we don't. I trust their judgement.

[Iconic]

Haley and Pioli watch these guys play every day, we don't. They know who's better and we don't. I trust their judgement.

Then no one should complain about Battle, Jones, Cassel, Stude, etc. That argument is stale and can be used for virtually anything.

[milkman]

I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player. I mean I agree with that argument myself. I shrug stats of when debating about Cassel. But for a SpecialTeamer that's about all you'd go of off I'd assume.

Neither are worth a crap as returners, so you can throw those numbers out the window.

What you have to watch is how they manage their lanes and handle bockers.

Copper is always in position to either make the tackle, or redirect the returner to heavier punt coverage.

Tucker gets a lot of his tackles because he let the returner run by him, through his lane, and has to catch up from behind.

[Frankie]

Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

I'm going to tell you what I say to everyone that brings stats to an argument.

Stats mean jack.

I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player.

Based on stats and Coppers two stupid drops last night I would have liked Tucker to stay and Copper to go.

That said, there are intangibles that we do not see and the coaches who see the players every day do.

[Frankie]

Copper is always in position to either make the tackle, or redirect the returner to heavier punt coverage.

Tucker gets a lot of his tackles because he let the returner run by him, through his lane, and has to catch up from behind.

I haven't watched their special team performances carefully at all. But that's a very interesting point.

[aturnis]

Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts. Again, I respect you and your views, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Weathered and respected here as you are, you've earned the right to spout a bit of bullshit here and there.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

[milkman]

Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

It's only thin if you don't know what you're watching.

This argument is about the reason that Copper makes the team due to STs play, not because of receiving skills.

You're right about the dropped balls costing him.

But just last night, you see Copper stay in his lane on a punt return, and the returner turned into the middle of the field, where hes met by a slew of tacklers.

A couple of punts later, you see Tucker run right by the returner, and he's able to get to the outside for a good return.

Tucker didn't stay in his lane.

He tried to get around a blocker, leaving his lane, rather than take on the blocker in his lane.

[wasi]

It's only thin if you don't know what you're watching.

This argument is about the reason that Copper makes the team due to STs play, not because of receiving skills.

You're right about the dropped balls costing him.

But just last night, you see Copper stay in his lane on a punt return, and the returner turned into the middle of the field, where hes met by a slew of tacklers.

A couple of punts later, you see Tucker run right by the returner, and he's able to get to the outside for a good return.

Tucker didn't stay in his lane.

He tried to get around a blocker, leaving his lane, rather than take on the blocker in his lane.

The TD pass he dropped (against the Rams I think) didn't help his cause.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player. I mean I agree with that argument myself. I shrug stats of when debating about Cassel. But for a SpecialTeamer that's about all you'd go of off I'd assume.

Wow, this is a sleeper of a post for dumbest of the year LMAO Seriously???

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts. Again, I respect you and your views, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Weathered and respected here as you are, you've earned the right to spout a bit of bullshit here and there.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

Huh? Milk is 100% spot on with his analysis of the ST play. Copper was known as a damn good special teams player before he became a Chief. The Chiefs had excellent kick coverage teams last year and Copper was outstanding in his role.

[Hammock Parties]

I can't believe we cut Tucker for a trio of turds like Copper, Urban and Colbert. Half our WR corps has zero potential.

[-King-]

I will laugh my ass off as McCluster has more yards than Tucker
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[aturnis]

I will laugh my ass off as McCluster has more yards than Tucker
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Of course he'll have more yards...Tucker, as of this point, is out of professional football.

[RealSNR]

It appears our season is doomed now that we don't have Tucker.

Where was all this love during the preseason/training camp? Nobody came forward in support of Tucker. Nobody even remarked anything about the supposed improvements he made in his route running (I really didn't notice). All we did was bitch at him when he couldn't catch the damn ball.

Well now the invisible man has been cut, and NOW people bitch. I don't get it.

[Titty Meat]

Tucker was a deep ball threat who clearly had skill (see the game against Oakland last year). It's bullshit that he was cut.

[milkman]

Tucker was a deep ball threat who clearly had skill (see the game against Oakland last year). It's bullshit that he was cut.

He has inconsistent hands, much like Copper.

He apparently has more upside as a reciever, but he has to improve his catching ability.

He'll probably get signed to the practice squad if he isn't picked up by anyone else.

But his hands were a problem last season and that problem reared it's ugly head this preseason, and until he can become more reliable, he's a liability.

[Titty Meat]

He has inconsistent hands, much like Copper.

He apparently has more upside as a reciever, but he has to improve his catching ability.

He'll probably get signed to the practice squad if he isn't picked up by anyone else.

But his hands were a problem last season and that problem reared it's ugly head this preseason, and until he can become more reliable, he's a liability.

I know Copper was kept here because he can play special teams but he also dropped 2 first down passes in a row. Tucker might drop a few balls but I don't understand why Urban was kept instead. We're talking the 4th wideout here who can get separation and is a deep wait nevermind Cassel is the qb.

[Hammock Parties]

It appears our season is doomed now that we don't have Tucker.

Where was all this love during the preseason/training camp? Nobody came forward in support of Tucker. Nobody even remarked anything about the supposed improvements he made in his route running (I really didn't notice). All we did was bitch at him when he couldn't catch the damn ball.

Well now the invisible man has been cut, and NOW people bitch. I don't get it.

People were pretty excited about somethings he did in the 2nd and 3rd games IIRC

The guy was a rookie last year....I hope he's signed to the PS.

[milkman]

People were pretty excited about somethings he did in the 2nd and 3rd games IIRC

The guy was a rookie last year....I hope he's signed to the PS.

He's shown some real potential and growth, but you can't go into the season with him as your #3 receiver.

[Hammock Parties]

He's shown some real potential and growth, but you can't go into the season with him as your #3 receiver.

He wouldn't be the #3 receiver.

He'd be the 4th receiver, at best.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Urban/Colbert
Copper/Colbert
Tucker

[milkman]

He wouldn't be the #3 receiver.

He'd be the 4th receiver, at best.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Urban/Colbert
Copper/Colbert
Tucker

I'm taking Baldwin out of the first game.

I think, should Tucker make it to the PS, he'll eventually replace Urban, if he can fix his hands.

[Rausch]

I know Copper was kept here because he can play special teams but he also dropped 2 first down passes in a row.

Fuck Copper. He only gets open in preseason and is by no means a dependable pass catcher.

Tucker might drop a few balls but I don't understand why Urban was kept instead. We're talking the 4th wideout here who can get separation and is a deep wait nevermind Cassel is the qb.

IIRC Urban is a Haley guy.

And a big WTF on our drafted FB.

I figured he'd be the the complimentary short yardage banger. I saw no reason to keep Battle after his annual spat of preseason fumbles...

[Chiefshrink]

Copper never "gets by". He is and has always been a lock to make the roster in all of Haley's seasons due to his ability on special teams. That's why he's on the roster and why he won't be taken out unless we find a younger player more adept at special teams than he is. His role on the team has never been molded as a 4th WR or go-to guy. He's a veteran who does his job, and sometimes contributes on offense as a blocking WR. If he gets lucky, he will get a few table scraps here and there.

Copper is actually worth something to the team. Therefore, he stays.

THIS!!!!:thumb:

Special Teams = Field Position

Sure I hated watching Copper do the same ol same ol but I also know this guy is a very good ST gunner.

Don't give a sh** how good your "O" or your "D" are, if your STs aren't performing they just give back the majority of field position/points of what your "O" and "D" just accomplished.

Just ask the 2010 San Diego Chicks-And we saw it the very first game of that year!!!

[Bowser]

Are you morons really arguing over a special teams player?

[RealSNR]

Are you morons really arguing over a special teams player?If you don't like what we're talking about then don't post

Boom! You've just been classic CP response'd. Suck it!

[Bowser]

If you don't like what we're talking about then don't post

Boom! You've just been classic CP response'd. Suck it!

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[NJChiefsFan]

And a big WTF on our drafted FB.

I figured he'd be the the complimentary short yardage banger. I saw no reason to keep Battle after his annual spat of preseason fumbles...

I think if FA came before the draft like normal, meaning we could have signed McClain before the draft, we might not have drafted him.

With all the Tucker vs. Copper stuff going on, does everyone think Colbert should be here over Tucker? Or does the fact that Haley seems to love him just put him in the Urban category?

[mcaj22]

Bannon was worse than Battle

you can be big and look like Bannon but he still looked like a lost idiot out there, he whiffed on so many blocks, the game was just too fast for him. He was bad

[-King-]

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Of course he'll have more yards...Tucker, as of this point, is out of professional football.

People think he'll catch on somewhere and play well. I'm sure he wont.