Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Peyton Manning - QB - Colts John Michael Vincent of ESPN 1070 Indianapolis reports Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck.




@JMV1070JMV1070

Been told by multi sources that QB P Manning needs a 2nd neck procedure. Will remain out indefinitely.Called #colts and waiting on response.


amSchefterAdam Schefter

Filed to ESPN from @mortreport: Peyton Manning is being revaluated by several doctors bc of slow progress. No other procedure planned now.


mortreportChris Mortensen

Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am - cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.

[58-4ever]

wow. This could be a good time for the Texans to finally break through in that division.

[Mr. Laz]

:eek:

Fantasy players everywhere scramble to find a starting QB.

[kcchiefsus]

Good, screw the Colts.

[kcxiv]

beginning of the end for the Colts run. It lasted a long ass time though.

[Crush]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

[BossChief]

4-1

[WhitiE]

Glad I stayed away in FFB.

[Hootie]

well dick...1-1 in predictions so far...nailed Chris Johnson, whiffed on Peyton Manning.

[RealSNR]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.Wouldn't that just be peachy :#

[Setsuna]

Sooo glad I didn't draft him, or any Colts receivers or TEs. I'm set, ROFL.

[NJChiefsFan]

Proof of why freaking out about the future schedule is a mistake.

[milkman]

Too bad.

I'm going on record to say that, should the Colts have to go with Collins, they'll be as bad as every one thinks they are without Manning until Curtis Painter takes over, after which they will be a .500 team the rest of the way.

Maybe I should join that stat thing Kyle is pimping and make that my first prediction.

[NJChiefsFan]

Too bad.

I'm going on record to say that, should the Colts have to go with Collins, they'll be as bad as every one thinks they are without Manning until Curtis Painter takes over, after which they will be a .500 team the rest of the way.

Maybe I should join that stat thing Kyle is pimping and make that my first prediction.

You like Painter? Maybe I am unfairly judging him in that game against the Jets. Rough time to come in, but he looked awful.

[Hootie]

hope he is out for the season and the Colts go 0-16...thus ending the Manning/Brady argument once and for all.

[Hootie]

or maybe Painter will lead them to an 11-5 season and we'll trade our 7th overall pick for him in 2012.

[Okie_Apparition]

Peyton's neck could only support that aircraft carrier of a forehead for so long. Dude's aged 10 years in 6months

[milkman]

You like Painter? Maybe I am unfairly judging him in that game against the Jets. Rough time to come in, but he looked awful.

I don't like Painter, but I also don't believe he's as bad as many think he is.

He's solid scrub, and solid scrubs can win you some games.

Everyone thought the Pats were fucked when Brady went down.

Pats fans thought Cassel was sheer unadulterated shit.

Backups who never see any acton except preseason are rarely as bad as most think.

[stonedstooge]

Didn't know there was such a thing as a second procedure. After my first one, I was told that due to scar tissue, there wasn't anything else that could be done, assuming he had disc problems like I had. He may be done

[KurtCobain]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

This. And then some team will have a good stop gap in Peyton.

[tk13]

Didn't know there was such a thing as a second procedure. After my first one, I was told that due to scar tissue, there wasn't anything else that could be done, assuming he had disc problems like I had. He may be done

It's also very curious because they took him off PUP a week ago. He was very limited in practice too. What happened between now and then...

[Mr. Laz]

hope he is out for the season and the Colts go 0-16...thus ending the Manning/Brady argument once and for all.and starting the Luck/Brady argument?

[milkman]

It's also very curious because they took him off PUP a week ago. He was very limited in practice too. What happened between now and then...

He turned his oversized head.

[Ming the Merciless]

As much as I hate the Colts I do feel bad for the guy, and wouldnt wish injury on anyone..

Plus I have him on one of my fantasy teaMS.

;)

Seriously though I hope he comes back.

[Ming the Merciless]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

ugh

:huh:

[tk13]

Meanwhile, let's check out Jim Irsay's twitter for information...

@JimIrsay Jim Irsay
Don't play Beatle records backwards...that's where the devil lies
35 minutes ago

Stay tuned for any further developments.

[NJChiefsFan]

He turned his oversized head.

Seriously. Its almost amazing that neck didn't give out earlier.

Peyton is one of my favorite players in the league. About as proffesional as you can be, and just fun to watch if you like seeing a guy study all week and just go to work on Sunday. Plus he actually is an athlete with a sense of timing. His commercials have always been decent.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Meanwhile, let's check out Jim Irsay's twitter for information...



Stay tuned for any further developments.

Go back to Friday, and there are some interesting tweets.

Weather forecast ever changing...ominous storm clouds gathering...it never rains under my umbrella....
2 Sep


There was the Rams-K Warner Sup year./ There was Patriot 2001-Brady Sup.year.--- Every year. is interesting n unpredictable in NFL!!!!
3 Sep


This ain't a dream no more...it's the real thing..give me a second,let me get it 2gether, just got 2 pick myself up off the floor
3 Sep


Got 2 code the darkness...prepare u 4 an alternative journey
3 Sep


No quarter?NONE ASKED!We made a promise,we swore we'd always remember,no retreat,no surrender;like soldiers in a winter's nite,a vow 2defend
3 Sep


Stampedblue and Jon Bauges/random or silly tweets,they r not..ur not hearing what I'm saying..riddle n codes r done4a reason,but it's there
3 Sep



Dude's fucking weird enough, but interesting he mentioned the Rams and Patriots SB seasons - which began with an injured QB.

[DTLB58]

@SI_PeterKing: Colts president Bill Polian to me tonight on reports Peyton needs second neck surgery: "I don't know anything about that. I honestly don't."

[Deberg_1990]

Wow, that sucks....im pretty sure he wanted to break Favres consecutive game record.

[13and3]

Phillip Rivers is more deserving of injury than matt, or peyton. He is long overdue.

[milkman]

Phillip Rivers is more deserving of injury than matt, or peyton. He is long overdue.

:facepalm:

[tk13]

This is the Colts, so this will probably turn out to be an untrue rumor. While every Chiefs injury rumor comes true.

[Okie_Apparition]

River's tears make him a tough tackle

[Quesadilla Joe]

**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Peyton Manning is *OUT FOR SEASON* 2nd neck surgery likely (Not good for the Colts) #Disaster

https://twitter.com/#!/incarceratedbob/status/110521421725315072

[Frazod]

**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Peyton Manning is *OUT FOR SEASON* 2nd neck surgery likely (Not good for the Colts) #Disaster

https://twitter.com/#!/incarceratedbob/status/110521421725315072

Boo hoo. That's just fucking tragic.

[Chiefnj2]

Does he get to keep his bonus?

[Okie_Apparition]

What if it was all just to the season ticket holder's money. Damn..HA FUCK EM

[BossChief]

Wow

[Bugeater]

Who the fuck is Incarcerated Bob?

[CaliforniaChief]

Who the fuck is Incarcerated Bob?

Some dude who works at the Cigar Box.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Is this legit?

[stonedstooge]

Who the **** is Incarcerated Bob?

Eli's alter ego

[Quesadilla Joe]

Who the **** is Incarcerated Bob?

Don't know a whole lot about him, just know that he reported a bunch of FA signings before the national media and that Adam Schefter gave him a shoutout.

You shouldn't take everything he says to the bank but he gets a lot of stuff right.

[KurtCobain]

Who the fuck is Incarcerated Bob?

He's got sources on the "inside".

[BryanBusby]

Don't know a whole lot about him, just know that he reported a bunch of FA signings before the national media and that Adam Schefter gave him a shoutout.

You shouldn't take everything he says to the bank but he gets a lot of stuff right.

He's had a few misses too, but yeah.

Too early to declare him out for the year though, as he should be a candidate for the PUP list.

[BossChief]

He's had a few misses too, but yeah.

Too early to declare him out for the year though, as he should be a candidate for the PUP list.

No, he's not.

[Luke]

If Manning has cervical fusion I would exspect it to be the end of his NFL days. The dude must have one hell of an agent to get his contract renewed then end his career. I find it hard to imagine he had no knowledge of upcoming surgery.

[durtyrute]

I hope he doesn't go through the surgery, sit out for however long, then come back and get is neck broken by some big 325lb jabbawocky and have to retire because of it. I'm no peyton fan but not like that.....not like that

[stonedstooge]

You don't think he would pull a Gil Meche and give the guaranteed money back?

[Fritz88]

So, is the Colts game a W?
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[Mr. Laz]

You don't think he would pull a Gil Meche and give the guaranteed money back?
Manning has not played yet under his new contract ... not sure he's even gotten that money yet. Surely he would have to pass a physical before getting the new money.

[Coogs]

OK, I have been watching ESPN SportsCenter for 10 minutes... from the top of the show... and not one word about this. :hmmm:

[Fritz88]

**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Peyton Manning is *OUT FOR SEASON* 2nd neck surgery likely (Not good for the Colts) #Disaster

https://twitter.com/#!/incarceratedbob/status/110521421725315072

Seems he deleted it. It would be a loss to every NFL fan.
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[Quesadilla Joe]

Seems he deleted it. It would be a loss to every NFL fan.
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It's still up for me... Are you following him on twitter? You can't see his tweets if you aren't.

[Coogs]

20 minutes in... not a peep.

[BryanBusby]

No, he's not.

Huh, guess they activated him off the active PUP list.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

adamSchefterAdam Schefter

Filed to ESPN from @mortreport: Peyton Manning is being revaluated by several doctors bc of slow progress. No other procedure planned now.

[Mr. Laz]

You know this can't be true, this kind of stuff only happens to KC fans.

[tk13]

Huh, guess they activated him off the active PUP list.

Yep, a week ago, which is what makes this rumor very bizarre. It's not like he's done anything to re-aggravate it... if they knew a 2nd procedure was coming they wouldn't have pulled him off the PUP.

[MMXcalibur]

Wow, thankfully I got Orton in Round 14 just in case Manning was still on the mend.


.....I'm boned.

[Chiefshrink]

Backups who never see any acton except preseason are rarely as bad as most think.

Yeah like Palko and it looks like we will get our chance to see him;)

[L.A. Chieffan]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

FU

[milkman]

Yeah like Palko and it looks like we will get our chance to see him;)

Yeah, but I said "rarely" and with the jump shot and shotput mechanics, this is very likely one of those rare cases where the backup is as bad as perceived.

[Backwards Masking]

If Manning has cervical fusion I would exspect it to be the end of his NFL days. The dude must have one hell of an agent to get his contract renewed then end his career. I find it hard to imagine he had no knowledge of upcoming surgery.

Sounds like Peyton got some advice from Albert Haynesworth and his team of agents/lawyers.

[Backwards Masking]

You know what this means....

http://www.insanemom.net/wp-content/uploads/brandi-favre-arrested-meth-brett-favre-sister.jpg

[4th and Long]

This whole Peyton Place Manning thing affects me, ... how?

[Backwards Masking]

Somwhere Favre is cheering, The Streak may truly never be broken now. Perfect Pertection Peyton behind his False Start Invincible Line inside his roofed in 70 degee dome was the closest anyone may ever sniff of it.

[Backwards Masking]

**UPDATED NFL NEWS**Source: Peyton Manning is *OUT FOR SEASON* 2nd neck surgery likely (Not good for the Colts) #Disaster

https://twitter.com/#!/incarceratedbob/status/110521421725315072

I bet he's not too injured to stop doing commericals. Unfortuneately for us.

[ReynardMuldrake]

So is any of this confirmed yet? I can't find info on it anywhere.

[Rasputin]

If we would beat the Colts this year (playing in ther dome yet again) it would be so much more bitter sweet if Manning is to start that game. I want us to beat them so freaking bad.

[JoeyChuckles]

And we are all crying about Tony Moeaki?

[Ultra Peanut]

http://i.imgur.com/IRZwd.gif

[Reerun_KC]

This whole Peyton Place Manning thing affects me, ... how?

Cause now if the chiefs do beat Indy it wont count.

and its just more excuses for Cassel...

[kstater]

Why every retard that posts every tweet they see are retards:


@AdamSchefter (http://twitter.com/#%21/AdamSchefter) Adam Schefter
There are no plans for a second neck procedure for Peyton Manning. Colts will address Manning's status for opener by noon today.

[Molitoth]

BILL POLIAN & JIM CALDWELL NEED FIRED CAUSE THEY PLAYED PEYTON MANNING LAST YEAR AND IT HURT HIS NECK.

[boogblaster]

no pey .. no way ....

[Marcellus]

Whats the latest on this? I have heard on ESPN twice that no further procedures are planned.

[Hammock Parties]

Sorry but I want to see Peyton when we go into Indy.

I have only seen the Chiefs beat the bastard once and I would like to see it again before he retires.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sorry but I want to see Peyton when we go into Indy.

I have only seen the Chiefs beat the bastard once and I would like to see it again before he retires.

Halloween, 2004.

Fun game.

[Hammock Parties]

The Indianapolis Colts have now officially addressed rumors about the halting progress of QB Peyton Manning's neck surgery. It seems his recovery now also includes back problems.

The team released a statement Monday. It reads, in part:

During the last week, the rate of improvement in Peyton's rehabilitation process slowed. Over the weekend Peyton experienced soreness in his back. It was originally thought to be a normal reaction to his rehabilitation regimen. When the soreness persisted, the Colts medical team decided to initiate diagnostic tests and to consult with a number of specialists around the country who have been involved in Peyton's case from the outset. That process continues. As a result of the most recent development the doctors have decided that Peyton will not practice. His participation therefore, in Sunday's game versus Houston will likely be doubtful. We will update his playing status as required by NFL policy as the week goes on.

At the conclusion of the diagnostic process, if there are any new developments in the prognosis which we outlined for Peyton at the start of training camp we will report them. As of now Peyton continues to deal with a complicated neurological recovery, the end date of which is unpredictable.

As was stated at the outset, it serves no useful purpose to speculate about hypothetical outcomes. When and if there are concrete medical facts to report we will do so.

The NFL's only four-time MVP, Manning has started 227 consecutive games (including playoffs), second only to Brett Favre (321) among quarterbacks.

If Manning can't play at Houston in Week 1, the Colts will have to decide between starting recently signed veteran Kerry Collins or third-year player Curtis Painter, who had two forgettable regular-season appearances in his rookie year.

[Reerun_KC]

He should just retire...

[Hammock Parties]

FYI...the Colts deleted the article.

http://www.colts.com/news-and-events/article-1/INDIANAPOLIS-COLTS-ON-PEYTON-MANNING%E2%80%99S-STATUS/b099af9f-136e-4032-a81d-195b59128969

Hilarious.

[Frazod]

Heh. When it becomes clear that Manning's done, that stadium will be so empty they'll have to pump in crowd noise from another game. LMAO

Fuck the Colts. Watching them crumble will be wonderful. 4321

[Hammock Parties]

Fuck the Colts. Watching them crumble will be wonderful. 4321

There has never been a more appropriate time to use this:

http://i52.tinypic.com/xghb1u.jpg

[Fat Elvis]

http://i.imgur.com/IRZwd.gif

Long time, no see UP. Welcome back.

[Bugeater]

He should just retire...
Yep, he'd be stupid to continue playing a violent game if he's having freaking neurological problems.

[tk13]

As we all know from Priest Holmes... neck problems are a bad deal. It's not like it's a pulled muscle. Peyton isn't a running back, but all it takes it one bad hit.

[Fritz88]

Sorry but I want to see Peyton when we go into Indy.

I have only seen the Chiefs beat the bastard once and I would like to see it again before he retires.
Same here. I want to see Romeo raping him.
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[ZootedGranny]

Fuck the Colts. Watching them crumble will be wonderful.

Agreed...until they draft Andrew Luck.

[Hammock Parties]

Same here. I want to see Romeo raping him.
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You want to see Manning sodomized by a 400-pound man?

[cabletech94]

You want to see Manning sodomized by a 400-pound man?

i'd like to think i had something to do with you changing your avy.

NICE.:thumb:

[Thig Lyfe]

Shit, the Colts now have a good chance to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

I would probably go to Indianapolis and stab a bunch of random people if that happened.

[Hammock Parties]

WDNE-AM in Indianapolis is reporting that Colts QB Peyton Manning has undergone another surgical procedure on his neck and is in danger of missing the season. This is the second radio report from Indianapolis in less than a week that has suggested that Manning will not play in 2011. Manning has been ruled out for Week 1 at Houston already as he has not rehabbed quickly enough from neck surgery in May. "It will be tough not to be out there playing for the organization and our fans," Manning said regarding missing Week 1, per ESPN. "I simply am not healthy enough to play."

[Hammock Parties]

Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer

RT @alexmarvez: RT @injuryexpert: Indy radio host @jakequery reporting Manning had another procedure on Sunday. Out for season. We'll see.

[booyaf2]

As much as the refs and the NFL in general have protected him, I'm amazed he has this serious of a neck injury. Must of been due to horseplay filming commercials with his brother.

[Urc Burry]

We play them week 4 or 5 right? Holy shit we might win

[O.city]

WDNE-AM in Indianapolis is reporting that Colts QB Peyton Manning has undergone another surgical procedure on his neck and is in danger of missing the season. This is the second radio report from Indianapolis in less than a week that has suggested that Manning will not play in 2011. Manning has been ruled out for Week 1 at Houston already as he has not rehabbed quickly enough from neck surgery in May. "It will be tough not to be out there playing for the organization and our fans," Manning said regarding missing Week 1, per ESPN. "I simply am not healthy enough to play."

Wow, that definately changes that team. That's a 6 win team without him .

[Donger]

Manning is out for this week's game.

[Bearcat]

Rick Reilly, Aug. 30: "Peyton Manning will keep his streak alive. If you think he's going to miss a start because of a neck problem, you've been chugging paint thinner. This guy hasn't missed a start since 1994 at Tennessee. Do you know how long ago it was when Manning didn't start for the Colts? Google was two days old. Kim Kardashian was 17. Russell Crowe was skinny! If Manning doesn't start Game 1, I will come to your house and eat things that are stuck in your carpet."

[O.city]

Dunno if anyone has asked or implyed this but, is this an injury that Peyton could never return from. Atleast return to full strength from. I mean if he misses a full year thats one year older he will be. How many years does he have left?

[Frazod]

Rick Reilly, Aug. 30: "Peyton Manning will keep his streak alive. If you think he's going to miss a start because of a neck problem, you've been chugging paint thinner. This guy hasn't missed a start since 1994 at Tennessee. Do you know how long ago it was when Manning didn't start for the Colts? Google was two days old. Kim Kardashian was 17. Russell Crowe was skinny! If Manning doesn't start Game 1, I will come to your house and eat things that are stuck in your carpet."

Sweet. I've got some cat puke behind the bed he can start with.

[Skyy God]

Is it bad of me to hope Peyton had a neck fusion and his career is in jeopardy? Probably.

[BigMeatballDave]

Damn. I wanted a healthy Manning to kick around.

[notorious]

Fuck Indy. They have had their day in the sun.

[O.city]

I don't really care if he's healthy or not when we play them. A win is a win in the NFL

[Frazod]

Fuck Indy. They have had their day in the sun.

Generally at our expense. Bastards.

[BigMeatballDave]

Should we place Hootie on suicide watch?

[NaptownChief]

Sucks for Manning and the Colts but Manning's legacy will explode when people see how he has been making a 4-12 team a 12-4 team for many years. Milkman might even have to begrudgingly admit under his breath that he was wrong.

[milkman]

Sucks for Manning and the Colts but Manning's legacy will explode when people see how he has been making a 4-12 team a 12-4 team for many years. Milkman might even have to begrudgingly admit under his breath that he was wrong.

Why would I admit that?

The only reason Manning is more important to the Colts is that Bill Polian never addressed the backup QB position, and now he would have to pay the price for that.

Kerry Collins is an over the hill scrub.

Not planning and preparing for the potential loss of your starting QB is idiocy, even if it's an iron man.

The Packers always had a backup even while Favre was in the middle of his streak.

[NaptownChief]

Why would I admit that?

The only reason Manning is more important to the Colts is that Bill Polian never addressed the backup QB position, and now he would have to pay the price for that.

Kerry Collins is an over the hill scrub.

Not planning and preparing for the potential loss of your starting QB is idiocy, even if it's an iron man.

The Packers always had a backup even while Favre was in the middle of his streak.

Well if the Patriots are still an 11-5 team with a QB that hadn't started a game since HS and the Colts turnout to be an 5-11 team without Manning I think it will be self-explanatory regardless if you are too proud to swallow the pride.

[Hammock Parties]

Generally at our expense. Bastards.

Before Manning they had like 3 playoff appearances in 20 years.

Back to hell, assholes. :#

[Backwards Masking]

Sucks for Manning and the Colts but Manning's legacy will explode when people see how he has been making a 4-12 team a 12-4 team for many years. Milkman might even have to begrudgingly admit under his breath that he was wrong.

And if they go 10-6 like last year? It'll be because Collins had a much better team with much better coaching, that's what the Peyton lovers will say. Must be nice to have 10 guaranteed indoor games every year, i wonder if he'd have the same numbers playing in a place like Lambeau? Not that we'll ever know, because the league will make sure any cold stadium away games the Colts have on they're schedule get played in Sept like they've been doing his whole 12 year career. Dude hasn't played in one memorable regular season snow game his whole pro career. NOT ONE. Am i the only one that finds that incredibly distrubing? he played two snow games in th post season and got the sh*t kicked out of him twice.

Yeah, yeah, I know Manning apologists, Peyton doesn't control the schedule. But that's my point, whoever does makes sure Manning is NEVER put in a position to play in bad weather, EVER. And that, to me, makes him look like a giant p*ssy when compared to Favre, Brady, Bradshaw etc.. I guess it bothers me that a sure fire Hall Of Famer QB is exempt from playing in snow. Kinda like it bothers me his O Line is exempt from False Start too.

[BigMeatballDave]

Sucks for Manning and the Colts but Manning's legacy will explode when people see how he has been making a 4-12 team a 12-4 team for many years. Milkman might even have to begrudgingly admit under his breath that he was wrong.
Manning is a play off choker. That's a fact.

[Backwards Masking]

Manning is a play off choker. That's a fact.

It's written in stone at this point. Even his Super Bowl run came courtesey of a phantom roughing the passer on 3rd down in the AFC Championship that played a huge part in their winning TD drive.

Yeah, Brady got one of rings after the "tuck rule", but he still won two other Superbowls cleanly and went 16-0 without being pampered on the way to doing it. In my book Tom will always be the better QB of my generation.

[kysirsoze]

It's written in stone at this point. Even his Super Bowl run came courtesey of a phantom roughing the passer on 3rd down in the AFC Championship that played a huge part in their winning TD drive.

Yeah, Brady got one of rings after the "tuck rule", but he still won two other Superbowls cleanly and went 16-0 without being pampered on the way to doing it. In my book Tom will always be the better QB of my generation.

LOL @ Brady not being pampered

[Bearcat]

And if they go 10-6 like last year? It'll be because Collins had a much better team with much better coaching, that's what the Peyton lovers will say. Must be nice to have 10 guaranteed indoor games every year, i wonder if he'd have the same numbers playing in a place like Lambeau? Not that we'll ever know, because the league will make sure any cold stadium away games the Colts have on they're schedule get played in Sept like they've been doing his whole 12 year career. Dude hasn't played in one memorable regular season snow game his whole pro career. NOT ONE. Am i the only one that finds that incredibly distrubing? he played two snow games in th post season and got the sh*t kicked out of him twice.

Yeah, yeah, I know Manning apologists, Peyton doesn't control the schedule. But that's my point, whoever does makes sure Manning is NEVER put in a position to play in bad weather, EVER. And that, to me, makes him look like a giant p*ssy when compared to Favre, Brady, Bradshaw etc.. I guess it bothers me that a sure fire Hall Of Famer QB is exempt from playing in snow. Kinda like it bothers me his O Line is exempt from False Start too.

LMAO :facepalm:

[Backwards Masking]

LOL @ Brady not being pampered

Hey, I never said he wasn't pampered, I said he wasn't during his 3 Glory Seasons, which he wasn't. You see I acknowledged the tuck rule, no?

[Backwards Masking]

LMAO :facepalm:

You laugh at my comments about the schedule makers making sure Peyton never has to play in snow, but when I said he hasn't played in one memorable regular season snow game in his entire 12 year Pro Career, you ignored that part and didnt come up with an example to prove me wrong. There's a reason for that, isn't there?

[Hammock Parties]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/355809/peyton.jpg

[Bewbies]

Has anyone called for a cancellation to the season yet? Has anyone checked on John Madden, first Favre and now Manning? There's no way he still finds life worth living...

[NaptownChief]

Yeah, yeah, I know Manning apologists, Peyton doesn't control the schedule. But that's my point, whoever does makes sure Manning is NEVER put in a position to play in bad weather, EVER. .


What is even more amazing about Manning is while he doesn't have to play in the snow he still manages to get his opposing team to have to endure the bad conditions. He is amazing.

[michaelj_58]

this is good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Backwards Masking]

What is even more amazing about Manning is while he doesn't have to play in the snow he still manages to get his opposing team to have to endure the bad conditions. He is amazing.

Did you see the part where I claimed Manning had never played in one memorable snow game in his 12 year career in same the post you quoted? Where you planning on proving that point wrong? Ooops, no, you were just going to ignore that part, because you know it's true.

[Setsuna]

LMAO Jags are garbage. Playoff hopes dashed. We finally get a chance to win the division and they decide to be retarded. As I said Luck Sweepstakes. Pathetic.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO Jags are garbage. Playoff hopes dashed. We finally get a chance to win the division and they decide to be retarded. As I said Luck Sweepstakes. Pathetic.

I'd LOL if they resigned Garrard.

[Bearcat]

You laugh at my comments about the schedule makers making sure Peyton never has to play in snow, but when I said he hasn't played in one memorable regular season snow game in his entire 12 year Pro Career, you ignored that part and didnt come up with an example to prove me wrong. There's a reason for that, isn't there?

It was a brilliant plan by the NFL, actually.... put the young Manning & the Colts in the AFC South, and schedule division games late in the season. "It's all about division rivalries and fighting for a spot in the playoffs" ....the fans will eat it up. BUT!!!! The real reason is so Peyton Manning can spend his Decembers in Houston and Jacksonville.

Yeah, I'm sure the other AFC SOUTH teams play a bunch of games in NYC and Cleveland and Buffalo in Dec/Jan. :doh!:

And I guess if you want actual games, you can go all the way back to January of 2010 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300103002), or wait a few months when they go to Baltimore & NE in back to back weeks in December.

[NaptownChief]

Did you see the part where I claimed Manning had never played in one memorable snow game in his 12 year career in same the post you quoted? Where you planning on proving that point wrong? Ooops, no, you were just going to ignore that part, because you know it's true.

Brees plays in a dome and I have never seen any bitter fans bust his balls for that.

Even if you want to discount his stats you can still go the W's and L's and he is still one of the best ever there as well.

I don't know about after last season but prior I believe Manning's career post season QB rating was a tick higher than Brady's despite some of you guys wanting to claim he is a playoff choker.

[Bugeater]

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.

[Backwards Masking]

And I guess if you want actual games, you can go all the way back to January of 2010 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300103002), or wait a few months when they go to Baltimore & NE in back to back weeks in December.

Peyton's most memorable snow game was a Week 17 win against the bottom feeding BILLS after homefield advantage already was clinched.

F*cking Epic. I wonder what Unitas would think if the supposed "greatest QB of all time" were to read that? he'd be rolling over in his grave, along with every other peron that actually played the game the way it was meant to be played. OUTDOORS.

I'm seriously contemplating changing your post to my sig.

[WV]

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.

Never underestimate the power of moron.

[kysirsoze]

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.

I'd love if Cassel could someday attain that level of playoff choker.

[Bearcat]

Peyton's most memorable snow game was a Week 17 win against the bottom feeding BILLS after homefield advantage already was clinched.

F*cking Epic. I wonder what Unitas would think if the supposed "greatest QB of all time" were to read that? he'd be rolling over in his grave, along with every other peron that actually played the game the way it was meant to be played. OUTDOORS.

I'm seriously contemplating changing your post to my sig.

For starters, I never said "most memorable"... it was more like most recent.

Second, my original LOL was from: "because the league will make sure any cold stadium away games the Colts have on they're schedule get played in Sept like they've been doing his whole 12 year career," which seemed to be your main point.

So, for it to not be a conspiracy, the league has to schedule a game in a cold weather city in December or January, make sure it snows, and make sure it's memorable? So, it has to be cold enough to snow, but not too late in the season so the game is meaningless, and it has to be against a team that's guaranteed to make the playoffs that year, or else it's just one big conspiracy to make Peyton Manning happy.

Again, with the LMAO :facepalm:

[milkman]

Well if the Patriots are still an 11-5 team with a QB that hadn't started a game since HS and the Colts turnout to be an 5-11 team without Manning I think it will be self-explanatory regardless if you are too proud to swallow the pride.

The Patriots went 11-5 the season after theye went 16-0 in the regular season, a 5 game dropoff.

If the Colts go 5-11 this year after going 10-6 last year, that's a 5 game drop.

So, tell me, what is the point you think you're trying to make?

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.

Did you watch that post season?

[tk13]

This whole thing reminds me of Priest Holmes' neck issues. Everything's so vague and "unpredictable."

[Bugeater]

Did you watch that post season?
Are you really going to go there?

[Backwards Masking]

For starters, I never said "most memorable"... it was more like most recent.

Second, my original LOL was from: "because the league will make sure any cold stadium away games the Colts have on they're schedule get played in Sept like they've been doing his whole 12 year career," which seemed to be your main point.

So, for it to not be a conspiracy, the league has to schedule a game in a cold weather city in December or January, make sure it snows, and make sure it's memorable? So, it has to be cold enough to snow, but not too late in the season so the game is meaningless, and it has to be against a team that's guaranteed to make the playoffs that year, or else it's just one big conspiracy to make Peyton Manning happy.

Again, with the LMAO :facepalm:

You have no idea how worth it it is to get called a conspiracy nut in exchange for getting a Colts fan to admit Peyton's Greatest Snow Game Of His Career was in Week 17 against a 4-11 Buffalo squad after home field advantage was already reached.

You made my day, and my point.

[Backwards Masking]

Did you watch that post season?

No sh*t. What's funny is if you had said Favre was a playoff choke no one would dare try to argue otherwise. In fact, a lot of people on here defending Peyton would not only ignore that statement, some would most likely agree.

[Bearcat]

I've never hoped for a Frankie thread more in my life than right now..... where you at, 159?

Save us all.

[Chiefnj2]

I hope Manning is out of the KC game. Can you imagine how many roughing the passer calls there would be? If someone breathed on his neck it would get a flag. Gotta protect those commercial QBs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Why would I admit that?

The only reason Manning is more important to the Colts is that Bill Polian never addressed the backup QB position, and now he would have to pay the price for that.

Kerry Collins is an over the hill scrub.

Not planning and preparing for the potential loss of your starting QB is idiocy, even if it's an iron man.

The Packers always had a backup even while Favre was in the middle of his streak.

More than that. Regardless of who the QB is, they have a horrendous running game, a bad o-line (Peyton makes them look much better than they actually are), and an average defense whose M.O. has always been "let's create turnovers because we know every team is going to try to win in a shootout." Not to mention... hard to say if the Colts really have a playcaller, given that Peyton has been pretty much calling plays for years. We'll see if Clyde Christenson actually knows how to call a game.

In his early years, yes. Today, apart from his receivers and two outstanding DEs, this team is very average.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Colts | Peyton Manning out for the season?
Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:38:50 -0700

Indianapolis Colts QB Peyton Manning (neck) reportedly underwent another procedure on his neck Sunday, Sept. 4, or Monday, Sept. 5, and will miss the entire 2011 season, according to sources.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1XJfSyvzd

[Backwards Masking]

More than that. Regardless of who the QB is, they have a horrendous running game, a bad o-line (Peyton makes them look much better than they actually are), and an average defense whose M.O. has always been "let's create turnovers because we know every team is going to try to win in a shootout." Not to mention... hard to say if the Colts really have a playcaller, given that Peyton has been pretty much calling plays for years. We'll see if Clyde Christenson actually knows how to call a game.

In his early years, yes. Today, apart from his receivers and two outstanding DEs, this team is very average.

He's a phenomenal Qb, no doubt about that, the second best of the past 10-12 year stretch even.

[milkman]

Are you really going to go there?

Sure.

Why wouldn't I?

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.Google his post-season record.

That SB win had little to do with Manning.

[BigMeatballDave]

Never underestimate the power of moron.lol wut

[Backwards Masking]

I don't know about after last season but prior I believe Manning's career post season QB rating was a tick higher than Brady's despite some of you guys wanting to claim he is a playoff choker.

Mannings playoff QB stats are horrendous, way worse than Brady's even before last season. Didn't he throw 3 TDs and 7 INTs during his Super Bowl run? must've been that medicore line, poor running game and turnover or nothing defense that were REALLY were the keys to that ring...

[KCwolf]

According to ESPN Insider.......

PEYTON MANNING OUT FOR THE SEASON?

So sayeth sports injury expert Will Carroll of Sports Illustrated: "Unless a very good source is flat out lying to me, Manning has not had a procedure since May. Not scheduled now. Possible, waiting on tests."

---

Jake Query of 1260 WNDE radio in Indianapolis reported today that Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning underwent another procedure on his neck earlier this week, and will miss the 2011 season.

ESPN's Adam Schefter had this to say: "One Colts official texted me this: 'We are aware of the rumors, but can't confirm rumors. That is all they are.'"

- Vince Verhei

[MahiMike]

What the hell! I guess since there's finally no Farve gossip, Peyton's full of espionage talk. Driving me crazy.

[Bearcat]

Mannings playoff QB stats are horrendous, way worse than Brady's even before last season. Didn't he throw 3 TDs and 7 INTs during his Super Bowl run? must've been that medicore line, poor running game and turnover or nothing defense that were REALLY were the keys to that ring...

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady..... one is really good in the playoffs. One is horrendous.

Let me know which is which, mkay?


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4



GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
18 395 637 62.0 4108 28 15 85.5

[Brock]

Mannings playoff QB stats are horrendous, way worse than Brady's even before last season. Didn't he throw 3 TDs and 7 INTs during his Super Bowl run? must've been that medicore line, poor running game and turnover or nothing defense that were REALLY were the keys to that ring...

I'm sure I'm not the first to point out you know nothing about football.

[kysirsoze]

How does this...

According to ESPN Insider.......

PEYTON MANNING OUT FOR THE SEASON?

Come from this?...

So sayeth sports injury expert Will Carroll of Sports Illustrated: "Unless a very good source is flat out lying to me, Manning has not had a procedure since May. Not scheduled now. Possible, waiting on tests."

[kysirsoze]

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady..... one is really good in the playoffs. One is horrendous.

Let me know which is which, mkay?


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4



GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
18 395 637 62.0 4108 28 15 85.5

It's a losing battle. Some people are just Manning haters and there's nothing to be done about it. I understand there are some legitimate concerns and I get why many people don't think he's the best ever, but a lot of people are so butthurt about losing to him all the time, they refuse to accept that he's one of the greats.

[Backwards Masking]

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady..... one is really good in the playoffs. One is horrendous.

Let me know which is which, mkay?


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4



GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
18 395 637 62.0 4108 28 15 85.5


Gosh, my mistake - they are much closer than I thought, I honestly couldnt tell you which was which without that W-L stat.

[NJChiefsFan]

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady..... one is really good in the playoffs. One is horrendous.

Let me know which is which, mkay?


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4



GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
18 395 637 62.0 4108 28 15 85.5

Wow, I really am a Manning guy, but I didn't even know it was that close. I would say that stats can be misleading. Who knows what the 'clutch' stats are. I have always loved watching Peyton work, but I won't argue if he is out until week 6.

[Backwards Masking]

I'm sure I'm not the first to point out you know nothing about football.

Hey, overall I admit they were better than I thought, I was wrong about that. But that's the only thing I was wrong about. I guarantee I know more about footall than you do. If you did, you'd occasionally post something arguable and back it up, instead of just dissagreeing with everything.

Maybe one day you'll be capable of proactive thought, but I doubt it. Even if you were, you wouldnt' have the balls to act on it anyway.

[JoeyChuckles]

Gosh, my mistake - they are much closer than I thought, I honestly couldnt tell you which was which without that W-L stat.

A guy admitting he might be wrong? I like him already. And he has almost caught up to me on post count.

[Brock]

Hey, overall I admit they were better than I thought, I was wrong about that. But that's the only thing I was wrong about. I guarantee I know more about footall than you do. If you did, you'd occasionally post something arguable and back it up, instead of just dissagreeing with everything.

Maybe one day you'll be capable of proactive thought, but I doubt it.

LMAO

[Backwards Masking]

LMAO

That' usually what incapable people do when asked to prove themselves - laugh nervously and hope they'll just be left alone.

[milkman]

It's a losing battle. Some people are just Manning haters and there's nothing to be done about it. I understand there are some legitimate concerns and I get why many people don't think he's the best ever, but a lot of people are so butthurt about losing to him all the time, they refuse to accept that he's one of the greats.

I blame Carl, Marty, Dick and Herman fucking Edwards for those playoff losses to Manning and the Colts.

I actually like Peyton Manning, and absolutely think he's one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

What irks me is the myth propogated that he's the greatest ever.

The greatest ever makes big plays in big moments in the games that count the most, and Manning has only done that once in his career, in the '06 playoffs against an already declining Patriot defense.

[NaptownChief]

Gosh, my mistake - they are much closer than I thought,


Very well then...I accept your apology.

[Just Passin' By]

I'm not sure how anyone can brand someone with a Super Bowl ring as a playoff choker.

Perhaps it's because he's 9-10 in the playoffs and has gas-piped it on many occasions.

[Backwards Masking]

Very well then...I accept your apology.

LMAO

I see what you did there....

[rocknrolla]

Unfortunately, I think we have seen the last of Peyton manning on the football field. IMO he is one of the best the NFL has seen on and off the field in quite some time.

[chefsos]

You have no idea how worth it it is to get called a conspiracy nut in exchange for getting a Colts fan to admit Peyton's Greatest Snow Game Of His Career was in Week 17 against a 4-11 Buffalo squad after home field advantage was already reached.

You made my day, and my point.You know, I thought you were full of shit. So I poked around the Colts' schedules. I kind of used Thanksgiving as the arbitrary cutoff point. I don't have a clue whether there was snow or not, or even if it was actually cold for the late season games. So, FWIW:

Away games in cold weather cities 2002-2010, with the current divisional setups:

Before Thanksgiving- 19
After Thanksgiving- 9

If you go back through Manning's entire career (1998-2010) though, its:

Before T-day: 34
After T-day: 15

Not sure I buy into the conspiracy, but the (absolutely unofficial) numbers bear you out, I guess.

[Bugeater]

You know, I thought you were full of shit. So I poked around the Colts' schedules. I kind of used Thanksgiving as the arbitrary cutoff point. I don't have a clue whether there was snow or not, or even if it was actually cold for the late season games. So, FWIW:

Away games in cold weather cities 2002-2010, with the current divisional setups:

Before Thanksgiving- 19
After Thanksgiving- 9

If you go back through Manning's entire career (1998-2010) though, its:

Before T-day: 34
After T-day: 15

Not sure I buy into the conspiracy, but the (absolutely unofficial) numbers bear you out, I guess.
I'm not sure how much that means considering the majority of the NFL regular season is played before Thanksgiving.

[Bearcat]

You know, I thought you were full of shit. So I poked around the Colts' schedules. I kind of used Thanksgiving as the arbitrary cutoff point. I don't have a clue whether there was snow or not, or even if it was actually cold for the late season games. So, FWIW:

Away games in cold weather cities 2002-2010, with the current divisional setups:

Before Thanksgiving- 19
After Thanksgiving- 9

If you go back through Manning's entire career (1998-2010) though, its:

Before T-day: 34
After T-day: 15

Not sure I buy into the conspiracy, but the (absolutely unofficial) numbers bear you out, I guess.

There are generally 11-12 games before Thanksgiving and 4-5 after, so the percentage should be 75%/25% before/after, but it's actually 68/32 and 69/31.... so, no.

[Setsuna]

I'd LOL if they resigned Garrard.

ROFL man I would boycott them at that point, and try to get all my fellow jax citizens to do the same. Can't support an organization after that. They can go to LA with that sh*t.

[kysirsoze]

I blame Carl, Marty, Dick and Herman ****ing Edwards for those playoff losses to Manning and the Colts.

I actually like Peyton Manning, and absolutely think he's one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

What irks me is the myth propogated that he's the greatest ever.

The greatest ever makes big plays in big moments in the games that count the most, and Manning has only done that once in his career, in the '06 playoffs against an already declining Patriot defense.

I would say that he's not the greatest ever because of the points you make here. Still, when he's on I've never seen someone make the throws he can make.

[kysirsoze]

I'm not sure how much that means considering the majority of the NFL regular season is played before Thanksgiving.

There are generally 11-12 games before Thanksgiving and 4-5 after, so the percentage should be 75%/25% before/after, but it's actually 68/32 and 69/31.... so, no.

These, and, as it's already been stated in this thread, division games are played later in the year so he's more likely to be in warm weather cities, especially once they were out of NE's division.

[Backwards Masking]

There are generally 11-12 games before Thanksgiving and 4-5 after, so the percentage should be 75%/25% before/after, but it's actually 68/32 and 69/31.... so, no.

15 Colts games played in Cold Weather Stadiums after Thanksgiving in 12 years (Mannings career). That's 1.25 per year. Anyone who argues that's not below average compared to the rest of the league is admitting to be full of sh*t. Yeah, i know, he plays in a dome, it's only natural, but still... 15 in 12 years....

[Backwards Masking]

These, and, as it's already been stated in this thread, division games are played later in the year so he's more likely to be in warm weather cities, especially once they were out of NE's division.

Must be nice!

[chefsos]

I'm not sure how much that means considering the majority of the NFL regular season is played before Thanksgiving.

There are generally 11-12 games before Thanksgiving and 4-5 after, so the percentage should be 75%/25% before/after, but it's actually 68/32 and 69/31.... so, no.
Yeah, well...yeah.

[kysirsoze]

Must be nice!

I know! I just want to see the magic weather machine the NFL engineered to make Houston and Jacksonville's weather so pleasant! Is there anything they can't do?

[Bugeater]

15 Colts games played in Cold Weather Stadiums after Thanksgiving in 12 years (Mannings career). That's 1.25 per year. Anyone who argues that's not below average compared to the rest of the league is admitting to be full of sh*t. Yeah, i know, he plays in a dome, it's only natural, but still... 15 in 12 years....
You can say shit without censoring it.

shit shit shit shit

See, all the letters are showing. And I won't get banned for it.

[Bugeater]

And I wonder how many outdoor games in cold weather cities Atlanta has played in the same timeframe.

[Backwards Masking]

I know! I just want to see the magic weather machine the NFL engineered to make Houston and Jacksonville's weather so pleasant! Is there anything they can't do?

15 games in Cold Weather Stadiums after thanksgiving in 12 years. a Colts fan admitting his greatest snow game of all time was against the 4-11 Bills while playing for nothing since they were already locked into their seed. I didn't enjoy admitting Peyton was one of the best ever to play the game,
but you guys gave me some serious Anti Peyton ammunition tonight. the tradeoff was well worth it.

He may not be able to control where he plays and when, but you have to admit his stats would not be nearly as high if he played in Foxboro like Brady or Lambeau like Favre. You and all the other Manning fans know it. He's still great, don't get me wrong. But not nearly as great as others.

[Bearcat]

15 Colts games played in Cold Weather Stadiums after Thanksgiving in 12 years (Mannings career). That's 1.25 per year. Anyone who argues that's not below average compared to the rest of the league is admitting to be full of sh*t. Yeah, i know, he plays in a dome, it's only natural, but still... 15 in 12 years....

4 games after Thanksgiving per year... over time it probably averages out to 2 home and 2 away.... so, 1.25/2 (62.5%) in cold weather stadiums and 0.75/2 (37.5%) in warm weather.

That doesn't seem to support your conspiracy, especially considering he plays in the AFC South, and the NFL tends to play divisional games in December.

[kysirsoze]

15 games in Cold Weather Stadiums after thanksgiving in 12 years. a Colts fan admitting his greatest snow game of all time was against the 4-11 Bills while playing for nothing since they were already locked into their seed. I didn't enjoy admitting Peyton was one of the best ever to play the game,
but you guys gave me some serious Anti Peyton ammunition tonight. the tradeoff was well worth it.

He may not be able to control where he plays and when, but you have to admit his stats would not be nearly as high if he played in Foxboro like Brady or Lambeau like Favre. You and all the other Manning fans know it. He's still great, don't get me wrong. But not nearly as great as others.

Yeah, but he might have won more if he was constantly playing with the home field advantage Brady and Favre had. PLUS, most of Peyton's late season games were meaningless, because they win so many goddamn games. MUST BE A CONSPIRACY.

[Backwards Masking]

4 games after Thanksgiving per year... over time it probably averages out to 2 home and 2 away.... so, 1.25/2 (62.5%) in cold weather stadiums and 0.75/2 (37.5%) in warm weather.

That doesn't seem to support your conspiracy, especially considering he plays in the AFC South, and the NFL tends to play divisional games in December.

remember they moved the schedule back a week in 05 or 06 so it;s actually 5 sometimes 6 depending on the year.

and he used to play with the Bills and patriots and jets, before he was conveinently moved in 02. not trying to support a conspiracy just sayin

[kysirsoze]

15 games in Cold Weather Stadiums after thanksgiving in 12 years. a Colts fan admitting his greatest snow game of all time was against the 4-11 Bills while playing for nothing since they were already locked into their seed. I didn't enjoy admitting Peyton was one of the best ever to play the game,
but you guys gave me some serious Anti Peyton ammunition tonight. the tradeoff was well worth it.

He may not be able to control where he plays and when, but you have to admit his stats would not be nearly as high if he played in Foxboro like Brady or Lambeau like Favre. You and all the other Manning fans know it. He's still great, don't get me wrong. But not nearly as great as others.

I forgot to mention.... No one but you said this. Bearcat said that is his most recent, not most memorable or greatest. Also, is Bearcat a Colts fan?

[kysirsoze]

and he used to play with the Bills and patriots and jets, before he was conveinently moved in 02. not trying to support a conspiracy just sayin

If there's a conspiracy, it's to make it easier for the Colts and the Patriots (the two most consistently great AFC teams with the best QBs) to make the playoffs and make the NFL more money.

[tk13]

Are we really saying that the Colts were moved out of the AFC East because they didn't want Manning to play snow games?

[Backwards Masking]

And I wonder how many outdoor games in cold weather cities Atlanta has played in the same timeframe.

id bet my bottom dollar its more than 15. how many post thanksgiving games did Favre and Brady play outdoors in the same time frame?

Qb's are going to put up bigger numbers and complete more passes under a roof than are outdoors. thats a fact.

Mannings a great QB, but I highly doubt he'd have the same numbers playing in Arrowhead.

[Backwards Masking]

Are we really saying that the Colts were moved out of the AFC East because they didn't want Manning to play snow games?

not at all, i AM however saying that Peytons playing conditions (which I've admitted ad nauseum are out of his control) have contributed to better stats than if he had played in an Arrowwhead of Soldier Field all of his career.

I suppose im a conspiracy theorist for saying that too....

[Bearcat]

The Titans number is 4 cold weather stadiums in 6 years... .66/year (away games).

The Pats is 1.42/year over the past several years.

The Pats need to see if they can start playing in the AFC South. :shrug:

[Bearcat]

I forgot to mention.... No one but you said this. Bearcat said that is his most recent, not most memorable or greatest. Also, is Bearcat a Colts fan?

No, just procrastinating.

[Backwards Masking]

The Pats need to see if they can start playing in the AFC South. :shrug:

Can you imagine how much better Brady's #'s and wins would be if they did? Holy crap! :drool: The Manning / Brady argument would never exist at all if that were the case.... not because the East has been stellar (its been as medicore as the South ) but because Brady's already fantastic #'s would be even more fantastic with 9 guaranteed indoor games a year like Manning's benefited from.

[kysirsoze]

not at all, i AM however saying that Peytons playing conditions (which I've admitted ad nauseum are out of his control) have contributed to better stats than if he had played in an Arrowwhead of Soldier Field all of his career.

I suppose im a conspiracy theorist for saying that too....

Nope. You're a conspiracy theorist for saying this...


Yeah, yeah, I know Manning apologists, Peyton doesn't control the schedule. But that's my point, whoever does makes sure Manning is NEVER put in a position to play in bad weather, EVER. And that, to me, makes him look like a giant p*ssy when compared to Favre, Brady, Bradshaw etc.. I guess it bothers me that a sure fire Hall Of Famer QB is exempt from playing in snow. Kinda like it bothers me his O Line is exempt from False Start too.


Or did you forget?

[Bearcat]

Are we really saying that the Colts were moved out of the AFC East because they didn't want Manning to play snow games?

YES!

It was a brilliant plan by the NFL, actually.... put the young Manning & the Colts in the AFC South, and schedule division games late in the season. "It's all about division rivalries and fighting for a spot in the playoffs" ....the fans will eat it up. BUT!!!! The real reason is so Peyton Manning can spend his Decembers in Houston and Jacksonville.

Yeah, I'm sure the other AFC SOUTH teams play a bunch of games in NYC and Cleveland and Buffalo in Dec/Jan. :doh!:

And I guess if you want actual games, you can go all the way back to January of 2010 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300103002), or wait a few months when they go to Baltimore & NE in back to back weeks in December.

[Backwards Masking]

I forgot to mention.... No one but you said this. Bearcat said that is his most recent, not most memorable or greatest. Also, is Bearcat a Colts fan?

Since you're bringing this up without providing a better example yourself, it now serves as yours, in addition to his, best choice as Manning's Greatest Snow Game. You've both had three plus hours to come up with something better, yet you haven't, because you can't.

[Backwards Masking]

Nope. You're a conspiracy theorist for saying this...





Or did you forget?

Paranoid, but not wrong... at the end of the day, they've played 15 cold weather stadiums post Thanksgiving in 12 years. TWELVE YEARS!!!!!

[BigMeatballDave]

It's a losing battle. Some people are just Manning haters and there's nothing to be done about it. I understand there are some legitimate concerns and I get why many people don't think he's the best ever, but a lot of people are so butthurt about losing to him all the time, they refuse to accept that he's one of the greats.
Stupid. This hasn't got shit to do with it.

I call Manning a play off choker because it's what he is.

I don't give a fuck about his stats. Think about how many times he shit himself in the post-season. He's the reason the Saints have a SB win.

[Bugeater]

id bet my bottom dollar its more than 15.
And you'd lose that bet.

Total # of outdoor games in cold weather cities from 1998-2010:

(drum roll...)


7

CONSPIRACY!!!!1

[Frazod]

Stupid. This hasn't got shit to do with it.

I call Manning a play off choker because it's what he is.

I don't give a fuck about his stats. Think about how many times he shit himself in the post-season. He's the reason the Saints have a SB win.

It's even worse if you consider that he had every ref in the league in his fucking pocket, and his offensive linemen were allowed to hold on every play.

[Bearcat]

Paranoid, but not wrong... at the end of the day, they've played 15 cold weather stadiums post Thanksgiving in 12 years. TWELVE YEARS!!!!!

I wonder how many the Chiefs have played.... 20? 30? 40?


15.

[kysirsoze]

Since you're bringing this up without providing a better example yourself, it now serves as yours, in addition to his, best choice as Manning's Greatest Snow Game. You've both had three plus hours to come up with something better, yet you haven't, because you can't.

Well since I'm not a Colts fan, I don't exactly have all their games on instant recall. Regardless, you keep touting that like anyone in this thread made that claim. No one has. That makes you look ridiculous.

[chefsos]

Paranoid, but not wrong... at the end of the day, they've played 15 cold weather stadiums post Thanksgiving in 12 years. TWELVE YEARS!!!!!13, actually.

LOAD THAT AMMO!!

[kysirsoze]

I wonder how many the Chiefs have played.... 20? 30? 40?


15.

Good lord. He still won't give this up.

[Backwards Masking]

II don't give a **** about his stats. Think about how many times he shit himself in the post-season. He's the reason the Saints have a SB win.

But, but, but stats are what you measure a QB by. It's not his fault he plays 9-12 indoor games a year, besides weather doesnt affect the way players throw and catch a football. His stats would be just as high if he'd spent the last 12 years playing in Lambeau, maybe higher, cause he's the best of all time with his one ring/ Manning Lovers.

[Backwards Masking]

Well since I'm not a Colts fan, I don't exactly have all their games on instant recall. Regardless, you keep touting that like anyone in this thread made that claim. No one has. That makes you look ridiculous.

No one's denied it either. That makes talk of Manning being the Best Ever look far more ridiculous.

[Bearcat]

But, but, but stats are what you measure a QB by. It's not his fault he plays 9-12 indoor games a year, besides weather doesnt affect the way players throw and catch a football. His stats would be just as high if he'd spent the last 12 years playing in Lambeau, maybe higher, cause he's the best of all time with his one ring/ Manning Lovers.

How many voices are in there? LMAO

I'd like to see all the quotes from people saying these things... oh wait, you're just arguing with yourself at this point. :facepalm:

[Backwards Masking]

I wonder how many the Chiefs have played.... 20? 30? 40?


15.

You're not counting home games, are you?

[Bugeater]

He's the reason the Saints have a SB win.
LMAO Yeah, because there's no way the Saints would've beat any other team from the AFC that year.

[Bearcat]

You're not counting home games, are you?

Why would I?

[Backwards Masking]

How many voices are in there? LMAO

I'd like to see all the quotes from people saying these things... oh wait, you're just arguing with yourself at this point. :facepalm:

at least i include Arrowhead on my list of Cold Weather Stadiums, espeically post Thanksgiving. That's grounds for getting banned from the stadium as far as I'm concerned.

[milkman]

LMAO Yeah, because there's no way the Saints would've beat any other team from the AFC that year.

That isn't what he's saying.

[Backwards Masking]

Why would I?

because it counts as a cold weather stadium, i figured everyone knew Mannings post thanksgiving home games were played indoors, apparently not.

[Bugeater]

That isn't what he's saying.
What is he saying then? The Saints would very likely still have a SB win had they played a different team.

[Bugeater]

And fuck that Brett Favre guy. Because of him the Saints played in a Super Bowl.

[Backwards Masking]

What is he saying then? The Saints would very likely still have a SB win had they played a different team.

They wouldnt have if Minny hadnt turned the ball over 5 times. If they'd have only turned it over twice they'd have beat NO by at least 2 Tds and probably won the SB over the Colts. That team was stacked with talent.

[Backwards Masking]

And **** that Brett Favre guy. Because of him the Saints played in a Super Bowl.

Favre wasn't without fault, but I feel AP's lost fumble inside the 10 before half was what killed their chances that game. Great game though, it definitely lived up to the term, NFC Championship.

[Bugeater]

They wouldnt have if Minny hadnt turned the ball over 5 times. If they'd have only turned it over twice they'd have beat NO by at least 2 Tds and probably won the SB over the Colts. That team was stacked with talent.
JFC, don't go down that road. You can 'if' and 'but' your way to invalidating any team's Super Bowl win if you dig deep enough.

[Backwards Masking]

JFC, don't go down that road. You can 'if' and 'but' your way to invalidating any team's Super Bowl win if you dig deep enough.

sheesh, you think i was "invalidating" NO's SB with that post? really? they won it fair and sqaure, they're definitely the 09 champs. i Do think Minny was the better team though, by far, but they shot themselves in the foot and deserved to lose.

You gonna argue they wouldnt have won without the turnovers?

[KCwolf]

How does this...



Come from this?...

That's ESPN Insider Brotha ..... Quite the service eh?

[milkman]

What is he saying then? The Saints would very likely still have a SB win had they played a different team.

Reggie Wayne took a lot of heat for Peyton Manning's interception, but the fact is, Tracy Porter had Wayne's outside shoulder, and Manning made a bad read when he was rushed.

Because Porter had the outside shoulder, Wayne did what he should do and turned inside.

Manning threw to the outside.

Easy pick 6 with the game in the balance and less than 5 minutes to go.

[Bugeater]

sheesh, you think i was "invalidating" NO's SB with that post? really? they won it fair and sqaure, they're definitely the 09 champs. i Do think Minny was the better team though, by far, but they shot themselves in the foot and deserved to lose.

You gonna argue they wouldnt have won without the turnovers?
Yeah, you seemed to be implying that the SB win was handed to them.

[Bugeater]

Reggie Wayne took a lot of heat for Peyton Manning's interception, but the fact is, Tracy Porter had Wayne's outside shoulder, and Manning made a bad read when he was rushed.

Because Porter had the outside shoulder, Wayne did what he should do and turned inside.

Manning threw to the outside.

Easy pick 6 with the game in the balance and less than 5 minutes to go.
And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

[BigMeatballDave]

What is he saying then? The Saints would very likely still have a SB win had they played a different team.I'm talking about Manning shitting himself by throwing the pick-6.

[BigMeatballDave]

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.Well, sure. But it seems to happen to Manning a lot in the play offs.

[Bugeater]

I'm talking about Manning shitting himself by throwing the pick-6.
Well I'm saying that's a pretty stupid reason to hate Manning.

[milkman]

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

And it does.

But this isn't just any QB.

This is Peyton Manning, ostensibly the greatest QB ever, and yet a QB who fails to make big plays in the biggest moments, consistently.

[BigMeatballDave]

Well I'm saying that's a pretty stupid reason to hate Manning.I don't hate him. I just think he's a playoff choker.

[Just Passin' By]

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

Any QB could choke the game killing pick-6 in a Super Bowl, that's true. But Manning was the one who managed to actually do it.

Congrats to him for choking horrendously in the big game. If that had been the first time he'd crapped out in the playoffs, he wouldn't have already had the label of choker before finally winning his gift SB.

9-10

[Bugeater]

And it does.

But this isn't just any QB.

This is Peyton Manning, ostensibly the greatest QB ever, and yet a QB who fails to make big plays in the biggest moments, consistently.
Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

[Backwards Masking]

Yeah, you seemed to be implying that the SB win was handed to them.

by saying Minny would've killed them without the turnovers in the PREVIOUS game?

[Bugeater]

Any QB could choke the game killing pick-6 in a Super Bowl, that's true. But Manning was the one who managed to actually do it.

Congrats to him for choking horrendously in the big game. If that had been the first time he'd crapped out in the playoffs, he wouldn't have already had the label of choker before finally winning his gift SB.

9-10
You know what the Chiefs' QB records are in the playoffs in the same time frame?

0-3

That makes that 9-10 looked pretty fucking attractive.

[Bugeater]

by saying Minny would've killed them without the turnovers in the PREVIOUS game?
Well yeah, they had to win that game to get to the Super Bowl.

[Just Passin' By]

You know what the Chiefs' QB records are in the playoffs in the same time frame?

0-3

That makes that 9-10 looked pretty ****ing attractive.

One has nothing to do with the other. Manning's a choker in the playoffs, regardless of the Chiefs recent playoff record.

[Backwards Masking]

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

It's not irrational to hate someone that beats the Chiefs so many times. it's irrational to NOT hate him.

I agree I'd take him over Cassel for sure though, can't argue that.

[listopencil]

I would say that he's not the greatest ever because of the points you make here. Still, when he's on I've never seen someone make the throws he can make.


I'd say the greatest thing about Peyton Manning is his set of mental skills. He can get flustered into a bad throw here and there but it rarely happens. He's usually right on the money and he's deadly accurate in calling his audibles. It's like having an OC play the QB position. I wouldn't say he's the greatest Quarterback ever. There have been too many great ones. But he's in that category and deserves to looked at as one of the best ever.

[Bugeater]

One has nothing to do with the other. Manning's a choker in the playoffs, regardless of the Chiefs recent playoff record.
No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty fucking comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

[Backwards Masking]

I'd say the greatest thing about Peyton Manning is his set of mental skills. He can get flustered into a bad throw here and there but it rarely happens. He's usually right on the money and he's deadly accurate in calling his audibles. It's like having an OC play the QB position. I wouldn't say he's the greatest Quarterback ever. There have been too many great ones. But he's in that category and deserves to looked at as one of the best ever.

This sums him up as a Quarterback almost perfectly.

I'm still going to point out he's never played in a memorable snow game and has only had to play a total of 15 post thanksgiving cold weather stadiums in 13 years to all his fans constantly now though. LMAO

[Bugeater]

This sums him up as a Quarterback almost perfectly.

I'm still going to point out he's never played in a memorable snow game and has only had to play a total of 15 post thanksgiving cold weather stadiums in 13 years to all his fans constantly now though. LMAO
Why is this snow game thing the measuring stick for you? There really aren't that many games playing during snowstorms each year. How many memorable snow games did Joe Montana play in?

[kysirsoze]

This sums him up as a Quarterback almost perfectly.

I'm still going to point out he's never played in a memorable snow game and has only had to play a total of 15 post thanksgiving cold weather stadiums in 13 years to all his fans constantly now though. LMAO

Jesus Christ. If there was a Colts fan on this board, I'm sure they could refute that, but let's just say he hasn't. What a stupid fucking measure of greatness. As I said before, most of his December games are unimportant because they win so many fucking regular season games. That's not any kind of knock on Manning. It's just an arbitrary point you've chosen to hang your hat on because you've been owned in this thread.

[Backwards Masking]

Why is this snow game thing the measuring stick for you? There really aren't that many games playing during snowstorms each year. How many memorable snow games did Joe Montana play in?

Im old school in my thinking and believe football is an outdoor game and should be played outdoors. It's far from a measuring stick, just a curiousity. Although I believe Mannings #'s are much better from the benefit of the dome. As will be all dome Qb's. It's out of their control sure, but I believe it's a curb that should be taken into consideration at least slightly when grading the All Time Greats and having the Best Ever Talks. It IS an advantage over an entire career, not in wins, no, but in numbers for sure.

[kysirsoze]

Im old school in my thinking and believe football is an outdoor game and should be played outdoors. It's far from a measuring stick, just a curiousity. Although I believe Mannings #'s are much better from the benefit of the dome. As will be all dome Qb's. It's out of their control sure, but I believe it's a curb that should be taken into consideration at least slightly when grading the All Time Greats and having the Best Ever Talks. It IS an advantage over an entire career, not in wins, no, but in numbers for sure.

In fact you could argue it's a disadvantage for wins since when he does have to travel to cold weather during the playoffs, he doesn't have the experience of a Brady or Favre.

[Just Passin' By]

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

Again, this has nothing to do with Manning being a playoff choker. He's 9-10. Take a look at where his winning percentage puts him among the game's elite QBs. He's a choking dog, and I'm not a Chiefs fan.

[Backwards Masking]

Jesus Christ. If there was a Colts fan on this board, I'm sure they could refute that, but let's just say he hasn't. What a stupid ****ing measure of greatness. As I said before, most of his December games are unimportant because they win so many ****ing regular season games. That's not any kind of knock on Manning. It's just an arbitrary point you've chosen to hang your hat on because you've been owned in this thread.

I was just kidding around, it's a fun new stat for me to throw into the Manning argument when it comes up, that's all.

What makes it so much is how much it pisses off the Manning Lickers like you who Freak Out and hit the ceiling just by saying it IN THE SAME POST I admit he's great. try getting a sense of humor, I'm a Chiefs fan and I like putting down Peyton, what's the big deal?

[Bugeater]

Again, this has nothing to do with Manning being a playoff choker. He's 9-10. Take a look at where his winning percentage puts him among the game's elite QBs. He's a choking dog, and I'm not a Chiefs fan.
Well you're entitled to your opinion, but if that's how you feel don't ever let me catch you dropping the "bad calls are part of football and you have to play through them" line that I hear so often. And I know you're not a Chiefs fan, but the majority of those who are placing that label on him are.

[milkman]

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.

[Bugeater]

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.
Well I'd point out the fact that Manning, unlike Marty, actually won a Super Bowl, and made it to another, but apparently those don't count.

[Bearcat]

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4


Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots. ;)

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.

[BigMeatballDave]

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.You may be the only person that hates Marty more than I do.

[milkman]

Well I'd point out the fact that Manning, unlike Marty, actually won a Super Bowl, and made it to another, but apparently those don't count.

I'd point out the fact that Manning tried to give two playoff games away in that post season, including one to a hapless Chiefs team, and that his teamamtes carried him to victories in those two games.

He did have that one big moment, big play against the Patriots, finally, in that post season, and then simply had to outplay Rex Grossman.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...


GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
19 453 718 63.1% 5389 29 19 88.4


Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots. ;)

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.I really don't care about the numbers. What's real is the times he's shit himself. The numbers don't show that. Well, I suppose that 9-10 record does. :)

[Just Passin' By]

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but if that's how you feel don't ever let me catch you dropping the "bad calls are part of football and you have to play through them" line that I hear so often. And I know you're not a Chiefs fan, but the majority of those who are placing that label on him are.

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

[kysirsoze]

I'd point out the fact that Manning tried to give two playoff games away in that post season, including one to a hapless Chiefs team, and that his teamamtes carried him to victories in those two games.

He did have that one big moment, big play against the Patriots, finally, in that post season, and then simply had to outplay Rex Grossman.

That's one way to put it. Another is that, instead his usual of keeping his team in it despite a poor defense, that time around he stepped up when needed and made the plays to get them to the SB. Then he had to outplay the Bears defense.

[Bugeater]

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.
Ok, you win. He sucks.

[GordonGekko]

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

I guess the summation here is Terry Bradshaw is better at QB than Peyton Manning.. . . . and Bradshaw is > Steve Young.