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el borracho
09-13-2011, 07:49 PM
While I am not conceding the entire 2011 season, I would still say it is obvious that there is room for improvement. Looking forward to 2012, please select two of the four choices to build your franchise.

Poll forthcoming.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 07:49 PM
in for poll

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 07:50 PM
Fuck 'em all.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 07:51 PM
I'm not playing this game, El Borracho. I HATE EVERYTHING FUCK THIS SHIT

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-13-2011, 07:52 PM
Haley and pioli

CrazyPhuD
09-13-2011, 07:52 PM
Muir and Cassel of course.....

KCrockaholic
09-13-2011, 07:53 PM
This is kind of an obvious one. Pioli has rings. Haley has passion and a fire. Not to mention he's gotten the most out of Bowe, Derrick Johnson, and you could even say Jamaal Charles.

Cassel sucks, and should have never been brought into the league.

Muir falls asleep during games.

Who would you take?

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 07:53 PM
You morons do realize that Pioli is the reason the other three losers are here, right?

Crush
09-13-2011, 07:54 PM
Where's the "none of the above" option?

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 07:54 PM
You morons do realize that Pioli is the reason the other three losers are here, right?

Why are you so negative after one game?

It's one game. There are 15 left to play.

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-13-2011, 07:54 PM
LMAOYou morons do realize that Pioli is the reason the other three losers are here, right?

Chiefnj2
09-13-2011, 07:55 PM
Cassel as a backup QB and Muir as an assistant OL coach.

Crush
09-13-2011, 07:57 PM
Why are you so negative after one game?

It's one game. There are 15 left to play.

Because we have to live through that "one game" 15 more fucking times!

el borracho
09-13-2011, 07:57 PM
I'm not playing this game, El Borracho. I HATE EVERYTHING **** THIS SHIT

It could be that you are taking football too seriously. While I can't say I was pleased at all with Sunday's performance, I can tell you that every team loses at some point in the season.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 07:58 PM
Because we have to live through that "one game" 15 more ****ing times!

Look, I get that the Chiefs looked like shit and lost Berry for the season. Not a good way to start the season.

But that doesn't mean other other guys won't step up and perform at an okay level.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:00 PM
Look, I get that the Chiefs looked like shit and lost Berry for the season. Not a good way to start the season.

But that doesn't mean other other guys won't step up and perform at an okay level.

Dude, the Bills game was our "easiest" game on the entire schedule. It can only get worse.

chasedude
09-13-2011, 08:01 PM
Where's the "none of the above" option?

This, Poll Fail!

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:02 PM
Dude, the Bills game was our "easiest" game on the entire schedule. It can only get worse.

The Saints lost to the Cleveland Browns in New Orleans. The New England Patriots lost to an 0-2 Miami Dolphins team that went 1-15 the previous season.

Shit happens.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:03 PM
Also, at least the Rams have a franchise QB in Bradford. We have a POS, a 80's porn producer, and a guy with potential that will never see the field as our QBs.

Frazod
09-13-2011, 08:04 PM
Where's the "none of the above" option?

I was wondering about the "death" option.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 08:04 PM
It could be that you are taking football too seriously. While I can't say I was pleased at all with Sunday's performance, I can tell you that every team loses at some point in the season.

http://i41.tinypic.com/erhqns.jpg

that is my feeling right now

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:04 PM
Also, at least the Rams have a franchise QB in Bradford. We have a POS, a 80's porn producer, and a guy with potential that will never see the field as our QBs.

Stanzi is a 5th round pick. People setting high expectations for him are a little too optimistic, I think.

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:04 PM
Why are you so negative after one game?

It's one game. There are 15 left to play.
I'm not being negative, I'm just pointing out a fact.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:06 PM
This is kind of an obvious one. Pioli has rings. Haley has passion and a fire. Not to mention he's gotten the most out of Bowe, Derrick Johnson, and you could even say Jamaal Charles.

Cassel sucks, and should have never been brought into the league.

Muir falls asleep during games.

Who would you take?

Pioli and Haley. I haven't liked everything that Pioli has done (Cassell, McCluster, Arenas, for example) but he does seem to recognize both need and talent (Berry, Moeaki, Houston). Haven't agreed with all of Haley's decisions either but he has had some success in the league and I do like his gambler's approach in certain areas (4th down, for example).

On the flip side, you have a guy at the most important position on the field who didn't even start in college and a guy who has been in the league for decades and didn't manage to advance. And both of those guys seem to share a huge portion of the responsibility in Sunday's blowout.

Seems obvious to me, but I see some people calling for everyone's head (not likely, IMO). More likely is that some of these guys will be here next year, and some will not. Just wondering what others think.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 08:06 PM
Stanzi is a 5th round pick. People setting high expectations for him are a little too optimistic, I think.

Honestly his Cieling is > cassels. Hes shown much more natural QBing when hes played. He can actually hit the receivers in stride

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:07 PM
You morons do realize that Pioli is the reason the other three losers are here, right?

Cassell and Haley?- sure. Muir?- I don't know. Was Muir Pioli's selection or was he Haley's selection?

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:07 PM
I'm not being negative, I'm just pointing out a fact.

This

At this point, you can either laugh or go crazy. The masochist in me is looking forward to the rest of the season.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:07 PM
Honestly his Cieling is > cassels. Hes shown much more natural QBing when hes played. He can actually hit the receivers in stride

I wouldn't disagree with that statement. I would disagree with people saying he'd be a better option at QB right now than Cassel.

ReynardMuldrake
09-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Stanzi is a 5th round pick. People setting high expectations for him are a little too optimistic, I think.

He's tremendously talented. Too soon to say if he will be successful, obviously, but there is real reason to be optimistic there.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Where's the "none of the above" option?

I doubt that is a realistic option. Anyway, are you honestly that disenfranchised with all of them? Who would you keep?

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:09 PM
I wouldn't disagree with that statement. I would disagree with people saying he'd be a better option at QB right now than Cassel.

Did you see Cassel play on Sunday?

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:09 PM
He's tremendously talented. Too soon to say if he will be successful, obviously, but there is real reason to be optimistic there.

Don't you think people saying Stanzi would be a better option at QB right now are a little down on Cassel?

Cassel wasn't the only player that failed Sunday. There were 10 other starters who performed just as bad as Cassel did.

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:10 PM
Cassell and Haley?- sure. Muir?- I don't know. Was Muir Pioli's selection or was he Haley's selection?
Either way, Haley was brought in by Pioli. This entire clusterfuck falls on his shoulders.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:11 PM
I doubt that is a realistic option. Anyway, are you honestly that disenfranchised with all of them? Who would you keep?

If I had to choose, Pioli. Just so we could try him at The Hague for forcing Cassel down our throats in the first place.

Dave Lane
09-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Why are you so negative after one game?

It's one game. There are 15 left to play.

He's from Nebraska

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:12 PM
Either way, Haley was brought in by Pioli. This entire cluster**** falls on his shoulders.

Haley is going to be gone before Pioli is. The GM 9 times out of 10 keeps his job while the HC loses his.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:12 PM
Don't you think people saying Stanzi would be a better option at QB right now are a little down on Cassel?

Cassel wasn't the only player that failed Sunday. There were 10 other starters who performed just as bad as Cassel did.

If Cassel wasn't such a no-talent ass clown, the Chiefs probably squeak out the win.

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:13 PM
Haley is going to be gone before Pioli is. The GM 9 times out of 10 keeps his job while the HC loses his.
Oh yeah, I know. I'm just sick of everyone putting Pioli on a goddamn pedestal because Tom Brady won 3 rings for him.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:15 PM
Oh yeah, I know. I'm just sick of everyone putting Pioli on a goddamn pedestal because Tom Brady won 3 rings for him.

Exactly.

There's plenty of blame to go all around. And not all of it should be on Haley and Cassel.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:17 PM
Exactly.

There's plenty of blame to go all around. And not all of it should be on Haley and Cassel.

Actually, Cassel should get most of the blame because it is his job to make the rest of the team better.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 08:17 PM
True rams fan, you can blame the other guys also for sure. But I feel like we have a lot of offensive talent on this team, and if we had someone like Bradford we would be going to the super bowl, JMO. QB with a successful offense changes the game when defense cant do it. reference the 03 season. Our D is 100000000x better than that one

Messier
09-13-2011, 08:17 PM
Either way, Haley was brought in by Pioli. This entire cluster**** falls on his shoulders.

Pioli will last though another coach, and if that doesn't work probably another after that.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:18 PM
Actually, Cassel should get most of the blame because it is his job to make the rest of the team better.

It's also the defense's job to not give up 41 points. It's also the punter's job not to have 25 yard punts. It's also the running back's job not to fumble.

Jewish Rabbi
09-13-2011, 08:18 PM
Marty as GM and Herm as HC.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:19 PM
Haley is going to be gone before Pioli is. The GM 9 times out of 10 keeps his job while the HC loses his.

yeppers peppers. Carl lived through multiple questionable hirings. I'm thinking Pioli gets the same. Heck, I'm not even sure Haley would be on the hot seat this season for any reason short of 3-13 or worse.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:20 PM
If Cassel wasn't such a no-talent ass clown, the Chiefs probably squeak out the win.

Squeak what? 40 more points? I am a huge Cassell basher but that is crazy talk.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:21 PM
It's also the defense's job to not give up 41 points. It's also the punter's job not to have 25 yard punts. It's also the running back's job not to fumble.

The defense's job becomes easier if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock. The punter does not go on the field if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock. The team bounces back from the fumble if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:21 PM
yeppers peppers. Carl lived through multiple questionable hirings. I'm thinking Pioli gets the same. Heck, I'm not even sure Haley would be on the hot seat this season for any reason short of 3-13 or worse.

Haley shouldn't be on the hot seat until next season, at least. If there a lot of injuries, Pioli may give Haley a mulligan. If the team isn't winning next season, Haley is probably going to be gone.

Rams Fan
09-13-2011, 08:22 PM
The defense's job becomes easier if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock. The punter does not go on the field if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock. The team bounces back from the fumble if the QB is able to sustain drives and run down the clock.

Were there a lot of passes dropped Sunday by the Chiefs WRs?

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:22 PM
Pioli will last though another coach, and if that doesn't work probably another after that.
While that's true, it's not going to be because he has earned it.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:23 PM
Oh yeah, I know. I'm just sick of everyone putting Pioli on a goddamn pedestal because Tom Brady won 3 rings for him.

2009 was a mess, as was the 2nd round of the 2010 draft and most likely the Muir as OC experiment (although I'm not sure that was Pioli's decision). Everything else looks reasonably legit. Or is there more? I guess one could complain about the unused cap room but I've never been a "sign everybody" guy.

Shogun
09-13-2011, 08:23 PM
Were there a lot of passes dropped Sunday by the Chiefs WRs?

eh not really. just a lot of shitty passes

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:25 PM
Were there a lot of passes dropped Sunday by the Chiefs WRs?

As Shogun has already said, no. Cassel just lacks the ability to accurately throw it farther than five yards.

Messier
09-13-2011, 08:25 PM
yeppers peppers. Carl lived through multiple questionable hirings. I'm thinking Pioli gets the same. Heck, I'm not even sure Haley would be on the hot seat this season for any reason short of 3-13 or worse.

I think Haley could be in real trouble, even without a complete collapse.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Marty as GM and Herm as HC.

I actually always liked Marty. Chargers would probably have some Super Bowls if they hadn't fired Marty and/ or let Brees go. Not sure I would want him as a GM, however.

Herm on the other hand, was a disease laid upon us.

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:27 PM
2009 was a mess, as was the 2nd round of the 2010 draft and most likely the Muir as OC experiment (although I'm not sure that was Pioli's decision). Everything else looks reasonably legit. Or is there more? I guess one could complain about the unused cap room but I've never been a "sign everybody" guy.
Well I'm not going to overlook the mess that was 2009, the 20-time executive of the fucking millennium never should have screwed it up so badly. Most of the problems we're having right now are a direct result of the shitty decisions he made that year.

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:27 PM
I think Haley could be in real trouble, even without a complete collapse.

Really? What makes you think so?

Shogun
09-13-2011, 08:28 PM
I think Haley could be in real trouble, even without a complete collapse.

No

el borracho
09-13-2011, 08:30 PM
Well I'm not going to overlook the mess that was 2009, the 20-time executive of the ****ing millennium never should have screwed it up so badly. Most of the problems we're having right now are a direct result of the shitty decisions he made that year.

While I can't pretend it didn't happen, I would be willing to forgive Pioli if he continues to make good decisions in the future. I will, however, be severely pissed if we pass on another franchise QB in the draft. (Not saying Pioli has done that, just saying that is unforgivable).

Messier
09-13-2011, 08:31 PM
While that's true, it's not going to be because he has earned it.

Not if he's three coaches in, in 7 years or so. I like Pioli, and I think he'll end up successful here.

Crush
09-13-2011, 08:32 PM
Well I'm not going to overlook the mess that was 2009, the 20-time executive of the fucking millennium never should have screwed it up so badly. Most of the problems we're having right now are a direct result of the shitty decisions he made that year.

I agree. I have already seen enough of the "Patriot Way" and the "Plan." If Mo Lewis doesn't kill Drew Bledsoe, then BB is probably looking for work by 2003.

Messier
09-13-2011, 08:33 PM
Really? What makes you think so?

I don't think Pioli likes him much.

TimeForWasp
09-13-2011, 08:33 PM
Look, I get that the Chiefs looked like shit and lost Berry for the season. Not a good way to start the season.

But that doesn't mean other other guys won't step up and perform at an okay level.

Kind of ironic, Rams Fan picking up my spirits on the Chiefs. I'm on board. Go Chiefs.

Curious what or who they have in mind to make up for the loss of Moeaki and Berry. I'm thinking they will come up with something. We may not go far, but may still be good enough to be exciting to watch.

Bugeater
09-13-2011, 08:37 PM
Not if he's three coaches in, in 7 years or so. I like Pioli, and I think he'll end up successful here.
You like him for what? Because of what happened in New England? Sorry, but that doesn't mean dick to me, and it shouldn't for any other Chiefs fan. I'm going to reserve judgment for what he does for Kansas City, and he's not off to a very good start.

Mr. Laz
09-13-2011, 09:00 PM
I refuse to pick a 2nd


Pioli and move on

BigMeatballDave
09-13-2011, 10:41 PM
I refuse to pick a 2nd


Pioli and move onAwww, come on. Pick Cassel.. You know you want to.

007
09-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Where's the "none of the above" option?
this

I didn't want Haley. I didn't want Cassel. Yet, I wanted the guy that is responsible for bringing in both of those idiots.

At this point I'd just as soon they all leave.

T-post Tom
09-13-2011, 10:54 PM
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NJChiefsFan
09-14-2011, 01:22 AM
I wouldn't disagree with that statement. I would disagree with people saying he'd be a better option at QB right now than Cassel.

I don't think its really that he helps the team win more RIGHT now. I think those that want him now just feel its a waste not seeing what he has. I personally think you have to give him time to learn the offense.

If the Chiefs are out by mid-season or whatever, why not. If we are looking at a 10-16 draft pick might want to see what he has. If its a top 5 pick, might have to take a QB no matter what.

Chiefnj2
09-14-2011, 05:27 AM
Why in the world would people want to keep Pioli? 99.9% of the board thinks Pioli is solely responsible for acquiring and forcing his head coach to play Cassel. Why keep a GM who can't evaluate QB's and who interferes with his head coach more than Snyder and Jones?

Steron
09-14-2011, 07:10 AM
I'm not sure who is to blame for the lack of free agents brought in this off season. Is it Clark or Scott? I can't imagine a coach not wanting to bring people in. With 30 million bucks to spend we bought in very little. It's a serious problem but not the only problem.

Haley is junk. I just don't think he has what it takes to be an NFL Head Coach. It pains me to say this, but I want Gruden.

suds79
09-14-2011, 07:16 AM
Wow talk about some rough options.

I suppose I went Pioli & Haley as they're the lesser of two evils.

No franchise should have Matt Cassel as a QB and Bill Muhr just takes up space sleeping.


But Haley & Pioli are not much better.

Haley has created this atmosphere where Matt Cassel is working with a different OC every year. Nobody can get along with this guy.

And genius Scott Pioli is responsible for the disaster of a draft in his first year here and Matt Cassel. Nuff said.