Just Say No To “Suck For Luck”

[Hammock Parties]

:facepalm:

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/09/24/just-say-no-to-suck-for-luck/#more-30069

YES – the Chiefs have been worse than bad the first two games of the years. YES – Todd Haley appears vastly underprepared. YES – Matt Cassel has played worse than some rookie quarterbacks. Despite all these truths through two weeks, there is one thing that the Kansas City Chiefs should not do, and that is “Suck For Luck”.

This “Suck For Luck” talk is pure nonsense in its truest form. I know there are lots of you that want Todd Haley gone, and believe me he will be gone if the Chiefs have the first overall pick in next years draft. But before we all jump on the fire Haley bandwagon there are a few things we all need to take into consideration.

After the 2008 season when Pioli took over as GM he could have had his choice of any coach available coach solely based on his reputation. What did Pioli do though? He still choose Haley. If you recall Pioli took so much time in this decision that there were speculations about Herm Edwards being brought back. Pioli waited until after the Super Bowl to announce Haley as the Head Coach.

So here is the deal, if Chiefs fans want Luck, they have to deal with the consequences of losing Todd Haley and the subsequent hiring fiasco that Pioli will be orcastrating.

Most of the fire Haley supporters are pointing out that Bill Cowher and John Gruden are available. I’m sorry you crazies but those two will not be the next Chiefs Head Coach. You see, Pioli is much like previous GM Carl Peterson in the sense that he likes to have people he is familiar with surrounding him.

Scott Pioli is so enamored with the accomplishments of the Patriots that anyone having anything to do with the organization has a head up over any other potential candidate, that goes for players and coaches alike.
So with Cowher and Gruden out the realistic Head Coach candidates become Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, and maybe Kirk Ferentz, Pioli’s best friend. All of these coaches are head and shoulders better than Todd Haley, right?
I don’t know the answer to that question, and I won’t even pretend to. One things I do know is that this team will be better in the long run if we don’t “Suck for Luck.”

While the Chiefs looked completely out of sorts, unorganized, and unmotivated in the first two games of the season they are not as bad as the scores of those games make them out to be. This is the same team that went 10-6 last season. Even without three of our rising stars (Berry, Charles, & Moeaki) I see the Chiefs beating both Minnesota and Indianapolis, which will have us at 2-3 going into the bye. After the start to this season I would be thrilled with 2-3 at the bye.

As far as the butt kicking we took from the Bills and Lions, lets just wait and see how good they are week 17. Buffalo is 2-0 on the season, with both wins coming against the AFC West. The Bills still play the Chargers and Broncos as well. The Lions also play each of the other three teams in our division, so let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves and let’s hold our judgment until those games happen.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t be embarrassed, because we absolutely should be. But this whole “Suck for Luck” state of mind has got to go. “Suck for Luck” shows a complete lack of heart by fans who are giving up on a team after only two weeks of a 17 week season.

“Suck for Luck” fans believe that Andrew Luck will be a “Franchise Quarterback” and instantly turn all the Chiefs woes around and lead us to multiple Superbowls. But let’s talk about ” Franchise Quarterbacks” for a second.

There are only five “Franchise Quarterbacks” currently in the NFL and of that group only two of them (Manning & Rivers) were top-10 picks. Hell, Brady and Brees weren’t even first rounders. It took Manning eight seasons to win a championship. Guys like Dan Marino and Warren Moon never won a Superbowl. So what make anyone think “Suck for Luck” is going to bring a championship to Kansas City?

What will help this team get a championship, most likely in future seasons, is a strong and committed fan base that does not jump ship after two weeks. So stand up Chiefs Nation, let this team know that while they have disappointed us we still believe there is time to right this ship. While the odds are against an 0-2 team making the playoffs that doesn’t mean that Chiefs players and fans should give up.

So what do you say Chiefs Nation? Are you on the “Suck for Luck” band wagon or will you be like me, cheering your heart out every Sunday in hopes that these players and coaches show some grit and determination to turn this thing around. I don’t expect a Superbowl run, probably not even a playoff run, but I do expected to see competitive football for the final 15 weeks of the season.

[Messier]

Can we try it and see what happens? It'd be nice to have a blue chip QB.

[BryanBusby]

Whoever wrote that "article" should seriously consider sepukku

[pr_capone]

Can we try it and see what happens? It'd be nice to have a blue chip QB.
LMAO

[Chiefs Pantalones]

lol fail. Yes, that's right...a franchise QB will not help this team get a Super Bowl victory...the fans will. Fans>franchise QB. ROFL

[milkman]

Not quite X-factor bad, but near enough.

[Messier]

LMAO

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[Hammock Parties]

WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK A FIRST-ROUND QB IS GOING TO BRING A SUPER BOWL TO KANSAS CITY?

[KChiefs1]

Luck has been said to be better than Peyton Manning coming out of college.

Suck for Luck!

[CosmicPal]

Aaron Rodgers was touted to go in the first 10 picks but dropped in the first round. He's most certainly a "franchise QB."

Matt Stafford hasn't exactly taken the Lions to the SB yet, but he's certainly helped to turn that team around to a much brighter future, despite his early injuries.

And the same can be said for Bradford. He has the looks of a "Franchise" QB.

Get Luck. We haven't had a top 10 QB in a very, very long time. True, we're rolling the dice, but it's a pretty damn good chance to take.

[Simply Red]

has that Baldwin guy even had a catch yet?

[BigMeatballDave]

Did Pawnsmoker write that?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK A FIRST-ROUND QB IS GOING TO BRING A SUPER BOWL TO KANSAS CITY?

I don't know. We have some pretty talented fans out there that could bring it home.

[Messier]

has that Baldwin guy even had a catch yet?

No, but just you wait!

[Ace Gunner]

I just wiped my ass with my puter.

[CosmicPal]

has that Baldwin guy even had a catch yet?

Too bad he doesn't have anyone to throw to him yet.

[milkman]

I just wiped my ass with my puter.

That isn't why your posts stink.

[Simply Red]

Too bad he doesn't have anyone to throw to him yet.

Yeah. Sucks.

[reschief]

What do the following 3 teams have in common?


The 1992 Chargers.The 1998 Bills.The1998 Lions.

Answer: The only teams in NFL history to make the playoffs after starting 0-3

Rather bizzare these are the first 3 opponents we will play this year, but setting that aside, why not try something new after 40 years of not making it to the SB? Suck for Luck.

[KCrockaholic]

ArrowheadAddict is horrible. Those guys write like they are 12 years old. It's constant flip flopping and random bullshit that nobody cares about.

And this only proves even further how fucking stupid they are.

[tk13]

If you guys would buck up and stop your little pity party we would win tomorrow.

[Bugeater]

They lost me at "orcastrating".

[GayFrogs]

What will help this team get a championship, most likely in future seasons, is a strong and committed fan base that does not jump ship after two weeks.

How exactly? He kind of failed to explain this.

[Hammock Parties]

They lost me at "orcastrating".

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/salmon-to-blame-for-poisoned-killer-whales_1.jpg

[tredadda]

We have won a whopping three playoff games since SB IV and some still don't see the need to draft a franchise QB. We have had two common themes since after SB IV. Lack of a true franchise QB, and lack of playoff success. Is there a correlation between the two? I think so, yet some think that us sucking for one year to get the best QB prospect since Manning (and some say Elway) is a bad thing. I just don't get it. Oh well, I guess for some the thought of eventually winning the big one with career backups is brainwashed into their heads. 40 years of futility say otherwise. I want us to win 1 game this year (so we don't share with DET the distinction of being the only teams to win 0 regular season games) and that is it. With Luck this team will be far better and go much farther than we will with MC under center.

[tk13]

They lost me at "orcastrating".

So here is the deal, if Chiefs fans want Luck, they have to deal with the consequences of losing Todd Haley and the subsequent hiring fiasco that Pioli will be orcastrating.

I think they're trying to say if we want Luck, some of us are going to have to let Pioli cut our genitals off.

[Bearcat]

Just look at a few recent SB teams.... Steelers, Packers, Saints, Giants, Patriots. What do they all have in common?

Strong and committed fan bases.

[Bewbies]

I'd rather build around a franchise LT.

[KCrockaholic]

Just look at a few recent SB teams.... Steelers, Packers, Saints, Giants, Patriots. What do they all have in common?

Strong and committed fan bases.

Makes sense. I wonder how they became so strong and committed.

[KCrockaholic]

I'd rather build around a franchise LT.

And then draft a Left handed QB in the late rounds.

[GloryDayz]

While it may take more than "Luck" to get us a SB, if we can get an awesome QB, and lose the golf pro, how's that bad (or even a fiasco)? If we could find a way to get the trust-fund-baby Hunt to seel, we'd be SET!!

[Bearcat]

Makes sense. I wonder how they became so strong and committed.

It's all their dad ever talks about, nothing else to do up there, Katrina, I've got nuthin', SIXTH ROUND BACKUP QUARTERBACK!

[Bane]

I just wiped my ass with my puter.

Then it's just like GoTroll.


Full of shit.

[milkman]

And then draft a Left handed ginger QB in the late rounds.

FYP

[RealSNR]

What will help this team get a championship, most likely in future seasons, is a strong and committed fan base that does not jump ship after two weeks.I'm going to go set a cow on fire because now I know somebody this fucking stupid exists in the world

[Bewbies]

I'm going to go set a cow on fire because I know somebody this ****ing stupid exists in the world

People are scared shitless of being great.

[milkman]

I'm going to go set a cow on fire because I know somebody this ****ing stupid exists in the world

Kansas City Barbque! YEAH!

[RealSNR]

What will help this team get a championship, most likely in future seasons, is a strong and committed fan base that does not jump ship after two weeks.

By the way, this guy would have a point if it WERE only two games.

It hasn't been two games. It's been 40 years.

[The Bad Guy]

You know what pisses me off? Fans like this deserve to lose. They deserve to have awful things happen to the franchise. You know why? Because they will never fucking understand football. Ever. They deserve to follow a bottom-feeder. They deserve to have 0-16 seasons.

They want to point to all this bullshit like rounds drafted for QBs. It's like me saying I want to be rich, but praying I hit the lottery to do so and using that instead of working hard every day.

Fuck them. I'm disgusted that I share a common team with complete jackasses like the author of this piece.

[BigMeatballDave]

You know what pisses me off? Fans like this deserve to lose. They deserve to have awful things happen to the franchise. You know why? Because they will never fucking understand football. Ever. They deserve to follow a bottom-feeder. They deserve to have 0-16 seasons.

They want to point to all this bullshit like rounds drafted for QBs. It's like me saying I want to be rich, but praying I hit the lottery to do so and using that instead of working hard every day.

Fuck them. I'm disgusted that I share a common team with complete jackasses like the author of this piece.QFT

[Ace Gunner]

That isn't why your posts stink.

no, but it is why you have shit on your face.

[BigMeatballDave]

:facepalm:

I don’t expect a Superbowl run, probably not even a playoff run, but I do expected to see competitive football for the final 15 weeks of the season.

[Ace Gunner]

do you expected him to expected a losing team?

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Cassel needs more left tackles

[milkman]

no, but it is why you have shit on your face.

I am 1500 miles away from you and your "puter", so that's clearly a fabrication, or some sick sexual fantasy.

The fact that your posts suck is not fabrication.

[BigMeatballDave]

do you expected him to expected a losing team?:spock:

[milkman]

:spock:

He's parroting the author.

[O.city]

At this point I don't care if we have to give up all the BBQ in KC. If the Chiefs have to be horrible in a year this is the year. Suck and get Luck and be set at QB for a decade. Someone stated in another thread that looking at stats it is blatantly obvious that we need another qb.

[Ming the Merciless]

none of this matters


we will win tomorrow

[The Bad Guy]

Another translation from this article:

"We'd rather go 7-9, 8-8 and take a chance on Stanzi or some other QB drafted later in the draft, then suffer with 5 less loses".

God, there's not enough antifreeze and aid's trees I can wish on the author of this abortion.

Only 5 franchise QBs in the NFL? According to fucking who?

There are more than 5, and you know what they all have in common?

They go to the playoffs just about every year.

[The Bad Guy]

none of this matters


we will win tomorrow

I'll bet all of my casino cash otherwise. There's a whole lot of people in denial about the true amount of suck this team can achieve.

They are going to get blasted.

[O.city]

Another translation from this article:

"We'd rather go 7-9, 8-8 and take a chance on Stanzi or some other QB drafted later in the draft, then suffer with 5 less loses".

God, there's not enough antifreeze and aid's trees I can wish on the author of this abortion.

Only 5 franchise QBs in the NFL? According to ****ing who?

There are more than 5, and you know what they all have in common?

They go to the playoffs just about every year.

Absolutely. A franchise qb (which there are more than 5, wtf) masks so so many weaknesses unlike having to have a damn pro bowler or all pro at every position like we have to have with Cassel. I don't give a fuck how it happens just get a franchise qb and don't stop trying til we get one.

[Sucky]

Luck needs to come to KC.

[Hammock Parties]

I'll bet all of my casino cash otherwise. There's a whole lot of people in denial about the true amount of suck this team can achieve.

They are going to get blasted.

Reality is going to set in after tomorrow.

A LOT of idiots are hanging on to the hope that we can be "TIED FOR THE DIVISION LEAD AFTER TOMORROW!"

God help us if the Chiefs win.

[The Bad Guy]

Reality is going to set in after tomorrow.

A LOT of idiots are hanging on to the hope that we can be "TIED FOR THE DIVISION LEAD AFTER TOMORROW!"

God help us if the Chiefs win.

They can fuck themselves too.

The Chargers could sit Jackson, Floyd and Gates and still win by 2 TDs.

Why?

Because they have a franchise QB.

[O.city]

I'm so damn tired of 8-8 being a succesful season in KC. I'll take a shit year of 2-14 if that gets us a franchise qb. If we loose Haley in the process I'll take it as collateral damage. If he stays great but at this point I don't really care.

[O.city]

They can **** themselves too.

The Chargers could sit Jackson, Floyd and Gates and still win by 2 TDs.

Why?

Because they have a franchise QB.

Nail on the head my man.

[KCrockaholic]

Reality is going to set in after tomorrow.

A LOT of idiots are hanging on to the hope that we can be "TIED FOR THE DIVISION LEAD AFTER TOMORROW!"

God help us if the Chiefs win.

Those people live in a fantasy land.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm so damn tired of 8-8 being a succesful season in KC. I'll take a shit year of 2-14 if that gets us a franchise qb. If we loose Haley in the process I'll take it as collateral damage. If he stays great but at this point I don't really care.

The hilarious thing is these complete dopes will point to team chemistry building as a reason we can't go 2-14 because it will stunt our "future".

This team has no future without a QB. None. This QB sets the tone for the entire team. He's a passive pussy that can't handle pressure, doesn't throw with accuracy and doesn't make ANYONE around him better.

And before any of them point to Cassel's 27 TDs, let me know how many of them he threw against top 10 defenses.

[KurtCobain]

Hey GoChiefs, why weren't you rooting for the Bills week one? Did you not want Andrew Luck three weeks ago?

[Hammock Parties]

Those people live in a fantasy land.

Trust me, if we win tomorrow the idiots talking about winning the division will come out in DROVES.

"I AM NOT GIVING UP ON THIS TEAM IT IS A LONG YEAR AND WE ARE ONLY ONE GAME OUT! GO CHIEFS! tothemotherfuckingdeath"

[Ace Gunner]

I am 1500 miles away from you and your "puter", so that's clearly a fabrication, or some sick sexual fantasy.

The fact that your posts suck is not fabrication.

http://christwire.org/wp-content/uploads/Stupid-Bitch-I-called-Justin-Bieber-gay-he-hit-me-with-his-purse.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

And before any of them point to Cassel's 27 TDs, let me know how many of them he threw against top 10 defenses.Haley sucks, I wanna blow Weis/Laz,Chiefnj2, et al...

[KurtCobain]

Trust me, if we win tomorrow the idiots talking about winning the division will come out in DROVES.

"I AM NOT GIVING UP ON THIS TEAM IT IS A LONG YEAR AND WE ARE ONLY ONE GAME OUT! GO CHIEFS! tothemotherfuckingdeath"

I'm saying that now. And if we lose.

[The Bad Guy]

Hey GoChiefs, why weren't you rooting for the Bills week one? Did you not want Andrew Luck three weeks ago?

I've wanted Andrew Luck since he was a freshman. But not in my wildest dreams did I expect this team to be this bad. I didn't expect anything but 8-8, but take away Charles, Berry, Moeaki, have completely inept offensive and defensive coaching, and throw in a QB that has regressed back to his USC TE days, then I can't see a reason for any fan to be rooting for a few cheap wins to come at the expense of this franchise getting what it hasn't had in just about forever.

[Hammock Parties]

Hey GoChiefs, why weren't you rooting for the Bills week one? Did you not want Andrew Luck three weeks ago?

No one wanted to tank for Luck three weeks ago, so just shut the fuck up.

[KurtCobain]

No one wanted to tank for Luck three weeks ago.

Why?

[Hammock Parties]

Why?

Because people thought the Chiefs might be good you idiot. LMAO

[CosmicPal]

Why?

Because with our three starters we still had a chance. Small chance may it be, but a big win here and there, and we'd all be clamoring for big things to happen.

Now that we have lost so much so early, it should come as no surprise that we all want to wish the best for the future. And that future includes Luck.

[BigMeatballDave]

Why?Hope. We didnt really know how bad this team is... or want to know...

[KurtCobain]

I've wanted Andrew Luck since he was a freshman. But not in my wildest dreams did I expect this team to be this bad. I didn't expect anything but 8-8, but take away Charles, Berry, Moeaki, have completely inept offensive and defensive coaching, and throw in a QB that has regressed back to his USC TE days, then I can't see a reason for any fan to be rooting for a few cheap wins to come at the expense of this franchise getting what it hasn't had in just about forever.

That's the difference in thought between us, though.

we are not getting Luck. Except it. There's no chance in hell. This team does have talent. This is the NFL. We're going to get atleast 5-6 wins and it's bullshit that it's considered 'stupid' for me to be happy win we get those wins.

What I root for or not has no outcome on the game.

I would like to lose out and get Luck. But it's not going to happen.

I would like to be happy on Sundays, that's probably going to happen a few times.

Nothing I do is going to change what's going on with the Chiefs. I don't have the fucking money for a billboard.

[KurtCobain]

Because people thought the Chiefs might be good you idiot. LMAO

Nobody thought Cassel was better than Luck.

Why not root to throw the season?

We knew three weeks ago that we have a better shot at the SB with Luck.

[Ace Gunner]

Hey GoChiefs, why weren't you rooting for the Bills week one? Did you not want Andrew Luck three weeks ago?

hahaha pwned

[Bearcat]

Trust me, if we win tomorrow the idiots talking about winning the division will come out in DROVES.

"I AM NOT GIVING UP ON THIS TEAM IT IS A LONG YEAR AND WE ARE ONLY ONE GAME OUT! GO CHIEFS! tothemother****ingdeath"

Yep... 2-3 would be realistic going into the bye, then the whole season could turn around with 3 home games in a row. And there's no point in looking forward to that brutal stretch of 5 games after that, because they'll be a much better team by then.

As long as they have a chance at the playoffs, right?

[BigMeatballDave]

hahaha pwnedHardly.

[KCrockaholic]

hahaha pwned

No.

[Imon Yourside]

orcastrating.............??????

[Ace Gunner]

did you not expected a ball breaker ?

[The Bad Guy]

That's the difference in thought between us, though.

we are not getting Luck. Except it. There's no chance in hell. This team does have talent. This is the NFL. We're going to get atleast 5-6 wins and it's bullshit that it's considered 'stupid' for me to be happy win we get those wins.

What I root for or not has no outcome on the game.

I would like to lose out and get Luck. But it's not going to happen.

I would like to be happy on Sundays, that's probably going to happen a few times.

Nothing I do is going to change what's going on with the Chiefs. I don't have the ****ing money for a billboard.

Really, what teams are worse than the Chiefs?

This team 2 years ago was 4-12. There's not a whole lot of difference between those teams without Berry, Charles and Moeaki.

The schedule is brutal and the only real talent I see is Tamba, DJ, Dorsey, the guards, Bowe and the corners. However, all of those pieces are secondary guys to the quarterback. Berry helped a ton and having McGraw at safety just exposes things back there. Carr and Flowers are good corners, but good corners alone can't survive without good safeties.

Do you think any defense respects the run game now? Thomas Jones might as well be on the jazzy that Weis was using in training camp last year. Defenses are going to tee off on Cassel. I'd be amazed if he threw less than 20 picks this year.

I'd like to be happy on most Sunday's for the next 5-10 years after this one. I'd gladly sacrifice every win this year to achieve that. But you can be happy all you want with the wins. But there's no amount of wins this year that would equal my happiness in late April if we have the chance to take Luck.

[Dave Lane]

Whoever wrote that "article" should seriously consider sepukku

I have a couple good Japanese katanas I'd loan them.

[KurtCobain]

Yep... 2-3 would be realistic going into the bye, then the whole season could turn around with 3 home games in a row. And there's no point in looking forward to that brutal stretch of 5 games after that, because they'll be a much better team by then.

As long as they have a chance at the playoffs, right?

Umm, if we have a chance at the playoffs after that brutal stretch, then we are a good fucking team right? Didn't EVERY FUCKING MEMBER on this baord have them 2nd in the division, and they weren't bitching and moaning that they'd rather us lose every fucking game to get luck then, were they? Nothing. Not one honest cry for an 0-16 season prior to the preseason.

So now, just because you all are bitching on the rag after two terrible games, if we go 8-8 as expected we're an abortion of a franchise and we should all wear brown bags on our heads as we drown ourselves in a red dyed lake?

[Dave Lane]

orcastrating.............??????

Neutered perhaps?

[Hammock Parties]

we are not getting Luck. Except it. There's no chance in hell.

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT WORDS MEAN BEFORE USING THEM IDIOT

[KurtCobain]

Really, what teams are worse than the Chiefs?

This team 2 years ago was 4-12. There's not a whole lot of difference between those teams without Berry, Charles and Moeaki.

The schedule is brutal and the only real talent I see is Tamba, DJ, Dorsey, the guards, Bowe and the corners. However, all of those pieces are secondary guys to the quarterback. Berry helped a ton and having McGraw at safety just exposes things back there. Carr and Flowers are good corners, but good corners alone can't survive without good safeties.

Do you think any defense respects the run game now? Thomas Jones might as well be on the jazzy that Weis was using in training camp last year. Defenses are going to tee off on Cassel. I'd be amazed if he threw less than 20 picks this year.

I'd like to be happy on most Sunday's for the next 5-10 years after this one. I'd gladly sacrifice every win this year to achieve that.

That does sound about right.

I think my real question for you here is, will you be pissed if we go 8-8?

[KurtCobain]

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT WORDS MEAN BEFORE USING THEM IDIOT

Accept it. Whatever, you obviously knew what I meant. I'm trying to type at work at the same time I'm trying to create an argument from nothing.

[Imon Yourside]

Neutered perhaps?

castrating orcs? sounds medieval.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Come on PonyBoy. Everyone here had high hopes for the season week 1. After last year how could you not? The problem with last year is that 3 of our most influential players are now out for the season. We played one of the easiest schedules in recent memory. And the one guy who has the ability to save our teams record no matter the amount of injuries has so far looked about as useful as a cock flavored lolly pop.

[BigMeatballDave]

That does sound about right.

I think my real question for you here is, will you be pissed if we go 8-8?Furious

[Hammock Parties]

Really, what teams are worse than the Chiefs?

This team 2 years ago was 4-12. There's not a whole lot of difference between those teams without Berry, Charles and Moeaki.

The schedule is brutal and the only real talent I see is Tamba, DJ, Dorsey, the guards, Bowe and the corners. However, all of those pieces are secondary guys to the quarterback. Berry helped a ton and having McGraw at safety just exposes things back there. Carr and Flowers are good corners, but good corners alone can't survive without good safeties.

Do you think any defense respects the run game now? Thomas Jones might as well be on the jazzy that Weis was using in training camp last year. Defenses are going to tee off on Cassel. I'd be amazed if he threw less than 20 picks this year.

I'd like to be happy on most Sunday's for the next 5-10 years after this one. I'd gladly sacrifice every win this year to achieve that. But you can be happy all you want with the wins. But there's no amount of wins this year that would equal my happiness in late April if we have the chance to take Luck.

We have not even seen the worst yet.

Without Charles this offense is going to be brutal.

[The Bad Guy]

That does sound about right.

I think my real question for you here is, will you be pissed if we go 8-8?

I'll be pissed because it basically means status quo for yet another year and likely for the next 3. I think Luck is a once in a decade type player. Missing out on someone like him would be devistating to me considering the state of this team right now and the prospects for the future at the position.

I don't think any team in the NFL can win without a franchise QB. The days of Dilfer, Brad Johnson and the mid-round QB rounding into a franchise guy are over.

Look around the NFL. Of the teams that made the playoffs last year, 10 of the 12 QBs were first round picks. The only 2 that weren't were Cassel and Hasselbeck.

[The Bad Guy]

We have not even seen the worst yet.

Without Charles this offense is going to be brutal.

Oh, I know we haven't. The 5 game stretch against the top teams in the NFL is going to completely be the nail in Haley's coffin.

If they can't win against Minnesota, Denver or Miami at home, there's a very real chance that we don't win a game this year.

[tk13]

I think Charles going out is the thing that might put us over the top in the Luck race. He was explosive enough to give us a game or two we probably didn't deserve to win. Now I don't know.

But that said, there is some really bad football being played right now. Just hideous. Our scores have definitely been the worst, but there are some bad, bad football teams out there. There are going to be some devastated people round these parts if we end up with the 2nd or 3rd pick.

[KurtCobain]

I'll be pissed because it basically means status quo for yet another year and likely for the next 3. I think Luck is a once in a decade type player. Missing out on someone like him would be devistating to me considering the state of this team right now and the prospects for the future at the position.

I don't think any team in the NFL can win without a franchise QB. The days of Dilfer, Brad Johnson and the mid-round QB rounding into a franchise guy are over.

Look around the NFL. Of the teams that made the playoffs last year, 10 of the 12 QBs were first round picks. The only 2 that weren't were Cassel and Hasselbeck.

My point is, would you have been pissed had these two games not happened? Before them you knew Cassel wasn't Andrew Luck. But you weren't ready to root for losses then.

[Chiefs=Champions]

My point is, would you have been pissed had these two games not happened? Before them you knew Cassel wasn't Andrew Luck. But you weren't ready to root for losses then.

I don't think anyone predicted the suckatude that Matt has brought the first couple of weeks. Neither did anyone predict Eric and Charles going down.

[Hammock Parties]

My point is, would you have been pissed had these two games not happened? Before them you knew Cassel wasn't Andrew Luck. But you weren't ready to root for losses then.

There were a lot of people hoping Cassel could continue to improve.

So far it looks like his improvement was a mirage.

[Red Dawg]

Two weeks? What the hell? It's been 30-40 years and counting since a SB appearence and legit QB in the draft.

We have not jump ship, hell we have stuck it better thatn any fan base in the world.

[tredadda]

I'll be pissed because it basically means status quo for yet another year and likely for the next 3. I think Luck is a once in a decade type player. Missing out on someone like him would be devistating to me considering the state of this team right now and the prospects for the future at the position.

I don't think any team in the NFL can win without a franchise QB. The days of Dilfer, Brad Johnson and the mid-round QB rounding into a franchise guy are over.

Look around the NFL. Of the teams that made the playoffs last year, 10 of the 12 QBs were first round picks. The only 2 that weren't were Cassel and Hasselbeck.



9 of 12. Brady was a 6th rounder. But good point none the less.

[BIG_DADDY]

I think Luck is as close as you get to a lock on a franchise QB coming out of college. I don't really care what they do to pick him up. With all that extra cap money we could get good really fast. Anyone that thinks this team is going anywhere this season is smocking crack

[milkman]

I don't think anyone predicted the suckatude that Matt has brought the first couple of weeks. Neither did anyone predict Eric and Charles going down.

I'm not sure that anyone predicted the suckitude, but there have been many that were concerned.

Hell, there were debates during the preseason about whether Satnzi was better.

Two weeks? What the hell? It's been 30-40 years and counting since a SB appearence and legit QB in the draft.

We have not jump ship, hell we have stuck it better thatn any fan base in the world.

This team has never drafted a franchise QB.

[The Bad Guy]

9 of 12. Brady was a 6th rounder. But good point none the less.

Correct. Brain fart on my part.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Wow. I just realized I'm completely fucking jaded. Before I'm 30. Thanks Chiefs.

[Predarat]

The fuck Suck4Luck people can go fuck themselves.

[Chiefs=Champions]

I'm not sure that anyone predicted the suckitude, but there have been many that were concerned.

Hell, there were debates during the preseason about whether Satnzi was better.



Yer. Thats true...








Suck for Luck!

[okcchief]

It doesn't matter what anyone roots for. We fucking suck balls and will be one of the worst teams in the NFL without Charles and Berry. We are going to have a top five pick regardless. Why not hope we finally are the worst and get the 1 pick when it's worth having? If you don't want this to happen I question your desire for this team to ever win a SuperBowl. I've had 40 years of this shit. I can deal with one epic bad year for the greater good. BTW we are not better than Indy and Minnesota on most days with our current players. We'll win 1 or 2 games I would imagine hopefully against the Donks and Raiders. I just hope it's bad enough.

[Predarat]

The Chiefs right now are basicly a fucking cover band NFL team trying to be a fucking real NFL team. And you can take the fucking shit to the fucking bank!

[kcxiv]

Yeah, suck for luck thing is just a way to ease the pain. IN reality i want the team to play better, but i KNOW they wont. I jsut dont see how we are going to move the ball. Its just not there.

So, ill play along with the Suck for Luck and with any luck it may happen, not because i want it too or not because i dont want it too, but because this team is ASS>

[Chiefs Pantalones]

It seems to me that most Chiefs fans are satisfied with just making the playoffs. Even if it costs us a true franchise QB. Because if we do make the playoffs, or make a strong push, you'll be fucking sad because Cassel will be back at QB next year. I don't want playoffs, I want Super Bowl wins. That will not happen with Cassel. We NEED a franchise QB. And there is no way this team wins more than 3 games with 3 of our best players out for the year. Our depth was tissue deep as it was anyway. We weren't going to go to the playoffs this year anyway. The best thing that could happen to this team is to get the #1 pick and take Luck.

[L.A. Chieffan]

WE CAN GO 0-16 AND KEEP HALEY.


FUCK YOU.

[Bump]

whoever wrote that deserves a huge kick to the groin. We are Chiefs fans and we are finally starting to realize that we need a fucking legit QB if we ever want to even dream of a Superbowl ever again. How have we looked so far this season? oh, we've been outscored 10-89? It's fucking time to suck to get the #1 pick, it doesn't mean that we are giving up on being fans, it means that we are evolving into intelligent fucking people and we fucking need Andrew Luck to even have a hope at any bright future. If we don't, we are looking at another 20 years of pain. Why is this hard to understand?

[kcfanXIII]

i haven't given up on this team. maybe the season, but not the team. i think overall there is still a lot of talent around arrowhead. except for qb. i'm not completely sold haley is a shitty coach but i'm leaning more towards yes then no right now.. its a shitty enough article to be written by the assclown and charged for over at WPI...

[Saccopoo]

I think Charles going out is the thing that might put us over the top in the Luck race. He was explosive enough to give us a game or two we probably didn't deserve to win. Now I don't know.

But that said, there is some really bad football being played right now. Just hideous. Our scores have definitely been the worst, but there are some bad, bad football teams out there. There are going to be some devastated people round these parts if we end up with the 2nd or 3rd pick.

Jared Crick is going to look awesome in a Chiefs uniform.

Just saying...

[Saccopoo]

Actually the real irony here would be if we did pull out three or four wins while a team like Indy only gets two...deja vu?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0606/gallery.greatathletes/images/elway.jpg


http://www.nittanyanthology.com/pic_BLACKLEDGE.jpg

[FlaChief58]

Yeah, let's keep following the same plan we have for 40 years. Sofar that's really worked out well for us. just look at all the championships we have won with the endless parade of retread QB's.

This fanbase IS devoted to this team so much so that we are willing to put up with being the NFL's whooping boy for yet another season in the hope that we will finally get the one piece of the puzzle that can make us great for a decade.

Anyone who believes otherwise should turn in their Chiefs jersey immediatly and become a bungles fan.

[Ace Gunner]

Jared Crick is going to look awesome in a Chiefs uniform.

Just saying...

yep

[FantasyFanGear]

One bad season for two decades of playoff football? Let's Suck for Luck.

[Saccopoo]

One bad season for two decades of playoff football? Let's Suck for Luck.

The expectations for this kid are insane, especially from fans of teams who actually think that they have a shot at drafting him.

Thinking back, I can't ever remember the hype level associated with a player - not even Manning - that this guy currently has.

We are only two games into the season and it's already a full blown "Let's Suck for Luck," "Tank the season!" mindset.

For his sake, I hope this kid really is the second coming of Elway. If he's not, the fallout is going to be armageddonish level.

Or even worse, what happens if Luck goes first turns out okay, but one of the other first round quarterbacks like Jones or Barkley or Foles turns out to be "the guy?" Oh my god...

[O.city]

The expectations for this kid are insane, especially from fans of teams who actually think that they have a shot at drafting him.

Thinking back, I can't ever remember the hype level associated with a player - not even Manning - that this guy currently has.

We are only two games into the season and it's already a full blown "Let's Suck for Luck," "Tank the season!" mindset.

For his sake, I hope this kid really is the second coming of Elway. If he's not, the fallout is going to be armageddonish level.

Or even worse, what happens if Luck goes first turns out okay, but one of the other first round quarterbacks like Jones or Barkley or Foles turns out to be "the guy?" Oh my god...

What is your thoughts Sac? what should we do if we have a chance to get Luck? would he be worth it?

[Saccopoo]

What is your thoughts Sac? what should we do if we have a chance to get Luck? would he be worth it?

The pundits sure think he's the real deal, but most pundits are guys who are playing general managers and not general managers themselves.

If the guy comes through the workouts and interviews and the Chiefs think he's "the guy," then sure, you absolutely have to draft him. Cassel's on-field performance has basically dictated that the Chiefs will need to look for a future starting quarterback sooner rather than later (and that's not considering the huge amount of money that will be owed to him if he's around for the 2012 season).

With the rookie salary cap in place, the seemingly notoriously cheap Hunt will have no problem pulling the trigger on a first round, first pick quarterback. (Cam Newton's $22 million deal is a lot more attractive to the accountants than say Bradford or Stafford's $60 million dollar deals.) It's a good looking, top heavy quarterback class as well with not only Luck, but Foles, Jones, Barkley among others looking like solid pro prospects.

However, Luck seems to be the guy. He most likely would have been the first pick in the draft if he came out as a red shirt sophomore or a junior over such guys as Sam Bradford and Cam Newton. And, at this point, I don't think that there is a person on this site that wouldn't take Bradford as the quarterback for this team. (However, at the time, the "don't pick anyone from the Big 12 conference" crowd was pretty vocal about picking guys like Bradford, McCoy, Freeman and the like.)

Unless a team wants to give you a Ricky Williams level trade deal for moving into the top spot (which one would have to seriously consider looking at the overall lack of depth that the Chiefs have at a number of positions), you take the quarterback that you have rated at the top, especially if that quarterback is head and shoulders better than the next best player - regardless of position. If it's Luck, then take him. It's a crap shoot all the way (remember that it was a near split for the NFL teams about Manning versus Leaf), but if you don't have a franchise quarterback, you keeping picking until you do. The Chiefs haven't done that and have relied on free agents to fill the void forever, with the exception of Blackledge.

If Luck truly is the best quarterback prospect since Elway, yeah, the Chiefs would be silly not to pick him. This franchise is way overdue for a home grown franchise level quarterback and the last time they took a chance on one (Blackledge) it didn't turn out good.

This is really a perfect case scenario for the Chiefs. Rookie salary cap. A promising young team that has three of it's very best players out for the season with injuries (that happened early in the season so they can rehab and be ready to roll at the start of next season) - remember the San Antonio Spurs the year that they drafted Tim Duncan? The best QB prospect in 30 years is within reach.

Is this the year that the Chiefs finally get their very own "QBOTF?" The potential is there...

[RealSNR]

And if not, hey. Maybe we can finally build our dream offensive line and give Cassel at least 12 seconds to throw the ball every time he steps back to pass. Maybe he'll be somewhat decent then

[O.city]

The pundits sure think he's the real deal, but most pundits are guys who are playing general managers and not general managers themselves.

If the guy comes through the workouts and interviews and the Chiefs think he's "the guy," then sure, you absolutely have to draft him. Cassel's on-field performance has basically dictated that the Chiefs will need to look for a future starting quarterback sooner rather than later (and that's not considering the huge amount of money that will be owed to him if he's around for the 2012 season).

With the rookie salary cap in place, the seemingly notoriously cheap Hunt will have no problem pulling the trigger on a first round, first pick quarterback. (Cam Newton's $22 million deal is a lot more attractive to the accountants than say Bradford or Stafford's $60 million dollar deals.) It's a good looking, top heavy quarterback class as well with not only Luck, but Foles, Jones, Barkley among others looking like solid pro prospects.

However, Luck seems to be the guy. He most likely would have been the first pick in the draft if he came out as a red shirt sophomore or a junior over such guys as Sam Bradford and Cam Newton. And, at this point, I don't think that there is a person on this site that wouldn't take Bradford as the quarterback for this team. (However, at the time, the "don't pick anyone from the Big 12 conference" crowd was pretty vocal about picking guys like Bradford, McCoy, Freeman and the like.)

Unless a team wants to give you a Ricky Williams level trade deal for moving into the top spot (which one would have to seriously consider looking at the overall lack of depth that the Chiefs have at a number of positions), you take the quarterback that you have rated at the top, especially if that quarterback is head and shoulders better than the next best player - regardless of position. If it's Luck, then take him. It's a crap shoot all the way (remember that it was a near split for the NFL teams about Manning versus Leaf), but if you don't have a franchise quarterback, you keeping picking until you do. The Chiefs haven't done that and have relied on free agents to fill the void forever, with the exception of Blackledge.

If Luck truly is the best quarterback prospect since Elway, yeah, the Chiefs would be silly not to pick him. This franchise is way overdue for a home grown franchise level quarterback and the last time they took a chance on one (Blackledge) it didn't turn out good.

This is really a perfect case scenario for the Chiefs. Rookie salary cap. A promising young team that has three of it's very best players out for the season with injuries (that happened early in the season so they can rehab and be ready to roll at the start of next season) - remember the San Antonio Spurs the year that they drafted Tim Duncan? The best QB prospect in 30 years is within reach.

Is this the year that the Chiefs finally get their very own "QBOTF?" The potential is there...

Nice post. It would be a great time to draft a franchise qb to grow along with our young team. If we could draft Luck and have another solid draft like the last two to pair with the -08 draft we would be very well on our way.

[O.city]

Sac, I was more asking what do you think of Luck?

[Saccopoo]

Sac, I was more asking what do you think of Luck?

I don't think he's John Elway.

Elway was an absolute freak for the position and went to five Superbowls, three of them by himself.

I think he's more on the level of a Sam Bradford type of guy if you are comparing him to recent QB's. Steve Young-ish is probably his ultimate ceiling. Steve Young is in the Hall of Fame. I'd take that.

He's got great feel for the game and good footwork in the pocket. Very accurate, especially in the intermediary passing game.

Right now, I actually like Nick Foles a bit better than Luck, but that's obviously just me. Foles has the intangibles that Luck has in terms of leadership and demeanor and throws a better ball deep. Stronger arm. A bigger version of Matt Stafford for comparison to recent QB's.

Foles has been absolutely on fire so far this year. It will be interesting as both are in the same conference playing the same teams. A great chance to objectively analyze these two guys.

[the Talking Can]

Right now, I actually like Nick Foles a bit better than Luck



Luck it is, then....

[O.city]

I don't think he's John Elway.

Elway was an absolute freak for the position and went to five Superbowls, three of them by himself.

I think he's more on the level of a Sam Bradford type of guy if you are comparing him to recent QB's. Steve Young-ish is probably his ultimate ceiling. Steve Young is in the Hall of Fame. I'd take that.

He's got great feel for the game and good footwork in the pocket. Very accurate, especially in the intermediary passing game.

Right now, I actually like Nick Foles a bit better than Luck, but that's obviously just me. Foles has the intangibles that Luck has in terms of leadership and demeanor and throws a better ball deep. Stronger arm. A bigger version of Matt Stafford for comparison to recent QB's.

Foles has been absolutely on fire so far this year. It will be interesting as both are in the same conference playing the same teams. A great chance to objectively analyze these two guys.

I haven't seen either play much at all. Foles has a Stafford type arm? That's the only knock I have seen on Luck so far.

[Bane]

Matt Casshole sucks.

[Saccopoo]

Luck it is, then....

Add to that that Foles is a junior and with the rookie salary cap and Luck, he might stick around for his senior year anyway versus come out for the draft.

Also, Luck has been playing behind a very good offensive line with OT Jon Martin being a legitimate top ten caliber player in his own right where Foles has been incredibly accurate so far this season while constantly being pressured because of a bad offensive line. (Case in point, he was sacked five times against Stanford but still went 24 for 33 with no interceptions. That's being pretty poised in the pocket in the face of ungodly pressure. Foles is a stud at the quarterback position.)

If the Chiefs have a chance at a franchise guy like Luck, you take him. It's a very good offensive tackle draft, so they can pick up a guy like Matt Reynolds of BYU or Nate Potter of Boise State in the second round. (Both of who would have easily been considered first round type players in recent years.)

[O.city]

I feel like the Oline has played pretty well this year so far in pass protection.

[Okie_Apparition]

When/if flops in the NFL. He can land a role in a Revenge of the Nerds remake

[Saccopoo]

I feel like the Oline has played pretty well this year so far in pass protection.

Two yard dump offs again for the Cassel. It's easy to pass protect when the pass play is a behind the line of scrimmage, two step drop screen pass.

You'll see it all season long. We really won't have a good idea of how "improved" the pass protection is this year. I will admit that Albert hasn't looked as bad so far, but again, they really haven't passed to receivers anyway.

Based on past performance, and this preseason, both tackles need to be upgraded in addition to QB (Cassel has incredibly bad pocket presence and feel for the game), DE (both Jackson and Dorsey should be considered busts at this point as it relates to their draft positions), ILB (Johnson is inconsistent and Belcher simply lacks the athleticism and size to be an upper echelon MLB in a 34 though he has very good instincts and hustle), RB #2, WR#4, S#3, C or LG (depending upon what they do with Hudson), TE #2, NT (depending upon Powe's progression in the system), WR #3/#4 and better athleticism on special teams.

But it all starts at the QB spot.

[Hammock Parties]

lol @ anyone who thinks we need to upgrade from Derrick Johnson.

[Ace Gunner]

Two yard dump offs again for the Cassel. It's easy to pass protect when the pass play is a behind the line of scrimmage, two step drop screen pass.

You'll see it all season long. We really won't have a good idea of how "improved" the pass protection is this year. I will admit that Albert hasn't looked as bad so far, but again, they really haven't passed to receivers anyway.

Based on past performance, and this preseason, both tackles need to be upgraded in addition to QB (Cassel has incredibly bad pocket presence and feel for the game), DE (both Jackson and Dorsey should be considered busts at this point as it relates to their draft positions), ILB (Johnson is inconsistent and Belcher simply lacks the athleticism and size to be an upper echelon MLB in a 34 though he has very good instincts and hustle), RB #2, WR#4, S#3, C or LG (depending upon what they do with Hudson), TE #2, NT (depending upon Powe's progression in the system), WR #3/#4 and better athleticism on special teams.

But it all starts at the QB spot.

may as well put #1 safety and RB on that list. Jamaal and Berry will come back and suck.

[O.city]

may as well put #1 safety and RB on that list. Jamaal and Berry will come back and suck.

Wow just wow.

[milkman]

Two yard dump offs again for the Cassel.

After he's scanned the field (read: locked onto his primary) for 4 seconds.

[Tribal Warfare]

Add to that that Foles is a junior and with the rookie salary cap and Luck, he might stick around for his senior year anyway versus come out for the draft.

Also, Luck has been playing behind a very good offensive line with OT Jon Martin being a legitimate top ten caliber player in his own right where Foles has been incredibly accurate so far this season while constantly being pressured because of a bad offensive line. (Case in point, he was sacked five times against Stanford but still went 24 for 33 with no interceptions. That's being pretty poised in the pocket in the face of ungodly pressure. Foles is a stud at the quarterback position.)

If the Chiefs have a chance at a franchise guy like Luck, you take him. It's a very good offensive tackle draft, so they can pick up a guy like Matt Reynolds of BYU or Nate Potter of Boise State in the second round. (Both of who would have easily been considered first round type players in recent years.)

Foles is a 5th year Senior

[Epic Fail 007]

i agree the people saying suck for 1 player thats just stupid talk and some of the people saying it are just saying it because its the popular thing to say at the time.Not to mention how much more longer the team will suck waiting for luck to develop.Yes hes a nice player but no he is not worth tanking everything for.And if your a so called fan wanting your team to loose is stupid.And if u r 1 of those wanting a lose,well ur not really a true fan,ur just following what the in crowd says and thats a more stupid way to be.

[milkman]

i agree the people saying suck for 1 player thats just stupid talk and some of the people saying it are just saying it because its the popular thing to say at the time.Not to mention how much more longer the team will suck waiting for luck to develop.Yes hes a nice player but no he is not worth tanking everything for.And if your a so called fan wanting your team to loose is stupid.And if u r 1 of those wanting a lose,well ur not really a true fan,ur just following what the in crowd says and thats a more stupid way to be.

I'd respond to this if I had any idea how to decode it.

English. do you speak it, motherfucker?

[Fat Elvis]

i agree the people saying suck for 1 player thats just stupid talk and some of the people saying it are just saying it because its the popular thing to say at the time.Not to mention how much more longer the team will suck waiting for luck to develop.Yes hes a nice player but no he is not worth tanking everything for.And if your a so called fan wanting your team to loose is stupid.And if u r 1 of those wanting a lose,well ur not really a true fan,ur just following what the in crowd says and thats a more stupid way to be.

Seems as though we have our own BenglasRule...(without the humor)

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=118&f=1666&t=3479917

Now get to it Pisspipes and Whorehats.

[Stumplifter]

"Suck for Luck" really is a stupid idea when you seriously think about it.

Tank the whole season to have the availability to get one specific player...... and a college player at that.

I'd rather have the Chiefs start Stanzi and/or Palko for awhile to see what we've got.
If the Chiefs end up with the #1 pick after that, then so be it.

But to purposely want the team to 'suck' to get the #1 pick is asinine.

[Bewbies]

"Suck for Luck" really is a stupid idea when you seriously think about it.

Tank the whole season to have the availability to get one specific player...... and a college player at that.

I'd rather have the Chiefs start Stanzi and/or Palko for awhile to see what we've got.
If the Chiefs end up with the #1 pick after that, then so be it.

But to purposely want the team to 'suck' to get the #1 pick is asinine.

The team already sucks. We want the first pick instead of the second. Idiot.

[Stumplifter]

The team already sucks. We want the first pick instead of the second. Idiot.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Every year we see the hyping up of certain players, by the time the draft comes around the media has all the kool aid drinkers worked up into a frenzy over one or two certain players.

#1 pick, #2 pick, it's all the same....... Luck will prove to be 'just a man', he's not superman or magical or any other thing like that.

This team needs a lot more than Luck to not suck. Idiot.

[Bewbies]

Blah, Blah, Blah

Every year we see the hyping up of certain players, by the time the draft comes around the media has all the kool aid drinkers worked up into a frenzy over one or two certain players.

#1 pick, #2 pick, it's all the same....... Luck will prove to be 'just a man', he's not superman or magical or any other thing like that.

This team needs a lot more than Luck to not suck. Idiot.

Are you fucking Matt Cassel? How do his dick taste?

[FlaChief58]

The team already sucks. We want the first pick instead of the second. Idiot.

Exactly, I wanted the Chiefs to be good this year but, Newsflash: THEY SUCK! So why would anyone want this team to win a few meaningless games when there is no chance in hell they are getting to the playoffs?

Suck for Luck is the only thing that really makes sense for this teams future.

[milkman]

Blah, Blah, Blah

Every year we see the hyping up of certain players, by the time the draft comes around the media has all the kool aid drinkers worked up into a frenzy over one or two certain players.

#1 pick, #2 pick, it's all the same....... Luck will prove to be 'just a man', he's not superman or magical or any other thing like that.

This team needs a lot more than Luck to not suck. Idiot.

One player does not fix all of your problems, but the most important position in professional team sports can mask a lot of deficiencies.

If you don't have a QB in today's NFL you can not hope to compete.

It really is as simple as that.

[Saccopoo]

Foles is a 5th year Senior

You're correct. For some reason I was thinking he was a redshirt junior.

[notorious]

Wow, the SFL campaign is boiling the Truefans' blood.

[KCinNY]

Wow, the SFL campaign is boiling the Truefans' blood.

Thinking the same thing when I read this.

I have a co-worker who epitomizes being the "true fan." He thinks we just should've kept Waters and drafted an LT and we'd be sitting at 2-0 right now(no joke, he really believes this).

[notorious]

Thinking the same thing when I read this.

I have a co-worker who epitomizes being the "true fan." He thinks we just should've kept Waters and drafted an LT and we'd be sitting at 2-0 right now(no joke, he really believes this).

Antifreeze.

[The Bad Guy]

Blah, Blah, Blah

Every year we see the hyping up of certain players, by the time the draft comes around the media has all the kool aid drinkers worked up into a frenzy over one or two certain players.

#1 pick, #2 pick, it's all the same....... Luck will prove to be 'just a man', he's not superman or magical or any other thing like that.

This team needs a lot more than Luck to not suck. Idiot.

No, it's not all the same you fucking moron. Is Cam Newton the same as Von Miller? Absolutely not. Is Peyton Manning the same as Ryan Leaf.

Franchise QBs are supermen in the NFL. Did you just start watching the NFL, or come out of a 50 year coma?