Football Top 5 college QB prospects [Archive]

sedated

10-01-2011, 03:12 PM

Name 'em, and where will they go in the draft?

I'm no expert, but it seems these 5 may be locks for the first round:
1. Luck (duh)
2. Barkley (USC)
3. Jones (Oklahoma)
4. Moore (Boise St.)
5. RG3 (Baylor)

doomy3

10-01-2011, 03:13 PM

I don't think Moore goes in the first round, but Foles will. Moore is very small.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 03:15 PM

Luck

Barkley
Jones

Foles

RG3
Moore (due to size. But he's a hell of a QB)

Yeah I know that was 6.

RealSNR

10-01-2011, 03:17 PM

Foles has looked like poop lately. I don't really want any part of him in the draft.

Robert Griffin III looks very intriguing.

How do people feel about Dan Persa? I know he's going to be a 3rd round and later guy, but he's a very intriguing developmental prospect

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 03:30 PM

I don't think Moore goes in the first round, but Foles will. Moore is very small.

Colt McCoy is small. He's doing well in Cleveland.

Moore is extremely accurate.

I like him if we miss out on Luck.

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 03:33 PM

Drew Brees is small, too.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 03:38 PM

Luck
Barkley
Jones
Foles
RGIII

Cousins

KCinNY

10-01-2011, 03:43 PM

Not sure how Landry Jones would do with just average talent surrounding him.

I thought the same thing about Bradford, though and he had a nice rookie year.

KurtCobain

10-01-2011, 03:49 PM

For the Chiefs I either want Luck or RG3 if we're drafting top ten, otherwise wait for the early second and take moore.

RustShack

10-01-2011, 03:51 PM

Steele Jantz.

Ugly Duck

10-01-2011, 03:52 PM

Luck

50 feet of crap

whoever....

sedated

10-01-2011, 03:52 PM

Moore has done nothing but win, and he hasn't had the benefits that some of those other guys have had.

I thought Foles looked great at times last year, but has been inconsistent.

Matt Moore for HOF

10-01-2011, 03:53 PM

10 posts in and no mention of Ryan Lindley?

sedated

10-01-2011, 03:56 PM

So how many QBs go in he 1st next year? 6? 7? Looks like a good year to need one.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 03:58 PM

Moore has done nothing but win, and he hasn't had the benefits that some of those other guys have had.

I thought Foles looked great at times last year, but has been inconsistent.

Titus Young and Austin Pettis were pretty good WR's

Three7s

10-01-2011, 04:06 PM

I don't think Moore goes in the first round, but Foles will. Moore is very small.
I think Moore is a definite sleeper. I know people don't like his height, but according to ESPN, he's listed at 6-1, which is still taller than Brees I think. He's my 2nd choice.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:14 PM

Moore is small and doesn't have the arm.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 04:21 PM

Moore is small and doesn't have the arm.

He has the IQ and accuracy. And not just good enough accuracy. He's pin point. That to me is worth a 3rd rounder.

milkman

10-01-2011, 04:24 PM

Moore is small and doesn't have the arm.

Well, Moore just climbed up the ladder of prospects in my eyes.

I haven't seen him, but your low opinion of him is all the endorsement for him that I need.

DeezNutz

10-01-2011, 04:24 PM

I think RG3's stock will continue to rise, and Jones' will drop.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 04:26 PM

My only problem with Moore other than his small frame is that he's a lefty. And he looks damn good for a lefty.

Bambi

10-01-2011, 04:28 PM

We should take RG3

I'm now convinced.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 04:30 PM

We should take RG3

I'm now convinced.

I'd take him in the 2nd.

He's nothing compared to Andrew Luck though.

sedated

10-01-2011, 04:36 PM

Moore is small and doesn't have the arm.

Height and arm strength are always the best factors to pick a QB.

DeezNutz

10-01-2011, 04:47 PM

While arm strength isn't the #1 priority, it seems like there's often a pendulum effective in discussing the importance of this attribute, and thus it often becomes underrated.

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 04:47 PM

I don't think I'd feel comfortable putting my franchise in the hands of a QB like RG3. He does have talent but worth a top 10 pick in the QB department? If Foles or Barkley are still on the board? I'm not so sure.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:50 PM

Well, Moore just climbed up the ladder of prospects in my eyes.

I haven't seen him, but your low opinion of him is all the endorsement for him that I need.

Yea your ability to spot talent is so much better: Jarron Giilbert, Jamon Meredith, etc to name a few.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:51 PM

Height and arm strength are always the best factors to pick a QB.

You don't think Height and arm strength are factors for teams drafting QB's?

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 04:51 PM

Yea your ability to spot talent is so much better: Jarron Giilbert, Jamon Meredith, etc to name a few.

Gasp. You mean we're all wrong every once in a while?!?

And some more than others.

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 04:53 PM

Moore is small and doesn't have the arm.

I'm not comparing, but Montana was 6'2 with a relatively weak arm but it's not about arm strength, IMO. The most important fundamentals of QBing are accuracy, decision making, poise, footwork and pocket presence. There are no perfect QBs but arm strength isn't the most important thing. If your coach is smart he's fitting the scheme around the QBs talents; getting the most out of him. It should be a fun offseason (and an even better one if we get the #1 pick).

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:53 PM

Gasp. You mean we're all wrong every once in a while?!?

And some more than others.

Exactly and him trying to discredit me on a personal beef is bullshit.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 04:55 PM

Exactly and him trying to discredit me on a personal beef is bullshit.

It's just his opinion. Don't let it bother you, geez.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:56 PM

I'm not comparing, but Montana was 6'2 with a relatively weak arm but it's not about arm strength, IMO. The most important fundamentals of QBing are accuracy, decision making, poise, footwork and pocket presence. There are no perfect QBs but arm strength isn't the most important thing. If your coach is smart he's fitting the scheme around the QBs talents; getting the most out of him. It should be a fun offseason (and an even better one if we get the #1 pick).

I agree with you fundamentals are the most important thing but don't you think Moore is part of a good system? I don't see Boise fling it down the field very much.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 04:59 PM

It's just his opinion. Don't let it bother you, geez.

Not bothered by it he just gets really strange when talking about football like he has to have the biggest dick in the room.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 05:00 PM

Not bothered by it he just gets really strange when talking about football like he has to have the biggest dick in the room.

He doesn't think he has the biggest dick. He just thinks you have the smallest.

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 05:01 PM

I agree with you fundamentals are the most important thing but don't you think Moore is part of a good system? I don't see Boise fling it down the field very much.

He's a leader. He's very poise and cool under pressure. He has, IMO, the most accurate ball in college. Whether or not that's the system will be known in the coming years. He does have to get stronger physically, IMO. Depending on his pro day I'd say 2nd to 3rd rounder because scouts do focus on the sexy stuff (arm strength, height) more than ever. But that's why there are steals. No one is perfect.

Tribal Warfare

10-01-2011, 05:07 PM

No one is perfect.

Unless it's Andrew Luck :D

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Unless it's Andrew Luck :D

lol just from a fan's perspective, I have been watching college football for a long time and IMO I haven't seen a QB like Luck since Peyton "my neck, my back, my neck and my back!!!" Manning.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 05:10 PM

lol just from a fan's perspective, I have been watching college football for a long time and IMO I haven't seen a QB like Luck since Peyton "my neck, my back, my neck and my back!!!" Manning.

lol.. You forgot "knees" also.

Tribal Warfare

10-01-2011, 05:12 PM

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 05:15 PM

I'm messing with yah, I'm in the same boat in wanting KC to get Luck. :rockon:

He would own this town. It would make building a winner so much easier having a QB like that. If Haley were to get fired and we do get the #1 pick, heck there would be coaches calling Pioli to whore themselves for the head coaching job.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 05:18 PM

milkman

10-01-2011, 05:22 PM

Yea your ability to spot talent is so much better: Jarron Giilbert, Jamon Meredith, etc to name a few.

Yeah, except I wasn't on the Gilbert bandwagon, and Jamon Meredith is a backup on a pretty good Giants O-Line.

I was, however, a big fan of the idea of drafting Andy Levitre, Eric Wood and Kraig Urbik when they were available, and they, along with Demetrius Bell and Eric Pears are playing about as well as any O-Line in the league right now.

Tribal Warfare

10-01-2011, 05:24 PM

He would own this town. It would make building a winner so much easier having a QB like that. If Haley were to get fired and we do get the #1 pick, heck there would be coaches calling Pioli to whore themselves for the head coaching job.

Hell,I may even change my avy and sig in homage to Luck when and if the Chiefs selects him. Man, ChiefsPlanet's servers will crash over the sheer awesomeness that would transpire also.

Tribal Warfare

10-01-2011, 05:25 PM

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhh622vyD01qdhs4t.gif

Hey milkman :D

milkman

10-01-2011, 05:25 PM

Exactly and him trying to discredit me on a personal beef is bullshit.

What personal beef?

I don't have anything against you.

I just don't think you're right very often.

Chiefs Pantalones

10-01-2011, 05:26 PM

I have to wonder if Harbaugh would jump ship.

lol #1 pick attracts a lot of interest. Pioli could get the coach of his choosing easily. If I were Luck I'd want to get picked by KC more than the other contenders for the pick. Charles, Bowe, Baldwin (potential is there, we don't know) Moeaki (if he can stay healthy), awesome fan base, etc. KC is by far the best place for Luck to end up. I don't think we'd contend right away, but a year or two later look out, IMO.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 05:28 PM

lol #1 pick attracts a lot of interest. Pioli could get the coach of his choosing easily. If I were Luck I'd want to get picked by KC more than the other contenders for the pick. Charles, Bowe, Baldwin (potential is there, we don't know) Moeaki (if he can stay healthy), awesome fan base, etc. KC is by far the best place for Luck to end up. I don't think we'd contend right away, but a year or two later look out, IMO.

I've already got a bet with my friend that IF we draft Luck we will go 11-5.

Yeah I'm that sure about him. And he doesn't even have to control the games at that point. We'd still be a running team first.

ForeverChiefs58

10-01-2011, 05:40 PM

I wonder if the new draft salary will affect how many go in the 1st?

Here is my Top 10 college QB prospects

Barkley
Moore
RG3
Lindley
Cousins
Keenum
Weeden
Foles
Jones
Luck

KChiefs1

10-01-2011, 05:41 PM

Luck is the best QB to come out since Peyton Manning.

Knob

10-01-2011, 05:50 PM

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 06:01 PM

I wonder if the new draft salary will affect how many go in the 1st?

Here is my Top 10 college QB prospects

Barkley
Moore
RG3
Lindley
Cousins
Keenum
Weeden
Foles
Jones
LuckDo you have these listed an any particular order?

'Hamas' Jenkins

10-01-2011, 06:01 PM

Foles is on his way to becoming this year's Jevean Snead.

ForeverChiefs58

10-01-2011, 06:04 PM

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 06:06 PM

Foles is on his way to becoming this year's Jevean Snead.

Never thought he was that good. He was overmatched in that Holiday Bowl a few years ago.

Ugly Duck

10-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Did you hear about what Buck did? I can't freakin' believe it - I used to like that guy!

ForeverChiefs58

10-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Do you have these listed an any particular order?

No, not at all. Just random.

Knob

10-01-2011, 06:13 PM

what did he do?

KurtCobain

10-01-2011, 06:16 PM

what did he do?

It was some sick shit.

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 06:19 PM

I have to wonder if Harbaugh would jump ship.NO MORE TRADING DRAFT PICKS FOR COACHES

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 06:20 PM

No, not at all. Just random.Ok. I saw Luck at the bottom and I was like, WTF? :)

sedated

10-01-2011, 06:27 PM

This wasn't meant to be yet another Luck love thread!

ForeverChiefs58

10-01-2011, 07:09 PM

Here are some highlights from a few prospects

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Tribal Warfare

10-01-2011, 07:33 PM

Kellen Moore is only other QB that I've seen in live game action that displayed true clutch play other than Luck in this draft class.

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 07:49 PM

Highlights are nice. I really like Barkley's to be honest. But Lowlights are what needs to be seen.

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 08:07 PM

Highlights are nice. I really like Barkley's to be honest. But Lowlights are what needs to be seen.
heh, no joke. Even Matt Cassel has highlights...

Smed1065

10-01-2011, 08:08 PM

BigMeatballDave

10-01-2011, 08:09 PM

I dont know if I want another Matt from USC.

Ebolapox

10-01-2011, 08:11 PM

kellen moore=ken dorsey

no thank you.

sedated

10-01-2011, 08:22 PM

Where does Russell Wilson go? 3rd rd?

CaliforniaChief

10-01-2011, 08:23 PM

Luck
RGIII
Barkley
Foles
L. Jones

Setsuna

10-01-2011, 09:20 PM

Russel Wilson

KCrockaholic

10-01-2011, 09:27 PM

kellen moore=ken dorsey

no thank you.

I don't see it.

Titty Meat

10-01-2011, 09:30 PM

What personal beef?

I don't have anything against you.

I just don't think you're right very often.

Like the time you said the Chiefs were going to beat the Lions?

ForeverChiefs58

10-01-2011, 09:39 PM

Rain Man

10-01-2011, 09:40 PM

Andrew Luck will go above the #1 pick. He'll actually rise to the middle of the sixth round of last year's draft.

jd1020

10-01-2011, 09:50 PM

I dont see more than 4 QB's being drafted in the first round, only 3 being locks. And Moore isn't close to a first round QB. He doesn't have the physical tools people look for in a QB. His stats will probably land him a mid round career backup draft pick.

Buehler445

10-01-2011, 10:48 PM

Where does Russell Wilson go? 3rd rd?

I saw his highlights on espn. Looked good. Anybody have any thoughts on him?

Frankie

10-01-2011, 10:55 PM

How do people feel about Dan Persa? I know he's going to be a 3rd round and later guy, but he's a very intriguing developmental prospect

We already HAVE a very intriguing developmental prospect. If only he would be activated for a game or two.

jd1020

10-01-2011, 10:59 PM

If it's not Luck/Jones/Barkley who gives a shit?

ChiefsCountry

10-01-2011, 11:28 PM

Its really just Luck and Barkley like it was all along.

Thig Lyfe

10-02-2011, 12:21 AM

Where does Russell Wilson go? 3rd rd?

Dude's been tearing shit up at Wisconsin, but I have heard jackpoop about his pro prospects. That being said, I'd be willing to trade out of the #1 to get him and a few right tackles.

Nightfyre

10-02-2011, 02:08 AM

My current top 5:

1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Weeden
4) Barkley
5) Jones

chiefzilla1501

10-02-2011, 02:29 AM

Dude's been tearing shit up at Wisconsin, but I have heard jackpoop about his pro prospects. That being said, I'd be willing to trade out of the #1 to get him and a few right tackles.

Even shorter than Kellen Moore.

oRYMANo

10-02-2011, 06:04 AM

My Top 7:

1. Andrew Luck (Overall best Qb)
2. Ryan Lindley (Excellent pro-style qb)
3. Case Keenum (Accurate keeps plays alive, Decent scrambler)
4. Dominque Davis (Big Arm! Pretty Accurate Bigger Warren Moon)
5. Brandon Weeden (Good smart player, struggles with passes in middle, Good arm)
6. Kellen Moore ( Small but tough, Hangs in pocket well and is very accurate)
7. Nick Foles (Big Qb, Good arm, Slow Release, Reminds me of Kerry Collins)

Hammock Parties

10-02-2011, 06:19 AM

Foles looks too much like Jon Heder for my tastes. Too many Napoleon Dynamite jokes.

Hammock Parties

10-02-2011, 06:20 AM

http://claribells.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/blades-of-glory-20070329042750512.jpg

http://www.fantasycollegeblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nick-Foles.jpg

ILChief

10-02-2011, 07:02 AM

Luck
Barkley
Foles
Jones

forget anyone else. If it's not one of the above, go with Stanzi

notorious

10-02-2011, 07:15 AM

Luck is the only one that I believe has "IT".

No to Jones, and Barkley. Kellen Moore looks pretty smooth, but can he compete against the big-boys week in and out? I don't know enough about Foles.

ForeverChiefs58

10-02-2011, 10:23 AM

I saw his highlights on espn. Looked good. Anybody have any thoughts on him?

Loves the QB option, and to take the ball and run because he is great at it.

Here is a video of him, the quality sucks but you get the idea.

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Frankie

10-02-2011, 11:49 PM

Joe Seahawk

10-03-2011, 12:17 AM

If you suck for a couple years you might be able to nab Keith Price..

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/482599/keith-price

oRYMANo

10-03-2011, 12:45 AM

If you suck for a couple years you might be able to nab Keith Price..

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/482599/keith-price

Brock Osweiler, a big ass Phillip Rivers

oRYMANo

10-03-2011, 12:51 AM

Sorry, you missed Matt Barkley.

8. Matt Barkley
9. Robert Griffin
10. Russell Wilson

Joe Seahawk

10-03-2011, 12:57 AM

I kind of want to see what Nick Montana can do. He looked great in spring ball.

http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/montana_nick00.html

tredadda

10-03-2011, 05:59 AM

1. Luck

2. Barkley
3. Moore
4. Jones
5. Foles

Nightfyre

10-04-2011, 09:54 PM

My current top 5:

1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Weeden
4) Barkley
5) Jones

Okay, in fairness to me, I didn't realize Weeden was 28 at the time. After reviewing additional footage my rankings:

1) Luck for reasons obvious. Best QB prospect in history?
2) RG3 has the arm strength and accuracy for the NFL. His stats are inflated by that bubblescreen offense they run. To me, his mobility is just a bonus. Needs to improve pocket presence just a little.
3) Jones has the arm strength, accuracy could improve, but he is also difficult to assess because he has so much talent around him.

I don't really care for any of the others.
Lindley is a project we don't have time for.
Weeden is 28. Otherwise he'd be my number three.
Barkley is Cassel part II, imo. Doesn't have an NFL arm, makes poor decisions under pressure, lack of pocket presence.
I haven't really seen Foles throw downfield.

xztop12

10-04-2011, 11:47 PM

is thee any way in hell pioli drafts RG 3 if he keeps playing like this and he projects where we are picking

lostcause

10-05-2011, 02:08 AM

I'm all about getting on the RG3 train as the luckmobile rolls out of town.

Red Dawg

10-05-2011, 04:31 AM

He would own this town. It would make building a winner so much easier having a QB like that. If Haley were to get fired and we do get the #1 pick, heck there would be coaches calling Pioli to whore themselves for the head coaching job.

I want it bad but no way in hell do we get the one pick. Miami is a train wreck for instance. We have a good chance to destroy Indy this week and probably will thus putting us out of the race. My big fear is that Denver may get him and that would really piss me off.

Reerun_KC

10-05-2011, 10:12 AM

Luck is the only one that I believe has "IT".

No to Jones, and Barkley. Kellen Moore looks pretty smooth, but can he compete against the big-boys week in and out? I don't know enough about Foles.

Well he does well when they play them in college...

Otter

10-05-2011, 10:16 AM

USC QBs haven't fared very well in NFL with the Sanchez chapter still waiting to be written but I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about Barkley.

suds79

10-05-2011, 10:21 AM

Dude's been tearing shit up at Wisconsin, but I have heard jackpoop about his pro prospects. That being said, I'd be willing to trade out of the #1 to get him and a few right tackles.

He's 5'11

Think Seneca Wallace.

suds79

10-05-2011, 10:23 AM

Luck
RGIII
Barkley
Foles
L. Jones

This.

milkman

10-05-2011, 10:24 AM

USC QBs haven't fared very well in NFL with the Sanchez chapter still waiting to be written but I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about Barkley.

Jeff Tedford coached prospects didn't fare well in the NFL either.

Frankie

10-05-2011, 11:05 AM

USC QBs haven't fared very well in NFL with the Sanchez chapter still waiting to be written but I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about Barkley.

:facepalm:

With all due respect, dude, this is exactly the kind of baseless reasoning that is prevalent on the CP that I can't understand.

Is it in the campus water? Is it a single HC and his system that has been there for decades? What is it? Each QB should be evaluated on tape rather than what school he played for.