Gif'd Up - Chiefs vs Vikings AKA Cassel Throws Angry

[Hammock Parties]

oh, herro!

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[007]

finally.

[Red Dawg]

That was super sweet and good on Matt for making a good throw for once.

[Hammock Parties]

finally.

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[007]

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Just giving ya some shit. I know you need more time on games not available in your area.

[Hammock Parties]

Just giving ya some shit. I know you need more time on games not available in your area.

Ha, I get all the games man. I just had a lot of shit to do this weekend and did not cap the game.

[Hammock Parties]

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[Hammock Parties]

You still suck, Cassel.

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[Hammock Parties]

You still suck, Cassel.

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[Red Dawg]

Jim Zorn has really earned his money. Matt has been worse than ever.

[007]

You still suck, Cassel.

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That play pissed me off. He was right in front of his face.

[BigMeatballDave]

Jim Zorn has really earned his money. Matt has been worse than ever.

Too much shit, not enough salad.

[Hammock Parties]

biggity BAM!

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[Hammock Parties]

sweet moves bro

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[Hammock Parties]

Looked to me like he can avoid the rusher and get it to McCluster. :shrug:

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[Hammock Parties]

"Yeah, well you're a fucking bag"

or something that sounds like rag :shrug:

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[bevischief]

Looked to me like he can avoid the rusher and get it to McCluster. :shrug:

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Zorn has been a great help...:banghead::cuss:

[InChiefsHeaven]

It's cuz Dex is only like 4 feet tall...Or Cassel is blind...or a combination...

[InChiefsHeaven]

"Yeah, well you're a ****ing bag"

or something that sounds like rag :shrug:

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It looks like he's saying "That's to fucking fast" as in, you got rid of the ball too soon.

[Messier]

I know we're in full Cassel sucks mode, but he threw one of the best passes I've ever seen him throw. The deep pass to Breaston where he was covered underneath and over the top and Cassel dropped it in perfectly.

[InChiefsHeaven]

The pass in the OP was right in stride...bet that's why Bowe bobbled it. He was shocked I tell you! SHOCKED!

[Hammock Parties]

Cassel could have took off and run to his left.

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[Hammock Parties]

Lip readers?

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[Hammock Parties]

Looked to me like Haley was being reasonable until Cassel blew him off.

Little bitch.

[Tribal Warfare]

Looked to me like Haley was being reasonable until Cassel blew him off.

Little bitch.

Haley nailed it, he's a weak minded pussy.

[cookster50]

I must say, this is becoming a thread I look forward to. Whodathunkit?

[Hammock Parties]

Like a parent to his stupid child.

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[BigRock]

Lip readers?

Before Cassel storms off, I can make out the words "Smell this finger", "from the Cigar Box", and then "No, it smells like YOU".

[Marcellus]

I know Cassel calls Haley a Pussy as he is putting his hat on.

[Goldmember]

"Yeah, well you're a fucking bag"

or something that sounds like rag :shrug:

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"your wife's fat"

[the Talking Can]

Looked to me like he can avoid the rusher and get it to McCluster. :shrug:

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jesus christ, he has plenty of time and space to make a play here and he just gives up...

his natural instinct is to be a stupid aids loving pussy

[Hammock Parties]

That is one dumb fucking sack. Well done, dumbass!

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[SAUTO]

I know Cassel calls Haley a Pussy as he is putting his hat on.

i disagree, i think he says you arent going to call me a pussy, fuck that

[Hammock Parties]

Yep, throw it to McCluster for a half-yard gain with McClain WIDE OPEN in the left flat. GENIOUS!

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[Demonpenz]

I don't mind cassel spiking that ball he just threw a dumbass INT on a screen last week. No more screens. That sack with Jarred Allen sucks becuase he was out of hte pocket

[SAUTO]

Yep, throw it to McCluster for a half-yard gain with McClain WIDE OPEN in the left flat. GENIOUS!

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mccluster looked pretty open there too...

[Hammock Parties]

mccluster looked pretty open there too...

So open that he gained negative 1/2 yard on the play.

[SAUTO]

So open that he gained negative 1/2 yard on the play.

dude be reasonable here, look at the picture.


mcclain and mccluster are at almost the same yard line.

the defenders are 2 yards farther downfield on mcclains side of the field.


if mcclain is open so is mccluster

[Hammock Parties]

dude be reasonable here, look at the picture.


mcclain and mccluster are at almost the same yard line.

the defenders are 2 yards farther downfield on mcclains side of the field.


if mcclain is open so is mccluster

McCluster is not open for a gain. There is a defender offscreen waiting to tackle him as soon as he reaches the line of scrimmage.

Imagine a corner sitting near the line of scrimmage on McClain's side....you would not throw it to him.

[FAX]

The bottom line on Mattaboy is that he has no field awareness. He panics or something.

He can't see the field. Can't make decisions under fire. Doesn't know who or where his options are. Considering his age and NFL experience, it's inexcusable behavior, really.

As for the "episode" on the sideline. Haley looks composed (under the circumstances) until Cassel starts mouthing off. To me, he just looks like a coach who is trying to coach a player. Then Cassel's panties get all tight and Cassel throws a hissy fit.

Cassel is a moron, man.

I wonder what sponsors his sense of entitlement?

FAX

[SAUTO]

McCluster is not open for a gain. There is a defender offscreen waiting to tackle him as soon as he reaches the line of scrimmage.

Imagine a corner sitting near the line of scrimmage on McClain's side....you would not throw it to him.

well i dont have to imagine the LB standing at the 32 yards line watching mcclain waiting to drive on him as soon as the ball heads his way, I can see it.

like i said be reasonable.

[Deberg_1990]

sweet moves bro

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heh, the McBuster 360 spin move makes me ROFL every time. That only works in Madden.

[SAUTO]

heh, the McBuster 360 spin move makes me ROFL every time. That only works in Madden.

it worked for him in the 49er game for a td last year though didnt it?

[Chiefnj2]

Yep, throw it to McCluster for a half-yard gain with McClain WIDE OPEN in the left flat. GENIOUS!

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By the time he turned around and looked at McClain two defenders would be on him, let alone begin his arm motion to throw the ball.

[FAX]

well i dont have to imagine the LB standing at the 32 yards line watching mcclain waiting to drive on him as soon as the ball heads his way, I can see it.

like i said be reasonable.

If I'm counting correctly, we're missing 3 defenders in that shot ... and 2 Chiefs.

They have to be on the "camera side" of the shot ... or real deep.

I figure somebody is covering the deep receiver, so that leaves 2 defenders ... one of which is probably a safety.

Given that, it kinda makes sense that there's somebody eyeballing McCluster on that play that isn't visible.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

well i dont have to imagine the LB standing at the 32 yards line watching mcclain waiting to drive on him as soon as the ball heads his way, I can see it.

like i said be reasonable.

If Cassel had any sense of where his receivers are and where the defenders are on the field, McClain is a far better option. He would not have been tackled for a loss as McCluster was.

Cassel sucks, as this gif shows:

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[FAX]

By the time he turned around and looked at McClain two defenders would be on him, let alone begin his arm motion to throw the ball.

Yeah, I agree.

Before Cassel can re-adjust and re-target, the backer would be closing fast.

FAX

[SAUTO]

If I'm counting correctly, we're missing 3 defenders in that shot ... and 2 Chiefs.

They have to be on the "camera side" of the shot ... or real deep.

I figure somebody is covering the deep receiver, so that leaves 2 defenders ... one of which is probably a safety.

Given that, it kinda makes sense that there's somebody eyeballing McCluster on that play that isn't visible.

FAX

well we can see a wr and a cb at the 40 JUST BARELY, so the safeties are missing and a wr must be deep...


still doesnt change the fact that there is a lb watching mcclain ready to drive on him, and isnt it reasonable to assume the wr at the 40 should block the cb?

[Hammock Parties]

well we can see a wr and a cb at the 40 JUST BARELY, so the safeties are missing and a wr must be deep...


still doesnt change the fact that there is a lb watching mcclain ready to drive on him, and isnt it reasonable to assume the wr at the 40 should block the cb?

It doesn't matter. McClain would not have been tackled for a half-yard loss. There was a corner on McCluster immediately. There is no corner on McClain's side of the field.

[SAUTO]

If Cassel had any sense of where his receivers are and where the defenders are on the field, McClain is a far better option. He would not have been tackled for a loss as McCluster was.



mcclain would have had to catch the ball and get upfield faster than the LB could make up almost the same amount of ground to make the tackle.

the CB that most likely made the tackle on dex probably should have been blocked by the WR he was covering.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah, I agree.

Before Cassel can re-adjust and re-target, the backer would be closing fast.

FAX

That also doesn't matter. Because the linebacker on McCluster's side of the field is actually closer to McCluster, and had the linebacker had to make the play, McCluster would have gained yards.

The corner was closer than the linebacker, and that was why McCluster lost half a yard.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO you already said mccluster gained a half yard, not good but not a loss either, and mcclain would have had to catch the ball and get upfield faster than the LB could make up almost the same amount of ground to make the tackle.

the CB that most likely made the tackle on dex probably should have been blocked by the WR he was covering.

I was wrong. He lost half a yard. Go fuck yourself.

[Chiefnj2]

If Cassel had any sense of where his receivers are and where the defenders are on the field, McClain is a far better option. He would not have been tackled for a loss as McCluster was.

Cassel sucks, as this gif shows:

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Could it be the two OL and two DL were in his throwing lane to Pope?

[Hammock Parties]

Could it be the two OL and two DL were in his throwing lane to Pope?

No, shut the fuck up.

[SAUTO]

That also doesn't matter. Because the linebacker on McCluster's side of the field is actually closer to McCluster, and had the linebacker had to make the play, McCluster would have gained yards.

The corner was closer than the linebacker, and that was why McCluster lost half a yard.

shouldnt the wr who started the play out IN BETWEEN mccluster and the cb have made a BLOCK?

[Hammock Parties]

shouldnt the wr who started the play out IN BETWEEN mccluster and the cb have made a BLOCK?

No way of knowing.

Occam's razor says Cassel is a dumbass, and so is anyone who tries to defend him.

[FAX]

well we can see a wr and a cb at the 40 JUST BARELY, so the safeties are missing and a wr must be deep...


still doesnt change the fact that there is a lb watching mcclain ready to drive on him, and isnt it reasonable to assume the wr at the 40 should block the cb?

Maybe my picture thing isn't working too well. That little thing on the 40 looks like the top of a headset, to me.

Anyhow, the WR is probably too deep to block for McCluster (just a guess, though) ... unless, of course, he deploys the crack-back which would have resulted in a penalty forcing us out of FG range and costing us the game. The backer on the 34 is already closing on McCluster. The other backer (on McClain's side) looks like he's ready to give up a touchdown.

It's easy to cherry pick any given play ... hindsight being what it is and all. But, if you want to play that game, McClain does look like the better option in this case ... to me, anyhow.

Problem is, we're just looking at a photo ... we're not in the heat of battle with sweat in our eyes and pee running down our leg into our shoe.

FAX

[Chiefnj2]

No, shut the **** up.

Sure they are.

[SAUTO]

No way of knowing.

Occam's razor says Cassel is a dumbass, and so is anyone who tries to defend him.

what do you mean no way of knowing?

on a swing pass its the WRs job to block his defender.

we all know that.

the wr starts EVERY play out in between the cb and the backfield.

he should have made the block.

[Hammock Parties]

Sure they are.

Not at all. You fucking idiot.

[Hammock Parties]

what do you mean no way of knowing?

on a swing pass its the WRs job to block his defender.

we all know that.

the wr starts EVERY play out in between the cb and the backfield.

he should have made the block.

Get the fuck out of my thread.

[SAUTO]

Maybe my picture thing isn't working too well. That little thing on the 40 looks like the top of a headset, to me.

Anyhow, the WR is probably too deep to block for McCluster (just a guess, though) ... unless, of course, he deploys the crack-back which would have resulted in a penalty forcing us out of FG range and costing us the game. The backer on the 34 is already closing on McCluster. The other backer (on McClain's side) looks like he's ready to give up a touchdown.

It's easy to cherry pick any given play ... hindsight being what it is and all. But, if you want to play that game, McClain does look like the better option in this case ... to me, anyhow.

Problem is, we're just looking at a photo ... we're not in the heat of battle with sweat in our eyes and pee running down our leg into our shoe.

FAX

looks like the top of a purple helmet to me and something just to the left of it.

and the LB standing at the 32 at the top of the picture who has never left his stance looks like he's just waiting for the ball to go to mcclain.

look again fax

[Chiefnj2]

Not at all. You ****ing idiot.

They are. They are blocking his view of Pope.

[Hammock Parties]

They are. They are blocking his view of Pope.

Absolutely not. He is 6-8 and 20 yards down the field.

[SAUTO]

if those arent helmets at the bottom of the picture there are chiefs coaches standing on the field.

[SAUTO]

Get the fuck out of my thread.

why? because i have made sense here and someone making sense always makes you look like an idiot?

[milkman]

Sure they are.

No actually they aren't.

Pope's route takes him behind Bowe into the same lane that Cassel makes the throw.

A good throw with zip gets to Pope.

Howeve, if the ball takes time to get to him, the safety over the top has a chance to make a play.

Given that it's Cassel, and not a real QB, that pass to Bowe was a good decision.

[Chiefnj2]

Absolutely not. He is 6-8 and 20 yards down the field.

13 yards down the field when he's beginning his throw. I suppose all the OL and DL are under 6 foot.

[Hammock Parties]

why? because i have made sense here and someone making sense always makes you look like an idiot?

Because you are making up shit about players you can't even see.

[FAX]

Okay. I zoomed in super close to that tiny thing on the 40. I think it's the very tip top of an official's hat.

We need another angle.

FAX

[SAUTO]

Because you are making up shit about players you can't even see.

what did i make up?

look at the picture, you can see the helmets.


why dont you gif up the whole play and we will see.

[FAX]

if those arent helmets at the bottom of the picture there are chiefs coaches standing on the field.

You crazy white boy.

The lower right corner of that photo is really close to the near sideline.

You can use a ruler to measure from the hash marks. Or a laser device of some kind. Or an atomic clock with infra-red grid analysis capability.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

what did i make up?

look at the picture, you can see the helmets.


Don't be a fucking idiot, you can't see what the wide receiver or corner on that side of the ball are doing.

I am not gifing the entire fucking play for your dumb ass, get the fuck out.

[milkman]

what do you mean no way of knowing?

on a swing pass its the WRs job to block his defender.

we all know that.

the wr starts EVERY play out in between the cb and the backfield.

he should have made the block.


You can't see the WR and CB, but the first responsibility of teh WR is to sell his route.

That usually involves the WR getting ahead of the CB, and leaves him out of position to make a block that quickly.

The QB's responsibility is to sell the idea that he's looking downfield.

Cassel almost always fails to sell it.

It's highly probable that the WR never has the chance to make a block.

[SAUTO]

Okay. I zoomed in super close to that tiny thing on the 40. I think it's the very tip top of an official's hat.

We need another angle.

FAX

could be but if the CB is farther downfield how did he tackle dex for a loss?


and what is to the direct left of that spot?

if clay would gif up the whole play we would know.

i'm doubting he will though, so i will check my dvr tonight.

[SAUTO]

Don't be a fucking idiot, you can't see what the wide receiver or corner on that side of the ball are doing.

I am not gifing the entire fucking play for your dumb ass, get the fuck out.

i'm betting that because you know it would prove you wrong

[Hammock Parties]

could be but if the CB is farther downfield how did he tackle dex for a loss?


and what is to the direct left of that spot?

if clay would gif up the whole play we would know.

i'm doubting he will though, so i will check my dvr tonight.

MCCLAIN IS WIDE THE FUCK OPEN YOU IDIOT WITH NO ONE WITHIN 15 YARDS, THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE

[FAX]

MCCLAIN IS WIDE THE **** OPEN YOU IDIOT WITH NO ONE WITHIN 15 YARDS, THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE

Yes, but what if there was somebody wearing the cloak of invisibility over there?

Got a shot of that?

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[SAUTO]

MCCLAIN IS WIDE THE FUCK OPEN YOU IDIOT WITH NO ONE WITHIN 15 YARDS, THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE

lol

mcclain is 8 yards from the LOS


the LB at the 32 is 7 yards from the LOS.

[Hammock Parties]

i'm betting that because you know it would prove you wrong

ALRIGHT ASSHOLE, YOU ASKED FOR IT.

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THE CORNER IS OBVIOUSLY LETTING THE RECEIVER GO DEEP AND PLAYING THE FUCKING FLAT.

THERE IS NO CORNER PLAYING THE FLAT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

GO FUCK YOURSELF.

[SAUTO]

ALRIGHT ASSHOLE, YOU ASKED FOR IT.

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THE CORNER IS OBVIOUSLY LETTING THE RECEIVER GO DEEP AND PLAYING THE FUCKING FLAT.

THERE IS NO CORNER PLAYING THE FLAT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

GO FUCK YOURSELF.

the LB plays the flat on the other side.

again mcclain is 8 yards from the los and the LB at the 32 is 7.

mcclain is as open as mccluster was.

[Hammock Parties]

The LB is in the middle of the goddamn field.

There is no corner on the other side so obviously you are full of shit.

[SAUTO]

really the whole play was fucked.

no one had much of a chance to gain any yards.

yet it turns into a reason to bash cassel.

[Hammock Parties]

really the whole play was fucked.

no one had much of a chance to gain any yards.

yet it turns into a reason to bash cassel.

Yeah, because he threw to the wrong guy.

Now shut the fuck up.

[milkman]

Even with that, the promary reason that play doesn't work is because Cassel turns then throws.

A good QB turns while in the throwing motion.

[FAX]

Okay. That makes sense. The corner lets the receiver go because he has safety help over the top. Then, he comes back to make the play.

Meanwhile, Cassel's pass take about 7 minutes to arrive at McCluster's position who has to jump for the ball anyhow. Perhaps if McCluster could have taken the ball out in front a little, he could have built up a little momentum and juked the corner. Or, maybe if Cassel had run with the ball, he could have broken his sternum which would solve all our problems.

FAX

[SAUTO]

The LB is in the middle of the goddamn field.

There is no corner on the other side so obviously you are full of shit.


no corner on mcclains side?

you are wrong there


and the lb is standing there watching where the ball is going, is closer to the LOS than mcclain, is going to drive on the ball as soon as its thrown and probably have a chance to tackle mcclain at the LOS.

just like what happened to mccluster

[SAUTO]

Yeah, because he threw to the wrong guy.

Now shut the fuck up.

mcclain wasnt the right guy either.


look at the play.

the cb on mcclains side already was pulling off his WR

molioth even asked about it in the post he deleted.

he was talking about the wr and realized that he had safety help over the top.

look at your picture again

[Chiefnj2]

ALRIGHT ASSHOLE, YOU ASKED FOR IT.

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THE CORNER IS OBVIOUSLY LETTING THE RECEIVER GO DEEP AND PLAYING THE ****ING FLAT.

THERE IS NO CORNER PLAYING THE FLAT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

GO **** YOURSELF.

He's reading the field from left to right. He gets touched as soon as he throws the ball. He doesn't have time to go anywhere else with it.

[FAX]

no corner on mcclains side?

you are wrong there


and the lb is standing there watching where the ball is going, is closer to the LOS than mcclain, is going to drive on the ball as soon as its thrown and probably have a chance to tackle mcclain at the LOS.

just like what happened to mccluster

Back vs backer is a better match-up than back/receiver/utility dude vs corner.

With all respect, I think we should face the fact that Cassel took the wrong play here. I imagine, though, that McCluster was his first option since he doesn't seem to look for a play anywhere else on the field.

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[SAUTO]

Yep, throw it to McCluster for a half-yard gain with McClain WIDE OPEN in the left flat. GENIOUS!

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see the corner on mcclains side that you have said wasnt there?

see the lb waiting on the ball to go to mcclain?


a pass to mcclain has a very good possibility to go for no gain.


sorry if that doesnt fit your agenda clay.

[Hammock Parties]

I just realized, SAUTO, you've literally never posted shit on this board I would want to read. Goodbye.

[FAX]

He's reading the field from left to right. He gets touched as soon as he throws the ball. He doesn't have time to go anywhere else with it.

Where do you see all this "reading" stuff?

His head is pointed downfield ... no time for anything to develop there ... and immediately goes to McCluster. I don't see a whole lot of "reading" going on in that play.

FAX

[SAUTO]

Back vs backer is a better match-up than back/receiver/utility dude vs corner.

With all respect, I think we should face the fact that Cassel took the wrong play here. I imagine, though, that McCluster was his first option since he doesn't seem to look for a play anywhere else on the field.

FAX

we are talking about our fullback here.

one that hasnt gotten many touches this year, for whatever reason.

if we were talking about charles here i would agree with you fax.

[SAUTO]

I just realized, SAUTO, you've literally never posted shit on this board I would want to read. Goodbye.

goodbye

[Chiefnj2]

Where do you see all this "reading" stuff?

His head is pointed downfield ... no time for anything to develop there ... and immediately goes to McCluster. I don't see a whole lot of "reading" going on in that play.

FAX

He looks at Pope, looks at the receiver (I presume Bowe) and then goes to the checkdown.

[FAX]

He looks at Pope, looks at the receiver (I presume Bowe) and then goes to the checkdown.

Hmmm.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

He looks at Pope, looks at the receiver (I presume Bowe) and then goes to the checkdown.

Bullshit. He never looked at Pope.

[FAX]

Eye of the beholder stuff, I guess.

FAX

[milkman]

see the corner on mcclains side that you have said wasnt there?

see the lb waiting on the ball to go to mcclain?


a pass to mcclain has a very good possibility to go for no gain.


sorry if that doesnt fit your agenda clay.

You are wrong on this Jason.

That play was clearly designed to go to McCluster, and Cassel never sells the idea that he's going anywhere else.

While the LB on McClain's side of the field has a chance to make a play and stop it for no gain, there's a better chance that McClain makes soemthing out of it than McCluster has on his side of the field.

[Chiefnj2]

Bullshit. He never looked at Pope.

You can't be this dumb. In your clip he starts off looking at Pope. You can even see the LLB (right on the screen) try to read Cassel's eyes and he makes a move toward Pope.

[SAUTO]

The LB is in the middle of the goddamn field.

There is no corner on the other side so obviously you are full of shit.

lol in the picture there is a cb on the other side of the field

[milkman]

see the corner on mcclains side that you have said wasnt there?

see the lb waiting on the ball to go to mcclain?


a pass to mcclain has a very good possibility to go for no gain.


sorry if that doesnt fit your agenda clay.

That corner is deeper that the corner on McCluster's side.

And anyone that watches that play and thinks that Cassel is reading the defense is a fucking moron.

[SAUTO]

You are wrong on this Jason.

That play was clearly designed to go to McCluster, and Cassel never sells the idea that he's going anywhere else.

While the LB on McClain's side of the field has a chance to make a play and stop it for no gain, there's a better chance that McClain makes soemthing out of it than McCluster has on his side of the field.

why is there a better chance that mcclain would make a play to make a lb miss?

has he shown that ability this year so far?

[milkman]

You can't be this dumb. In your clip he starts off looking at Pope. You can even see the LLB (right on the screen) try to read Cassel's eyes and he makes a move toward Pope.

You're a fucking moron.

He's not looking at anything but space.

[Hammock Parties]

FYI, I'm posting angry now.

[SAUTO]

That corner is deeper that the corner on McCluster's side.

And anyone that watches that play and thinks that Cassel is reading the defense is a fucking moron.

never said cassel read the defense.

just said that a pass to mcclain has the probability of ending up just like the pass to mccluster, read back through my posts.

[FAX]

You can't be this dumb. In your clip he starts off looking at Pope. You can even see the LLB (right on the screen) try to read Cassel's eyes and he makes a move toward Pope.

Not to be argumentative or anything, Mr. Chiefnj2, but you have to imagine this happening in "real time". To me, at least, it doesn't appear that Cassel is "reading" anything at all. Pope is in the middle of the field (where Cassel's head is turned), but he isn't "reading" that.

My guess is that, in this play, it's Cassel's job to try and "look off" the defense, then throw the rock to McCluster in the flat. Anything more than that and I think we're "reading" more into this than is actually there.

FAX

[SAUTO]

That corner is deeper that the corner on McCluster's side.



true but clay also said that there wasnt a cb on that side of the field.

[RealSNR]

What's Sauto's thought process here?

Cassel made a bad decision?

INCONCEIVABLE!

[Chiefnj2]

Not to be argumentative or anything, Mr. Chiefnj2, but you have to imagine this happening in "real time". To me, at least, it doesn't appear that Cassel is "reading" anything at all. Pope is in the middle of the field (where Cassel's head is turned), but he isn't "reading" that.

My guess is that, in this play, it's Cassel's job to try and "look off" the defense, then throw the rock to McCluster in the flat. Anything more than that and I think we're "reading" more into this than is actually there.

FAX

I see him look straight ahead when the clip starts. Pope is sitting straight in front of him. I see a small hop in his footwork where he turns slightly to the right (in the direction where it appears Bowe has run) then he turns and passes to Dex.

[SAUTO]

Not to be argumentative or anything, Mr. Chiefnj2, but you have to imagine this happening in "real time". To me, at least, it doesn't appear that Cassel is "reading" anything at all. Pope is in the middle of the field (where Cassel's head is turned), but he isn't "reading" that.

My guess is that, in this play, it's Cassel's job to try and "look off" the defense, then throw the rock to McCluster in the flat. Anything more than that and I think we're "reading" more into this than is actually there.

FAX

i agree with this, he tried to look off the d. thats all.

that ball wasnt going anywhere else. but a pass to mcclain probably ends up the same.


thats my whole argument.

[SAUTO]

What's Sauto's thought process here?

Cassel made a bad decision?

INCONCEIVABLE!

i have explained it multiple times.

i dont like cassel anymore than most here at this point.

but lets bash him for actual reasons, not some made up shit.

the play was designed to go to mccluster.

a pass to mcclain in a probability doesnt do anything different.

a no gain play.

[milkman]

why is there a better chance that mcclain would make a play to make a lb miss?

has he shown that ability this year so far?

Becasue the corner on McCluster's side didn't follow the receiver on his route, while the corner on McClain's side did.

McCluster has to elude the corner, while still finding space to run before away from the LB who is right there.

McClain would have only had to elude (or run over) the backer and had time to set up the corner, who was not as close to the play as the LB on the other side.

[FAX]

I see him look straight ahead when the clip starts. Pope is sitting straight in front of him. I see a small hop in his footwork where he turns slightly to the right (in the direction where it appears Bowe has run) then he turns and passes to Dex.

I see all that, too.

This, I think, is where bias creeps into the discussion. To me (as I said), this looks like a deal where Cassel is supposed to "look off" the enemy D, then throw to McCluster. Designed play. First option.

I don't think he's going through "reads" here. I don't think he has the time, frankly.

FAX

[milkman]

never said cassel read the defense.

just said that a pass to mcclain has the probability of ending up just like the pass to mccluster, read back through my posts.

That second sentence in my post was directed to nj.

[SAUTO]

Becasue the corner on McCluster's side didn't follow the receiver on his route, while the corner on McClain's side did.

McCluster has to elude the corner, while still finding space to run before away from the LB who is right there.

McClain would have only had to elude (or run over) the backer and had time to set up the corner, who was not as close to the play as the LB on the other side.

so you are bettig on mcclain making a lb miss or just running over him over mccluster making a cb miss?

seems like even odds to me.


neither have shown that ability to this point this season

[SAUTO]

That second sentence in my post was directed to nj.

i know, i was just trying to explain my "thought process" lol

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[milkman]

true but clay also said that there wasnt a cb on that side of the field.

This is a case where you're arguing the poster and (essentailly) semantics.

It's pretty clear that a pass to McClain has a better chance to pick up a couple of yards.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It wouldn't have mattered either way. That play was going nowhere. Throwing the ball away nets the same result. It is nice having a "God's view" of the play though.

[milkman]

so you are bettig on mcclain making a lb miss or just running over him over mccluster making a cb miss?

seems like even odds to me.


neither have shown that ability to this point this season

No.

I'm betting McCluster is going to get hit for no gain by the LB even if he makes the CB miss, while McClain has a better chance to pick up a couple yards before the CB has time to give support to the LB on that side.

[Hammock Parties]

It wouldn't have mattered either way. That play was going nowhere. Throwing the ball away nets the same result. It is nice having a "God's view" of the play though.

Considering the Chiefs were in the 2-minute drill, and McClain could have gotten out of bounds, it was a horrible play by Cassel.

In fact, there were 59 seconds left in the half.

Terrible.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Considering the Chiefs were in the 2-minute drill, and McClain could have gotten out of bounds, it was a horrible play by Cassel.

Well, there is an angle I hadn't considered. I had forgotten the situation the play took place in.

[FAX]

... Throwing the ball away nets the same result. ...

ROFL

True.

Which reminds me ... Haley made a big damn deal about "negative" plays last year. We had a ton of them ... especially near the beginning of the season.

These are exactly the kinds of plays that cause that problem, too. I don't see a lot of other teams running these ... whatever they are ... naked screens? Flat passes? Swings? Whatever.

Regardless, this seems like a stupid play, to me. I don't think Charles could makes something out of this.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

Cassel took a horrible sack instead of throwing the ball away, and then dumped it for a half-yard loss on back to back plays.

The Chiefs had a first down at midfield with 1:15 left before those two plays, and instead they settle for a 51-yard field goal.

Anyone who defends Cassel is an enemy of the franchise.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

ROFL

True.

Which reminds me ... Haley made a big damn deal about "negative" plays last year. We had a ton of them ... especially near the beginning of the season.

These are exactly the kinds of plays that cause that problem, too. I don't see a lot of other teams running these ... whatever they are ... naked screens? Flat passes? Swings? Whatever.

Regardless, this seems like a stupid play, to me. I don't think Charles could makes something out of this.

FAX

They are actually very common plays. I have the ticket and watch more football than I should and see them all the friggin time. Chiefs run fewer "bubbles" than most I would venture.

[SAUTO]

This is a case where you're arguing the poster and (essentailly) semantics.

It's pretty clear that a pass to McClain has a better chance to pick up a couple of yards.

i would have argued with anyone that said that.

they both have the same chance IMO.

no gain on the play.

[Hammock Parties]

Holy shit, it's even worse. They had a first down at the 33-yard line.

1-10-MIN33 (1:09) 7-M.Cassel sacked at MIN 39 for -6 yards (69-J.Allen).
Timeout #1 by KC at 00:59.

2-16-MIN 39
(:59) 7-M.Cassel pass short right to 22-D.McCluster to MIN 39 for no gain (26-A.Winfield).

3-16-MIN 39
(:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short middle to 22-D.McCluster to MIN 33 for 6 yards (26-A.Winfield).

Die, Cassel. Die.

[FAX]

They are actually very common plays. I have the ticket and watch more football than I should and see them all the friggin time.

I don't know ... you probably watch more NFL football than I do, so I defer to your opinion. But, it seems to me that other teams don't run this type of thing as often as the Chiefs.

FAX

[Three7s]

I can't believe there is an arguement going on over what would've gained no yards and what would've gained, at most, 2 yards for over 4 pages.

JFC

[Chiefnj2]

I see all that, too.

This, I think, is where bias creeps into the discussion. To me (as I said), this looks like a deal where Cassel is supposed to "look off" the enemy D, then throw to McCluster. Designed play. First option.

I don't think he's going through "reads" here. I don't think he has the time, frankly.

FAX

Then his "look off" worked to a degree because he had three Viking players descending on Pope.

What I do know is that all the screens and dumps off the flat are largely ineffective this year and Muir should have picked up on it by now.

[FAX]

I can't believe there is an arguement going on over what would've gained no yards and what would've gained, at most, 2 yards for over 4 pages.

JFC

Just breakin' it down.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

I can't believe there is an arguement going on over what would've gained no yards and what would've gained, at most, 2 yards for over 4 pages.

JFC

Blame Sauto for defending another dumbass decision by Cassel.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I don't know ... you probably watch more NFL football than I do, so I defer to your opinion. But, it seems to me that other teams don't run this type of thing as often as the Chiefs.

FAX

Well, TBH many teams use the bubble screen to the wideout more than the Chiefs. The Chiefs probably throw as many of the little flares to the backs as much as anyone, but the Chargers throw a TON of checkdown passes to thier backs. (All those plays are extentions of the runninggame/Redthat)

[Okie_Apparition]

Some day the internet will be in audio form so the blind can join in...

[milkman]

They are actually very common plays. I have the ticket and watch more football than I should and see them all the friggin time. Chiefs run fewer "bubbles" than most I would venture.

It's play that is run quite often in the NFL, and it works for other teams far more often that it does the Chiefs, because the QBs on other teams don't turn their entire body before they make the pass.

[Coogs]

http://i51.tinypic.com/2jciubq.jpg

You can't see where the safety down the field is in this shot, but Breaston (I think) at the 26 looks to be the one where this pass should have went.

And you can just see his feet in this view, but he... Breaston... is 2 yards past his defender by the 35 yard line.

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[SAUTO]

Blame Sauto for defending another dumbass decision by Cassel.

dude the play looked to be DESIGNED to go that way.

and blame you for trying to act as though a pass to mcclain would have done anything better.

a 2 yard gain in that situation does us no good either.

[Hammock Parties]

There is definitely a safety playing deep there based on the presnap footage, so I would say Breaston was not open.

In any case that sequence right before the half is inexcusable. Cassel single-handedly denied us a chance at 6.

[Fish]

Lip readers?

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Directly after Haley gives Cassel the finger... I'm reading "That's one half, and you're acting scared as shit."

[Frosty]

Regardless of who the pass should have gone to, the real question to me is why would you call that play at all on 2nd and 16 with less than a minute to play?

[Hammock Parties]

Cassel hates Leonard Pope. Wide open for six. Fucking idiot.

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[Hammock Parties]

Regardless of who the pass should have gone to, the real question to me is why would you call that play at all on 2nd and 16 with less than a minute to play?

They didn't call a throw behind the line of scrimmage to McCluster. There were other receivers in the pattern.

Cassel decided to do something dumb, because he's dumb.

[Hammock Parties]

FIELD GOAL MOTHERFUCKERS

CELEBRATE

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[Frosty]

They didn't call a throw behind the line of scrimmage to McCluster. There were other receivers in the pattern.

Cassel decided to do something dumb, because he's dumb.

I don't disagree about Cassel, but it looks like a swing pass all the way.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't disagree about Cassel, but it looks like a swing pass all the way.

It's not a called play. Cassel could have thrown it elsewhere.

[RealSNR]

i have explained it multiple times.

i dont like cassel anymore than most here at this point.

but lets bash him for actual reasons, not some made up shit.

the play was designed to go to mccluster.

a pass to mcclain in a probability doesnt do anything different.

a no gain play."The play is designed to go to McCluster"

What kind of play gets called that doesn't have an Option B?

That's been half of Cassel's problem here in KC. When shit goes wrong, he royally fucks up or he does something idiotic and stupid like he wastes a time out.

I have never once seen him check out of a play. Not once. NOT GODDAMN ONCE.

This was another chance to make the best of a bad situation and he didn't fuck up, but he sure as hell didn't consider all his options.

[Hammock Parties]

the play was designed to go to mccluster.


Stop quoting this idiot.

[Hammock Parties]

This was another chance to make the best of a bad situation and he didn't fuck up, but he sure as hell didn't consider all his options.


He definitely fucked up.

1st and 10 from Vikings' 33 with 1:09 left.

We end up kicking a 51-yard field goal.

Abysmal. Awful. Asinine.

Fuck this guy.

[ModSocks]

"Yeah, well you're a ****ing bag"

or something that sounds like rag :shrug:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/haleycuss.gif

You're a ****ing pillowbiter.

Stupid Word Filter.

[SAUTO]

"The play is designed to go to McCluster"

What kind of play gets called that doesn't have an Option B?

That's been half of Cassel's problem here in KC. When shit goes wrong, he royally fucks up or he does something idiotic and stupid like he wastes a time out.

I have never once seen him check out of a play. Not once. NOT GODDAMN ONCE.

This was another chance to make the best of a bad situation and he didn't fuck up, but he sure as hell didn't consider all his options.

he has checked out of a play before. not often but it has happened.

[SAUTO]

It's not a called play. Cassel could have thrown it elsewhere.

this asshole acts as though he was in the huddle.

[milkman]

It's not a called play. Cassel could have thrown it elsewhere.

The play is almost certainly designed to go to McCluster in the flat.

It's the kind of playcall you see from teams across the league in the hope that your receivers get coverage downfield so that our back has a little space to gain some yards to make your third down a managable distance.

The problem is, as I've pointed out 2 or 3 times, most QBs don't turn their bodies toward the intended receiver in the flat before they make the throw.

They turn their bodies during the thowing motion.

By turning his body, then making the throw, the defense has time to react and get into position to make a play before it has a chance to gain any kind of momentum.

[philfree]

I think Haley told Cassel to put on his fucking hat.

[Coogs]

There is definitely a safety playing deep there based on the presnap footage, so I would say Breaston was not open.

In any case that sequence right before the half is inexcusable. Cassel single-handedly denied us a chance at 6.

:thumb: OK! Figured there had to be, but if not, then that was the play IMO.

[Hammock Parties]

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[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Looked to me like he can avoid the rusher and get it to McCluster. :shrug:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/screen.gif


Yep and McCluster has a blocker in front of him too (Gaither?)

At least he didn't try to throw it to Lilja's ass again :shrug:

[Chiefnj2]

Yep and McCluster has a blocker in front of him too (Gaither?)

At least he didn't try to throw it to Lilja's ass again :shrug:

What ever happened to a playcall where 2 or more receivers are actually in the endzone on 3rd and goal?

[FAX]

What ever happened to a playcall where 2 or more receivers are actually in the endzone on 3rd and goal?

Crossbar rule prohibits us from trying that again.

FAX

[Trevo_410]

i threw the fucking flag

[Chiefnj2]

Crossbar rule prohibits us from trying that again.

FAX

Can't a couple of former basketball players hope for a rebound?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Cassel makes me want to break things.

[crazycoffey]

i threw the fucking flag

I think you're on to something here. Could it be Todd thought it boarded on intentional grounding and telling Matt that "I'd have thrown the fucking flag"?

[Oh Snap]

I know we're in full Cassel sucks mode, but he threw one of the best passes I've ever seen him throw. The deep pass to Breaston where he was covered underneath and over the top and Cassel dropped it in perfectly.

Hey, Croyle threw a great corner TD pass to bowe a few years back against the colts. Every now and then the sun shines on a dogs ass...doesnt mean anything though.

[Hammock Parties]

Hey, Croyle threw a great corner TD pass to bowe a few years back against the colts. Every now and then the sun shines on a dogs ass...doesnt mean anything though.

This, one thousand times.

I once fucked a hot 20-year old girl all night long, don't ever see that happening again.

[Johnny Vegas]

"Yeah, well you're a fucking bag"

or something that sounds like rag :shrug:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/haleycuss.gif

"and you fuckin _____"

passed?

bagged?

or....

"and your fucking flat"

[O.city]

Kinda looks like he says something fucking flag

[GayFrogs]

I like how the guys taking shots at each other are between 30 and 55 years old.

[Dante84]

"Well that's too fucking bad"

[Marcellus]

"To the fucking flat"

Meaning McCluster was open on the other side.

[chiefzilla1501]

It doesn't matter. McClain would not have been tackled for a half-yard loss. There was a corner on McCluster immediately. There is no corner on McClain's side of the field.

QBs don't throw that screen to the opposite side of the field like that unless it was by design. I would chalk this up to a bad playcall, not a poor decision.

[MahiMike]

Like a parent to his stupid child.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/cmhere.gif

:D

[milkman]

QBs don't throw that screen to the opposite side of the field like that unless it was by design. I would chalk this up to a bad playcall, not a poor decision.

Bullshit.

Good QBs adapt to the situation.

[Hammock Parties]

He definitely makes the "f" sound.

In other news, RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hali holding.gif (they called it)

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[Hammock Parties]

QBs don't throw that screen to the opposite side of the field like that unless it was by design. I would chalk this up to a bad playcall, not a poor decision.

That was not a screen pass. There was no blocker. Cassel was checking it down like an idiot.

[Messier]

Hey, Croyle threw a great corner TD pass to bowe a few years back against the colts. Every now and then the sun shines on a dogs ass...doesnt mean anything though.

Maybe Im being misunderstood. My point wasn't that Cassel is a great QB. I just wanted to see the play, because it was made by my favorite team, and it was good. CP is in full lynch mob mode.
I'll say it differently, Cassel Sucks!!!! Can I see that one pass play that had nothing to do with Cassel, and on any give day any third string hack could make?

[BossChief]

"To the fucking flat"

Meaning McCluster was open on the other side.

winner winner chicken dinner

[Dante84]

GoChiefs.

You should make a highlight video at the halfway point of this season of every hold on Tamba that goes uncalled.

That video would then go viral, and hopefully bring awareness the pain we see every Sunday.

FORCE THEM TO SEE. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

TAMBA GETS HELD.

[Hammock Parties]

GoChiefs.

You should make a highlight video at the halfway point of this season of every hold on Tamba that goes uncalled.

That video would then go viral, and hopefully bring awareness the pain we see every Sunday.

FORCE THEM TO SEE. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

TAMBA GETS HELD.

Stop asking, people, because I'm not going to do it.

[lcarus]

Stop asking, people, because I'm not going to do it.

Pretty please?

[BossChief]

Stop asking, people, because I'm not going to do it.

why not?

just make it and give it to Dante to get out there.

[Hammock Parties]

why not?

just make it and give it to Dante to get out there.

:facepalm:

It would be an arduous process at this point.

[BossChief]

:facepalm:

It would be an arduous process at this point.

Yeah, but the payoff could potentially impact real games.

That alone would be worth it to an attention whore such as yourself...no disrespect intended.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah, but the payoff could potentially impact real games.


You have to be joking.

[BossChief]

You have to be joking.

You're right. One more holding call per game (or even one more every other game) would get in the way of SFL.

(ridin it till the wheels fall off)

[NJChiefsFan]

Well done on the gifs, Mr. Horse.

[aturnis]

I disagree with everyone on what Haley is saying to Cassel. Mostly b/c I don't see any way the "F" word he uses is "****ing". You have to noticeably contort your mouth to separate the "fuh" and the "king". Not majorly, but enough to notice, and I don't see that here.

I think that word was two words, that you can say without changing the shape of your mouth. Looks like "**** up" to me. You can say **** up just by separating **** and up with your tongue only.

I think what he said that pissed Cassel off so much was, "How'd you **** up that?!"

Either how did you, or how do you, but I definitely think that's it.

[Hammock Parties]

Last three for this week.

Lilja is getting beaten like this on a weekly basis now. His pass protection is as bad as Richardson's at this point, and he's starting to look like Mike Goff.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/lilja.gif

Tyson Jackson manning up:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/tjack2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/tjack.gif

[ModSocks]

Last three for this week.

Lilja is getting beaten like this on a weekly basis now. His pass protection is as bad as Richardson's at this point, and he's starting to look like Mike Goff.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/lilja.gif

Tyson Jackson manning up:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/tjack2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/tjack.gif

Rewatched the first half of the game. Yeah, Lilja is really struggling and Jackson actually had a pretty solid game.

[Dave Lane]

mcclain would have had to catch the ball and get upfield faster than the LB could make up almost the same amount of ground to make the tackle.

the CB that most likely made the tackle on dex probably should have been blocked by the WR he was covering.

Yep, a lot of the pics goatcheese puts up are good indicators of Cassels problems this one is not.

[RealSNR]

I disagree with everyone on what Haley is saying to Cassel. Mostly b/c I don't see any way the "F" word he uses is "****ing". You have to noticeably contort your mouth to separate the "fuh" and the "king". Not majorly, but enough to notice, and I don't see that here.

I think that word was two words, that you can say without changing the shape of your mouth. Looks like "**** up" to me. You can say **** up just by separating **** and up with your tongue only.

I think what he said that pissed Cassel off so much was, "How'd you **** up that?!"

Either how did you, or how do you, but I definitely think that's it.
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[BoneKrusher]

Well done on the gifs, Mr. Horse.

this^:clap:

[Easy 6]

Even his 'big' throw to Bowe wobbled, fluttered & hung in the air like it was filled with helium, had there been a defender within five yards it would've been picksville.

But no, lets keep him in there, he managed to go over 200 yards for the game!

[BossChief]

Cassel in the second half against Minny was the first time in a long time he has played with confidence.

It sucks because the guy has everything it takes to be a good pro except between the ears.

If he could just stop being a fucking mental pussy and go through his reads and trust himself to throw the ball downfield, he could be a quarterback this whole franchise and fanbase gets behind.

There was a stretch last year where it looked like he had gotten over the hump and was really playing well...the second half against Minny was similar to that

Who knows, maybe that will end up being a turning point in his career and he all of a sudden starts throwing downfield a lot more and plays with confidence.

Maybe Haleys hard assed approach will finally get through and he will start playing like the player we should have gotten two years ago.

If Baldwin hits the ground running, he could make a big difference in how effective Cassel can be as a passer as well. His hands have always been very good (though the thumb injury could make a big difference) and he will probably earn the trust of Cassel fairly quickly. Especially when he has stayed with Cassel during parts of the offseason and went with him to help with the storm relief.

One thing for sure, Cassel has enough around him to be able to be very successful and its put up or shut up time for him.

Win or GTFO

[Hammock Parties]

It sucks because the guy has everything it takes to be a good pro except between the ears.


What?

He lacks arm strength and accuracy.

[ModSocks]

He has the physical stature, Athleticism, Desire and work ethic to be a great QB. What he lacks is talent.

[BossChief]

What?

He lacks arm strength and accuracy.

Cassel has shown to have the ability to be both accurate and throw with zip at times....this can be verified with most passes to Bowe...first read, open...delivers a nice pass. When he knows where he is gonna go with the ball and throws with confidence, he has delivered some very nice passes.

Trouble is, he cant take his fucking eyes off the rush long enough to do that with consistency. Once the perfect protection breaks down even a little, he cuts corners and turns to mush.

Thats why some of us call him a pussy.

Its possible to be a mental pussy and tough son of a bitch at the same time and Cassel is evidence of that.

All Cassel needs to do to lock down this quarterback spot and have us in position to win big games is

a) go through his reads to find the open man, stop giving up on a play.

b) stop being satisfied with the checkdown and get that ball down the field to these receivers.


That's really it.

If he can do those two things for the rest of his time here along with building on the rest, we will have a chance to win some bigger games.

Trouble is, I think that's like asking KnowMo to start being objective...or for CoMo to be right...or for mecca to hit on a draft pick once in awhile...well, you get the point.

I think Cassel has a hell of a lot of "want to" but I dont think he has enough "will do"

[Hammock Parties]

Cassel has shown to have the ability to be both accurate and throw with zip at times.

Which is not good enough.

His first two years here his completion percentage was abysmal and this year it's high because he has only completed eight passes over 10 yards in 4 games.

[BigMeatballDave]

What?

He lacks arm strength and accuracy.

Arm strength is overrated.

Montana had very average arm strength but he was deadly accurate.

[Hammock Parties]

Arm strength is overrated.

Montana had very average arm strength but he was deadly accurate.

Yeah, but in Cassel's case, his lack of arm strength just magnifies all his other shortcomings.

Maybe he could get away with some stuff if he had a stronger arm.

[jd1020]

Yeah, but in Cassel's case, his lack of arm strength just magnifies all his other shortcomings.

Maybe he could get away with some stuff if he had a stronger arm.

I dunno about that. CB's arent expecting pro QB's to underthrow a 40 yard route by 10 yards and Bowe stopping on a dime to bail his QB out. If he throws the ball 40 yards maybe the CB knocks it away.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, but in Cassel's case, his lack of arm strength just magnifies all his other shortcomings.

Maybe he could get away with some stuff if he had a stronger arm.

If Cassel didn't take so long to process things and need 5 yards to wind up for a 30 yard bullet pass, his lack of arm strength wouldn't be an issue.

[BigMeatballDave]

Other than Chad Pennington, Cassel may be the only QB i've seen throw a 40 yard pass with so much arc.

[Hammock Parties]

If Cassel didn't take so long to process things and need 5 yards to wind up for a 30 yard bullet pass, his lack of arm strength wouldn't be an issue.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Also, he is frequently late with throws. If you can get the ball there quicker that's not so much of an issue.

[Hammock Parties]

I dunno about that. CB's arent expecting pro QB's to underthrow a 40 yard route by 10 yards and Bowe stopping on a dime to bail his QB out. If he throws the ball 40 yards maybe the CB knocks it away.

I'm not talking about distance, I'm talking about velocity.

[Rasputin]

Why does it have to take him almost a quarter and a half before he can start getting us in field pos for field goals?

I have yet to see him take a commanding drive in the first quarter of a game even going back last year, can't think of one. With out a running game that is. I've seen this done many times by many other teams, but just don't see that with him. I'd like to see our QB be able to matriculate the football down field for some TDs.


On a side note, I am truely in Awestruck by watching Aaron Rodgers play. I don't care who he plays, he just dismantles teams at his "will". Something like that would be nice to have.

[SAUTO]

Lol. Now we are back to " he only did it with a run game"


I hope we find someone better and younger with a higher ceiling this offseason too, but might as well give credit when he does something fairly well.
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[el borracho]

I'll credit Cassel with being good enough to beat the dregs of the NFL. Against legit teams? Not so much. I can't remember him beating anyone that mattered. Hell, I can't even remember him beating a team with a winning record.

[Hammock Parties]

I'll credit Cassel with being good enough to beat the dregs of the NFL. Against legit teams? Not so much. I can't remember him beating anyone that mattered. Hell, I can't even remember him beating a team with a winning record.

Cassel has three wins against playoff teams for his CAREER.

Two in New England, one against the 7-9 Seahawks.

[el borracho]

Sooooo... 2008 is the last time Matt was victorious against a team with a winning record?

[Hammock Parties]

Sooooo... 2008 is the last time Matt was victorious against a team with a winning record?

He has beaten winning teams that didn't make the playoffs.

The Steelers come to mind.

If you want to split hairs he has beaten a few teams that had winning records at the time the Chiefs played them, but not at the end of the year.

[BoneKrusher]

He has beaten winning teams that didn't make the playoffs.

The Steelers come to mind.

If you want to split hairs he has beaten a few teams that had winning records at the time the Chiefs played them, but not at the end of the year.


the thing that bothers me about Cassel's record with the pats in 2009 and this past year in KC (11-5 with Pats and 10-6) Chiefs) is that both seasons were against the NFC West. (very easy schedule)

[Easy 6]

I dunno about that. CB's arent expecting pro QB's to underthrow a 40 yard route by 10 yards and Bowe stopping on a dime to bail his QB out. If he throws the ball 40 yards maybe the CB knocks it away.

Not sure if my sarcasm meter is on the fritz or what, but give me the guy that can overthrow, every single week.

Wr's consistently having to come back to the ball, is for 8-8 teams.

[crispystl]

[QUOTE=BossChief;7972933]Cassel has shown to have the ability to be both accurate and throw with zip at times...

Are you serious? He has one of the weakest arms in the league.

[tecumseh]

Thanks Gif, This is highly entertaining evidence of the super suckage of Matt The Cassorole. S4L

[crispystl]

Thanks Gif, This is highly entertaining evidence of the super suckage of Matt The Cassorole. S4L

These threads are the best of Chiefs Planet, but c'mon man we don't need any further evidence.

[BigMeatballDave]

Lol. Now we are back to " he only did it with a run game"


I hope we find someone better and younger with a higher ceiling this offseason too, but might as well give credit when he does something fairly well.
Posted via Mobile DeviceSure. But can he do it vs a good team?