A guy on Sportsnation just said....

[chop]

If the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady they would be the Chiefs (no playmakers).

Hurts but it's kind of true.

[58-4ever]

what a broad and ridiculous statement.

[Okie_Apparition]

You start believing Herm now?

[Brock]

If the patriots had Hali, Carr, and Flowers, they'd be a great team.

[Johnny Vegas]

Haynesworth is a cancer

[Okie_Apparition]

Can we have their TEs
please

[OnTheWarpath15]

Can we trade QB's for the rest of the season, just to see if he's right?

[Renegade]

Can we have their TEs
please

So checkdown Cassel can over throw by 20 yards or under throw by 10? They would be a waste in the current system.

[chefsos]

I might be an idiot, but I think if the Chiefs and Pats switched QBs today, KC would be the better team.

[lcarus]

Can we have their TEs
please

Need someone to get them the ball.

[chop]

Can we have their TEs
please

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.

[CoMoChief]

it's true.

Imagine what a good QB could do for this team.

[Okie_Apparition]

That Welcher dude would be nice too

[LiveSteam]

If the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady they would be the Chiefs (no playmakers).

Hurts but it's kind of true.

Yes it hurts cause it is true

[Bewbies]

The Chiefs have a better team as long as you ignore the QB. That position is more important than the rest of them combined.

[RealSNR]

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.Hell, we could have had Jizzy the Retarded Clown, but we went with McCluster instead.

[MTG#10]

We have no play-makers? Uhhh ok.

[Hootie]

if we had Tom Brady we'd be 13 game winners and Super Bowl favorites (along with the Packers)

[Okie_Apparition]

Woman stealing shitass

[ModSocks]

What a stupid, stupid, statement. On so many levels.

wish i could get paid to make stupid, stupid comments.

[Gonzo]

What a stupid, stupid, statement. On so many levels.

wish i could get paid to make stupid, stupid comments.

I have Casino Cash.

Start talking, stupid.
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[Extra Point]

Hell, we could have had Jizzy the Retarded Clown, but we went with McCluster instead.

THAT'S ROFL

[-King-]

The Patriots are MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the Chiefs without Tom Brady.

If we had Tom Brady, we might be undefeated right now honestly.

[TheSourceX1]

Chiefs are the colts with a better secondary.
Brady would make the Chiefs a legit SuperBowl pick.

[Bugeater]

I have Casino Cash.

Start talking, stupid.
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HAY LETS TRADE THE NEXT THREE DRAFTS FOR THE #1 PICK



(pay up sucker)

[Okie_Apparition]

The Chiefs are a better balanced team then I have ever witnessed. It's not lopsided on defense or offense talent. That motherfucking QB postion :cuss:

[Gonzo]

HAY LETS TRADE THE NEXT THREE DRAFTS FOR THE #1 PICK



(pay up sucker)

Coming at you when I get on the laptop. This was plenty stupid.
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[Mr. Flopnuts]

what a broad and ridiculous statement.

Yeah. It's cliche, but that really is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[Bump]

it's amazing what an elite QB can do for a team. Without Brady they would be even worse, but even with him, their defense is so terrible this season they won't contend. You still need a good defense regardless of who your QB is.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

The Pats have no playmakers? Umm Hernandez, Welker, Gronkowski(sp). They have a fair share. Stupid comment.

[Lonewolf Ed]

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.

:doh!:

[stonedstooge]

it's amazing what an elite QB can do for a team. Without Brady they would be even worse, but even with him, their defense is so terrible this season they won't contend. You still need a good defense regardless of who your QB is.

Coach Vermeil says no and you don't even need an elite QB

[KC Hawks]

2011 Chiefs with Brady > 2011 Patriots with Brady

[Dylan]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1107/sn_a_bradyt_576.jpg

Let's go Da'Bears!






Will someone please start a MNF thread?

TIA & GB http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

[Easy 6]

Haynesworth is a cancer

What a failure he's been, i'd have thought if he would make it anywhere, it'd be there, Bully Bills finding out that he's one retread that there is no second act for.

[Oh Snap]

same could be said about 20+ other teams. Why limit it to the chiefs?

Also, the patriots have fallen from grace. Back in 2007-2008, when cassel was with the patriots....he still excelled thanks largely to the supporting cast he had in NE.


I think cassels problems are with the coaching. Sure, he shares some of the blame, but we've had 3 different OC's in the past 3 years. Mix that with a shoddy OL and few playmakers to boot, and we have the perfect storm.

[aturnis]

same could be said about 20+ other teams. Why limit it to the chiefs?

Also, the patriots have fallen from grace. Back in 2007-2008, when cassel was with the patriots....he still excelled thanks largely to the supporting cast he had in NE.


I think cassels problems are with the coaching. Sure, he shares some of the blame, but we've had 3 different OC's in the past 3 years. Mix that with a shoddy OL and few playmakers to boot, and we have the perfect storm.

It's not like they've changed to offense, it's just a different guy calling the plays. That defense does not work in this situation.

[aturnis]

It would be nice if any of you who call this a incredibly stupid comment would elaborate. IMO, if they don't have Brady, they are actually worse than the Chiefs, but really all he is saying is that without Brady, the Patriots are a 6-10 to 9-7 team. Which is being pretty generous.

[Brock]

It would be nice if any of you who call this a incredibly stupid comment would elaborate. IMO, if they don't have Brady, they are actually worse than the Chiefs, but really all he is saying is that without Brady, the Patriots are a 6-10 to 9-7 team. Which is being pretty generous.

(no playmakers)

[FAX]

What a stupid, stupid, statement. On so many levels.

wish i could get paid to make stupid, stupid comments.

We couldn't afford you.

FAX

[petegz28]

Yes it hurts cause it is true

We don't have play makers???? :doh!:

[aturnis]

I thought I heard this on ESPN this morning, and didn't hear the no playmakers part.

[ChiefsrGood]

It's kind of a stupid statement I heard it myself. Sort of true though.

but two of our playmakers are on IR Charles, Moeaki
Baldwin has played in 3 games you can't label him a playmaker although I think he will be
McCluster is a playmaker in his own way. kickoffs, punts, reverses
So really the only playmaker we have now is bowe

Next year this team will be loaded with playmakers...especially with a new QB.

[headsnap]

We don't have play makers???? :doh!:


they are all on IR...

[Brock]

It's kind of a stupid statement I heard it myself. Sort of true though.

but two of our playmakers are on IR Charles, Moeaki
Baldwin has played in 3 games you can't label him a playmaker although I think he will be
McCluster is a playmaker in his own way. kickoffs, punts, reverses
So really the only playmaker we have now is bowe

Next year this team will be loaded with playmakers...especially with a new QB.

Shit, if you gave Brady Steve Breaston and Dwayne Bowe along with some of the guys we have on defense, that's a super bowl team for sure.

[DBOSHO]

If the chiefs had brady we would win 4 straight superbowls. Im not kidding in the slightest on that.

The closest tom has had to bowe was randy, and with baldwin, he would basically have 2. Add a serious running threat with charles and thats multiple championships.

[chefsos]

I thought I heard this on ESPN this morning, and didn't hear the no playmakers part.I think you're right. It was Cowherd who said it, twice, once on his morning show and again on SN. I didn't hear the "no playmakers" comment this morning either.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

I might be an idiot, but I think if the Chiefs and Pats switched QBs today, KC would be the better team.

I'm pretty sure 100 out of 100 people would agree with you. Not sure why you think that makes you an idiot.

[chefsos]

I'm pretty sure 100 out of 100 people would agree with you. Not sure why you think that makes you an idiot.Oh, I have plenty of other symptoms of idiocy...

[Garcia Bronco]

You should be better than the Pats with Brady as the QB of the chiefs. You've been drafting high enough.

[aturnis]

You should be better than the Pats with Brady as the QB of the chiefs. You've been drafting high enough.

I remember my first beer...

[Oh Snap]

It's not like they've changed to offense, it's just a different guy calling the plays. That defense does not work in this situation.

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

[HoneyBadger]

It's kind of a stupid statement I heard it myself. Sort of true though.

but two of our playmakers are on IR Charles, Moeaki
Baldwin has played in 3 games you can't label him a playmaker although I think he will be
McCluster is a playmaker in his own way. kickoffs, punts, reverses
So really the only playmaker we have now is bowe

Next year this team will be loaded with playmakers...especially with a new QB.

What about Berry? He's not a playmaker?

Dex just is horrible. To call him a "playmaker" is ridiculous. If we only have 1 now and 2 injured, how will we "be loaded" next year?

[Rausch]

If the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady they would be the Chiefs (no playmakers).

Hurts but it's kind of true.

If the Chiefs had Brady we'd be competing for a fucking super bowl (with our injuries.)

[Caseyguyrr]

if the chiefs had a better offense and defense we would be a better team

[BoneKrusher]

I think cassels problems are with the coaching.

Cassel's ok as long as the Chiefs are playing with a lead.

if they fall behind by two-three scores, forget it.
(except for the colts game, they wanted to lose to stay frontrunners for Luck.)

[Gary]

Carlos Dansby did an interview with a sports reporter a few days ago & they were talking about it on my local sports radio yesterday. He basically said the defense could see very early on in that game that Cassel was completely lost trying to figure out all the different looks they were throwing at him and they knew they had him.

[BoneKrusher]

Carlos Dansby did an interview with a sports reporter a few days ago & they were talking about it on my local sports radio yesterday. He basically said the defense could see very early on in that game that Cassel was completely lost trying to figure out all the different looks they were throwing at him and they knew they had him.

ya, Cassel will never be able to read a defense.

[bricks]

Luck pays its dividends. It's all about being lucky when it comes to getting really good qbs. Unfortunately, Chiefs haven't had their share.

[movinbones]

I might be an idiot, but I think if the Chiefs and Pats switched QBs today, KC would be the better team.


As I watched another embarrassing game by Matt Cassel I was thinking the Chiefs should see if we could play the game with an all-time QB.

M. Moore 17/23 244 10.6 3 0 147.5

We could have used a performance like this

Matt Moore are you fucking kidding me????

[aturnis]

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

Like I said, OC has nothing to do with our injuries and lack of offensive line. Also, inconsistency at OC has nothing to do with why the current OC sucks so bad, nor why the offense sucks so bad. The OC Sucks b/c he sucks, same goes for the OL. A new, GOOD OC will change that, keeping consistency and therefore Muir, will not. The offense has not changed. The fact that the OC has changed is not what's holding this offense back, it's WHO the OC is and injuries and the OL and the QB that hold this offense back. This offense does have an identity, they are a running offense that is having to learn how to deal with the loss of the best RB in the NFL.

[Simply Red]

This was Cowherd, guys.

[aturnis]

ya, Cassel will never be able to read a defense.

Ricky Stanzi can read a defense...

[Simply Red]

Ricky Stanzi can read a defense...

why did this guy NOT get hardly any preseason snaps? What was the reason the org. gave, do you know?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This was Cowturd, guys.

FYP

His opinion holds as much weight as one. The guy is fucking clueless.

[RealSNR]

why did this guy NOT get hardly any preseason snaps? What was the reason the org. gave, do you know?I honestly believe they're putting him as the inactive 3rd stringer because "that's just what you do." Got a rookie QB drafted in the later rounds? His ass goes on the bench for a year, that's where that goes.

It's very old school, almost like baseball. It's like there's some kind of magical skill that one picks up through one's ass sitting on the bench during games. That's the stuff that turns young project QBs into great ones.

Oh, wait, that's tuberculosis. Nevermind. I get magic and tuberculosis confused all the time.

[aturnis]

why did this guy NOT get hardly any preseason snaps? What was the reason the org. gave, do you know?

He got snaps in all but the last game.

vs. TB he was 4/8 for 34yds 0TD 0INT
vs. BAL he was 6/12 for58yds 0TD 1INT
vs. STL he was 8/14 for 121yds. 1TD 0INT

total he was 18/34 for 213yds 1TD 1INT

He did not play in the final game against Green Bay. That what the final "ramping up" game. Cassel played quite a bit, then Palko played the rest.

The majority of the board seemed pleasantly surprised with Stanzi. Namely his pocket awareness, escapability, accuracy, and ability to go through his reads. Kind of easy to be impressed when you look at the two QB's in front of him. He did pretty well despite being under CONSTANT pressure and his receivers dropping quite a few passes. Actually, his INT was a tipped ball by his receiver, Horne I beleive.

[HemiEd]

It's kind of a stupid statement I heard it myself. Sort of true though.

but two of our playmakers are on IR Charles, Moeaki
Baldwin has played in 3 games you can't label him a playmaker although I think he will be
McCluster is a playmaker in his own way. kickoffs, punts, reverses
So really the only playmaker we have now is bowe

Next year this team will be loaded with playmakers...especially with a new QB.

Playmakers can be on the Defensive side of the ball as well, just sayin.

[whoman69]

Just goes to show the national media thinks they can make blanket statements about teams they have no information about just because they don't think the audience will either.

[Oh Snap]

Just goes to show the national media thinks they can make blanket statements about teams they have no information about just because they don't think the audience will either.

Thats the thing...the national media has no clue about this team until we play on MNF. The talent level on this team is good at several positions. QB is an issue, as is the OL. Obviously we need a GOOD OC as well. With Wies, we had a good OC IMO. Muir is an obvious downgrade for this team as offensive coordinator. Right now, I'm not even sure who we would go after for our OC.

Anyways, the more MNF/ESPN/Sunday night games we have, the more love we will get. That usually means that we have to win more games because that is virtually the only way you get on MNF.

[milkman]

it's amazing what an elite QB can do for a team. Without Brady they would be even worse, but even with him, their defense is so terrible this season they won't contend. You still need a good defense regardless of who your QB is.

What you need in today's NFL is an opportunistic defense.

Ravens-Dilfer/Bucs-Brad Johnson aren't going to win SBs anymore.



It's kind of a stupid statement I heard it myself. Sort of true though.

but two of our playmakers are on IR Charles, Moeaki
Baldwin has played in 3 games you can't label him a playmaker although I think he will be
McCluster is a playmaker in his own way. kickoffs, punts, reverses
So really the only playmaker we have now is bowe

Next year this team will be loaded with playmakers...especially with a new QB.

Making 1 or 2 plays a year does not a playmaker make.

McSuckster is not a playmaker.

He's a wasted draft pick.

[milkman]

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

I had to respond to this seperately.

This is a special kind of stupid.

True fan stupid.

The Chiefs through the 90s had one of the top O-Lines in the league, and among the better defenses.

They could pound the rock, control the clock, created turnovers, intimidate offenses.

The one thing they couldn't do.
Throw the ball.

QB wasn't nearly as important then as it is now, but it was still, even then, even as far back as I've watched football, the most important position on the field.

It's no coincidence that all the great teams all had one single thing in common.

They had great QBs.

Teams like the Bucs, the Ravens, the 85 Bears, teams that played defense had outstanding O-Line play and good running games all only won 1 SB.

They all had one thing in common.

They had marginal, at best, QB play.

Games are won or lost in the trenches.

Championships are won under center.

[Cornstock]

It's not like they've changed to offense, it's just a different guy calling the plays. That defense does not work in this situation.

I'd say theres very little,if anything, left of the Chan offense. You can still see a lot of Charlie Weis stuff in play though (minus his great playcalling...call a play to set up a play, working the matchups, etc.) However right how the offense looks like something cross between Weis and Mike Solari's offense. Or worse, Bill Muir.

Moral of the story: promoting offensive line coaches to OC has not worked for the Chiefs in recent history.

[Fish]

I disagree.

.
.
.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

We had the best OLine in the league, for sure. Yet.... how many playoff wins did that strategy net us? I can't seem to remember......

[milkman]

We had the best OLine in the league, for sure. Yet.... how many playoff wins did that strategy net us? I can't seem to remember......

Meanwhile, we have Ben Roethlisberger with a questionable O-Line, Drew Brees with a questionable O-Line, and Aaron Rodgers with a questionable O-line, all winning SBs.


But lets keep trying to win a SB with mediocre QB play.

It's so obvious that's how championships are won.

[aturnis]

I'd say theres very little,if anything, left of the Chan offense. You can still see a lot of Charlie Weis stuff in play though (minus his great playcalling...call a play to set up a play, working the matchups, etc.) However right how the offense looks like something cross between Weis and Mike Solari's offense. Or worse, Bill Muir.

Moral of the story: promoting offensive line coaches to OC has not worked for the Chiefs in recent history.

Who said anything about Chan Gailey's offense? That offense left with Gailey. Haley was OC in this system one year, then Weis, and now Muir. 3 years, 3 OC's one system.

[Easy 6]

Meanwhile, we have Ben Roethlisberger with a questionable O-Line, Drew Brees with a questionable O-Line, and Aaron Rodgers with a questionable O-line, all winning SBs.


But lets keep trying to win a SB with mediocre QB play.

It's so obvious that's how championships are won.

NO ITS NOT WHEN WILL YOU GAI'S LEARN? WINNERS ARE BUILT ON O LINES, LINES LINES LINES I SAY!

YOUR CASTLE HATRED HAS BLINDED YOU!

[JD10367]

If the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady they would be the Chiefs (no playmakers).

Hurts but it's kind of true.

No, it's kind of fucking stupid. Both the Patriots AND Chiefs have playmakers. Unless that moron doesn't count Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski (both near the top of the NFL stats), or Aaron Hernandez or Deion Branch.

I love blanket statements with no basis in reality. Just looking at this season--not his body of work, but THIS season--frankly, Brady has tailed off and is a direct contributor to the past two losses. If they didn't have Brady? They'd probably still be 5-3. He hasn't won a single game by himself. He doesn't take the field on offense and play 1-on-11.

[BossChief]

No, it's kind of fucking stupid. Both the Patriots AND Chiefs have playmakers. Unless that moron doesn't count Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski (both near the top of the NFL stats), or Aaron Hernandez or Deion Branch.

I love blanket statements with no basis in reality. Just looking at this season--not his body of work, but THIS season--frankly, Brady has tailed off and is a direct contributor to the past two losses. If they didn't have Brady? They'd probably still be 5-3. He hasn't won a single game by himself. He doesn't take the field on offense and play 1-on-11.

no way