Football Bob Costas Interviews Sandusky [Archive]

banyon

11-14-2011, 10:24 PM

Amazed no one else posted this yet. I can't find the full interview yet for some reason. This is only the first question.

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Link to full interview (can't embed):

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-costas-conducts-revealing-jerry-sandusky-interview-on-rock-center/

Particularly listen to him hesitate on the question about whether he is sexually attracted to young boys.

banyon

11-14-2011, 10:25 PM

I got the creeps just listening to it.

Very calculated responses. He's planned out his defense as "I was just horsing around and it got misconstrued."

Chiefs Pantalones

11-14-2011, 10:28 PM

He's guilty as shit

CanadaKC

11-14-2011, 10:30 PM

I hope his doesn't use the "tight end and wide receiver" defence...that could blow up in his face

suzzer99

11-14-2011, 10:31 PM

Sandusky knows he's dead to rights. He's trying to deflect attention back to himself, trying to protect the cult of Penn St. and somehow absolve himself with JoePa.

evenfall

11-14-2011, 10:36 PM

I wonder what it feels like to be the most hated man in America right now.

The Iron Chief

11-14-2011, 10:43 PM

I wonder what it feels like to be the most hated man in America right now.

I just dont know but what I do know is..Steve Bartman is sleeping good tonight.

Brock

11-14-2011, 10:44 PM

Doesn't seem to carry the ring of truth to these ears.

RINGLEADER

11-14-2011, 10:46 PM

Gross.

Really hope he ends up in prison so he can get a taste of what he did to those poor kids who looked up to him. He's sick.

Chiefnj2

11-14-2011, 10:50 PM

How much money is going to change hands to get the various victims to recant their stories?

SPchief

11-14-2011, 10:52 PM

When asked "are you sexually attracted to young boys?" and the first words out his mouth isn't no, but I love being around children. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Chiefs Pantalones

11-14-2011, 10:53 PM

He sounds like he has a few screws loose.

BigMeatballDave

11-14-2011, 10:53 PM

I can't wait until this fucker gets his skull bashed in in prison.

Sure-Oz

11-14-2011, 10:53 PM

This lawyer is a dumbass for letting him be interviewed

Sure-Oz

11-14-2011, 10:54 PM

I can't wait until this ****er gets facefucked in prison.

FYP

Chiefnj2

11-14-2011, 10:56 PM

I'm not sure his attorney made a good move by agreeing to the interview. Nobody wants to hear an old man admit that he took showers and horseplayed in the showers with young boys.

banyon

11-14-2011, 10:56 PM

This lawyer is a dumbass for letting him be interviewed

I completely agree. He has limited his trial options by doing this.

If I were prosecuting this case, I would mark this interview as an exhibit and enter it. It doesn't help him.

Chiefnj2

11-14-2011, 10:58 PM

I completely agree. He has limited his trial options by doing this.

If I were prosecuting this case, I would mark this interview as an exhibit and enter it. It doesn't help him.

He's on tape admitting to showering and horsing around. He's kind of stuck to admitting lots of contact, just claim it wasn't sexual. They will be paying off victims.

Rams Fan

11-14-2011, 11:00 PM

Defense attorney Joe Amendola, 63, representing Sandusky in the sexual molestation case roiling Penn State and Joe Paterno’s legendary football program, impregnated an under-age teen and later married her, The Daily has learned.
According to documents filed with Centre County Courthouse, Amendola served as the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition on Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.
Around the same time, Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola’s child, and gave birth before she turned 18, her mother, Janet Iavasile, told The Daily.
He was born in 1948 and was around 49 at the time.

Go die in a fire, Sandusky.

Bugeater

11-14-2011, 11:00 PM

I have zero interest in hearing what this freak has to say.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:02 PM

I have zero interest in hearing what this freak has to say.

For a guy who keeps saying he is sick of this subject you sure seem to spend a lot of time in Sandusky threads.

evenfall

11-14-2011, 11:03 PM

He's on tape admitting to showering and horsing around. He's kind of stuck to admitting lots of contact, just claim it wasn't sexual. They will be paying off victims.

Yeah, I agree. He carved away half of his defense options. (I didn't do it, he's out to get me, I was never there, it was someone else who looked like me, etc etc.)

He already put himself there for the incident, nude in the shower with a naked kid. He has done most of the prosecution's work for them. Just legally very stupid.

Bugeater

11-14-2011, 11:07 PM

For a guy who keeps saying he is sick of this subject you sure seem to spend a lot of time in Sandusky threads.
Think you've mistaken me for someone else, BIG BOY.

KChiefs1

11-14-2011, 11:09 PM

When asked "are you sexually attracted to young boys?" and the first words out his mouth isn't no, but I love being around children.

Sounded just like Michael Jackson.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:09 PM

Think you've mistaken me for someone else, BIG BOY.

Whatever

luv

11-14-2011, 11:09 PM

On the off chance (which is WAY off) that he is found not guilty, what does that do for Paterno?

Shogun

11-14-2011, 11:10 PM

On the off chance (which is WAY off) that he is found not guilty, what does that do for Paterno?

I don't know, something along the lines of this

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lulykhMxg91r2o5jno1_500.gif

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:12 PM

On the off chance (which is WAY off) that he is found not guilty, what does that do for Paterno?

Help him not get sued and that's about it.

banyon

11-14-2011, 11:13 PM

He's on tape admitting to showering and horsing around. He's kind of stuck to admitting lots of contact, just claim it wasn't sexual. They will be paying off victims.

I thought of a closing to the jury right now.

After going through the facts in detail, You play the cut of him saying "i shouldn't have showered with those boys."

Then "no Mr. Sandusky you shouldn't have." "and you shouldn't have raped and molested them either."

MMXcalibur

11-14-2011, 11:15 PM

Sounded just like Michael Jackson.

Sleeping with little boys = ok
Showering with little boys = not ok

Got it.

Bugeater

11-14-2011, 11:15 PM

Whatever
<---- Go over to my username, click on "find more posts by", and then link me up with a post where I ever stated any such thing. Otherwise shut your dumb ass up.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:17 PM

<---- Go over to my username, click on "find more posts by", and then link me up with a post where I ever stated any such thing. Otherwise shut your dumb ass up.

Someone run out of cheeto's and porn tonight?

banyon

11-14-2011, 11:17 PM

On the off chance (which is WAY off) that he is found not guilty, what does that do for Paterno?

Nothing, in terms of legal liability. Since the criminal case has a burden of proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, any civil claim could continue to be filed against him with the lower preponderance of the evidence standard, much like oj was civilly sued after his criminal trial.

mdstu

11-14-2011, 11:18 PM

Yeah, I agree. He carved away half of his defense options. (I didn't do it, he's out to get me, I was never there, it was someone else who looked like me, etc etc.)

He already put himself there for the incident, nude in the shower with a naked kid. He has done most of the prosecution's work for them. Just legally very stupid.

Unless I'm mistaken, it is already documented that He was showering with the boys. His only defense is that nothing happened during them. There was a school investigation after one of the moms raised hell.

hometeam

11-14-2011, 11:19 PM

You can hear in his voice and answers that he is guilty. Who the **** horses around with a 10 year old kid naked in the shower. What kind of 50 year old man snaps towels with a naked 10 year old.

He asked him 'do you get sexual pleasure from young boys' and he was 'uhh uhh uhh no i just enjoy them"

what the ****. just what the **** man.

luv

11-14-2011, 11:19 PM

Nothing, in terms of legal liability. Since the criminal case has a burden of proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, any civil claim could continue to be filed against him with the lower preponderance of the evidence standard, much like oj was civilly sued after his criminal trial.

Yes, I know that. Just wondering about it in terms of how much heat he's getting from the nation as a whole. As long as he meets the elements, I know he can be sued.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:20 PM

Nothing, in terms of legal liability. Since the criminal case has a burden of proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, any civil claim could continue to be filed against him with the lower preponderance of the evidence standard, much like oj was civilly sued after his criminal trial.

I think he is pretty safe now other than attorney fees. If Sandusky walked that could do nothing but help him.

Bugeater

11-14-2011, 11:21 PM

Someone run out of cheeto's and porn tonight?
Got a link for me yet?

mdstu

11-14-2011, 11:23 PM

I think he is pretty safe now other than attorney fees. If Sandusky walked that could do nothing but help him.

By the time this all gets settled, JoePa will probably be dead.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:24 PM

Got a link for me yet?

I'm not going to search for anything, your'e not that important.

banyon

11-14-2011, 11:26 PM

I think he is pretty safe now other than attorney fees. If Sandusky walked that could do nothing but help him.

Not sure about that. If he helped cover this up for 10+ years, theres a chance he did so at some point by making a false statement to law enforcement of some kind. if not, simply assisting sandusky to avoid detection might be enough to trigger liability also.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:27 PM

luv

11-14-2011, 11:28 PM

I'm not going to search for anything, your'e not that important.

Important enough for you to comment on in the first place.

KcMizzou

11-14-2011, 11:28 PM

That wast the creepiest shit I've ever heard.

luv

11-14-2011, 11:29 PM

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:30 PM

Not sure about that. If he helped cover this up for 10+ years, theres a chance he did so at some point by making a false statement to law enforcement of some kind. if not, simply assisting sandusky to avoid detection might be enough to trigger liability also.

The trial will be interesting for sure. My guess is Paterno was smart enough to hide his tracks unless somebody comes out and fingers him. Even so it's a stretch if Sandusky walks to think anyone will get much except for the attorneys IMO.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:31 PM

Important enough for you to comment on in the first place.

Whatever, I just don't care enough to go back and look.

luv

11-14-2011, 11:31 PM

By the time this all gets settled, JoePa will probably be dead.

This. Even if he survives the Sandusky criminal trial, and Sandusky is found not guilty, then he'd still have to survive the outcome of Sandusky's civil trial.

BigChiefFan

11-14-2011, 11:33 PM

I can't believe that SOB is out. People get thrown in prison for marijuana and this sick fuck is roaming the streets and got NBC coverage to plead his case.

KcMizzou

11-14-2011, 11:33 PM

By the time this all gets settled, JoePa will probably be dead. Sandusky too. Surely the guy has a bottle of sleeping pills or a rope lying around.

KcMizzou

11-14-2011, 11:35 PM

I can't believe that SOB is out. People get thrown in prison for marijuana and this sick **** is roaming the streets and got NBC coverage to plead his case.Sure as shit didn't work in his favor.

suzzer99

11-14-2011, 11:35 PM

So lets get this straight Jerry. You got investigated in 1998 for showering with a kid. Yet you thought it would be a good idea to go ahead and shower with a kid again in 2002 - with horseplay? You know you're risking serious trouble in doing so, but you're not attracted to boys? Riiiiiiighhhht.

Not even the Casey Anthony jury would buy that. The only jury who would possibly swallow that is those JoePa-worshiping cult members in Happy Valley... oh CRAP!

ForeverChiefs58

11-14-2011, 11:36 PM

By the time this all gets settled, JoePa will probably be dead.

Sandusky should just take himself out at this point. Then again he's lounging in his house right next to a school playground full of motivation.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone else doesn't do it.

Imagine the father of one of the boys taking the law into his own hands.

There are many reports of eyewitnesses now saying they caught him raping boys. ANYONE that saw or heard about that man raping a small boy and didn't go to police would be getting a bullet.

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:39 PM

Sandusky too. Surely the guy has a bottle of sleeping pills or a rope lying around.

Tomorrow he will be looking at a payground full of little boys. Why would he end it now?

Sure-Oz

11-14-2011, 11:40 PM

I can't believe that SOB is out. People get thrown in prison for marijuana and this sick **** is roaming the streets and got NBC coverage to plead his case.

Pretty sure he fucked his own ass

BigChiefFan

11-14-2011, 11:42 PM

Sure as shit didn't work in his favor.I agree, bro. I think it pretty much incriminated him, but it's clear NBC gave him a soapbox to plead his case, which makes it that much worse, IMO.

Add, that he's out on bail and I can't believe how low this country has sunk and catered to sickos and yet horsehit offenses are having the book thrown at them.

How in the Hell can a major university allow this to happen for 15 fuckin' years and do NOTHING?

KcMizzou

11-14-2011, 11:45 PM

BIG_DADDY

11-14-2011, 11:51 PM

Not to go all Teedubya on ya, but maybe he's just convinced he's gotta take the fall to prevent more from coming out?

That interview was really, really weird. Why would anyone in his position ever agree to it... or say more than "no comment"?

I totally agree with that comment. Total arrogance and thinking you're smarter than the whole system is the only answer I can come up with. May seem weird to us but don't forget how long he has been getting by with this in spite of others knowing.

BigChiefFan

11-14-2011, 11:55 PM

Not to go all Teedubya on ya, but maybe he's just convinced he's gotta take the fall to prevent more from coming out?

That interview was really, really weird. Why would anyone in his position ever agree to it... or say more than "no comment"?

I forget where I heard it, but I remember hearing that if the full story came out, people would be blown away at how deep this went. I think they found their patsy in Sandusky.

Somebody convinced him to do the interview. I just wonder if it was to make him the fall guy and they will get him off and out in a quick fashion, or somebody gave him bad advice to let him take the heat.

Either way, he came across as a sick fuck and if he did this, I hope he rots in Hell.

Bearcat

11-14-2011, 11:58 PM

Sandusky attorney Joe Amendola appeared with Costas, and claimed that he expected “several” of the victims in the indictment to come forward and defend Sandusky, including the one that McQueary says he saw being raped in the shower by Sandusky.

This is what pissed me off the most about that whole thing... yeah, that doesn't sound like a cover-up. :rolleyes:

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:03 AM

This is what pissed me off the most about that whole thing... yeah, that doesn't sound like a cover-up. :rolleyes:When I saw it, I thought, I wonder how much they are compensating the victims?

Also, if he didn't do it, how would they know who to contact?

They are going to try and settle this out of court and some of the sad sack parents probably have already named their price.

wazu

11-15-2011, 12:08 AM

Gotta give Costas credit for a great interview, with great follow-up questions that weren't all canned but were in response to the types of answers he was hearing.

suzzer99

11-15-2011, 12:09 AM

Did he ask why on earth Sandusky was showering and horseplaying with a kid in 2002, after being investigated by police for the same thing in 1998?

KcMizzou

11-15-2011, 12:12 AM

Gotta give Costas credit for a great interview, with great follow-up questions that weren't all canned but were in response to the types of answers he was hearing."Are you a pedophile?"

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:13 AM

Gotta give Costas credit for a great interview, with great follow-up questions that weren't all canned but were in response to the types of answers he was hearing.
I thought he did a good job, but I believe it was more to pose hard questions, in the hopes general sentiment would say he must be innocent if he's willing to answer the tough questions.

Unfortunately for them, the vampire showed his true colors and couldn't even deny certain acts transpring.

wazu

11-15-2011, 12:26 AM

I thought he did a good job, but I believe it was more to pose hard questions, in the hopes general sentiment would say he must be innocent if he's willing to answer the tough questions.

Unfortunately for them, the vampire showed his true colors and couldn't even deny certain acts transpring.

Wow, so you think Costas was trying to help Sandusky look innocent? I felt like the line of questioning and the statements like "fair-minded people have concluded you are a monster" were pretty anti-Sandusky. But yeah, Sandusky couldn't hide who he is. Especially when asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys.

So bitterly disgusting. My eight year old son asked me about all of this the other day. It was my fault for turning on the Nebraska game and him hearing the post-game interviews. Had to explain to him how there are people in this world who are just sick. Probably good that we talked about it but makes me angry that we even had to.

Bearcat

11-15-2011, 12:27 AM

Unfortunately for them, the vampire showed his true colors and couldn't even deny certain acts transpring.

Eh, if it wasn't scripted, it might as well have been. Sandusky and his lawyer have probably spent several hours going over exactly what to say and talking about a specific defense strategy.... the lawyer was sitting with Costas the whole time, probably to make sure he only asked the questions they had agreed upon before the interview. He couldn't possibly deny everything at this point, so basically playing dumb and saying he "horsed around" with the kids because he just loves them so darn much was probably the only way to go.

After Sandusky mentioned the horsing around in the shower, I was hoping Costas would ask about Sandusky getting into bed with several of the victims... the grand jury report says multiple victims described similar actions by Sandusky, as far as getting into bed with them, giving them bear hugs, rubbing their backs, etc.

stevieray

11-15-2011, 12:29 AM

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:35 AM

Wow, so you think Costas was trying to help Sandusky look innocent? I felt like the line of questioning and the statements like "fair-minded people have concluded you are a monster" were pretty anti-Sandusky. But yeah, Sandusky couldn't hide who he is. Especially when asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys.

So bitterly disgusting. My eight year old son asked me about all of this the other day. It was my fault for turning on the Nebraska game and him hearing the post-game interviews. Had to explain to him how there are people in this world who are just sick. Probably good that we talked about it but makes me angry that we even had to.

I don't think Costas was trying to make him look innocent, but there's no denying NBC gave Sandusky network air time to state his case.

Why?

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:38 AM

this year notoriety
got all confused with fame

/dhenleyBefore things got so FUZZY.

Dude, I think of the lyrics to that song, all the time. Everyday, the song gets deeper and deeper in meaning.

Quick trivia question, who is the famous singer that sings back up on the tune? Also, extra credit, who plays guitar?

wazu

11-15-2011, 12:42 AM

I don't think Costas was trying to make him look innocent, but there's no denying NBC gave Sandusky network air time to state his case.

Why?

Why not? I have no objection to somebody stating their case. Especially in one that is as public as this one. Let's be honest, there is nothing he could have said that would have turned public opinion. But he managed to say plenty to set it all further in stone.

ForeverChiefs58

11-15-2011, 12:50 AM

Before things got so FUZZY.

Dude, I think of the lyrics to that song, all the time. Everyday, the song gets deeper and deeper in meaning.

Quick trivia question, who is the famous singer that sings back up on the tune? Also, extra credit, who plays guitar?

Sheryl Crow. Don Henley?

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:57 AM

Why not? I have no objective to somebody stating their case. Especially in one that is as public as this one. Let's be honest, there is nothing he could have said that would have turned public opinion. But he managed to say plenty to set it all further in stone.Well, it's a win-win for the network, which is why they had no problem airing it.

I just think if there is an admitted cover-up(there has to be, because several KNEW back in 2002) and he agrees to an interview, sounds like they are trying to cut this off at the pass and he's already been given the green light to take the fall, with assurances he'll walk.

He's already walking and made bail for heinous crimes against innocent children and been given a soapbox to state his case, while this has transpired.

Have the victims been given national air time to state their case? Hell NO.

The media sways public opinion and any interview given to the man, creates reasonable doubt, which is what I think the defense is hoping for.

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 12:58 AM

Sheryl Crow. Don Henley?Yep, that's the back-up singer on the song.

Who's the lead guitar player on the track?

wazu

11-15-2011, 01:01 AM

Have the victims been given national air time to state their case? Hell NO.

The media sways public opinion and any interview given to the man, creates reasonable doubt, which is what I think the defense is hoping for.

Good point. I guess I just think there is nothing Sandusky can say to turn the tide. For me Costas was landing the final nail in his coffin by trying to "appear" balanced and reasonable while leading the guy to an absolutely disastrous interview that will have anybody who watches it wincing in disgust.

BigChiefFan

11-15-2011, 01:08 AM

Good point. I guess I just think there is nothing Sandusky can say to turn the tide. For me Costas was landing the final nail in his coffin by trying to "appear" balanced and reasonable while leading the guy to an absolutely disastrous interview that will have anybody who watches it wincing in disgust.I sure hope so, because that's the impression I got, as well. I just know, in this day and age, sick fucks like this walk, especially where money and power are concerned.

Dude, 15 PLUS YEARS of people KNOWING he showered with 10 year old boys and it's just now coming out.

memyselfI

11-15-2011, 06:47 AM

NBC is hurting for ratings. I hope this backfires and blows up on both Costas and Sandusky.

bevischief

11-15-2011, 07:01 AM

I agree, bro. I think it pretty much incriminated him, but it's clear NBC gave him a soapbox to plead his case, which makes it that much worse, IMO.

Add, that he's out on bail and I can't believe how low this country has sunk and catered to sickos and yet horsehit offenses are having the book thrown at them.

How in the Hell can a major university allow this to happen for 15 ****in' years and do NOTHING?

by winning.

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 07:04 AM

MMXcalibur

11-15-2011, 07:05 AM

...and how in the hell does somebody need to be "told" that showering with 10 year old boys, let alone "horse playing" while naked isn't something that should be done. Ever.

He should have been put away the first time simply based on that alone.

"We can't shower with little boys? Oh damn, my bad."

eazyb81

11-15-2011, 07:59 AM

What I want to know is did Sandusky get paid to do this interview?

If he did, does anyone else think it is immoral for NBC to effectively help fund Sandusky's defense of these charges through this interview? That is exactly what they are doing.

Deberg_1990

11-15-2011, 08:36 AM

but there's no denying NBC gave Sandusky network air time to state his case.

Why?

Ratings = $$$$$$$$$$$$

Theres no scruples when it comes to ratings.

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 08:41 AM

Why did they give him air time???

Because the basic legal framework in this country is that a person is presumed innocent? And ratings.

suzzer99

11-15-2011, 08:46 AM

He said Paterno never spoke to him about any of the allegations. That's pretty hard to believe.

I thought I also heard that Mcquery (sp?) is claiming he did stop the rape and that he didn't just walk out. Not good to start punching holes in the grand jury findings.

The GJ report is vague on what McQueary did or didn't do. It just says they saw him. Hard to imagine Sandusky didn't stop then.

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 08:50 AM

The GJ report is vague on what McQueary did or didn't do. It just says they saw him. Hard to imagine Sandusky didn't stop then.

It says he saw them. It says he called his dad immediately and went to his dads house. If you intervene, how do you not call the police?? You leave the kid with the rapist?? "Don't let me catch you two again, or next time it will be trouble!"

ForeverChiefs58

11-15-2011, 08:58 AM

The GJ report is vague on what McQueary did or didn't do. It just says they saw him. Hard to imagine Sandusky didn't stop then.

he stated he saw the child with his hands against the wall in the shower, heard a "slapping noise" from Sandusky raping the child.

You don't "hope someone stops now", you either call the police in tears at what you just witnessed, or do the world a favor and execute the POS right there.

tooge

11-15-2011, 09:07 AM

don't drop the soap Jerry

kysirsoze

11-15-2011, 09:23 AM

Have the victims been given national air time to state their case? Hell NO.

The media sways public opinion and any interview given to the man, creates reasonable doubt, which is what I think the defense is hoping for.

A. I've heard interviews on CNN and ESPN with victims.

B. I doubt most of the victims want a whole lot of national air time to discuss being raped.

C. It's the media's job to find and report truth, not set the stage for an easier conviction. I see no harm in letting the guy defend himself. If he had a leg to stand on he might have created some reasonable doubt with the public. He doesn't and he didn't.

ThaVirus

11-15-2011, 09:32 AM

So I haven't been keeping up too much with all of this but decided to listen to this interview. Can someone please tell me: how old were these "boys"? This is a college program so I was under the impression that they'd have been at least 18, in which case I think this isn't as big of an issue. Also, what role did JoePa play in the debacle?

On the video, that guy sounds like a cock-loving, skeezebag. "Are you sexually attracted to underrage boys?"... "Wellll.... Uhhh.... I enjoy being around young people." I don't really give a shit if I don't know the truth. I KNOW that motherfucker is a nasty bastard. If you ask anyone else that same question the first thing out of their mouth would be "FUCK NO!" or something similar.

EDIT: I was half-listening to the interview but relistened. So he was accused of raping a 10 year old boy with his hands against the wall and the accuser heard a "rhythmic slapping sound", but they were just "horsing around". Give me a fucking break. Execute this filthy fucker right now.

BoneKrusher

11-15-2011, 09:40 AM

EDIT: I was half-listening to the interview but relistened. So he was accused of raping a 10 year old boy with his hands against the wall and the accuser heard a "rhythmic slapping sound", but they were just "horsing around". Give me a ****ing break. Execute this filthy ****er right now.

or better yet, cut his penis off.
that would be a way to insure he doesn't ever try this again and he gets to live to think about what he did. :thumb:

lcarus

11-15-2011, 09:52 AM

Yeah he is presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law (which shouldn't take long to do), but I'm not in a ****ing court of law. Castrate this pedophile bastard and throw him in a dark hole to die.

InChiefsHeaven

11-15-2011, 09:55 AM

Well, it's a win-win for the network, which is why they had no problem airing it.

I just think if there is an admitted cover-up(there has to be, because several KNEW back in 2002) and he agrees to an interview, sounds like they are trying to cut this off at the pass and he's already been given the green light to take the fall, with assurances he'll walk.

He's already walking and made bail for heinous crimes against innocent children and been given a soapbox to state his case, while this has transpired.

Have the victims been given national air time to state their case? Hell NO.

The media sways public opinion and any interview given to the man, creates reasonable doubt, which is what I think the defense is hoping for.
I can't believe for a minute that if any of the victims wanted air time that they would be denied it. On the contrary, they are probably being hounded relentlessly for their stories.

"Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry!"

InChiefsHeaven

11-15-2011, 09:56 AM

Why is he being called "audiophile"? Is that CP language for audiophile?

*Edit* Answered my own question...

lcarus

11-15-2011, 09:57 AM

ForeverChiefs58

11-15-2011, 09:58 AM

Why is he being called "audiophile"? Is that CP language for audiophile?

*Edit* Answered my own question...

saying the real word offends child predators

InChiefsHeaven

11-15-2011, 10:03 AM

I was wondering..is there any possibility that any one of these kids were actually consenting with Sandusky? I'm not saying that makes it right AT ALL, but could it be that one or more of them will cover for him for that reason? I mean...I don't think I've known any 10 year old boys that are consenting to an old man sodomizing them, but then again I've never known any old men that are attracted to young boys (to my knowledge). This is just a horrid case all around.

It's moot. They are not old enough to consent. The fact that they didn't all scream "no" and run away is not consent.

I find it interesting that his lawyer is going to trot out this young man who was in the reported incident but couldn't be found by anyone...the Grand Jury report stated that his identity was unknown. So who is this kid they got, how come he was never found before? It's ridiculous to think that 10 years later Sandusky's attorney somehow finds this kid. It all smells.

ForeverChiefs58

11-15-2011, 10:08 AM

It's moot. They are not old enough to consent. The fact that they didn't all scream "no" and run away is not consent.

I find it interesting that his lawyer is going to trot out this young man who was in the reported incident but couldn't be found by anyone...the Grand Jury report stated that his identity was unknown. So who is this kid they got, how come he was never found before? It's ridiculous to think that 10 years later Sandusky's attorney somehow finds this kid. It all smells.

This is the same lawyer who impregnated a 16-year-old when he was 49.

eazyb81

11-15-2011, 10:11 AM

This is the same lawyer who impregnated a 16-year-old when he was 49.

You couldn't pick a better representative for Sandusky. Just disgusting.

http://www.wwtdd.com/2011/11/jerry-sanduskys-lawyer-is-a-pedophile-too/

tooge

11-15-2011, 10:14 AM

I heard Sundusky was just horsing around naked in his house once and accidentally sat on a Barbie doll and it went up his ass

RNR

11-15-2011, 10:22 AM

He sounds like Micheal Jackson in that clip. What he admits to doing is inappropriate behavior~

lcarus

11-15-2011, 10:23 AM

It's moot. They are not old enough to consent. The fact that they didn't all scream "no" and run away is not consent.

I find it interesting that his lawyer is going to trot out this young man who was in the reported incident but couldn't be found by anyone...the Grand Jury report stated that his identity was unknown. So who is this kid they got, how come he was never found before? It's ridiculous to think that 10 years later Sandusky's attorney somehow finds this kid. It all smells.

I know they have no legal right to consent. What I'm wondering is, could any of them cover for him because they "liked" what happened? I know that's a sick notion, but it's a sick world.

Otter

11-15-2011, 10:26 AM

I heard Sundusky was just horsing around naked in his house once and accidentally sat on a Barbie doll and it went up his ass

"I tell ya doc, it was a million to one shot"

"Would have never believed it if I didn't see it myself".

"It had to be cork screw pasta"

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 10:30 AM

I know they have no legal right to consent. What I'm wondering is, could any of them cover for him because they "liked" what happened? I know that's a sick notion, but it's a sick world.

Are you retarded?

Pants

11-15-2011, 10:33 AM

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/106/862/Ready-the-afforementioned-entrance-to-the-gluteus-maximus-region-that-you-doth-possess.jpg?1318992465

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 10:34 AM

Sandusky gave a nonsensical answer to explain away the shower incident, claiming the kid was sliding on the shower floor.

stevieray

11-15-2011, 10:39 AM

Sandusky gave a nonsensical answer to explain away the shower incident, claiming the kid was sliding on the shower floor.

ya, because being in the SHOWER with a TEN YEAR OLD isn't out of the ordinary.

...I wouldve killed the SOB.

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 10:49 AM

The words of a sick ****.

Am I sexually attracted to underage boys? Sexually attracted? You know, I enjoy young people. I, I love to be around them. I, I... But no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys.

Bearcat

11-15-2011, 10:50 AM

I find it interesting that his lawyer is going to trot out this young man who was in the reported incident but couldn't be found by anyone...the Grand Jury report stated that his identity was unknown. So who is this kid they got, how come he was never found before? It's ridiculous to think that 10 years later Sandusky's attorney somehow finds this kid. It all smells.

That part of the conversation bugged me. Costas says "so, you found the boy when the Commonwealth could not?" and the lawyer says "yeah, interesting, isn't it?" with a cocky little smirk on his face.

What kind of point was the lawyer trying to make by saying "interesting, isn't it?"... that the Commonwealth wouldn't have done everything in its power to track down the most important witness in the case? That it took an incredibly desperate person to track down the kid first... oh, it was just another kid he naively horsed around with one time, but here are all of his details, how to find him, etc... :spock:

lcarus

11-15-2011, 10:54 AM

Are you retarded?

I don't think it's a hard concept to grasp. One or more of the boys might still like Sandusky even after the molestation. It's far more likely that they wouldn't come forward due to shame, fear, or getting paid off...but who knows how much Sandusky could have twisted their young minds?

BIG_DADDY

11-15-2011, 10:54 AM

That part of the conversation bugged me. Costas says "so, you found the boy when the Commonwealth could not?" and the lawyer says "yeah, interesting, isn't it?" with a cocky little smirk on his face.

What kind of point was the lawyer trying to make by saying "interesting, isn't it?"... that the Commonwealth wouldn't have done everything in its power to track down the most important witness in the case? That it took an incredibly desperate person to track down the kid first... oh, it was just another kid he naively horsed around with one time, but here are all of his details, how to find him, etc... :spock:

He's insinuating that the Commonwealth isn't being forthright in addressing the issue. That is entirely possible.

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 10:56 AM

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4673/jerrysanduskylinebackin.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/jerrysanduskylinebackin.jpg/)

bevischief

11-15-2011, 11:00 AM

It shouldn't be to hard to find the kid, the parents would have had to sign paperwork for the kid to go to camp.

Mr. Laz

11-15-2011, 11:01 AM

wow ... just heard part of it now.

Costas - are you sexually attracted to young boys?

Sandusky - um,you mean attracted,attracted or just attracted ... um, i enjoy spending time with young ... umm, nnnnooo, i'm not. yea, that's it, i'm not attracted to young boys.

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14//yeah-that-s-the-ticket.4515310.40.jpg

:doh!: dude couldn't even convince himself.

lcarus

11-15-2011, 11:02 AM

The fact that Sandusky's defense might be able to get one or more of the young males to come forward and claim that the abuse never happened is...troubling. For whatever reason. I know there have been cases where young sexual abuse victims will still stand by their abusers. It's sick. I don't know what some people think, but I believe there is that horrible possibility.

BucEyedPea

11-15-2011, 11:03 AM

He has a book still on amazon, at least it was still there yesterday. Look at the comments!

The title of the book is Touched.

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 11:05 AM

He has a book still on amazon, at least it was still there yesterday. Look at the comments!

The title of the book is Touched.

We've landed on the moon!

bevischief

11-15-2011, 11:08 AM

He has a book still on amazon, at least it was still there yesterday. Look at the comments!

The title of the book is Touched.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321376795&sr=1-1

1 used from $99.88 1 collectible from $235.00 for a 1 and a half star rated book...ROFL

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 11:09 AM

The kind of lawyering I'd expect from a teen impregnator.

http://www.thesuperficial.com/jerry-sanduskys-lawyer-mike-mcqueary-is-lying-11-2011

Amendola maintains all of them could be lying. “Isn’t that a possibility?’’ Amendola said. “What we’re saying is we plan to investigate this and find out if that’s a possibility. <b>Is it possible that Jerry did all these things? Of course. </b>And if he did, they’re the most serious types of offenses that anyone could commit upon children and should be punished accordingly.

Easy 6

11-15-2011, 11:26 AM

We were just goofing around in the shower together naked, snapping towels, sliding around on the floor together, me & the preteen boy, just normal guy stuff.

Do i like boys sexually? well, i mean, not really, i guess not, no, no kinda maybe.

May they burn that place to the ground.

Bearcat

11-15-2011, 11:29 AM

He's insinuating that the Commonwealth isn't being forthright in addressing the issue. That is entirely possible.

That makes sense... guess I shouldn't assume the Commonwealth would have reported contact with that witness if the witness wasn't cooperative or whatever, since they already had McQuery's story.

4th and Long

11-15-2011, 11:30 AM

Costas: Coach, do you know the pharse that is now commonly used for older women who are attracted to younger boys?

Sandusky: I believe they are called Cougars, Bob.

Costas: That's correct coach. Are you famaliar with the term used for older men who are attratced to young boys?

Sandusky: I don't believe so, Bob.

Costas: That would be a Nittany Lion, coach.

Pants

11-15-2011, 11:42 AM

/groan

FAX

11-15-2011, 11:48 AM

There are rumors afloat in the pirate world that many of the kids are about to recant.

Probably just rumors and junk talk. Still, this is what happened in the Franklin Credit Union deal ... kids started recanting as their family members were murdered or committed suicide by drowning themselves in the kitchen sink.

I honestly do not believe that we'll ever get to the bottom of all this. There is a dark side to America that no one wants to see and I don't think the authorities will be willing to turn over every filthy rock in this deal. I don't think they'll have the courage or the character to do so.

FAX

lcarus

11-15-2011, 02:04 PM

I soooo can't listen to sports radio right now. They just keep playing the same Bob Costas interview over and over and over and over....and then having the same exact discussion. I know they have to and all, but I'm just tired of it until new shit comes to light.

Just reminded myself of The Big Lebowski. "New shit has come to light man!"

suzzer99

11-15-2011, 02:07 PM

That sucks because sports radio is usually such a joy to listen to. :/

lcarus

11-15-2011, 03:27 PM

That sucks because sports radio is usually such a joy to listen to. :/

Not really, but when you're bored at work and have to choose between FM radio and sports radio on AM...usually AM is a better choice for me. I can't listen to music all day anyway.

Bearcat

11-15-2011, 04:03 PM

No surprises...
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7238536/did-sandusky-interview-change-opinions

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/bearcat2002/sandusky.png

lcarus

11-15-2011, 04:08 PM

My parents always taught me to not shower with strangers. Guess they were right.

eazyb81

11-15-2011, 04:14 PM

lcarus

11-15-2011, 04:16 PM

eazyb81

11-15-2011, 04:20 PM

So has it been discussed that Mike McQuery is going to be on CBS Nightly News tonight and is expected to blow the lid off the entire Sandusky case?

He is claiming he actually did go to police and they didn't do anything with it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-mc-mcqueary-email-20111115,0,2014293.story

In the email obtained by The Morning Call, dated Nov. 8, McQueary said "I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

"No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds," McQueary wrote. "Trust me."

Weak. If he just walked in and it stopped, then McQuery didn't "stop" anything. And it sounds like he left the boy with Sandusky.

Dude is a coward and just made he's getting called out.

Carlota69

11-15-2011, 04:22 PM

Weak. If he just walked in and it stopped, then McQuery didn't "stop" anything. And it sounds like he left the boy with Sandusky.

Dude is a coward and just made he's getting called out.

And add to the fact that this makes him look like a liar, which blows his credibility out the door.

Swanman

11-15-2011, 04:28 PM

And add to the fact that this makes him look like a liar, which blows his credibility out the door.

I hope he is lying because if he actually did go to the police and nothing was done, that's a whole new level of holy shit.

FAX

11-15-2011, 04:30 PM

I don't know ...

Of all the people involved in this deal, McQueary's story is the only one holding up. The fact that details were left out of the grand jury report has caused a lot of confusion.

I swear to God, though ... I'd like to believe that most people would have beaten Sandusky half to death right there on the spot, taken the boy to the nearest ER for a rape kit, and called his parents and the police along the way.

This is unbelievably sick ... all the way around.

FAX

jlscorpio

11-15-2011, 04:32 PM

i hope PSU never recovers from this. EVERYONE knew. fuck their uniforms too.

lcarus

11-15-2011, 04:33 PM

wazu

11-15-2011, 04:44 PM

i hope PSU never recovers from this. EVERYONE knew. fuck their uniforms too.

Okay that's taking it a bit far. I actually feel sorry for the overwhelming majority of people associated with Penn State. The alumni, current students, everybody. Their hero/legend is destroyed. The identity of the school and the legacy of the football program most of them have loved and cheered for all of their lives is destroyed. And think how many people have worked for the school over the past several decades who had no idea whatsoever of any of this, but now people who know them wonder..."did they know?"

Obviously the real tragedy is what happened to those children, but there is a large community of people who have been crushed by this who didn't do anything to deserve it.

gblowfish

11-15-2011, 04:48 PM

Costas: "Are you a pedophile?"
Sandusky: "No. Well, wait, is the ten year old naked and really cute?"

jlscorpio

11-15-2011, 04:49 PM

Fair point Wazu. Didn't LJ's daddy work under Sandusky as DL coach???

lcarus

11-15-2011, 04:50 PM

Fair point Wazu. Didn't LJ's daddy work under Sandusky as DL coach???

Now we know why that prick is so bitter and hateful. Showers.

FAX

11-15-2011, 04:52 PM

Fair point Wazu. Didn't LJ's daddy work under Sandusky as DL coach???

Wow. I hadn't even thought of that.

FAX

gblowfish

11-15-2011, 04:54 PM

Fair point Wazu. Didn't LJ's daddy work under Sandusky as DL coach???

Maybe that's why he got so pissed at the "Take off the diapers" crack.
First time he heard it was at Penn State growing up!

kstater

11-15-2011, 04:54 PM

@SPORTSbyBROOKS: Source...Penn St Trustee told me school may have no choice 2 keep Bradley b/c he knows where bodies are

-King-

11-15-2011, 04:56 PM

I'm 90% sure this guy will end up killing himself, and the world will be better off.

"In retrospect, I shouldn't have showered with those boys."

In what world do you need to look at it in retrospect to know not to shower and touch children?

FAX

11-15-2011, 04:57 PM

@SPORTSbyBROOKS: Source...Penn St Trustee told me school may have no choice 2 keep Bradley b/c he knows where bodies are

What does that mean?

My twitterterpreter is busted.

FAX

kstater

11-15-2011, 05:03 PM

What does that mean?

My twitterterpreter is busted.

FAX

I can't decipher the meaning of the first part. They either can or cannot keep him because he reportedly knows where bodies are(I'm assuming this is the dead prosecutor).

FAX

11-15-2011, 05:08 PM

I wonder if anybody there has the balls to actually run this entire story to ground.

I kinda doubt it.

FAX

Calcountry

11-15-2011, 05:09 PM

Sandusky knows he's dead to rights. He's trying to deflect attention back to himself, trying to protect the cult of Penn St. and somehow absolve himself with JoePa.Penn State needs the death Penalty. Sucks to be them right now.

Bane

11-15-2011, 05:22 PM

I had to take a day off from the coverage after hearing Costas Ask about Mc Queer's claim of rhythmic slapping...I just about ****ing puked when he asked Sandysky about it.

Pushead2

11-15-2011, 05:27 PM

I had to take a day off from the coverage after hearing Costas Ask about Mc Queer's claim of rhythmic slapping...I just about ****ing puked when he asked Sandysky about it.

same man....

FAX

11-15-2011, 05:29 PM

Sandusky decided to screw himself when he agreed to that interview.

FAX

RNR

11-15-2011, 05:30 PM

Skyy God

11-15-2011, 05:37 PM

Sandusky decided to screw himself when he agreed to that interview.

FAX

A man needs to know his strengths and weaknesses. If you can't help coming across as a pedobear, don't do interviews.

chiefzilla1501

11-15-2011, 06:00 PM

And add to the fact that this makes him look like a liar, which blows his credibility out the door.

People are being unreasonable. He's being called a coward for nor assaulting his boss. And a list for not disclosing everything against an employer that was taking great lengyhs to cover up including probably influencing the authorities.

He was a kid against a massive system. Sounds like he stopped it, he reported it to all the right people, and revealed the most in front of a grand jury. What more do people want? Those were all courageous moves and unlike the huge legion of people who knew and said nothing for years, this nobody kid said something. And hes getting destroyed for it.

stonedstooge

11-15-2011, 06:02 PM

People are being unreasonable. He's being called a coward for nor assaulting his boss. And a list for not disclosing everything against an employer that was taking great lengyhs to cover up including probably influencing the authorities.

He was a kid against a massive system. Sounds like he stopped it, he reported it to all the right people, and revealed the most in front of a grand jury. What more do people want? Those were all courageous moves and unlike the huge legion of people who knew and said nothing for years, this nobody kid said something. And hes getting destroyed for it.

He was 28 when it happened, I think

teedubya

11-15-2011, 06:08 PM

teedubya

11-15-2011, 06:10 PM

Maybe that's why he got so pissed at the "Take off the diapers" crack.
First time he heard it was at Penn State growing up!

Ohhhhh. *groans ROFL

chiefzilla1501

11-15-2011, 06:10 PM

He was 28 when it happened, I think

When I was 28, i was learning how to operate in the corporate world and give presidents scared the shit out of me. He was a baby in the real world.

stonedstooge

11-15-2011, 06:13 PM

When I was 28, i was learning how to operate in the corporate world and give presidents scared the shit out of me. He was a baby in the real world.

I was a direct supervisor over several coaches

Brock

11-15-2011, 06:20 PM

28's old enough to know what to do, unless he's a complete pussy.

FAX

11-15-2011, 06:31 PM

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 06:57 PM

chiefzilla1501

11-15-2011, 11:05 PM

Sandusky was not his boss in 2002.

Sandusky was retired in 1999.

He was not a kid. He was 28.

Reporting it to Paterno the next day was not courageous.

He deserves to be destroyed for making a completely selfish decision.

Have you not been following how far psu was willing to go to protect their reputation? And for a guy who wasnt employed there, boy did psu do a lot to protect him and keep this hush hush.

You're asking a 28 year old kid at the bottom of the totem pole to assault a guy with consuderable influence, and take down a corrupt organization where the head coach, the AD, the oresident, help likely the police, maybe even the judge and members of the governmebt are covering this up.

Mcqueary is david
Psu is goliath

If mcqueary stooped the act, told his coach, told the AD, told the campus police, told his dad (a coach) and told the police... What else could he do?

Chiefnj2

11-15-2011, 11:18 PM

Have you not been following how far psu was willing to go to protect their reputation? And for a guy who wasnt employed there, boy did psu do a lot to protect him and keep this hush hush.

You're asking a 28 year old kid at the bottom of the totem pole to assault a guy with consuderable influence, and take down a corrupt organization where the head coach, the AD, the oresident, help likely the police, maybe even the judge and members of the governmebt are covering this up.

Mcqueary is david
Psu is goliath

If mcqueary stooped the act, told his coach, told the AD, told the campus police, told his dad (a coach) and told the police... What else could he do?

He left the kid in the hands of a rapist. He could have called the police. Not some campus rent-a-cop.

chiefzilla1501

11-15-2011, 11:21 PM

28?

Hell, Benjamin Franklin was 28 when he told the French to kiss his fat ass. Donovan was 28 when he dropped acid and wrote Hurdy Gurdy Man. Leif Ericson was 28 when he discovered America on a friggin' raft.

28 is plenty old enough to stop a child rape.

FAX

Cmon. This is more than stopping child rape. This is about taking down a corrupt institution hell bent on covering up blemishes. There were oodles of people older than mcqueAry who knew and never said a word. Do you believe all these people were evil? Or just maybe because they knew exactly the repercussions of, gasp, daring to speak out against Joe pa and Penn state?

chiefzilla1501

11-15-2011, 11:28 PM

He left the kid in the hands of a rapist. He could have called the police. Not some campus rent-a-cop.

Is there any proof that he left the scene without diffusing the situation?
Do we have any idea if he was threatened by Sandusky in any way?
Doesnt it seem like before the incident, mcqueAry not only knew about Sandusky, he knew that psu was carefully covering this up?

We don't know the answers to these things. Yet we're he'll bent on ruining the guys life for it.

Sure-Oz

11-15-2011, 11:55 PM

Is there any proof that he left the scene without diffusing the situation?
Do we have any idea if he was threatened by Sandusky in any way?
Doesnt it seem like before the incident, mcqueAry not only knew about Sandusky, he knew that psu was carefully covering this up?

We don't know the answers to these things. Yet we're he'll bent on ruining the guys life for it.

Zero tolerance for this type of shit. They didn't do enough, period

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 12:17 AM

Zero tolerance for this type of shit. They didn't do enough, period

The question is how much you expect a 28-year old to do. A nobody fighting a powerful, corrupt system.

People grilled him before the facts came out. Now the claim is that he did stop it, he did report it to the police. Every report sounds like he took all the necessary steps to make the case known and the authorities did NOTHING. What do you do when your boss, your own father, and the police sit on their hands and do nothing?

People act all tough and say that he's a coward for not beating the shit out of the guy. Yeah, because it's that easy. There are no repercussions for doing that.

People are pissed and they should be. But let's not make this a witch hunt and blame the only guy who appears to have followed protocol.

FAX

11-16-2011, 12:27 AM

Cmon. This is more than stopping child rape. This is about taking down a corrupt institution hell bent on covering up blemishes. There were oodles of people older than mcqueAry who knew and never said a word. Do you believe all these people were evil? Or just maybe because they knew exactly the repercussions of, gasp, daring to speak out against Joe pa and Penn state?

Actually, Mr. chiefzilla1501, I think what you describe is exactly what was occurring ... at least, it looks that way.

It appears that oodles of people were, in fact, willing to set aside their moral duty in order to protect the image of the university in general and the reputation of JoePa in particular.

To whatever extent McQueary and anyone else were complicit in that effort is the gauge whereby we can measure both their culpability and responsibility in the matter. Some of those people were probably more aggressive than others in their desire to see this potential scandal swept aside. And some were likely only following orders or doing what they thought was best for the university and their figurehead in anticipation of acknowledgement, praise, or advancement.

But think of it this way for a moment; such a motivation actually makes the failure to meet their moral duty more egregious ... not less so. In fact, the lower down the totem pole, the less one had to lose and, therefore, the more irresponsible their actions, or inaction as it were.

FAX

Bambi

11-16-2011, 12:34 AM

They should just close this school down.

It's done-zo

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 12:42 AM

Actually, Mr. chiefzilla1501, I think what you describe is exactly what was occurring ... at least, it looks that way.

It appears that oodles of people were, in fact, willing to set aside their moral duty in order to protect the image of the university in general and the reputation of JoePa in particular.

To whatever extent McQueary and anyone else were complicit in that effort is the gauge whereby we can measure both their culpability and responsibility in the matter. Some of those people were probably more aggressive than others in their desire to see this potential scandal swept aside. And some were likely only following orders or doing what they thought was best for the university and their figurehead in anticipation of acknowledgement, praise, or advancement.

But think of it this way for a moment; such a motivation actually makes the failure to meet their moral duty more egregious ... not less so. In fact, the lower down the totem pole, the less one had to lose and, therefore, the more irresponsible their actions, or inaction as it were.

FAX

I fully disagree. The higher up the totem pole, the more likely it is that your voice will be heard. If Joe Pa screamed to the presses, he looks like a hero. And besides, he's sitting on a gajillion dollars and a legacy. Hell, Joe Pa did everything wrong and people STILL brand him as a hero. He'd come out of this just fine. For these guys, there's almost no repercussion for covering it up. Except for being the guy that causes a hiccup in PSU's reputation. Oh, the horror.

McQueary is a young kid with an entire career in front of him, on a grad assistant income. If he rats, he probably gets fired, likely never coaches for a competitive program ever again (or would have a difficult time landing that job), and he has to deal with the nutjobs sending him death threats and the huge PSU alumni network going out of their way to make sure he never gets a job anywhere again. Doubtful he has enough money to be unemployed for months. Oh, and Paterno firing a pervert... no big deal. McQueary had to call in a pervert and pretty much report a cover-up. Very big deal.

The authorities had the power, the authority, and the choice to do the right thing, but chose not to for selfish reasons. McQueary had no power, no authority, and a lot to lose by doing the right thing.

FAX

11-16-2011, 01:20 AM

When you're talking about a corrupt institution, Mr. chiefzilla150, it's a simple equation, really; the greater the power, the greater the tendency to strive to retain that power.

If that is true, then McQueary (who, by your own admission had little or no power) had no legitimate reason not to stop Sandusky's serial molestation dead in its tracks when he encountered the shower scene rape. The only possible reason for him to defer to JoePa is exactly as you describe ... he put his own, personal interests ahead of those of a 10-year-old rape victim. He might lose his job, after all. He might find it difficult to secure a future job. He might be ostracized from the Penn State club. How horrible are those possible outcomes compared to the rape of a boy.

Your efforts to couch that as somehow reasonable or understandable is failing to jive in my brainpan.

Of course, McQueary has now said he did stop the rape, did contact the police, and did follow up. If that's true ... good for him. But even so, he did not go far enough. Any true human being would have taken that child away from Sandusky's clutches and influence on the spot and delivered him forthwith to the nearest emergency room.

I see very little grey area on this deal. This is one of those cases where the difference between right and wrong is clearly obvious. But, as is the case in Amerika, it's all about perception and spin. Adhering to the minimal letter of the law and to hell with the greater calling of the spirit and let's certainly never elevate another person's well-being ahead of our own, personal, selfish needs ... regardless of the other's innocence or inability to protect themselves.

FAX

Smed1065

11-16-2011, 01:36 AM

He left the kid in the hands of a rapist. He could have called the police. Not some campus rent-a-cop.

FYI. Campus police are real and usually have a tude like the Independence police force- Means fuck you with them.

They have done worse than fucking a few under ages.

InChiefsHeaven

11-16-2011, 06:59 AM

What I don't get is why McQueary's grand jury testimony does not reflect this claim that he stopped the rape and that he reported it to police. That is NOT IN THE GRAND JURY REPORT! So, either it never came out in the Grand Jury testimony (not bloody likely) or he's saying it now to cover his arse. No pun intended.

I hear all this about how he was a 28 year old "kid" and it drives me nuts. When the hell are you not a kid? 30?? No wonder people in their 20's aren't taken seriously. We apparently still think of them as "kids".

This whole line of reasoning is symptomatic of what's wrong with our society. No black and white. Everything's gray. Well sorry, but witnessing the anal rape of a 10 year old child is the easiest call when trying to discern right from wrong. It's just not up for debate. Worrying about your career at that moment is even more amazing to me. That's one of those situations where later on, you think of the possible consequences but at that moment you do what normal human instinct SHOULD dictate: Save the innocent, get him help from the police, possibly kick the shit out of Sandusky but at the very least get the boy the hell out of there. And the chips will fall where they may. No way your life is ruined by reporting this and doing the right thing. Granted, probably won't get a job at Penn State, but it's not the only school in the world...

Deberg_1990

11-16-2011, 07:20 AM

Mike McQueary speaks!

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Chiefnj2

11-16-2011, 07:27 AM

If he went to the police, you'd think there would be (a) an officer who took a report/phone call, (b) the Commonwealth would be able to ID the victim, and (c) a mention of it in the grand jury report.

The only place I've seen McQueery claim he went to the police was in the email to a friend. He didn't say it in the news.

Chiefnj2

11-16-2011, 07:30 AM

eazyb81

11-16-2011, 07:33 AM

I am about 90% convinced that chiefzilla actually is Mike McQueery.

eazyb81

11-16-2011, 08:03 AM

Have we talked about this yet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html?_r=2&hp

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July, less than four months before a sexual abuse scandal engulfed his Penn State football program and the university.....

Lawrence A. Frolik, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who specializes in elder law, said that he had “never heard” of a husband selling his share of a house for $1 to his spouse for tax or government assistance purposes.

“I can’t see any tax advantages,” Frolik said. “If someone told me that, my reaction would be, ‘Are they hoping to shield assets in case if there’s personal liability?’ ” He added, “It sounds like an attempt to avoid personal liability in having assets in his wife’s name.”
So good ole Joe Pa just out of the blue sold his house to his wife for $1 to shield assets in the off chance he would be personally liable in a lawsuit? That's random.

Also strange that he did this four months ago, yet the Sandusky news was not publicly released until after he broke the NCAA all-time wins record.

I'm sure Joe Pa's in the clear though. He's old and tells funny stories.

InChiefsHeaven

11-16-2011, 08:12 AM

Have we talked about this yet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html?_r=2&hp

So good ole Joe Pa just out of the blue sold his house to his wife for $1 to shield assets in the off chance he would be personally liable in a lawsuit? That's random.

Also strange that he did this four months ago, yet the Sandusky news was not publicly released until after he broke the NCAA all-time wins record.

I'm sure Joe Pa's in the clear though. He's old and tells funny stories.

Holy shit. Just...wow...so this took place after the Grand Jury report...but before it hit the press.

bevischief

11-16-2011, 08:54 AM

Have we talked about this yet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html?_r=2&hp

So good ole Joe Pa just out of the blue sold his house to his wife for $1 to shield assets in the off chance he would be personally liable in a lawsuit? That's random.

Also strange that he did this four months ago, yet the Sandusky news was not publicly released until after he broke the NCAA all-time wins record.

I'm sure Joe Pa's in the clear though. He's old and tells funny stories.

:hmmm: I wonder what other sales he has done...

luv

11-16-2011, 09:08 AM

McQueary had no power, no authority, and a lot to lose by doing the right thing.

He's young. So what if he doesn't end up coaching. There are tons of other things he can do to make a living. Sorry, but I'd rather be able to live with myself than pursue a certain career, especially when there are so many other options.

Sure-Oz

11-16-2011, 09:13 AM

Apparently Joe Pa's statue is going down on thanksgiving break

BigRock

11-16-2011, 09:14 AM

What I don't get is why McQueary's grand jury testimony does not reflect this claim that he stopped the rape and that he reported it to police.
In fairness to McQueary, we don't know that it doesn't. Nobody has seen his grand jury testimony. We've seen a grand jury report, which is a summary of the charges being filed. It's not a transcript. It's not meant to recap every detail that the witnesses testified to.

And the grand jury report does point out that when McQueary saw Sandusky and the boy, he also stated that Sandusky and the boy saw him. That alone might suggest he "stopped" it, in the sense that his mere presence put an end to things. It's hard to imagine that Sandusky saw him and just kept going.

But even if he's telling the truth, none of it explains the fact that a decade passed with Sandusky never being arrested, Sandusky still hanging around the team, Sandusky still bringing kids around, and McQueary never doing a thing. So it's not like he's going to end up looking good.

eazyb81

11-16-2011, 09:22 AM

In fairness to McQueary, we don't know that it doesn't. Nobody has seen his grand jury testimony. We've seen a grand jury report, which is a summary of the charges being filed. It's not a transcript. It's not meant to recap every detail that the witnesses testified to.

And the grand jury report does point out that when McQueary saw Sandusky and the boy, he also stated that Sandusky and the boy saw him. That alone might suggest he "stopped" it, in the sense that his mere presence put an end to things. It's hard to imagine that Sandusky saw him and just kept going.

But even if he's telling the truth, none of it explains the fact that a decade passed with Sandusky never being arrested, Sandusky still hanging around the team, Sandusky still bringing kids around, and McQueary never doing a thing. So it's not like he's going to end up looking good.

And McQueery not taking the boy away from Sandusky and going straight to police.

The guy is a little coward despite how hard some like chiefzilla want to spin it. Sometimes you have to just call a spade a spade.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 10:49 AM

And the award for the Planeteer you would least like to be in a foxhole with goes to Mr. Chiefzilla. "I couldn't shoot back, I'm only 28. If I killed a Nazi I might someday go for an interview at Mercedes and not get the job. I might want to travel to Austria at some point in my life."

This isn't about killing the enemy. This is about betraying your own, and a well connected man at that. And first of all, Mercedes isn't the powerful institution psu is. It sounds lije they were practically controlling lww enforcement too. Secondly, this happens in corporate America all the time. It's why they have whistleblower laws.

BIG_DADDY

11-16-2011, 10:50 AM

Apparently Joe Pa's statue is going down on thanksgiving break

So they went with that rather than adding a boy?

ForeverChiefs58

11-16-2011, 10:57 AM

And McQueery not taking the boy away from Sandusky and going straight to police.

The guy is a little coward despite how hard some like chiefzilla want to spin it. Sometimes you have to just call a spade a spade.

Exactly. He didn't take the boy away, he didn't call the boy's parents, he didn't drive straight to a police station demanding justice and preventing any future abuse. He didn't even concern the coach with it until the next day.

Same with the person who walked in on him giving oral sex to a boy.

eazyb81

11-16-2011, 11:08 AM

This isn't about killing the enemy. This is about betraying your own, and a well connected man at that. And first of all, Mercedes isn't the powerful institution psu is. It sounds lije they were practically controlling lww enforcement too. Secondly, this happens in corporate America all the time. It's why they have whistleblower laws.

Um, once I walk in on someone raping a 10 year old boy, I no longer view them as one of my own. That's just me though.

stevieray

11-16-2011, 11:32 AM

what you are was obviously more important than who you are to McQ...

you know it happened, nothing was done about it for years and that doesn't bother you?

morally bankrupt, at the very least.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 11:39 AM

stevieray

11-16-2011, 11:41 AM

ratting out
..it's not ratting out when it's against the law.

and as long as you continue take that perspective, that makes you look like you are on the wrong side of the law.

Bugeater

11-16-2011, 11:41 AM

Have we talked about this yet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html?_r=2&hp

So good ole Joe Pa just out of the blue sold his house to his wife for $1 to shield assets in the off chance he would be personally liable in a lawsuit? That's random.

Also strange that he did this four months ago, yet the Sandusky news was not publicly released until after he broke the NCAA all-time wins record.

I'm sure Joe Pa's in the clear though. He's old and tells funny stories.
How the hell does that work when you're married to the woman you sold it to? Wouldn't the house still be considered a joint asset? What about the millions the guy probably has in the bank, is protecting it as simple as depositing it in an account that only has his wife's name on it?

I'm no lawyer, but I find that hard to believe.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 11:43 AM

He's young. So what if he doesn't end up coaching. There are tons of other things he can do to make a living. Sorry, but I'd rather be able to live with myself than pursue a certain career, especially when there are so many other options.

You're not thinking through the repercussions.

Asking a guy to throw his entire careers and dreams out the window to do the right thing is a tall order. If he makes $25,000 less per year, that means doing the right thing will cost him $750,000 over a lifetime.

More importantly, is it easy to pull down a public figure? Why do you think rape victims don't accuse athletes? Because fans are lunatics. If McQueary takes down the Penn State program, he has to deal with threats to his family, death threats, and everyone hating you.

So no, people can't pretend this is just about doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing. This is about a shitty system that made it impossible to do the right thing, or else suffer the consequences. There is a major psychological and financial toll to blowing the whistle. It's why a lot of good people watch ungodly shit and don't turn it in.

suzzer99

11-16-2011, 11:43 AM

Exactly. He didn't take the boy away, he didn't call the boy's parents, he didn't drive straight to a police station demanding justice and preventing any future abuse. He didn't even concern the coach with it until the next day.

Same with the person who walked in on him giving oral sex to a boy.

While this is all true and McQueary is certainly culpable, I think you have to at least admit there were some mitigating circumstances in that he's surrounded by men who are all much much more powerful than him in a field he's desperately trying to rise up in (basically he's staring at becoming an insurance agent if he makes waves on this), and on some level he had to think the higher-ups would do the right thing.

When that didn't happen, so much time had passed that he has to worry if the cops will even believe him, or if Sandusky could even turn the tables and say McQueary was the one molesting the kid (assuming McQueary didn't know about the 1998 investigation). You have to admit in Happy Valley a small-fry like McQueary going up against a demi-god like Sandusky has got to be a terrifying proposition. For all he knows the DA and police would conspire with Sandusky to bury him.

Also I give him some credit for finally coming forward and telling the truth. Keep in mind that if he just stonewalls the police and grand jury like Schultz, McQueary, Spanier and Paterno - they all get off scot-free. The rest of them had to be counting on this and I wouldn't be surprised if they leaned heavily on him to do so. Even 6 years later it still took a ton of balls for him to tell the truth, knowing the shitstorm that was going to come.

So again I definitely hold him responsible and culpable, but I put the others way higher than him on the blame and scumbag list.

Bugeater

11-16-2011, 11:48 AM

You're not thinking through the repercussions.

Asking a guy to throw his entire careers and dreams out the window to do the right thing is a tall order. If he makes $25,000 less per year, that means doing the right thing will cost him $750,000 over a lifetime.

More importantly, is it easy to pull down a public figure? Why do you think rape victims don't accuse athletes? Because fans are lunatics. If McQueary takes down the Penn State program, he has to deal with threats to his family, death threats, and everyone hating you.

So no, people can't pretend this is just about doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing. This is about a shitty system that made it impossible to do the right thing, or else suffer the consequences. There is a major psychological and financial toll to blowing the whistle. It's why a lot of good people watch ungodly shit and don't turn it in.
Yep, I'm not convinced that the guy didn't fear for his life, after all it's pretty damn obvious there were plenty of powerful people wanting to keep this buried. And I'm sure as hell not going to bury him until all the facts come out, if they even ever do.

suzzer99

11-16-2011, 11:49 AM

Oh that whole thing with the DA is spooky.

kstater

11-16-2011, 03:21 PM

Judge that has been in the bed with Charity kicked aside.

InChiefsHeaven

11-16-2011, 03:55 PM

Judge that has been in the bed with Charity kicked aside.

Who's Charity? Is she hot?

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 05:00 PM

Yep, I'm not convinced that the guy didn't fear for his life, after all it's pretty damn obvious there were plenty of powerful people wanting to keep this buried. And I'm sure as hell not going to bury him until all the facts come out, if they even ever do.

Yup. When everybody knows, but nobody tells... you know something is up. Either there are a lot of really horrible people, or people felt there were consequences to speaking up. I think it was the latter.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 05:01 PM

..it's not ratting out when it's against the law.

and as long as you continue take that perspective, that makes you look like you are on the wrong side of the law.

When all the authorities, including even the law itself, don't enforce the law... how do you know what the law is exactly?

VAChief

11-16-2011, 05:33 PM

..it's not ratting out when it's against the law.

and as long as you continue take that perspective, that makes you look like you are on the wrong side of the law.

Exactly, you call the wife of your boss to tell her he slept with the Marriott registration clerk on your last business junket is ratting out (sleazy, but not necessarily criminal).

Watching a 10 year old boy taking a stiff one up the arse by a grown man in the showers is a 911 no brainer.

VAChief

11-16-2011, 05:36 PM

When all the authorities, including even the law itself, don't enforce the law... how do you know what the law is exactly?

Yes, the millions of perverts on State Offender Lists nationwide are all examples of unenforced laws. Brilliant logic.

ForeverChiefs58

11-16-2011, 05:44 PM

When all the authorities, including even the law itself, don't enforce the law... how do you know what the law is exactly?

Moral compass. Moral obligation. If you have to be told fucking small boys is against the law or wrong then you should be shot in the face.

I don't give a fuck who is doing it, if you see something like that, you either kill predator right there, or help that child and get him far away from that predator ASAP. Take boy to cops...call boys parents. Tell police where predator's body is.

RNR

11-16-2011, 07:48 PM

Let me ask this. If you're in the military and you catch a high-ranking officer doing some shady stuff (maybe something like this), what is your response? Are you going to tell me that the answer is as easy as "stop him and call the cops?"

Or maybe would you agree that there are actual consequences to ratting out a person that has a lot of power and sway?

If that thought even crosses your mind in that situation you are not a man and nothing more than a coward, plain and simple. Save the bullshit cause I aint hearing it~

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 10:24 PM

Yes, the millions of perverts on State Offender Lists nationwide are all examples of unenforced laws. Brilliant logic.

Why do people not get that turning in a random pervert is different from ruining a pervert who isbso well connected he can ruin your life?

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 10:34 PM

Moral compass. Moral obligation. If you have to be told ****ing small boys is against the law or wrong then you should be shot in the face.

I don't give a **** who is doing it, if you see something like that, you either kill predator right there, or help that child and get him far away from that predator ASAP. Take boy to cops...call boys parents. Tell police where predator's body is.

We are all tougher and more moral when we judge other people's reactions to tough situations.

stevieray

11-16-2011, 10:40 PM

When all the authorities, including even the law itself, don't enforce the law... how do you know what the law is exactly?

deflection.

do you not commit murder because it's against the law, or becuase you know it's wrong?

if you need the law to know right from wrong, then I can't help you.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 10:47 PM

deflection.

do you not commit murder because it's against the law, or becuase you know it's wrong?

if you need the law to know right from wrong, then I can't help you.

It's entirely different when you're severely punished for doing what's right.

stevieray

11-16-2011, 10:49 PM

It's entirely different when you're severely punished for doing what's right.answer the question, please.

-King-

11-16-2011, 10:53 PM

Let me ask this. If you're in the military and you catch a high-ranking officer doing some shady stuff (maybe something like this), what is your response? Are you going to tell me that the answer is as easy as "stop him and call the cops?"

Or maybe would you agree that there are actual consequences to ratting out a person that has a lot of power and sway?

Raping a child?

Yes, it would be that fucking easy.

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 11:02 PM

Raping a child?

Yes, it would be that ****ing easy.

So that's why even the pentagon says that less than a quarter of rapes in the military go unreported. But it's so easy.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Did-the-Military-Turn-Blind-Eye-on-Rape-Victims--116281569.html

chiefzilla1501

11-16-2011, 11:29 PM

answer the question, please.

I did. If a general told you, a private, to murder that guy on the street randomly for no good cause, do you think right and wrong matters? Or would most good people do it out of fear?

stevieray

11-16-2011, 11:43 PM

I did.
no, you didn't.

why do you not commit murder?

mdstu

11-17-2011, 12:31 AM

So that's why even the pentagon says that less than a quarter of rapes in the military go unreported. But it's so easy.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Did-the-Military-Turn-Blind-Eye-on-Rape-Victims--116281569.html

I don't know what the Red Head did or didn't do that night in the shower. We will probably have to wait for all the details.

I don't agree with everything you are saying, but this parallel you are drawing with the Military rapes is somewhat spot on. These types of environments allow for evil things to be overlooked. No one with a soul will argue that any of it is excusable, but it happens.

KcMizzou

11-17-2011, 06:34 PM

Another one?

ESPNAndyKatz Andy Katz
Syracuse police investigating long-time hoop assistant Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN es.pn/v2KUI6

KcMizzou

11-17-2011, 06:36 PM

Bernie Fine part of police inquiry
By Mark Schwarz and Arty Berko
ESPN

Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.

Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.

Fine
Fine

The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.

In addition, a second man -- a relative of Davis -- told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.

Fine is now in his 35th season as an assistant to head coach Jim Boeheim.

Davis said he never told Boeheim about the alleged abuse.

The Syracuse University Athletic Department, when contacted by Outside the Lines, was not immediately available for comment.

A source told Outside the Lines that Syracuse police and a high-ranking member of the Syracuse University police met on Thursday to discuss the allegation by Davis.

Davis said that Fine molested him at Fine's home, at the basketball facilities at Syracuse, on recruiting road trips and even at the 1987 Final Four. Davis said he was Fine's constant companion at all those places. He said that Boeheim would come into Fine's room, and see Davis lying on the Fine's bed, but never asked him any questions.

Davis said he was molested by Fine until he was around 27 years old. Through the years, he said he has felt bitter emotions over the molestation as sex scandals have emerged in the Catholic Church and lately with former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Davis said he reported the abuse to Syracuse police in 2003, but that a detective told him that the statute of limitations had run out. Davis said the detective told him that if he knew of boys being molested by Fine at the time, that Syracuse police would investigate those allegations. Davis said he told the detective that he thought other boys were being molested but that he had only direct knowledge of Fine molesting him.

At the time, the Syracuse police chief was Dennis Duval, a former Syracuse basketball player for Boeheim. Duval, who retired in 2004, could not be reached for comment. He played at Syracuse from 1971 to 1974, and started with the Syracuse Police Department in 1978.

Outside the Lines investigated Davis's story in 2003 but decided not to run the story because there were no other victims who would talk, and no independent evidence to corroborate the boy's story. In recent days, a second man contacted Outside the Lines with information alleging that Fine had also molested him. That man said he was inspired to finally talk after seeing news coverage of the Sandusky case.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7248184/syracuse-police-investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s

The Bad Guy

11-17-2011, 06:40 PM

Chiefzilla has to be a relative of Sandusky. He has to be.

Good fucking god.

Chiefs Pantalones

11-17-2011, 06:41 PM

Another one?

ESPNAndyKatz Andy Katz
Syracuse police investigating long-time hoop assistant Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN es.pn/v2KUI6

Geez. Speechless.

bevischief

11-17-2011, 06:52 PM

Another one?

ESPNAndyKatz Andy Katz
Syracuse police investigating long-time hoop assistant Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN es.pn/v2KUI6

Good lord... WTF Penn State?

ForeverChiefs58

11-17-2011, 06:56 PM

Chiefzilla has to be a relative of Sandusky. He has to be.

Good fucking god.

Chiefzilla has some real issues. If Sandusky told Chiefzilla to join him raping a small boy, he would do it out of fear.

There is nothing to think about, you just do what's right in your gut.
BTW, I think anyone would trade any job away if it saved a boy from getting raped.

Chiefs Pantalones

11-17-2011, 06:58 PM

BTW, I think anyone would trade any job away if it saved a boy from getting raped.

Except for MM, JoePa and the rest of the people that knew about it at PSU.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:04 PM

Chiefzilla has to be a relative of Sandusky. He has to be.

Good ****ing god.

Seriously, bro. What the fuck?

I would never in a million years defend that horrible piece of shit nor any of the other shitheads who deliberately covered this shit up. But christ, this isn't a fucking witch hunt.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:05 PM

Chiefzilla has some real issues. If Sandusky told Chiefzilla to join him raping a small boy, he would do it out of fear.

There is nothing to think about, you just do what's right in your gut.
BTW, I think anyone would trade any job away if it saved a boy from getting raped.

Over the line.

Apologize, asshole.

stevieray

11-17-2011, 07:13 PM

no, you didn't.

why do you not commit murder?

it's ok bro, it was rhetorical.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:19 PM

it's ok bro, it was rhetorical.

Back to your question, as I've said from the start, there's right and there's wrong. And then there's fear of doing the right thing because of authority.

Murdering is wrong. But if a high ranking officer demanded that I do it to an innocent person, I hope I would hold strong, but imagine the decision wouldn't be easy even if I knew it was completely wrong. People in power at PSU kept this thing quiet forever. Everybody knew about it. There was some reason it was kept quiet for years. People were afraid to speak up for some reason.

DeezNutz

11-17-2011, 07:24 PM

this isn't a ****ing witch hunt.

Exactly right, which is why JoPa and the rest of the scum at Penn State who helped keep this silent should have their shit wrecked by the legal system.

The Bad Guy

11-17-2011, 07:25 PM

Back to your question, as I've said from the start, there's right and there's wrong. And then there's fear of doing the right thing because of authority.

Murdering is wrong. But if a high ranking officer demanded that I do it to an innocent person, I hope I would hold strong, but imagine the decision wouldn't be easy even if I knew it was completely wrong. People in power at PSU kept this thing quiet forever. Everybody knew about it. There was some reason it was kept quiet for years. People were afraid to speak up for some reason.

You continue to treat McQueary like he's living in his car with no education and didn't have the ability to do another job.

You keep drawing this line between right and wrong and what you view as self-sabotage. It's black and fucking white. It's not like he saw someone running a stop sign. He saw a child getting raped by a 60 year old man.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:27 PM

Exactly right, which is why JoPa and the rest of the scum at Penn State who helped keep this silent should have their shit wrecked by the legal system.

Never disagreed with you there. I hope he gets the book thrown at him.

stevieray

11-17-2011, 07:42 PM

Back to your question, as I've said from the start, there's right and there's wrong. And then there's fear of doing the right thing because of authority.

Murdering is wrong. But if a high ranking officer demanded that I do it to an innocent person, I hope I would hold strong, but imagine the decision wouldn't be easy even if I knew it was completely wrong. People in power at PSU kept this thing quiet forever. Everybody knew about it. There was some reason it was kept quiet for years. People were afraid to speak up for some reason.

ya, it's called selfishness.

I'd rather have my life ruined and maintain my dignity and be able to face myself in the mirror, rather than knowing it would still go on because I was too consumed with my own future more than ending the insanity placed on past, present and future victims.

ForeverChiefs58

11-17-2011, 07:50 PM

Over the line.

Apologize, asshole.

It is not over the line. You are giving reasons why someone wouldn't report seeing an old man rape a small boy. Newsflash, there are no reasons.
Imagine if that were your kid.

I understand people covered it up, that is where the outrage comes from, because anyone should have gone to police. No reason, no justification for letting it continue. None.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:52 PM

You continue to treat McQueary like he's living in his car with no education and didn't have the ability to do another job.

You keep drawing this line between right and wrong and what you view as self-sabotage. It's black and ****ing white. It's not like he saw someone running a stop sign. He saw a child getting raped by a 60 year old man.

First, there's no proof he didn't diffuse the situation, but we've made a ton of really bold assumptions along the way. Second, how does PSU keep this quiet for 10 years? I doubt it was from politely asking people to sign a confidentiality agreement. There was undoubtedly some kind of threat that something would happen to anyone who dared open their mouth. And that doesn't rule out shady links to the police--what if McQueary did actually tell the police and they told him to let it go?

But yeah, let's also throw in that his career in football (his dream) is over. He loses out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. Probably has to deal with fanatical nutcase PSU fans, maybe get death threats. It's not black and white. The guy's life would change forever all in a really bad way. More than likely, you're asking one 28-year old man to take down an entire storied football program and the most popular coach in sports.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 07:56 PM

It is not over the line. You are giving reasons why someone wouldn't report seeing an old man rape a small boy. Newsflash, there are no reasons.
Imagine if that were your kid.

I understand people covered it up, that is where the outrage comes from, because anyone should have gone to police. No reason, no justification for letting it continue. None.

Umm... and you are saying I would join in the act. That's way over the line, bro, and makes me sick just reading it.

I get that you didn't mean to be mean about it so I'm not holding it against you, but that's ridiculously out of line.

ForeverChiefs58

11-17-2011, 07:57 PM

First, there's no proof he didn't diffuse the situation, but we've made a ton of really bold assumptions along the way. Second, how does PSU keep this quiet for 10 years? I doubt it was from politely asking people to sign a confidentiality agreement. There was undoubtedly some kind of threat that something would happen to anyone who dared open their mouth. And that doesn't rule out shady links to the police--what if McQueary did actually tell the police and they told him to let it go?

But yeah, let's also throw in that his career in football (his dream) is over. He loses out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. Probably has to deal with fanatical nutcase PSU fans, maybe get death threats. It's not black and white. The guy's life would change forever all in a really bad way. More than likely, you're asking one 28-year old man to take down an entire storied football program and the most popular coach in sports.

It is wierd that it makes sense to you. No amount of threat would keep a decent person worth two shits from making sure a child rapest got put away and couldn't rape another child.

InChiefsHeaven

11-17-2011, 08:00 PM

It's not the fuckin' mafia, it's Penn State. Squeal like a fucking pig and LEAVE! It's still a free country. The fact that he might have felt that "threatened" proves he's not really much of a grown man. Hell, he had to go to his daddy first before he even reported it to anyone. Pitiful.

ForeverChiefs58

11-17-2011, 08:09 PM

Umm... and you are saying I would join in the act. That's way over the line, bro, and makes me sick just reading it.

I get that you didn't mean to be mean about it so I'm not holding it against you, but that's ridiculously out of line.

you are right, I was breaking balls. I am sure you don't condone these actions of cover up either. The whole story makes me sick. I have 3 boys and I am very certain I could murder anyone who threatened their safety fairly easy without thinking about it.

If I witnessed what McQuerry said he saw, there is not a doubt in my body I would kill him and make sure he doesn't harm anyone anymore.

Brianfo

11-17-2011, 08:13 PM

First, there's no proof he didn't diffuse the situation, but we've made a ton of really bold assumptions along the way. Second, how does PSU keep this quiet for 10 years? I doubt it was from politely asking people to sign a confidentiality agreement. There was undoubtedly some kind of threat that something would happen to anyone who dared open their mouth. And that doesn't rule out shady links to the police--what if McQueary did actually tell the police and they told him to let it go?

But yeah, let's also throw in that his career in football (his dream) is over. He loses out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. Probably has to deal with fanatical nutcase PSU fans, maybe get death threats. It's not black and white. The guy's life would change forever all in a really bad way. More than likely, you're asking one 28-year old man to take down an entire storied football program and the most popular coach in sports.

Argument Fail. He saw a 60 year old man raping (raping) what part of raping don't you understand a 10 year old boy. The first thing he did was call his fukn dad. This guy is guilty of something too.

The Bad Guy

11-17-2011, 08:24 PM

First, there's no proof he didn't diffuse the situation, but we've made a ton of really bold assumptions along the way. Second, how does PSU keep this quiet for 10 years? I doubt it was from politely asking people to sign a confidentiality agreement. There was undoubtedly some kind of threat that something would happen to anyone who dared open their mouth. And that doesn't rule out shady links to the police--what if McQueary did actually tell the police and they told him to let it go?

But yeah, let's also throw in that his career in football (his dream) is over. He loses out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. Probably has to deal with fanatical nutcase PSU fans, maybe get death threats. It's not black and white. The guy's life would change forever all in a really bad way. More than likely, you're asking one 28-year old man to take down an entire storied football program and the most popular coach in sports.

If McQueary went to the police in 2002, he would not have taken down Paterno. The University would have survived just fine and that scumbag would have been put in jail where he belonged.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars? Hahahaa. You stupid fuck. You think that college assistants are making tons of money?

Get fucking real.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 09:31 PM

If McQueary went to the police in 2002, he would not have taken down Paterno. The University would have survived just fine and that scumbag would have been put in jail where he belonged.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars? Hahahaa. You stupid ****. You think that college assistants are making tons of money?

Get ****ing real.

You're assuming that Paterno didn't know about this prior to 2002. The way things are shaking out, it seems like a lot of people knew before 2002. Awfully suspicious that Sandusky was fired in 1999. If they were covering up between 1999-2002, then Paterno and the entire program would get taken down.

Like I said, he takes down the program, he never coaches D-1 again. Fair or not, it's true. If you figure he makes $25,000 less per year (on average) for 30 years, which is extremely conservative (given that before a few weeks ago, he was a highly respected coach coaching for one of the premiere programs in the country)... $25,000 less per year for 30 years is $750,000 over a lifetime. Hell, probably would have made millions less over his lifetime, given his current career track.

Dartgod

11-17-2011, 09:35 PM

Like I said, he takes down the program, he never coaches D-1 again. Fair or not, it's true.

Bullshit.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 09:37 PM

It's not the ****in' mafia, it's Penn State. Squeal like a ****ing pig and LEAVE! It's still a free country. The fact that he might have felt that "threatened" proves he's not really much of a grown man. Hell, he had to go to his daddy first before he even reported it to anyone. Pitiful.

Given that this seemed to be covered up by the University and legal authorities, pretty clear Sandusky had a similar type of control. And given how many people who seemed to know about it, you have to wonder what the threat was to anyone who "squealed." All I know is, that shit doesn't stay quiet for that long given the very public nature of some of his prior offenses unless somebody is afraid to reveal the information for some reason.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 09:41 PM

Bullshit.

You think D-1 programs aren't constantly covering up drug use, sexual assaults, rapes, illegitimate children, sex with minors, violence, robberies, etc... on a pretty frequent basis? Do you really think they're going to hire a guy who they know will "do the right thing"?

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 09:47 PM

Argument Fail. He saw a 60 year old man raping (raping) what part of raping don't you understand a 10 year old boy. The first thing he did was call his fukn dad. This guy is guilty of something too.

You are making a lot of assumptions. There are conflicting claims that he probably stopped it. And he claims he did call the cops. I don't think he acted perfectly, but don't understand why he's treated as one of the top public enemies on this one. Like I said before, it happens all over the world consistently in history that typically when bad people abuse power, it leads otherwise good people to do really bad things, even if that bad thing is to "do nothing."

Dartgod

11-17-2011, 09:47 PM

You think D-1 programs aren't constantly covering up drug use, sexual assaults, rapes, illegitimate children, sex with minors, violence, robberies, etc... on a pretty frequent basis? Do you really think they're going to hire a guy who they know will "do the right thing"?
Yeah, ALL D1 programs are corrupt to the degree that you describe. :rolleyes:

Whatever you need to believe to fit your agenda.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 09:49 PM

Yeah, ALL D1 programs are corrupt to the degree that you describe. :rolleyes:

Whatever you need to believe to fit your agenda.

I can rephrase that to "competitive D-1 programs." And no, I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that most of the best teams wouldn't be competitive if they didn't sweep a lot of stuff under the rug.

FAX

11-17-2011, 09:54 PM

ROFL

Dang, Mr. chiefzilla1501. You are one relentless zilla.

FAX

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 10:04 PM

ROFL

Dang, Mr. chiefzilla1501. You are one relentless zilla.

FAX

You know me, man. I'm stubborn as shit.

Dartgod

11-17-2011, 10:09 PM

You know me, man. I'm stubborn as shit.

I get the premise of what you are saying. But you are trying to hard to sell it and no one is buying.

chiefzilla1501

11-17-2011, 10:24 PM

I get the premise of what you are saying. But you are trying to hard to sell it and no one is buying.

You fight an uphill battle when you talk about an emotionally charged issue like this. You can't hear the story without vomiting, and it makes us all angry. I don't expect a lot of people to agree with me. But people are trying to treat this like a black and white issue. I think it's silly to claim that ratting Sandusky out wouldn't have led to really bad repercussions for McQueary. He was in a lose-lose situation.

And again, people are making a lot of bold accusations in the absence of information.