If given the possibility, would you trade up to draft RG3?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Is he worth it in your eyes? More importantly, would Pioli do it? All I want for Christmas is a franchise QB...:huh:

[Hammock Parties]

Yes, absolutely.

[O.city]

I'd do it.



Pioli probably won't. Although he did say they tried to trade up in last years draft for Pouncey. So I don't think it's a given that he won't.

[milkman]

Should have made this a poll, with the votes public, so that we can all point to and laugh at the useless dumbasses that vote no.

[KC_Lee]

Dear God yes.

[jd1020]

Maybe, depending on the price. Would Pioli do it? Nope.

[O.city]

jd, what do you not like about RGIII. I've noticed you aren't as high on him.

[Ebolapox]

oh fuck yes.

[Hammock Parties]

Question: do you give up less for him than you give up for Luck?

Or do you give up the same because in both cases you believe you're getting a franchise QB?

[Priest31kc]

Absolutely. Pioli wont do it though....

[jd1020]

I don't think he's going to stay healthy in the NFL and I'm not impressed by his deep ball like a lot of people seem to be. He mostly just floats it and lets Wright chase it down. I don't see that working in a faster paced NFL game.

[O.city]

I don't think he's going to stay healthy in the NFL and I'm not impressed by his deep ball like a lot of people seem to be. He mostly just floats it and lets Wright chase it down. I don't see that working in a faster paced NFL game.

Fair enough.

I'd hope he wouldn't run near as much in the NFL as he has at Baylor.

[Munson]

You'd be crazy not to trade up for him, or Barkley for that matter. But I don't have faith that Pioli will do it. I think he'd be more likely to trade down.

[O.city]

Question: do you give up less for him than you give up for Luck?

Or do you give up the same because in both cases you believe you're getting a franchise QB?

I think if I'm giving up the same I'd just try and get Luck.

[Hammock Parties]

I think if I'm giving up the same I'd just try and get Luck.

But you may not be able to trade for Luck.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Question: do you give up less for him than you give up for Luck?

Or do you give up the same because in both cases you believe you're getting a franchise QB?

IMO, if he's your guy you do what it takes to get him.

[O.city]

But you may not be able to trade for Luck.

Very true.

I really like RGIII. If he stays in the pocket. I don't want him to be Vicklike. More Rodgers like. Just run when it's the last option.

[O.city]

What sucks is that, with the way this franchise is we will never know if they are big on RGIII until draft day.

[Hammock Parties]

Very true.

I really like RGIII. If he stays in the pocket. I don't want him to be Vicklike. More Rodgers like. Just run when it's the last option.

Vick runs to run.

If a guy abandons the pocket it's not necessarily a bad thing.

The dude clearly has skills as a passer so I'm not worried about him turning into another Vick.

Vick was a sub 60 percent passer in college who never completed 100 passes in a year. RG3 is 70+

[Thig Lyfe]

I'd rip my dick off for a chance at RGIII (or Luck).

[O.city]

Vick runs to run.

If a guy abandons the pocket it's not necessarily a bad thing.

The dude clearly has skills as a passer so I'm not worried about him turning into another Vick.

Vick was a sub 60 percent passer in college who never completed 100 passes in a year. RG3 is 70+

Yeah I know.

I think RGIII throws a good deep ball. Jd does bring up a good point about Wright just outrunning everyone but IMO his deep ball is really solid.

[Hammock Parties]

You would honestly have a hard time mistaking RGIII for "just" a running QB.

He averaged 11 yards per ATTEMPT this year throwing it 30+ times a game most of the time.

The fact he threw in nearly 700 rushing is insane.

[O.city]

The way Hunt is about money, I think that's the best indicator for the Chiefs drafting the Heisman winning qb.


Add that to the fact that he wants to draft and develop a qb. Bada bing bada boom.

[Bugeater]

And miss out on our franchise RT? Hell fucking no.

[Crush]

Fuck yes. The guy seems to have "it." He made Baylor football relevant. He's seems to be a disciplined and bright human being. We have to take the chance on QB. How in the hell can a franchise ignore the most important position on the field for nearly 30 years? It boggles the mind.

Of course, Pioli will not do it because Pioli is a fucking moron.

[O.city]

Hey Omega check out this Mock draft.

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1.asp

[boogblaster]

no .. he wont last in the NFL ....

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah, I'd trade up for this gold-toof dawg, throwin' lazas off his back feets.

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[Titty Meat]

I'd trade up to get RGIII but not what I would give up for Luck, no.

[patteeu]

How much does it cost to trade up in this scenario? My conditional answer is yes, but it would depend on the cost.

[SAUTO]

I'd rip my dick off for a chance at RGIII (or Luck).

I would too
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[O.city]

That throw he made there is a throw I'm not sure a qb on the Chiefs roster could make.

Stanzi maybe.

Palko or Cassel. No.

[splatbass]

Maybe, depending on the price. Would Pioli do it? Nope.

None of us have any idea what Pioli will do.

[jd1020]

None of us have any idea what Pioli will do.

Does RG3 fit a typical Pioli QB? Is Pioli a trade up kind of guy?

The answer to both is no.

I would imagine Pioli's top 5 QB's looks something like...

1) Luck
2) Barkley
3) Jones
4) Foles
5) Lindley (fuck me, I hope to hell Lindley is not on his board)

[splatbass]

What sucks is that, with the way this franchise is we will never know if they are big on RGIII until draft day.

That's the idea. Other teams won't know either.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Give up the whole fucking draft and next year's first. I don't care. This kid is going to be an absolute beast.

[O.city]

Does RG3 fit a typical Pioli QB? Is Pioli a trade up kind of guy?

The answer to both is no.

How do we know what either of those are?

He tried to trade up last year. And if Matt Cassel is the type of qb he wants then we are all in troube.

[O.city]

Does RG3 fit a typical Pioli QB? Is Pioli a trade up kind of guy?

The answer to both is no.

I would imagine Pioli's top 5 QB's looks something like...

1) Luck
2) Barkley
3) Jones
4) Foles
5) Lindley (**** me, I hope to hell Lindley is not on his board)

No way lindley is up there.

Jones and Foles are meh.

[jd1020]

How do we know what either of those are?

He tried to trade up last year. And if Matt Cassel is the type of qb he wants then we are all in troube.

Matt Cassel is a big QB that stands tall in the pocket. That's typically what Pioli goes after.

[O.city]

Then I'd say you could take Barkley off that list. He's not a tall guy.

[Coogs]

Absolutely!

[MoreLemonPledge]

Hey Omega check out this Mock draft.

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1.asp

Who the fuck made this?

The Chiefs draft Robert Griffin... in the third round.

[jd1020]

Then I'd say you could take Barkley off that list. He's not a tall guy.

He's not tall but he is a pocket passer with experience in a pro system.

[O.city]

Who the **** made this?

The Chiefs draft Robert Griffin... in the third round.

I dunno. But it was just made december 5 i think. The guy is a moron.

[splatbass]

Does RG3 fit a typical Pioli QB?

What is a "typical Pioli QB"?

[MoreLemonPledge]

I dunno. But it was just made december 5 i think. The guy is a moron.

I checked the first 2 rounds three times thinking I missed him somehow.

[O.city]

I think RGIII is more of a pocket passer than you think jd. But I see where you are going on some of your arguments.

[splatbass]

Matt Cassel is a big QB that stands tall in the pocket. That's typically what Pioli goes after.

What other QBs has Pioli drafted?

[O.city]

What are Stanzi's measurables?

[BigMeatballDave]

Absolutely. Luck or Barkley, also.

[Hammock Parties]

lol @ the Chiefs drafting 15th.

[O.city]

lol @ the Chiefs drafting 15th.

Why lol.


That's probably where we will fuck up and end up at.

[jd1020]

What other QBs has Pioli drafted?

Tom Brady - 6'4 225
Rohan Davey - 6'2 245
Matt Cassel - 6'4 225
Kevin Connel - 6'5 230
Ricky Stanzi - 6'4 225

Rohan Davey is the only QB under 6'4 and he was 245lbs... in the 4th round.

[O.city]

Tom Brady - 6'4 225
Rohan Davey - 6'2 245
Matt Cassel - 6'4 225
Kevin Connel - 6'5 230
Ricky Stanzi - 6'4 225

Rohan Davey is the only QB under 6'4 and he was 245lbs... in the 4th round.

And how has that worked out for him.

Granted after the first one on that list he didn't really have to try to hard to get another one.

[BigMeatballDave]

I'd be fucking SHOCKED if Pioli actually traded up to grab a QB.

[jd1020]

And how has that worked out for him.

Granted after the first one on that list he didn't really have to try to hard to get another one.

Doesn't really matter how its worked out for him. I can absolutely see him picking a QB in the first but it has to be a value pick. Like someone falling in a Rodgers-like scenario.

[O.city]

I'm thinking Pioli doesn't have the same feeling as we do about hte qb position.

One hope we could have is that Hunt wants to make more money and draft a Heisman winning qb.

Still unlikely.

[tk13]

I don't think Pioli would draft him. I think he's rather have a typical pocket guy, like Bledsoe, or Brady, or even Stanzi.

There's probably some merit to that as no QB has ever really scrambled his way to a title. Griffin has a nice arm though. I think he's a better prospect than Vince Young, for instance. I have to agree that I'm concerned about him getting dinged up the way he runs though. He can flat fly. But he is not a really big guy... he is not a bruising runner like Tebow or Cam Newton. But he could end up being Randall Cunningham-esque.

[O.city]

Doesn't really matter how its worked out for him. I can absolutely see him picking a QB in the first but it has to be a value pick. Like someone falling in a Rodgers-like scenario.

How can you argue that it doesn't matter how it's worked out for him. He absolutely lucked into a HOF qb in the 6th round. Since then he hasn't drafted a qb that is worth a shit. Why would you stick with that strategy.

[okcchief]

At this point I would give up a whole draft to get Luck, Griffin or Barkley.

[jd1020]

How can you argue that it doesn't matter how it's worked out for him. He absolutely lucked into a HOF qb in the 6th round. Since then he hasn't drafted a qb that is worth a shit. Why would you stick with that strategy.

I can argue that because thats what Pioli likes and what he looks for in a QB. A 6'2 220(doubt these numbers very much) first round QB who makes a living outside of the pocket and running the ball does not land on Pioli's list.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Face it, at this rate we'd be lucky to get Landry Fucking Jones.

[O.city]

I can argue that because thats what Pioli likes and what he looks for in a QB. A 6'2 220(doubt these numbers very much) first round QB who makes a living outside of the pocket and running the ball does not land on Pioli's list.

Have you watched any Baylor games this year? The dude is a pocket passer.

I doubt he's 62 but he didn't look alot smaller than Luck when they stood next to each other.

[MahiMike]

meh...

[jd1020]

Have you watched any Baylor games this year? The dude is a pocket passer.

I doubt he's 62 but he didn't look alot smaller than Luck when they stood next to each other.

I have watched Baylor games. He makes a living extending the plays by scrambling around, running the ball, and playing pitch and catch with a wide open Kendall Wright who just burned the entire defense.

[htismaqe]

I don't think Pioli would draft him. I think he's rather have a typical pocket guy, like Bledsoe, or Brady, or even Stanzi.

There's probably some merit to that as no QB has ever really scrambled his way to a title. Griffin has a nice arm though. I think he's a better prospect than Vince Young, for instance. I have to agree that I'm concerned about him getting dinged up the way he runs though. He can flat fly. But he is not a really big guy... he is not a bruising runner like Tebow or Cam Newton. But he could end up being Randall Cunningham-esque.

Stanzi isn't a typical pocket guy.

He was by far his best at Iowa running bootleg, waggle, and other misdirection/motion plays behind a line that zone blocks 90% of the time.

Stanzi in many ways is the proto-typical Mike Shanahan QB...

[Hydrae]

RGIII would be my preferred pick and would absolutely trade up to get him. I do think he will be the third QB picked though so this limits the amount that must be paid for the trade. In other words, it will not require a trade with the Colts, a trade to no higher than 5 or 6 should cover the needs.

[Reerun_KC]

When has the last Heisman Draft pick actually worked out in the NFL?

Today was the kiss of death for RGIII

[jd1020]

Griffin vs OU

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This is not what I would call an impressive game, but he was glorified for it. 2 blown INTs by OU and just about all of Griffin's big plays came from WIDE OPEN receivers. If he couldn't run he wouldn't be considered a top QB, imo.

[Titty Meat]

When has the last Heisman Draft pick actually worked out in the NFL?

Today was the kiss of death for RGIII

:drool:

Cam Newton?

[htismaqe]

:drool:

Cam Newton?

It's a bit early to call him an unmitigated success.

[Titty Meat]

Griffin vs OU

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This is not what I would call an impressive game, but he was glorified for it. 2 blown INTs by OU and just about all of Griffin's big plays came from WIDE OPEN receivers. If he couldn't run he wouldn't be considered a top QB, imo.

Theres def. work to be done there.

[Skyy God]

It's a bit early to call him an unmitigated success.

Gtfo.

[GloryDayz]

Is he worth it in your eyes? More importantly, would Pioli do it? All I want for Christmas is a franchise QB...:huh:

Yes...

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As for Pioli... I suspect he'll balk because Hunt-the-*unt will tell him to..

[MoreLemonPledge]

So can we get Kendall Wright, too?

[Rain Man]

We need to trade up as far as we can get to get the highest-rated quarterback we can get. This draft is all about doing that; trade up or not, anything else will be a failure.

[007]

To have any shot at RG3 or Luck we first will have to lose out then hope that Pioli isn't an idiot AND that there is at least one team in the top 2 willing to trade down.

Kind of like how we made the playoffs in 2006.

[O.city]

Watch Griffins highlights of the TCU game jd. He made alot of good throws from the pocket.

And I dunno what you want him to do on a deep ball to be better. When you are throwing a deep ball don't you pretty much put it out there for a wr to run under it?

[splatbass]

I can argue that because thats what Pioli likes and what he looks for in a QB. A 6'2 220(doubt these numbers very much) first round QB who makes a living outside of the pocket and running the ball does not land on Pioli's list.

Pioli hasn't been in a position like this before, so I don't know if his history is an indication of what he will do this year. He didn't draft any of those QBs you listed to be QBotF, including Brady.

During most of his career he wasn't even looking for a starting QB in the draft. I don't know if he has ever looked for one. And now he has a different coach (or a new one next year if that is what you believe) that may have a different idea of what he wants for QB.

We don't know whether he is looking for a QB next year, but if he is I think there are major differences from his previous drafts. Time will tell.

[htismaqe]

Gtfo.

There's been guys who look good through a half season and end up being nobody. There's also been guys who look awful through a handful of games and end up being great.

I'm not suggesting Newton isn't a good QB but it's a little too early to anoint him. He hasn't even had a winning season yet.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm still not sold on Newton either for some reason...I watched a couple of his games and I wasn't as impressed as all of ESPN.

[Ebolapox]

it's said that pioli isn't a fan of spread QBs. no fucking way we take RG3, I'm afraid (I really want us to, though)

[milkman]

it's said that pioli isn't a fan of spread QBs. no ****ing way we take RG3, I'm afraid (I really want us to, though)

He's not fan of spread QBs?

The why the fuck did he trade for a QB who the Patriots had to use more spread to get any semblence of offense from?

[O.city]

I think Pioli would be more inclined to trade up and get Barkley if he was to trade up.

[O.city]

jd aren't you a fan of Tannehill?

[jd1020]

jd aren't you a fan of Tannehill?

What's your point?

They are the same mold of QB but Tannehill doesn't throw to the caliber of receivers RG3 does.

I've already said my top 5 QBs were

1) Luck
2) Barkley
3) RG3
4) Tannehill
5) Jones

I wouldn't break the bank for anyone, but I would take anyone on this list in the 1st round if given the opportunity.

[Ebolapox]

He's not fan of spread QBs?

The why the **** did he trade for a QB who the Patriots had to use more spread to get any semblence of offense from?

he's retarded?

couldn't tell you, man. maybe there was a 'gleam' with cassel...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Nick Foles is someone I like, but he'd be my last choice.

[O.city]

What's your point?

They are the same mold of QB but Tannehill doesn't throw to the caliber of receivers RG3 does.

I've already said my top 5 QBs were

1) Luck
2) Barkley
3) RG3
4) Tannehill
5) Jones

I wouldn't break the bank for anyone.

Tannehill threw to Fuller. Wright's better than Fuller?

And you wouldn't break the bank for Luck?

I don't think I would but it would be tempting.

I might put RG3 a little higher based on armstrength and natural ability, but I think Barkley probably gets the nod for being more pro ready.

[Simply Red]

none of you know Pioli as well as you claim. Straight up.

[jd1020]

Tannehill threw to Fuller. Wright's better than Fuller?

And you wouldn't break the bank for Luck?

I don't think I would but it would be tempting.

I might put RG3 a little higher based on armstrength and natural ability, but I think Barkley probably gets the nod for being more pro ready.

Fuller isn't even the best receiver on A&M. And Wright caught 40 more passes and more than doubled his production.

[O.city]

What's your point?

They are the same mold of QB but Tannehill doesn't throw to the caliber of receivers RG3 does.

I've already said my top 5 QBs were

1) Luck
2) Barkley
3) RG3
4) Tannehill
5) Jones

I wouldn't break the bank for anyone, but I would take anyone on this list in the 1st round if given the opportunity.

Dunno about Tannehill in the first. Depending on how he looks at the combine I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised tho if after the combine RG3 jumps ahead of Barkley. But I think barkley should prob. get drafted first.

[O.city]

Fuller isn't even the best receiver on A&M. And Wright caught 40 more passes and more than doubled his production.

Fuller was touted as a preseason all american. Early in the year he was a top 5 wr draft wise. I dunno what hapened to him as he didn't really do shit this year.

[Simply Red]

none of you know Pioli as well as you claim. Straight up.

BTW, this wasn't applied toward THIS page, as much. Just to clarify

[O.city]

I wouldn't give up the farm but I def think we need to get a qb in this draft.

[O.city]

Say we finish with 6 wins.

Where do you guys think that puts us draft wise? And what will it take from there to go up and get Barkley or RG3.

[BossChief]

I wonder if there is any chance RG3 leapfrogs both Luck and Barkley.

[Titty Meat]

I wonder if there is any chance RG3 leapfrogs both Luck and Barkley.

Nope.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I wonder if there is any chance RG3 leapfrogs both Luck and Barkley.

Some were saying that on ESPN already

[OnTheWarpath15]

If you think a guy is a franchise QB, you do whatever it takes to get him.

Sadly, Pioli probably thinks Landry Jones is a franchise QB.

Or worse yet, that Stanzi is.

[milkman]

If you think a guy is a franchise QB, you do whatever it takes to get him.

Sadly, Pioli probably thinks Landry Jones is a franchise QB.

Or worse yet, that Stanzi is.

Either way, we're probably fucked, but I do like Stanzi better than Landry Jones.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Either way, we're probably fucked, but I do like Stanzi better than Landry Jones.

That's like saying you'd prefer ass cancer to lung cancer.

You're gonna fucking die a miserable death regardless.

[jd1020]

That's like saying you'd prefer ass cancer to lung cancer.

You're gonna ****ing die a miserable death regardless.

At least it will be an open casket and you can save face.

[doomy3]

Absolutely. This is a guy who could be a true difference maker at QB, unlike guys we have argued about in the past who can be found in every draft.

[RealSNR]

Either way, we're probably fucked, but I do like Stanzi better than Landry Jones.Same. At least he made an impressive play or two in college that one time

[BossChief]

All in all, there will be another real opportunity to draft a legit franchise qb prospect and even more likely we will be able to select between more than one if we stay where we are.

Fuck that, though.

I wish we had a gm that would identify which one he likes the best and do what it takes to get him.

I'd say there are at least 4 quarterbacks that could step right in (with very little coaching) and run the plays we have ran the last two years and we would be much improved.

We would also be able to open up the playbook a lot due to arm strength and field instincts being massively upgraded as well.

[Al Bundy]

I'd do it for the Buccaneers. I would include Josh Freeman in a trade to do it.

[jd1020]

I wish we had a gm that would identify which one he likes the best and do what it takes to get him.

I'm sure he knows which one he likes best and all he'll have to do to draft him is stand pat.

[jd1020]

I'd do it for the Buccaneers. I would include Josh Freeman in a trade to do it.

I'm sure you would.

[BossChief]

Either way, we're probably fucked, but I do like Stanzi better than Landry Jones.

Here's what's gonna happen.

We are only gonna win one more game and will be picking 8-10 and will take Landry Jones.

We go into 2012 with Cassel, Stanzi and Jones.

Cassel is the default starter because he "can't lose his job due to injury" but goes down for an early 3 game stretch in which Stanzi comes in and shows us what some of us have thought all along...that he is very impressive throwing the ball and makes solid decisions (sans a couple mistakes) we win 2 of those 3 games and Cassel takes over when healthy but is benched a couple games later and Stanzi takes over as starter. We go a game above 500 the rest of the way, but missout on the playoffs.

We cut Cassel in the offseason and draft a late rounder to step in as the 3 and declare a quarterback battle for the starters job which Pioli makes a power move and makes Jones the starter.

Stanzi demands a trade and he is shipped to some team that he wins a championship with while Ladry Jones never wins a playoff game.

[Bump]

Here's what's gonna happen.

We are only gonna win one more game and will be picking 8-10 and will take Landry Jones.

We go into 2012 with Cassel, Stanzi and Jones.

Cassel is the default starter because he "can't lose his job due to injury" but goes down for an early 3 game stretch in which Stanzi comes in and shows us what some of us have thought all along...that he is very impressive throwing the ball and makes solid decisions (sans a couple mistakes) we win 2 of those 3 games and Cassel takes over when healthy but is benched a couple games later and Stanzi takes over as starter. We go a game above 500 the rest of the way, but missout on the playoffs.

We cut Cassel in the offseason and draft a late rounder to step in as the 3 and declare a quarterback battle for the starters job which Pioli makes a power move and makes Jones the starter.

Stanzi demands a trade and he is shipped to some team that he wins a championship with while Ladry Jones never wins a playoff game.

You shut your dirty whore mouth

[Titty Meat]

The way I look at it theres 2 options here.....

1. Either we're close enough to trade up and get Griffin/Barkley
2. You draft a guy like Tannehill who I think could be good in a few years but will need some time on the bench.

If #2 happens I'd be cool with signing Peyton Manning.

[ChiefsCountry]

So with all the crazy things about trading up, doesn't look like it will be as much as some of you think.

Here is a little blurb from the St Louis Post-Dispatch about the Rams and trading the pick:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/high-draft-pick-only-rams-reward/article_c418bcd3-7747-5b38-9b68-c670d096b9bd.html

[Archie F. Swin]

the R stands for Red
the G stands for Gold
the III stands for I...I...I...fucking told you this kids would be "all that" and then some!

[Pitt Gorilla]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1234525508_ben_stiller_-_do_it.gif

[Smed1065]

Trade up? There are games to play still.

[Smed1065]

Here's what's gonna happen.

We are only gonna win one more game and will be picking 8-10 and will take Landry Jones.

We go into 2012 with Cassel, Stanzi and Jones.

Cassel is the default starter because he "can't lose his job due to injury" but goes down for an early 3 game stretch in which Stanzi comes in and shows us what some of us have thought all along...that he is very impressive throwing the ball and makes solid decisions (sans a couple mistakes) we win 2 of those 3 games and Cassel takes over when healthy but is benched a couple games later and Stanzi takes over as starter. We go a game above 500 the rest of the way, but missout on the playoffs.

We cut Cassel in the offseason and draft a late rounder to step in as the 3 and declare a quarterback battle for the starters job which Pioli makes a power move and makes Jones the starter.

Stanzi demands a trade and he is shipped to some team that he wins a championship with while Ladry Jones never wins a playoff game.

Bogart~

[L.A. Chieffan]

If given the possibility, would you get a blow job from Scarlett Johansson?

[Chieftain58]

Saw him win the Heisman last night but couldn't tell you diddly about his play

[htismaqe]

If you think a guy is a franchise QB, you do whatever it takes to get him.

Sadly, Pioli probably thinks Landry Jones is a franchise QB.

Or worse yet, that Stanzi is.

What if Stanzi actually is?

The only thing that surprises me more than the people that want to anoint him the starter sight-unseen are the people that want to write him off sight-unseen.

[Fritz88]

No I wont. ! will not.
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[Dave Lane]

If we lose out I think we'll be right there to get him. If not yes I'd trade up thought I'd rather go full Ditka and get Luck.

[DTLB58]

I don't think he's going to stay healthy in the NFL and I'm not impressed by his deep ball like a lot of people seem to be. He mostly just floats it and lets Wright chase it down. I don't see that working in a faster paced NFL game.

This. But they still gotta get someone.

[RealSNR]

What if Stanzi actually is?

The only thing that surprises me more than the people that want to anoint him the starter sight-unseen are the people that want to write him off sight-unseen.Haley and Pioli are idiots and fuckups who gave us Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, didn't bother finding a right tackle for the past two seasons, and will utterly destroy this franchise, but they're totally right about starting Palko over that good-for-nothing Stanzi.

I want Haley and Pioli gone as well. I'm just far more logically consistent when analyzing their roster moves and depth chart management.

[kysirsoze]

the R stands for Red
the G stands for Gold
the III stands for...

The number of rings he wins with us?

[cabletech94]

The number of rings he wins with us?

estos

[Skyy God]

So with all the crazy things about trading up, doesn't look like it will be as much as some of you think.

Here is a little blurb from the St Louis Post-Dispatch about the Rams and trading the pick:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/high-draft-pick-only-rams-reward/article_c418bcd3-7747-5b38-9b68-c670d096b9bd.html

1. Lose out.
2. Draft in the 5-7 range.
3. Trade the 2012 2d to move up.
4. Profit with RG3.

I'm way impressed with him. Graduated HS & college early, plans to go to law school, etc.

[Skyy God]

There's been guys who look good through a half season and end up being nobody. There's also been guys who look awful through a handful of games and end up being great.

I'm not suggesting Newton isn't a good QB but it's a little too early to anoint him. He hasn't even had a winning season yet.

They lost to GB, Chi, & NO by a total of 15 points.

And, VY had a much better W/L record at the same point in his career. So, in your mind, VY > Cam?

[chiefscafan]

Come on guys you really want cassel back? Yes I heard bout his wife giving birth last weekend, but what's his excuse for the other games??

He says he's a leader but he is no where to be seen. Cutler is at every game so is Peyton where is cassel. Sorry fellas that seals it for me I don't want him as our QB anymore. Yes I also would trade up for Barkley or RG 3. It would take to much for Luck. No to Landry jones.

[splatbass]

Come on guys you really want cassel back? Yes I heard bout his wife giving birth last weekend, but what's his excuse for the other games??

He says he's a leader but he is no where to be seen. Cutler is at every game so is Peyton where is cassel. Sorry fellas that seals it for me I don't want him as our QB anymore. Yes I also would trade up for Barkley or RG 3. It would take to much for Luck. No to Landry jones.

Cassel was in the coaches booth during the Steelers game. I don't think his lack of attendance at games is the reason he shouldn't start next year. I think it is that he isn't a good QB. The "he isn't going to games" stuff is just nit-picky bullshit.

People get worked up over the stupidest shit.

[KChiefs1]

Hell yes!

I'd trade more to get Luck though.

[milkman]

Come on guys you really want cassel back? Yes I heard bout his wife giving birth last weekend, but what's his excuse for the other games??

He says he's a leader but he is no where to be seen. Cutler is at every game so is Peyton where is cassel. Sorry fellas that seals it for me I don't want him as our QB anymore. Yes I also would trade up for Barkley or RG 3. It would take to much for Luck. No to Landry jones.

Please point the post where someone said they want to bring Cassel back.

[spanky 52]

Haley and Pioli are idiots and ****ups who gave us Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, didn't bother finding a right tackle for the past two seasons, and will utterly destroy this franchise, but they're totally right about starting Palko over that good-for-nothing Stanzi.

I want Haley and Pioli gone as well. I'm just far more logically consistent when analyzing their roster moves and depth chart management.

I'm with you on this SNR.

[O.city]

I'd say draft him. Whatever it takes to not have Cassel or Palko play qb again in KC, I'm on board with.

[O.city]

After the last 3 years of qb play in KC. We deserve a qb. Hell after the last 40 years we definately deserve one.

It's like we have been wondering in the desert for 40 years. Time to find the promist land. Go get us a qb Scott you POS.

[NJChiefsFan]

I would be more than willing to try it. The issue is I just can not visualize Pioli drafting RG3. I just don't see it. Barkley I could see, but when I think about it as realistically as I can, I don't see him doing it.

[htismaqe]

They lost to GB, Chi, & NO by a total of 15 points.

And, VY had a much better W/L record at the same point in his career. So, in your mind, VY > Cam?

Did I say that?

[O.city]

I think RGIII has the best chance of being a game changer at qb. Barkley could become a game manager like Sanchez.

I know RGIII has some dents like jd has stated but I think he brings alot more to the table than Barkley.

[NJChiefsFan]

I think RGIII has the best chance of being a game changer at qb. Barkley could become a game manager like Sanchez.

I know RGIII has some dents like jd has stated but I think he brings alot more to the table than Barkley.

Do you think Pioli would actually draft him though?

[O.city]

I dunno if Pioli would. He doesn't really fit his profile as a qb but he is very intelligent and talented so....I hope he'd take a flyer.

[NJChiefsFan]

I dunno if Pioli would. He doesn't really fit his profile as a qb but he is very intelligent and talented so....I hope he'd take a flyer.

He is well spoken. Thats the only hope.

[O.city]

He is well spoken. Thats the only hope.

I really like the guy as a player and person. He is gonna have to cut down the running in the NFL in order to stay healthy tho.

[NJChiefsFan]

I really like the guy as a player and person. He is gonna have to cut down the running in the NFL in order to stay healthy tho.

That shouldn't be that hard for him. He seems like he wants to throw the ball.

[chiefzilla1501]

How do we know what either of those are?

He tried to trade up last year. And if Matt Cassel is the type of qb he wants then we are all in troube.

jd is right. From the get go, Pioli has built his team in the exact model of the Pats and has shown no flexibility to think outside the box. Drafting RGIII requires him to build a different kind of offense. The Patriot model is to draft a QB who plays in the style of Tom Brady.

Frustrating, but true. I would love to see RGIII in red/gold.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm still not sold on Newton either for some reason...I watched a couple of his games and I wasn't as impressed as all of ESPN.

I am NOT a Cam Newton fan. But he is proof that RGIII could make an immediate impact. What I think really distinguishes RGIII from Cam is that he has the character to get better. I still think Newton is a guy who more often than not relies too heavily on his physical gifts.

I think the best comparisons are probably Steve McNair and a more mobile version of Big Ben. The one knock is that they both have had their share of getting knocked around. While I don't think RGIII is as physically gifted as either of these guys, I think he's a lot more mentally gifted.

[WhiteWhale]

If KC drafted RGIII, Jamaal Charles will average at or over seven yards per carry.

I'm not kidding. It's the Michael Vick effect. We'll run those zone stretches and the cut back lanes will be 10 miles wide because of defenders scared to death of a bootleg that can go the distance.

Give Vick a speedy back and a ZBS and the back is a 5.0 YPC back every time. Worked with Dunn and McCoy. Look at Chris Johnson. He's a shadow of himself without Vince Young. Vince had the same effect... he keeps DE's at home and that leaves HUGE cutback lanes for RB's to exploit.

I'm dead serious... if RG3 can develop into a solid NFL thrower, our offense will be f**king unstoppable. We'll be playoff bound and have a bright future.

That's what I think. If we draft him KC will have the #1 rushing offense by a large margin. Our RB's will become more effective because of what I call the 'Michael Vick effect".

That said, I'm totally convinced we'll be entering next season watching a QB competition between Cassel and Orton regardless of who the coach is.

[chiefzilla1501]

If KC drafted RGIII, Jamaal Charles will average at or over seven yards per carry.

I'm not kidding. It's the Michael Vick effect. We'll run those zone stretches and the cut back lanes will be 10 miles wide because of defenders scared to death of a bootleg that can go the distance.

Give Vick a speedy back and a ZBS and the back is a 5.0 YPC back every time. Worked with Dunn and McCoy. Look at Chris Johnson. He's a shadow of himself without Vince Young. Vince had the same effect... he keeps DE's at home and that leaves HUGE cutback lanes for RB's to exploit.

I'm dead serious... if RG3 can develop into a solid NFL thrower, our offense will be f**king unstoppable. We'll be playoff bound and have a bright future.

That's what I think. If we draft him KC will have the #1 rushing offense by a large margin. Our RB's will become more effective because of what I call the 'Michael Vick effect".

That said, I'm totally convinced we'll be entering next season watching a QB competition between Cassel and Orton regardless of who the coach is.

This is a great point. Though, I'm still uncomfortable using Michael Vick as an example. I know he's gotten better at extending plays, but that's not his bread and butter. Young is an interesting example because he uses his legs a lot to extend plays, but he's really not the type of guy who's going to take off and run a ton. I agree that Charles could be an absolute monster in this kind of an offense.

[ChiefsCountry]

Personally I would rather have Barkley but RG3 would be fine.

[Titty Meat]

Where do we pick at now with todays loss?

[O.city]

I would love barkley or RGIII. I just see RGIII having a higher ceiling and Barkley having a higher floor.

I'll admit i've kinda fallen in love with RGIIIs arm. I think he has a more explosive arm than the other two top guys. He is smallish and I have seen him float some balls but it usually stems from his footwork. It needs cleaned up a little.

[NJChiefsFan]

Where do we pick at now with todays loss?

10th I believe. 6 of the 9 teams ahead of us have 4 wins. Last weeks win really hurts right now.

[O.city]

So where would we be if we would have lost last week?

[NJChiefsFan]

So where would we be if we would have lost last week?

I didn't check the tie-breaker, which would be SOS. Even if we were still 8th or 9th those teams ahead of us losing would mean us passing them for good, not just tying them which is what it will mean now for any of them that win next week. Too bad WAS couldn't steal it. Thought MIA had a decent chance today as well.

[O.city]

We really need Mia and Was to win some games. However I'm not so sure the Skins aren't gonna forge ahead with Grossman or (fingers crossed) Manning.

[NJChiefsFan]

We really need Mia and Was to win some games. However I'm not so sure the Skins aren't gonna forge ahead with Grossman or (fingers crossed) Manning.

A major concern of mine with MIA and WAS is that they might trade up at some point to get Barkley or RG3. I doubt Pioli does that.

[WhiteWhale]

This is a great point. Though, I'm still uncomfortable using Michael Vick as an example. I know he's gotten better at extending plays, but that's not his bread and butter. Young is an interesting example because he uses his legs a lot to extend plays, but he's really not the type of guy who's going to take off and run a ton. I agree that Charles could be an absolute monster in this kind of an offense.

I'm not talking about extending plays though.

I'm talking about the running game exploding because of the threat of DESIGNED runs from the QB. Charles runs really well behind zone blocking and a QB with a threat that forces the DE to stay home time after time will really open up HUGE cutback lanes for Charles.

Look at the running lanes McCoy gets. They're freaking HUGE. It was the same way in Atlanta with Dunn.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not talking about extending plays though.

I'm talking about the running game exploding because of the threat of DESIGNED runs from the QB.

Look at the running lanes McCoy gets. They're freaking HUGE. It was the same way in Atlanta with Dunn.

Designed runs. I get your point. That's interesting. It's like always being lined up in the wildcat.

[WhiteWhale]

Designed runs. I get your point. That's interesting. It's like always being lined up in the wildcat.

I'm just talking about the threat of the bootleg. When the QB has great mobility it creates a very difficult situation for the DE on the backside. RGIII and Jamaal Charles will make every DE in the NFL look like Eric Hicks against the Broncos. It's nothing like being lined up in the wildcat, because you can fake a boot and throw too. That's the waggle. :D

It's just an effect that mobile QB's have that I noticed in Atlanta when Mora was using the ZBS. They're doing it in Philly too. McCoy has the easiest RB job in the NFL.

Imagine Charles being in an offense that gives him that kind of advantage. I mean... good night!

[tredadda]

Yes I would
No Pioli won't

[O.city]

I want RGIII as a Chief based more on his ability to throw the ball.

The fact that he can be a threat in the running game is a plus although I don't want my franchise qb running around alot. That doesn't work in the NFL. He needs to run like Rodgers does. Only out of necessity and the occasional bootleg for a first down.

[WhiteWhale]

I want RGIII as a Chief based more on his ability to throw the ball.

The fact that he can be a threat in the running game is a plus although I don't want my franchise qb running around alot. That doesn't work in the NFL. He needs to run like Rodgers does. Only out of necessity and the occasional bootleg for a first down.

Nonsense.

I don't want my Qb running all over the place either, but asking RGIII to be Aaron Rogers is just crazy. They're not the same... at all.

The Waggle is arguably the most difficult offensive play in football to defend. Everyone uses it, and the whole concept is a million times more deadly with a QB who can move around. Not utilizing it would be borderline retarded, especially given the impact it could have on how teams would have to play those stretch plays with Charles.

It's not a primary reason to draft a QB, but it's fascinating given who our RB should be next season. That, to me, makes it worth discussing.

[O.city]

I'm not asking him to be Aaron Rodgers just run like Rodgers does, which he posseses the ability to do.

When you have man coverage and you run a rb out of the backefield and the lbs clear out, either get it to the guy singled up in coverage with no one over thetop or take off.

He needs to run to get first downs in tough situations and to keep plays alive so he can complete passes down the field.

[threebag]

I don't see him as being durable.

[O.city]

I don't see him as being durable.

I don't get this argument. He has missed one half of football this year in college. He tore his ACL a few years ago. Thats it.

[O.city]

Speaking of that, he tore his ACL and has come back to be as explosive as he was before.

Thats a good sign considering we have 3 guys coming back from that.

[Dayze]

as for the original OP question; yes, I would trade up. Unlike the Chiefs organization, I wouldn't be scared shitless to draft a QB.

[Chief Roundup]

Willing to trade up Hell Yes. But figure that the price is to steap.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Willing to trade up Hell Yes. But figure that the price is to steap.

Too steep, also.

[jd1020]

I don't get this argument. He has missed one half of football this year in college. He tore his ACL a few years ago. Thats it.

You really don't see why someone would worry about how a "6'2 220," who is probably closer to 200, and his big plays are made with his legs would stay healthy in the NFL?

[ChiefsCountry]

1st and 3rd is the general rule in trading up in the first round. Thats not steep.

[O.city]

You really don't see why someone would worry about how a "6'2 220," who is probably closer to 200, and his big plays are made with his legs would stay healthy in the NFL?

You keep saying his big plays are made with his legs, and the dude led college football with most completions over 35 yards.

He does make plays with his legs and I get you don't like the guy as a player but come on.

[Chief Roundup]

1st and 3rd is the general rule in trading up in the first round. Thats not steep.

I don't know the values and don't recall all the trades that have recently happened. But I think your general rule there is wrong when you are trying to get into the top 5.
Every team would jump at swapping picks and giving up a 3rd. Unless you are meaning giving up this years 1st and 3rd and next years 1st. Which is closer to what I think it would take, But I think there would have to be another pick like this years or next years 2cd.

[jd1020]

You keep saying his big plays are made with his legs, and the dude led college football with most completions over 35 yards.

He does make plays with his legs and I get you don't like the guy as a player but come on.

The reason he is so highly toted as a NFL QB is because of his play making ability. You keep saying he's a "pocket passer." If you draft him as a pocket passer you aren't going to draft him in the first round.

[O.city]

The reason he is so highly toted as a NFL QB is because of his play making ability. You keep saying he's a "pocket passer." If you draft him as a pocket passer you aren't going to draft him in the first round.

You don't think he's a pocket passer and wouldn't draft him in the first but you would Tannehill?

[Imon Yourside]

I would trade a 1st, Our Head coach, starting QB and current starter all for RG3. That's four for one, what a bargain!

[jd1020]

You don't think he's a pocket passer and wouldn't draft him in the first but you would Tannehill?

I would draft him in the first because he's a play maker. You want to ****ing turn him into a pure pocket passer. Why even draft him if you aren't drafting him because of the one element he brings that not many other QBs bring?

If RG3 could not run, he would not be a first round projection.

[NJChiefsFan]

I would trade a 1st, Our Head coach, starting QB and current starter all for RG3. That's four for one, what a bargain!

Haha. As long as we get teams to look at quanity and not quality we are set.

[Canofbier]

It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out. If we lose out (which is obviously a major possibility) and teams like the Dolphins can manage to win a few, we might end up in the position to take RGIII or Barkley without having to trade up.

[jd1020]

It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out. If we lose out (which is obviously a major possibility) and teams like the Dolphins can manage to win a few, we might end up in the position to take RGIII or Barkley without having to trade up.

Dolphins have to win 66% of their remaining games for us to draft ahead of them. Call me crazy, but I like their chances of being ahead of us. Thats if, and only if, we lose out.

[O.city]

I would draft him in the first because he's a play maker. You want to ****ing turn him into a pure pocket passer. Why even draft him if you aren't drafting him because of the one element he brings that not many other QBs bring?

If RG3 could not run, he would not be a first round projection.

I've went back and watched alot of his stuff from this year and he does run alot more than I thought the did. I woudln't want him to do tha in the NFL which might make me think twice about drafting him if he's gonna take off that much.

I think he throws a better ball than you give him credit for. IMO he throws a better ball than Barkley. He's not as polished as Barkley tho.

I think he's a better version of Vince Young. He's smaller but is probably faster and throws a much better ball.

Maybe he's just the flavor of the month and I'm too high on him, but I think you undervalue him as a passer.

Again just my opinion.

[NJChiefsFan]

Dolphins have to win 66% of their remaining games for us to draft ahead of them. Call me crazy, but I like their chances of being ahead of us.

I thought somebody said that MIA actually has a better SOS than us now. Is that correct or can somebody post the current SOS if possible?

[O.city]

Dolphins have to win 66% of their remaining games for us to draft ahead of them. Call me crazy, but I like their chances of being ahead of us. Thats if, and only if, we lose out.

So are you saying they will win 2 of 3 or they won't?

[O.city]

I thought somebody said that MIA actually has a better SOS than us now. Is that correct or can somebody post the current SOS if possible?

They might but I beleive they have 4 wins? Could be wrong tho.

[jd1020]

I've went back and watched alot of his stuff from this year and he does run alot more than I thought the did. I woudln't want him to do tha in the NFL which might make me think twice about drafting him if he's gonna take off that much.

I think he throws a better ball than you give him credit for. IMO he throws a better ball than Barkley. He's not as polished as Barkley tho.

I think he's a better version of Vince Young. He's smaller but is probably faster and throws a much better ball.

Maybe he's just the flavor of the month and I'm too high on him, but I think you undervalue him as a passer.

Again just my opinion.

I value Moore as a better passer than RG3. But, Moore does not bring to the table what RG3 brings as far as athletic ability. Moore is a true pocket passer.

[NJChiefsFan]

They might but I beleive they have 4 wins? Could be wrong tho.

You are correct. He was saying they need to get to 6 wins and I am saying I think they only need to tie us because we no longer have the strongest SOS.

[O.city]

I value Moore as a better passer than RG3. But, Moore does not bring to the table what RG3 brings as far as athletic ability. Moore is a true pocket passer.

Moore doesn't have the arm strenght RG3 does, but he is probably alot more accurate.


The scouts are really down on Moore right now, I guess his measurables but the guy is extrememly accurate.

[jd1020]

So are you saying they will win 2 of 3 or they won't?

I'm saying they win 1.

[NJChiefsFan]

I'm saying they win 1.

Are you positive about who wins the tie-breaker?

[O.city]

I'm saying they win 1.

So....

Does that put them behind us?

[O.city]

So if by some miracle Barkley and RGIII are sitting there which one woudl you take?


I'm probably taking Barkley.

[NJChiefsFan]

There are 4 teams ahead of us that need QBs. IND/MIA/CLE/WAS. The good news is that besides IND they all have 4 wins, so they are still close to us. Now if for some reason the SOS ends up working out our way, we could sneak up the board if we manage to lose-out.

Next week MIA plays BUF and CLE plays ARI so there is a chance we could tie both next week. The week after WAS plays MIN. The final week WAS plays PHI, MIA plays NYJ. Now they will be underdogs, but its against division rivals who also may be out of playoffs by then.

There are chances out there for things to go our way. We need to lose-out, hope the SOS swings our way, and hope for some help. Other 4 win teams winning would be nice. The less teams above us that can trade down, the better.

[jd1020]

So if by some miracle Barkley and RGIII are sitting there which one woudl you take?


I'm probably taking Barkley.

Brantley. He comes from the tree.

[O.city]

I'm bringing this thread back.


With a new coach comes a new qb. Mark it down.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm bringing this thread back.


With a new coach comes a new qb. Mark it down.

Unless that coach is McDaniels or another good ole boy network guy

[Hammock Parties]

We are not hiring McDaniels.

SMU Valedictorians aren't that fucking dumb.

[O.city]

I don't see the Mcd thing. How the hell does Pioli sell that to Hunt after what just happened?

It's gonna be Fischer.

[O.city]

I said it in another thread but am too lazy to look it up



Barkley and RGIII are sitting there when we pick. Who you goin with.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't see the Mcd thing. How the hell does Pioli sell that to Hunt after what just happened?

It's gonna be Fischer.

HIS NAME IS FISHER

[O.city]

HIS NAME IS FISHER

I fucking know. My dog stepped on my c key and it fucks up sometimes.

[Mr. Laz]

I said it in another thread but am too lazy to look it up


Barkley and RGIII are sitting there when we pick. Who you goin with.
depends on the OC we get imo

Barkley is a traditional pocket passer
RGIII is a chuck and duck


Barkley worries me a bit because he tends to go into Captain Fetal Position sometimes. Wilts under pressure.

The way RGIII goes deep all the time could just implode if he doesn't have the right system and group of WR's. His passes tend to wobble a little bit too.

edge to RGIII, i guess.

[O.city]

I just dunno which one i'm bigger on. Either would be alright with me.

I wanna see them throw at the combine for sure first.

[Ming the Merciless]

Im gonna leave it up to those who know him better but if he is good, sure...Make a damn trade if its a guy who could help us for years.

[Braincase]

I'm not making any call on a QB until I see their Wunderlick score.

[KcMizzou]

I just dunno which one i'm bigger on. Either would be alright with me.

I wanna see them throw at the combine for sure first.As a fan of a Big 12 team (for the moment), I've seen quite a bit of RG3. I'd take him for the Chiefs in a heartbeat. He's smart as hell, has uncanny accuracy, and is a dynamic athlete.

I honestly don't know much about Barkley.

[tk13]

Adam Schefter just said he has talked to NFL people who like RG III over Luck. Not a bunch, but 2-3. It won't matter because he thinks the Colts are taking Luck, but says RG III could be the 2nd guy off the board.

[KcMizzou]

My biggest concern about RG3 in the NFL would be durability. I don't know that he has any history of injury problems, but he's got a long skinny body type that looks like it would be easily broken.

[htismaqe]

As I've said before, I think the pro game is setup right now for a guy like RG3. He could be the "next big thing" and it would be nice to be SETTING the trends instead of following them for once.

[tk13]

My biggest concern about RG3 in the NFL would be durability. I don't know that he has any history of injury problems, but he's got a long skinny body type that looks like it would be easily broken.

That's what I've said all along. He has the talent, seems like a smart guy, good arm. There is a lot to like. But he is a runner and he is absolutely not built like Tebow/Cam Newton. You can almost bet he will miss time eventually due to running around.

He can fly though.

[doomy3]

I said it in another thread but am too lazy to look it up



Barkley and RGIII are sitting there when we pick. Who you goin with.

RGIII.

He could be a game changer at the position.

Guys like Barkley are in every single draft. Guys like RGIII aren't.

[prhom]

I just can't help but like RGIII. He seems like a smart, hardworking guy that has crazy athletic skills. I think he'd be really fun to watch on the Chiefs. However, I just can't see us making the sacrifices needed to move high enough to get him. With our sterling 5-8 record we've put ourselves pretty well out of reach I'm afraid.

[prhom]

My biggest concern about RG3 in the NFL would be durability. I don't know that he has any history of injury problems, but he's got a long skinny body type that looks like it would be easily broken.

Am I the only one who thinks RGIII looks a little like Charles when he's running? Charles always looks loose when he's dodging defenders and I cringe every time he gets hit. I know RGIII is taller and heavier, but it seems like a similar style. Maybe it's because they both did track?

[KcMizzou]

Am I the only one who thinks RGIII looks a little like Charles when he's running? Charles always looks loose when he's dodging defenders and I cringe every time he gets hit. I know RGIII is taller and heavier, but it seems like a similar style. Maybe it's because they both did track?I always think JC is going to be broken every time he takes a hit. He pops back up though (even if he has to relocate his shoulder). And when he did go out for the season... it was effort that got him, not a hit.

[O.city]

I like what RGIII could bring to the table but Barkley is a little more polished at this point.

Dunno which way I am leaning.

[prhom]

I always think JC is going to be broken every time he takes a hit. He pops back up though (even if he has to relocate his shoulder). And when he did go out for the season... it was effort that got him, not a hit.

For real, I really get nervous when he gets stood up and keeps fighting for extra yards even though a linebacker is about to tee off on him. Still he always seems to miss the worst hits. RGIII probably has the same shiftiness to him. I bet he'll be just fine in the NFL.

[patteeu]

My biggest concern about RG3 in the NFL would be durability. I don't know that he has any history of injury problems, but he's got a long skinny body type that looks like it would be easily broken.

FWIW:

Steve McNair - 6'2" / 230 lbs

Robert Griffin III - 6'2" / 220 lbs

Steve Young - 6'2" / 215 lbs

If he lies somewhere between McNair and Young on the durability scale, he's probably in good shape.

[Chiefnj2]

He isn't going to run as much in the NFL.

[O.city]

FWIW:

Steve McNair - 6'2" / 230 lbs

Robert Griffin III - 6'2" / 220 lbs

Steve Young - 6'2" / 215 lbs

If he lies somewhere between McNair and Young on the durability scale, he's probably in good shape.

Problem is I don't think he's near that size. If he is gonna come in the NFL and try to run around, he's gonna break. If he can be a pocket passer and only use the athleticism when he needs to ala Rodgers he will be fine.


He throws a good ball but he would need a little work as he is coming from a spread system. If I'm taking a quarterback that early I'd rather him be pretty polished. However, I like what RGIII brings to the table as he has a high ceiling.

IMO if we are gonna trade up, go to the top and get Luck. Set this franchise up for 15 years.

[Epic Fail 007]

Yes

[ChiefsCountry]

NFL weight program will put the pounds on him, espeically since he wouldn't be running track in the NFL.

[DaWolf]

I'm a big fan of RGIII and would love for this team to draft him. I do question though whether Pioli would draft a guy who plays in a spread type offense. I'm just speculating here, but he seems to gravitate more towards guys who play in the pro style offense, and who play in places like the Pac12 or SEC. One line sticks out to me in War Room, when he was talking to a scout, and he was talking about evaluating smaller running backs and yards after contact, and he said something to the effect of guys who play in that "spread crap."

So again, pure speculation on my part, but my guess is that if Pioli had his choice of RGIII or Barkley, and had to choose one, he'd go Barkley because he played at USC in a pro style offense. He would probably see that as a less risky move than taking someone from the spread and hoping that they would be able to exhibit pocket presence and play in the pro style system he wants to run...

[darkchief]

Ill take some RG3! I hope he can outplay Palko during training camp...

[Dayze]

we all know Pioli is going to trade for Hasselbeck.

[O.city]

It's time this franchise makes a ballsy decision. Go out on a limb and get a winner.

[RealSNR]

Problem is I don't think he's near that size. If he is gonna come in the NFL and try to run around, he's gonna break. If he can be a pocket passer and only use the athleticism when he needs to ala Rodgers he will be fine.
I mean, he's not going to run the option for crying out loud. But the team that drafts him would be mad to not encourage him to scramble if the opportunity ever arose.

5 or 10 runs per game isn't going to kill the guy for crying out loud. That's roughly about what he does in college, and he gets whacked pretty hard on a lot of them. Gets right back up, though.

RGIII hasn't missed a single game this year or the year before. The dude is tough enough to play in this league.

[O.city]

I mean, he's not going to run the option for crying out loud. But the team that drafts him would be mad to not encourage him to scramble if the opportunity ever arose.

5 or 10 runs per game isn't going to kill the guy for crying out loud. That's roughly about what he does in college, and he gets whacked pretty hard on a lot of them. Gets right back up, though.

RGIII hasn't missed a single game this year or the year before. The dude is tough enough to play in this league.

I'm not saying he shouldn't run at all. Just when the opportunity arises that it can be productive.

I know he isn't running the option but I also don't really want him having to many designed runs.

[patteeu]

Steve McNair probably had a stronger arm than RGIII, but my first impression is that RGIII ought to emulate McNair or Steve Young in terms of pass-first, but scramble when necessary style.

[NJChiefsFan]

We are not hiring McDaniels.

SMU Valedictorians aren't that ****ing dumb.

Didn't Nick Wright, the source you trust, say that Pioli wants him but knows the backlash would be too huge. If thats true its not Pioli, but media/fans who are keeping from making that dumb move.

[jd1020]

Didn't Nick Wright, the source you trust, say that Pioli wants him but knows the backlash would be too huge. If thats true its not Pioli, but media/fans who are keeping from making that dumb move.

If he's fired in Stl he'll be here as OC. Pioli doesn't think he can sell him as HC but he wants him here in some capacity.

[NJChiefsFan]

If he's fired in Stl he'll be here as OC. Pioli doesn't think he can sell him as HC but he wants him here in some capacity.

I know the skinny, I was just pointing out that I don't understand how GC can say Pioli isn't that stupid when a guy he said he trusts is claiming Pioli really wanted him as HC.

[jd1020]

I know the skinny, I was just pointing out that I don't understand how GC can say Pioli isn't that stupid when a guy he said he trusts is claiming Pioli really wanted him as HC.

Personally, I wouldn't be 100% against him being HC. I'd give him a chance because I dont think Pioli would fold to his personnel decisions.

[NJChiefsFan]

Personally, I wouldn't be 100% against him being HC. I'd give him a chance because I dont think Pioli would fold to his personnel decisions.

Yeah McDaniels got a huge label put on him with all that happened in Denver. I think, despite what has happened in STL, he is a pretty good OC. His play-calling on MNF wasn't very pretty but I still think he would be ok. One of my bigger concerns is his reputation as being a coach players hate. Haley was a maniac, but players seemed to respect him once they got used to each others style. That changed once Haley seemed to lose it mentally this year.