Who do you want to be the next Head Coach of this team?

[Bill Lundberg]

Who's out there and available that you want to see coaching the Chiefs? An up and comer, a proven guy, Todd Haley?

Realistically, who is out there that would be on your short list to interview? Cowher would be great, but seems very unlikely. People have mentioned McDaniels. Who's out there?

[chiefzilla1501]

This front office is so stuck on arrogantly pushing the Patriot Way that it is clearly either McDaniels or Mangini.

[Bill Lundberg]

Hasn't Mangini been "shunned" for ratting out the Patriots? I doubt he will be considered.

[HonestChieffan]

FAX.

[wazu]

It really doesn't matter.

[Fritz88]

Zimmer.

[notorious]

Bill Belichick.

[kstater]

Weis

[FringeNC]

No big name coach will come here and work under Pioli. Either Crennel elevated to HC with McDaniels as OC, or McDaniels as HC with Crennel as DC.

[Buehler445]

I'm finding it hard to give a fuck.

[Deberg_1990]

Hasn't Mangini been "shunned" for ratting out the Patriots? I doubt he will be considered.

Saban or Ferentz

[Fritz88]

Bill Belichick.

BB - Brady = not much.

[Scorp]

It will be Romeo Crenell.

[Shogun]

Mark Mangino

[loochy]

bill parcells

[notorious]

BB - Brady = not much.

In that case, I will take Sean Peyton.

[Titty Meat]

Rich Kotite or Wayne Fontes.

[loochy]

marv levy

[notorious]

Rich Kotite or Wayne Fontes.

Ouch LOL.



Are we trying to top Herm and Todd's performances?

[007]

because we haven't seen this thread before

[tk13]

Marty. Brian as OC, Gunther as DC and Kurt as ST coach.

[Munson]

Bill Muir.

[Huffman83]

I don't care who. I just want them to win. Keep Haley, fire Haley. Cut this guy, cut that guy. Just win, I don't give a shit who it is.

[KC_Lee]

Paul Wiggin.

[DeezNutz]

Ferentz with Stanzi at QB and a healthy Brokaki.

[Bill Lundberg]

I've been wanting Haley to get one more year all season, but I don't think it's happening. That being said, I've yet to hear an available name that I would rather have than Haley.

[Willie Lanier]

Hank Stram

EDIT: Hank Stram's hairpiece

[OzarksChiefsFan]

Stoops!

[ChiefsCountry]

Here is the list from Tree:

Josh McDaniels, Rams OC
Eric Mangini, Former Browns Hc
Rob Ryan, Cowboys DC
Bill O'Brien, Pats OC
John Mitchell, Steelers Assitant HC
Pepper Johnson, Pats DL Coach
Dean Pees, Ravens LB Coach
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa Head Coach
Nick Saban, Alabama Head Coach
Al Groh, Georgia Tech DC
Mike Zimmer, Bengals DC
Chris Palmer, Titans OC

[suds79]

Jeff Fisher. Easy. But it won't happen.

All I know is that I don't want it to be Josh McDaniels.

[notorious]

Jeff Fisher. Easy. But it won't happen.

.

Antifreeze.

[chiefscafan]

I'll stick by what I said jeff fisher is my pick I feel he could work with pioli

[Brock]

Ferentz.

[VonneMarie]

Bill Muir.

LOL

[KC_Lee]

Jeff Fisher. Easy. But it won't happen.

Seriously folks, Fisher is the most overrated piece of crap ever. He had a few good years, one Super Bowl run, and a bunch of 8 - 8 seasons. He won with a core of players (McNair, Dyson, George, etc.) and once they got old and broken down Fisher could not change and was out of coaching.

If you want Fisher you are happy to play for mediocrity, we did that under Marty. Have we not learned our lesson?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Todd Haley.

[Noss]

Jack Del Rio, he is at least willing to change the starting QB.

Really doesn't matter the Cheeps will draft Tyson Jackson two anyway.

[Titty Meat]

Jack Del Rio, he is at least willing to change the starting QB.

Really doesn't matter the Cheeps will draft Tyson Jackson two anyway.

No.

[notorious]

Jack Del Rio, he is at least willing to change the starting QB.

Really doesn't matter the Cheeps will draft Tyson Jackson two anyway.

Antifreeze.

[suds79]

He won with a core of players (McNair, Dyson, George, etc.) and once they got old and broken down Fisher could not change and was out of coaching.

If you want Fisher you are happy to play for mediocrity, we did that under Marty. Have we not learned our lesson?

Okay. Name me a coach who made it to a SB without good players and I'll listen.

Marty never made a SB.

[petegz28]

No college coaches, please. I want a defensive minded coach that has some sort of NFL experience

[keg in kc]

Not McDaniels. Not Cowher. Not Fisher. Not Del Rio. Not anybody named Ryan.

[Crush]

Jack Del Rio, he is at least willing to change the starting QB.

Really doesn't matter the Cheeps will draft Tyson Jackson two anyway.


Please lick an AIDS tree at your earliest convenience.

[aturnis]

Saban or Ferentz

Ferentz is going nowhere unless fired. Besides, he way too conservative for todays NFL.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't care who it is as long as they have a history of winning in the NFL.

[GoHuge]

I have been hesitant to say that Haley has to go, but this shit is now defenseless. Gotta blow it up. I just don't want another retread from Uncle Bill's "family tree." These people are doing what Dayton was doing with the Royals his first 3 years. He would take any piece of shit he could get from the Braves and ride that bitch into the ground. I will hold that over his head forever as I am permanently traumatized after having to watch Kyle Davies................for 4 ****ing years!!!

[Discuss Thrower]

No college coaches, please. I want a defensive minded coach that has some sort of NFL experience

This guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mitchell_(American_football_coach)

[notorious]

I don't care who it is as long as they have a history of winning in the NFL.

Stop sucking Marty off.

[The Franchise]

Mike Zimmer

[KC_Lee]

Okay. Name me a coach who made it to a SB without good players and I'll listen.

Marty never made a SB.


I think you missed my point. Once the "original" core of Oilers / Titans players started falling off Fisher could not adjust. Nor do I think he wanted to put in the time and / or effort to start over and rebuild a team.

Trust me on this one. I've lived in Nashville for 8 years and watched the Fisher's final years. He sucked, his playbook was 80% draw plays. He could not see that certian players were role players (see Jared Cook) and did not fit the traditional mold of certian positions.

I have said this everytime someone mentions Fisher's name as a canidate for HC on the Chiefs. Fisher is Marty, plain and simple. He does not play to win but plays not to lose. Been there, done that, got the T shirt and commerative cup. Don't want to go back there.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

I honestly don't know. Parcells is who I'd WANT but as for reality. No idea.

[DTLB58]

Does it really matter? I mean seriously.
It is up to one man and that is Clark Hunt. If he wants this team to be competitive enough to win a championship he will give the orders (or pull a Jerry Jones and do it himself) to get a Franchise QB and start to make the moves, (improve the O line) and get this team going in the right direction.

Right now, he is showing he doesn't care by allowing this crap to happen.

It's not about coaching anymore in Kansas City but Ownership, it's gone on to long.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Mike Zimmer

My 2nd choice.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

seriously if you Fire Haley after this injury filled season, then you better hire a big name with Head Coaching experience

[ClevelandBronco]

Romeo, please.

[Hammock Parties]

Stop sucking Marty off.

2nd requirement: isn't old as fuck

[kcxiv]

Doesnt matter until we get a new QB. Whoever is stuck with Cassel is doomed to fail.

[WV]

Promote Crennel and bring in Singletary as DC.

Or anyone besides Cowher.

[KC_Lee]

Promote Crennel and bring in Singletary as DC.

And what do we do on the offensive side of the ball? Do we keep anyone? Zorn?

[Hammock Parties]

Shocking that anyone would want to promote Crennel.

Clearly not a logical option.

[WV]

And what do we do on the offensive side of the ball? Do we keep anyone? Zorn?

Anyone but Muir...don't really have a pref outside of that.

[WV]

Shocking that anyone would want to promote Crennel.

Clearly not a logical option.

He could be better in his second stint as a lot of coaches are. He seems even keeled enough to deal with Pioli and not get into pissing matches.

[Hammock Parties]

He could be better in his second stint as a lot of coaches are. He seems even keeled enough to deal with Pioli and not get into pissing matches.

He'd be an OK option if you can't get someone like Jeff Fisher in here.

But we are definitely going to hire a proven HC. Crennel is not.

[TEX]

I think you missed my point. Once the "original" core of Oilers / Titans players started falling off Fisher could not adjust. Nor do I think he wanted to put in the time and / or effort to start over and rebuild a team.

Trust me on this one. I've lived in Nashville for 8 years and watched the Fisher's final years. He sucked, his playbook was 80% draw plays. He could not see that certian players were role players (see Jared Cook) and did not fit the traditional mold of certian positions.

I have said this everytime someone mentions Fisher's name as a canidate for HC on the Chiefs. Fisher is Marty, plain and simple. He does not play to win but plays not to lose. Been there, done that, got the T shirt and commerative cup. Don't want to go back there.

You are wrong on that one. Fisher is not Marty.

[PRIEST]

Does it really matter? I mean seriously.
It is up to one man and that is Clark Hunt. If he wants this team to be competitive enough to win a championship he will give the orders (or pull a Jerry Jones and do it himself) to get a Franchise QB and start to make the moves, (improve the O line) and get this team going in the right direction.

Right now, he is showing he doesn't care by allowing this crap to happen.

It's not about coaching anymore in Kansas City but Ownership, it's gone on to long.


THIS

[chiefzilla1501]

Shocking that anyone would want to promote Crennel.

Clearly not a logical option.

Agreed. Why would anyone think this is a good option? He's not head coach material.

[WV]

He'd be an OK option if you can't get someone like Jeff Fisher in here.

But we are definitely going to hire a proven HC. Crennel is not.

I don't see why anyone would have Fisher at the top of the list either. Seems like a great guy, but I just can't get excited for him as HC.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't see why anyone would have Fisher at the top of the list either. Seems like a great guy, but I just can't get excited for him as HC.

We need a proven winner. Absolutely a must.

Who is better?

[chiefzilla1501]

What's also interesting to me is that we're treating head coaches completely differently from QBs.

We demand a first round QB and we demand patience as he works through problems.

We don't mind retreads at head coach, even those who don't have a history of Super Bowl performance. But we don't have the patience for a young head coach like Haley to learn on the job.

Look, the option is either to bring in a retread (limited history of success) with success of winning, find a guy who was wrongly fired, hire an older and experienced coordinator who for some reason (usually good ones) could never get an NFL gig prior, or go with a young guy with upside and watch him to develop into the job.

I'd rather the young guy like Haley with the upside than an old guy who is more ready but has a lower ceiling.

[Deberg_1990]

He could be better in his second stint as a lot of coaches are. He seems even keeled enough to deal with Pioli and not get into pissing matches.

Dude is old as dirt and has had medical issues

[Hammock Parties]

But we don't have the patience for a young head coach like Haley to learn on the job.


Yes we do. We gave him three years and he's a tard. GTFO.

Conversely, there's nothing wrong with hiring a retread HC.

12 Super Bowls have been won by retreads.

[MahiMike]

Todd Haley.

[Discuss Thrower]

Todd Haley.

Give him a QB and then make an assessment.

[chiefzilla1501]

Yes we do. We gave him three years and he's a tard. GTFO.

Conversely, there's nothing wrong with hiring a retread HC.

12 Super Bowls have been won by retreads.

How many Super Bowls have been one by a coach within his first 3 years as a head coach? I think the answer is 0 (I think)

[Discuss Thrower]

How many Super Bowls have been one by a coach within his first 3 years as a head coach? I think the answer is 0 (I think)

Sean Payton called your mom and said whassup

[GoHuge]

Agreed. Why would anyone think this is a good option? He's not head coach material.Oh whatever the guy has 3 rings and is a disciple of Uncle Bill. They can all go shit in a box, stamp "winning" on said box, and then sell it as a priceless football commodity. These guys don't make mistakes, just ask'em and they will tell ya!! Hell Weis rambled on for 45 minutes during his damn introductory news presser. All the guys in this club are synonymous with being self-absored and having terrible bodies. Put Uncle Bill, Parcells, Weis, and Crennel on one team and I challenge anyone to find a collection of worst bodies in football. No way I could take those guys seriously when they talk about what is the right and wrong way of doing a physical activity............give me a break!

[Hammock Parties]

How many Super Bowls have been one by a coach within his first 3 years as a head coach? I think the answer is 0 (I think)

Are you serious? You can't be serious.

[jspchief]

The Rat

[CoMoChief]

Gunther

[CoMoChief]

Honestly I'd like to see what Wade Phillips could do. Always that he was a good coach, however coaching for Jerry Jones I would think would be impossible and most coaches that have coached under him have failed.

[Brock]

I think history has pretty much proven that Wade is at the correct level right now. He isn't a bad head coach, but he certainly isn't a great one either.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Let's give Tom Cable a try:eek:

[chiefzilla1501]

Are you serious? You can't be serious.

Yes, I am serious. Young head coaches in their first stint rarely make Super Bowls. It's a little thing they call a learning curve. QBs go through it too.

[BigMeatballDave]

Honestly I'd like to see what Wade Phillips could do. Always that he was a good coach, however coaching for Jerry Jones I would think would be impossible and most coaches that have coached under him have failed.Wade has done nothing as HC.

[Bump]

Ok so what's out there? I don't want an old school one a superbowl once coach other than Jon Gruden. He would probably be my first choice, 2nd choice is Ditka, 3rd is Jim Mora and not his whiny bitch ass son either, Jim "talking about playoffs" Mora.

[jd1020]

Ok so what's out there? I don't want an old school one a superbowl once coach other than Jon Gruden. He would probably be my first choice, 2nd choice is Ditka, 3rd is Jim Mora and not his whiny bitch ass son either, Jim "talking about playoffs" Mora.

I would love Gruden.

That would guarantee the Chiefs have a new QB in 2012.

[notorious]

Sean Peyton?

[notorious]

Honestly I'd like to see what Wade Phillips could do. Always that he was a good coach, however coaching for Jerry Jones I would think would be impossible and most coaches that have coached under him have failed.

Sweet Mother Of God.




Holy Shit.



Christ on a Crutch.



Wow, just wow.

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

Romeo and we hire Norv to run the offenses....not what I want , but I think that is how it will play out

[Rams Fan]

Sean Payton called your mom and said whassup

Then he called and said he won it in year 4, not 3.

[jd1020]

Then he called and said he won it in year 4, not 3.

Then Mike Tomlin called.

[notorious]

Then Mike Tomlin called.

Brian Billick is holding on line 2.

[notorious]

George Seifert, Line 3.

[chiefzilla1501]

Then Mike Tomlin called.

Tomlin is the exception not the rule. And he and seifert inherited insanely talented squads. most coaches take time to develop. The vast majority of super bowl coaches took a long time to get there.

[jd1020]

There's always an "exception" to a rule when someone says something has never happened and then they are proven wrong.

[notorious]

There's always an "exception" to a rule when someone says something has never happened and then they are proven wrong.

LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Yes, I am serious. Young head coaches in their first stint rarely make Super Bowls. It's a little thing they call a learning curve. QBs go through it too.

How many of them got blown out 1/3 of the time through their first 3 seasons?

Bill Walsh won the Super Bowl in his third year as HC.

Joe Gibbs in his 2nd season.

Mike Ditka in his 4th season.

Bill Parcells in his 4th season.

Jimmy Johnson in his 4th season.

Brian Billick in his 2nd season.

Throw in Mike Tomlin (2nd) and Sean Payton (4th).

You = wrong.

Haley has shown nothing to indicate he is on a successful career path like these guys.

[Brock]

Tomlin is the exception not the rule. And he and seifert inherited insanely talented squads. most coaches take time to develop. The vast majority of super bowl coaches took a long time to get there.

What? No. Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Mike Ditka, Jimmy Johnson, Joe Gibbs, Bilick, Gruden, etc., they all won it within a few years of becoming head coach.

[chiefzilla1501]

So I'm proven wrong because you can point to 4 examples in 30 years? And you can't bring up 4 year wonders because Haley hasn't coached in 4 years.



How many of them got blown out 1/3 of the time through their first 3 seasons?

Bill Walsh won the Super Bowl in his third year as HC.

Joe Gibbs in his 2nd season.

Mike Ditka in his 4th season.

Bill Parcells in his 4th season.

Jimmy Johnson in his 4th season.

Brian Billick in his 2nd season.

Throw in Mike Tomlin (2nd) and Sean Payton (4th).

You = wrong.

Haley has shown nothing to indicate he is on a successful career path like these guys.

[notorious]

All of those coaches were headed in the right direction, and big things were predicted for their 4th year.


Hell, McCarthy and Mike Holmgrun did it in 5, and Holmgrun had to compete with Dallas and SF to get theirs.

[WhiteWhale]

George Seifert, Line 3.

Yeah.

The 2012 chiefs will have a LOT in common with the 89 49ers.

[notorious]

Yeah.

The 2012 chiefs will have a LOT in common with the 89 49ers.

He said there were no 3rd year SB winning coaches.


He is wrong.

[milkman]

You are wrong on that one. Fisher is not Marty.

I completely agree.

Marty was actually more progressive and less conservative.

[Hammock Parties]

I completely agree.

Marty was actually more progressive and less conservative.

Fisher had a few top 10 passing offenses when McNair was his QB.

He also hired Mike Heimerdinger because he wanted to throw the ball more.

[2112]

Hank Stram

[chiefzilla1501]

All of those coaches were headed in the right direction, and big things were predicted for their 4th year.


Hell, McCarthy and Mike Holmgrun did it in 5, and Holmgrun had to compete with Dallas and SF to get theirs.

This team is heading in the right direction. Except the two most important positions, positions that the gm purposefully shortchanged with talent.

Look, I hate cassel, but are you really going to tell me that with him back along with berry, moeaki, and Charles that this team isn't going to be a contender next year? Now... Imagine if we had drew brees. Hell, even Trent dilfer.

[Hammock Parties]

Your whole argument is null and void, zilla.

Find me a coach who got blown out 15 times in three seasons (who wasn't heading an expansion franchise) who went on to great things.

Just one, and I'll shut up forever.

[jd1020]

How does someone purposefully do something when they have no other options?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

We hope Haley is fired, but can we realistically expect that?

[dirk digler]

Look, I hate cassel, but are you really going to tell me that with him back along with berry, moeaki, and Charles that this team isn't going to be a contender next year?

No they won't.

[Hammock Parties]

This team is heading in the right direction.

Getting blown out 5 times a year is the right direction?

[WhiteWhale]

Your whole argument is null and void, zilla.

Find me a coach who got blown out 15 times in three seasons (who wasn't heading an expansion franchise) who went on to great things.

Just one, and I'll shut up forever.

Tell me how many coaches go 15+ years in one job without winning a championship and then go on to great success at their next job.

Just one, and I'll shut up forever.

[BigMeatballDave]

We hope Haley is fired, but can we realistically expect that?I dont. And if he is, I fear Piolison is gonna hire McDumbass, Mangina, or promote Crennel.

[Hammock Parties]

We hope Haley is fired, but can we realistically expect that?

Yes. He's gone. The Hunts aren't morons. There's a lot of money at stake here.

[O.city]

I don't like going thru coaching changes as you have to change philosophies and that takes time but it's pretty obvious.

I'd like to see what Haley could do with a competent qb, but he kinda dug his own grave with the Palko situation.

[Hammock Parties]

Tell me how many coaches go 15+ years in one job without winning a championship and then go on to great success at their next job.

Just one, and I'll shut up forever.

OK, that's fine. You don't want to hire Fisher because of that, go ahead.

I just want Haley fired.

[NJChiefsFan]

OK, that's fine. You don't want to hire Fisher because of that, go ahead.

I just want Haley fired.

I just don't think Fisher will go to a place where he doesn't have player control.

[Brock]

This team is heading in the right direction.

LMAO

[dirk digler]

Yes. He's gone. The Hunts aren't morons. There's a lot of money at stake here.

Yeah they are

[notorious]

This team is heading in the right direction. Except the two most important positions, positions that the gm purposefully shortchanged with talent.

Look, I hate cassel, but are you really going to tell me that with him back along with berry, moeaki, and Charles that this team isn't going to be a contender next year? Now... Imagine if we had drew brees. Hell, even Trent dilfer.

SB contender: No.

[WhiteWhale]

OK, that's fine. You don't want to hire Fisher because of that, go ahead.

I just want Haley fired.

I'm not fighting for Haley. The Tyler Palko experience has driven me to pure apathy about his future in KC.

I just don't want a conservative retread like Fisher. Haley has been conservative enough for me.

[Brock]

I just don't think Fisher will go to a place where he doesn't have player control.

Shit. Fisher isn't going to have his choice of jobs.

[notorious]

All that Haley has to do to get my support again is play our future backup QB, Stanzi. By showing us that he is not very good we can finally put 80% of the blame on Pioli for completely fucking up the QB situation.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah they are

If they were morons they wouldn't have fired Carl so quickly after Lamar's death.

[NJChiefsFan]

Shit. Fisher isn't going to have his choice of jobs.

Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see him forcing himself into a spot. I think he would rather not coach than be stuck under a GM. That theory of course is not based off of much since I obviously don't know him.

[Brock]

Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see him forcing himself into a spot. I think he would rather not coach than be stuck under a GM. That theory of course is not based off of much since I obviously don't know him.

He will always be stuck under a GM. He hasn't earned any better than that.

[milkman]

Fisher had a few top 10 passing offenses when McNair was his QB.

He also hired Mike Heimerdinger because he wanted to throw the ball more.

Where was Marty's offense rated in his last year with Brees and with Rivers.

And Marty fired Joe Pendry and hired Paul Hackett because he wanted a more explosive offense.

The difference between Marty and Jeff was McNair, but both went into shells in the playoffs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Your whole argument is null and void, zilla.

Find me a coach who got blown out 15 times in three seasons (who wasn't heading an expansion franchise) who went on to great things.

Just one, and I'll shut up forever.

If I had to take a few guesses without looking it up...
Dick vermeil
Tom coughlin
Mike shanahan
Hell, these guys weren't even first time coaches.

[NJChiefsFan]

He will always be stuck under a GM. He hasn't earned any better than that.

Didn't McDaniels get that? If an owner falls in love with him I am sure he could get it. Not saying he will, I just doubt he coaches for a team with a strong GM.

[Brock]

Didn't McDaniels get that? If an owner falls in love with him I am sure he could get it. Not saying he will, I just doubt he coaches for a team with a strong GM.

I have no idea what you're basing this on.

[chiefzilla1501]

SB contender: No.

You're telling me that drew brees doesn't turn this team into a super bowl contender? A good chunk of those coaches had elite qb.

[Hammock Parties]

If I had to take a few guesses without looking it up...
Dick vermeil
Tom coughlin
Mike shanahan
Hell, these guys weren't even first time coaches.

LMAOLMAO

Look it up, then get back to me.

Tom Coughlin headed an expansion franchise, so that doesn't count, in the unlikely event it actually happened.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Is there any evidence pointing to the firing of Haley?

[notorious]

Didn't McDaniels get that? If an owner falls in love with him I am sure he could get it. Not saying he will, I just doubt he coaches for a team with a strong GM.

That is why Pioli and Bellichick worked well together. Bill respected Pioli enough to listen to him when he said "No".


McDaniels fucked up the draft pretty bad, but how bad was his game day coaching?

[NJChiefsFan]

I have no idea what you're basing this on.

Just his tenure in the league and the love some fans/teams probably will have for him. If McDaniels got player control is it really insane to think Fisher could.

As I said I am not exactly basing it on facts, as often happens on boards, its an opinion. He has been around, and I am just thinking that he will let jobs pass and enjoy his time off unless the right job comes up.

[WhiteWhale]

If I had to take a few guesses without looking it up...
Dick vermeil
Tom coughlin
Mike shanahan
Hell, these guys weren't even first time coaches.


Coughlin was in Jax for 8 seasons, and he was a good coach there imo. He shouldn't have been fired.

Vermeil only coached the Eagles for five seasons.

Shanahan didn't even make it two seasons in Oakland.

[notorious]

LMAOLMAO

Look it up, then get back to me.

Tom Coughlin headed an expansion franchise, so that doesn't count, in the unlikely event it actually happened.

He was talking about the second chance stints for the coaches.

[crossbow]

Al Saunders

He is always in control and is a players coach. He would get the offense back on track.

[dirk digler]

If they were morons they wouldn't have fired Carl so quickly after Lamar's death.

So quickly? It was like 2 years.

If they weren't morons we would have won a playoff game in 20 years.

[Titty Meat]

KC will be the best head coaching job available.

[Hammock Parties]

He was talking about the second chance stints for the coaches.

No, we're talking about coaches who got destroyed like Haley has been the last three seasons.

I'm sure it's an indicator of future greatness.

[Hammock Parties]

So quickly? It was like 2 years.

If they weren't morons we would have won a playoff game in 20 years.

Hunt took over in 2007 and fired Carl after 2008. That's pretty quick. They dumped Carl and Herm at the first chance.

I don't have a problem with what Clark is doing so far. We've spent a lot of money on resigning players the last two seasons. We're not the Bills.

[notorious]

No, we're talking about coaches who got destroyed like Haley has been the last three seasons.

I'm sure it's an indicator of future greatness.



Oh, I thought we were talking about coaches that were successful their second or third time around.

[milkman]

Al Saunders

He is always in control and is a players coach. He would get the offense back on track.

You mean like he did in Washington?

[chiefzilla1501]

No, we're talking about coaches who got destroyed like Haley has been the last three seasons.

I'm sure it's an indicator of future greatness.

In those blowouts, how many can you point to the qb blowing open passes as the primary reason our offense fell behind? Was it bad play calling? Or an inept qb?

[dirk digler]

Hunt took over in 2007 and fired Carl after 2008. That's pretty quick. They dumped Carl and Herm at the first chance.

I don't have a problem with what Clark is doing so far. We've spent a lot of money on resigning players the last two seasons. We're not the Bills.

Not quick enough. 3 seasons either last or next to last in spending against the cap with 2 dozen holes in this team. They have a done a wonderful job.

But hey they can charge $27 to park and $10 for beer.

[O.city]

In those blowouts, how many can you point to the qb blowing open passes as the primary reason our offense fell behind? Was it bad play calling? Or an inept qb?

Both.

[Okie_Apparition]

My guesses
Haley, Andy Ried or a chia pet like Jim Caldwell from NE staff

[O.city]

Not quick enough. 3 seasons either last or next to last in spending against the cap with 2 dozen holes in this team. They have a done a wonderful job.

But hey they can charge $27 to park and $10 for beer.

I don't like alot of things about hte Chiefs right now but who would you have liked them to throw money at as a free agent in the past couple years?


They made a decision to build thru the draft. Which comes with low spending. Now that these guys are playing better the money they have been making will hopefully be spent to lock up home grown talent.

I'm not gonna bitch about them not going out and signing all these overpaid free agents. We have seen where that has gotten us.

In the end, we lost two of our biggest playmakers to start the year, a solid TE, and as bad as he is our starting qb. The biggest problem with this team isnt't that they aren't spending money. It's that they haven't addressed the biggest need of this team.

There won't be a SB won by a team without a franchise qb from now on. So we gotta get one. It's not all doom and gloom as it seems right now. Get rid of haley, keep Haley, doesn't really matter.

Until we make the move that should have been made a dozen or more times int he last 40 years and get a franchise qb it doesn't matter what we do.

[Hammock Parties]

Not quick enough. 3 seasons either last or next to last in spending against the cap with 2 dozen holes in this team. They have a done a wonderful job.

But hey they can charge $27 to park and $10 for beer.

Every NFL team does that, and the Chiefs are a bargain compared to a lot of places.

Firing Carl and Herm after 2007 would have been fun, but premature. You aren't gonna find a lot of owners who can their brass after one losing season.

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

[O.city]

Good post Clay.

[Titty Meat]

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

25% of the league were free agents last year. Take your pick.

[WhiteWhale]

Every NFL team does that, and the Chiefs are a bargain compared to a lot of places.

Firing Carl and Herm after 2007 would have been fun, but premature. You aren't gonna find a lot of owners who can their brass after one losing season.

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

I bring this up often.

What should we have done to 'spend more money'? Over pay our rookies? Overpay veterans?

A lot of our roster are guys on their first contract. Fans seem happy about how young the team is, but don't want to accept that young teams are generally a lot CHEAPER than veteran teams.

The thing about young teams that are built properly is that eventually you'll fill that space up when they get their 2nd contracts.

We've extended DJ, Hali, Charles... I mean it's not like talented players are walking away because we're being tight with money.

[Deberg_1990]

Not quick enough. 3 seasons either last or next to last in spending against the cap with 2 dozen holes in this team. They have a done a wonderful job.

But hey they can charge $27 to park and $10 for beer.

They dont have 2 dozen holes, and even playoff teams have holes. Having a top tier QB disguises alot of holes. The Chiefs two biggest problems are QB and Head Coach.

[O.city]

25% of the league were free agents last year. Take your pick.

What free agents actually left their original team that we could have signed and made us that much better?

And you can't go out and say "a safety or a rb or a te". Why would you throw money at positions with young up and coming players who you didn't know were going down for the season?

With a healthy Berry and Charles we probably win 3 or 4 more games this year than we will without them, further adding to the years we don't draft a franchise qb.

[The Bad Guy]

Promote Crennel and bring in Singletary as DC.

Or anyone besides Cowher.

The absolute fucking worst idea in this thread.

[NJChiefsFan]

I would have liked to sign some backups, but as much $ as KC has/had you need to make sure you have money free for your own guys that are going to become FA this offseason.

If you sign a bunch of backups to 3 year deals it eats away at your money. We aren't going to have 20 million left after we sign Bowe and Carr.

[jd1020]

I would have liked to sign some backups, but as much $ as KC has/had you need to make sure you have money free for your own guys that are going to become FA this offseason.

If you sign a bunch of backups to 3 year deals it eats away at your money. We aren't going to have 20 million left after we sign Bowe and Carr.

We'll have like 15mil. Not counting people who wont be back.

Assuming we sign both of them.

For some reason I have a feeling Carr wont be wearing a Chiefs jersey next season.

[crossbow]

You mean like he did in Washington?

No, like he did here.

He has a positive approach and has been in the league long enough to know what to do. I just think a young team would respond to him.

[dirk digler]

Every NFL team does that, and the Chiefs are a bargain compared to a lot of places.

Firing Carl and Herm after 2007 would have been fun, but premature. You aren't gonna find a lot of owners who can their brass after one losing season.

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

Carl had been around longer than 1 losing season but I understand your point none the less.

[RealSNR]

I wonder if an old X's and O's dinosaur isn't what this team needs.

Between Herm and Haley, these players have had their share of shitty "motivational" and "inspiring" coaches.

[Marcellus]

I bring this up often.

What should we have done to 'spend more money'? Over pay our rookies? Overpay veterans?

A lot of our roster are guys on their first contract. Fans seem happy about how young the team is, but don't want to accept that young teams are generally a lot CHEAPER than veteran teams.

The thing about young teams that are built properly is that eventually you'll fill that space up when they get their 2nd contracts.

We've extended DJ, Hali, Charles... I mean it's not like talented players are walking away because we're being tight with money.

Clark just paid $2MM for a QB who may never see the field after 1 play.

I have said it before and will say it a million times if necessary.

It's not about what you spend it's about how you spend it.

See Tyson Jackson, Thomas Jones, LeRon McLain, Matt Cassel, etc.....

Dumb money not smart money.

[O.city]

I might get trashed for this but Jackson has played pretty well of late. Not for the money he gets but is actually really coming on this year.

Jones and McClain are getting peanuts really.

Cassel on the other hand.

[Extra Point]

Chuckie.

[jd1020]

I might get trashed for this but Jackson has played pretty well of late. Not for the money he gets but is actually really coming on this year.

Jones and McClain are getting peanuts really.

Cassel on the other hand.

Jones and McClain deserve peanuts.

Cassel deserves to be cut.

[O.city]

Jones and McClain deserve peanuts.

Cassel deserves to be cut.

Couldn't agree more jd.

Sadly we probably know how this story ends.

[chiefzilla1501]

Jones and McClain deserve peanuts.

Cassel deserves to be cut.

I don't have a problem with McClain. It's not like he has anybody good worth blocking for.

[Extra Point]

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

BESIDES THE ONE IN YOUR SIG.

[RealSNR]

I might get trashed for this but Jackson has played pretty well of late. Not for the money he gets but is actually really coming on this year.

Jones and McClain are getting peanuts really.

Cassel on the other hand.I agree. From what I've seen he's played better than Dorsey this year, even.

[jd1020]

I don't have a problem with McClain. It's not like he has anybody good worth blocking for.

What has McClain done besides fumble the ball in the EZ?

[okcchief]

Any coach that hates the QBs on or roster and whose first order of business is doing whatever it takes to draft one.

[NJChiefsFan]

Any coach that hates the QBs on or roster and whose first order of business is doing whatever it takes to draft one.

Thats the truth. They could hire an 8 year old girl off the street, if she came in and said that, I would give her a chance.

[chiefzilla1501]

What has McClain done besides fumble the ball in the EZ?

McClain is fine as a blocker. We don't have very good talent at the RB position, but we've managed to have a surprisingly, relatively productive running game. Especially given that it's the only thing that defenses might actually care about stopping.

There's only so much you can do for a power running game when the entire defense is stacked up to stop everything 20 yards in.

[Chief Roundup]

I just don't know.
I want to say Haley. I don't want to become one of these teams that every 3 years we are turning over most of the staff. Haley is a rookie. He is still learning. He is still trying new things. He was hired late. Which hampered his ability on a few levels, hiring a better staff, time for evaluation, etc. for his first year. The front office hasn't done everything they could of done to help him. How much under the cap are we? No real offseason. Injuries this year. It is hard to win when you are missing your best defensive player, Berry, best offensive player, Charles, and Moeaki. Out of 3 years he has had only one season of normality. If we keep him we should give him a 2 yr extension so that he is not lame duck.
The injuries are a wild card to me.
It is hard to imagine that Charles, Berry, Moeaki come back 100% pre-injury. I read an article posted on here somewhere where they only get back about 70% of what they were pre-injury. With Charles' jump cut style of running that could end his career. Being a safety Berry might be able to get away with losing a little. I like Moeaki but I am not sure how much he can lose and still be a viable option.
If we are going to have to replace 2 of our best players, along with Moeaki. It is tempting to go ahead and replace Haley now, instead of giving him another year knowing that a new coach will turn over a certain amount of the roster anyway.

[Hammock Parties]

Haley is a rookie. He is still learning. He is still trying new things.

The fuck he is.

This is his third year on the job.

Stop making excuses for these inept, overpaid shit dicks.

[Dylan]

I've been doing some research on coaches. Personally, I think the Giants are best with a defensive head coach.

The Packers keep rising and as will that of its staff -- But haven't done the research at this time.

The most most intriguing so far:
Chuck Pagano Defensive Coordinator Baltimore Ravens
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Chuck_Pagano.aspx

Andy Moeller Offensive Line Coach Baltimore Ravens
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Andy_Moeller.aspx

John Michell Asst Head Coach/Defensive Line Pittsburgh Steelers
http://www.steelers.com/team/coaches/john-mitchell/d005c612-5385-435e-96f3-0b589c780887

Keith Butler Linebackers Coach Steelers
http://www.steelers.com/team/coaches/keith-butler/086430f2-c1eb-446d-b74b-64edfc5bf796

Pete Carmichael, Jr. Offensive Coodinator New Orleans Saints
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches/pete-carmichael-jr/79017a40-0318-4adc-8699-0920a7aaaed3

Greg Roman Offensive Coordinator San Francisco 49ers
http://www.49ers.com/team/coaches/greg-roman/d5446825-2178-4237-ab3d-f3fca703dfd2


I'm not sure if the game has passed Cowher by. I don't like Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden -- Well, maybe if Cowher was head coach, and Fisher & Gruden was his coordinators ... crazy thinking ...

[Urc Burry]

Anyone know what our cap space looks like next year? I know we still have like 20+ mil this season, but it seems like we always front load our contracts and it should be even higher next year.

Rumors floating around that Carl Nicks the All Pro guard from the saints will hit the market. That would solidify our line outside of RT.

[Hammock Parties]

I've been doing some research on coaches. Personally, I think the Giants are best with a defensive head coach.

The Packers keep rising and as will that of its staff -- But haven't done the research at this time.

My picks so far:
Chuck Pagano Defensive Coordinator Baltimore Ravens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Pagano

Andy Moeller Offensive Line Coach Baltimore Ravens
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Andy_Moeller.aspx

John Michell Asst Head Coach/Defensive Line Pittsburgh Steelers
http://www.steelers.com/team/coaches/john-mitchell/d005c612-5385-435e-96f3-0b589c780887

Keith Butler Linebackers Coach Steelers
http://www.steelers.com/team/coaches/keith-butler/086430f2-c1eb-446d-b74b-64edfc5bf796

Pete Carmichael, Jr. Offensive Coodinator New Orleans Saints
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches/pete-carmichael-jr/79017a40-0318-4adc-8699-0920a7aaaed3

Greg Roman Offensive Coordinator San Francisco 49ers
http://www.49ers.com/team/coaches/greg-roman/d5446825-2178-4237-ab3d-f3fca703dfd2


I'm not sure if the game has passed Cowher by. I don't like Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden -- Well, maybe if Cowher was head coach, and Fisher & Gruden was his coordinators ... lol


You weigh at least 185 lbs.

[Chief Roundup]

As far as the spending, I don't see what players we have missed out on.

I don't know but surely there was a RT and some depth here or there.

[jd1020]

I don't know but surely there was a RT and some depth here or there.

There was. Haley refused to play him.

[Chief Roundup]

There was. Haley refused to play him.

Gaither?

[chiefzilla1501]

There was. Haley refused to play him.

The Ravens, a pretty good team at evaluating talent, could have signed him for peanuts. They refused. And other than Oher, it's not like the Ravens have a lot of depth at Tackle and it's not like Gaither got some big contract. He went to the Chiefs for peanuts. Talk to any Ravens' fan. Nobody there likes him. They say he milked injuries and was too lazy to come into camp in football shape.

Yet another example of people making a mountain out of a mohill.

[jd1020]

The Ravens, a pretty good team at evaluating talent, could have signed him for peanuts. They refused. And other than Oher, it's not like the Ravens have a lot of depth at Tackle and it's not like Gaither got some big contract. He went to the Chiefs for peanuts. Talk to any Ravens' fan. Nobody there likes him. They say he milked injuries and was too lazy to come into camp in football shape.

Yet another example of people making a mountain out of a mohill.

All I know is that ever since he signed in SD, Rivers has gone back to being Rivers.

[chiefzilla1501]

All I know is that ever since he signed in SD, Rivers has gone back to being Rivers.

I don't know how much I trust the Chiefs' personnel evaluation process, but I sure trust the Ravens'. And given that no team signed him to a long-term contract, most teams weren't impressed either.

Maybe he does well in San Diego. But this is another example of a player no team was high on. Even if Gaither has a great season and shows up to camp next year in horrible football shape, it's not worth keeping those kinds of guys around. It sounds to me like he's got a world of potential, but throughout his college and pro careers has shown no motivation whatsoever to do anything with it.

[Dylan]

Omega, what do you mean?

Girls can't be overweight in this city -- you go to bed hungry -- It's ok. I'm used to it.

I don't want to eat & purge, now -- drink a lot of water, it fills you up.

[jd1020]

Omega, what do you mean?

Girls can't be overweight in this city -- you go to bed hungry -- It's ok.

I don't want to eat & purge -- drink a lot of water, it fills you up.

Maybe you are just really tall.

[mnchiefsguy]

The Ravens, a pretty good team at evaluating talent, could have signed him for peanuts. They refused. And other than Oher, it's not like the Ravens have a lot of depth at Tackle and it's not like Gaither got some big contract. He went to the Chiefs for peanuts. Talk to any Ravens' fan. Nobody there likes him. They say he milked injuries and was too lazy to come into camp in football shape.

Yet another example of people making a mountain out of a mohill.

Except the problem with your molehill is that Gaither went to San Diego, and less than a week later he was on the field looking much better than Barry Richardson has all year. Gaither has not been pro bowl quality for San Diego, but he has been serviceable, which tells me he should have been on the field more here, and Richardson should have been riding the bench.

[Chief Roundup]

Except the problem with your molehill is that Gaither went to San Diego, and less than a week later he was on the field looking much better than Barry Richardson has all year. Gaither has not been pro bowl quality for San Diego, but he has been serviceable, which tells me he should have been on the field more here, and Richardson should have been riding the bench.

Gaither is a LT not a RT and the positions are the complete opposite. Just because Gaither can be an adequate LT doesn't mean he can be that at RT.

[chiefzilla1501]

Except the problem with your molehill is that Gaither went to San Diego, and less than a week later he was on the field looking much better than Barry Richardson has all year. Gaither has not been pro bowl quality for San Diego, but he has been serviceable, which tells me he should have been on the field more here, and Richardson should have been riding the bench.

If the scouting reports are true, then you can't expect that kind of an effort to last very long. First of all, we're making an enormous leap to say that he's going to be a very good RT just because he's seeing success on the left side.

I don't believe either Richardson or Gaither are long-term guys I'd want to invest a bunch of my time on. So again, semantics. Some short-term gain. All I know is that a very good team that saw a lot of promise on him told him to hit the road before we swooped him up for the price of peanuts.

[Hammock Parties]

Omega, what do you mean?

Girls can't be overweight in this city -- you go to bed hungry -- It's ok. I'm used to it.

I don't want to eat & purge, now -- drink a lot of water, it fills you up.

I mean thin, attractive women don't sit on the internet researching football coaches.

[BigMeatballDave]

You weigh at least 185 lbs.

Wtf is your problem? What does this have to do with anything?

[mcan]

I've been clamoring for us to give Al Saunders a shot, finally. His Washington stint was hampered by Mark Brunell not giving a shit about the details and nuances of the offens. Hell they actually played better when Collins took over for awhile.

Anyway, the guy knows his shit. He's like the Tesla of NFL offense, and if we really wanted a "patriot way" we might think for a moment about hiring a freaking xs and os dude who isn't concerned about looking cool or putting on a dog and pony show. Just has a philosophy and a system, and plugs the best possible pieces in. We have young talent now, and I really think Al could get us where we need to be. Also, I'm scared that the Raiders are about to get CRAZY good once they have a whole offseason to get a competent QB familiar with his system.

[htismaqe]

Except the problem with your molehill is that Gaither went to San Diego, and less than a week later he was on the field looking much better than Barry Richardson has all year. Gaither has not been pro bowl quality for San Diego, but he has been serviceable, which tells me he should have been on the field more here, and Richardson should have been riding the bench.

I guess I'll just start copying and pasting this until somebody realizes the weight of this argument.

Gaither has YET to play RIGHT tackle well for anybody. I heard two national talking heads say he's not a RT and the Ravens were convinced of it.

So saying he's a better player than Richardson is irrelevant. Is he a better player than Brandon Albert?

[Bill Lundberg]

Ferentz was reportedly in KC on Dec. 9th and 10th.