ANOTHER dropped TD pass by Bowe

[Molitoth]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

[Simply Red]

oh well - Arenas

[ModSocks]

Elite? Probably not. But he's still a really good WR. The bar for "Elite" is very high. There are some great WR's in the league right now

[Saul Good]

LOUD NOISES

[FloridaMan88]

Elite? Probably not. But he's still a really good WR. The bar for "Elite" is very high. There are some great WR's in the league right now

Bowe will want to get paid like an elite WR this offseason.

[Mr. Laz]

If Bowe catch passes with his hands instead of trying to cradle catch everything, he doesn't drop either pass and we have touchdown. The interception doesn't happen.

in other news, we need a new special teams coach. Our ST's haven't been worth a shit all year..

[milkman]

His arm was pulled while tha was still in the air just be fore it hit his hands.

Should have been a PI.

[FloridaMan88]

His arm was pulled while tha was still in the air just be fore it hit his hands.

Should have been a PI.

"Elite WR's" make catches like that.

It hit him right in the hands.

[-King-]

1000 yards with Cassel, Palko, and Orton for a game and a half. If he's not elite, he's literally on the cusp.

[Extra Point]

He bet the back field ump he could snag a TD pass with one hand tied around his back. Last wager with that guy.

[milkman]

"Elite WR's" make catches like that.

It hit him right in the hands.

I didn't say he was elite, you dumbass.

[Rasputin]

"Elite" or not, I am glad D Bowe is a Chief.

[KCChiefsMan]

Hes the best WR we've had in a long time

[Mr. Laz]

Bowe's elbow barely moved on the endzone play

Bowe just dropped it

He had both arms trying to 'cradle' the catch instead of reaching out and catching it with his hands.

Bowe rarely catches anything with his hands.

Can you really be a stud receiver when you don't catch passes with your hands?

[Kraus]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

He's still better than 80% of WR's in this league. I hope he isn't going anywhere.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Have you ever watched other teams? All "elite" wide receivers drop passes.

[Easy 6]

1000 yards with Cassel, Palko, and Orton for a game and a half.

This alone should make people rethink their arguments against him.

[Phobia]

Have you ever watched other teams? All "elite" wide receivers drop passes.

I've been hot and cold on Bowe over the years. I'm "hot" for him right now but he drops as many balls as anybody in the league. He's top (bottom) two or three in drops along with Jason Whitten. The really elite, pure wide receivers like Fitzgerald don't really drop any.

[whosyou]

Let him walk

[Backwards Masking]

Bowe will never be a Top 10 Reciever (i.e. Elite) for the same exact reason Tony Romo will never be a Top 10 QB - way to much Stupid Shit.

[Backwards Masking]

Let him walk

i wouldnt go that far - but dont give Top 10 Money either. Top 10 receivers don't pull this shit, and certainly not CONSISTENTLY.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

And Choice with a huge drop for Buffalo. Fuck!

[Bowser]

Well, he didn't score there. We're now officially fucked.

[Bowser]

I'll be damned.

[Easy 6]

Didnt drop that one, did he?

[Kraus]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

Go **** yourself.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

Okay

[TheGuardian]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

Idiot.

And so are the rest of you who say he's not elite.

[milkman]

Too bad Bowe isn't elite.

He might have shown up on that last drive.








Wait.......

[Phobia]

Idiot.

And so are the rest of you who say he's not elite.

The only thing that removes him from the upper echelon is the frequent drops. If he eliminates 7 or 8 drops per year he's among the elite.

[TheGuardian]

The only thing that removes him from the upper echelon is the frequent drops. If he eliminates 7 or 8 drops per year he's among the elite.

Even the top WR's have drops. Bowe is generally clutch when it matters.

[Silock]

It would be nice if he didn't have the drops earlier in the games so as not to put us in a position to need to be clutch.

[Mr. Laz]

changes nothing ... everyone knows he can make plays but he also screws up plays.



the problem is between his ears


I would love to keep him but if he wants #1 WR money then i just a soon use him to trade up in the draft.

[Bane]

Shit happens.Ill take the good and the bad with Bowe.

[whoman69]

I'm coming to come around to the fact we should franchise him then package him in a trade to the Rams for their pick. I know I argued against it before, but we need a QB too badly.

[|Zach|]

He is about 5 miles below everything else on the list of problems the Chiefs have.

Actually he isn't on the "problems the Chiefs have" list at all.

[jd1020]

Even the top WR's have drops. Bowe is generally clutch when it matters.

When has it ever mattered we he's been "clutch?"

[Canofbier]

He is about 5 miles below everything else on the list of problems the Chiefs have.

Actually he isn't on the "problems the Chiefs have" list at all.

I agree, but you have to wonder how the outcome of the game would have been different had he made that catch.

[jd1020]

I agree, but you have to wonder how the outcome of the game would have been different had he made that catch.

Well lets see. We go up 10-3, Ortons first INT never happens, likely go on to win the game.

[scho63]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

Agreed 100%-he is a sloppy receiver
:banghead:

I want to believe in him but he is a disappointment

[Phobia]

Even the top WR's have drops. Bowe is generally clutch when it matters.

That's true. But Fitzgerald has had 11 drops in 3 years. Bowe drops 12+ every single year. Bowe is not clutch always clutch when it matters. He personally lost a game recently in which he dropped a ball that would have been a first down in the waning minutes. It would have allowed the Chiefs to assume the victory formation.

[|Zach|]

I agree, but you have to wonder how the outcome of the game would have been different had he made that catch.

I can apply this to a lot of plays...a whole lot of plays.

[Phobia]

I can apply this to a lot of plays...a whole lot of plays.

There is no doubt. But I think the debate in this thread has turned towards whether or not DBowe is elite.

[notorious]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowe walk.

[jd1020]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowe walk.

I would.

Even at avg top 5 pay, Bowe would still net a good return in a trade. I don't see any scenario where he freely walks out the door.

[Fritz88]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowe walk.

Right now, I am okay with nuking the entire team.
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[notorious]

I would.

Even at avg top 5 pay, Bowe would still net a good return in a trade. I don't see any scenario where he freely walks out the door.

My apologies, I should have said,"I won't be surprised if Bowe isn't a Chief next year".

[jd1020]

My apologies, I should have said,"I won't be surprised if Bowe isn't a Chief next year".

I'd be fine with that. Bowe could go a long way to quickly piecing in the holes/depth this team needs.

[notorious]

I'd be fine with that. Bowe could go a long way to quickly piecing in the holes/depth this team needs.

I agree, he is replacable.


I never has been good at getting seperation.

[Easy 6]

Its truly amazing how many people are throwing this guy under the bus.

[gblowfish]

Bowe is Stevie Johnson, but he refuses to chop block.

[JoeyChuckles]

Bowe and two firsts will get us RG3.

Thanks St. Louie.

[jd1020]

Bowe and two firsts will get us RG3.

Thanks St. Louie.

Ya... **** that.

That should be enough to get Luck if the pick was up for grabs.

[-King-]

I agree, he is replacable.


I never has been good at getting seperation.

Yeah he just flukes his way to 1000 yard seasons huh?
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[GloryDayz]

Today's we got Bowe'd yet again! Without a doubt, it was the point where the heart was ripped out of the crowd! He may have moments, but the other moments aren't worth the price. I think it's time to look for a WR who makes more "important" catches.

[notorious]

Yeah he just flukes his way to 1000 yard seasons huh?
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?


How in the flying fuck did you pull that out of my post? :facepalm:

[demonhero]

The real question is how the hell did matt asshole get his yards.

[-King-]

?


How in the flying fuck did you pull that out of my post? :facepalm:

You don't get four 1000 yard seasons of you can't get separation unless you're just the luckiest WR ever.
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[jd1020]

You don't get four 1000 yard seasons of you can't get separation unless you're just the luckiest WR ever.
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Or you are one of the bigger receivers in the league and can out jump the majority of coverages.

[NIUhuskies]

Until we give Bowe a QB who is actually worth a sh1t you can't talk any crap about Bowe! I'll argue that him putting up the stats he has w these clowns throwing to him more than makes him "elite"!

Some of our fans are clearly delirious... Ya lets trade away the best WR we've had in decades so we can start Jeremy Urban or some other idiot in his place. STUPID

[notorious]

You don't get four 1000 yard seasons of you can't get separation unless you're just the luckiest WR ever.
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Did I say he can't get seperation?

Stop, just stop.


He makes his catches off of the DB. He is not the kind of WR that consistantly gets open with good routes, quickness, and speed a.k.a. serperation.

[jd1020]

Until we give Bowe a QB who is actually worth a sh1t you can't talk any crap about Bowe! I'll argue that him putting up the stats he has w these clowns throwing to him more than makes him "elite"!

Some of our fans are clearly delirious... Ya lets trade away the best WR we've had in decades so we can start Jeremy Urban or some other idiot in his place. STUPID

I agree. If it were Brady, and not Cassel/Orton, hitting him in the hands he wouldn't be dropping these balls. :rolleyes:

[Easy 6]

He is not the kind of WR that consistantly gets open with good routes, quickness, and speed a.k.a. serperation.

You've clearly had too much eggnog.

[notorious]

I could be wrong, of course. He might have been getting huge seperation when Cassel was QB, but never got the ball thrown his way while open.

[demonhero]

Hi, I'm Breaston and this is my friend McCluster... we catch the football.

[Fish]

You don't get four 1000 yard seasons of you can't get separation unless you're just the luckiest WR ever.
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Word. Especially with Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle, Matt Cassel, and Kyle Orton all throwing him the ball.

[NIUhuskies]

I agree. If it were Brady, and not Cassel/Orton, hitting him in the hands he wouldn't be dropping these balls. :rolleyes:

Bowe's dropped a few passes but he's still EASILY one of our top play makers the last 5 years. We'd be absolutely stupid to trade him or let him walk. Outside of Otis Taylor he's arguably the best chiefs receiver they've had since. I just don't get why we want to run our best players out the door

[jd1020]

Bowe's dropped a few passes but he's still EASILY one of our top play makers the last 5 years. We'd be absolutely stupid to trade him or let him walk. Outside of Otis Taylor he's arguably the best chiefs receiver they've had since. I just don't get why we want to run our best players out the door

Maybe because he can be replaced by what's already on the roster and he is the only player on the roster that can demand a good return?

[NIUhuskies]

Maybe because he can be replaced by what's already on the roster and he is the only player on the roster that can demand a good return?

No way can he be replaced by what's already on the roster. If you put Baldwin in his place that means we have to start a Copper or Urban. Or even better we can sign some scrub like Lance Long or Kevin Curtis again. No thanks! You've gotta be kidding me man...

[jd1020]

No way can he be replaced by what's already on the roster. If you put Baldwin in his place that means we have to start a Copper or Urban. Or even better we can sign some scrub like Lance Long or Kevin Curtis again. No thanks! You've gotta be kidding me man...

Baldwin would replace Bowe and then some decent mid round WR who can catch the ball can fill in as the rotational WR. While Bowe could bring in multiple picks to grab another highly thought of player at NT/C/G/RT/maybe CB and depth... OH NO! So devastating to this teams future!

[notorious]

Baldwin would replace Bowe

I think you stated what Pioli was thinking during last year's draft........

[Chiefnj2]

Baldwin would replace Bowe ...

Baldwin hasn't done crap except almost make a few highlight catches. Bowe is much better than Baldwin. KC should have taken Torrey Smith.

[jd1020]

Baldwin hasn't done crap except almost make a few highlight catches. Bowe is much better than Baldwin. KC should have taken Torrey Smith.

Baldwin doesn't get as many opportunities because he doesn't get a lot of plays called for him since he's listed as the 3rd WR on the roster...

Baldwin is what Bowe is.

[NIUhuskies]

Baldwin hasn't done crap except almost make a few highlight catches. Bowe is much better than Baldwin. KC should have taken Torrey Smith.

Thank you. What has Baldwin done this year???? Bowe put up almost 1000 yds as a rookie. Ya Baldwin was hurt half this yr and could turn out to be alright but he has t show shit that he is at or above Bowes level

[Dragonocho]

Baldwin hasn't done crap except almost make a few highlight catches. Bowe is much better than Baldwin. KC should have taken Torrey Smith.

Thomas Jones needed a sparring partner. It's all about the right 53.

Also the right 53? Fans renewing season tickets to watch this Pioli crap.

[Molitoth]

The same people arguing Bowe is great because he has 1,000 receiving are most likely the same people that love Matt Cassel because he made the Pro Bowl last year.

I have an idea. Use the eye test people. Stats don't mean much of jack.

[NIUhuskies]

The same people arguing Bowe is great because he has 1,000 receiving are most likely the same people that love Matt Cassel because he made the Pro Bowl last year.

False. I hate Cassel and love Bowe. Like I said in earlier posts, with a REAL QB I think Bowe puts up insane numbers. It's a miracle he's put up the kind of stats he has with Huard, Croyle, Cassel, Palko, Thigpen and Orton throwing him the ball...

[Molitoth]

I want to like Bowe, I really do. He makes some great catches sometimes when the game isn't on the line... he even makes sportscenter sometimes!

But the truth is, he drops way too many important balls.

That's just how it is.

-The Show

[Marcellus]

I want to like Bowe, I really do. He makes some great catches sometimes when the game isn't on the line... he even makes sportscenter sometimes!

But the truth is, he drops way too many important balls.

That's just how it is.

-The Show

Bowe is key to this franchise. Thats just how it is.

[Molitoth]

Bowe is key to this franchise. Thats just how it is.

I'd say whatever QB is drafted in the future is the key to this franchise.
This team can win 6 games without Bowe.

[boogblaster]

he does drop some balls that cost us .. but I like him ......

[BoneKrusher]

sure Bowe has the drops a lot but still he's top 15 in the league, resign him.

[htismaqe]

I want to like Bowe, I really do. He makes some great catches sometimes when the game isn't on the line... he even makes sportscenter sometimes!

But the truth is, he drops way too many important balls.

That's just how it is.

-The Show

He made a couple of HUGE catches WITH the game on the line, including one that probably should have been yet another INT.

[KCBOSS1]

he's really great in moments and really sucky in moments. he's had some big, sucky moments this year.

[DeezNutz]

For two years people went out of their way to make excuses for Cassel, a piece of shit player who showed very little of significance on the field. Meanwhile, people cannot wait to blast Bowe, though he's far and away the most skilled and productive WR that we've had in a very, very long time.

Strange.

Similarly, Herm was the devil, but Haley, who was as inept as any HC in recent memory, still has numerous defenders on this board...

...

[007]

Bowe will want to get paid like an elite WR this offseason.

he doesn't deserve it. Sign Carr first.

[Hammock Parties]

For two years people went out of their way to make excuses for Cassel, a piece of shit player who showed very little of significance on the field. Meanwhile, people cannot wait to blast Bowe, though he's far and away the most skilled and productive WR that we've had in a very, very long time.

Strange.

Similarly, Herm was the devil, but Haley, who was as inept as any HC in recent memory, still has numerous defenders on this board...

...

RACISTS

[DeezNutz]

Sign Carr first.

No thanks. That sack had ANOTHER pass-interference penalty today.

[Titty Meat]

For two years people went out of their way to make excuses for Cassel, a piece of shit player who showed very little of significance on the field. Meanwhile, people cannot wait to blast Bowe, though he's far and away the most skilled and productive WR that we've had in a very, very long time.

Strange.

Similarly, Herm was the devil, but Haley, who was as inept as any HC in recent memory, still has numerous defenders on this board...

...

Bowe is wildly inconsistent it'll be funny if Pioli pays him like a top WR.

[Hammock Parties]

Bowe is wildly inconsistent it'll be funny if Pioli pays him like a top WR.

If we have to overpay to keep him, we do it.

He's too valuable.

About to post back to back 1110+ yard seasons with dogshit QBs throwing him the ball.

[-King-]

I'd say whatever QB is drafted in the future is the key to this franchise.
This team can win 6 games without Bowe.

I seriously doubt it.

[stonedstooge]

Did Baldwin play today?

[jd1020]

Did Baldwin play today?

Yes. Thrown to 1 time.

[Titty Meat]

If we have to overpay to keep him, we do it.

He's too valuable.

About to post back to back 1110+ yard seasons with dogshit QBs throwing him the ball.

How much do you overpay? This is the 2nd year in a row his stone hands have contributed to a defeat to the Raiders. He has as many catches in the playoffs as you or I.

[ChiefsCountry]

Bowe's worth it, pay the man.

And Carr too.

[ChiefsCountry]

How much do you overpay? This is the 2nd year in a row his stone hands have contributed to a defeat to the Raiders. He has as many catches in the playoffs as you or I.

ZERO targets in that game.

[Titty Meat]

ZERO targets in that game.

If true Haley should have been fired last year WTF against that secondary?


I'm not going to go as far to say Bowe should be released or any of that. I just think he's inconsistent and a bit overrated.

[jd1020]

ZERO targets in that game.

Huh?

[ChiefsCountry]

Huh?

Bowe was not targeted to at all during the Baltimore game.

[jd1020]

Bowe was not targeted to at all during the Baltimore game.

Wasn't he lazily running around and locked down the entire game?

[ChiefsCountry]

Wasn't he lazily running around and locked down the entire game?

No, he was wide open but Cassel pissed himself over and over and over. This was all well documented on this board from the playoff game.

[Rasputin]

I like D Bowe, & I like most of the players on this team. It's going be huge for the return of JC & EB, hoping Tony Meoiki can have a full season under his belt. The problem I see it is that doesn't matter with out the team able to grow with a young QB we draft.

All I want to see is a rookie QB take over and be done with rehashed out QBs.

The Chiefs have taken other teams QB trash for decades, other words they are QB trash horders.

[KCBOSS1]

honestly, he looked like he was playing half-hearted about half of the time this year. May have been due to Haley. I'm just so disgusted after today. ridiculous.

[pr_capone]

I'm done with Bowe. I hope they ship his ass to another team in exchange for pick(s). He is a great #2 / borderline #1. He is to the Chiefs as Boldin is to the Ravens. A #2 masquerading as a #1.

A clutch wr pulls in that td pass. The dbowe show jumped the fucking shark.

[KCBOSS1]

I like D Bowe, & I like most of the players on this team. It's going be huge for the return of JC & EB, hoping Tony Meoiki can have a full season under his belt. The problem I see it is that doesn't matter with out the team able to grow with a young QB we draft.

All I want to see is a rookie QB take over and be done with rehashed out QBs.

The Chiefs have taken other teams QB trash for decades, other words they are QB trash horders.

I know we need to get a highly touted quarterback if we can. But It seems like a lot of people have an infatuation with draft picks and rookies. I know that every great quarterback was once a rookie, but even 1st Round QBs are probably 60/40 busts from what I've observed.

[whosyou]

Of course bowe puts up lots of yards, up until last year he was the only legitimate wr we had. he also put up a lot of yards in trash time in games too. breaston and baldwin are good wr and if they both have more targets, they will both see success. bowe has problems making the easy catches and constantly says stupid shit. go ahead THANK THE CLARKS!

[Chiefaholic]

No way in hell do the Chiefs get rid of Bowe unless he's used as trade bait to move up to get Luck. Outside that... PAY THE MAN and stop bitching about one of the few playmakers this team has.

Is there a quality player on the Chiefs that doesn't have a thread calling for their head? Thank GOD people here don't have any say on who's fired. Otherwise, we'de have a bunch of backups with 20 draft picks a season. Not to mention a couple coaching changes per year, a GM every other season, and the Chiefs moved to LA.

[SAUTO]

Bowe's worth it, pay the man.

And Carr too.

This
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[pr_capone]

No way in hell do the Chiefs get rid of Bowe unless he's used as trade bait to move up to get Luck. Outside that... PAY THE MAN and stop bitching about one of the few playmakers this team has.

Is there a quality player on the Chiefs that doesn't have a thread calling for their head? Thank GOD people here don't have any say on who's fired. Otherwise, we'de have a bunch of backups with 20 draft picks a season. Not to mention a couple coaching changes per year, a GM every other season, and the Chiefs moved to LA.

That is the problem. The dude is not a fucking playmaker. A playmaker brings in that td pass in the endzone. He is a lazy piece of shit with a world of talent that he is letting go to waste.

He could be early Randy Moss. Instead, he is Raider Randy Moss.

[Hammock Parties]

That is the problem. The dude is not a fucking playmaker. A playmaker brings in that td pass in the endzone. He is a lazy piece of shit with a world of talent that he is letting go to waste.

He could be early Randy Moss. Instead, he is Raider Randy Moss.

You are overreacting. Are you drunk?

Dude is anything but lazy. And he was a playmaker on the last drive. If the D holds in OT he is being hailed as a hero.

[jd1020]

That is the problem. The dude is not a ****ing playmaker. A playmaker brings in that td pass in the endzone. He is a lazy piece of shit with a world of talent that he is letting go to waste.

He could be early Randy Moss. Instead, he is Raider Randy Moss.

Hoping for Moss when you have Bowe is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[KCBOSS1]

You are overreacting. Are you drunk?

Dude is anything but lazy. And he was a playmaker on the last drive. If the D holds in OT he is being hailed as a hero.

No he's not. He made some good plays only to lay a turd in the end zone. He would be not hero, and this thread would still be here as him almost costing us the game. Win or lose, he layed a turd in the end zone.

[KCBOSS1]

and it's a repeat, repeat situation. He needs to have cranal/rectal surgery

[Chiefaholic]

That is the problem. The dude is not a ****ing playmaker. A playmaker brings in that td pass in the endzone. He is a lazy piece of shit with a world of talent that he is letting go to waste.

He could be early Randy Moss. Instead, he is Raider Randy Moss.

Who does that leave us for the #1 guy at WR then. Breaston is a slot WR, Baldwin is an unproven rookie with a reasonable upside, and Bowe is the ONLY damn guy on the team who we know what we'll get out of him on a weekly basis. The last thing we need if we draft a rookie and start him is even less offensive weapons at his disposal.

[pr_capone]

You are overreacting. Are you drunk?

Dude is anything but lazy. And he was a playmaker on the last drive. If the D holds in OT he is being hailed as a hero.

I am neither drunk nor overreacting (IMO). I am sick of his stupid ass dropping balls. While dbowe played well that last drive... Dex would have been the hero. Not Bowe.

If he holds on to that td... we don't have to go to ot at all and would be making plans to ruin Denver and win the afc west.

Bowe is the anti-clutch. He will make a ridiculous circus catch when the game is out of hand but shits the bed when shit is on the line. Then he wants to do that little faggot ass celebration where he puts the team on his back.

Fuck Bowe. Trade him for picks to move up for a qb and let the similarly built wr Baldwin fill his place.

[Titty Meat]

That is the problem. The dude is not a ****ing playmaker. A playmaker brings in that td pass in the endzone. He is a lazy piece of shit with a world of talent that he is letting go to waste.

He could be early Randy Moss. Instead, he is Raider Randy Moss.

That might be going a little too far. He made plays down the stretch it's the one he blew earlier that was so costly.

[mlyonsd]

A different OC might decide whether he's an elite WR.

[htismaqe]

That might be going a little too far. He made plays down the stretch it's the one he blew earlier that was so costly.

If it weren't for Bowe's clutch catch over the middle on the last drive of regulation, the regular period would have ended with an Orton INT.

[GloryDayz]

I'm done with Bowe. I hope they ship his ass to another team in exchange for pick(s). He is a great #2 / borderline #1. He is to the Chiefs as Boldin is to the Ravens. A #2 masquerading as a #1.

A clutch wr pulls in that td pass. The dbowe show jumped the ****ing shark.

I was there with you man... And that play crushed the will of this team. Should it have? No! But it did!!

[stonedstooge]

He's got the body of an elite receiver, but seems to have trouble finding the mind of an elite receiver

[jd1020]

If it weren't for Bowe's clutch catch over the middle on the last drive of regulation, the regular period would have ended with an Orton INT.

We wouldn't have been pushing the ball downfield in an attempt to win the game on the final drive if Bowe catches the ball in the EZ.

[kcxiv]

The same people arguing Bowe is great because he has 1,000 receiving are most likely the same people that love Matt Cassel because he made the Pro Bowl last year.

I have an idea. Use the eye test people. Stats don't mean much of jack.

ok, he's not great, but he's still good and im ok with that. He's still an asset and if we lose him, then who do we have? breaston? We havent seen much of Baldwin outside of one touch down catch that was amazing.

[ChiefsCountry]

We wouldn't have been pushing the ball downfield in an attempt to win the game on the final drive if Bowe catches the ball in the EZ.

Or we would have lost if the Raiders hadn't false started on the fake field goal. Lots of ifs in this game.

[kcxiv]

I'm done with Bowe. I hope they ship his ass to another team in exchange for pick(s). He is a great #2 / borderline #1. He is to the Chiefs as Boldin is to the Ravens. A #2 masquerading as a #1.

A clutch wr pulls in that td pass. The dbowe show jumped the ****ing shark.

So, if we lose our #2 and have 2 number 3's? yeah, thats fucking smart.

That sounds like a damned fine plan!!!!!!!! Lets take our talented young players and just trade them away to make it even harder on the team!!

Fucking think.

[Hammock Parties]

Fuck Bowe. Trade him for picks to move up for a qb and let the similarly built wr Baldwin fill his place.

I actually agree that trading Bowe for picks in order to get a QB would be worth it.

But anything else is NOT worth it.

He has been the most consistent player on this offense four of the last five years.

[jd1020]

Or we would have lost if the Raiders hadn't false started on the fake field goal. Lots of ifs in this game.

They didn't false start?

[kcxiv]

Or we would have lost if the Raiders hadn't false started on the fake field goal. Lots of ifs in this game.

They didnt false start. It was a delay of game. The play NEVER happened.

[pr_capone]

So, if we lose our #2 and have 2 number 3's? yeah, thats ****ing smart.

That sounds like a damned fine plan!!!!!!!! Lets take our talented young players and just trade them away to make it even harder on the team!!

****ing think.

Talent means nothing if the guy isn't capable of tapping into it consistently. Having someone with Bowe's talent but his inability to play up to it on is like fucking the hottest chick at fat camp.

I believe we would be just fine at wrong with Baldwin, Breaston, and Moeaki. Bring in another wr via draft or FA (DeSean Jackson mayhaps) and we don't skip a beat.

[Chiefaholic]

I actually agree that trading Bowe for picks in order to get a QB would be worth it.

But anything else is NOT worth it.

He has been the most consistent player on this offense four of the last five years.

If said QB isn't Luck, then I'm not in favor of using Bowe as trade bait.

[kcxiv]

Talent means nothing if the guy isn't capable of tapping into it consistently. Having someone with Bowe's talent but his inability to play up to it on is like ****ing the hottest chick at fat camp.

I believe we would be just fine at wrong with Baldwin, Breaston, and Moeaki. Bring in another wr via draft or FA (DeSean Jackson mayhaps) and we don't skip a beat.

DeSean isnt going a fucking place. Baldwin hasnt shown fucking much outside of one catch and another he should have caught but dropped it as well. Breaston has no business being a starter, he's a 3rd.


You dont just fucking let him go. Not right now. Its stupid too, You're not going to get anyone of equal value, its not going to happen. You dont make your team worse.

[Hammock Parties]

Talent means nothing if the guy isn't capable of tapping into it consistently.

He's going to have back to back 1100+ yard seasons, but that's not consistent enough for you?

He has played with shit QBs. He is not going to have 1500 yard seasons, sorry.

[kcxiv]

He's going to have back to back 1100+ yard seasons, but that's not consistent enough for you?

He has played with shit QBs. He is not going to have 1500 yard seasons, sorry.

He's just upset right now, if he wants to put the blame on anyone, its the fucking short yardage running offense. If we had a Oline that could push a fucking line none of this would even be brought up at all. Weigman and Lilja are shit in the power running game.

[jd1020]

He's just upset right now, if he wants to put the blame on anyone, its the ****ing short yardage running offense. If we had a Oline that could push a ****ing line none of this would even be brought up at all. Weigman and Lilja are shit in the power running game.

How does our interior line make Bowe catch balls?

[ChiefsCountry]

If we had a Oline that could push a ****ing line none of this would even be brought up at all. Weigman and Lilja are shit in the power running game.

Weigmann and Lilja are too light.

[kcxiv]

How does our interior line make Bowe catch balls?

Because we should HAVE to throw the ball EVERY Fucking time when we got first and goal inside the 5. They get no push at all. 4th and 1-2 inches, and we stillllll cant convert.

[jd1020]

Because we should HAVE to throw the ball EVERY ****ing time when we got first and goal inside the 5. They get no push at all. 4th and 1-2 inches, and we stillllll cant convert.

I still don't see what that has to do with Bowe dropping a TD pass.

[Titty Meat]

He's going to have back to back 1100+ yard seasons, but that's not consistent enough for you?

He has played with shit QBs. He is not going to have 1500 yard seasons, sorry.

Has he not had some pretty big drops in key situations?

[Hammock Parties]

Has he not had some pretty big drops in key situations?

I guess. He's a good player. We need to keep good players.

[jd1020]

I guess. He's a good player. We need to keep good players.

Does Bowe even want to be here?

If someone offered me a 1st and 3rd for Bowe, I wouldn't hesitate to jump on that.

[Chiefaholic]

How does our interior line make Bowe catch balls?

I'll play along... Let's just franchise Bowe, then trade him for a 3rd round pick. While we're at it, I remember people bitching about trading Derrick Johnson a few years back. Now that he's pretty damn good, let's trade him for a 5th round pick. Jamaal Charles should be healthy next year, surely we can get a second rounder out of him. Tony Moeaki should be healthy next spring, let's hurry and get rid of his ass befor he's hurt again. Given his injury history we should trade him immediately for Mr.Irrelevant. Eric Berry.... pfffft! What if he's not back to his normal self. Why take a chance, let's trade him to a sucker for a 4th rounder while we still can. Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr... Package deal to Green Bay for their first round pick this year.


There, that should do it.. 6 extra picks in this years draft, and a couple of coaching overhauls next year and we're Superbowl bound in 2012. Genius!!![/sarcasm]

[Munson]

Considering all the shit receivers we've had over the last 20 years, I say we need to keep him. Unless some team wants to offer up a 1st round pick and more, I don't see Pioli getting rid of him.

[jd1020]

I'll play along... Let's just franchise Bowe, then trade him for a 3rd round pick. While we're at it, I remember people bitching about trading Derrick Johnson a few years back. Now that he's pretty damn good, let's trade him for a 5th round pick. Jamaal Charles should be healthy next year, surely we can get a second rounder out of him. Tony Moeaki should be healthy next spring, let's hurry and get rid of his ass befor he's hurt again. Given his injury history we should trade him immediately for Mr.Irrelevant. Eric Berry.... pfffft! What if he's not back to his normal self. Why take a chance, let's trade him to a sucker for a 4th rounder while we still can. Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr... Package deal to Green Bay for their first round pick this year.


There, that should do it.. 6 extra picks in this years draft, and a couple of coaching overhauls next year and we're Superbowl bound in 2012. Genius!!![/sarcasm]

You're fucking retarded. No one is saying give Bowe away... retard.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

if it wasnt for Bowe we wouldnt gotten anywhere close to FG range at the end of regulation, but I guess hes lazy

[pr_capone]

Does Bowe even want to be here?

If someone offered me a 1st and 3rd for Bowe, I wouldn't hesitate to jump on that.

In a fucking heartbeat.

[The Bad Guy]

If we let Bowe walk, Pioli should be shot.

It costs us nothing but Clark Hunt's cash to keep him.

Pay the man and have 3 WRs that can play for the next 4 years.

[Hammock Parties]

A 1st and a 3rd is not much.

You'd need the 1st just to replace Bowe.

I'd let him go for a Jared Allen type deal.

[jd1020]

In a ****ing heartbeat.

I'd be dangling him infront of Clevelands nose. They have jack shit for McCoy and 2 firsts.

[jd1020]

A 1st and a 3rd is not much.

You'd need the 1st just to replace Bowe.

I'd let him go for a Jared Allen type deal.

Baldwin would take Bowe's spot... You just need a mid round receiver who can catch a ball to rotate in.

[pr_capone]

if it wasnt for Bowe we wouldnt gotten anywhere close to FG range at the end of regulation, but I guess hes lazy

If it wasn't for Bowe dropping yet ANOTHER pass in a critical situation... kc would not have been in the position to HAVE to move the ball before the end of regulation.

A guy doesn't get to be a hero for making up for his own fuckup.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

If it wasn't for Bowe dropping yet ANOTHER pass in a critical situation... kc would not have been in the position to HAVE to move the ball before the end of regulation.

and did he make Orton throw that pick on the next play too

[Chiefaholic]

You're ****ing retarded. No one is saying give Bowe away... retard.

Not retarded, just tired of the ignorant shit spewed here about getting rid of the few quality pieces of the puzzle necessary to build a legit playoff team. If trading Bowe is a key component in landing Luck, then I'm 100% behind that. But, trading him for a lottery ticket in next years draft...HELL NO!

[jd1020]

and did he make Orton throw that pick on the next play too

I like how people defending Bowe point out a situation that the dropped TD put us in, the interior running game that has nothing to do with Bowe catching the ball, and the QB throwing an INT after Bowe dropped an easy TD.

[jd1020]

Not retarded, just tired of the ignorant shit spewed here about getting rid of the few quality pieces of the puzzle necessary to build a legit playoff team. If trading Bowe is a key component in landing Luck, then I'm 100% behind that. But, trading him for a lottery ticket in next years draft...HELL NO!

You're the only one spewing out ignorant shit like "Bowe for a 3rd."

[pr_capone]

and did he make Orton throw that pick on the next play too

Really? That is your argument? Fuck off. He catches the ball... Orton doesn't throw a pick there. How the hell is that difficult to understand?

[Titty Meat]

I guess. He's a good player. We need to keep good players.

I agree with this but can we stop pretending like this guy is comparable to Larry Fitzgerald?

[kcxiv]

I like how people defending Bowe point out a situation that the dropped TD put us in, the interior running game that has nothing to do with Bowe catching the ball, and the QB throwing an INT after Bowe dropped an easy TD.

We shoudl be able to pound it in like most other teams, we cant. Yes, the Bowe drop SUCKED! Even though the Raider guy had his fucking arm and pulled it. We cannot pound the ball at all. I hate see'ing other teams with inches to go fall forward for 2-3 yards, the Chiefs? lol we lose yards everytime almost on that shit.

But trading Bowe is nonsense unless you have someone as good or better then him. Im not seeing that.

[Hammock Parties]

Baldwin would take Bowe's spot... You just need a mid round receiver who can catch a ball to rotate in.

And Baldwin has shown he can be as good as Bowe at this point, right.

No.

[Hammock Parties]

I agree with this but can we stop pretending like this guy is comparable to Larry Fitzgerald?

He would be if he had a good QB.

[jd1020]

And Baldwin has shown he can be as good as Bowe at this point, right.

No.

He has. He makes catches that Bowe makes. He's bigger than Bowe. The only difference is that Baldwin isn't on the field as much because right now he's #3 behind Bowe and Breaston.

[kcxiv]

Baldwin would take Bowe's spot... You just need a mid round receiver who can catch a ball to rotate in.

How would he take Bowe's spot. What have you seen that makes you think he can do that? i havent seen a fucking thing. He's made 1 omg catch and THATS IT! You dont just do somethign based on a fucking hunch.

[Hammock Parties]

He has. He makes catches that Bowe makes. He's bigger than Bowe. The only difference is that Baldwin isn't on the field as much because right now he's #3 behind Bowe and Breaston.

Baldwin drops one ball for every two catches.

He's got a long way to go before he's close to being as good as Bowe.

[DeezNutz]

We cannot say with any certainty that Baldwin will be an impact WR, let alone as good as Bowe.

[jd1020]

How would he take Bowe's spot. What have you seen that makes you think he can do that? i havent seen a ****ing thing. He's made 1 omg catch and THATS IT! You dont just do somethign based on a ****ing hunch.

Lets ignore all the catches he made in college. Lets ignore the catches he's made in the NFL. Lets ignore that he's bigger than Bowe.

[DeezNutz]

All 17 catches that he's had in the NFL?

[kcxiv]

He has. He makes catches that Bowe makes. He's bigger than Bowe. The only difference is that Baldwin isn't on the field as much because right now he's #3 behind Bowe and Breaston.

No he hasnt. He's made one good catch thats it. He's behind bowe and breaston for a fucking reason. lol

[jd1020]

Baldwin drops one ball for every two catches.

He's got a long way to go before he's close to being as good as Bowe.

I think Baldwin's ceiling is > Bowe's. If/when Baldwin ever see's consistent playing time I think he could easily replace Bowe.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

If Lilja - Wiegmann or richardon are starters next year i will lose all faith in Pioli (not that i have that much to start with)

[jd1020]

No he hasnt. He's made one good catch thats it. He's behind bowe and breaston for a ****ing reason. lol

Ya, and thats because he a rookie. Not because of his talent, dumbass.

[DeezNutz]

Bowe had 70 receptions as a rookie and damn near 1000 yards (995).

[Hammock Parties]

I think Baldwin's ceiling is > Bowe's. .

I agree with this.

That's still no reason to trade Bowe and hand him a starting job.

[kcxiv]

Lets ignore all the catches he made in college. Lets ignore the catches he's made in the NFL. Lets ignore that he's bigger than Bowe.

lol, Really?? thats your argument? Holy Smokes thats a terrible post. Read that shit again man.

[kcxiv]

Ya, and thats because he a rookie. Not because of his talent, dumbass.

Bowe played at a way fucking higher level as a Rookie. Potential doesnt mean a fuckign thing unless it happens. Right now its NOT happened. Your the one thats lookign like a dumbass with your lame ass argument. Bring something better then the shit your trying to put out there.

[Hammock Parties]

People don't even realize how good Bowe really is.

He has played, to date, ONE full season with a QB who started the whole way.

Guess what he did that year.

People defend Dexter McCluster with that Darren Sproles bullshit...well, put Bowe in Green Bay or New Orleans and watch him go off like a nuke.

Stupid bastards.

[jd1020]

Bowe played at a way ****ing higher level as a Rookie. Potential doesnt mean a ****ign thing unless it happens. Right now its NOT happened. Your the one thats lookign like a dumbass with your lame ass argument. Bring something better then the shit your trying to put out there.

Bowe played on a team with no other receivers too. Just stop. You are fucking stupid.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Guys remember look who is throwing them the ball this year.

[jd1020]

People don't even realize how good Bowe really is.

He has played, to date, ONE full season with a QB who started the whole way.

Guess what he did that year.

People defend Dexter McCluster with that Darren Sproles bullshit...well, put Bowe in Green Bay or New Orleans and watch him go off like a nuke.

Stupid bastards.

I have no doubt that a better QB makes Bowe better. Thats what elite QBs do. But Bowe could bring pieces to this team that would make the Chiefs better.

[pr_capone]

People don't even realize how good Bowe really is.

He has played, to date, ONE full season with a QB who started the whole way.

Guess what he did that year.

People defend Dexter McCluster with that Darren Sproles bullshit...well, put Bowe in Green Bay or New Orleans and watch him go off like a nuke.

Stupid bastards.

I would love to see Bowe in GB or NO... what will they give us for him?

Comparing Bowe and Dex is asinine. I expect more out of Bowe because of his draft position and tenure. It is illogical to hold Dex to the same standards as Bowe.

[Hammock Parties]

I would love to see Bowe in GB or NO... what will they give us for him?

Comparing Bowe and Dex is asinine. I expect more out of Bowe because of his draft position and tenure. It is illogical to hold Dex to the same standards as Bowe.

I agree.

It's just dumb that people try and defend McCluster but refuse to apply the same argument to Bowe.

[jd1020]

I agree.

It's just dumb that people try and defend McCluster but refuse to apply the same argument to Bowe.

I defend McCluster, but I don't use the "Sproles" argument. McCluster is improperly used in this offense. A 5'8 170 lb rb/wr running into the interior defense? Really?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Brandon Marshall to the Miami Dolphins for second-round draft picks in 2010 and 2011


That is the bar for WR ask yourself the way pioli picks are those picks better then bowe?

Hell no pay bowe..

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I don't understand those people who don't want to resign Bowe...

It's not like we dont have the $$ to sign him.

Last time I checked, we aren't deep talent-wise at WR....at any position.

[Shogun]

People don't even realize how good Bowe really is.

He has played, to date, ONE full season with a QB who started the whole way.

Guess what he did that year.

People defend Dexter McCluster with that Darren Sproles bullshit...well, put Bowe in Green Bay or New Orleans and watch him go off like a nuke.

Stupid bastards.

fucking this

[Phobia]

I like Bowe. I think he has talent. I think he is a playmaker. I would argue against anybody who claims he is "elite". Like I said, he has to eliminate 7-8 drops a year to be considered amongst the elite WR talent in this league.

[TheGuardian]

Some of you idiots in this thread are absolute ****tards not worth the skin you wear.

I mean this thread is full of some idiotic shit.

Bowe is an elite WR. Period. elite meaning top 5. Routt made a good play on the ball in the endzone. That wasn't a "drop" by Bowe. Corners get paid too. He returned the favor by beating Routt for that end zone grab.

When Terrell Owens was in his prime he routinely was at the top of the league in dropped passes. It doesn't fucking matter. Some guys have lapses but it doesn't take away from the rest of what they do.

Some of you guys have your head shoved side ways up your ****ing assholes.

[-King-]

I would love to see Bowe in GB or NO... what will they give us for him?

Comparing Bowe and Dex is asinine. I expect more out of Bowe because of his draft position and tenure. It is illogical to hold Dex to the same standards as Bowe.

What more should we expect out of him? I don't understand it. He drops slightly more balls than elite WRs. Yet he has had 4(Yeah, I'm counting his 995 yr) 1000 yard seasons and 36 TDs in 5 seasons. What more should we ask of him when he has to deal with average at best QBs? The fact that Orton is the best QB he's had his whole career should tell you how bad it's been for him.

[TheGuardian]

What more should we expect out of him? I don't understand it. He drops slightly more balls than elite WRs. Yet he has had 4(Yeah, I'm counting his 995 yr) 1000 yard seasons and 36 TDs in 5 seasons. What more should we ask of him when he has to deal with average at best QBs? The fact that Orton is the best QB he's had his whole career should tell you how bad it's been for him.

All this.

It's hard to imagine what Bowe would do in New Orleans or Green Bay or New England. The guy puts up the number she does with complete garbage throwing to him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bowe is basically Michael Irvin with a worse QB and no drug problem at this point.

[trndobrd]

Bowe is basically Michael Irvin with a worse QB and no drug problem at this point.

That's not true. I can understand Bowe when he speaks.

[TheGuardian]

Bowe is basically Michael Irvin with a worse QB and no drug problem at this point.

I'd say that's a pretty fair comparison. Actually, pretty right on. Well done.

[pr_capone]

Some of you idiots in this thread are absolute ****tards not worth the skin you wear.

I mean this thread is full of some idiotic shit.

Bowe is an elite WR. Period. elite meaning top 5. Routt made a good play on the ball in the endzone. That wasn't a "drop" by Bowe. Corners get paid too. He returned the favor by beating Routt for that end zone grab.

When Terrell Owens was in his prime he routinely was at the top of the league in dropped passes. It doesn't ****ing matter. Some guys have lapses but it doesn't take away from the rest of what they do.

Some of you guys have your head shoved side ways up your ****ing assholes.


One of the mods should change your uset name to MMA McCloud.

Bowe is not elite. Bowe is 8/10.

Right now I would take the following receivers over Bowe.

Megatron
Fitz
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
Hakeem Nicks

And those were just the first 5 that came to mind. I'm pretty sure I can come up with another 5-7 if pressed.

[Hammock Parties]

Bowe is basically Michael Irvin with a worse QB and no drug problem at this point.

Irvin didn't crack 1,000 yards until his 4th season.

People have NO IDEA how good Dwayne Bowe is or can be.

Fucking Cassel.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd say that's a pretty fair comparison. Actually, pretty right on. Well done.

I've been saying it since the SD game his rookie year:

This guy could be a better Michael Irvin...seriously.

[Molitoth]

A different OC might decide whether he's an elite WR.

A different OC doesn't give him new hands.

[Molitoth]

Some of you idiots in this thread are absolute ****tards not worth the skin you wear.

I mean this thread is full of some idiotic shit.

Bowe is an elite WR. Period. elite meaning top 5. Routt made a good play on the ball in the endzone. That wasn't a "drop" by Bowe. Corners get paid too. He returned the favor by beating Routt for that end zone grab.

When Terrell Owens was in his prime he routinely was at the top of the league in dropped passes. It doesn't ****ing matter. Some guys have lapses but it doesn't take away from the rest of what they do.

Some of you guys have your head shoved side ways up your ****ing assholes.

lol, dumbass.

[-King-]

One of the mods should change your uset name to MMA McCloud.

Bowe is not elite. Bowe is 8/10.

Right now I would take the following receivers over Bowe.

Megatron
Fitz
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
Hakeem Nicks

And those were just the first 5 that came to mind. I'm pretty sure I can come up with another 5-7 if pressed.

Steve Smith has a lot of drops this year. So does Nicks.

[Molitoth]

YES, Bowe has shitty QB's.... how does that excuse dropping balls that are RIGHT IN YOUR HANDS?

Seriously guys? Pull the wool from your eyes. This guy is getting paid Millions to do a job.
If I failed as much as him, I would be fired.

[pr_capone]

Irvin didn't crack 1,000 yards until his 4th season.

People have NO IDEA how good Dwayne Bowe is or can be.

****ing Cassel.

I know he wasnt good enough to catch a pass in the end zone that hit him square to take the lead in a division game with playoff implications.

But yeah... lets keep pretending he is elite.

[pr_capone]

Steve Smith has a lot of drops this year. So does Nicks.

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

I see Smith on the list with 7... don't see nicks anywhere in the list.

Also, Steve Smith has 300 more receiving yards and ten more td while only catching 3 more passes than Bowe yet being targeted fewer times.

I stand by both players.

[-King-]

YES, Bowe has shitty QB's.... how does that excuse dropping balls that are RIGHT IN YOUR HANDS?

Seriously guys? Pull the wool from your eyes. This guy is getting paid Millions to do a job.
If I failed as much as him, I would be fired.

:LOL::LOL::LOL: 1000 yards in 4 seasons. Averaging 7 TDs per season.



Yeah thats fail right there.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

I see Smith on the list with 7... don't see nicks anywhere in the list.

Also, Steve Smith has 300 more receiving yards and ten more td while only catching 3 more passes than Bowe yet being targeted fewer times.

I stand by both players.

Bowe had cassel palko orton ........alot different then Cam and Eli

[scho63]

Anyone else sick of these?

He's NOT an Elite receiver.

He ranks as nearly the WORST receiver in percentage of drops over the last 3 years

[Molitoth]

:LOL::LOL::LOL: 1000 yards in 4 seasons. Averaging 7 TDs per season.

Yeah thats fail right there.

Go right ahead and keep putting your faith in him to win games. I'm off that train, because I know it doesn't go anywhere. Have fun.

[-King-]

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

I see Smith on the list with 7... don't see nicks anywhere in the list.

Also, Steve Smith has 300 more receiving yards and ten more td while only catching 3 more passes than Bowe yet being targeted fewer times.

I stand by both players.

So Bowe has only 3 more drops than Smith and yet Bowe drops the ball too much? 3 more drops in 14 games? Thats what the hoopla is about?

Steve Smith has the best rookie QB of all time. You really think if Bowe was on the Panthers he wouldn't get as much if not more yards than Smith? LMAO And what do you mean 10 more TDs? He has 1 more TD than Bowe.

[-King-]

He ranks as nearly the WORST receiver in percentage of drops over the last 3 years

Looking at that chart, seems like there are more great players in that worst category than in that best category.


But then again, chiefs planet would riot if we had Randy Moss cause he drops so many passes LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

He ranks as nearly the WORST receiver in percentage of drops over the last 3 years

1. That's a three-year indicator that includes an awful 2009 for Bowe.

2. That doesn't include this season.

So you can't really form an argument about what Bowe is right now based on that evidence.

Right now, Bowe's drop rate this season is 11.54 percent (based on the PFF spreadsheet I just looked at). That's 60th out of 93 receivers. That might sound horrible, but he's right there with guys like:

Mike Williams
Roddy White
Andre Johnson
Anquan Boldin
Brandon Lloyd
Victor Cruz
Mario Manningham

What it means is that "60th out of 93" isn't quite as bad as it sounds. Unless you also think Roddy White sucks.

Terrell Owens was freaking beasting the fuck out of the NFL four years ago and he had one of the highest drop rates in the league.

[Hammock Parties]

FYI, Baldwin is dead last in drop rate.

That dude needs to work on his hands this offseason.

[FAX]

I guess we still need a little work on that consistency thing.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

Nate Washington has a drop rate of 7.04 percent, and a respectable 66 catches coming into this week.

Anyone want to trade Dwayne Bowe for Nate Fucking Washington?

Didn't think so.

[Molitoth]

Dropping a 5 yard out is a little different than dropping TD's.

It would be interesting to see a GoChiefs highlight of all the Bowe dropped bigtime plays that should've been over his career.

[Phobia]

So Bowe has only 3 more drops than Smith and yet Bowe drops the ball too much? 3 more drops in 14 games? Thats what the hoopla is about?

Steve Smith has the best rookie QB of all time. You really think if Bowe was on the Panthers he wouldn't get as much if not more yards than Smith? LMAO And what do you mean 10 more TDs? He has 1 more TD than Bowe.

Bowe averages 12 drops a year. One drop can cost you a game. Drops are the ONLY thing I'm arguing about. He cuts his drops down to 4 per year and he's easily elite. Nobody talks about a Bowe drop when we win or when we get blown out. The only time people bitch about Bowe dropping the ball is when we lose by one score and he's dropped a sure TD or a first down catch that would have otherwise ended the game.

[pr_capone]

1. That's a three-year indicator that includes an awful 2009 for Bowe.

2. That doesn't include this season.

So you can't really form an argument about what Bowe is right now based on that evidence.

Right now, Bowe's drop rate this season is 11.54 percent (based on the PFF spreadsheet I just looked at). That's 60th out of 93 receivers. That might sound horrible, but he's right there with guys like:

Mike Williams
Roddy White
Andre Johnson
Anquan Boldin
Brandon Lloyd
Victor Cruz
Mario Manningham

What it means is that "60th out of 93" isn't quite as bad as it sounds. Unless you also think Roddy White sucks.

Terrell Owens was freaking beasting the **** out of the NFL four years ago and he had one of the highest drop rates in the league.

I don't think anyone is eying thatbowe sucks. At least I'm not. I'm saying that he is not the elite #1 receiver that some make him out to be.

[Hammock Parties]

It would be interesting to see a GoChiefs highlight of all the Bowe dropped bigtime plays that should've been over his career.

Because I really have interest in putting that together. LMAO

[htismaqe]

This fanbase is so full of fail...

[htismaqe]

Bowe averages 12 drops a year. One drop can cost you a game. Drops are the ONLY thing I'm arguing about. He cuts his drops down to 4 per year and he's easily elite. Nobody talks about a Bowe drop when we win or when we get blown out. The only time people bitch about Bowe dropping the ball is when we lose by one score and he's dropped a sure TD or a first down catch that would have otherwise ended the game.

Roddy White has just about as many.

He's one of the best WRs in the game.

And in the grand scheme of things, we win that game GOING AWAY if Orton doesn't throw 2 picks deep in Raider territory.

The hate for Bowe is beyond silly.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't think anyone is eying thatbowe sucks. At least I'm not. I'm saying that he is not the elite #1 receiver that some make him out to be.

Are Andre Johnson and Roddy White elite #1 receivers?

Let's take a look at some 2011 numbers, and keep in mind Andre and Roddy have far superior QBs.

White - 78.5 yards per game, .857 drops per game
Johnson - 78.5 yards per game, .667 drops per game
Bowe - 71 yards per game, .667 drops per game

[Phobia]

Roddy White has just about as many.

He's one of the best WRs in the game.

And in the grand scheme of things, we win that game GOING AWAY if Orton doesn't throw 2 picks deep in Raider territory.

The hate for Bowe is beyond silly.

I don't hate Bowe. I did after the Raiders loss last year but I've moved on. I'm just saying he's a top 15 or 20 WR not a top 5. I don't think that's unreasonable. I still want him here.

[pr_capone]

Roddy White has just about as many.

He's one of the best WRs in the game.

And in the grand scheme of things, we win that game GOING AWAY if Orton doesn't throw 2 picks deep in Raider territory.

The hate for Bowe is beyond silly.

I don't recall white dropping any td passes that hit him square in the hands either. Especially not when the division is within grasp. White is elite. Bowe is not.

[-King-]

Dropping a 5 yard out is a little different than dropping TD's.

It would be interesting to see a GoChiefs highlight of all the Bowe dropped bigtime plays that should've been over his career.

Why don't you go ahead and list them since there are so many?

[Phobia]

Are Andre Johnson and Roddy White elite #1 receivers?

Let's take a look at some 2011 numbers, and keep in mind Andre and Roddy have far superior QBs.

White - 78.5 yards per game, .857 drops per game
Johnson - 78.5 yards per game, .667 drops per game
Bowe - 71 yards per game, .667 drops per game

I don't follow Atlanta at all. I do know Johnson has cleaned his drops up significantly over the past 2 years. If he can do it so can Bowe.

[Phobia]

Why don't you go ahead and list them since there are so many?

There are almost 50 of them documented over the past 4 years. Shouldn't be terribly hard to find them.

[-King-]

I don't recall white dropping any td passes that hit him square in the hands either. Especially not when the division is within grasp. White is elite. Bowe is not.

I'm pretty sure at least one of White's league leading drops was in the endzone. And I'm not sure how he gets a pass if Bowe doesn't.

[scho63]

I remember Tony G having the horrible drops his first two years but we all know what happened after that......

[pr_capone]

Are Andre Johnson and Roddy White elite #1 receivers?

Let's take a look at some 2011 numbers, and keep in mind Andre and Roddy have far superior QBs.

White - 78.5 yards per game, .857 drops per game
Johnson - 78.5 yards per game, .667 drops per game
Bowe - 71 yards per game, .667 drops per game

Situational stuff wendler. Show me drives where Johnson or white are dropping td passes that hit them squarely. Or killing drives like bowe has done numerous times.

Dropping a 10 yard out is vastly different than dropping multiple passes to seal the game. Clutch factor... white and Johnson have it. Bowe does not.

[Hammock Parties]

Situational stuff wendler. Show me drives where Johnson or white are dropping td passes that hit them squarely. Or killing drives like bowe has done numerous times.

Dropping a 10 yard out is vastly different than dropping multiple passes to seal the game. Clutch factor... white and Johnson have it. Bowe does not.

Amusing that you say this after a game in which Bowe was incredibly clutch.

[-King-]

I don't follow Atlanta at all. I do know Johnson has cleaned his drops up significantly over the past 2 years. If he can do it so can Bowe.

Andre Johnson had 3 drops in 6 games. In a whole season, he would have had ~8 drops. I don't call that cleaning up significantly. He's dropping almost as many as Bowe.

[bricks]

The Chiefs are so full of fail...

FYP

[pr_capone]

Amusing that you say this after a game in which Bowe was incredibly clutch.

Dropping a TD in the endzone when the division is on the line against a division opponent at home IS THE EPITOME OF NOT BEING CLUTCH.

Please tell me we aren't going to have to put up with you swinging off bowed nuts like you did list. Call a spade a spade. Bowe is good... not elite.

[Hammock Parties]

Dropping a TD in the endzone when the division is on the line IS THE EPITOME OF NOT BEING CLUTCH.

Please tell me we aren't going to have to put up with you swinging off bowed nuts like you did list. Call a spade a spade. Bowe is good... not elite.

He had four catches for 58 yards and a TD on our last 2 offensive possessions.

That's clutch as fuck.

[bricks]

He had four catches for 58 yards and a TD on our last 2 offensive possessions.

That's clutch as ****.

Yeah, but what if he catches both passes in the endzone today?

We win.

Simple.

[Phobia]

Andre Johnson had 3 drops in 6 games. In a whole season, he would have had ~8 drops. I don't call that cleaning up significantly. He's dropping almost as many as Bowe.

Don't argue with me. Argue with the guys who track this stuff. AJ led the league in drops in early in his career. He's vastly improved in 2010 and 2011 according to these stat-trackers. I'm just parroting what I read about it when I researched last week.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yeah, but what if he catches both passes in the endzone today?

We win.

Simple.

Dude the DB hit the ball on the first one we need a GIF of it.

[-King-]

Situational stuff wendler. Show me drives where Johnson or white are dropping td passes that hit them squarely. Or killing drives like bowe has done numerous times.

Dropping a 10 yard out is vastly different than dropping multiple passes to seal the game. Clutch factor... white and Johnson have it. Bowe does not.

THIS TIME, Roddy White (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8442/roddy-white) refused to let go of the ball, not even to spike it. In Week 7, the Falcons receiver broke out of his season-long slump with an over-the-shoulder fingertip TD grab against the Lions. He danced, chest-bumped and high-fived his way back to the Atlanta bench -- all while maintaining a death grip on the football. With a league-high seven botched catches, including the potential game winner in the fourth quarter against Tampa on Sept. 25,

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7183063/nfl-players-falcons-receiver-roddy-white-struggle-drops-espn-magazine

And I remember Andre Johnson dropping a ball during a 2 minute drill this year, but I forgot which game.

[pr_capone]

He had four catches for 58 yards and a TD on our last 2 offensive possessions.

That's clutch as ****.

No... it is not. That is him doing what he is supposed to do as the #1 wr on the team. Clutch would have been him hanging on to the ball in the ez that Jim Abbott would have been able to catch.

[-King-]

Yeah, but what if he catches both passes in the endzone today?

We win.

Simple.

And what if the Raiders snap the ball 1 second earlier on that FG and they score a TD?

They still win.

Simple.


The what if game is fun as hell!

[Hammock Parties]

No... it is not. That is him doing what he is supposed to do as the #1 wr on the team. Clutch would have been him hanging on to the ball in the ez that Jim Abbott would have been able to catch.

You can't be clutch in the 2nd quarter, sorry.

Game was on the line and DBowe stepped up. Clutch.

[-King-]

No... it is not. That is him doing what he is supposed to do as the #1 wr on the team. Clutch would have been him hanging on to the ball in the ez that Jim Abbott would have been able to catch.

He had Routte hanging on his arm the whole way down!

[Hammock Parties]

He had Routte hanging on his arm the whole way down!

I have to gif this now to settle this shit. LMAO

[jd1020]

I have to gif this now to settle this shit. LMAO

Do it. I had to watch the game on shitty pixelated stream. I couldn't see anything besides the ball being perfectly placed and Bowe not catching it.

[Phobia]

You can't be clutch in the 2nd quarter, sorry.

WHAT?

You don't know what you're talking about. Not even the slightest clue.

Seriously, this is probably in the top 100 stupid things you've said on this site.

[Hammock Parties]

Drop.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/22bo.gif

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Drop.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/22bo.gif

wow flat out dropped it.But his arm was all over bowe.

[bricks]

That should of clearly been a catch.

[jd1020]

Drop.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/22bo.gif

FML. That looks more like he just let it go.

[Hammock Parties]

WHAT?

You don't know what you're talking about. Not even the slightest clue.
.

Clutch = end of game performance.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clutch

6. A tense, critical situation: came through in the clutch.

[pr_capone]

You can't be clutch in the 2nd quarter, sorry.


Apparently we are just making our own definitions or parameters for clutch now so I'm done arguing bout this with ya. Enjoy dbowe. I, for one, hope that he magically turns into a high draft pick that we use on a qb. I wont be upset if he is still here next season but I would rather he turn into one of the first 3 qbs drafted this offseason.
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[bricks]

FML. That looks more like he just let it go.

Pretty much.

It looks like he gave up on the play.

[Phobia]

Drop.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/22bo.gif

Agreed.

[Phobia]

Clutch = end of game performance.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clutch

6. A tense, critical situation: came through in the clutch.

You haven't played a day of organized sports in your entire life. There's not a chance in the world I'm going to argue with an idiot on this one.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It was a huge drop, but he's the best wide reciever this team has had in a LONG time. He made some big plays down the stretch, but I did cuss up a storm over that early drop though. He's got to make those plays.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Drop.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/22bo.gif

Bowe was scared of the safety...