Don't **** With a Mom and Her Baby...

[BigRichard]

especially if she has a loaded shotgun and pistol.








Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's OK to Shoot

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A young Oklahoma mother shot and killed an intruder to protect her 3-month-old baby on New Year's Eve, less than a week after the baby's father died of cancer.

Sarah McKinley says that a week earlier a man named Justin Martin dropped by on the day of her husband's funeral, claiming that he was a neighbor who wanted to say hello. The 18-year-old Oklahoma City area woman did not let him into her home that day.

On New Year's Eve Martin returned with another man, Dustin Stewart, and this time was armed with a 12-inch hunting knife. The two soon began trying to break into McKinley's home.

As one of the men was going from door to door outside her home trying to gain entry, McKinley called 911 and grabbed her 12-gauge shotgun.

McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a pistol, put the bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.

"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"

The 911 dispatcher confirmed with McKinley that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.

"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. McKinley was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.

When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.

"You're allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force," Det. Dan Huff of the Blanchard police said.

Stewart soon turned himself in to police.

McKinley said that she was at home alone with her newborn that night because her husband just died of cancer on Christmas Day.

"I wouldn't have done it, but it was my son," McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO. "It's not an easy decision to make, but it was either going to be him or my son. And it wasn't going to be my son. There's nothing more dangerous than a woman with a child."

[Bump]

I saw this yesterday, good for her!

[Predarat]

That was awesome, thats a shitty rule that they actually have to break the door have to enter the house before you can shoot. Once they are trying to break in they should be fair game.

[Sofa King]

Wonder which gun she shot him with?

[luv]

Didn't play the video since I'm at work. Did it say anything about why the man seemed to be after her?

[BigRichard]

Worst part about that is her husband just died the week before from cancer. She has that happen and then has to kill some guy breaking into her home to do god knows what.

[Old Dog]

I'm glad she killed the fucker and didn't just wound him so he could tie shit up in the legal system forever like he was some kind of victim.

[BigRichard]

Didn't play the video since I'm at work. Did it say anything about why the man seemed to be after her?

She said something about she thought he had been stalking her.

[tooge]

what, you can't just shoot through the door?

[ChiTown]

Wonder which gun she shot him with?

Got to be the 12 gauge. Either that, or she's extremely accurate with a pistol - which I doubt.

[Rasputin]

Good for her.

One less raider fan in this world.

[Old Dog]

And for the record, THIS is my idea of "gun control"....well aimed shots.

[Fritz88]

Wonder which gun she shot him with?

She squirted on him.

[Fish]

That poor little MILF...

[BIG_DADDY]

Awesome, wish she had shot both of them.

[frankotank]

YES! frigging totally awesome. good for her. sucks she had to deal with that....but deal with that she did. same would happend at my house no doubt. gotta lotta mo waiting at my house bitches.
interesting that she said she wouldn't have done it if not for her son. so had she been alone she wouldn't have shot a knife wielding intruder coming at her in her home? if ever in that same scenario my daughter won't be asking permission!

[FishingRod]

From all the information I have seen she was more than justified in defending herself, her property and her child. Good riddance to bad rubbish as they say. The only question I have is how long does it really take to kick in a door? I wouldn’t think if I were trying to kick one in, that the person inside wouldn’t have time to have a chat with the 911 operator.

[BigRichard]

From all the information I have seen she was more than justified in defending herself, her property and her child. Good riddance to bad rubbish as they say. The only question I have is how long does it really take to kick in a door? I wouldn’t think if I were trying to kick one in, that the person inside wouldn’t have time to have a chat with the 911 operator.

Exactly, not that I am an expert at breakin into peoples houses or anything. I think in the story they said they were outside something like 20 minutes trying to get in. Doesn't that kinda give the person the chance to call the police or arm themselves? Why not just walk up and kick the door down if you are not trying to be discreet about it?

[Saul Good]

Why weren't the cops there? She was on the phone for over 20 minutes. How long does it take to get an officer to the house of a single mother when dudes with knives are trying to break in?

[Radar Chief]

That was awesome, thats a shitty rule that they actually have to break the door have to enter the house before you can shoot. Once they are trying to break in they should be fair game.

I don’t know about Oklahoma but Kansas and Texas both are “Castle Doctrine” and “Stand Your Ground” states.

Castle Doctrine: before this legislation went into effect a person could not use deadly force to protect property, one could only use deadly force to protect life. Because of the Castle Doctrine you no longer have to wait until someone breaks into your house and threatens you before using deadly force.

Stand Your Ground: before this legislation a person had to retreat until retreat was no longer possible before using deadly force. Now if you are legally going about your business, private or public setting so this works on the street also, and are threatened with great physical harm or death you can use deadly force without running away first.

[Radar Chief]

Didn't play the video since I'm at work. Did it say anything about why the man seemed to be after her?

From what I’ve read the guy had been harassing her with increasing intensity particularly after her husband died.

[Dayze]

Why weren't the cops there? She was on the phone for over 20 minutes. How long does it take to get an officer to the house of a single mother when dudes with knives are trying to break in?

yep. exactly.

I pose this sort of question when I talk to friends who say "I don't need a gun in the house, I'll just call 911".

yeah, good luck with that. have fun waiting 13+ minutes for a cop to show up.

[Saul Good]

Guns don't kill people. MILFs kill people.

[Radar Chief]

yep. exactly.

I pose this sort of question when I talk to friends who say "I don't need a gun in the house, I'll just call 911".

yeah, good luck with that. have fun waiting 13+ minutes for a cop to show up.

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[Iowanian]

Wonder which gun she shot him with?

I'm guessing she went with her level 30 gold FMG9, Akimbo.

that's what I would use if waiting behind a couch for someone busting through a door.

[Fish]

From all the information I have seen she was more than justified in defending herself, her property and her child. Good riddance to bad rubbish as they say. The only question I have is how long does it really take to kick in a door? I wouldn’t think if I were trying to kick one in, that the person inside wouldn’t have time to have a chat with the 911 operator.

Have you ever actually tried to kick in a door? It doesn't exactly work like in the movies....

[Iowanian]

This gal has had a pretty bad month.

She's 18 years old, lives in a trailer house, has a 3 month old baby, her husband dies of lung cancer on Christmas and then she has to clean this guy who broke in to try to rape her's brains from the wall.


I'm glad she was prepared and able to defend herself and her child.

It's pathetic that the police didn't get there in time to head this off. 20 minutes+ is an unacceptable response time.

[Lzen]

Guns don't kill people. MILFs kill people.

ROFL

[rageeumr]

Have you ever actually tried to kick in a door? It doesn't exactly work like in the movies....

When I first got out of college I moved in with a buddy who had just bought a house. I locked myself out one morning and shouldered down his back door on the first try. I'm 6'2 and about 160, so I'm not exactly a powerhouse.

Edit: "Shouldered down" probably gives the wrong impression. I didn't take the door off the frame, I just broke the interior of the frame on the strike side releasing the deadbolt and latch.

[kepp]

I'm guessing she went with her level 30 gold FMG9, Akimbo.

that's what I would use if waiting behind a couch for someone busting through a door.

Didn't sound like she was camping though.

[Lzen]

Does anyone else think that this story sounds a little fishy? I could be way off but she sure didn't act upset or anything. Seemed pretty calm in that interview. I would think a woman would be a mess after all of this.

[Dartgod]

This gal has had a pretty bad month.

She's 18 years old, lives in a trailer house, has a 3 month old baby, her husband dies of lung cancer on Christmas and then she has to clean this guy who broke in to try to rape her's brains from the wall.

Why was he trying to rape her brains? Was he a zombie rapist?

[crazycoffey]

how about, don't break into people's house....

[siberian khatru]

Seemed pretty calm in that interview.

Makes her even hotter.

[excessive]

I saw a news story on this. She's way out in the country, so no way police could get there in any reasonable time.

They also had an expert talking about the Castle doctrine. He said no one has ever been successfully prosecuted in a non-Castle state for shooting an intruder. Prosecution usualy declines the case as juries tend to be sympathetic to home owners defending themselves.

[Demonpenz]

damn. I was planning on selling my ski masks in that area

[Frazod]

One less Okie scumbag in the world. I hope she embraces this newfound calling and keeps up the good work. :thumb:

[BIG_DADDY]

. 20 minutes+ is an unacceptable response time.

They were busy creating revenue.

[BWillie]

Nothing wrong with this, this is far and away different than the Joe Horn case.

[Radar Chief]

They were busy creating revenue.

I think the lesson here is to not get your house broken into between 5:00 and 7:00 PM when Dunkin' Donuts is throwing out the day olds.

[Frosty]

I think the lesson here is to not get your house broken into between 5:00 and 7:00 PM when Dunkin' Donuts is throwing out the day olds.

It's probably a good thing for her that she wasted him. Stalkers usually aren't deterred by a little jail time.

[Predarat]

I don’t know about Oklahoma but Kansas and Texas both are “Castle Doctrine” and “Stand Your Ground” states.

Castle Doctrine: before this legislation went into effect a person could not use deadly force to protect property, one could only use deadly force to protect life. Because of the Castle Doctrine you no longer have to wait until someone breaks into your house and threatens you before using deadly force.

Stand Your Ground: before this legislation a person had to retreat until retreat was no longer possible before using deadly force. Now if you are legally going about your business, private or public setting so this works on the street also, and are threatened with great physical harm or death you can use deadly force without running away first.
Awesome, finially the legal system working the way it should.

[SAUTO]

Have you ever actually tried to kick in a door? It doesn't exactly work like in the movies....

you must be a little guy...ROFL

[Radar Chief]

you must be a little guy...ROFL

Depends on the door, door frame and how well built they are.
Cops have a battering ram specifically built for opening locked doors and it can still take them several tries to knock a door down.

[Lumpy]

I heard about this on the radio this morning. I approve of what she had to do to protect herself and her baby. As a mom myself, I have no doubt that I would have done the same.

[Demonpenz]

They were probably trying to get at her copy of "Wild Hogs" on dvd.

[BigRichard]

If the NRA was smart they would be signing a deal with this lady right now to speak on their behalf.

Edit: I was gonna say beating down her door but we see what happens when you do that.

[WV]

Wonder if she walked up after he was down and put one in his head.....boom headshot!

[crazycoffey]

you must be a little guy...ROFL

I'm not, and have been on a SWAT team in the Dallas area for over 4 years. I'm going to tell you that it depends on the door but yeah, it's not as easy as in the movies....

[Bump]

I wonder what Casey Anthony would have done in this situation.

[BigRichard]

Wonder if she walked up after he was down and put one in his head.....boom headshot!

I bet she stretched right before he busted down the door too.

[Frosty]

Wonder if she walked up after he was down and put one in his head.....boom headshot!

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[Fish]

you must be a little guy...ROFL

Uhh huh.... and you must be quite a tough guy...

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[FishingRod]

Have you ever actually tried to kick in a door? It doesn't exactly work like in the movies....

Well, yes, actually a few. One my x locked my out of my own house while we were still married. Had to fix that one. Not a bright move on the part of either one of us. I have had steel door with deadbolts that go into more than just the door frame since then. I still don’t think it would take more than a few kicks for the average sized man to force it open.

[Predarat]

I wonder what Casey Anthony would have done in this situation.

She would have killed her kid and slept with the intruders.

[Msmith]

The other guy turned himself in. I wonder what would he say about the incident?

[scho63]

That was awesome, thats a shitty rule that they actually have to break the door have to enter the house before you can shoot. Once they are trying to break in they should be fair game.

I think it's great she shot the guy but your logic has one major flaw, what if someone is drunk and thinks they are at the right house trying to get in with a key that doesn't work and the homeowner blasts them through the door?

Surprised how many people go to the wrong door!

[crazycoffey]

Well, yes, actually a few. One my x locked my out of my own house while we were still married. Had to fix that one. Not a bright move on the part of either one of us. I have had steel door with deadbolts that go into more than just the door frame since then. I still don’t think it would take more than a few kicks for the average sized man to force it open.

then you had a shitty door on your trailer...

Fish: second video - the cop is standing on the wrong side with the battering ram. And if the door did give he might have broken his left forearm.

[Radar Chief]

I think it's great she shot the guy but your logic has one major flaw, what if someone is drunk and thinks they are at the right house trying to get in with a key that doesn't work and the homeowner blasts them through the door?

Surprised how many people go to the wrong door!

That has happened. Google Yoshihiro Hattori.

I’ll give you the nutshell version.
He was a Japanese exchange student that went looking for a party and knocked on the wrong door. Rodney Peairs, the shooter, was acquitted of all charges in his death.

[Predarat]

I think it's great she shot the guy but your logic has one major flaw, what if someone is drunk and thinks they are at the right house trying to get in with a key that doesn't work and the homeowner blasts them through the door?

Surprised how many people go to the wrong door!

Going to the wrong door and knocking or ringing the door bell, even trying to use a key and trying to kick in a door or break into a window are two different things. Even if the drunk does manage to get in the homeowner has the right to shoot. Too bad for the drunk if that happens, it sucks but that is a rare instance.

[chasedude]

Castle Law = Winning

Great way to thin the gene pool.

[BigRichard]

Going to the wrong door and knocking or ringing the door bell, even trying to use a key and trying to kick in a door or break into a window are two different things. Even if the drunk does manage to get in the homeowner has the right to shoot. Too bad for the drunk if that happens, it sucks but that is a rare instance.

Which is rarer? Dumbass going to wrong house or criminal trying to kick down your door while your home? I would bet it would be the criminal but I don't have statistics to back that up.

[Predarat]

Which is rarer? Dumbass going to wrong house or criminal trying to kick down your door while your home? I would bet it would be the criminal but I don't have statistics to back that up.

Someone going to the wrong house and trying to break in and kick down the door is probably rarer. I don't hear about people accidently kicking doors and breaking windows trying to get into a house.

[BigRichard]

Someone going to the wrong house and trying to break in and kick down the door is probably rarer. I don't hear about people accidently kicking doors and breaking windows trying to get into a house.

I don't think the law requires said dumbass to be kicking down the door before they shoot. I think simply fidgeting with the door handle and such apparently gives them the right to shoot.

[Iowanian]

I wonder what Casey Anthony would have done in this situation.

My guess is
1. kill him and hide him in a trash bag a few blocks away until someone finds him and then pretend she knows nothing about it and then start a vlog about it. OR>.....given recent news, she might have just put him into the washing machine and drown him with a spin cycle.

[FlaChief58]

Wonder which gun she shot him with?

I would guess the shotgun. It's makes a bigger hole to stop fucktards like that. Either way I'd like to thank her for ridding the world of another piece of scum and the police for doing the right thing and not charging her.

[mikey23545]

This woman really pisses me off.











Why didn't she just wound the bastard with her first shot, take his knife away from him and play with his intestines for a while before throwing him out back for the dogs...

[Bane]

1 less.Good girl!No telling what those shit bags would have done if she wasn't armed.

[FishingRod]

then you had a shitty door on your trailer...

Fish: second video - the cop is standing on the wrong side with the battering ram. And if the door did give he might have broken his left forearm.

Ah trailer joke, well played. I will agree with you that all doors are not the same but, most any “normal” door on a house or a trailer is not going to hold up more than a very short time if someone wants in. Maybe these guys were enjoying tormenting her after cutting her phone line not realizing 1978 had long passed and people have cell phones.

[thebrad84]

Does anyone else think that this story sounds a little fishy? I could be way off but she sure didn't act upset or anything. Seemed pretty calm in that interview. I would think a woman would be a mess after all of this.

I assume you haven't met many trailer park girls... aren't your typical fragile girly girls...they tend to grow up a little on the rough side

[Easy 6]

Great story, the scumbag got exactly what he deserved.

Poor chick lost her husband on Christmas day & here comes this roach with a knife :shake:

[JD10367]

The other guy turned himself in. I wonder what would he say about the incident?

"I'm glad I was going in 2nd..."

[Fire Me Boy!]

I don’t know about Oklahoma but Kansas and Texas both are “Castle Doctrine” and “Stand Your Ground” states.

Castle Doctrine: before this legislation went into effect a person could not use deadly force to protect property, one could only use deadly force to protect life. Because of the Castle Doctrine you no longer have to wait until someone breaks into your house and threatens you before using deadly force.

Stand Your Ground: before this legislation a person had to retreat until retreat was no longer possible before using deadly force. Now if you are legally going about your business, private or public setting so this works on the street also, and are threatened with great physical harm or death you can use deadly force without running away first.

I believe Missouri is the same way, and also includes your vehicle as part of your "castle". Which means you're protected to use deadly force if someone is trying to carjack you 1,000 miles away from your home.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Two things : That chick aint a milf, and it looks like she married uncle Rico

[BigRichard]

They are charging the guy that ran away with 1st degree murder. WTF? Not saying he shouldn't be doing some time but that is just crazy.

[Radar Chief]

They are charging the guy that ran away with 1st degree murder. WTF? Not saying he shouldn't be doing some time but that is just crazy.

Did he confess that this was their intentions or something?
Probably just a scare tactic by the prosecutor though.

[BigRichard]

Did he confess that this was their intentions or something?
Probably just a scare tactic by the prosecutor though.

No it wasn't because of their intentions. Basically their law says if you are committing a certain crime and a death occurs you can be charged with murder whether you killed said person or not.

[Frazod]

They are charging the guy that ran away with 1st degree murder. WTF? Not saying he shouldn't be doing some time but that is just crazy.

That's insane. Had the victim died, perhaps. But the perp?

A key element of first degree murder is premeditation. I don't think fleeing a crime scene before a death occurs qualifies.

[SAUTO]

Uhh huh.... and you must be quite a tough guy...

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Dude those are houses where the people inside KNOW THAT A TON IF COPS COULD BE SHOWING UP WITH A BATTERING RAM and they made sure that door wouldn't open for a minute to give them a little time. 99% of your residential homes arent that way. A couple good kicks will get you in most. If not one.
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[crazycoffey]

Ah trailer joke, well played. I will agree with you that all doors are not the same but, most any “normal” door on a house or a trailer is not going to hold up more than a very short time if someone wants in. Maybe these guys were enjoying tormenting her after cutting her phone line not realizing 1978 had long passed and people have cell phones.

Well, you've broken down one door, and I'm agreeing with Fish, it's harder than you think, and it's because I've busted down many doors. Kicked with my boot, hit with a ram, shot with a shot gun and used explosive breeches. I'm saying its not always what its cracked up to be. Even cheap doors, you kick in the wrong area and you've started making a hole, but nothing else. It's not always the door, the frame has a lot to do with it too.

[thebrad84]

That's insane. Had the victim died, perhaps. But the perp?

A key element of first degree murder is premeditation. I don't think fleeing a crime scene before a death occurs qualifies.

Very true. But none of us know what 2nd guy said to police on what their intentions were. Perhaps he was so scared after seeing his buddy take a 12gauge to the face, that he ultimately confessed what their plans were, which may have been to rape and/or kill the girl.

[BigRichard]

That's insane. Had the victim died, perhaps. But the perp?

A key element of first degree murder is premeditation. I don't think fleeing a crime scene before a death occurs qualifies.

Very true. But none of us know what 2nd guy said to police on what their intentions were. Perhaps he was so scared after seeing his buddy take a 12gauge to the face, that he ultimately confessed what their plans were, which may have been to rape and/or kill the girl.

You must have missed this post...

No it wasn't because of their intentions. Basically their law says if you are committing a certain crime and a death occurs you can be charged with murder whether you killed said person or not.

[Frazod]

You must have missed this post...

No, I saw it. It's still retarded, especially in a case where the victim survived and the accused ran away.

They can charge this guy with anything. Getting a conviction, especially for first degree murder, is another story.

And FTR, it's not like I'd mind if they pulled it off. I'm sure the world would be a better place if this turd wasn't in it.

[stevieray]

no brainer. good for her.

[Fire Me Boy!]

No, I saw it. It's still retarded, especially in a case where the victim survived and the accused ran away.

They can charge this guy with anything. Getting a conviction, especially for first degree murder, is another story.

And FTR, it's not like I'd mind if they pulled it off. I'm sure the world would be a better place if this turd wasn't in it.

Funny story. My dad (longtime publisher/pressman) knew a guy who learned to use a printing press in jail. He was robbing a bank when a guy had a heart attack, and he stayed there to help the guy - figured better to go to jail for trying to rob a bank than murder if the guy died.

Anyway, got busted a second time for counterfeit - figured if they wanted him to learn to print, he should just print his own money. He contended for the longest time the only reason the gov't caught him was because his money was better than theirs.

[Fish]

Dude those are houses where the people inside KNOW THAT A TON IF COPS COULD BE SHOWING UP WITH A BATTERING RAM and they made sure that door wouldn't open for a minute to give them a little time. 99% of your residential homes arent that way. A couple good kicks will get you in most. If not one.
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LMAO.... OK.... I didn't realize you were excluding "houses where people know that a ton of cops would be showing up"... I had no idea that homes were classified in this manner... or that people chose their doors based on whether cops would be coming with battering rams. 99% of residential homes you say?

[Radar Chief]

They can charge this guy with anything. Getting a conviction, especially for first degree murder, is another story.

That’s exactly why I was saying “scare tactic”.
This is the seller starting off with their high ball offer. The defending attorney then drops his low ball offer knowing the prosecutor can’t make those charges stick, they’ll meet somewhere in the middle at “accessory to commit” or something and the guy might serve a nickel including probation.

And FTR, it's not like I'd mind if they pulled it off. I'm sure the world would be a better place if this turd wasn't in it.

Double up on the ^this.

[ChiTown]

LMAO.... OK.... I didn't realize you were excluding "houses where people know that a ton of cops would be showing up"... I had no idea that homes were classified in this manner... or that people chose their doors based on whether cops would be coming with battering rams. 99% of residential homes you say?

Yeah, but you'll have to go thru my screen door first, and it's pretty stout............