Joe Paterno has passed away for the 2nd time this weekend at the age of 85

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BREAKING: Penn State coach Joe Paterno near death, family summoning close friends to hospital for final goodbyes.

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Joe Paterno has passed away at the age of 85. http://sbn.to/xGNQQc



Joe Paterno has died at the age of 85, surrounded by his family, according to multiple reports on Saturday evening. An email reportedly went out to current Penn State players informing them of the news.

The former Penn State head coach, fired by the university's Board of Trustees in November 2011 at the height of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, was in declining health after being removed from his duties. His son, Scott, made Paterno's lung cancer public in November, and Paterno fell and fractured his pelvis in December. He had been in and out of a hospital near his State College home, receiving treatment for cancer and other illness, but was reportedly taken off a respirator early on Saturday.

Paterno was Penn State's head coach for 46 years, and coached football at the school from 1950 until 2011. His final win came in his penultimate game as Penn State's head coach, with the Nittany Lions defeating Illinois in October, and gave Paterno the Division I-A/FBS record for most wins by a head coach, passing Grambling's Eddie Robinson.

Paterno is survived by his wife of nearly 50 years, the former Susan Pohland, five children, and 17 grandchildren.

[J Diddy]

Sucks to hear. It is unfortunate that his legacy will be what it is.

[Fritz88]

He was old school.
That didn't help.

[BoneKrusher]

Sucks to hear. It is unfortunate that his legacy will be what it is.

what He Said^

[LiveSteam]

LOL

[big nasty kcnut]

Damn too bad this scandal will haunt him in the afterlife.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Damn.

[bowener]

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/3/32/3211d7d5_WellBye.jpeg

[gblowfish]

Joe Posnanski is furiously taking notes.

[The Bad Guy]

It is sad.

[Fishpicker]

something needs to be said... I'm going to look the other way though

[Caseyguyrr]

damn

[bowener]

something needs to be said... I'm going to look the other way though
http://a.imagehost.org/0286/pedo-bear-too-old.jpg

[ForeverChiefs58]

Well I hope he is wearing warm clothes, cause it is gonna be hot where he is going.

[chiefqueen]

This is sad, but not suprising.

[Reaper16]

Joe Paterno has actually been dead since 2005. He just never told the authorities about it.

[LiveSteam]

If I was the parent of 1 of the victims. I can tell you where I would be pissing just as soon as the backhoe drove away

[Bambi]

Bye Joe.

[RNR]

Joe Paterno has actually been dead since 2005. He just never told the authorities about it.

It seems that Joe did not like sharing information athorities~

[J Diddy]

Joe Posnanski is furiously taking notes.


I can read it now

Joe Paterno Dead

After a lengthy battle with cancer Joe Paterno has died. Attempt to reach him for comment were unsuccessful.

[The Bad Guy]

Although I think it's sad, it's even more pathetic that he's interrupting people's weekends. I would expect Joe to hold out until Monday.

[Rain Man]

Read 'em and weep in the celebrity death pool:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=8273866&highlight=paterno#post8273866

You're next, Mike Wallace.

[Phobia]

Predicted this shortly after he "resigned". Should have joined the death pool.

[lewdog]

Read 'em and weep in the celebrity death pool:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=8273866&highlight=paterno#post8273866

You're next, Mike Wallace.

I got him too, sucka!

[Spott]

8 year olds, dude.

[Crush]

I got him too, sucka!

As do I, the game is afoot.

[lewdog]

I don't feel bad for him at all. It doesn't even take a strong moral compass to do right in the situation he was presented with.

[lewdog]

As do I, the game is afoot.

I had Etta James too man....Boom!

[Dartgod]

Predicted this shortly after he "resigned". Should have joined the death pool.

He ain't dead yet, so put your picks in pronto!

[Crush]

I had Etta James too man....Boom!

You just wait. When both the Queen and the Pope hit the bucket, I am going to win that bitch.

[Rain Man]

I had Etta James too man....Boom!

You had Etta? Nice call.

I'm really counting on Pacman to do something stupid and die in an unusual way. He's my ace in the hole.

[lewdog]

You had Etta? Nice call.

I'm really counting on Pacman to do something stupid and die in an unusual way. He's my ace in the hole.

Definitely....gotta find the Chris Henry's of the world.

[Crush]

You had Etta? Nice call.

I'm really counting on Pacman to do something stupid and die in an unusual way. He's my ace in the hole.

Steven Adler is my wildcard. That guy has to die at some point.

[TimeForWasp]

I feel bad for Paterno . All those years as the coach of that school and he goes out that way. One of his coaches is a pedofile faggot.

[Pioli Zombie]

Oh God now we are going to have to watch all the Penn State ass holes wailing and crying and praying for JoePa. Boo fucking hoo.

[O.city]

All the Penn State JoPa guys come out with statements like "Firing JOPA killed him, damn the administration".

[stonedstooge]

If he croaks, he's going to have some 'plaining to do

[Mr. Plow]

I'd like to care, I just can't.

[Pioli Zombie]

Typical Penn State alumni first response will be to wonder how this might effect Bowl positioning for next year.

[TimeForWasp]

He almost broke up in mid air after getting fired.

[Pioli Zombie]

After he's dead some of the assistants are going to get together and fuck his corpse.

[kstater]

Fucking pussy. Checking out before he has to answer in the lawsuits why he hid a child molestor for 15 year.s

[Otter]

Well I hope he is wearing warm clothes, cause it is gonna be hot where he is going.

This makes zero sense.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I don't understand , did he do something wrong /

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sbnationSB Nation
Joe Paterno has passed away at the age of 85. http://sbn.to/xGNQQc




Joe Paterno has died at the age of 85, surrounded by his family, according to multiple reports on Saturday evening. An email reportedly went out to current Penn State players informing them of the news.

The former Penn State head coach, fired by the university's Board of Trustees in November 2011 at the height of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, was in declining health after being removed from his duties. His son, Scott, made Paterno's lung cancer public in November, and Paterno fell and fractured his pelvis in December. He had been in and out of a hospital near his State College home, receiving treatment for cancer and other illness, but was reportedly taken off a respirator early on Saturday.

Paterno was Penn State's head coach for 46 years, and coached football at the school from 1950 until 2011. His final win came in his penultimate game as Penn State's head coach, with the Nittany Lions defeating Illinois in October, and gave Paterno the Division I-A/FBS record for most wins by a head coach, passing Grambling's Eddie Robinson.

Paterno is survived by his wife of nearly 50 years, the former Susan Pohland, five children, and 17 grandchildren.

[Buck]

RIP

[KCrockaholic]

RIP Joe. A true football legend.

[Pioli Zombie]

Oh the humanity. Now he'll be the salt of the earth

[Bump]

I didn't pick him on the death pool, fml

[whoman69]

He did make a mistake, a big one and it cost him the job that he loved. That doesn't help out the kids. I don't cheer at his death. I reserve that for the POS who commited the heinous crimes.

[kstater]

All the victims are touched by his death.

[Pioli Zombie]

A mistake is when one makes A wrong decision. Keeping silent and letting something go on for 15 ****ing years that ruined many lives is 15 years of daily choices. **** him.

[Deberg_1990]

Something tells me this thread won't end well....
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[Mr. Flopnuts]

RIP JoPa.

[Brock]

Too bad the guy totally shit on his own legacy.

[SPchief]

Shouldn't people not be mocking him in this mourning thread? :)

[KC_Lee]

A mistake is when one makes A wrong decision. Keeping silent and letting something go on for 15 ****ing years that ruined many lives is 15 years of daily choices. **** him.

This, over and over.

[LiveSteam]

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[Rams Fan]

I believe CBS has withdrawn their report about him being dead.

[kysirsoze]

I believe CBS has withdrawn their report about him being dead.

JOHN GOODMAN JOKE

[tk13]

NBC and CNN both saying this is false.

[LiveSteam]

I believe CBS has withdrawn their report about him being dead.

I heard it on B1G network that hes still kicking

[MIAdragon]

Shouldn't people not be mocking him in this mourning thread? :)

Only if he had dinner at Frankie's house once.

[BoneKrusher]

RIP

[Rams Fan]

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/11/2628572/joe-paterno-health-lung-cancer-hip

Multiple reports indicating Joe Paterno had passed away on Saturday night were denied by a family spokesman. As of 8:57 p.m. Eastern, the spokesman called those reports "absolutely not true."

[LiveSteam]

GET-ER DONE JOE RIP
:thumb:

[stonedstooge]

Please reset the game clock to....

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ScottPaternoScott Paterno
CBS report is wrong - Dad is alive but in serious condition. We continue to ask for your prayers and privacy during this time.

[kstater]

ScottPaternoScott Paterno
CBS report is wrong - Dad is alive but in serious condition. We continue to ask for your prayers and privacy during this time.

Pretty sure he's lying. Probably wants to keep this under wraps for the next 15 years or so.

[Easy 6]

Wow, didnt his world come crumbling down in a hurry.

They say old men hate to retire because they know whats next, but geeez.

[milkman]

They probably just wanted to show Joe Paterno an idea of how reporting is supposed to work.

[pr_capone]

http://aplannersguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/notdeadyet.jpg

[Shogun]

@JayPaterno: I appreciate the support & prayers. Joe is continuing to fight.

[KCrockaholic]

ScottPaternoScott Paterno
CBS report is wrong - Dad is alive but in serious condition. We continue to ask for your prayers and privacy during this time.

He wants prayers but he also wants privacy? What a selfish bastard. You can't have both of those things.

[Pioli Zombie]

Gerald Ford was eaten by wolves and he was delicious

[Deberg_1990]

Oh well, if hes not dead, sounds like he soon will be

[Setsuna]

LOL wtf? Dude is dead. Leave it at that.

[Pioli Zombie]

Make up your fucking mind Paterno! Are you dead or alive? Don't sit on the fucking fence for 15you years about this one. Make a choice. Take a stand. Live or die you son of a bitch.

[chefsos]

Oh well, if hes not dead, sounds like he soon will beYeah, well, that's what we thought about Generalissimo Francisco Franco, too. That rat bastard made us wait a whole summer.

[Smed1065]

RIP.

Least we did not hire him this year./

[Crush]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/More%20Junk%202/84fc5fe5.jpg

[Bambi]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/More%20Junk%202/84fc5fe5.jpg

haha, damn... those poor alums. That school is forever fucked

[Pioli Zombie]

"He was masturbating" -Warren

[Rain Man]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/More%20Junk%202/84fc5fe5.jpg


That really is one of the best photoshops around.

Unless it's real. It's not real, is it?

[Pioli Zombie]

Sandusky is so devasted by this news he's got a 4 year old kid bent over a coffee table.

[Rain Man]

St. Peter is looking up from his book, thinking, "What are those rhythmic slapping noises?"


(Okay, I know this would work better for Sandusky, but I won't remember it when Sandusky dies.)

[The Bad Guy]

That really is one of the best photoshops around.

Unless it's real. It's not real, is it?

It absolutely is real.

It's a statue near the stadium.

[Dartgod]

It absolutely is real.

It's a statue near the stadium.

Including the Pedobear?

[The Bad Guy]

Including the Pedobear?

Ha. No. I missed that looking at it quick.

That's hilarious.

[DeezNutz]

I've seen this episode of The Sopranos. If the hit would have been successful on T...

[BigMeatballDave]

It absolutely is real.

It's a statue near the stadium.

Wtf is the little bear for?

[FAX]

So ... is he dead yet, or what?

FAX

[bowener]

So ... is he dead yet, or what?

FAX

I would like some clarification as well...

[LiveSteam]

As of about 45 minutes ago he was still kicking. Still in serious condition.
I bet he pulls through. & we go through 15 more of these failed attempts.

[bowener]

As of about 45 minutes ago he was still kicking. Still in serious condition.
I bet he pulls through. & we go through 15 more of these failed attempts.

HA!

[ReynardMuldrake]

I heard Paterno was moved to another hospital where his condition has been upgraded to 'alive'.

[Phobia]

I think he's probably going to take over the South Carolina Gamecocks this year and turn them into a perennial .500 powerhouse.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Although to be fair, even if he died it would take 13 years for them to notify the authorities.

[Deberg_1990]

Here's a thought....maybe he's actually been dead for the past 13 years or so and Penn State has just been doing the old "weekend at Bernie's" thing. Might explain a few things....

[Simplicity]

He is still makin' plays.

[Dylan]

The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins conducted an exclusive interview with Joe Paterno since being fired, in which he says, “I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.” (Jan. 14)

Paterno chose to protect his opportunism, greed and successful life instead of protecting underprivileged children, which is now inevitably part of his legacy.

It is this, which, to some extent can correlate to Ursula K. Le Guin's short story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas." The story posits a community, where people retreated from an abused child by their ideology of family values.

How refreshing, therefore, whenever we find the pain reversed.

Faithfully,

Dylan


Washington Post exclusive interview with Joe Paterno: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/joe-paternos-first-interview-since-the-penn-state-sandusky-scandal/2012/01/13/gIQA08e4yP_story.html

Summary: "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula K. Le Guin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas

[Setsuna]

The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins conducted an exclusive interview with Joe Paterno since being fired, in which he says, “I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.” (Jan. 14)

Paterno chose to protect his opportunism, greed and successful life instead of protecting underprivileged children, which is now inevitably part of his legacy.

It is this, which, to some extent can correlate to Ursula K. Le Guin's short story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas." The story posits a community, where people retreated from an abused child by their ideology of family values.

How refreshing, therefore, whenever we find the pain reversed.

Faithfully,

Dylan


Washington Post exclusive interview with Joe Paterno: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/joe-paternos-first-interview-since-the-penn-state-sandusky-scandal/2012/01/13/gIQA08e4yP_story.html

Summary: "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula K. Le Guin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas

Ummm...go to bed. And I've already read that short story before. He didn't walk away, so he is still responsible.

[TimeForWasp]

Ummm...go to bed. And I've already read that short story before. He didn't walk away, so he is still responsible.


WTF?

[jspchief]

I hope the doctors just think his cancer is "horseplay" and don't take it seriously.

[Crush]

Fuck it. I have to make this joke.

http://pawsru.org/m/src/m15000_waiting.jpg

[Pioli Zombie]

You're supposed to say something good about the dead. He's dead. Good. Wait he's alive? Fuck him up his ass in a shower then.

[LiveSteam]

Ummm...go to bed. And I've already read that short story before. He didn't walk away, so he is still responsible.

Dont talk to her like that. :cuss:

[scho63]

Now he is officially dead

[luv]

Ummm...go to bed. And I've already read that short story before. He didn't walk away, so he is still responsible.

Did you read her post?

[Al Bundy]

Well.. bye. I'll save my tears for the victims.

[redfan]

Mum's the word.

[Molitoth]

Stress is a powerful thing.

I bet he would still be kicking if not for the whole Sandusky fiasco.

[Bwana]

Now he is officially dead

Yep

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/fired-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-dead-85-15415163

[kstater]

RIH Joe

[MahiMike]

What a terrible way to leave this world after all he had accomplished. Sad.

[milkman]

What a terrible way to leave this world after all he had accomplished. Sad.

At the end of the day, his accomplishments as a professsional at his job pale in comparison to his failure as a human being.

[LiveSteam]

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He's dead again

[Frazod]

http://aplannersguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/notdeadyet.jpg

LMAO

I've got to get down to the Robinsons, they've lost nine today!

[O.city]

Gotta say I'm already tired of all the talk about how Joe got a raw deal.

[cdcox]

Do the death pool folks get to count him twice?

[ForeverChiefs58]

At the end of the day, his accomplishments as a professsional at his job pale in comparison to his failure as a human being.

:clap::bravo: This x 10000. Very well said Milkman.

[redfan]

Interesting reading the ESPN article's comments feed.

[gblowfish]

Interesting reading the ESPN article's comments feed.

One of the comments said "Parterno = Herbert on Family Guy."
Brutal.





But True.


BTW: Last night an SNL re-run had the skit with the devil being horrified by Paterno. You can see it here:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/snls-devil-is-horrified-with-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-rape-scandal/

[Messier]

One of the comments said "Parterno = Herbert on Family Guy."
Brutal.





But True.

Paterno wasn't a child molester.

[gblowfish]

Paterno wasn't a child molester.

No, he just tolerated Child Molesters.

[whoman69]

No, he just tolerated Child Molesters.

Which one is being villified more?

[Messier]

No, he just tolerated Child Molesters.

Yes he did, but he's not a petaphile.

[penchief]

At the end of the day, his accomplishments as a professsional at his job pale in comparison to his failure as a human being.

Disclaimer: I am not defending Paterno's failure to do more regarding the 2002 incident.

However, all those who knew Paterno personally, including his thousands of players, would tell you a totally different story than the one you are painting. That Paterno was a very special human being. While I completely understand the sentiment that many are expressing towards Paterno's failure to do more, I think your analysis is not a very balanced one. It is astonishing to me that Paterno seems to be receiving more contempt than anyone involved in the entire Sandusky episode.

The one thing that I think continues to be overlooked is that McQueary, himself, testified that he did not report any specifics to Paterno, only that he had witnessed something "of a sexual nature" taking place. Paterno passed it on to his superiors. He didn't hide anything. Should he have pursued the investigation to ensure that it was handled properly by his superiors? I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says that he should have. But that really wasn't his place.

In no way do I give Paterno a pass regarding his failure to do more or call the police. However, taking McQueary's testimony into account, among other things, it seems a little bit harsh to judge Paterno as if he committed the crimes himself. Until any of us know the exact nature of the entire sequene of events from start to finish, I don't think we can pass final judgement on someone's life. I certainly don't think we can condemn Paterno's entire life as worthless when there is mountains of personal testimony to the contrary.

[Pioli Zombie]

To allow it to go on so as to rock the boat of the football program equals piece of shit human being.

[Predarat]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/Predarat5/CurlyBillBrocius.jpg

[Spott]

Too bad no one asked him after the died the first time if was able to talk to God when he was dead the first time and ask him if the Chiefs are ever going to win the Super Bowl.

[penchief]

To allow it to go on so as to rock the boat of the football program equals piece of shit human being.

Disclaimer: I am not defending Paterno for his failure to do more regarding the McQueary incident.

But, how do you know that Paterno knowingly allowed it to continue? You act as if he knew that Sandusky was guilty without there being an official finding. It's hard to blame someone for not wanting to "rock the boat" or falsely accuse someone if there is no evidence.

That said, McQueary should have called the police instead of going to Paterno. In my job I have had a person come to me and tell me that they were sexually assaulted by another person at my site and for that reason she did not trust this guy around her children. My first reaction was, "did you call the police?"

Because if she didn't call the police there was a good chance that her accusations were false and that she was just trying to drag me into the middle of something that was not within my professional realm. I told her that I would be willing to dial the phone if she wanted to report it. But she did not.

So from that perspective I believe there is a degree of caution that one has to exercise when being put in that situation. I'll agree with those who say Paterno could have done more. But I don't think people should be so quick to paint it as a black and white scenario in which his poor judgement proves he is a piece of shit.

[milkman]

Disclaimer: I am not defending Paterno's failure to do more regarding the 2002 incident.

However, all those who knew Paterno personally, including his thousands of players, would tell you a totally different story than the one you are painting. While I completely understand the sentiment that many are expressing towards Paterno's failure to do more, I think your analysis is not a very balanced one. It is astonishing to me that Paterno seems to be receiving more contempt than anyone involved in the entire Sandusky episode.

The one thing that I think continues to be overlooked is that McQueary, himself, testified that he did not report any specifics to Paterno, only that he had witnessed something "of a sexual nature" taking place. Paterno passed it on to his superiors. He didn't hide anything. Should he have pursued the investigation to ensure that it was handled properly by his superiors? I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says that he should have. But that wasn't really his place.

In no way do I give Paterno a pass regarding his failure to do more or call the police. However, taking McQueary's testimony into account, among other things, it seems a little bit harsh to judge Paterno as if he committed the crimes himself. Until any of us know the exact nature of the entire sequene of events from start to finish, I don't think we can pass final judgement on someone's life. I certainly don't think we can condemn Paterno's entire life as worthless when there is mountains of personal testimony to the contrary.

First and foremost there is no one more dispicable and contemptuous than Sandusky in this situation.

That isn't debatable.

However, the reason Paterno is the focus of discussion is the fact that he was an icon, and until these allegations caame to light, one of the most powerful individuals in the state.

Second, I would argue that McQuery is next on the list of dispicable people in this situation.

You are an adult and you walk in on another adult molesting a child, and you simply walk away?

Reporting it to Paterno doesn't exonerate him in any way.

His inaction was a cowardly act.

That being said, the moment that McQuery reported to Paterno, Paterno should have immediately notified law enforement authorities, regardless how vague McQuery's reprt was.

Paterno's excuse that he didn't know what the institutional rules were, or whatever it was that he said, is justifying his failure to do the right thing.

The right thing would have been to report the incident to the police and ban Sandusky from the campus, institutional procedures be damned.

If he didn't know the right thing to do, then he has no business being in a position of authority and influence.

[Messier]

Disclaimer: I am not defending Paterno's failure to do more regarding the 2002 incident.

However, all those who knew Paterno personally, including his thousands of players, would tell you a totally different story than the one you are painting. That Paterno was a very special human being. While I completely understand the sentiment that many are expressing towards Paterno's failure to do more, I think your analysis is not a very balanced one. It is astonishing to me that Paterno seems to be receiving more contempt than anyone involved in the entire Sandusky episode.

The one thing that I think continues to be overlooked is that McQueary, himself, testified that he did not report any specifics to Paterno, only that he had witnessed something "of a sexual nature" taking place. Paterno passed it on to his superiors. He didn't hide anything. Should he have pursued the investigation to ensure that it was handled properly by his superiors? I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says that he should have. But that really wasn't his place.

In no way do I give Paterno a pass regarding his failure to do more or call the police. However, taking McQueary's testimony into account, among other things, it seems a little bit harsh to judge Paterno as if he committed the crimes himself. Until any of us know the exact nature of the entire sequene of events from start to finish, I don't think we can pass final judgement on someone's life. I certainly don't think we can condemn Paterno's entire life as worthless when there is mountains of personal testimony to the contrary.

Well said!

[luv]

First and foremost there is no one more dispicable and contemptuous than Sandusky in this situation.

That isn't debatable.

However, the reason Paterno is the focus of discussion is the fact that he was an icon, and until these allegations caame to light, one of the most powerful individuals in the state.

Second, I would argue that McQuery is next on the list of dispicable people in this situation.

You are an adult and you walk in on another adult molesting a child, and you simply walk away?

Reporting it to Paterno doesn't exonerate him in any way.

His inaction was a cowardly act.

That being said, the moment that McQuery reported to Paterno, Paterno should have immediately notified law enforement authorities, regardless how vague McQuery's reprt was.

Paterno's excuse that he didn't know what the institutional rules were, or whatever it was that he said, is justifying his failure to do the right thing.

The right thing would have been to report the incident to the police and ban Sandusky from the campus, institutional procedures be damned.

If he didn't know the right thing to do, then he has no business being in a position of authority and influence.

I do believe he reported it to his superiors.

Anyway, I know I've made my fair share of mistakes in life. I just hope the good I've done and the lives I've affected for the better outweigh a single bad decision I make. To be damned to hell would be awful.

[penchief]

First and foremost there is no one more dispicable and contemptuous than Sandusky in this situation.

That isn't debatable.

However, the reason Paterno is the focus of discussion is the fact that he was an icon, and until these allegations caame to light, one of the most powerful individuals in the state.

Second, I would argue that McQuery is next on the list of dispicable people in this situation.

You are an adult and you walk in on another adult molesting a child, and you simply walk away?

Reporting it to Paterno doesn't exonerate him in any way.

His inaction was a cowardly act.

That being said, the moment that McQuery reported to Paterno, Paterno should have immediately notified law enforement authorities, regardless how vague McQuery's reprt was.

Paterno's excuse that he didn't know what the institutional rules were, or whatever it was that he said, is justifying his failure to do the right thing.

The right thing would have been to report the incident to the police and ban Sandusky from the campus, institutional procedures be damned.

If he didn't know the right thing to do, then he has no business being in a position of authority and influence.

I don't disagree with most of what you say here. However, the fact that McQueary didn't call the police, and the fact that he didn't tell Paterno any specifics, would make reporting it to your superiors a reasonable call if you were trying to be cautious about jumping to conclusions.

That is all I'm saying. Unless you know what was in Paterno's heart it is harsh to say that he knew he was protecting a child molester when it probably wasn't a certainty at that point.

[milkman]

I do believe he reported it to his superiors.

He passed the buck.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say that reporting the incident to his superiors was the right thing to do.

Do you just leave it at that, or do you follow up to make sure steps are taken to ensure that no other children are in jeopardy?

[jbwm89]

At the end of the day, his accomplishments as a professsional at his job pale in comparison to his failure as a human being.

What is the going ratio for children you allowed to be raped for good works done for the community?

[penchief]

What is the going ratio for children you allowed to be raped for good works done for the community?

To say that he allowed children to be raped is a projection that doesn't equate. The only question is should he have followed up on his superior's findings. And that is a legitimate question.

[vailpass]

Respect to a great man, condolences to his family.

[milkman]

I don't disagree with most of what you say here. However, the fact that McQueary didn't call the police, and the fact that he didn't tell Paterno any specifics, would make reporting it to your superiors a reasonable call if you were trying to be cautious about jumping to conclusions.

That is all I'm saying. Unless you know what was in Paterno's heart it is harsh to say that he knew he was protecting a child molester when it probably wasn't a certainty at that point.

I am not even suggesting he knew, with certainty, that he was protecting a child molestor.

He did know, or at the very least should have known, however, that he was potentially protecting a child molestor.

And yes, McQuery should have called the police.

The simple fact is, from McQuery to Paterno, to Paterno's superiors, not one individual did the right thing.

[penchief]

Do you just leave it at that, or do you follow up to make sure steps are taken to ensure that no other children are in jeopardy?

If Paterno knew for sure that Sandusky was a child rapist, that would certainly be a requirement. If he did not know what the truth was or led to believe by his superiors that no crime was committed, then I don't think the answer is as clear as some are trying to claim. Certainly not as black and white as hindsight is making it out to be. And certainly not clear enough to condemn someone's entire life of good deeds.

[jbwm89]

To say that he allowed children to be raped is a projection that doesn't equate. The only question is should he have followed up on his superior's findings. And that is a legitimate question.

The guy was in the building and around the football team for years afterwards, continuing to do these horrible things right under Paterno's nose.

It's not like he neglected to follow up on something that had moved away from Penn State, we will never know what degree of understanding he had about what was happened. Personally, I seriously doubt he had no idea what was going on.

[penchief]

I am not even suggesting he knew, with certainty, that he was protecting a child molestor.

He did know, or at the very least should have known, however, that he was potentially protecting a child molestor.

And yes, McQuery should have called the police.

The simple fact is, from McQuery to Paterno, to Paterno's superiors, not one individual did the right thing.

I don't disagree with your assessment. I disagree with the notion that a lapse in judgement condemns one as a piece of shit and undoes all the compassionate things he has done in a lifetime devoted to helping others.

[jbwm89]

everyone wants to focus on the McQuery incident and how he handled that specific problem. The idea that he had that knowledge from the McQuery incident and he continued to allow this kind of stuff to happen for years is where the serious fault lies.

Good people often make mistakes in high pressure situations, bad people make mistakes for years and years on end, with countless hours to think about the consequences of his non actions.

[jspchief]

Surprise. The Pedo State homers have arrived to remind us of what a swell guy he was (when he wasn't brushing child rape under the rug).

[Setsuna]

Penchief must have raped at some point to be defending this person with logic. It isn't possible fool.

[penchief]

Penchief must have raped at some point to be defending this person with logic. It isn't possible fool.

This is exactly the reactionary judgmental mindset that will never be able to understand context. And I resent the fact that you would call me a rapist. There is no place for that here.

[Pioli Zombie]

Respect to a piece of shit, condolences to his family.

Fixed your post

[milkman]

If Paterno knew for sure that Sandusky was a child rapist, that would certainly be a requirement. If he did not know what the truth was or led to believe by his superiors that no crime was committed, then I don't think the answer is as clear as some are trying to claim. Certainly not as black and white as hindsight is making it out to be. And certainly not clear enough to condemn someone's entire life of good deeds.

If I'm only suspicious that a child molestor is around my program, then I'm going to be aggressive in following up.

He states in his interview (I'm parphrasing) that he didn't know what to do, but that he reported it to his superiors and thought that was enough.

What I took away from the interview is that he never followed up.

And the one thing I am going to do regardless is ban Sandusky from any activity on campus.

[jbwm89]

This is exactly the reactionary judgmental mindset that will never be able to understand context. And I resent the fact that you would call me a rapist. There is no place for that here.

completely agree, lets not call each other rapists.

[Pioli Zombie]

This is exactly the reactionary judgmental mindset that will never be able to understand context. And I resent the fact that you would call me a rapist. There is no place for that here.

A-ha! So you're not denying you're a rapist, just resentful of being called one. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[penchief]

Surprise. The Pedo State homers have arrived to remind us of what a swell guy he was (when he wasn't brushing child rape under the rug).

Disclaimer: I am not defending Paterno's failure to do more regarding the McQueary incident. My fault for not continuing to post this disclaimer after my first three posts.

However, I am not trying to do what you claim. Just trying to interject a little context. I understand how difficult it is for some people to ponder things that challenge their knee-jerk conclusions.

[Pioli Zombie]

Children aren't valued. If people knew a guy at work was raping women you can be damn sure people would do something about it.

[penchief]

A-ha! So you're not denying you're a rapist, just resentful of being called one. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You're an idiot. Maybe you should read my posts fro start to finish. It would be nice if you could carry on an intelligent discussion. But I guess that would require some intelligence on your part.

[jspchief]

Just a heads up, putting bullshit "disclaimers" in front of all your posts defending JoPedo isn't fooling anyone.

[Pioli Zombie]

You're an idiot. Maybe you should read my posts fro start to finish. It would be nice if you could carry on an intelligent discussion. But I guess that would require some intelligence on your part.

Still no denial. I resent you calling my intelligence in question. You may be smarter than I but at least im not a rapist! How old were these people when you visciously raped them? (Does he get it yet im messing with him?)

[penchief]

If I'm only suspicious that a child molestor is around my program, then I'm going to be aggressive in following up.

He states in his interview (I'm parphrasing) that he didn't know what to do, but that he reported it to his superiors and thought that was enough.

What I took away from the interview is that he never followed up.

And the one thing I am going to do regardless is ban Sandusky from any activity on campus.

Don't disagree. I think the university did take away his keys to the locker room after that incident.

[jbwm89]

Don't disagree. I think the university did take away his keys to the locker room after that incident.

Almost makes it worse, taking away his keys means that the university understood what was going on and still failed to fire/ban/report him to the authorities.

[Pioli Zombie]

Don't disagree. I think the university did take away his keys to the locker room after that incident.

Oh boy! They took away the keys to the locker room!!!!! What bloodhounds!!! And we thought Pedophile State didn't care.

[stonedstooge]

Almost makes it worse, taking away his keys means that the university understood what was going on and still failed to fire/ban/report him to the authorities.

I think he was still hosting activities on campus in the spring of last year. This was after the grand jury had met

[Pioli Zombie]

Again, if you know a coworker is raping women what do you do? It is your responsibility as a human being to do every you can to get that person ass in jail. But with children.......

[jspchief]

I think he was still hosting activities on campus in the spring of last year. This was after the grand jury had met

Yes but they took his keys. And all JoPa's players and Pedo State fans think he's super duper great.

/Pedochief

[penchief]

Still no denial. I resent you calling my intelligence in question. You may be smarter than I but at least im not a rapist! How old were these people when you visciously raped them? (Does he get it yet im messing with him?)

Why should I respond to a false accusation? Are you still beating your wife?

However, your posting history suggests that your personality is one that is prone to sexual abuse of others.

[Pioli Zombie]

Im sorry Mrs Smith that coach Sandusky buttfuck your son in the shower but we are taking swift actions. We are taking away his keys.

[chiefzilla1501]

Again, if you know a coworker is raping women what do you do? It is your responsibility as a human being to do every you can to get that person ass in jail. But with children.......

It's not that cut and dry.

Unfortunately, a lot of crimes by powerful people within a company go unreported. We have, unfortunately, built a system where powerful people can really ruin your life if you do the right thing. Magnify that 1,000 times when you're talking about an elite football program, with a nation full of boosters and irrational fans who will put your head on a stake if you dared to do anything to mess with the program.

I used to be a HUGE JoePa fan. But I have a hugely negative opinion of him now. Of all the people in this whole mess, he was the one with the power to actually do something about this without any consequence. He chose the reputation of his school and the protection of his friend over a child's safety.

[Pioli Zombie]

Penchief becoming unraveled. Ooooh im attracted to young women. He ACTIVELY defends violent rapists. Whatever

[penchief]

Oh boy! They took away the keys to the locker room!!!!! What bloodhounds!!! And we thought audiophile State didn't care.

I'm not justifying it. I'm only responding to Milkman's post. So don't project a motive onto my responses. You need to view my posts in their entirety. I know context is difficult for your but for your own sake of understanding, maybe you should try harder.

[jbwm89]

It's not that cut and dry.

I used to be a HUGE JoePa fan. But I have a hugely negative opinion of him now. Of all the people in this whole mess, he was the one with the power to actually do something about this without any consequence. He chose the reputation of his school and the protection of his friend over a child's safety.

I agree, and people try to make it seem like not that big of a deal by adding "context", or claiming that everyone has lapses in judgment.

Joepa made a calculated, conscious decision over a number of years to continue allow children to be subject to sexual abuse/rape. The details make no difference, his past accomplishments make no difference. You cannot convince me that he was a good person, or that his good accomplishments outweigh his bad ones.

[FloridaMan88]

From a strictly football perspective, I've always thought of Paterno as an overrated head coach.

He coached at Penn State for 40+ years and only has two national championships to show for that long tenure.

He sat on a gold mine of recruiting talent in Pennsylvania, not to mention the Northeast, and frankly has little to show for it.

[penchief]

Penchief becoming unraveled. Ooooh im attracted to young women. He ACTIVELY defends violent rapists. Whatever

Hardly coming unraveled. Which rapist am I actively defending?

As far as your posting personality, it says more about you than my refusal to respond to your false accusations do about me.

[Pioli Zombie]

It is cut and dry. Penn State was not Nazi Germany. If it was known a violent child molestor was in their midst and nobody made it stop its a pile of shit University and Paterno was the biggest pile of shit of them all because it was stated, it would have easiest on him to blow the whistle and come away unscathed, in fact, he'd be seen as a hero for putting a child/children ahead of fucking football.

[Easy 6]

It is cut and dry. Penn State was not Nazi Germany. If it was known a violent child molestor was in their midst and nobody made it stop its a pile of shit University and Paterno was the biggest pile of shit of them all because it was stated, it would have easiest on him to blow the whistle and come away unscathed, in fact, he'd be seen as a hero for putting a child/children ahead of ****ing football.

/the end

[Pioli Zombie]

Oh for fucks sake, Penchief I wasn't calling you a rapist. I was fucking with you by insinuating you wefe a rapist. Im sorry if it came across as I was really calling you a rapist when I have zero evidence that you actually are a rapist. I will stop saying anything that makes anyone think im implying you have been or ever will be a rapist, ok?

[jspchief]

So what's penchiefs official title with 2nd mile?

On the board of directors? Or just a big "booster"?

[Pioli Zombie]

They took his keys to the locker room way!!!!!!

[chiefzilla1501]

From a strictly football perspective, I've always thought of Paterno as an overrated head coach.

He coached at Penn State for 40+ years and only has two national championships to show for that long tenure.

He sat on a gold mine of recruiting talent in Pennsylvania, not to mention the Northeast, and frankly has little to show for it.

Overrated? You're crazy.

You can't rely on statistics.

Wikipedia says it best:
"Paterno has led Penn State to two national championships (1982 and 1986) and five undefeated, untied seasons (1968, 1969, 1973, 1986, and 1994). Four of his unbeaten teams (1968, 1969, 1973, and 1994) won major bowl games and were not awarded a national championship."

Paterno is easily the greatest college football coach that ever lived. It's just a shame he made some really stupid decisions at the end of that run.

[Pioli Zombie]

"Penn State rocks!" -Ben Roethlisburger

[Pioli Zombie]

The Penn State fight song should be "Honey Don't" *
* obscure "The Prince of Tides" reference and if you get this im impressed

[penchief]

So what's penchiefs official title with 2nd mile?

On the board of directors? Or just a big "booster"?

I can see that trying to be reasonable is a lost cause.....

[luv]

I can see that trying to be reasonable is a lost cause.....

You're opposing popular opinion. Have you not been on here long enough to know just to let people rant? You fight it, then you feed the rant and become a part of it. In this case, I would just walk away. You stated your peace.

[Pioli Zombie]

I can see that trying to defend people who protect rapists is a lost cause.....

Fixed your post

[penchief]

Paterno is easily the greatest college football coach that ever lived. It's just a shame he made some really stupid decisions at the end of that run.

"You must be a rapist!" - setsuna/Pioli Zombie.

[Pioli Zombie]

No, Penschief, Chiefzilla was talking about football, you were defending Paterno protecting a rapist.

[chiefzilla1501]

I would also bring up that it's a shame that this dialogue is turning into a "one bad egg" sort of deal.

While this is obviously an extreme case, it'd be ridiculous to think these kinds of cover-ups don't happen all the time in the NCAA. Everyone involved at PSU should be prosecuted and probably will. But once again, the NCAA will be allowed to run their corrupt organization where teams have learned how to become very good at cheating.

[penchief]

Fixed your post

Not defending that at all. But since you have so much more knowledge and information than the rest of us regarding what Paterno knew, I'll let you be the judge, jury, and executionor.

[penchief]

No, Penschief, Chiefzilla was talking about football, you were defending Paterno protecting a rapist.

No. Reading comprehension is important. He said that Paterno made some really stupid decisions at the end. I have stated from the beginning that Paterno should have done more. And that I was not defending his failure to do more. They were stupid decisions.

Only a few of you who have no sense are accusing me of defending him for protecting a rapist. I'm simply stating the same thing that Chiefzilla said. It's a shame that alll the good he did off the field has to be condemned because of some stupid decisions he made at the end.

[SAUTO]

Wow I didn't realize pioli zombie is cancer in real life.
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[milkman]

Paterno is easily the greatest college football coach that ever lived. It's just a shame he made some really stupid decisions at the end of that run.

Sandusky did an interview where he talks about all the good he has done for children.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that all the children he contributed time to benefitted from his program, and that the boy that McQuery saw with was his one and only victim.

Does that make his one crime less heinous?

I would also bring up that it's a shame that this dialogue is turning into a "one bad egg" sort of deal.

While this is obviously an extreme case, it'd be ridiculous to think these kinds of cover-ups don't happen all the time in the NCAA. Everyone involved at PSU should be prosecuted and probably will. But once again, the NCAA will be allowed to run their corrupt organization where teams have learned how to become very good at cheating.

Comparing competitive cheating to creating an envirionment that enabled a pedo?

Really?

[Otter]

RIP JoPa

Best wishes to family.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Is he alive yet?

[Otter]

Is he alive yet?

No, he passed about an hour ago.

[Pioli Zombie]

Not defending that at all. But since you have so much more knowledge and information than the rest of us regarding what Paterno knew, I'll let you be the judge, jury, and executionor.

Sure penchief, its just me, im the only one taking this stance.

[jspchief]

RIP JoPa

Best wishes to family.

Yeah. Rest in the same peace of the victims that you didn't prevent.

[Otter]

Yeah. Rest in the same peace of the victims that you didn't prevent.

whatever makes you feel better...

[Pioli Zombie]

No. Reading comprehension is important. He said that Paterno made some really stupid decisions at the end. I have stated from the beginning that Paterno should have done more. And that I was not defending his failure to do more. They were stupid decisions.

Only a few of you who have no sense are accusing me of defending him for protecting a rapist. I'm simply stating the same thing that Chiefzilla said. It's a shame that alll the good he did off the field has to be condemned because of some stupid decisions he made at the end.

Yeah its just a few measly child rapes over the course of many years. It can hardly compare to all the football games he won.

[jspchief]

whatever makes you feel better...

The guy enabled a pedophile. What would make me feel better is him burning in hell with a hot poker shaped like Sandusky's dick in his ass.

[chiefzilla1501]

Sandusky did an interview where he talks about all the good he has done for children.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that all the children he contributed time to benefitted from his program, and that the boy that McQuery saw with was his one and only victim.

Does that make his one crime less heinous?
Not sure what your point is. I'm talking about football vs. personal. As a football coach, Paterno is the best college football coach to ever live. As a person, his legacy is tarnished and it should be. I said above that Paterno didn't do nearly enough and, of all people, I believe he was in the best position of power to do something.

Comparing competitive cheating to creating an envirionment that enabled a pedo?

Really?
Absolutely. College football programs today are all about learning to bend the rules without getting caught, and doing everything you can to keep your competitive advantage. Sneaking money under the table, covering up rape/assault/etc... so you can keep your player in a bowl game... JoePa has defended criminal players in the past. There is little to gain in college football by acting ethically. I've said before that I believe the line between right and wrong in college football is so blurred, and everyone within the system has crossed the line in the wrong way so many times, that you have to wonder if it's desensitized people. To the point where you get mad at victims who might dare to derail your program, instead of getting mad at the asshole who did it to the victim. And it's created a really bad power structure where you have a few powerful people who run the show, and so help you god if you step in their path.

And it's not just the school officials. It's the fans too. How many times do we defend rapists and murderers and thieves because, god forbid, they get caught and have to miss 4 important games? We're seeing that in Penn State. We're seeing fans defend an absolutely ungodly act. We're seeing alumni, maybe even legal authorities helping with the cover up.

Penn State needs to be prosecuted to high hell for this. But it doesn't change the fact that throughout the NCAA, colleges are forced to do the wrong thing all the time because it's the only way to stay competitive.

[milkman]

Bottom line for me is this.

Regardless of whatever else he did that I believe to be wrong, the thing that makes him a despicable character in this, and erases any good he did throughout the rest if his career, is the fact that he continued to allow Sanduskey access to campus, which allowed Sandusky continued access to children, even after he was made aware of inappropriate contact between Sandusky and a child.

At the end of the day, he enabled a suspected pedo.

[milkman]

Not sure what your point is. I'm talking about football vs. personal. As a football coach, Paterno is the best college football coach to ever live. As a person, his legacy is tarnished and it should be. I said above that Paterno didn't do nearly enough and, of all people, I believe he was in the best position of power to do something.


Absolutely. College football programs today are all about learning to bend the rules without getting caught, and doing everything you can to keep your competitive advantage. Sneaking money under the table, covering up rape/assault/etc... so you can keep your player in a bowl game... JoePa has defended criminal players in the past. There is little to gain in college football by acting ethically. I've said before that I believe the line between right and wrong in college football is so blurred, and everyone within the system has crossed the line in the wrong way so many times, that you have to wonder if it's desensitized people. To the point where you get mad at victims who might dare to derail your program, instead of getting mad at the asshole who did it to the victim. And it's created a really bad power structure where you have a few powerful people who run the show, and so help you god if you step in their path.

And it's not just the school officials. It's the fans too. How many times do we defend rapists and murderers and thieves because, god forbid, they get caught and have to miss 4 important games? We're seeing that in Penn State. We're seeing fans defend an absolutely ungodly act. We're seeing alumni, maybe even legal authorities helping with the cover up.

Penn State needs to be prosecuted to high hell for this. But it doesn't change the fact that throughout the NCAA, colleges are forced to do the wrong thing all the time because it's the only way to stay competitive.

I have tried to stay away from insults here, but god damn, you're a fucking moron.

[Otter]

The guy enabled a audiophile. What would make me feel better is him burning in hell with a hot poker shaped like Sandusky's dick in his ass.

You're looking for an argument. Look elsewhere.

[whoman69]

I certainly don't want to defend Paterno and his actions, but the level of vehemence against him is insane. He was the face of the university, but that doesn't mean all the hate should be directed towards him. I'd say in the scheme of things he is certainly less guilty than Sandusky. He's less guilty than the supervisors that did not report abuses to the university or police that were witnessed by 2 janitors a full two years before the McQueery incident. He's less guilty than McQueery who didn't report his first hand eyewitness to the police. From the testimony McQueery underplayed the incident when it was brought up to the AD and university VP after Paterno kicked it up the chain. Still in all that nobody called the police. Nobody did the right thing at the university or 2nd mile.

[jspchief]

You're looking for an argument. Look elsewhere.

I don't know about an argument, but I am looking to express my disgust at the people that continue to respect this piece of trash in spite of what he didn't do.

[luv]

Right or wrong, does age count in anything? He was, after all 85 years old. It started 10 years ago? Okay, so he was 75 years old. He grew up in a time when things were swept under the rug or if no one knew about it then it didn't happen. I think part of his position would have just been being naive to such things. He was football. He was university. This would have (and has) hurt the university. Not saying this makes him innocent, but I think it's probably a factor.

[Baby Lee]

Bottom line for me is this.

Regardless of whatever else he did that I believe to be wrong, the thing that makes him a despicable character in this, and erases any good he did throughout the rest if his career, is the fact that he continued to allow Sanduskey access to campus, which allowed Sandusky continued access to children, even after he was made aware of inappropriate contact between Sandusky and a child.

At the end of the day, he enabled a suspected pedo.

The question I have, and cannot answer, is; does the good this supposedly erases suggest that he was a despicable person who erected this massive wall of 'good works' to mask his despicability? Or does it suggest he failed to appreciate the import of what had been relayed to him?

Does anyone REALLY think Paterno made a conscious decision that "hey, I'll bet my reputation is bigger than a little anal rape, let's see how it plays out over the next decade."

[ClevelandBronco]

Unfortunately, a lot of crimes by powerful people within a company go unreported. We have, unfortunately, built a system where powerful people can really ruin your life if you do the right thing...

Powerful people can only ruin your career. But a man who fails to do everything possible to stop something this evil risks the loss of everything he should be at the core of his being. If a man fails to act fully in a situation such as this, that should ruin his life.

And in either case, the ruin to the witness pales in comparison to the ruin being wreaked in the lives of the victims.

Sometimes a man just has to do the right thing regardless of the consequences.

[chiefzilla1501]

I have tried to stay away from insults here, but god damn, you're a ****ing moron.

Maybe try explaining why....

Are you going to seriously tell me that elite schools don't cover up sexual assaults, rapes, thefts, etc... all the time (player or coaches)? And that when it happens enough, you become desensitized to how bad these things really are and immediately react by trying to figure out how to cover it up (rather than "how do I do the right thing for the victim"?) Or that building a culture of cheating, bending the rules, and doing the wrong thing builds a mentality among all employees that it's better to protect the program than to do the right thing?

What's the argument here? When you work for a organization bent on bending the rules, why should we act surprised when their powerful people do the wrong things?

[jspchief]

The question I have, and cannot answer, is; does the good this supposedly erases suggest that he was a despicable person who erected this massive wall of 'good works' to mask his despicability? Or does it suggest he failed to appreciate the import of what had been relayed to him?

Does anyone REALLY think Paterno made a conscious decision that "hey, I'll bet my reputation is bigger than a little anal rape, let's see how it plays out over the next decade."

By many reports Paterno had a sizeable ego and was very conscious of his legacy. We'll likely never know his motivation for not doing more.

One real problem I have is the "little old man" defense. The guy was capable of running a successful major NCAA football program. I find suggestions that his age is a defense ridiculous.

Strictly my opinion, but I believe the entire program knew more than has been told. There are so many stories of Sandusky getting caught, I find it impossible to believe that we've heard of every occasion. The more likely truth is that many coaches, faculty, and even wives had heard enough rumblings to know there was some basis. While their silence may not have been motivated by outright malice or even indifference, it probably was motivated by selfishness.

[milkman]

Right or wrong, does age count in anything? He was, after all 85 years old. It started 10 years ago? Okay, so he was 75 years old. He grew up in a time when things were swept under the rug or if no one knew about it then it didn't happen. I think part of his position would have just been being naive to such things. He was football. He was university. This would have (and has) hurt the university. Not saying this makes him innocent, but I think it's probably a factor.

The question I have, and cannot answer, is; does the good this supposedly erases suggest that he was a despicable person who erected this massive wall of 'good works' to mask his despicability? Or does it suggest he failed to appreciate the import of what had been relayed to him?

Does anyone REALLY think Paterno made a conscious decision that "hey, I'll bet my reputation is bigger than a little anal rape, let's see how it plays out over the next decade."

That leads me back to something I said earlier.

At some point, if you believe age factors in judgement, then as a responsible institution, you have to remove a person from that kind of position of responsibility.

I realize this skirts on age descrimnation, but states and large corporartions have mandatory retirement ages.

Need to do the same at these institutions of higher learning, whether it's a state college or a private school.

[chiefzilla1501]

Powerful people can only ruin your career. But a man who fails to do everything possible to stop something this evil risks the loss of everything he should be at the core of his being. If a man fails to act fully in a situation such as this, that should ruin his life.

And in either case, the ruin to the witness pales in comparison to the ruin being wreaked in the lives of the victims.

Sometimes a man just has to do the right thing regardless of the consequences.

I've said before that I bet McQueary is forever scarred by this. He is a coward for sure. But you can't undermine that it was a lose-lose for him. If I'm McQueary and I rat on Paterno, I worry about the safety of my family and kids. We saw how unreasonable and violent fans can become when it comes to their own team. I know that my career is over. And you have no idea what goes on in those power circles. Was there a reason to believe his life would be in danger? Etc....

He's a coward for not doing the right things. But again, I think we have to be sensitive to how powerful he was to actually do anything and to what the consequences would have been if he did. Why do you think corporations are starting to install anonymous tip lines? I know he did the wrong thing, but I sympathize with him to a small degree.

I don't have any sympathy for JoePa or any of the crooked guys up top who defended this animal.

[milkman]

Maybe try explaining why....

Are you going to seriously tell me that elite schools don't cover up sexual assaults, rapes, thefts, etc... all the time (player or coaches)? And that when it happens enough, you become desensitized to how bad these things really are and immediately react by trying to figure out how to cover it up (rather than "how do I do the right thing for the victim"?) Or that building a culture of cheating, bending the rules, and doing the wrong thing builds a mentality among all employees that it's better to protect the program than to do the right thing?

What's the argument here? When you work for a organization bent on bending the rules, why should we act surprised when their powerful people do the wrong things?

You're a god damn moron because you are trying to justify defending Paterno by saying others do it.

I don't know how much others have done, but if they have covered up heinous crimes, then they are just as dispicable.

But please, enlighten me with all these stories of rape that have been covered up.

[Nickel D]

It's always the third time that's the charm.

[ClevelandBronco]

Right or wrong, does age count in anything? He was, after all 85 years old. It started 10 years ago? Okay, so he was 75 years old. He grew up in a time when things were swept under the rug or if no one knew about it then it didn't happen. I think part of his position would have just been being naive to such things. He was football. He was university. This would have (and has) hurt the university. Not saying this makes him innocent, but I think it's probably a factor.

Nope. He couldn't have been oblivious over the past couple of decades to the damage that has been done both by and against the Catholic Church. He knew that the environment had changed.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Disturbing comments from Paterno's last interview

Paterno: ‘I didn’t know exactly how to handle it’

Posted by John Taylor on January 14, 2012, 5:10 PM EST

In the weeks since the still-stunning dismissal was made official, supporters and detractors alike have been clamoring for deposed head coach Joe Paterno to give his side of the story, to begin to explain why he took the tack he did when he was first made aware of one of his trusted former assistants allegedly sodomizing a boy in football building shower.

For the first time since being fired Nov. 9, the legendary head coach has done just that. Somewhat. Sorta.

In an exclusive sit-down interview with the Washington Post‘s Sally Jenkins, Paterno, with his attorney in the room, addressed a wide range of issues and questions, from the aftermath of his ouster to his treatment for lung cancer to, yes, Jerry Sandusky.

The central question, though, the one that nearly everyone has on their mind, is a simple one: why? Why did Paterno, after turning over information he had received from a grad assistant — Mike McQueary, the Nittany Lions quarterbacks coach who has been a central figure in the case against Sandusky — that Sandusky was naked in a shower with a 10-year-old boy in 2002, do the bare minimum as legally required by law? Why did Paterno, the most powerful man at Penn State University regardless of title, not follow-up after handing the information over to his athletic director and president?

Nine years later, it appears Paterno is still struggling to answer those questions in his own head.

“I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”

Paterno went on to at least attempt to further explain to Jenkins why he didn’t pursue the matter further after handing over McQueary and his information to athletic director Tim Curley and another high-ranking university official.


Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”

He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.

“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.”

Paterno also hit on other topics…

•On his firing: “Whether it’s fair I don’t know, but they do it. You would think I ran the show here.” That statement comes courtesy of a man who, legend has it, chased Curley and then-president Graham Spanier out of his house several years ago when the two came to fire him. he was not fired.

•On how Sandusky was allowed to engage in his alleged deviant acts with young boys while going undetected: “I wish I knew. I don’t know the answer to that. It’s hard.” The premise of the question is absurd, of course, as several high-ranking members of the university were made aware of allegations involving Sandusky dating as far back as 1998.

•Paterno and his wife were in their nightclothes getting ready for bed on the night of Nov. 9 when there was a knock on the door. On the other side of the door was a university employee bearing a piece of paper and a name on it. Paterno dialed the number and the voice on the other end, vice trustees chairman John Surma, telling him “[i]n the best interests of the university, you are terminated.” Paterno’s irate wife Sue called the number back. “After 61 years he deserved better. He deserved better.”

•On why he waited until this interview, which was conducted Thursday and Friday, to speak out publicly: “I wanted everybody to settle down.”

•Paterno said he had “no inkling” that Sandusky might be a pedophile, and described their relationship as “professional, not social” due to the fact that his former assistant “was a lot younger than me.”

•Paterno said he told Sandusky that he couldn’t spend the time with his children’s charity — The Second Mile, which he allegedly used as a “recruiting ground” for victims — if he wanted to also become a head coach. Paterno maintained that Sandusky retired in 1998 after being told he would not become Paterno’s successor at Penn State. Sandusky was urged by Paterno to take the 30-year retirement package being offered by the school.

•Paterno claims he was unaware of an incident in 1998 in which Sandusky allegedly molested a boy in a shower. Curley as well as police were aware of the incident, and it was investigated before it was decided charges would not be pursued. ”You know it wasn’t like it was something everybody in the building knew about,” Paterno said of the 1998 incident. “Nobody knew about it.”

•Paterno would not pass judgment on Sandusky’s guilt or innocence. “I think we got to wait and see what happens. The courts are taking care of it, the legal system is taking care of it.” If Sandusky is found guilty? ”I’m sick about it.”

Other than being his first post-firing interview, Jenkins’ exceptionally written piece did not, as somewhat expected, plow much new ground. Perhaps the most fascinating — and sad on multiple levels — aspect of the interview was the conversation turning to the victims of Sandusky’s alleged sexual abuse and Paterno and his wife personalizing it into what their reactions would’ve been if it had involved a member of their own family.


The Paternos say they think about the real potential victims every time they look at their own children. “I got three boys and two girls,” Paterno said. “It’s sickening.” His knee-jerk response is to go back to Flatbush. “Violence is not the way to handle it,” he said. “But for me, I’d get a bunch of guys and say let’s go punch somebody in the nose.” Sue Paterno is more blunt. “If someone touched my child, there wouldn’t be a trial, I would have killed them,” she said. “That would be my attitude, because you have destroyed someone for life.”

In other words, if Paterno had received the same information he did in 2002, but “10-year-old boy” was replaced with “great-grandson”, jeopardizing university procedures would have been the last thing on the former coach’s mind and someone would have paid for whatever happened in that on-campus shower. Instead, the bare minimum was done for somebody’s else’s child.

It has been stated multiple times in the past couple of months that Paterno has been wanting to get his side of the story out, that he wanted to address the situation in his own words. To some degree, he did just that, although if someone were a supporter or a detractor coming in, that’s likely where they still stand upon finishing the interview.

For me, it merely served as yet another reminder of how sad and disturbing and disgusting this whole sordid situation remains. And how it could’ve been stopped in 2002, sparing several innocent victims from the actions of an alleged pedophile.

[luv]

That leads me back to something I said earlier.

At some point, if you believe age factors in judgement, then as a responsible institution, you have to remove a person from that kind of position of responsibility.

I realize this skirts on age descrimnation, but states and large corporartions have mandatory retirement ages.

Need to do the same at these institutions of higher learning, whether it's a state college or a private school.

This I definitely agree with.

[vailpass]

What is the going ratio for children you allowed to be raped for good works done for the community?

Drop dead.

[Setsuna]

completely agree, lets not call each other rapists.

Shut up bitch.

[Pioli Zombie]

In his negative rep Vailpass tells me "JoePa has done more good in his life than you ever will" I can just picture Vailpass crying like a little girl as he typed it. Yeah, I haven't sat by letting little kids get fucked up the ass when I could have done something about you little bitch.

[listopencil]

Sometimes a man just has to do the right thing regardless of the consequences.

^

[chiefzilla1501]

You're a god damn moron because you are trying to justify defending Paterno by saying others do it.

I don't know how much others have done, but if they have covered up heinous crimes, then they are just as dispicable.

But please, enlighten me with all these stories of rape that have been covered up.

When did I defend Paterno? I've said a million times that this is an extreme example and that he's the guy who deserves most of the blame.

But that shouldn't make us surprised that a powerful school with a powerful coach in a crooked NCAA that encourages crookedness and bad behavior gets caught up in something like this.

[Frazod]

I'm fairly disgusted with the sportsmedia talking up what a great guy he was. Sorry, that all went away for me when he turned a blind eye to this shit. God only knows how many lives have been destroyed because he more concerned with his image and the reputation of the school than doing the right thing.

I really don't care how many library books he donated if he thought his legacy was more important than his pet goon raping little boys.

Roast in hell, you dick-nosed bastard.

[jbwm89]

Drop dead.

It was a serious question, I'm curious how much good someone has to do for it to outweigh years of allowing children to be raped.

[Setsuna]

Did you read her post?

No. :deevee:

[gblowfish]

The Onion Chimes in:

Joe Paterno Dies In Hospital; Doctors Promise To Tell Their Superiors First Thing Tomorrow

[Rams Fan]

That leads me back to something I said earlier.

At some point, if you believe age factors in judgement, then as a responsible institution, you have to remove a person from that kind of position of responsibility.

I realize this skirts on age descrimnation, but states and large corporartions have mandatory retirement ages.

Need to do the same at these institutions of higher learning, whether it's a state college or a private school.

Didn't PSU want him to retire after the 2004 season?

[penchief]

Yeah its just a few measly child rapes over the course of many years. It can hardly compare to all the football games he won.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I have never once said a single thing about football. That was the guy who you just got done saying didn't deserve to be called a rapist because he was talking about the football side of Paterno. Make up your mind.

You either really do have reading comprehension problems or you are purposely ignoring what my posts are saying just so you can cast aspersions. If that is the case you are displaying a form of dishonesty. Either start reading what I'm actually posting or stop being dishonest.

[lewdog]

People are saying it's too early for Joe Paterno jokes. I guess we should all wait 10 years to say anything, just like he did.

[Setsuna]

People are saying it's too early for Joe Paterno jokes. I guess we should all wait 10 years to say anything, just like he did.

:LOL: Props

[vailpass]

People are saying it's too early for Joe Paterno jokes. I guess we should all wait 10 years to say anything, just like he did.

:lame:

[scho63]

NEWS FLASH: PATERNO STILL ALIVE-SPOTTED AT THE PIGGLY WIGGLY WITH FAT ELVIS. STORY AT ELEVEN

[FAX]

NEWS FLASH: PATERNO STILL ALIVE-SPOTTED AT THE PIGGLY WIGGLY WITH FAT ELVIS. STORY AT ELEVEN

That's not him. It's an impersonator dressed up to look like him.

A Faux Pa.

FAX

[scho63]

That's not him. It's an impersonator dressed up to look like him.

A Faux Pa.

FAX

Very clever! :thumb:

[Demonpenz]

Now the students away a white puff from a chimney to see who's next on the ass fucking list

[Pioli Zombie]

At Penn State what seperates the men from the boys? A crowbar.

[Valiant]

Guilty............
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/09/500x_custom_1283626901666_picture_65.jpg

[Pioli Zombie]

Paternos train should be pulling into Lucifer Station just about now

[vailpass]

Paternos train should be pulling into Lucifer Station just about now

Could you be any more of a tool? Stop with this stupid shit.

[Brock]

There's few things funnier than vailpass getting butthurt over jokes about newly-room-temperature people.

[Pioli Zombie]

Vailpass thinks Paterno a great guy.

[BigCatDaddy]

Vailpass thinks Paterno a great guy.

I'm surprised at the number of people that still admired the guy at the time of his passing. I really really want to like the guy as he seemed like a good dude, but I just can't ignore the fact the Sandusky was holding kiddie camps on campus 7 years after he first gained knowledge of what Sandusky was. It's disappointing but I'm afraid Joe wasn't what everyone thought he was.

[Bambi]

https://p.twimg.com/Aj89XCFCEAAaJR0.jpg:large

[Pioli Zombie]

A giant baby is fucking Paterno up the ass in Hell

[lewdog]

:lame:

What is lame is the guy who covered up what a child molester was doing.

I'm surprised at the number of people that still admired the guy at the time of his passing. I really really want to like the guy as he seemed like a good dude, but I just can't ignore the fact the Sandusky was holding kiddie camps on campus 7 years after he first gained knowledge of what Sandusky was. It's disappointing but I'm afraid Joe wasn't what everyone thought he was.

Exactly. I tried to like him when this first came out but you can't ignore the fact that he knew about this and knew justice was never served for all those years.

[Pioli Zombie]

Sale on Penn State Gear. Little boys pants half off.

[Pioli Zombie]

Penn State. We molest more kids before 9:00AM than most institutions do all day