Worst Coach in Franchise History

[whoman69]

To be fair I will list all coaches in our history except Bettis who was only here part of a season and Crennel, who has too short a history to judge yet. Feel free to rank them as well.

Poll forthcoming.

[bevischief]

In before poll...

[Lzen]

Herm.

[KurtCobain]

Herm.
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[KCrockaholic]

Probably Herm.

[whoman69]

In before poll...

Your mom will be so proud.

[FAX]

It's like a 7-way tie.

FAX

[Dayze]

Herm.

although, to be fair, I was too young to remember some of the early guys.


Herm flat-out sucked.

[SuperChief]

Herman Josephine Edwards.

[BigRichard]

I think Vermeil did the most damage by making the team so old.

[whoman69]

I think Vermeil did the most damage by making the team so old.

Because Vermeil was both coach and GM.

[KCrockaholic]

I think Vermeil did the most damage by making the team so old.

Vermeil was not the WORST coach in our franchises history. No he didn't set us up for future success. But he was a fine coach. Nor was he the GM.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Herm

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[Predarat]

I voted Gansz.

[Deberg_1990]

Gansz.

[Frazod]

Gotta go with Herm, although I hate Vermeil the most. He should be slow-roasted on a flaming AIDS tree forever for squandering that offense. :#

[FAX]

Really. We should be able to select more than one option.

Gantz won us 8 whole games. Wiggin came in with 11. Herm was horrible and I can't bear the thought of his dumb ass, but he brought in some talent.

I'm going with Gantz.

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[DJJasonp]

Herm.

I'm not sure Herm knows much of anything about being a head coach/gameplanner in the NFL.

[KCrockaholic]

Gotta go with Herm, although I hate Vermeil the most. He should be slow-roasted on a flaming AIDS tree forever for squandering that offense. :#

I don't understand what Vermeil did to squander the offense when he helped them become a top 3 squad for about 5 years.

[DJJasonp]

I don't understand what Vermeil did to squander the offense when he helped them become a top 3 squad for about 5 years.

He squandered it by allowing G-Rob to continue to run the defense and/or make questionable personnel decisions on that side of the ball

[Frazod]

I barely remember anybody before Marty. When I was a kid I was much more of a baseball fan than a football fan, and after I grew up and moved away it was pretty difficult to follow the team. That didn't really change until we signed Montana and became the flavor of the week for a couple of years.

[Frazod]

I don't understand what Vermeil did to squander the offense when he helped them become a top 3 squad for about 5 years.

He squandered the offense by coupling it with THE SHITTIEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.

With a merely bad defense that team wins at least one championship. As it was, we didn't even win a fucking playoff game.

[KCrockaholic]

He squandered it by allowing G-Rob to continue to run the defense and/or make questionable personnel decisions on that side of the ball

Vermeil didn't know shit about building a defense. Nor did he really care about it. But it doesn't explain how he squandered the offense. Which is kind of the comment I was responding too.

[KCrockaholic]

He squandered the offense by coupling it with THE SHITTIEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.

With a merely bad defense that team wins at least one championship. As it was, we didn't even win a ****ing playoff game.

Seems unfair to put the defensive personnel on Vermeil. Carl deserves as much or more flack for allowing it to happen. Still, my point is, Vermeil is far from the worst we've had. He knew how to motivate and coach football players. Herm only knew how to take a 20 minute walk outside and call it a day.

[Lex Luthor]

There is certainly room to criticize Vermeil for the horrible job he did with the defense. But to vote for him as worst coach in franchise history is the highest level of dumbassery.

[Frazod]

Seems unfair to put the defensive personnel on Vermeil. Carl deserves as much or more flack for allowing it to happen. Still, my point is, Vermeil is far from the worst we've had. He knew how to motivate and coach football players. Herm only knew how to take a 20 minute walk outside and call it a day.

Yeah, my bad, it's not like he was THE HEAD COACH or anything. :spock:

[KCrockaholic]

There is certainly room to criticize Vermeil for the horrible job he did with the defense. But to vote for him as worst coach in franchise history is the highest level of dumbassery.

Yeah, my bad, it's not like he was THE HEAD COACH or anything. :spock:

You're making us Mizzou fans look bad frazod. Your logic is terrible.

[jd1020]

Gansz was fired when I was 2. So I can't really speak for him but I also cant find shit about what he did besides suck. Herm sucked but his talent evaluation has a lot to do with where the Chiefs are today.

Gonna have to go with Gansz.

[Munson]

The worst coach, by far, was the Herminator.:banghead:

[KCrockaholic]

Gansz was fired when I was 2. So I can't really speak for him but I also cant find shit about what he did besides suck. Herm sucked but his talent evaluation has a lot to do with where the Chiefs are today.

Gonna have to go with Gansz.

Yeah Herm's a great scout. That's well known and obvious.

But his coaching methods are the worst I've seen in Chiefs red.

[Frazod]

You're making us Mizzou fans look bad frazod. Your logic is terrible.

No, it's not terrible. What Vermeil did is like having the fastest car and the best driver in a race, but losing because he forgot to fill the tank up with gas. It's inexcusable.

Vermeil was half a coach. Still makes him better than Herm, who sucked at everything. But that doesn't excuse the steaming pile of fail he shit upon us.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Marty. It sucked having your soul ripped from you every year

[KCrockaholic]

Oh fuck you Knomo. I see what you did there.

[oldandslow]

Gansz...and to me it really isn't even close. Just a terrible HC.

[dedicatedfan]

Herm for sure. Playing to not lose doesn't work in the playoffs or any other game for that matter. The only playoff game he coached while at KC was an absolute trainwreck. Conservative and predictable plays never win the big games.

[alpha_omega]

Wiggin

[jd1020]

Yeah Herm's a great scout. That's well known and obvious.

But his coaching methods are the worst I've seen in Chiefs red.

He was bad but he was also useful. Gansz was a career ST coach other than his brief stint as Chiefs HC and went 4-11 and 4-11-1.

[KCrockaholic]

Awesome that nobody has picked Haley yet.

I wish him well in Pittsburgh even though I hate that team.

[L.A. Chieffan]

You should put up their postseason records. That would be fun.

[Frazod]

Awesome that nobody has picked Haley yet.

I wish him well in Pittsburgh even though I hate that team.

Haley was hamstrung by the unholy triumverate of Clark, Pioli and Cassel. Bill Walsh couldn't have overcome that shit.

[KCrockaholic]

He was bad but he was also useful. Gansz was a career ST coach other than his brief stint as Chiefs HC and went 4-11 and 4-11-1.

Herm took us to our worst season in franchise history. Had a 4-12 season followed up by a 2-14 season. Players were out of shape and didn't know the plays. Were never challenged mentally or physically with Herm.

[Coogs]

Gunther.

Team quit on him inside of two years. Signed players not because of talent, but because they wore short sleeves in the cold... crap like that. But the team shutting it down... :shake:

BTW, this is not a ringing endorsement for some of the other guys either.

[Valiant]

I voted herm because those teams could of been more with a dumbfuck leading them.

Never saw the older teams.

[Frazod]

Gunther.

Team quit on him inside of two years. Signed players not because of talent, but because they wore short sleeves in the cold... crap like that. But the team shutting it down... :shake:

BTW, this is not a ringing endorsement for some of the other guys either.

Gun was 4-0 against Denver. He'll always get a pass in my book for that reason.

[Coogs]

Gun was 4-0 against Denver. He'll always get a pass in my book for that reason.

That's fine.This list is pretty crappy at several spots.

[Lzen]

Anyone who voted for Stram or Schottenheimer is a moron.

[DeezNutz]

Vermeil, because Carl allowed it, set this franchise back about five years. He's easily one of the worst hires in franchise history and very culpable for an impressive level of suck for years to come.

Haley is, bar none, the worst game day coach in franchise history.

[KCrockaholic]

Anyone who voted for Stram or Schottenheimer is a moron.

Milkman'll be here in a second.

[FAX]

I don't know how you can say that Haley was a worse gameday coach than Herm.

Remember those pre-halftime white flags?

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[L.A. Chieffan]

Anyone who voted for Stram or Schottenheimer is a moron.

Yeah sure was awesome losing in the playoffs every year.

[DeezNutz]

I don't know how you can say that Haley was a worse gameday coach than Herm.

Remember those pre-halftime white flags?

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That Palko was waving?

[KCrockaholic]

Yeah sure was awesome losing in the playoffs every year.

Was a lot better than losing NOT in the playoffs every year.

[Lzen]

Yeah sure was awesome losing in the playoffs every year.

I understand that he was bad in the playoffs. But the guy could coach. I don't know why he always choked in the playoffs. I don't care what anyone says. I would much rather have that than have 3 or 4 win seasons.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Was a lot better than losing NOT in the playoffs every year.

I bet Antonio Salieri is your favorite composer.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I understand that he was bad in the playoffs. But the guy could coach. I don't know why he always choked in the playoffs. I don't care what anyone says. I would much rather have that than have 3 or 4 win seasons.

Sure, why not? False hope is awesome

[Frazod]

Anyone who voted for Stram or Schottenheimer is a moron.

Chargers troll and Donx troll. :D

[KCrockaholic]

I bet Antonio Salieri is your favorite composer.

I bet you lick Matt Cassel's taint.

[FAX]

That Palko was waving?

No, no, no ...

Honestly, I've blacked out much of the Herm years, so I only have a vague memory of those games, at best. But, I seem to recall times ... like in that one playoff debacle ... where we just sort of folded up the offensive playcalling with about 2.5 minutes left in the half.

Remember that stuff?

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[L.A. Chieffan]

I bet you lick Matt Cassel's taint.

You will be too when we start out 6-0.

[KCrockaholic]

You will be too when we start out 6-0.

If we start 6-0 I'll suck my own cock.

Wait...

I need to ask someone how that worked out first.

[38yrsfan]

It's like a 7-way tie.

FAX

How true.

I thought of Ganz right off, not sure why I didn't think about Edwards, kind of forgot about him .....

[Titty Meat]

Gansz

[Titty Meat]

Vermeil, because Carl allowed it, set this franchise back about five years. He's easily one of the worst hires in franchise history and very culpable for an impressive level of suck for years to come.

Haley is, bar none, the worst game day coach in franchise history.

No.

[DeezNutz]

No, no, no ...

Honestly, I've blacked out much of the Herm years, so I only have a vague memory of those games, at best. But, I seem to recall times ... like in that one playoff debacle ... where we just sort of folded up the offensive playcalling with about 2.5 minutes left in the half.

Remember that stuff?

FAX

Was it against Baltimore? :evil:

We're judging turds here, unfortunately. If someone prefers the girth and stench of Haley's to Herm's, cool. They're both shit.

[DeezNutz]

No.

We respect your right to be wrong.

4-8-28.

[Stewie]

I voted Wiggin. I was just starting to get into football when he became head coach. Just awful.

[Fritz88]

I am going with Haley.

Just for starting Palko.

I will never forgive him for that.

[KCrockaholic]

I am going with Haley.

Just for starting Palko.

I will never forgive him for that.

I honestly thought it was funny. He knew he was going to be fired at the end of the year. Apparently Pioli wanted to fired him after 2010 but couldn't because they won the division. I truly feel like starting Palko was just a big FU to Pioli and Clark.

[FAX]

I would like to know ... someday ... why Stanzi never got a chance.

Palko was damn bad, that's for sure.

FAX

[DeezNutz]

I honestly thought it was funny. He knew he was going to be fired at the end of the year. Apparently Pioli wanted to fired him after 2010 but couldn't because they won the division. I truly feel like starting Palko was just a big FU to Pioli and Clark.

Hmm...we, apparently, have very different views on humor.

[KCrockaholic]

Hmm...we, apparently, have very different views on humor.

I only say it was funny on behalf of Haley. The way he was treated, or at least felt he was treated is bullshit. We all know Pioli is an egomaniac asshole. And to see a head coach just basically tell the management to shove it up their ass by playing the absolute obvious WORST option is funny IMO. Yeah it's our team. I hate seeing the Chiefs lose, but I can completely understand Haley's point of view also.

I would've done the exact same thing if I was put in his situation. If I knew I would be fired by years end anyways, why not just say '**** this franchise' and screw them over.

[DeezNutz]

If I knew I would be fired by years end anyways, why not just say '**** this franchise' and screw them over.

Professionalism? Personal ethics? Selfless commitment to the players under your watch?

[FAX]

Yeah ... there's no excuse for tanking the season just because you're on Pioli's hate list.

There's also the issue of why start Palko at all ... rather than Stanzi, I mean. Orton, I can understand. It takes more than a few days to prepare for a different offense. But Stanzi? It makes no sense.

I'm about 99.9% sure that the Steelers asked Haley about this and he must have offered a plausible reason. I don't think you get re-hired in the NFL anywhere if you have been known to purposefully tank a season just because your feelings are hurt or your phone is bugged or somebody is constantly following you around everywhere you go with an Oreck.

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[whoman69]

I voted Wiggin. I was just starting to get into football when he became head coach. Just awful.

You just don't like those pants he used to wear.

[WhiteWhale]

I don't know how you can say that Haley was a worse gameday coach than Herm.

Remember those pre-halftime white flags?

FAX

Herm is the worst game-day coach ever. I only need one game to prove this, and I will prove it. Herm, in one game, did something no other coach I can recall has ever been stupid enough to do. I will never forget it. A 9 year old with experience in playing Madden could manage the clock better than Edwards. Here is the play by play of Herm likely snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:

Link to game : http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008110204/2008/REG9/buccaneers@chiefs#tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Sequence in question:

1-10- (1:50) (Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass short middle to 34-E.Graham to KC 43 for 7 yards (91-T.Hali, 55-P.Thomas).

2-3-KC 43 (1:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass incomplete deep middle to 84-J.Galloway (44-J.Page).

3-3-KC 43 (1:16) (Shotgun) 22-C.Smith up the middle to KC 33 for 10 yards (49-B.Pollard).

1-10-KC 33 (:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass short middle to 89-A.Bryant to KC 19 for 14 yards (34-T.Brackenridge).

1-10-KC 19 (:33) 7-J.Garcia spiked the ball to stop the clock. PENALTY on TB-19-I.Hilliard, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at KC 19 - No Play.

Timeout #1 by KC at 00:25.

1-15-KC 24 (:25) (Shotgun) 7-J.Garcia pass deep left to 89-A.Bryant for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Timeout #2 by KC at 00:19.

TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. 7-J.Garcia pass to 81-A.Smith is complete. ATTEMPT SUCCEEDS. TB-81-A.Smith was injured during the play.

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Tampa bay had no time-outs. A false start is (I think) a 10 second run off but the clock keeps moving

By calling a time out we stopped the clock and allowed a rather crafty veteran draw a game winning play up on the sideline. Literally. Jeff Garcia drew the TD play up during the time-out. We used one of our time-outs to help them beat us.

This is how stupid he was. He did shit like this ALL THE TIME.

[FAX]

ROFL

I feel your pain, Mr. WhiteWhale. (By the way, did that old guy ever catch you?)

I agree. Herm was the worst of all times. I particularly liked that stupid-ass, blank look on his face like he had mainlined 20ccs of stupid juice right before kick-off. It made you want to walk up to him and slap him right across his shark-ass mug.

FAX

[WhiteWhale]

ROFL

I feel your pain, Mr. WhiteWhale. (By the way, did that old guy ever catch you?)

I agree. Herm was the worst of all times. I particularly liked that stupid-ass, blank look on his face like he had mainlined 20ccs of stupid juice right before kick-off. It made you want to walk up to him and slap him right across his shark-ass mug.

FAX

Ahab tries. I'll give him that much.

[Zebedee DuBois]

I am really torn here, between Cunningham, Herm, and Haley. The each had some serious deficiencies. Cunningham was clearly in over his head, Herm was perpetually mystified on game day, but Haley seemed almost to make stupid player decisions out of some sort of defiant stubborn stupidity. Maybe because his pain is the freshest, he gets my vote.

[O.city]

Too many times coaches try to outsmart everyone and end up outsmarting themselves when the rational normal thing that should have been done would have worked.

[whoman69]

I am still amazed that Herm kept his job losing the last 9 games in 2007. Almost as amazing is that he started the next season 1-10 and Clark wanted Pioli to consider keeping him on. He set a franchise record with 12 consecutive losses, had a historic streak of 19 games with only one win, and ended the season with another franchise worst 14 losses. Not even Gansz was that bad. The Chiefs were historically bad while Herm was here. He killed two franchises. He ended his Jets career losing 9 of his last 11 games. He was so conservative on offense, he looked like he was coaching back in the 70s. You can't wait until the 4th quarter to finally stop running the draw play on 3rd and 8 every time.

[FAX]

Too many times coaches try to outsmart everyone and end up outsmarting themselves when the rational normal thing that should have been done would have worked.

Well, I can only say this about that; Herm had one heck of a long, dry road to walk trying to outsmart somebody.

FAX

[WhiteWhale]

Well, I can only say this about that; Herm had one heck of a long, dry road to walk trying to outsmart somebody.

FAX

Yeah, but the bar isn't very high.

All he has to do is outsmart himself.

[Al Bundy]

I remember Gansz.. he was so much worse than any of the other coaches.

[spanky 52]

I voted Gansz.

You voted correctly. Can't believe somebody voted for Stram. He's the only coach to get us to and win a SB.

[KCrockaholic]

You voted correctly. Can't believe somebody voted for Stram. He's the only coach to get us to and win a SB.

That would be Knowshit and a douchebag Chargers fan.

[ModSocks]

Figured most of you would say Herm, but that's not really fair. Herm came in and took over a rebuilding project. Nearly all of Vermiel's team was cut and the roster was filled with nothing but rookies and a few 1-3 year guys at best. He had practically nothing to work with and brought in some of the best talent on the team today.

I'm going with Gansz. At least Herm did something positive for this team. WTF did Gansz ever do?

[KCrockaholic]

Figured most of you would say Herm, but that's not really fair. Herm came in and took over a rebuilding project. Nearly all of Vermiel's team was cut and the roster was filled with nothing but rookies and a few 1-3 year guys at best. He had practically nothing to work with and brought in some of the best talent on the team today.

I'm going with Gansz. At least Herm did something positive for this team. WTF did Gansz ever do?

I made my choice based purely on coaching aspects.

[bevischief]

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This.

[scho63]

I remember some of the abysmal talent we had as coaches over the last 42 years. Paul Wiggins was horrible, so was Gansz but he also had horrible talent.

I'm stunned how many people think Herm was the worst.

[13and3]

Herm because he is black and reminds us of barack obama.

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Hermines!!!! ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Pioli Zombie]

Mecca

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I remember the game in Denver that the Chiefs sat on the ball and played for OT...with the ball at midfield and like a minute left. Fucking retarded.

Was also the game when Huard caught his own pass and fumbled.

Just have to vote Herm.

[FAX]

I remember the game in Denver that the Chiefs sat on the ball and played for OT...with the ball at midfield and like a minute left. ****ing retarded.

Was also the game when Huard caught his own pass and fumbled.

Just have to vote Herm.

ROFL

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[el borracho]

Well, my football memory only goes to back to the late 80s, so anyone before that gets a pass. Starting with Schottenheimer on, Herm is easily the worst. In his two coaching stints, both teams trended downward each year. Amazing, really. Herm is the grim reaper of NFL franchises.

[Hammock Parties]

Haley was blown out more than any of them.

Truly awful.

[O.city]

Gunther was bad as he was a true fans dream.

[FAX]

A lot of guys can cover it up by using things like expressions and stuff. But, the truly interesting thing about Herm is that, standing on the sideline, he looks just as stupid as he actually is. That ain't easy.

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[Hammock Parties]

Well, my football memory only goes to back to the late 80s, so anyone before that gets a pass. Starting with Schottenheimer on, Herm is easily the worst. In his two coaching stints, both teams trended downward each year. Amazing, really. Herm is the grim reaper of NFL franchises.

That wasn't really Herm's fault, though. That was Vermeil's fault. He set the Chiefs up for incredible failure.

The only reason our franchise has had any success since Herm was fired is ironically because of the draft picks under his watch.

[KurtCobain]

Herm gave us all alot of freaking laugh. Combine his stupidity with a player named Mike Cox and you've got a riot.


Gansz is just a horrible record in a history book to me.
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[FAX]

That wasn't really Herm's fault, though. That was Vermeil's fault. He set the Chiefs up for incredible failure.

The only reason our franchise has had any success since Herm was fired is ironically because of the draft picks under his watch.

That's why I had to go with Gantz. At least we were able to acquire some real talent under Herm's watch ... or dumbfounded, blank stare ... whatever.

FAX

[KCrockaholic]

That wasn't really Herm's fault, though. That was Vermeil's fault. He set the Chiefs up for incredible failure.

The only reason our franchise has had any success since Herm was fired is ironically because of the draft picks under his watch.

Why is it always Vermeils fault when Carl Peterson was the GM? Isn't it his job to worry about the future and the head coaches job to worry about winning now?

[O.city]

Didn't Vermiel make it known that was the way he wanted to go?

[KCrockaholic]

Didn't Vermiel make it known that was the way he wanted to go?

Yeah. Of course he wanted to win now. But wasn't Carl Peterson the GM calling the shots and allowing it to happen?

[el borracho]

That wasn't really Herm's fault, though. That was Vermeil's fault. He set the Chiefs up for incredible failure.

The only reason our franchise has had any success since Herm was fired is ironically because of the draft picks under his watch.

Was it Vermeil's fault in New York, too? Or was that someone else's fault? Because Herm did the same thing to the Jets that he did to the Chiefs- more losses each successive year.

[O.city]

Oh I know but I just think Vermeil said that was basically the only way he was coming here.



Shitty thing about Vermeil is that if we could have had a decent defense, we could have won a championship or two.

[Messier]

I only say it was funny on behalf of Haley. The way he was treated, or at least felt he was treated is bullshit. We all know Pioli is an egomaniac asshole. And to see a head coach just basically tell the management to shove it up their ass by playing the absolute obvious WORST option is funny IMO. Yeah it's our team. I hate seeing the Chiefs lose, but I can completely understand Haley's point of view also.

I would've done the exact same thing if I was put in his situation. If I knew I would be fired by years end anyways, why not just say '**** this franchise' and screw them over.

Then I guess that makes him the worst coach of all time. Sabotaging your team because you feel wronged? I guess he's not a professional.

I hear Tomlin is not happy with the Haley hire, that it was forced by ownership.

[FAX]

Then I guess that makes him the worst coach of all time. Sabotaging your team because you feel wronged? I guess he's not a professional.

I hear Tomlin is not happy with the Haley hire, that it was forced by ownership.

That Tomlin deal was, apparently, a news rumor and not exactly on target. Tomlin made the standard coach-speak "enthusiasm" comment in their presser, so it's all good.

As for the sabotage deal ... I pretty much agree. Although, when you stop and think it through, the Steelers would definitely have inquired about that whole Palko fiasco as well as the other stories coming out of 1 Bonehead Drive. When they did, Haley must have given a plausible explanation, otherwise he would still be on the street. The Steelers are not an organization who would take the chance on a coach willing to tank a season just because he was pissed at the GM or owner.

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[Rasputin]

I can't get past Palko that & the epic asswhoopins we had under Haley from start of the season bills come in and what a beat down. We got our asses just handed too us time & time again & I think that Dolphins game was the worst prepared team I have ever saw. Unforgivable beat downs we endured with Haley as HC.

We had plenty of warnings about Herm Edwards from the Jets that he wasn't the best game day coach. We knew very little of Haley other than he was a hot head OC in Arizona & he was suppose to get our offense up and running. Fucking epic failure he was & maybe it was partly Cassel & Pioli to blame but damn seriously? Fucking Palko.

At no point should we got our ass kicked at the hands of Miami Dolphins mid season, that was just brutal to watch.

[Messier]

That Tomlin deal was, apparently, a news rumor and not exactly on target. Tomlin made the standard coach-speak "enthusiasm" comment in their presser, so it's all good.

As for the sabotage deal ... I pretty much agree. Although, when you stop and think it through, the Steelers would definitely have inquired about that whole Palko fiasco as well as the other stories coming out of 1 Bonehead Drive. When they did, Haley must have given a plausible explanation, otherwise he would still be on the street. The Steelers are not an organization who would take the chance on a coach willing to tank a season just because he was pissed at the GM or owner.

FAX

It could be, it's just what I heard.

The Chiefs must have recommended Haley to some extent. Maybe it was a matter of them saying, good OC, bad HC. As long as he stays a OC he's fine.

[FAX]

I can't get past Palko that & the epic asswhoopins we had under Haley from start of the season bills come in and what a beat down. We got our asses just handed too us time & time again & I think that Dolphins game was the worst prepared team I have ever saw. Unforgivable beat downs we endured with Haley as HC.

We had plenty of warnings about Herm Edwards from the Jets that he wasn't the best game day coach. We knew very little of Haley other than he was a hot head OC in Arizona & he was suppose to get our offense up and running. ****ing epic failure he was & maybe it was partly Cassel & Pioli to blame but damn seriously? ****ing Palko.

At no point should we got our ass kicked at the hands of Miami Dolphins mid season, that was just brutal to watch.

It was definitely tough on us pro-Haley guys.

There were times when I felt like I was going boob-first into the guardrail.

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[FAX]

It could be, it's just what I heard.

The Chiefs must have recommended Haley to some extent. Maybe it was a matter of them saying, good OC, bad HC. As long as he stays a OC he's fine.

Yeah ... I heard the same thing, but then more information started coming out, as it usually does.

You raise an interesting point about the Chiefs recommending him, for sure. I don't know ... maybe they would. I have a hard time believing that a team that is refusing to pay out his contract would refer him, though. I have a strong feeling that the Chiefs FO despises Haley at this point.

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[stonedstooge]

I liked Haley, but the game he called a timeout after a close play, challenged it after the timeout and lost another timeout when the challenge failed, had to be the dumbest coaching error I have ever seen

[Tombstone RJ]

From a Broncos fan perspective the best coaches you all have had in the last 20 years is definitely Marty and Dick. Both were great coaches IMHO and I never liked the Broncos having to face those teams because with Marty, you had great defenses and with Dick, you had great offenses. Can you imagine those two together on the same coaching staff? Vermiel as HC and Marty as DC?

[Titty Meat]

We respect your right to be wrong.

4-8-28.

Except I never was a big Todd Haley guy and was calling for him to be fired after the first week of this season. You seem to forget this team was going to shit before Vermiel ever took over and while yes he did fuck some shit up he's nowhere as bad of a coach as Gansz or Edwards.

[FAX]

From a Broncos fan perspective the best coaches you all have had in the last 20 years is definitely Marty and Dick. Both were great coaches IMHO and I never liked the Broncos having to face those teams because with Marty, you had great defenses and with Dick, you had great offenses. Can you imagine those two together on the same coaching staff? Vermiel as HC and Marty as DC?

The goats ripped Marty a new one with regularity.

I have no idea why you would consider him a threat.

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[Tombstone RJ]

The goats ripped Marty a new one with regularity.

I have no idea why you would consider him a threat.

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Because those teams played hard. Sure, Marty sucked in the playoffs but regular season he had his teams playing hard. You gotta win in the regular season to get to the post season, right?

[Deberg_1990]

From a Broncos fan perspective the best coaches you all have had in the last 20 years is definitely Marty and Dick. Both were great coaches IMHO and I never liked the Broncos having to face those teams because with Marty, you had great defenses and with Dick, you had great offenses. Can you imagine those two together on the same coaching staff? Vermiel as HC and Marty as DC?

I always thought the most amazing thing was Gunther went 4-0 against Shanahan. Of course Griese was the QB then.

[FAX]

Because those teams played hard. Sure, Marty sucked in the playoffs but regular season he had his teams playing hard. You gotta win in the regular season to get to the post season, right?

I wouldn't really know.

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[Tombstone RJ]

I always thought the most amazing thing was Gunther went 4-0 against Shanahan. Of course Griese was the QB then.

I think Gunther hated Shanny.

[Phobia]

I am still amazed that Herm kept his job losing the last 9 games in 2007. Almost as amazing is that he started the next season 1-10 and Clark wanted Pioli to consider keeping him on. He set a franchise record with 12 consecutive losses, had a historic streak of 19 games with only one win, and ended the season with another franchise worst 14 losses. Not even Gansz was that bad. The Chiefs were historically bad while Herm was here. He killed two franchises. He ended his Jets career losing 9 of his last 11 games. He was so conservative on offense, he looked like he was coaching back in the 70s. You can't wait until the 4th quarter to finally stop running the draw play on 3rd and 8 every time.
I'm actually shocked so many people chose Gansz. Gansz got screwed by just about everybody when he was head coach. Bad, bad situation that just fell down like a house of cards.

[Phobia]

I hear Tomlin is not happy with the Haley hire, that it was forced by ownership.

Then Tomlin should definitely force Haley out a week before the season opener... for the good of the team.

[Deberg_1990]

I'm actually shocked so many people chose Gansz. Gansz got screwed by just about everybody when he was head coach. Bad, bad situation that just fell down like a house of cards.

2 people actually chose Stram??

[Bearcat]

FFS, people, click on the numbers and see who voted... a Chargers fan and Broncos fan voted for Stram, and the village idiot voted for Marty.

[tk13]

You know, you never said exclusively head coach in this poll. I'd almost be inclined to vote Gunther. He crashed and burned with Marty's team, then got to come back and wreck the end of Vermeil's tenure, and floated along during Herm's entire time here... then threw both of them after the bus. The dude is partly responsible for an entire decade of Chiefs failure. Nobody else on this list can say that.

[milkman]

Milkman'll be here in a second.

Nah, I hate Marty because of his conservative playoff philosophy that cost this team a chance to get to at least 1, if not 2, SBs.

But in spite of the absolute hate I have for him, I fully recognize that he is unquestinably the second best coach this team has had in it's history.

I remember some of the abysmal talent we had as coaches over the last 42 years. Paul Wiggins was horrible, so was Gansz but he also had horrible talent.

I'm stunned how many people think Herm was the worst.

Was the team that Ganz took over really all that lacking in talent?

Remember, he took over the team the year after they made thier first playoff appearence in years.

It could be, it's just what I heard.

The Chiefs must have recommended Haley to some extent. Maybe it was a matter of them saying, good OC, bad HC. As long as he stays a OC he's fine.

Haley being hired by the Steelers has to do with family ties to that organization.

I highly doubt that the Chiefs made any referral.

I'm actually shocked so many people chose Gansz. Gansz got screwed by just about everybody when he was head coach. Bad, bad situation that just fell down like a house of cards.

Please elaborate.

I have never heard about any of that.

[Backwards Masking]

Too young to vote Gansz, had to go with the Herminator. To be fair, his owner and GM didn't even clue him into things like the what the Governor's Cup was 4 days prior to playing the Rams, but still...Herm was a total pile of garbage, especially in this Offensive Age.