RG3 meeting with Chiefs tonight at the combine

[KCrockaholic]

Arrowhead Pride ‏
RG3 said he would meet with the Chiefs tonight at the Combine. (/internet explodes) .

[O.city]

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[ModSocks]

To the Ship!

[KCrockaholic]

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This needed it's own thread.

[Micjones]

Hopefully he impresses them enough that they're willing to throw the kitchen sink at St. Louis.

[Graystoke]

To busy...got stuff.....to......do!
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[ModSocks]

Hopefully he impresses them enough that they're willing to throw the kitchen sink at St. Louis.

i'd rather they just trade with St. Louis. Throwing sinks at them will probably just piss them off.

[Chiefnj2]

Someone needs to text RGIII that he has to start the meeting by saying "I just finished reading The Patriot Reign and was very impressed, except I don't think you received enough credit." It wouldn't hurt to throw in a "I don't mind if my phone is bugged."

[O.city]

"I keep my apartment really clean, never a wrapper on the floor, I keep my blinds closed all the time".



He's in.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Reply
Keep in mind that the #Chiefs are allowed 60 separate 15-minute interviews at the Combine.

[Bowser]

Talented? Yes
Smart? Yes
Athletic? Yes
Big arm? Yes

We won't draft him.

[O.city]

I don't doubt that we won't draft the guy. If we could we would. I doubt we are ever in a position to draft the guy.

[Bowser]

I don't doubt that we won't draft the guy. If we could we would. I doubt we are ever in a position to draft the guy.

Nah, we never were. The Rams may want to move back, but I doubt that they would want to move back to 11/12. And even if they were willing, no way Pioli makes the necessary moves to move up there to get him.

[KCrockaholic]

I don't doubt that we won't draft the guy. If we could we would. I doubt we are ever in a position to draft the guy.

I still like my plan of franchise tagging Carr, then trading him for a late 1st, or early 2nd, then using that pick plus our 1st, plus next years 1st to move up. Something along those lines.

[lcarus]

i'd rather they just trade with St. Louis. Throwing sinks at them will probably just piss them off.

Well what would be the purpose of drafting Allen Bailey then? The dude was brought in just for his sink-throwing ability.

[ModSocks]

Well what would be the purpose of drafting Allen Bailey then? The dude was brought in just for his sink-throwing ability.

Can you imagine how many candy wrappers a guy like Allen Bailey could pick up?

Well, there's your answer compadre.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Arrowhead Pride ‏ @ArrowheadPride Close
Rule him out: RG3 said on Sirius he was a Broncos fan growing up.

[Micjones]

I still like my plan of franchise tagging Carr, then trading him for a late 1st, or early 2nd, then using that pick plus our 1st, plus next years 1st to move up. Something along those lines.

Two #1's (2012) and a #2 next year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Talented? Yes
Smart? Yes
Athletic? Yes
Big arm? Yes

We won't draft him.

MOVE HIM TO RECIEVER!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

Arrowhead Pride ‏ @ArrowheadPride Close
Rule him out: RG3 said on Sirius he was a Broncos fan growing up.

So the fuck what, If he's getting paid and is wanted at a top 3 spot I believe it won't matter at all.

[Chiefnj2]

Arrowhead Pride ‏ @ArrowheadPride Close
Rule him out: RG3 said on Sirius he was a Broncos fan growing up.

Doesn't he know that if he was a Chiefs fan he would have wonderful memories of being 2 and enjoying KC's last playoff win?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

pft

Robert Griffin III wins the press conference

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 24, 2012, 2:23 PM EST


With a microphone nearby, even that comment was audible to those in the front few rows. Everything Griffin says and does over the next decade is going to be scrutinized. It’s hard to imagine another young man more ready for the responsibility.

It’s only a press conference, but Griffin couldn’t have been more impressive, comfortable, intelligent, and funny on Friday. Press conferences are part of the gig to being an NFL quarterback. Teams like the Browns, Redskins, and Dolphins have to be excited about trying to make Griffin the face of their franchise.

“I hope somebody falls in love with me — other than my fiancée,” Griffin said when asked about the Browns possibly “falling in love” with him.

Some highlights from the session:

1. Griffin won’t throw at the Combine, just his Pro Day.

2. He wore Ninja Turtle socks Friday. Naturally.

3. On playing a lot of out of the shotgun: “It’s not the traditional spread where we’re playing out of shotgun all the time. Although we are in shotgun a lot. So was Tom Brady and Eli Manning in the Super Bowl, but that’s beside the point.”

4. The Eagles met with Griffin Thursday night. He will meet with the Chiefs and Browns Friday night. He mentioned the Browns and Redskins as West Coast offenses he could fit in. Griffin said it would be “an honor to play the Browns.”

5. On possibly playing for the Colts: “I’ve talked to Peyton a few times. It’d be amazing for him to play out his career here — and to play behind him. . . . It would be an honor to sit back and learn. I’d hold that clipboard with pride.”

6. On suggestions the Baylor offense is simple: “I’d like to sit down with those folks and show how simple it is. It’s not a simple offense. It’s a great offense. It’s a quarterback friendly offense, but simple would not be the word to describe it.”

[Thig Lyfe]

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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I hope RGIII can play tackle cause thats what we're drafting at 11

[Epic Fail 007]

It would be great if they could draft RG3. But I don`t see how they could move from 11 to 2.But if they do draft him however unlikely Chiefs nation would blow up!

[Chiefnj2]

He handled the Manning/Colts question very well.

[Rasputin]

This can be repost 10X10 I don't care, it's the most exiting news so far this offseason.

Pleaze Please Pleaze Please make it happen one way or another to draft this kid! We got to make a move & make change the history path of the Chiefs. This is our moment in the draft to do so.

This could be our moment of truth our moment of a life time. We got one shot better lose yourself.

OK I think Eminem can do better what I'm saying



Lose Yourself lyrics
Songwriters: Marshall Mathers Iii;Luis Resto;Jeffrey Bass



Look, if you had, one shot, or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted, one moment
Would you capture it?
Or just let it slip, yo

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgetting
What he wrote down, the whole crowd goes so loud
He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out
He's chokin' how, everybody's chokin' now
The clock's run out, times up, over, blaw!

Snap, back to reality, oh, there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit he choked, he's so mad but he won't
Give up that easy, no, he won't have it he knows
His whole back's to these ropes, it don't matter he's dope
He knows that but he's broke, he so stagnant he knows
When he goes back to his mobile home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody better go capture this moment
And hope it don't pass him

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

His soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This world is mine for the taking, make me king
As we move toward a new world order, a normal life is boring
But superstardom's close to post mortem
It only grows harder, only grows hotter
He blows it's all over, these h**s is all on him
Coast to coast shows, he's known as the Globetrotter lonely roads

God only knows he's grown farther from home, he's no father
He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
But hold your nose cuz here goes the cold water
These h**s don't want him no mo', he's cold product
They moved on to the next schmoe who flows
He nose dove and sold nada, so the soap opera is told it unfolds
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/e/eminem-lyrics/lose-yourself-lyrics.html ]
I suppose it's old partna, but the beat goes on
Da da dum, da dum da da da da

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

No more games, I'ma change what you call rage
Tear this mothaf****n' roof off like two dogs caged
I was playin' in the beginning, the mood all changed
I been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage
But I kept rhymin' and stepped, writin' the next cipher
Best believe somebody's payin' the pied piper
All the pain inside amplified by the fact
That I can't get by with my 9 to 5

And I can't provide the right type of life for my family
Cuz man, these *** damn food stamps don't buy diapers
And it's no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer, this is my life
And these times are so hard and it's getting even harder
Tryin' to feed and water my seed, plus teeter-totter
Caught up between bein' a father and a prima donna
Baby mama drama's screamin' on and too much for me to wanna

Stay in one spot, another day of monotony's
Gotten me to the point I'm like a snail
I've got to formulate a plot or end up in jail or shot
Success is my only mothaf****n' option, failure's not
Mom, I love you, but this trailer's got to go
I cannot grow old in Salem's lot, so here I go it's my shot
Feet fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment, you own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better

You can do anything you set your mind to, man

[-King-]

He handled the Manning/Colts question very well.

Yes he did.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Close
Pioli shrugged when asked about the Chiefs talking to RG3. "You don't know where we'll be or he'll be. Matt's our starting QB."

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
Pioli: "Matt is our starting quarterback. We will have competition at the position...competition not exclusive to QB...all positions."

[gblowfish]

Pioli: "So, what do you think you can learn by backing up Matt Cassel for a couple years?"

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Close
Pioli shrugged when asked about the Chiefs talking to RG3. "You don't know where we'll be or he'll be. Matt's our starting QB."

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
Pioli: "Matt is our starting quarterback. We will have competition at the position...competition not exclusive to QB...all positions."

The sooner this guy gets fired, the better.

[Thig Lyfe]

Let's all pitch in to help the Chiefs make a trade for the #2 pick. Anybody have something to offer the Rams? I'll start with a broken laptop cooling pad.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

https://p.twimg.com/AmcTosTCEAEfXzs.jpg

[O.city]

Pioli is spilling his guts at the combine

[Thig Lyfe]

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Close
Pioli shrugged when asked about the Chiefs talking to RG3. "You don't know where we'll be or he'll be. Matt's our starting QB."

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
Pioli: "Matt is our starting quarterback. We will have competition at the position...competition not exclusive to QB...all positions."

God fucking dammit.

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[-King-]

The sooner this guy gets fired, the better.

Dude, Pioli's not going to reveal shit.

He also said:

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft
Pioli said the team wants Kyle Orton back and he seems to want to come back.

[Tribal Warfare]

Pioli is coming up on the NFLN now

[vailpass]

Good luck in Cleveland RGIII.
Thanks Mr. Pioli.

[Sofa King]

Let's all pitch in to help the Chiefs make a trade for the #2 pick. Anybody have something to offer the Rams? I'll start with a broken laptop cooling pad.

I guess i can photoshop some more pictures of tattoo guy.

[Rasputin]

I guess i can photoshop some more pictures of tattoo guy.

Yes do that. :D

[Rasputin]

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Close
Pioli shrugged when asked about the Chiefs talking to RG3. "You don't know where we'll be or he'll be. Matt's our starting QB."

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
Pioli: "Matt is our starting quarterback. We will have competition at the position...competition not exclusive to QB...all positions."

Fuck you scott Pissoli MUTHER FUCK YOU!

[O.city]

I wish Whitlock could interview Pioli.

[BoneKrusher]

https://p.twimg.com/AmcTosTCEAEfXzs.jpg

that's one arrogant prick right there^^^.

[-King-]

I wish Whitlock could interview Pioli.

Why?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

https://p.twimg.com/AmcbuPTCAAE-S2i.jpg

[jAZ]

5. On possibly playing for the Colts: “I’ve talked to Peyton a few times. It’d be amazing for him to play out his career here — and to play behind him. . . . It would be an honor to sit back and learn. I’d hold that clipboard with pride.”
Smart, smart statement: "Draft me #1 and you get the best of all words."

[BigRichard]

To busy...got stuff.....to......do!
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Ok, I have to ask. Can someone point me at the correct thread that explains the wrapper thing. And yes, I have drank my antifreeze as well as walked into my burning AIDS tree. Please and thank you.

[suds79]

that's one arrogant prick right there^^^.

Probably right about that. But I couldn't care less about how arrogant he is. I just care about the Chiefs winning. He could be the biggest prick in the world and I wouldn't care if we got a SB.

His belief in Matt Cassel worries me more than any arrogance he might have.

[-King-]

Ok, I have to ask. Can someone point me at the correct thread that explains the wrapper thing. And yes, I have drank my antifreeze as well as walked into my burning AIDS tree. Please and thank you.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=255076&highlight=babb

[Sofa King]

Why?

Have you never read anything by Whitlock in regards to Mr. "Egoli"?

[Bowser]

His belief in Matt Cassel worries me more than any arrogance he might have.

It's crazy. The blinders he has on for Cassel drives me (and everyone, ever) nuts.

[Tribal Warfare]

Pioli is going talk on the NFLN right now

[Chiefnj2]

Have you never read anything by Whitlock in regards to Mr. "Egoli"?

Whitlock is a very good writer, but horrible with interviews on the radio. I tried listening a few times years ago. Not even close to his writing.

[splatbass]

The sooner this guy gets fired, the better.

Are you actually taking something a GM says in the months leading up to the draft seriously? Because that would be stupid.

Nothing any GM says about the draft should ever be taken as gospel. There are lots of smokescreens, lots of generic GM talk, but nothing that means anything at all. Pioli isn't going to give away his hand. Saying Cassel is the starter means nothing. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but you will never know it from listening to Pioli.

[-King-]

Have you never read anything by Whitlock in regards to Mr. "Egoli"?

He's an editorialist. He's not a interviewer.

[HoneyBadger]

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Close
Pioli shrugged when asked about the Chiefs talking to RG3. "You don't know where we'll be or he'll be. Matt's our starting QB."

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
Pioli: "Matt is our starting quarterback. We will have competition at the position...competition not exclusive to QB...all positions."

It's a ploy to make other teams think we won't be trading up!!

[Tribal Warfare]

He talked about a many needs on the front 7 on both sides of the ball, and of course shrugged off the QB competition ( it could be through FA or draft and he doesn't know) question though he did talk up Stanzi though.

[KC_Lee]

Pioli is going talk on the NFLN right now

Any highlights?

[jd1020]

Any highlights?

Nothing was said that he hasn't already said before.

There was one question about team needs and he said that they have a lot of needs but he singled out "both front lines" and then mentioned the rest of the needs as "across the board."

[Sofa King]

Whitlock is a very good writer, but horrible with interviews on the radio. I tried listening a few times years ago. Not even close to his writing.

He's an editorialist. He's not a interviewer.


Well no kidding. It's hard to make shit up when the guy's sitting right next to you.

[Tribal Warfare]

Any highlights?

There was a point of the Manning question of course denied talking to his people, but he was laughing it off when he said it about getting fined too.

[Chief_For_Life58]

This interview i just watched on nfl network was good news to me. It sounded like everyones high on stanzi being the future and that hes gonna bring in another qb from somewhere and go out and get bpa every pick to get competition everywhere. Peyton Manning to Chiefs Scott? "(laughing) We are not allowed to talk to any player under contract with another team."

[scho63]

To busy...got stuff.....to......do!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/2240412508_ec1b5f196a.jpg

ROFL

[WV]

Pioli will draft him just to see if he can teach Cassel accuracy.

[Bewbies]

Where's that Ultimate Warrior FAP gif?

[Okie_Apparition]

They're going to offer #11 & last year's unused cap space
Goodell won't consider the offer for more than 2 seconds before the veto

[MMXcalibur]

RG3? More like RG FREE!

...ah, shit, I forgot where I was going with this. Just don't hit "Post Quick Reply" and go view another topic.

Oh shit...NO NO NO NO OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SH

[J Diddy]

Nah, we never were. The Rams may want to move back, but I doubt that they would want to move back to 11/12. And even if they were willing, no way Pioli makes the necessary moves to move up there to get him.

a 1 and 2 and a franchised carr or bowe. Whatever their pick.

[qabbaan]

What other teams has he met with?

[BossChief]

Due diligence.

You don't only interview guys you want to draft, you want to get as much information as possible so that when you face the player in a game, you know something about him you can use to your advantage....or what happens 4 years down the line when his contract is up and the he hasn't lit the world on fire, but you saw something in him that the drafting team didn't and think he would be worth the risk to sign at that point to implement your plan on.

There are hundreds of reasons to interview players that you really dont intend to draft.

Shit, lets say he drops a bit because of various reasons and is within 3 or 4 picks from us and we can move up to take him with just 1st and 2nd round picks....and we then have enough information to deem that a worthy investment for the player.

Literally hundreds of reasons to get as much information as you can on all the premier prospects.

[Hammock Parties]

GET THIS GOLD TOOF DAWG UNDA CENTUH

[BossChief]

Can we make up some rumor about RG3 that we can widespread that might cause him to slip to us?

I mean, Im sure there are people here that arent above that type of thing that have connections that can get the rumor out there...

[Okie_Apparition]

Talking with Scott Pioli

By Bill Williamson

INDIANAPOLIS -- Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli met with the media on Friday afternoon. In addition to talking about the team’s quarterback situation, here are some other highlights:

Pioli said the Chiefs’ three injured stars -- running back Jamaal Charles, safety Eric Berry and tight end Tony Moeaki -- are on schedule to be ready for training camp. All three suffered torn ACLs in their knees in September. Pioli said there aren’t any guarantees that all three will be ready for camp, but the team feels good about each player’s progress.

Pioli said that he thinks this is a strong draft overall, and he really likes the running backs. I expect the Chiefs to look at a running back fairly early in the draft or in free agency. With Charles coming back from injury and Jackie Battle and Thomas Jones being free agents, the Chiefs will need help there. One possibility, I think, is to sign New England’s Benjarvus Green-Ellis in free agency. Pioli signed him as an undrafted free agent in New England.

Pioli said he believes second-year player Rodney Hudson is ready to start at center or guard. His best bet might be at center. Casey Wiegmann is considering retirement, and the team might be ready to move to Hudson, anyway.

Pioli said 2011 first-round pick Jonathan Baldwin has made progress, and is expected to be a contributor in 2012.

Pioli reiterated that he wants to keep receiver Dwayne Bowe and cornerback Brandon Carr, who are headed for free agency. With the Chiefs signing cornerback Stanford Routt this week, the odds of Carr coming back have lessened considerably.

Pioli said he was “heartbroken” to see college scouting director Phil Emery leave to become the Bears’ general manager. Pioli praised Emery extensively and said he will make the city of Chicago proud.

RG3 and other QB talk in Kansas City

By Bill Williamson

INDIANAPOLIS -- RG3 let the cat out of the bag.

He is meeting with the Kansas City Chiefs.

During his press briefing, Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III acknowledged that the Kansas City Chiefs are among the teams that he will meet with at the NFL combine this weekend.

Commence the speculation.

The Chiefs have the No.11 pick in the draft and they would likely have to trade up to either No. 2 or No. 3 to get the Heisman Trophy winner. When asked about the meeting with Griffin on Friday afternoon, Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli laughed and feigned frustration. Pioli said not to make too much of the meeting with Griffin, that the team is just doing its due diligence and that the Chiefs will talk to several players at the combine.

I don’t think too much should be made of the meeting. Pioli is right. Many teams talk to many players. I’m sure the Chiefs would love to draft Griffin, but the odds are strongly against it happening.

Meanwhile, Pioli clarified the notion that there is open competition at quarterback. He said, “Matt Cassel is our starter.” Yet, he did say there will be come competition at the position like every other position. Translation: Yes, Cassel can be beat out, but the team isn’t expecting it.

Pioli did say the Chiefs have talked to Kyle Orton’s agent and there is mutual interest in Orton coming back. I think Orton may see what is out on the open market as far as starting jobs go before he considers returning to the Chiefs.

Asked about Colts’ quarterback Peyton Manning, Pioli declined to comment because of the league’s tampering rules. Thursday, a Kansas City radio personality reported that he heard the Chiefs and Manning’s agent have already had discussions. That is against league rules because Manning is still property of the Colts.

[BossChief]

If Matt Cassel is our starting quarterback without LEGIT competition coming in at quarterback, Pioli is gambling his career on that move.

He is gonna be extremely lucky that he has Stanzi because I see Pioli falling flat on his face if Cassel tries to run a "wide open offense" that Daboll wants to run in KC.

Im not coming off the notion that Stanzi takes over as the teams starter the halftime prior to the bye week unless we sign Orton or Manning.

I dont see Orton signing anywhere unless he is ensured a legit chance at being the starter.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Josh Looney ‏ @JoshLooney Close
RAC at the podium. Came away impressed with RG3 after last nights interview

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[BossChief]

I'm trying not to think of how good a player/coach combo Romeo/RG3 would be because its not gonna happen, but damn from a personality and playing ability standpoint it would be a near perfect match.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Can we make up some rumor about RG3 that we can widespread that might cause him to slip to us?

I mean, Im sure there are people here that arent above that type of thing that have connections that can get the rumor out there...

You could start a "he banged his sister" rumor and he won't even get drafted like that one guy a year or two ago.

[Chief Roundup]

I still like my plan of franchise tagging Carr, then trading him for a late 1st, or early 2nd, then using that pick plus our 1st, plus next years 1st to move up. Something along those lines.

No way we should give up 3 1st round picks!

[OnTheWarpath15]

RGIII piece on ESPN Insider:


INDIANAPOLIS -- Early in 2007, Stanford was showing interest in two highly regarded high school quarterbacks playing just about three hours apart in Texas. Andrew Luck committed on June 30, well before his senior year, and Stanford's recruitment of that other Texas QB, Robert Griffin III, slowed. Griffin had many suitors, waited until after his senior season and committed to nearby Baylor.

Here we go again.

Four-plus years later, Luck and Griffin will again be in proximity and preferred in the same order, land with new teams in the same order, again in similar fashion -- Luck decided well ahead of time, Griffin later, and via the result of a battle among suitors.

According to Adam Schefter, that bidding war might have already begun, with teams calling the St. Louis Rams about their No. 2 pick.

Although the sequence worked out just fine the first time based on where we are today, there is evidence that a team could get burned if it overspends for Griffin.

Basic economics and clear history dictate that there's a limited supply of great quarterbacks in any class; in fact, it says there can be a lack of even capable quarterbacks. The 2006 and 2007 classes should be matured by now, but the 10 quarterbacks taken in the first two rounds produced one certain full-time starter in 2012 among them. This has always been the case: When buyers can't wait on or predict the supply in the future, even average goods can be paid for at high rates.

"Then factor that emotion -- that urgency you feel because it's quarterback," said one high-ranking NFC evaluator. "Just look at last year." He is referencing Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and then Christian Ponder all being drafted within an hour, all at slots generally deemed high based on overall talent.

The position rightly carries so much weight that teams knowingly overvalue it if there's a need. So you can imagine what happens when a class isn't even maximized in terms of the talent pool.

Here's another important point to keep in mind: While the current conversation makes it seem like a foregone conclusion that Griffin will go No. 2, he wasn't even considered the second-best quarterback in this draft two months ago.

Matt Barkley was ahead of Griffin on "three-quarters of teams' draft boards here, maybe more," the NFC official said. "And remember, Barkley was on fire and really riding a wave at the end of his season," colleague Mel Kiper noted. "That's your second QB off the board." Tyler Wilson and even Landry Jones have been mentioned here as guys who could have challenged Griffin. The juice he maintains right now is obviously talent-related -- but it's also because he's available.

We've seen it before. When a highly-rated quarterback opts to stay in school, it can shift fortunes for teams in need.

• Last year, Luck almost assuredly still would have gone No. 1. "No question," said George Whitfield, the personal QB coach to both Luck and 2011 No. 1 pick Cam Newton. That means Newton would have landed where -- with the Denver Broncos at No. 2? Would Locker, Gabbert and Ponder have gone as high as they did? No chance.

• In 2010, Sam Bradford went No. 1 overall after staying at Oklahoma for a senior year, a surprise in the same way Luck's returning was last year. Bradford had a shot to go No. 1 had he left as a junior. Instead, it was Matthew Stafford. Minus Bradford on the board, the Jets aggressively targeted Mark Sanchez in a trade.

• Although Matt Ryan didn't have the same Matty Ice draft momentum in 2007, he was certainly a legit prospect before he went back to Boston College. Could he have been picked in front of JaMarcus Russell if he had entered in 2007, changing Oakland's future? We'll never know, but Atlanta is glad Ryan waited.

• Eli Manning was already a top prospect when he opted to, like his big brother Peyton, return for his senior year in 2004. Had Manning left in 2003, "He beats out Carson Palmer as the No. 1 pick to Cincinnati," Kiper said. "That's not just easy hindsight -- in fact, I don't think it's even of a question when you factor in pedigree."

Would Jacksonville then have gotten Palmer instead of Byron Leftwich, the second quarterback taken? Would Detroit have gone for an early upgrade over Joey Harrington instead of drafting mega-bust Charles Rogers? And just imagine how differently things would have gone for the Giants.

It's true that you can't presume the context of every draft, because quarterbacks are valued in comparison with one another, not in a vacuum, as hard as evaluators try. But we've seen plenty of examples where a highly touted quarterback who stays for his senior year shifts value dramatically over the course of two drafts. So when considering drafting the players who are the beneficiaries of these shifts (like Griffin this season), it's important to ask the question: Where was his value before?

Here's one last example for you to consider: Had Stafford returned for his senior season, which would have been vastly less surprising than Luck's return, he and Bradford would have become the top two quarterback drafted in 2010. The actual second quarterback taken that year? Tim Tebow.

If you grouped the first quarterbacks taken in the past 25 years next to the second passers taken (excluding 1988, when none was taken until No. 68 overall), the firsts have outpassed the seconds by 130,085 yards. That's actually not a ton, at 5,203 yards per quarterback, but it includes some dominating performances by the second guy, such as Drew Brees over Michael Vick (Brees has 22,830 more passing yards), Donovan McNabb over Tim Couch (26,145 yards), and Jake Plummer over Jim Druckenmiller (29,014) yards.

These stats aren't breaking new ground in analytics, but in 18 of the 25 years, the first quarterback taken was or is simply superior. Across the board, with each one drafted, you're losing some assumed value, perhaps upwards of 10 percent. Even outliers like Tom Brady can't change this.

This isn't simply a shot at Griffin (and it's worth noting that he passed his biggest combine test on Friday by measuring out over 6-foot-2). The tape shows he's a serious talent. And if you don't trust the late riser, the guy who went from September afterthought to January first-round lock, just look back one year, then consider where Newton is today.

But knowing the supply of talent is scarce, it's one thing to draft Griffin if he's there for the taking at say, No. 4 (Cleveland Browns), No. 6 (Washington Redskins) or No. 9 (Miami Dolphins), and it's another to get in a bidding war and trade a lot of value or future picks. It's also not like Griffin is free once you get him -- the No. 2 pick this year is in line to receive about $23 million in guarantees.

We know that talent is scarce and that this No. 2 quarterback is No. 2 in part because someone was more intent on being No. 1 next year.

[BigMeatballDave]

Pipe Dream

[Fritz88]

Polio is high on Stanzi so that we don't get pissed when he brings Palko 2.0 to compete with Casshole.
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[Quesadilla Joe]

Osweiler says KC, Buf, Phi, Sea have all met with him #scoutingcombine

https://twitter.com/#!/cecillammey/status/173513622658617346

[O.city]

Osweiler? Interesting.

[jd1020]

Osweiler says KC, Buf, Phi, Sea have all met with him #scoutingcombine

https://twitter.com/#!/cecillammey/status/173513622658617346

Hmmm. Gonna have to use a 2nd to get him with those teams also interested?

[KCrockaholic]

If nothing else the Chiefs are looking under every QB rock available. Good to see we are going after some guys at that position.

[KCrockaholic]

No way we should give up 3 1st round picks!

Technically we would give up 2. You don't count the one we already have from this year.

[The Bad Guy]

There's far too much smoke around QBs for the position to be ignored this year.

[The Bad Guy]

Hmmm. Gonna have to use a 2nd to get him with those teams also interested?

I'd probably do it. I'm intrigued by him as well.

[O.city]

There's far too much smoke around QBs for the position to be ignored this year.

I agree. Something is goin down.


Watch us trade the farm up and take RGIII. Something crazy like that.

[KCrockaholic]

I agree. Something is goin down.


Watch us trade the farm up and take RGIII. Something crazy like that.

Don't jinx it. From the sounds of it, Crennel is completely open to the idea of doing that. Not to mention, he IS older. He's in "win now" mode like Dick was in 2005. But we have a good young team rather than a good old team.

[BossChief]

There's far too much smoke around QBs for the position to be ignored this year.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Quesadilla Joe]

I agree. Something is goin down.


Watch us trade the farm up and take RGIII. Something crazy like that.

It's gonna cost two first round picks and a second rounder according to Schefter. Is RG3 worth that price?

[KCrockaholic]

It's gonna cost two first round picks and a second rounder according to Schefter. Is RG3 worth that price?

Yeah.

[tredadda]

There's far too much smoke around QBs for the position to be ignored this year.

We didn't ignore it last year. After all we did get Stanzi in Round 5.

[tredadda]

It's gonna cost two first round picks and a second rounder according to Schefter. Is RG3 worth that price?

Ummmmm yeah, he is without question worth it.

[O.city]

It would cost the Chiefs alot more than that to get up there from 11.

[tredadda]

It would cost the Chiefs alot more than that to get up there from 11.

Agree considering we have to outbid Cleveland who could give up both firsts and allow STL to move back to #4.

[Chiefshrink]

I agree. Something is goin down.


Watch us trade the farm up and take RGIII. Something crazy like that.

No way Pioli trades the farm. We're talking Pioli here, who took Stanzi last yr and his reputation,ego and $$(signing bonus) are tied up in Cassel. This is poker play.

We are so desperate for a good QB that many CPers lose perspective and any little movement about the Chiefs in the press causes pre-mature NFL QBOTF ejaculation for sure.;)

[Chiefshrink]

Agree considering we have to outbid Cleveland who could give up both firsts and allow STL to move back to #4.

Sweetass deal for St.L if it happens and I would do it in a heartbeat if I'm the GM of the Rams.

[Chiefshrink]

It would cost the Chiefs alot more than that to get up there from 11.

That's why Pioli won't trade the farm.

[tredadda]

Sweetass deal for St.L if it happens and I would do it in a heartbeat if I'm the GM of the Rams.

I agree which is why they are dangling the #2 pick like that. They are trying to force Cleveland's hand.

[O.city]

Oh I agree the Chiefs won't do it. I sure wouldn't fault them if they did though.

[prhom]

No way Pioli trades the farm. We're talking Pioli here, who took Stanzi last yr and his reputation,ego and $$(signing bonus) are tied up in Cassel. This is poker play.

We are so desperate for a good QB that many CPers lose perspective and any little movement about the Chiefs in the press causes pre-mature NFL QBOTF ejaculation for sure.;)

As much as I wouldnt mind seeing us make a move for him, I agree that he's not going to do it. I read somewhere that he said he wanted to keep drafting QBs (I'll try to find, maybe someone else read that quote too) which is the right way to go. We will draft another qb at some point but not in the first, and not until we are in a much stronger position depth-wise.

[Chiefshrink]

It's gonna cost two first round picks and a second rounder according to Schefter. Is RG3 worth that price?

All the glamour and glitz of the NFL and the NFL Network packaging these players at the combine has a big tendency to skew the perspective and prevent accurate analysis among most fans and dare I say some teams in desperate need.

Wasn't RGIII a WR not long ago.

Ain't no guarantee on any player and the ONLY player in this years draft that remotely comes close to a surefire pick is LUCK.

[O.city]

RGIII was never a wr in college. He has played qb the entire time.


Atleast I'm pretty sure of.

[milkman]

RGIII was never a wr in college. He has played qb the entire time.


Atleast I'm pretty sure of.

He's thinking of Tannehil, apparently.

Oh look, there's some of that speculation based on nothing that Crazy Horse thinks I do.

[Tribal Warfare]

RGIII was never a wr in college. He has played qb the entire time.


Atleast I'm pretty sure of.

When he was coming up from High School most of the major programs had him slated as a WR, and Baylor was one of the few. I believe he's referring to Tannehill the "other" Texas region prospect.

[O.city]

Only way we touch this guy is if the other teams fill their spots during free agency.

[jd1020]

Only way we touch this guy is if the other teams fill their spots during free agency.

Those "other teams," namely Cleveland and Washington, won't be filling their QB spots in FA until after the draft, if they still need to.

[Nightfyre]

Those "other teams," namely Cleveland and Washington, won't be filling their QB spots in FA until after the draft, if they still need to.

That's a stupid assumption. If these teams want Flynn, they will likely have to give a pick this year to get him. Additionally, Manning will be released in the next couple weeks and his situation is likely to be resolved quickly.

[jd1020]

That's a stupid assumption. If these teams want Flynn, they will likely have to give a pick this year to get him. Additionally, Manning will be released in the next couple weeks and his situation is likely to be resolved quickly.

Ya... A team in the hunt for a top prospect in the NFL draft is going to throw it all away for a 36 year old QB and a 1 start unknown.

[Nightfyre]

Ya... A team in the hunt for a top prospect in the NFL draft is going to throw it all away for a 36 year old QB and a 1 start unknown.

Pretty much. It has happened repeatedly throughout the history of the NFL.