Chiefs make it official-Franchise Tag Bowe

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#chiefs have placed the franchise tag on wr Dwayne Bowe.


Chiefs make Bowe their franchise player






The Chiefs today named Dwayne Bowe, their top wide receiver the past five seasons, as their franchise player, a move that effectively keeps him off the free-agent market.

As part of that transaction, the Chiefs offered Bowe a one-year contract worth about $9.5 million. Bowe can sign the contract at any time or the sides could negotiate a long-term contract.

As the franchise player, Bowe could still negotiate a contract with another team. But the Chiefs would have the right to match the offer and retain Bowe. If they decline to match, the Chiefs would lose Bowe but receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

Read more here: http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1973#storylink=cpy

[Dayze]

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[mikeyis4dcats.]

kind of a misleading thread title.

[philfree]

kind of a misleading thread title.

No kidding!

[Dante84]

Your ass tastes goooooooood!

[Titty Meat]

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[O.city]

Well now thats out of the way.


watch him hold out.

[SPchief]

They're just gonna let Carr walk! This is surprising BS!

[Bump]

well, I guess we can expect a really high quality season for Bowe at least. He's gonna be determined as hell. I doubt this was the good news he referred to on twitter, that good news must be Peyton Manning will throw to him.

[Bump]

They're just gonna let Carr walk! This is surprising BS!

I'm not surprised

[DeezNutz]

They're just gonna let Carr walk! This is surprising BS!

No way. Pioli has assured us that he's doing everything possible to re-sign Carr.

[suds79]

They're just gonna let Carr walk! This is surprising BS!

This outrage should have happened when they signed Routt.

[dirk digler]

Not surprising just disappointing.

[Titty Meat]

No way. Pioli has assured us that he's doing everything possible to re-sign Carr.

He's going to use the money to sign Manning!

[BoneKrusher]

oh well, i guess Bowe is it.

[BigChiefFan]

Good move. We can't lose them both.

[VikesFan]

So you rather have Bowe over Carr? :hmmm:

[Sofa King]

At least we aren't losing bowe...




Maybe the browns will sign him and give us their 2 first rounders and we can trade that for RGIII 1!!!11!!!!!!111111eleventy!11!

Bowe for RGIII!1!!111!!

[DeezNutz]

So you rather have Bowe over Carr? :hmmm:

Between the two, yes. Not really close. That said, both should still be Chiefs.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

So you rather have Bowe over Carr? :hmmm:

When you have routt and flowers yes.

[stonedstooge]

Why would they not use the tag that doesn't allow him to negotiate with other teams? Trying to save a buck or two again.

[-King-]

So you rather have Bowe over Carr? :hmmm:

Id rather have Bowe and Routt than Carr. If we had franchised Carr and let Bowe walk, we wouldn't have gotten a player even close to being as good as he is. We did that with Carr at least. Routt is close to being as good as Carr is.
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[-King-]

Why would they not use the tag that doesn't allow him to negotiate with other teams? Trying to save a buck or two again.

Some people have gone off the deep end lately with the stupid conspiracy theories.
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[philfree]

Why would they not use the tag that doesn't allow him to negotiate with other teams? Trying to save a buck or two again.

Because if someone wants to cough up two 1st rounders for Bowe we'd take it.

[Hoover]

Why would Bowe say this is great news on Twitter? So confused....

[suds79]

Why would Bowe say this is great news on Twitter? So confused....

Why would Dwayne Bowe say a lot of the things he says? Why would he talk about importing women?

Who knows. He might look at it as "Sweet I'm getting top 5 $$ next year."

[MIAdragon]

No way. Pioli has assured us that he's doing everything possible to re-sign Carr.

LMAO

[Micjones]

Glad this is behind us. Hopefully they can get a long-term deal worked out.

[keg in kc]

Wait, you mean they didn't franchise Orton?

[Hammock Parties]

Would be cool to trade Bowe for two 1sts, trade up and snag Griffin.

[DeezNutz]

Wait, you mean they didn't franchise Orton?

He's really exponentially better than Cassel; their career statistics are just lies. Total. Lies.

[Micjones]

Would be cool to trade Bowe for two 1sts, trade up and snag Griffin.

Negative Ghostrider.

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Scott Pioli on Dwayne Bowe: 'We felt it was in the best interest of the Kansas City Chiefs to place the tag on Dwayne.'

[MoreLemonPledge]

Bye, Carr. Work out a long time contract with Bowe and don't let the tag go to waste.

[COchief]

Way to let Carr walk for nothing Pioli you fat piece of shit. All because you failed in your responsibility to sign a WR we drafted and developed that has produced every single god damn year with whatever shit QB we have thrown out there including your handpicked abomination. That's a first or second round pick walking out the door, all because you sat on your fat ass eating chicken wings instead of locking Bowe up last season.

Eat shit and die, and take Cassel with you!

[suds79]

Would be cool to trade Bowe for two 1sts, trade up and snag Griffin.

When was the last time a tagged player got 2 1st?

Has it ever happened? Just saying I think any notion of that is about as realistic as us retaining Brandon Carr. ;)

[Bump]

So you rather have Bowe over Carr? :hmmm:

Bowe makes more sense than Carr if we get Peyton Manning :drool:

[KCrockaholic]

Basically use that money we saved on letting Carr walk by signing Peyton and Pioli is forgiven for allowing it to happen. If we pussy foot around, and don't get a QB worth a shit, then Pioli can once again **** himself.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

If V Jackson leaves the AFC west Flowers and Routt are gonna have easy games vs the AFC WEST.

[DBoweShow]

Way to let Carr walk for nothing Pioli you fat piece of shit. All because you failed in your responsibility to sign a WR we drafted and developed that has produced every single god damn year with whatever shit QB we have thrown out there including your handpicked abomination. That's a first or second round pick walking out the door, all because you sat on your fat ass eating chicken wings instead of locking Bowe up last season.

Eat shit and die, and take Cassel with you!

Hell sounds like you need to be the GM for a day. You make it sound so easy.

[NJChiefsFan]

Basically use that money we saved on letting Carr walk by signing Peyton and Pioli is forgiven for allowing it to happen. If we pussy foot around, and don't get a QB worth a shit, then Pioli can once again **** himself.

To me forgiven is signing Bowe, tagging Carr, and getting a first or even a 2nd for himi.

[Rain Man]

Are we seriously letting Carr walk? That really hurts. I liked him.

[COchief]

Hell sounds like you need to be the GM for a day. You make it sound so easy.

Top flight receivers are tough to come by. Plus we have a bazillion dollars in cap room. How hard of a decision is it? Plus he's going to sign long term anyways eventually, so the only difference in the end result I can see is that we let Carr walk for nothing instead of a tag and trade for a 1st or 2nd.

All because Pioli failed to do his job.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

To me forgiven is signing Bowe, tagging Carr, and getting a first or even a 2nd for himi.

Why would a team give the chiefs a 1 or a 2? when they know the chiefs are gonna trade him? Chiefs would have no leverage.

[-King-]

Way to let Carr walk for nothing Pioli you fat piece of shit. All because you failed in your responsibility to sign a WR we drafted and developed that has produced every single god damn year with whatever shit QB we have thrown out there including your handpicked abomination. That's a first or second round pick walking out the door, all because you sat on your fat ass eating chicken wings instead of locking Bowe up last season.

Eat shit and die, and take Cassel with you!

ROFLROFL

[-King-]

Top flight receivers are tough to come by. Plus we have a bazillion dollars in cap room. How hard of a decision is it? Plus he's going to sign long term anyways eventually, so the only difference in the end result I can see is that we let Carr walk for nothing instead of a tag and trade for a 1st or 2nd.

All because Pioli failed to do his job.

Have you ever negotiated over millions of dollars before?

[KCrockaholic]

To me forgiven is signing Bowe, tagging Carr, and getting a first or even a 2nd for himi.

What I meant was he would be forgiven for allowing Carr to walk if we take that money we saved by not signing Carr, and used it on Peyton.

Ultimately the scenario you mentioned was ideal, but that is no longer possible. I'm trying to find a way for Pioli to dig out of a hole and make something happen QB wise.

[BWillie]

So why wouldn't you franchise Carr? And then trade him. Doubt we could get a 1st and a 3rd out of him, is that what picks you have to get from it? How does that work

[COchief]

Why would a team give the chiefs a 1 or a 2? when they know the chiefs are gonna trade him? Chiefs would have no leverage.

I never thought of it that way, you're right they wouldn't have any levera...oh wait, what about Jay Cutler and countless other players in exact same situation and the Broncos got a boatload of picks for him. STFU

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Top flight receivers are tough to come by. Plus we have a bazillion dollars in cap room. How hard of a decision is it? Plus he's going to sign long term anyways eventually, so the only difference in the end result I can see is that we let Carr walk for nothing instead of a tag and trade for a 1st or 2nd.

All because Pioli failed to do his job.

For the tenth time they don't have alot of cap room now at 30m

Let say they sign bowe 10m Tag carr another 10m 5m for draft what the fuck you gonna do with 5m in FA?

[-King-]

I never thought of it that way, you're right they wouldn't have any levera...oh wait, what about Jay Cutler and countless other players in exact same situation and the Broncos got a boatload of picks for him. STFU

You're comparing a franchise QB to a cornerback. ROFLROFL

[KCrockaholic]

I never thought of it that way, you're right they wouldn't have any levera...oh wait, what about Jay Cutler and countless other players in exact same situation and the Broncos got a boatload of picks for him. STFU

You're comparing a top 10 QB to a top 10 CB.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I never thought of it that way, you're right they wouldn't have any levera...oh wait, what about Jay Cutler and countless other players in exact same situation and the Broncos got a boatload of picks for him. STFU

Its a QB not a CB man you are funny.

[KCrockaholic]

You're comparing a franchise QB to a cornerback. ROFLROFL

You're comparing a top 10 QB to a top 10 CB.

;)

[NJChiefsFan]

Why would a team give the chiefs a 1 or a 2? when they know the chiefs are gonna trade him? Chiefs would have no leverage.

Why did the Chiefs give up a 2 for Cassel then? Or why did any other player get tagged and traded? Hell even a 3 would be better than nothing. The levearge the Chiefs could create is making DET and DAL bid for Carr. I doubt both DET and DAL would pass up on him if it meant a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Get them to both want him and you could make it a 1 or 2.

[COchief]

Have you ever negotiated over millions of dollars before?

Actually I have dipshit, I've handled the Costco contract along with the unbelievable amount of returns for various companies so eat a bag of dicks.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If we sign Manning we won't need Carr because our defense won't be on the field 59 minutes each game. Having a real QB is gonna put our Defense in the top 5 automatically.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Why did the Chiefs give up a 2 for Cassel then? Or why did any other player get tagged and traded? Hell even a 3 would be better than nothing. The levearge the Chiefs could create is making DET and DAL bid for Carr. I doubt both DET and DAL would pass up on him if it meant a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Get them to both want him and you could make it a 1 or 2.

What if those teams don't wanna trade for carr and you're on the hook for 10.6m this year?

[COchief]

You're comparing a franchise QB to a cornerback. ROFLROFL

Franchise QB is extremely debatable, but I'll play along. Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall???

[BryanBusby]

These recent posts jfc :facepalm:

Guys, the Chiefs would be signing next to no free agents outside of their own they want to keep if they somehow re-signed Bowe and franchised Carr. They don't have 60 million in cap space, or close to it.

[mcaj22]

where is the official CP panic mode Bowe hasn't signed watch- thread?

I bet he holds out until around Training Camp

[jd1020]

I like how everyone points to the one writing the contract and ignores the person who has to sign it.

[Ebolapox]

When was the last time a tagged player got 2 1st?

Has it ever happened? Just saying I think any notion of that is about as realistic as us retaining Brandon Carr. ;)

it was either joey galloway or roy williams, BOTH by the cowboys.

[KCUnited]

Actually I have dipshit, I've handled the Costco contract along with the unbelievable amount of returns for various companies so eat a bag of dicks.

What's up with your tri tip, bro? You guy's discontinue that everywhere or is it just a Midwest thing?

[COchief]

What if those teams don't wanna trade for carr and you're on the hook for 10.6m this year?

Yeah, nobody would trade a 3rd rounder in the process avoiding any bidding wars for a top 15 CB. Okaaaayyyyyy

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yeah, nobody would trade a 3rd rounder in the process avoiding any bidding wars for a top 15 CB. Okaaaayyyyyy

He isnt a top 15 cb jfc.

[COchief]

I like how everyone points to the one writing the contract and ignores the person who has to sign it.

Because it's his job to get him to sign it maybe...

[DeezNutz]

He isnt a top 15 cb jfc.

Uh...

[NJChiefsFan]

What if those teams don't wanna trade for carr and you're on the hook for 10.6m this year?

Worst case scenario you just go down and down until a team is willing to trade for him. I highly doubt DET or DAL would not be willing to give up a 3rd for him. Lets just say for arguement sake that they don't. U really think they wouldn't give up a late round pick?

Even if the Chiefs were somehow not able to unload him for a quality pick and wer looking at cap trouble if they kept him, you think they couldn't give him up for a 5th or 6th?

I understand your point, I just don't think its very realistic that a team wouldn't trade them some pick for him. Worst case scenario the Chiefs give him up for less than they should. With the teams that would want him, and how the tag/trade has played out over time, I think its pretty safe to say the Chiefs could get a decent pick for him. Certainly wouldn't have to worry about being on the hook for the money.

[jd1020]

Because it's his job to get him to sign it maybe...

Oh ya? Is he going to do it at gun point?

[COchief]

What's up with your tri tip, bro? You guy's discontinue that everywhere or is it just a Midwest thing?

I worked for vendor companies for Costco, meaning the companies that have to deal with all the shit when people return anything and everything to Costco for no good reason.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Uh...

Don't overrate him man.

[Red Dawg]

Carr walking for nothing is shit! If for some crazy reason a team does want Bowe bad enough to fork over two ones then RG3 would be ours.

Bowe will be a Chief one more year at least, that's good.

[NJChiefsFan]

These recent posts jfc :facepalm:

Guys, the Chiefs would be signing next to no free agents outside of their own they want to keep if they somehow re-signed Bowe and franchised Carr. They don't have 60 million in cap space, or close to it.

When do teams officially have to be under the cap? The Chiefs would be rid of Carr's cap by April the latest, probably before then.

[Red Dawg]

He isnt a top 15 cb jfc.

The hell he isn't.

[-King-]

Actually I have dipshit, I've handled the Costco contract along with the unbelievable amount of returns for various companies so eat a bag of dicks.

How long did those negotiations take?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

When do teams officially have to be under the cap? The Chiefs would be rid of Carr's cap by April the latest, probably before then.

Mar 13 when the year starts.

[Chiefnj2]

He isnt a top 15 cb jfc.

I bet you he gets paid like a top 10 corner.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I bet you he gets paid like a top 10 corner.

Thats on the team that pays it.

[Chiefnj2]

Still 2 weeks to get a deal done, right?

[BryanBusby]

But seriously guys, the amount of money the Chiefs would of been spending on DB's this year would of been fucking insane if they franchised Carr.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Still 2 weeks to get a deal done, right?

Mar 12

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Still 2 weeks to get a deal done, right?

Not gonna happen it you wanna fix the OL and get a QB and add depth.

[jd1020]

Still 2 weeks to get a deal done, right?

They've got til he signs with another team to get a deal done.

But it doesn't take Einstein to see that Carr is looking for $$$$$.

We signed Routt to ~1.5M/y less than Flowers.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Why do you all wanna spend over 100m on corners? when the AFC west WR suck now?

[NJChiefsFan]

Mar 13 when the year starts.

Well if thats true the Chiefs would be in need of trading him in the next week. That would cost them some leverage but I still don't think KC would have a problem fielding a 3rd rounder for him. Teams are going to throw a ton of money at him, I really doubt they wouldn't be willing to give a 3rd to guarantee he takes their money.

The need to not have Carr eating up space during free agency is also assuming KC plans on spending all its money. If Pioli doesn't go after the big names it makes even less sense to not tag/trade Carr.

The big unknown in this specific situation is what Bowe wants. If Bowe is asking for crazy money and a contract was never possible right now then it never made the tag/trade Carr option possible.

[COchief]

But seriously guys, the amount of money the Chiefs would of been spending on DB's this year would of been ****ing insane if they franchised Carr.

Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...

Remember how we got our shit QB, Carr was gone the second the we signed Routt, the only options were whether he walks for nothing or we get a 1/2 for him.

[Lzen]

Don't overrate him man.

:Poke:

[jd1020]

Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...

Remember how we got our shit QB, Carr was gone the second the we signed Routt, the only options were whether he walks for nothing or we get a 1/2 for him.

So you get 1/2 value for a CB who's probably overrated around here and nothing for a WR you have to replace.

We already have Carr's replacement on the roster. Tagging Carr over Bowe would have been fucking stupid.

[COchief]

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[NJChiefsFan]

But seriously guys, the amount of money the Chiefs would of been spending on DB's this year would of been ****ing insane if they franchised Carr.

Why do you all wanna spend over 100m on corners? when the AFC west WR suck now?

The idea is that Carr's cap hit would be moved.

I really think the thought that a team like DAL/DET/NE woudn't pony up is unrealistic.

The point you both made that supports your arguement the most is having cap money to sign guys when FA starts. I personally think we could move Carr in time but its no lock.

[BryanBusby]

Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...
Tag and trade...

Remember how we got our shit QB, Carr was gone the second the we signed Routt, the only options were whether he walks for nothing or we get a 1/2 for him.

"Why sure, we'll give you a draft pick for a player who may not want to come here when we can just watch you suffocate from lack of space and just get him without spending a pick next year"

[COchief]

So you get 1/2 value for a CB who's probably overrated around here and nothing for a WR you have to replace.

We already have Carr's replacement on the roster. Tagging Carr over Bowe would have been ****ing stupid.

Bowe should have been locked up last season or at least last week, then you tag and trade Carr. JFC read the thread.

[jd1020]

Bowe should have been locked up last season or at least last week, then you tag and trade Carr. JFC read the thread.

Why do I have to read a thread when I know Bowe wasn't signed?

WTF do I care about your dumbass scenario that didn't fucking exist?

[NJChiefsFan]

So you get 1/2 value for a CB who's probably overrated around here and nothing for a WR you have to replace.

We already have Carr's replacement on the roster. Tagging Carr over Bowe would have been ****ing stupid.

I think he was implying that you do what it takes to sign Bowe long term, not tag/trade Carr and let Bowe go. That would be the worst possible decision.

[NJChiefsFan]

"Why sure, we'll give you a draft pick for a player who may not want to come here when we can just watch you suffocate from lack of space and just get him without spending a pick next year"

Isn't that how a lot of tag/trade scenarios are though? Its not like other tag/trades had the team giving up the player in better situations yet teams still gave up picks for him.

[jd1020]

I think he was implying that you do what it takes to sign Bowe long term, not tag/trade Carr and let Bowe go. That would be the worst possible decision.

We are doing what it takes by franchising him.

Carr's gone, deal with it. We have Routt.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

This is disappointing. I guess the money we could potentially save on Bowe's long term deal is more appealing than getting a draft pick for Carr. Obviously fans disagree but we also aren't privy to the numbers being discussed between Bowe and the Chiefs.
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[Micjones]

The elephant in the room is...The Chiefs are now talented enough that losing homegrown players is a reality for this franchise (the harsh reality of the business). If Manning is signed later this week though...I think I'll be okay with losing Carr.

[NJChiefsFan]

We are doing what it takes by franchising him.

Carr's gone, deal with it. We have Routt.

I can and will deal with it. That doesn't change the fact that things could have been handled better to help the team. I don't see how pointing this out on the day that Bowe gets tagged and Carr doesn't is anything else but the proper time to do so. If I was bitching about this 3 weeks from now I could understand "getting over it". Its been about an hour since the decision was made.

[DJ's left nut]

I'd still pursue Mike Wallace to play alongside Baldwin and offer Bowe in a trade package to move up for RGIII. Not sure if the Rams can make it work, but you know they'd love to pair Bowe with Bradford next season. I'm betting Martin would still be there for them at 11.

[BryanBusby]

Isn't that how a lot of tag/trade scenarios are though? Its not like other tag/trades had the team giving up the player in better situations yet teams still gave up picks for him.

If it were really as easy as people assume it is, don't you think a lot more teams would be doing exactly that? The Packers definitely could of pulled it off with Matt Flynn and they took a pass.

[jd1020]

I'd still pursue Mike Wallace to play alongside Baldwin and offer Bowe in a trade package to move up for RGIII. Not sure if the Rams can make it work, but you know they'd love to pair Bowe with Bradford next season. I'm betting Martin would still be there for them at 11.

So what are you going to give up with Bowe when going after Wallace is going to use that first round pick?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Did any of you watch the 2nd half of that denver game? Bowe means more to this team then carr.

[HemiEd]

Why would Bowe say this is great news on Twitter? So confused....

That wasn't his twitter account.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

When carr is getting beat bad this year when he is on the number 1 wr all the time. We will need to bump this thread.

[NJChiefsFan]

If it were really as easy as people assume it is, don't you think a lot more teams would be doing exactly that? The Packers definitely could of pulled it off with Matt Flynn and they took a pass.

Thats a good point. However other teams like NE with Cassel have done it with success. I may be overlooking the complexity of it but you and ChiefsandO'sfan seem to be implying that it is impossible when you don't have the leverage. Its been shown to happen when its a player people want.

Did any of you watch the 2nd half of that denver game? Bowe means more to this team then carr.

While people have argued Carr's value over Bowe in other threads, has anyone really attempted to say that in this thread? Even the few that were talking about how good Carr was never said he was more importan than Bowe. They were just saying people would want him and be willing to trade for him.

[Deberg_1990]

The elephant in the room is...The Chiefs are now talented enough that losing homegrown players is a reality for this franchise (the harsh reality of the business). If Manning is signed later this week though...I think I'll be okay with losing Carr.

exactly the problem. If the Chiefs had a franchise QB, stuff like this wouldnt cause such a ruckus among fans. Because the Chiefs are missing the "key ingriedient", all other player moves or no moves are accentuated.


Look how many spare parts the Patriots, Colts, Steeler, etc...s have lost and interchanged over the years.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

When carr is getting beat bad this year when he is on the number 1 wr all the time. We will need to bump this thread.

People are more upset about losing him for nothing. We all know this team wants to and eventually will sign DBowe long term. We are wasting an opportunity here.
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[ShowtimeSBMVP]

People are more upset about losing him for nothing. We all know this team wants to and eventually will sign DBowe long term. We are wasting an opportunity here.
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Happens to all the teams in the NFL.

[NJChiefsFan]

exactly the problem. If the Chiefs had a franchise QB, stuff like this wouldnt cause such a ruckus among fans. Because the Chiefs are missing the "key ingriedient", all other player moves or no moves are accentuated.


Look how many spare parts the Patriots, Colts, Steeler, etc...s have lost and interchanged over the years.

That is one of the bigger values of a franchise QB. It allows you to not only be flexable but make mistakes. Pioli sticking with Cassel would force him to hit a homerun on almost every other move. When you have a guy like Brady you can seriously screw up some picks and still be succesful. How bad would a team be getting ripped if they had a the defense NE does without a franchise QB?

[jd1020]

Happens to all the teams in the NFL.

I'm betting the Saints are wishing they didn't have to use their tag on Brees.

[NJChiefsFan]

Happens to all the teams in the NFL.

Yes it does. The point was that people were mad about losing Carr, not that they think he is more valuable than Bowe which is what you have implied your past few posts.

[DJ's left nut]

So what are you going to give up with Bowe when going after Wallace is going to use that first round pick?

Oh. Did they tag him? Last I read was that the Steelers were going to let him walk.

If that's changed, my bad (ah, he's an RFA; my mistake).

Well hell, switch that to Colston and see what we can do. Unless Colston is also an RFA, then go to Manningham.

Just keep on truckin' till we hit a WR that we're actually allowed to sign.

[BryanBusby]

Thats a good point. However other teams like NE with Cassel have done it with success. I may be overlooking the complexity of it but you and ChiefsandO'sfan seem to be implying that it is impossible when you don't have the leverage. Its been shown to happen when its a player people want.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that if they don't succeed.......well they are fucked. Even if they are successful, it'd take awhile as other teams would wait until the unrestricted free agency situation sorts itself out as there are some other options there and plenty of options to take a look at in the draft.

In the mean time, they'd be handicapping themselves in being able to re-sign their own Free Agents and to add some others from outside.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Happens to all the teams in the NFL.

But to squander it over most likely a few million guaranteed to one of our best players, who has been a part of this team from the days of shit is dumb.
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[jd1020]

Oh. Did they tag him? Last I read was that the Steelers were going to let him walk.

If that's changed, my bad.

(If so, switch that to Colston and see what we can do)

He's a RFA. He's going to get a 1st round tender.

[HemiEd]

He isnt a top 15 cb jfc.

whut?

[NJChiefsFan]

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that if they don't succeed.......well they are ****ed. Even if they are successful, it'd take awhile as other teams would wait until the unrestricted free agency situation sorts itself out as there are some other options there and plenty of options to take a look at in the draft.

In the mean time, they'd be handicapping themselves in being able to re-sign their own Free Agents and to add some others from outside.

Fair enough.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

For real people carr's not a top 15 cb.

[the Talking Can]

exactly the problem. If the Chiefs had a franchise QB, stuff like this wouldnt cause such a ruckus among fans. Because the Chiefs are missing the "key ingriedient", all other player moves or no moves are accentuated.


Look how many spare parts the Patriots, Colts, Steeler, etc...s have lost and interchanged over the years.

and makes clear how fucking stupid the whole "oh noes! we can't trade draft picks for a QB! It risky!" argument is...

we drafted carr, watched him become a good player, and now will watch him leave...for nothing...and without a QB, what was he really worth? anything?

we didn't win shit with him...fetishizing draft picks while you refuse to acquire a fucking QB is dumb dumb dumb dumb...dumb

[NJChiefsFan]

People seem to think that gathering a ton of talent and then finding a real QB is a good idea. Its the other way around. You find your QB and build around them. In the process you can actually win before you think you can. You can't do that the other way around and the Chiefs have proven it for 40 years.

[Dave Lane]

I know this is sacrilegious here in Peyton Place, but what about signing Brees to a Poison pill contract and give the Saints 2 1st? They are going to need them anyway, the NFL needs to take something from them. :)

He's 32 and probably has 5-7 years left he could play. We have the cap room the Saints can't match. Just saying, If Peyton doesn't work out, Plan B?

What say you?

[jd1020]

I know this is sacrilegious here in Peyton Place, but what about signing Brees to a Poison pill contract and give the Saints 2 1st? They are going to need them anyway, the NFL needs to take something from them. :)

He's 32 and probably has 5-7 years left he could play. We have the cap room the Saints can't match. Just saying, If Peyton doesn't work out, Plan B?

What say you?

We cant even talk to Brees...

The Saints tagged Brees with the exclusive tag.

[Nightfyre]

I know this is sacrilegious here in Peyton Place, but what about signing Brees to a Poison pill contract and give the Saints 2 1st? They are going to need them anyway, the NFL needs to take something from them. :)

He's 32 and probably has 5-7 years left he could play. We have the cap room the Saints can't match. Just saying, If Peyton doesn't work out, Plan B?

What say you?

Under the rules of the exclusive franchise tag, Brees can't be contacted by other teams and remains exclusive property of the Saints.

[Dave Lane]

We cant even talk to Brees...

The Saints tagged Brees with the exclusive tag.

Oh chit. I thought we could make an offer like someone could Bowe.

[BigCatDaddy]

I know this is sacrilegious here in Peyton Place, but what about signing Brees to a Poison pill contract and give the Saints 2 1st? They are going to need them anyway, the NFL needs to take something from them. :)

He's 32 and probably has 5-7 years left he could play. We have the cap room the Saints can't match. Just saying, If Peyton doesn't work out, Plan B?

What say you?

We can't do it.

Please stick to being the anti-religous guy.

[Titty Meat]

We didn't spend money for 3 years to let Carr walk.

[zonachief]

The elephant in the room is...The Chiefs are now talented enough that losing homegrown players is a reality for this franchise (the harsh reality of the business). If Manning is signed later this week though...I think I'll be okay with losing Carr.

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[dirk digler]

We didn't spend money for 3 years to let Carr walk.

So you think that the Chiefs will resign him? I just don't see it but I could be wrong.

[The Bad Guy]

We didn't spend money for 3 years to let Carr walk.

To be fair, they've locked up a vast majority of the young talent they had.

No one really knows Carr's expectations at a contract, but I agree tying up over 100 million in contracts to 3 corners is stupid business.

[htismaqe]

To be fair, they've locked up a vast majority of the young talent they had.

No one really knows Carr's expectations at a contract, but I agree tying up over 100 million in contracts to 3 corners is stupid business.

As much as I wish they would have inked Carr instead of Routt, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day if they do something good at the QB position.

[VikesFan]

Would be cool to trade Bowe for two 1sts, trade up and snag Griffin.

Two 1sts? ROFL:shake:

[dirk digler]

As much as I wish they would have inked Carr instead of Routt, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day if they do something good at the QB position.

Yeah but what is the likelihood of that happening?

[KCrockaholic]

Bowe got the non-exclusive tag.

That's actually interesting news.

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[htismaqe]

Yeah but what is the likelihood of that happening?

The closer we get, the more I think it's a given. I think they know the fans are fed up with Cassel and they're scared to death of an empty Arrowhead next year.

[keg in kc]

As much as I wish they would have inked Carr instead of Routt, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day if they do something good at the QB position.Yeah. And people talk about Routt's contract like it's a big one, but realistically it's a fraction of what he signed with Oakland last year. He's making #2 corner money here. And he's really beside the point. He's not the issue. The issue is whether any franchise can or should really afford to pay two starting corners premium money. Which is what would be happening with Carr. You can debate whether they took the wrong one in keeping Flowers, but the main deal is that they did keep one. We'll see where Carr signs, when/if he signs somewhere else. But even without him, we do have a #1 and a #2, as well as the nickel and dimes. It's not like he's leaving and Arenas is starting.

They've got to fix the QB. If they can afford to sign Manning, great. If they can draft one, great. If keeping two corners with #1 salaries prevents either of those scenarios, not-so-great. It's the old addage about strength at one position hurting strength at others (something the Colts themselves know a little about). You can't afford to put all your eggs in one basket, because it leaves you exposed in other areas. Which has been our problem here for years, on both sides of the ball (i.e. when good on offense, holes on defense; when good on defense, no QB).

[Mr. Laz]

Bowe got the non-exclusive tag.

That's actually interesting news.
cost like 1.5 million less cap space

also could mean they wouldn't mind if someone signed him and they got the picks.

if they have their eye on a Manning/Wayne package they might want the picks.

[ModSocks]

Bowe got the non-exclusive tag.

That's actually interesting news.

Chiefs assigned the franchise tag to WR Dwayne Bowe.
Kansas City waited until there were 20 minutes left before the end of the franchise tag period. The wideout market remains strong, even with Bowe, Wes Welker, Stevie Johnson, and DeSean Jackson returning to their respective teams. Bowe, 27, is rumored to be asking for exorbitant money, pursuing a contract in excess of what Vincent Jackson may receive on the open market. Therefore, it seems likely that Bowe will play the upcoming season on his one-year tender. Bowe set a career-high with 81 receptions in 2011 despite having to play with zero running game and four starts of Tyler Palko. Expect borderline WR1 production in 2012.

I wonder what "Exorbitant" actually means. If true, we could be looking at Bowe as a one year rental.

If they're that far apart on a contract, that'd easily explain the non-exclusive tag

[dirk digler]

The closer we get, the more I think it's a given. I think they know the fans are fed up with Cassel and they're scared to death of an empty Arrowhead next year.

I am not as optimistic as you are. I think they try to roll with Cassel and hope Daboll will work his magic like he did with Matt Moore

[Mr. Laz]

Chiefs assigned the franchise tag to WR Dwayne Bowe.
Kansas City waited until there were 20 minutes left before the end of the franchise tag period. The wideout market remains strong, even with Bowe, Wes Welker, Stevie Johnson, and DeSean Jackson returning to their respective teams. Bowe, 27, is rumored to be asking for exorbitant money, pursuing a contract in excess of what Vincent Jackson may receive on the open market. Therefore, it seems likely that Bowe will play the upcoming season on his one-year tender. Bowe set a career-high with 81 receptions in 2011 despite having to play with zero running game and four starts of Tyler Palko. Expect borderline WR1 production in 2012.

I wonder what "Exorbitant" actually means. If true, we could be looking at Bowe as a one year rental.

If they're that far apart on a contract, that'd easily explain the non-exclusive tag
yea, Bowe thinks he's Fitzgerald and want that kind of money.

i bet Carr had Revis stars in his eyes.

[BryanBusby]

Chiefs assigned the franchise tag to WR Dwayne Bowe.
Kansas City waited until there were 20 minutes left before the end of the franchise tag period. The wideout market remains strong, even with Bowe, Wes Welker, Stevie Johnson, and DeSean Jackson returning to their respective teams. Bowe, 27, is rumored to be asking for exorbitant money, pursuing a contract in excess of what Vincent Jackson may receive on the open market. Therefore, it seems likely that Bowe will play the upcoming season on his one-year tender. Bowe set a career-high with 81 receptions in 2011 despite having to play with zero running game and four starts of Tyler Palko. Expect borderline WR1 production in 2012.

I wonder what "Exorbitant" actually means. If true, we could be looking at Bowe as a one year rental.

If they're that far apart on a contract, that'd easily explain the non-exclusive tag
or nobody would actually give up 2 firsts for Bowe, so exclusive tagging him would just be pissing away more money/cap space for no reason.

[Setsuna]

Why do you all wanna spend over 100m on corners? when the AFC west WR suck now?

Oh because if you happen to get into the SB and you are playing the Giants or the Packers, and you have one good corner. You fucking lose. "Yeah but we got there!" You still fucking lose. Stfu

[htismaqe]

I am not as optimistic as you are. I think they try to roll with Cassel and hope Daboll will work his magic like he did with Matt Moore

Did you just say Daboll and "magic" in the same sentence?

http://www.davidengel.biz/img/clowns/el-magnifico1.jpg

[Nightfyre]

Oh because if you happen to get into the SB and you are playing the Giants or the Packers, and you have one good corner. You ****ing lose. "Yeah but we got there!" You still ****ing lose. Stfu

The Giants CB suck and they still won. Pass-rush defeats the passing game, not CBs. You stfu.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

So what is special about a non-exclusive tag vs a "regular" tag?

[dirk digler]

Did you just say Daboll and "magic" in the same sentence?

http://www.davidengel.biz/img/clowns/el-magnifico1.jpg

LMAO Yep. He made Matt Moore look like a decent QB which would be a major step up for Cassel.

[KCrockaholic]

So what is special about a non-exclusive tag vs a "regular" tag?

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The players' team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive one first-round draft pick as compensation.

[Setsuna]

Oh and no way in hell Peyton is signing here. With 30M, that shit ain't enough.

[Setsuna]

The Giants CB suck and they still won. Pass-rush defeats the passing game, not CBs. You stfu.

They played the damn Pats. Who have ZERO receivers. Wes Welker is decent. I mean a team with 2-3 threats receiving. Not one slot dude who can't go deep. YOU STFU. :harumph:

[htismaqe]

Oh and no way in hell Peyton is signing here. With 30M, that shit ain't enough.

If the Chiefs don't have the cap room to sign him, NOBODY does.

[petegz28]

The Giants CB suck and they still won. Pass-rush defeats the passing game, not CBs. You stfu.

Agreed, a good pass-rush makes average corners look good. A bad pass rush will expose the best CB's.

[The Bad Guy]

Oh and no way in hell Peyton is signing here. With 30M, that shit ain't enough.

Do you even understand how the salary cap works?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The players' team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive one first-round draft pick as compensation.

Sweet.

So non-exclusive is...good for us?

If someone offers Bowe a contract and we do not match it and let him walk...we get compensated a 1st rnd draft pick?

[Nightfyre]

They played the damn Pats. Who have ZERO receivers. Wes Welker is decent. I mean a team with 2-3 threats receiving. Not one slot dude who can't go deep. YOU STFU. :harumph:

You STFU noob. You specifically cited the packers. The Giants went through the Falcons (who have elite weapons) and the Packers. Moron.

[jd1020]

Sweet.

So non-exclusive is...good for us?

If someone offers Bowe a contract and we do not match it and let him walk...we get compensated a 1st rnd draft pick?

2 1st round picks... AKA: Never. Gonna. Happen.

[KCrockaholic]

Sweet.

So non-exclusive is...good for us?

If someone offers Bowe a contract and we do not match it and let him walk...we get compensated a 1st rnd draft pick?

Yes. Although it may be 2. IDK. I'm still trying to figure out all the new CBA rules.

[Micjones]

If the Chiefs don't have the cap room to sign him, NOBODY does.

Basically.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Sweet.

So non-exclusive is...good for us?

If someone offers Bowe a contract and we do not match it and let him walk...we get compensated a 1st rnd draft pick?

Have you seen the wr market? No team is gonna make a play for bowe.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

2 1st round picks... AKA: Never. Gonna. Happen.

So why tagging him non-exclusive...are we just trying to be "nice" in allowing him to meet with other teams?

[jd1020]

So why tagging him non-exclusive...are we just trying to be "nice" in allowing him to meet with other teams?

It saves a bit of money. 2M, I believe.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Have you seen the wr market? No team is gonna make a play for bowe.

Yup.

Just wondering WHY we would tag him non-exclusive...

[O.city]

The non exclusive tag is less money.

[Setsuna]

If the Chiefs don't have the cap room to sign him, NOBODY does.

Jags got 60M man. Beat that!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

It saves a bit of money. 2M, I believe.

Of course...I should have known.

[Micjones]

Yes. Although it may be 2. IDK. I'm still trying to figure out all the new CBA rules.

We'd get two.

[Micjones]

Of course...I should have known.

Will it matter if Manning is signed?
That would all but guarantee that Bowe works out a reasonable long-term deal to stay.

[KCDC]

You tag him nonexclusive to save money, to allow Bowe to hear what other teams might offer (which might not be the amount he hopes for), and if the Pats want to sign him, they can give us their two low round first round picks.

[O.city]

Alrighty then, got Bowe done for next year.


Sign Soliai and some depth, trade up for RGIII and lets do this thing.

[CoMoChief]

Alrighty then, got Bowe done for next year.


Sign Soliai and some depth, trade up for RGIII and lets do this thing.

What ammo do we have to trade up with?

[NJChiefsFan]

Jags got 60M man. Beat that!

You don't honestly think Manning is going to a team that can't win a SB do you? I am not saying he goes to KC but he isn't going to the highest bidder. Especially when a team like KC is good and has money.

[O.city]

What ammo do we have to trade up with?

Gonna have to use a shit load of picks.

[Red Dawg]

Alrighty then, got Bowe done for next year.


Sign Soliai and some depth, trade up for RGIII and lets do this thing.

Man do I like the way you think! Trade up and get us some of that RG3 Mojo and LET'S DO THIS THING!

[Titty Meat]

Do you even understand how the salary cap works?

You heard anything about Manning?

[J Diddy]

Yup.

Just wondering WHY we would tag him non-exclusive...


To see if there are offers. Same way we got cassell. I doubt we get 2 1sts but we will see.

[Micjones]

To see if there are offers. Same way we got cassell. I doubt we get 2 1sts but we will see.

No way anybody's dumb enough to give up two #1's for Bowe.

[stonedstooge]

To see if there are offers. Same way we got cassell. I doubt we get 2 1sts but we will see.

Who or what determines the draft picks? When people talked about Carr being tagged wasn't it a much lower pick that he would trigger?

[BryanBusby]

Jags got 60M man. Beat that!

Who the fuck wants to be there though? Certainly ain't the fans considering the tarps.

[Setsuna]

You don't honestly think Manning is going to a team that can't win a SB do you? I am not saying he goes to KC but he isn't going to the highest bidder. Especially when a team like KC is good and has money.

We had a top 10 defense last year. All we need is some receivers. A la Wayne and even Vincent Jackson. Then add manning and we set dawg. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll wait.


Who the **** wants to be there though? Certainly ain't the fans considering the tarps.
What? Tarps? You lost me.

[KCrockaholic]

We had a top 10 defense last year. All we need is some receivers. A la Wayne and even Vincent Jackson. Then add manning and we set dawg. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll wait.



What? Tarps? You lost me.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/23/shad-khan-views-tarps-in-jacksonville-as-a-sign-of-failure/

[Brock]

We had a top 10 defense last year. All we need is some receivers. A la Wayne and even Vincent Jackson. Then add manning and we set dawg. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll wait.



What? Tarps? You lost me.

How does a jags fan not know that a tarp is?

[Setsuna]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/23/shad-khan-views-tarps-in-jacksonville-as-a-sign-of-failure/

How does a jags fan not know that a tarp is?

Oh THAT shit!? Dude that's because our stadium is like among the top 5 largest in the league. And that's only because we have FL/GA. That's the only reason for those extra seats. Tarp or not, it will always look like we aren't filling the seats when in fact we are. No story dudes.

[NJChiefsFan]

We had a top 10 defense last year. All we need is some receivers. A la Wayne and even Vincent Jackson. Then add manning and we set dawg. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll wait.



What? Tarps? You lost me.

What I think of Jac doesn't matter. I don't think they are a bad team, especially if you get Manning and WR. The question is, do you really believe Manning is going to seriously consider JAX or pick them over a team like KC or MIA.

[Brock]

Oh THAT shit!? Dude that's because our stadium is like among the top 5 largest in the league. And that's only because we have FL/GA. That's the only reason for those extra seats. Tarp or not, it will always look like we aren't filling the seats when in fact we are. No story dudes.

ROFL Yeah, ok. It has fewer seats than Arrowhead stadium WITHOUT the tarps.

[NJChiefsFan]

Oh THAT shit!? Dude that's because our stadium is like among the top 5 largest in the league. And that's only because we have FL/GA. That's the only reason for those extra seats. Tarp or not, it will always look like we aren't filling the seats when in fact we are. No story dudes.

Whats the stadium capacity and your average attendance? Just curious not trying to poke. As a Devils and Nets fan I am not one to make fun of attendance.

[Setsuna]

Whats the stadium capacity and your average attendance? Just curious not trying to poke. As a Devils and Nets fan I am not one to make fun of attendance.

84,000 max capacity. Average attendance not sure. I honestly don't think it's that good. Maybe 60% capacity for NFL games which is 76k.

[Brock]

84,000 max capacity. Average attendance not sure. I honestly don't think it's that good. Maybe 60% capacity for NFL games which is 76k.

that's all crap.

[O.city]

So tagging Bowe, puts us at what salary cap wise? I'm to lazy to look at old posts?


About 20 million give or take?

[BryanBusby]

So tagging Bowe, puts us at what salary cap wise? I'm to lazy to look at old posts?


About 20 million give or take?

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/02/18/3437420/chiefs-2012-salary-cap-breakdown.html

According to that (which is using 2011 cap figure as a basis), 37 million. That doesn't include Routt, or the 9.4 million charge Bowe will incur. Routt will eat up over 6 and the Chiefs recently signed some scrub, so lets say 16 million has been ate up since that post.

That drags the actual free space down 21 million. They will need to set aside around another 5 for the rookie pool, so take that down to 16. The cap will certainly go up this year, so anywhere from 16-20 million I'd guess.

That's a decent chunk of cash, but they also have 21 players about to become Free Agents.

[O.city]

I'm not sure we have the money to sign Manning and Soliai. Likely one or the other.


Just sign Soliai, trade some picks if we can and get RGIII. Then you aren't spending as much on draft picks?

[BryanBusby]

Don't see the Chiefs moving up for RG3. I don't see why the Rams would want to move out of range to get an elite talent to scoop up a bunch of future picks that would have a higher likelyhood of returning as lower in said round. Instead they can just move down a few spots and choose between getting more of a sure thing from Cleveland, or a better chance of higher slotted future selections as the Redskins are an abortion but still land an elite talent.

I'm sure people will daydream about this possibility all the way to the draft, than type many angry words about Scott Pioli when it does not happen, but lets not pretend this is anything more than just a pipe dream.

As for the cap space, there's room to free up more space. The Chiefs could likely gain a good amount of space by inking Dorsey to a new deal. If they were to sign Manning, they could force Cassel to take a pay cut or release him for cap relief.

[O.city]

Something is gonna be done about he qb spot. I think the front office is feeling some heat about it.

There is too much smoke coming from them for nothing to happen.


If the Chiefs want to get that high to draft him, they are gonna have to get bold. It's gonna cost alot. Some here would do it, some think it's pretty stupid.

I see both sides. Part of me says "fuck it" do it and see what happens. Part says to be cautious. I don't know whats going down.

[Mr. Laz]

I'm not sure we have the money to sign Manning and Soliai. Likely one or the other.


Just sign Soliai, trade some picks if we can and get RGIII. Then you aren't spending as much on draft picks?

Did you see how many players the Eagles signed in one year?

I don't think they had anywhere near the cap room to start with as we do now either. The Chiefs have tons of room to sign guys if they really want to.

[O.city]

Did you see how many players the Eagles signed in one year?

I don't think they had anywhere near the cap room to start with as we do now either. The Chiefs have tons of room to sign guys if they really want to.

We are gonna have to restructure some deals to get there.

[Psyko Tek]

Id rather have Bowe and Routt than Carr. If we had franchised Carr and let Bowe walk, we wouldn't have gotten a player even close to being as good as he is. We did that with Carr at least. Routt is close to being as good as Carr is.
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I am not convinced flowers is as good as carr
hope they find a way to keep him
doubt it

[Brianfo]

Don't see the Chiefs moving up for RG3. I don't see why the Rams would want to move out of range to get an elite talent to scoop up a bunch of future picks that would have a higher likelyhood of returning as lower in said round. Instead they can just move down a few spots and choose between getting more of a sure thing from Cleveland, or a better chance of higher slotted future selections as the Redskins are an abortion but still land an elite talent.

I'm sure people will daydream about this possibility all the way to the draft, than type many angry words about Scott Pioli when it does not happen, but lets not pretend this is anything more than just a pipe dream.

As for the cap space, there's room to free up more space. The Chiefs could likely gain a good amount of space by inking Dorsey to a new deal. If they were to sign Manning, they could force Cassel to take a pay cut or release him for cap relief.

Pretty damn solid post. I am also of the opinion that it's Manning or bust. Much to my dismay. We don't have the gonads to go up and get RG3.

[BryanBusby]

Something is gonna be done about he qb spot. I think the front office is feeling some heat about it.

There is too much smoke coming from them for nothing to happen.


If the Chiefs want to get that high to draft him, they are gonna have to get bold. It's gonna cost alot. Some here would do it, some think it's pretty stupid.

I see both sides. Part of me says "fuck it" do it and see what happens. Part says to be cautious. I don't know whats going down.

I think something will happen, but I just don't see it being RG3. They can offer all the want, but the Rams have to be willing to strike a deal.

If you already have the Redskins (at 6) lapping up all the dumb bullshit you're throwing out there, why would you give a fuck what the Chiefs have to say? St. Louis has been treating the #2 pick like a prom night dumpster baby from the start, but the Redskins are determined to go all Daniel Snyder.

[O.city]

I think something will happen, but I just don't see it being RG3. They can offer all the want, but the Rams have to be willing to strike a deal.

If you already have the Redskins (at 6) lapping up all the dumb bullshit you're throwing out there, why would you give a **** what the Chiefs have to say? St. Louis has been treating the #2 pick like a prom night dumpster baby from the start, but the Redskins are determined to go all Daniel Snyder.

It just all depends what the teams ahead of them do. They can price the Chiefs out of the thing in the beginning. But if a couple of those teams cool on what they are willing to give up and the Chiefs go a little bigger, maybe the Rams spook and make a deal.


I don't know how the Chiefs really can do it without throwing in a player or getting a pick somewhere else.

Like youa re saying to get above those teams, it's gonna be expensive.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

We are gonna have to restructure some deals to get there.

Sorry, but you have a bad habit of being stupid !

[O.city]

Sorry, but you have a bad habit of being stupid !

Hows that?


I don't think the front office will spend all of that money. Say they have 20 or so million left to spend. I don't see them maxing out the cap.


Even next year, when we absolutely have to spend, we only have to get to within what 90 percent of the cap?

[Psyko Tek]

If V Jackson leaves the AFC west Flowers and Routt are gonna have easy games vs the AFC WEST.

WHAT tebow will rip them apart
or maybe rivers when DJ and Hali aren't making him cry
or carson palmer

[tredadda]

Thats a good point. However other teams like NE with Cassel have done it with success. I may be overlooking the complexity of it but you and ChiefsandO'sfan seem to be implying that it is impossible when you don't have the leverage. Its been shown to happen when its a player people want.



While people have argued Carr's value over Bowe in other threads, has anyone really attempted to say that in this thread? Even the few that were talking about how good Carr was never said he was more importan than Bowe. They were just saying people would want him and be willing to trade for him.

NE pulled it off because the Executive of the Decade and their Vice President of Player Personnel just happened to leave them after NE franchised Cassel. He came to KC and knew we needed a QB, thusly giving up a second for our crap sandwich of a QB.

[O.city]

Say we do go after Manning. Anyone have an idea how much he might cost?

[BryanBusby]

It just all depends what the teams ahead of them do. They can price the Chiefs out of the thing in the beginning. But if a couple of those teams cool on what they are willing to give up and the Chiefs go a little bigger, maybe the Rams spook and make a deal.


I don't know how the Chiefs really can do it without throwing in a player or getting a pick somewhere else.

Like youa re saying to get above those teams, it's gonna be expensive.

This would be the most ideal situation for those that want to hop aboard the RG3 express:

Browns sign Matt Flynn in FA (This could happen. They will not have to part with any draft picks, the Big Show likes him some Packer QBs and it'd free them up to draft Trent Richardson+WR to have an offense that doesn't suck total shit)

Daniel Snyder has a change of heart and decides he wants more instant results from his real life fantasy team and makes it rain on Peyton Manning, because fuck Stephen Ross "I make the top stupid decisions here!"

If the Browns and Redskins bow out, the pool of potential traders dries up quickly. The only team ahead of the Chiefs at that point who could join the pool would be Miami, and they're not going to be overly desperate because Matt Moore is still under contract and actually played pretty damn well. By then the Rams may say fuck it and just draft Kalil, but the Vikings are next and they are even more desperate to move down. I think if you offer them a future one, they will settle with Michael Floyd or Jon Martin.

[tredadda]

Don't see the Chiefs moving up for RG3. I don't see why the Rams would want to move out of range to get an elite talent to scoop up a bunch of future picks that would have a higher likelyhood of returning as lower in said round. Instead they can just move down a few spots and choose between getting more of a sure thing from Cleveland, or a better chance of higher slotted future selections as the Redskins are an abortion but still land an elite talent.

I'm sure people will daydream about this possibility all the way to the draft, than type many angry words about Scott Pioli when it does not happen, but lets not pretend this is anything more than just a pipe dream.

As for the cap space, there's room to free up more space. The Chiefs could likely gain a good amount of space by inking Dorsey to a new deal. If they were to sign Manning, they could force Cassel to take a pay cut or release him for cap relief.

Problem with that is there is no incentive for Cleveland to give up much to move up as they can just sit there at #4 and land RGIII without giving up anything. Washington will only give up so much, or they could just sign Peyton or someone like Flynn if STL wants too much. We can offer more potentially than either as we are arguably the most talented team drafting in the Top 15. We can afford to lose more picks than either of them. For STL more picks from KC is better than sitting at #2 and having to draft someone. Plus if they are truly in cap hell, trading back to a spot like ours gives them a great player still while spending less money on him.

[tredadda]

Say we do go after Manning. Anyone have an idea how much he might cost?

Indy is on the hook for $28 million. Not sure he will sign for much less.

[Setsuna]

You STFU noob. You specifically cited the packers. The Giants went through the Falcons (who have elite weapons) and the Packers. Moron.

Noooooooooooooooo! Foiled again.

[Titty Meat]

I bet Manning will get 18-20 mil a year atleast.

[O.city]

This would be the most ideal situation for those that want to hop aboard the RG3 express:

Browns sign Matt Flynn in FA (This could happen. They will not have to part with any draft picks, the Big Show likes him some Packer QBs and it'd free them up to draft Trent Richardson+WR to have an offense that doesn't suck total shit)

Daniel Snyder has a change of heart and decides he wants more instant results from his real life fantasy team and makes it rain on Peyton Manning, because **** Stephen Ross "I make the top stupid decisions here!"

If the Browns and Redskins bow out, the pool of potential traders dries up quickly. The only team ahead of the Chiefs at that point who could join the pool would be Miami, and they're not going to be overly desperate because Matt Moore is still under contract and actually played pretty damn well. By then the Rams may say **** it and just draft Kalil, but the Vikings are next and they are even more desperate to move down. I think if you offer them a future one, they will settle with Michael Floyd or Jon Martin.


Thats gonna be the key.


Some of these teams are gonna scare off and pick up a free agent.

Like tredadda said, if the Browns want to sit tight and the Rams decide on Kalil, the Vikes are willing to trade the pick.

[BryanBusby]

Problem with that is there is no incentive for Cleveland to give up much to move up as they can just sit there at #4 and land RGIII without giving up anything. Washington will only give up so much, or they could just sign Peyton or someone like Flynn if STL wants too much. We can offer more potentially than either as we are arguably the most talented team drafting in the Top 15. We can afford to lose more picks than either of them. For STL more picks from KC is better than sitting at #2 and having to draft someone. Plus if they are truly in cap hell, trading back to a spot like ours gives them a great player still while spending less money on him.

There still is incentive because the Vikings are even more desperate to move down, think Ponder is a franchise QB for god knows what reason (so RG3 won't be in their plans) and hold the pick before Cleveland.

[O.city]

Indy is on the hook for $28 million. Not sure he will sign for much less.

Indy is on the hook for more than that.


Thats just a bonus. I think they still have to pay some salary of his this year.

[O.city]

That's something to think about.


Get a backdoor deal with the Vikes quietly done. Picks plus Dorsey or something like that kept quiet just incase the Browns try and sit at four and no one caves to the Rams demands.

[Titty Meat]

Looks like the Dolphins have 14 mil in cap space. You can't tell me that the Dolphins are a better team and you can't tell me that if the Chiefs offer Manning 20 mil a year the Dolphins can match it.

[stonedstooge]

Indy is on the hook for $28 million. Not sure he will sign for much less.

Isn't that just a bonus on top of his salary?

[O.city]

Looks like the Dolphins have 14 mil in cap space. You can't tell me that the Dolphins are a better team and you can't tell me that if the Chiefs offer Manning 20 mil a year the Dolphins can match it.

Thats true.


I don't think Manning will cost 20, coming off that injury.

[BryanBusby]

Isn't that just a bonus on top of his salary?

Yep. What a terribly written contract.

Looks like the Dolphins have 14 mil in cap space. You can't tell me that the Dolphins are a better team and you can't tell me that if the Chiefs offer Manning 20 mil a year the Dolphins can match it.

If the Dolphins owner wasn't bat shit insane, I'd say there's no way Miami would be in the mix. Even if you get Manning and draft him a Right Tackle that doesn't blow, they are still missing pieces on Defense since they are moving to the 4-3....right after the finally got all the pieces in place for the 3-4.

[Titty Meat]

Yep. What a terribly written contract.



If the Dolphins owner wasn't bat shit insane, I'd say there's no way Miami would be in the mix. Even if you get Manning and draft him a Right Tackle that doesn't blow, they are still missing pieces on Defense since they are moving to the 4-3....right after the finally got all the pieces in place for the 3-4.

Peyton seems like a smart guy I don't know why he'd want to waste his last few years in Miami. That team isn't competing for a championship this year with a first year head coach either.

[O.city]

So you've got some free agent qbs out there that are gonna end up somewhere.


Flynn
Orton
Manning
Campbell
V. Young *possibly*

Best case scenario is that the Browns want to keep their picks so they just sit tight and hope RGIII falls to them at 4.

The Skins get nervous and give up a shit load of money to get Orton or Manning. Flynn goes to the Phins, or maybe the Browns.

Bang we are in business in moving up to the Vikes spot.

Only problem is that you know th eRams are gonna be on the phone to everyone trying to get the best deal.

[O.city]

Peyton seems like a smart guy I don't know why he'd want to waste his last few years in Miami. That team isn't competing for a championship this year with a first year head coach either.

He would have to play Brady twice, the Jets blitz happy D twice, and the Bills twice.


Or he could play the Raiders, The Tebows, and the Chargers twice.


Take your pick.

[BryanBusby]

Minimum of 8 guaranteed warm games and ungodly amounts of money would help sway his decision. Money always talks.

The Dolphins could make more cap space by restructuring deals from recent Free Agent signings, and the Dolphins aren't that horrible.

[O.city]

Minimum of 8 guaranteed warm games and ungodly amounts of money would help sway his decision. Money always talks.

The Dolphins could make more cap space by restructuring deals from recent Free Agent signings, and the Dolphins aren't that horrible.

Well, the Phins are possibly gonna be without their best olineman and are totally changing their defense from a 34 to a 43. That's not gonna happen over night.


I'm not sure money is gonna be the driving factor for Manning.

[O.city]

Essentially it's gonna be a who blinks first kinda deal.

[Titty Meat]

Maybe I'm just bias but their best player is a head case.

[BryanBusby]

Well, the Phins are possibly gonna be without their best olineman and are totally changing their defense from a 34 to a 43. That's not gonna happen over night.


I'm not sure money is gonna be the driving factor for Manning.

Jake Long should be fine.

I think the biggest argument against Manning to Miami is Philbin wants to run his own system with his own guy, not Peyton and Peytons system. The owner is basically the only one that really really wants him.

That's the definition of a toxic environment, and I'd try to avoid a situation like that.

[kysirsoze]

Well, the Phins are possibly gonna be without their best olineman and are totally changing their defense from a 34 to a 43. That's not gonna happen over night.


I'm not sure money is gonna be the driving factor for Manning.

He said that he would be willing to take a heavily incentive laden contract. Sounds like a guy who wants to win more than wants a paycheck. If he performs at an elite level, I'd be happy with whatever we pay him.

[O.city]

Jake Long should be fine.

I think the biggest argument against Manning to Miami is Philbin wants to run his own system with his own guy, not Peyton and Peytons system. The owner is basically the only one that really really wants him.

That's the definition of a toxic environment, and I'd try to avoid a situation like that.

What was Longs injury? Wasn't it a torn pectoral muscle?


He will probably be fine.

[O.city]

One of the biggest knocks against Miami is the division they are in.


Does Manning make the Phins a lock to win that division in the next 3 or 4 years?

[KCrockaholic]

One of the biggest knocks against Miami is the division they are in.


Does Manning make the Phins a lock to win that division in the next 3 or 4 years?

You're expecting too much if you're looking at 4 years of Manning. He's a win now QB. Whoever he ends up with has to expect to win the SB, or at least be extremely competitive for about 2 years max. Anything else out of Peyton is just icing on the cake. His body is wearing down. His neck might not make it past 1 more year.

But a team like KC, or maybe the Jets could make a move for him because having an elite QB could set them over the top. I believe the Chiefs would be an immediate SB contender, and an easy pick for AFC West champions with Peyton in 2012.

[O.city]

You're expecting too much if you're looking at 4 years of Manning. He's a win now QB. Whoever he ends up with has to expect to win the SB, or at least be extremely competitive for about 2 years max. Anything else out of Peyton is just icing on the cake. His body is wearing down. His neck might not make it past 1 more year.

But a team like KC, or maybe the Jets could make a move for him because having an elite QB could set them over the top. I believe the Chiefs would be an immediate SB contender, and an easy pick for AFC West champions with Peyton in 2012.

If he is as healthy as it is being rumored, I don't see why he can't play for atleast 3 years.

[KCrockaholic]

If he is as healthy as it is being rumored, I don't see why he can't play for atleast 3 years.

But could he play at a high level in 2014 should be the question. He probably CAN play 3-4 years, but is he someone you'd even want starting at that point? To me he has this year, and next year to play at a high level. After that, his production will only decline, and might not even be acceptable.

[Setsuna]

The Jags are a contender in this! Why won't anyone believe me!!!?

[O.city]

But could he play at a high level in 2014 should be the question. He probably CAN play 3-4 years, but is he someone you'd even want starting at that point? To me he has this year, and next year to play at a high level. After that, his production will only decline, and might not even be acceptable.

I'm not sure.


I think he could play at that high level for 3 years. Obviously he's gonna start breaking down, but from all accounts he keeps himself in great shape. Plus with the fewer practices and physical things in the NFL, who knows.


He's gonna be protected as a qb, thats for sure.

[tredadda]

Thats true.


I don't think Manning will cost 20, coming off that injury.

I think he will. He is Peyton freaking Manning. If he close to the same QB post injury that he was pre injury he will be the biggest FA on the market by far and will command probably close to what he would have gotten in Indy.

[O.city]

If thats the case, it's basically KC or bust. Not many teams at all can pay him that.


That was a stupid contract number.

[TEX]

They're just gonna let Carr walk! This is surprising BS!

Been that way since the SECOND they signed Routt.

[BryanBusby]

The Jags are a contender in this! Why won't anyone believe me!!!?

The Jaguars are a terrible team with a good RB and a kicker (that's threatening to hold out lol).

[tredadda]

There still is incentive because the Vikings are even more desperate to move down, think Ponder is a franchise QB for god knows what reason (so RG3 won't be in their plans) and hold the pick before Cleveland.

More incentive for STL to get a deal done which means they might not be so greedy with their demands knowing Minn will trade out for less.

[Titty Meat]

Gil Brandt on NFL XM radio said the starting point will be 13 mil for Manning.

[O.city]

So if we are to go after him, that's gonna pretty much put an end to Soliai and Manning?

[htismaqe]

Gil Brandt on NFL XM radio said the starting point will be 13 mil for Manning.

That sounds about right.

[O.city]

So we have about 20 mil give or take, with 5 million towards the draft. Thats gonna be cutting it pretty close.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Gil Brandt on NFL XM radio said the starting point will be 13 mil for Manning.

So what teams would currently be able to afford this...?

[tredadda]

So what teams would currently be able to afford this...?

Doesn't really matter as teams could clear up cap space for Peyton.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Doesn't really matter as teams could clear up cap space for Peyton.

Let's try this again...

What teams could CURRENTLY afford this...?

[Brock]

The cap isn't going to be a consideration for teams that want Manning. First thing is, the money isn't the most important thing for him. Secondly, no team has ever not signed a player they wanted because "that darn salary cap", that's just an excuse they use to mollify fans.

[Titty Meat]

So what teams would currently be able to afford this...?

Miami, Denver, and San Fransico.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Miami, Denver, and San Fransico.

That's more like it...

[Titty Meat]

The cap isn't going to be a consideration for teams that want Manning. First thing is, the money isn't the most important thing for him. Secondly, no team has ever not signed a player they wanted because "that darn salary cap", that's just an excuse they use to mollify fans.

Maybe but he's the biggest FA get since Reggie White so there's going to be some money thrown around.

[Mr. Laz]

Gil Brandt on NFL XM radio said the starting point will be 13 mil for Manning.

meh ... i was thinking more along the lines of 8 million with a lot of incentives that take up to 18-ish million. For every game started,game won,any playoff started/won etc.

[BryanBusby]

Miami, Denver, and San Fransico.

The Miami Dolphins actually don't have a lot of space, which is why they are making no effort to retain players like Solali.

More incentive for STL to get a deal done which means they might not be so greedy with their demands knowing Minn will trade out for less.
If the stars aligned for the Chiefs, it'd be more beneficial just to start talking with Minnesota.