*****IF***** Winston signs in KC.

[Direckshun]

You've got three options.

(a.) Do everything you can to turn your first-rounder this year into a first-rounder in 2013.

Next year's QB crop is strong, and the Chiefs could use maximum flexibility to move around if they see a guy they want.

(b.) Draft DeCastro, and create the best OL in the NFL.

Albert
DeCastro
Hudson
Asamoah
Winston

(c.) Assuming you can't trade down, ignore the shitty value at guard and push for a third passrusher like Nick Perry. The Chiefs can't expect Houston and Hali to remain healthy for all future seasons. They need a no-drop-off backup to come in and keep them in playoff or Super Bowl contention.

Drafting Perry allows him to suck for a year behind Hali/Houston while we develop him. You can never have too many passrushers. Check out how stacked this sub-package is:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=1120

[Sofa King]

Hey you fucker. I read this thread title thinking we signed him.

We didn't need another fucking thread you selfish jerk.

Wait til we sign him for this shit.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

[bevischief]

I agree with both the 2 opening posts. Especially the 2nd one LMAO.

[Micjones]

Tannehill or trade back.

[CoMoChief]

Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

Well it is....:rolleyes:

[RealSNR]

Well it is....:rolleyes:That's what they say every year.

It never is.

[ChiefMojo]

Tannehill isn't going to be there at #11. Whomever between Cleveland, Seattle or Miami will select him first.

[Okie_Apparition]

The line will be smoking, crushing butts into the turf, blocking carcinogens & allowing a smooth stream of mendenhall..shit

[Strongside]

God damn it. I thought the title said "Winston signs in KC".

[noa]

What if Winston signs in KC with another team?
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[Direckshun]

Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

[pr_capone]

Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

LMAO

[RUSH]

That's what they say every year.

It never is.

Barkley and Wilson are probably top 5 picks. Both seniors and locks to come out obviously. After that.... Who?

Landry Jones?

Murray and Bray are underclassmen. Can't rely on them coming out.

Not seeing how that's a stronger class.

[ChiefGator]

Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

This... no doubt.

[ChiefsHawk]

total a-hole move....thought he signed. left my computer for 20 minutes and this was posted. never again

[bevischief]

Fixed.

You illiterate bitches.

LMAO

[patteeu]

It depends on whose first round pick it is on option 1. If it's a team you expect to have a top 5 pick, then I'd go for it. If it's a team you expect to go deep into the playoffs, then no way.

I'm going to assume that you don't have a chance to pick up a 2013 first round pick from a team that's going to suck this year so I'll go with option 2 and take DeCastro.

[Sofa King]

Can we just merge this thread with the Winston thread, where it BELONGS.

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs have been riding the "Well get out franchise QB next year" line since Len Dawson retired.

[evolve27]

Never heard of Winston besides the cigs, who is he? Our franchise savior?

[bevischief]

Never heard of Winston besides the cigs, who is he? Our franchise savior?

RT and is only 28 and good.

[the Talking Can]

A and C are correct

B is for baloney

[saphojunkie]

That's what they say every year.

It never is.

There were four QB largely considered first round guys.

Luck, RG3, Landry Jones, and Barkley.

Jones and Barkley are back in the water. It immediately makes next year's QB class stronger. There will be at least two QB worthy of top five picks, and possibly more.

Add to that this reality:

This year's teams that needed a QB:

Colts, Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins.

This year's answers to those needs:

Colts: Luck
Chiefs: nothing
Browns: Flynn/Tannehill
Dolphins: Flynn/Tannehill
Seahawks: nothing
Redskins: RG3

That means that next year, it will be the Chiefs and the Seahawks with the obvious needs at quarterback, a need SO obvious we will take one in the first round.

Two teams with need vs. 3 or more top QB prospects? I'll take that over four teams fighting for 2 guys.

Oh, and if Tennessee gets Manning, that might shift Locker out. And I think a trade back to Washington State makes a LOT of sense...

[The Bad Guy]

I think we should keep Hudson at LG and draft a C in the 3rd or later.

I see no reason to expend a first rounder on a guard.

[saphojunkie]

The Chiefs have been riding the "Well get out franchise QB next year" line since Len Dawson retired.

this is like in the movie, when the hero sees the guy who murdered his parents, and he wants to charge in and kill him.

Then his partner says, "He's surrounded by fifty guards! You'll only be doing him a favor. I know you want revenge, but now isn't the time."

And then the hero swallows his anger and they go back to the van.

[Warrior5]

RT and is only 28 and good.

He needs a haircut.

[the Talking Can]

There were four QB largely considered first round guys.

Luck, RG3, Landry Jones, and Barkley.

Jones and Barkley are back in the water. It immediately makes next year's QB class stronger. There will be at least two QB worthy of top five picks, and possibly more.

Add to that this reality:

This year's teams that needed a QB:

Colts, Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins.

This year's answers to those needs:

Colts: Luck
Chiefs: nothing
Browns: Flynn/Tannehill
Dolphins: Flynn/Tannehill
Seahawks: nothing
Redskins: RG3

That means that next year, it will be the Chiefs and the Seahawks with the obvious needs at quarterback, a need SO obvious we will take one in the first round.

Two teams with need vs. 3 or more top QB prospects? I'll take that over four teams fighting for 2 guys.

Oh, and if Tennessee gets Manning, that might shift Locker out. And I think a trade back to Washington State makes a LOT of sense...

you have no idea how many teams will be hot for a QB...but there will be several as there always is...injuries, retirements, new coaches, new gms...priorities change

[RealSNR]

Barkley and Wilson are probably top 5 picks. Both seniors and locks to come out obviously. After that.... Who?

Landry Jones?

Murray and Bray are underclassmen. Can't rely on them coming out.

Not seeing how that's a stronger class.That's what I just said.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This is great news !!!! Now that we have Winston we're unstoppable!

[Shaid]

I honestly thought the same thing. Give Winston a good contract to get him in and try to turn this years first into a first for next year. At the very least it gives you 2 firsts next year. That gives us a lot of trade up leverage.

If Tannehill falls, grab him. Otherwise, set yourself up to move away from Cassel next year.

[Hydrae]

I honestly thought the same thing. Give Winston a good contract to get him in and try to turn this years first into a first for next year. At the very least it gives you 2 firsts next year. That gives us a lot of trade up leverage.

If Tannehill falls, grab him. Otherwise, set yourself up to move away from Cassel next year.

I will keep beating this drum up until we use that first round pick this year. I want to use it to get an extra 1st next year so we have the ability to move up for our QBOTF next year instead of settling for Tannehill or Foles this year.

[RUSH]

That's what I just said.

I know. I was adding to your point.

[Dayze]

I heard Fescoe say this morning that he hopes we get Winston (which I agree with) so we can use our picks to surround Cassel with more talent.


crappin' you negative.

[Rooster]

Get tired of people using the "next years QB class is stronger" excuse every year.

It's a process. A forty year process but a process none the less.

[Lightrise]

Try to arrange for another first rounder next year...but ONLY if Manning empties Denver's bank account, because if not it'll be the same dang game next year.

[Shaid]

Try to arrange for another first rounder next year...but ONLY if Manning empties Denver's bank account, because if not it'll be the same dang game next year.

Why would we give a fuck about what Denver does with Manning? We need a franchise QB either way.

[Epic Fail 007]

Hey you ****er. I read this thread title thinking we signed him.

We didn't need another ****ing thread you selfish jerk.

Wait til we sign him for this shit.

There are reports we are going to sign him today. Plans are to make him one of the highest paid rts.

[patteeu]

I will keep beating this drum up until we use that first round pick this year. I want to use it to get an extra 1st next year so we have the ability to move up for our QBOTF next year instead of settling for Tannehill or Foles this year.

Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

[Setsuna]

I'll take direckshun's threads over chiefsandosfan any day. Dude is an attention whore.

[Bump]

we really need Winston, it's another perfect scenario. One of the biggest weakest links on our team and suddenly one of the top players at that position becomes available. Lol, I'm not confident Pioli or Clark recognizes that.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

This must be the official Winston signs thread. Awesome

[Shaid]

Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

You don't straight trade. You'd get their 2nd this year and their 1st next year or something similar. And yes, you do need to try and figure out where you think they'd fall next year but that's a crap shoot with most teams.

[Hydrae]

Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

As long as I get a 2nd this year to go with it.

[Sofa King]

There are reports we are going to sign him today. Plans are to make him one of the highest paid rts.

I know. I read that in the 15+ page thread dedicated to Winston.


I find it hilarious that a thread about a fucking RT has over 1,400 replies. LMAO

[whoman69]

Tannehill or trade back.

Not worth it

[Direckshun]

I'll take direckshun's threads over chiefsandosfan any day. Dude is an attention whore.

Bump. :D

[Thig Lyfe]

WTF I THOUGHT THE THREAD TITLE MEANT WE HADN'T SIGNED WINSTON YET

[KcMizzou]

we really need Winston, it's another perfect scenario. One of the biggest weakest links on our team and suddenly one of the top players at that position becomes available. Lol, I'm not confident Pioli or Clark recognizes that.Heh, guess what.

[Ultra Peanut]

WTF I THOUGHT THE THREAD TITLE MEANT WE HADN'T SIGNED WINSTON YET

Direckshun, you prankster.

[Dave Lane]

Would you trade the 11th pick overall this year for the 21st pick overall next year?

And a second this year. That's how that works

[patteeu]

And a second this year. That's how that works

That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

[notorious]

That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

No.

[patteeu]

That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

Let's ignore the player for a second, would anyone trade all the way down to the 24th pick in the 2nd round if Pittsburgh threw in their 2013 1st round pick?

Or the 21st pick in the 2nd round if Tennessee threw in their 2013 1st round pick?

[patteeu]

No.

That's what I'm thinking too.

[unlurking]

Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

[patteeu]

Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

According to the Draft Value Chart: The rest of the 2013 draft plus the 2014 1st.

In 2009, the New York Jets traded up from 17 to 5: They gave up their 2009 1st (17 overall) and 2nd, and three players (defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and defensive back Abram Elam. Ratliff).

In 2011, the Atlanta Falcons traded up from 26 to 6: They gave up their 2011 1st (26 overall), 2nd, and 4th, and their 2012 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

[Saul Good]

That wasn't my hypothetical, but it helps me understand your position. Does anyone think there will be an attractive enough prospect on the board that any other team will give up a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st for the 11th pick? Can someone come up with a potential scenario where that might happen?

If Richardson or Tannehill were to still be on the board, I could see it happening.

Dream scenario would be for the Rams to trade us their second this year and their first rounder from the Skins next year to grab Richardson.

[Saul Good]

According to the Draft Value Chart: The rest of the 2013 draft plus the 2014 1st.

In 2009, the New York Jets traded up from 17 to 5: They gave up their 2009 1st (17 overall) and 2nd, and three players (defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and defensive back Abram Elam. Ratliff).

In 2011, the Atlanta Falcons traded up from 26 to 6: They gave up their 2011 1st (26 overall), 2nd, and 4th, and their 2012 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

Having another first rounder next season totally changes things in that scenario.

[chiefzilla1501]

Might be uncool to be so optimistic, but if we draft around 22+ next year, what will we need to trade in order to jump into the top 3 - 5 to get that franchise QB?

We shouldn't be thinking 3-5. That's going to be damn near impossible.

We should be hoping (and expecting... in my opinion) that this will be a deep QB class where you can jump into the top 10-15.

[patteeu]

Having another first rounder next season totally changes things in that scenario.

Yes, it would. I'd love it if your dream scenario took place. Turning this year's first into a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st seems like an incredibly remote possibility to me though.

[Saul Good]

Yes, it would. I'd love it if your dream scenario took place. Turning this year's first into a 2012 2nd and a 2013 1st seems like an incredibly remote possibility to me though.

The value of a pick drops by about a pick each season. We would be trading our number 11 for 2 second rounders in that respect. I think that is easily doable. It's probably below chart value, actually.

[patteeu]

The value of a pick drops by about a pick each season. We would be trading our number 11 for 2 second rounders in that respect. I think that is easily doable. It's probably below chart value, actually.

The reason I think it's a remote possibility is because I don't think anyone will want to trade up to 11. I doubt that Tannehill or Richardson (especially Richardson) drops that far and even if they do, I doubt that the right teams would want to trade up in that way to get either of them. It's not that I think the value is out of whack.

[007]

The reason I think it's a remote possibility is because I don't think anyone will want to trade up to 11. I doubt that Tannehill or Richardson (especially Richardson) drops that far and even if they do, I doubt that the right teams would want to trade up in that way to get either of them. It's not that I think the value is out of whack.

yeah, but with our luck the team we trade with will go deep into the playoffs this year and we will be stuck with a pick in the late 20s instead of the high pick we were hoping for.