Miss Universe Canada used to be a "MISTER"-disqualified

[scho63]

When I first saw the pictures of her/him I didn't realize it used to be a dude. How freaky!

YIKES!!!
:eek:

Miss Universe Canada Disqualifies Transsexual Contestant: She was Born a Boy

http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/miss-universe-canada-disqualifies-transsexual-contestant-she-born-192000420.html

Miss Universe Canada officials have banned 23-year-old transsexual Jenna Talackova from participating in the pageant finals to be held in Toronto in May, 2012. The Vancouver contestant was one of sixty-five women chosen to compete in the national contest (which is owned by Donald Trump). The Daily Mail Reports that Denis Davila, national director of Miss Universe Canada, asserts that every contestant must be a "naturally born female." Critics of the decision claim that the rules do not specifically address sex change or plastic surgery.

The statuesque blonde Talackova is calling it a human rights issue. She says that she knew she was a girl by age four, started hormone therapy at fourteen, and had sex reassignment surgery at nineteen. She's previously competed in both transsexual and women's beauty pageants. "All I can say is that they disqualified me because I'm not 'natural born,' she told the National Post. "[That] doesn't make sense because since I was conscious, I always felt this way."

After being kicked out of the pageant, Talackova, whose twitter account has since been locked, tweeted, "I'm disqualified, however I'm not giving up. I'm not going to just let them disqualify me over discrimination." Online support for the beauty queen is growing. So far, over twenty-one thousand people have signed a petition demanding she be allowed to compete. It reads, "She is a woman and deserves to be treated as any other woman would be."
Talackova, who says she is not doing interviews until she consults a lawyer, describes herself as, "a woman with a past."

[Thig Lyfe]

I expect the ensuing discussion to be very tasteful and well-informed.

[Setsuna]

This is why Canada must cease to be a country. Can't even do a pageant right. Pathetic.

[KCFalcon59]

Fuck herrrrriiiiimmmmm

[HoneyBadger]

Maybe Matt Cassel used to be a girl.
That would explain why he's such a shitty QB.

[scho63]

This sure does look like a lady....

[Sofa King]

I'd hit it.


/loochy

[Sofa King]

This sure does look like a lady....

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[scho63]

[QUOTE=Sofa King;8495068]

I knew someone was gonna bust this song out!

:D

[Buck]

This sure does look like a lady....

I'd put it in his butt.

[SPchief]

I'd put it in his butt.

And this surprises no one.

[Mr. Laz]

It's not athletics ... i see absolutely no advantage to winning the contest if someone is born a male. In fact, i would think it would be a pretty serious disadvantage.

He/She should of kept the crown


I imagine he lost it because of religious issues.

[Silock]

I'd hit it.

[gblowfish]

Wow...it looks good, but it's probably got a bigger unit than half the CP!

[saphojunkie]

If anything, this is a massive indictment of the pageant system. If you cannot tell the difference between a chick with 8 plastic surgeries and a dude with 9, then that should tell you something about the women who are taking part in these things.

[saphojunkie]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104426/scramble-its-brains-or-vacuum-it-out

[journeyscarab]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EEmz5K7RVVs/TfeJKGFUu0I/AAAAAAAAKEs/SkkyA4UqHVE/s1600/austin-powers-man-baby.jpg

[Setsuna]

I could tell. I'm just more of a man than all of you. If I'm not attracted, it's a man. Plain and simple.

[CanadianChief]

In Canada we love pussy!!!

...and by pussy I mean dick!!!!

... and by dick I mean...shit, wait, what???

[Psyko Tek]

she/he/it is just like the rest of the candidates...
mostly plastic

[Simply Red]

I'm not wild about her. Weird boney arms.

[loochy]

I'd hit it.


/loochy

It's not a man now, right? :shrug:

Wtf does a fake 'giner look like anyway?

[Sofa King]

It's not a man now, right? :shrug:

Wtf does a fake 'giner look like anyway?

I don't know, but Buck says they taste like dick.

[Rain Man]

If she changed genders and is still competitive in a beauty contest, let her compete. Who cares what she used to look like? Would they disqualify another contest because she was chubby as a child?

[Fish]

Awkward boner.....

[Mile High Mania]

If she changed genders and is still competitive in a beauty contest, let her compete. Who cares what she used to look like? Would they disqualify another contest because she was chubby as a child?

My guess is that you have to be a female and technically he is not a female, despite having most if the female parts.

[SDChiefs]

Hawt/omaha

[KCFalcon59]

My guess is that you have to be a female and technically he is not a female, despite having ADDED most of the female parts.

FYP

[Imon Yourside]

My favorite response under the article is....

Charles • Washington, District of Criminals • 6 hours ago

I've felt like a millionaire since I was four, but the Country Club keeps discriminating against me, just because my "actual" salary is mid-30k.

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[Phobia]

This sure does look like a lady....

I noticed the pic is cropped just before the toe. (S)he must have some awkward dangling bits.

[Ultra Peanut]

it sure is hilarious that the horrible thing she managed to overcome to lead a life that seems preferable to death is now costing her a chance to accomplish one of her life's dreams

yep

[Ultra Peanut]

sure is wacky facing the threat of having every facet of a life you had to work twice as hard to even have be damaged or ruined by a part of your past you wished never existed. and knowing that huge swaths of the population would switch from thinking of you as a normal person to a walking punchline the moment they found out about it.

fun + games

[Ultra Peanut]

What I'm saying is, trans people LOVE being dehumanized and mocked and threatened with greatly increased odds of being assaulted or murdered just for existing. It's basically why we transition in the first place.

[loochy]

sure is wacky facing the threat of having every facet of a life you had to work twice as hard to even have be damaged or ruined by a part of your past you wished never existed. and knowing that huge swaths of the population would switch from thinking of you as a normal person to a walking punchline the moment they found out about it.

fun + games

Well, it IS wacky. Dude chopped off his penis and made a fake vagina. Do you really expect something that is that far from the norm to be widely accepted?

For the record, I don't care if she competes or not. She is automatically lesser because she is Canadian and she would never win the real Miss Universe anyway.

[CanadianChief]

Well, it IS wacky. Dude chopped off his penis and made a fake vagina. Do you really expect something that is that far from the norm to be widely accepted?

For the record, I don't care if she competes or not. She is automatically lesser because she is Canadian and she would never win the real Miss Universe anyway.

I believe that U.S. America's...

[loochy]

I believe that U.S. America's...

...don't have maps SUCH AS IRAQIS AND SUCH can't locate on a map!

Duh you idiot!

[Groves]

Men have a general ability to lose weight much more easily than most women.

This alone would probably be considered a "competitive advantage" by the female contestants.

[The Poz]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/6356848.bin?size=620x400s

Tough call. She does look good.

[loochy]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/6356848.bin?size=620x400s

Tough call. She does look good.

I agree.

I wonder if the parts all work correctly. Is it self lubricating? Does stimulation of other areas trigger stimulation down there? The whole thing is so bizzare.

[boogblaster]

its a frickin man .. jfc .....

[Imon Yourside]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/6356848.bin?size=620x400s

Tough call. She does look good.

You meet the girl of your dreams..wine her..dine her...take her home and stick your hand up her skirt and you're holding a tree trunk?..??.? What do you say? For a chick, you have quite a set of balls honey...

Diceman....

:D

[loochy]

You meet the girl of your dreams..wine her..dine her...take her home and stick your hand up her skirt and you're holding a tree trunk?..??.? What do you say? For a chick, you have quite a set of balls honey...

Diceman....

:D

PEOPLE there are no balls. This isn't a crossdresser. There is now some sort of hatchet wound type device down there.

[Imon Yourside]

PEOPLE there are no balls. This isn't a crossdresser. There is now some sort of hatchet wound type device down there.

I know, but i thought this an appropriate place to get some dice in....

[Predarat]

http://troll.me/images/paranoid-parrot/met-a-girl-that-likes-anal-its-a-tranny.jpg

[Predarat]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/its%20a%20trap%20tranny/tyranboyle/funny%20images/trap-tranny-demotivational-poster.jpg

[Frazod]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/6356848.bin?size=620x400s

Tough call. She does look good.

Damn. In that picture she looks like a super hot version of a girl in my office.

Now I'm wondering about the girl in my office..... :spock:

[gblowfish]

Damn. In that picture she looks like a super hot version of a girl in my office.

Now I'm wondering about the girl in my office..... :spock:

Does she take a leak standing up?

[sedated]

she looks good to me :shrug:

[Mr. Laz]

Awkward boner.....ROFLROFL

[Frazod]

Does she take a leak standing up?

Not that I've seen. :D

[Mr. Laz]

Men have a general ability to lose weight much more easily than most women.

This alone would probably be considered a "competitive advantage" by the female contestants.
wow ... that's a stretch, anyone can lose weight if they REALLY don't eat and then exercise.


on the other hand, a male has almost no ability to grow 'curves'

[saphojunkie]

What I'm saying is, trans people LOVE being dehumanized and mocked and threatened with greatly increased odds of being assaulted or murdered just for existing. It's basically why we transition in the first place.

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

[Fish]

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

Who are you to say what should bring others happiness or peace? She could be far happier living her life as the person she is now compared to trying to live her life according to what you feel should make her happy.

[Imon Yourside]

Who are you to say what should bring others happiness or peace? She could be far happier living her life as the person she is now compared to trying to live her life according to what you feel should make her happy.

Happiness is NOT having an extension but rather a foreign object inserted where said extension used to be. Was she on Springer in the 90's?

[loochy]

Guys, I should have been born a black man. I am going to get a negropasty.

[sedated]

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

so, how are things down at westboro baptist church?

[loochy]

so, how are things down at westboro baptist church?

He's a baptist because he thinks that chopping one's self up is crazy?

[Ultra Peanut]

Well, it IS wacky. Dude chopped off his penis and made a fake vagina. Do you really expect something that is that far from the norm to be widely accepted?It's so wacky that I dropped out of school when I was 11 because I was harassed every single day for being too feminine. It's so wacky that I spent the decade between that time and when I finally got desperate enough to transition (without any medical or social support system whatsoever, given that I was stuck in the rural south at the time) in a fog of near-daily suicidal ideation and hopelessness about my chances of ever having people know my real self.

It was a laugh-a-minute existence, definitely. I certainly didn't lose a huge chunk of my formative years hiding from the world because I saw how fucking stupid people became every time something relating to trans people came up. I was scared of anyone finding out because I thought the shame and alienation would genuinely be worse than death.

I got lucky with both the physical side of transition and my family's response to it, and being trans isn't really the constant painful focus of every single waking moment anymore. It's really nice interacting with people in a way that doesn't feel bizarre or dishonest (which is how it felt every single time I interacted with people while pretending to be some aloof guy).

But despite that, I still have to worry about people finding out and ruining my social life or worse. What if that 6'4" 300 pound dude who always hits on me found out? Would he fly into a rage to defend his masculinity after finding out he'd expressed interest in a "dude"?

Do you understand how goddamned painful it is watching uninformed people with zero lived experience with trans issues spouting decades-old tropes every single time a trans person either comes out or gets outed? Do you know what it's like knowing that the absolute worst part of your life will affect every single interaction with most people the moment they learn about it?

I'm not a freak, I'm not a joke, I'm not trying to fool people. I'm trying to get through my life with a face I actually recognize as myself, a body that doesn't make me want to die every waking moment of every single day, and relationships with other people that don't feel hollow and fake. Being trans and accomplishing those things, which most people take for granted, is an incredibly long, difficult, and painful experience. You lose family, friends (my best friend at the time when I came out stopped talking to me), career opportunities, and even years after the fact, if people find out there's a pretty good chance you lose every right they ever thought you had to dignity or basic human decency. All of that suffering and struggling for something better becomes fodder for tired-ass punchlines we've all heard hundreds of times before.

But hey, what are insanely high rates of dying via suicide/murder and years upon years of pain (and hopefully a little bit of triumph) if not a perfect backdrop the same decades-old remarks people make every single time they're reminded of the existence of trans people? Set sail for wackiness!

Men have a general ability to lose weight much more easily than most women.

This alone would probably be considered a "competitive advantage" by the female contestants.
a) Cool thing she's not and never was a "man." Especially since she transitioned at 14 (and was presumably on testosterone blockers well before that, given how together her shit must have been to transition at 14; or maybe she self-medded out of desperation, who knows; worked for me).
b) After a couple of years of hormone replacement therapy your ability to build muscle/lose weight falls well within normal ranges of your target gender (so trans dudes grow facial hair* and get MAD HORNY and gain the capacity to get ripped and whatnot, while trans women lose a significant amount of physical strength -- I was puny before, but now? hahaha oh god it's pathetic -- and experience the joys of female body fat distribution and increased difficulty losing weight). Hormones are pretty fuckin' powerful.
c) Those boobs you guys are ogling (don't worry, I won't tell anyone) have a pretty strong chance of being naturally grown, especially since she started at 14. Though given that she's competing in a beauty pageant, who knows; point is that she almost certainly didn't need surgery; bodies just do that shit when given the right mix of hormones. Bodies are mega adaptable.

*No, seriously. Every single one of them.

[Ultra Peanut]

tl;dr: Maybe try to have a tiny bit of empathy and realize this is a real thing that affects real people who never, ever would have chosen it for themselves? And that the particular brand of humor on display in this thread not only hurts emotionally but further poisons the social landscape and makes it harder for trans people to just live their lives like anyone else? Please?

[Ultra Peanut]

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.


http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full

"hurdurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, there are absolutely zero potential biological factors contributing to transsexuality. I know this because I have extensive experience in the medical and psychiatric fields. ALSO I EAT POOP." - saphojunkie

[loochy]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full

"hurdurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, there are absolutely zero potential biological factors contributing to transsexuality. I know this because I have extensive experience in the medical and psychiatric fields. ALSO I EAT POOP." - saphojunkie

In that case, would you be interested in a POOPTACO?

[loochy]

PEYTON MANNING?

[saphojunkie]

Who are you to say what should bring others happiness or peace? She could be far happier living her life as the person she is now compared to trying to live her life according to what you feel should make her happy.

Could be, sure.

However, the odds are that there is a much much more complex psychological event occuring for such a drastic alteration to have been undergone. The idea that those feelings are based on makeup, boobs, dresses, and a penis is literally the most superficial explanation of a very complicated issue.

If I'm convinced that my brand new house smells exactly like my mother's funeral, and no matter what I do to cover the smell, it's still there....you think the solution is tearing down the house? Or MAYBE the problem is in my own head?

I'm a really fucking liberal person. I don't think GLBT people are any less deserving of rights, respect, and civility than anyone else.

My problem with transgender is that it only addresses the skin. What's happening in these people is mental. It ain't physical. They're seeing the wrong type of doctor.

Face it. This dude is no more a woman now than he ever was. His gender was created in his mind. He'll never grow ovaries. He'll never have fallopian tubes. He cannot, ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have XX chromosomes.

He's a dude, and nothing will ever change that.

So instead of mutilating his body in an effort to look a certain way, MAYBE he should try coming to terms with the stark reality of the situation.

But hey, if he's happy, so be it. I just feel bad for these people so desperate to escape themselves. Isn't it tragic to spend your life battling inadequacy over something A) you had no hand in deciding; and B) you can never truly change?

I'm not pissed I wasn't born with Lebron James' physical tools. I'm 5'10 with a negative-30 inch vertical for a reason. That's my job to figure out why.

[loochy]

I'm not pissed I wasn't born with Lebron James' physical tools. I'm 5'10 with a negative-30 inch vertical for a reason. That's my job to figure out why.

negroplasty my friend, negroplasty

[saphojunkie]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full

"hurdurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, there are absolutely zero potential biological factors contributing to transsexuality. I know this because I have extensive experience in the medical and psychiatric fields. ALSO I EAT POOP." - saphojunkie

"Durrr I fabricate statements and argue against them. I'm the winner!"

I never said there were zero biological factors. That's the first time I have ever said those words together.

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm a really fucking liberal person. I don't think GLBT people are any less deserving of rights, respect, and civility than anyone else.

My problem with transgender is that it only addresses the skin. What's happening in these people is mental. It ain't physical. They're seeing the wrong type of doctor.

Face it. This dude is no more a woman now than he ever was. His gender was created in his mind. He'll never grow ovaries. He'll never have fallopian tubes. He cannot, ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have XX chromosomes.

He's a dude, and nothing will ever change that.

So instead of mutilating his body in an effort to look a certain way, MAYBE he should try coming to terms with the stark reality of the situation.

But hey, if he's happy, so be it. I just feel bad for these people so desperate to escape themselves. Isn't it tragic to spend your life battling inadequacy over something A) you had no hand in deciding; and B) you can never truly change?

The problem is physical. The solution is physical. Changing someone's IDENTITY is a way harder task than than getting their body more in line with how their brain has always expected it to be.

Know how I know this? I'm trans. The issues surrounding transsexuality have dominated my thoughts since I was a kid. I'd venture to guess that I've spent more time thinking about and learning about this than you've spent thinking about anything in your entire life.

I live the life you're speculating about, and you're completely fucking wrong in every imaginable way. She knew who she was from the time she was a toddler (like me; though that's not every single trans person's experience, by any means). She also knew what she wasn't. She took a huge, terrifying step to fix these issues, and your "liberal, glbt-friendly" and not at all self-congratulatory position is insulting as hell, not just because of your forceful ignorance or terrible opinions but because you're so goddamned smug about them.

[saphojunkie]

It's so wacky that I dropped out of school when I was 11 because I was harassed every single day for being too feminine. It's so wacky that I spent the decade between that time and when I finally got desperate enough to transition (without any medical or social support system whatsoever, given that I was stuck in the rural south at the time) in a fog of near-daily suicidal ideation and hopelessness about my chances of ever having people know my real self.

It was a laugh-a-minute existence, definitely. I certainly didn't lose a huge chunk of my formative years hiding from the world because I saw how ****ing stupid people became every time something relating to trans people came up. I was scared of anyone finding out because I thought the shame and alienation would genuinely be worse than death.

I got lucky with both the physical side of transition and my family's response to it, and being trans isn't really the constant painful focus of every single waking moment anymore. It's really nice interacting with people in a way that doesn't feel bizarre or dishonest (which is how it felt every single time I interacted with people while pretending to be some aloof guy).

But despite that, I still have to worry about people finding out and ruining my social life or worse. What if that 6'4" 300 pound dude who always hits on me found out? Would he fly into a rage to defend his masculinity after finding out he'd expressed interest in a "dude"?

Do you understand how goddamned painful it is watching uninformed people with zero lived experience with trans issues spouting decades-old tropes every single time a trans person either comes out or gets outed? Do you know what it's like knowing that the absolute worst part of your life will affect every single interaction with most people the moment they learn about it?

I'm not a freak, I'm not a joke, I'm not trying to fool people. I'm trying to get through my life with a face I actually recognize as myself, a body that doesn't make me want to die every waking moment of every single day, and relationships with other people that don't feel hollow and fake. Being trans and accomplishing those things, which most people take for granted, is an incredibly long, difficult, and painful experience. You lose family, friends (my best friend at the time when I came out stopped talking to me), career opportunities, and even years after the fact, if people find out there's a pretty good chance you lose every right they ever thought you had to dignity or basic human decency. All of that suffering and struggling for something better becomes fodder for tired-ass punchlines we've all heard hundreds of times before.

But hey, what are insanely high rates of dying via suicide/murder and years upon years of pain (and hopefully a little bit of triumph) if not a perfect backdrop the same decades-old remarks people make every single time they're reminded of the existence of trans people? Set sail for wackiness!


a) Cool thing she's not and never was a "man." Especially since she transitioned at 14 (and was presumably on testosterone blockers well before that, given how together her shit must have been to transition at 14; or maybe she self-medded out of desperation, who knows; worked for me).
b) After a couple of years of hormone replacement therapy your ability to build muscle/lose weight falls well within normal ranges of your target gender (so trans dudes grow facial hair* and get MAD HORNY and gain the capacity to get ripped and whatnot, while trans women lose a significant amount of physical strength -- I was puny before, but now? hahaha oh god it's pathetic -- and experience the joys of female body fat distribution and increased difficulty losing weight). Hormones are pretty ****in' powerful.
c) Those boobs you guys are ogling (don't worry, I won't tell anyone) have a pretty strong chance of being naturally grown, especially since she started at 14. Though given that she's competing in a beauty pageant, who knows; point is that she almost certainly didn't need surgery; bodies just do that shit when given the right mix of hormones. Bodies are mega adaptable.

*No, seriously. Every single one of them.

It sounds awful. Really awful.

Please note, however, that the bulk of your story points to the reactions of other people that drove you to this point.

Also, it doesn't sound as if you feel any more honest at this point than you did when you looked like a man and felt like a woman. You still have to hide your true self.

That sucks. All of that work, and you still are living a fearful existence. Would have you have had gender reassignment if you were open and accepted with your sexuality from a young age? would have felt the need to escape if the rural South were a super fucking open and tolerant and accepting place that embraced all of your individuality?

This isn't rhetorical.

I'm asking.

[Frazod]

Seriously, UP, why did you even click on this thread? Do you not know what this board is like after all these years? Perhaps it's your goal to be butthurt and offended, but I'd like to think you have more constructive things to do with your life.

thread tools>ignore thread

Works for all the goddamn beaker basketball threads. I recommend it highly.

[Ultra Peanut]

Like, do you think people fucking WANT to go through all of this? Do you think people wouldn't just go to therapy and "learn to deal with it" if that were something that actually worked? Reparative therapy has been a spectacular failure, as opposed to transition and surgery and all of that fun stuff, which actually has a fantastic success rate when compared to treatments for other psychological and medical issues.

People transition because, by and large? It works. It makes your life better. It's still unbelievably fucking hard to exist in this ignorant society as a trans person, but it's so much fucking better than being cripplingly depressed by your own reflection from the time you were a child.

Seriously, UP, why did you even click on this thread? Do you not know what this board is like after all these years? Perhaps it's your goal to be butthurt and offended, but I'd like to think you have more constructive things to do with your life.

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Works for all the goddamn beaker basketball threads. I recommend it highly.Because maybe -- and this is a crazy notion, I know -- someone will read a paragraph or two of the words I'm desperately throwing out to fight the surge of stupidity, and they'll learn one or two little things about trans people and their lives that they'd never realized before.

That's why I expose myself to shit like "does she pee standing up?" and "DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY" (oh man, like that song from several decades ago!) and "she's a man, baby" (oh hey like that movie!) and "he/she" and "shemale" and "tranny," even though all of that stuff is unbelievably distressing and painful to read.

I guess I'm an optimist.

[saphojunkie]

The problem is physical. The solution is physical. Changing someone's IDENTITY is a way harder task than than getting their body more in line with how their brain has always expected it to be.

Know how I know this? I'm trans. The issues surrounding transsexuality have dominated my thoughts since I was a kid. I guaran-****ing-tee you I've spent more time thinking about and learning about this than you have. I live the life you're speculating about, and you're completely ****ing wrong in every imaginable way.

She knew who she was from the time she was a toddler (like me; though that's not every single trans person's experience, by any means). She also knew what she wasn't. She took a huge, terrifying step to fix these issues, and your "liberal, glbt-friendly" and not at all self-congratulatory position is insulting as hell, not just because of your forceful ignorance or terrible opinions but because you're so goddamned smug about them.

Yeah, that must make it the right decision. It's easier.

Oh, and anyone who disagrees with your position is a raging hate-monger holding "God hates F*gs" signs at funerals. It can't possibly be that someone educated and interested in the topic could ever have any opinion on it different from yours, despite the fact that YOUR opinion dictates that anyone without the resources to cut their bodies into fabrications are just screwed and they can never come to terms with their identities. That seems logical.:rolleyes:

[Rain Man]

Question for everyone. Other than being further along the continuum of change, how is a sex change different than doing something like losing a whole lot of weight or working out and getting very buff?

In all of those cases, it seems to me like a person looks in the mirror and says, "This isn't who I really am". The guy who weighs 500 pounds and goes down to 175 is creating a massive change in identity, but he's probably not viewing it as a change as much as coming into line with who he thinks he is. Maybe with a bodybuilder it's a little more ego-driven, but it's the same thing. And based on what we read (and what UP says), it seems like a person who does gender reassignment is probably not viewing it so much as a change but as coming into alignment with who they are.

[Stewie]

It's so wacky that I dropped out of school when I was 11 because I was harassed every single day for being too feminine. It's so wacky that I spent the decade between that time and when I finally got desperate enough to transition (without any medical or social support system whatsoever, given that I was stuck in the rural south at the time) in a fog of near-daily suicidal ideation and hopelessness about my chances of ever having people know my real self.

It was a laugh-a-minute existence, definitely. I certainly didn't lose a huge chunk of my formative years hiding from the world because I saw how fucking stupid people became every time something relating to trans people came up. I was scared of anyone finding out because I thought the shame and alienation would genuinely be worse than death.

I got lucky with both the physical side of transition and my family's response to it, and being trans isn't really the constant painful focus of every single waking moment anymore. It's really nice interacting with people in a way that doesn't feel bizarre or dishonest (which is how it felt every single time I interacted with people while pretending to be some aloof guy).

But despite that, I still have to worry about people finding out and ruining my social life or worse. What if that 6'4" 300 pound dude who always hits on me found out? Would he fly into a rage to defend his masculinity after finding out he'd expressed interest in a "dude"?

Do you understand how goddamned painful it is watching uninformed people with zero lived experience with trans issues spouting decades-old tropes every single time a trans person either comes out or gets outed? Do you know what it's like knowing that the absolute worst part of your life will affect every single interaction with most people the moment they learn about it?

I'm not a freak, I'm not a joke, I'm not trying to fool people. I'm trying to get through my life with a face I actually recognize as myself, a body that doesn't make me want to die every waking moment of every single day, and relationships with other people that don't feel hollow and fake. Being trans and accomplishing those things, which most people take for granted, is an incredibly long, difficult, and painful experience. You lose family, friends (my best friend at the time when I came out stopped talking to me), career opportunities, and even years after the fact, if people find out there's a pretty good chance you lose every right they ever thought you had to dignity or basic human decency. All of that suffering and struggling for something better becomes fodder for tired-ass punchlines we've all heard hundreds of times before.

But hey, what are insanely high rates of dying via suicide/murder and years upon years of pain (and hopefully a little bit of triumph) if not a perfect backdrop the same decades-old remarks people make every single time they're reminded of the existence of trans people? Set sail for wackiness!


Excellent post UP.

I used to work with a transgendered woman and she still works in our field and I see her occasionally. She went through change in the 80s, so it was much more misunderstood back then, if that's possible.

She had the full support of her family and after some awkwardness at work she was accepted as Jamie (formerly James). She was absolutely up front about the situation and I think that helped people understand what was going on. There were still some people that couldn't get it through their fat head, but that was their problem.

She was in our golf league for years and when her playing partner couldn't play on a given day her nephews couldn't wait to play with Aunt Jamie.

[loochy]

Question for everyone. Other than being further along the continuum of change, how is a sex change different than doing something like losing a whole lot of weight or working out and getting very buff?


Because that's a natural process. I see it more along the lines of breast implants / botox / lipo / nosejobs / etc.

[Frazod]

Because maybe -- and this is a crazy notion, I know -- someone will read a paragraph or two of the words I'm desperately throwing out to fight the surge of stupidity, and they'll learn one or two little things about trans people and their lives that they'd never realized before.

That's why I expose myself to shit like "does she pee standing up?" and "DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY" (oh man, like that song from several decades ago!) and "she's a man, baby" (oh hey like that movie!) and "he/she" and "shemale" and "tranny," even though all of that stuff is unbelievably distressing and painful to read.

I guess I'm an optimist.

Well, good luck with that.

[saphojunkie]

Like, do you think people WANT to ****ing go through all of this? Do you think people wouldn't just go to therapy and "learn to deal with it" if that were something that actually worked? Reparative therapy has been a spectacular failure, as opposed to transition and surgery and all of that fun stuff, which actually has a fantastic success rate when compared to treatments for other psychological and medical issues.

Because maybe -- and this is a ****ing crazy notion, I know -- someone will read a paragraph or two of the words I'm desperately throwing out to fight the surge of stupidity, and they'll learn one or two little things about trans people and their lives that they'd never realized before.

You have absolutely no idea why I've come to my opinions. You have absolutely no idea what my sexual identity is. You have no idea who I am, what I have dealt with, or what bias I have endured, and why.

You just assume that anyone who disagrees with you forms their opinion from ignorance and is stupid and needs to be educated.

Oh, and for the record, the reason this story is funny is that it was a FUCKING PAGEANT QUEEN. It's not like the thread is "ha this random dood chopped off his junk - laugh at him.

[Ultra Peanut]

Yeah, that must make it the right decision. It's easier.
Problem: I hate my body and looking in the mirror makes me want to die.

Solution: Change every single aspect of my personality, how I perceive myself, how I perceive my body, and how I interact with the world around me.

Alternate solution: Do the thing that actually has a track record of being successful and maybe, just maybe, living a life that I want to live.

NO PAIN NO GAIN BROSEPH

[Ultra Peanut]

Also? You're not educated. Not remotely. You're spouting the same ignorant shit people have been spouting about trans people for decades. You're hardly on the bleeding edge of theory.

[saphojunkie]

Problem: I hate my body and looking in the mirror makes me want to die.

Solution: Change every single aspect of my personality, how I perceive myself, how I perceive my body, and how I interact with the world around me.

Alternate solution: Do the thing that actually has a track record of being successful and maybe, just maybe, living a life that I want to live.

NO PAIN NO GAIN BROSEPH

Fine. Good. I'm happy for you. I'm genuinely happy for you, and I hope that you have every joy in life. I hope that when you look in the mirror, you see a reflection that you love and are proud of. I hope that when that 6'4, 300 LB dude (by the way, you should tell him that's a little chunky) finds out that you're biologically a man, that he says, "so ****ing what? I think you're beautiful inside and out." and marries you on the spot. I hope it's a nice ceremony, and not too long, because people hate that.

I hope that anyone else facing your challenges finds a solution that makes them as satisfied, happy, fulfilled, and stable.

MOST OF ALL, I hope that you chill the **** out and realize that other people can think what you did was stupid. They can think that it is bizarre and unhealthy and an incredibly counter-productive way of dealing with very important psychological issues.

I hope that you stop caring what other people think, because it sounds like you've been doing it your whole life.

I think tattoos are stupid. I think they're wildly popular, and wildly ugly, and moronic and make even intelligent people look like troglodytes. You think they care?

No?

Neither should you.

[saphojunkie]

Also? You're not educated. Not remotely. You're spouting the same ignorant shit people have been spouting about trans people for decades. You're hardly on the bleeding edge of theory.

Trans people aren't a collective that all feel the same, think the same, or need the same things.

Quit trying to usurp everyone's experience and project your own onto them.

[Bump]

man, thats fucked up. I wonder how many dudes hit that not knowing. They probably bragged to their friends and shit too

[loochy]

So, now that that's over....

She's pretty hot, but a tad on the thin side, no? Also, she has alienface.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jenna-talackova3.jpg

[big nasty kcnut]

I have no problem with trangendered people. Just tell me you are one. Also rules are rules you have to be a real girl.

[loochy]

I have no problem with trangendered people. Just tell me you are one. Also rules are rules you have to be a real girl.

OMG NUT I CANT BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!

[Setsuna]

LOL those guys are now admitting their homosexuality.

[RockChalk]

:eek:

So UP is transgendered? How on earth am I just now finding out about this?

[Iowanian]

If you used to pack meat, you cannot compete!

[loochy]

:eek:

So UP is transgendered? How on earth am I just now finding out about this?

Dude it's not exactly a well kept secret. I'm kind of n00b-esque and even I knew. Unfortunately, I doubt that peanut looks like the canadian chick from the OP

[loochy]

If you used to pack meat, you cannot compete!

if you've got a dong you wont last long

if you dont have a cooch you'd better scooch

[RockChalk]

Dude it's not exactly a well kept secret. I'm kind of n00b-esque and even I knew. Unfortunately, I doubt that peanut looks like the canadian chick from the OP

I suppose I should pay better attention then.

[loochy]

if you're the one that sticks it in then you will not win

[big nasty kcnut]

well i seen ultra picture she not bad looking.

[Donger]

Yeah okay. UP, I think that it is the deception that is taking people aback, not that this gal used to be a guy.