Brock Osweiller in KC today

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

My boy Brock is in KC today for a private workout.

[Thig Lyfe]

I'd be interested in him if he had a late growth spurt.

[suds79]

I'd be interested in him if he had a late growth spurt.

:LOL:

Like this news. Size, arm strength, athletic. I'll take it.

If his biggest knock is his sidearmish delivery? I'll can live with that given he's 6'8.

[KCUnited]

I've read where he's revamped his throwing motion, more over the top.

[the Talking Can]

he should wear a Cassel mask...maybe he can trick Pioli into drafting him

[58-4ever]

I've read where he's revamped his throwing motion, more over the top.

Yeah, because guys that revamp throwing motions at this level work out so well. :banghead:

[Micjones]

Will he be around in R3?

[suds79]

I've read where he's revamped his throwing motion, more over the top.

Ah I don't buy it. Tim Tebow's revamped throwing motion looked much shorter after he had worked with a QB coach also. Then what do you see in Denver? Same old thing.

Old habits die hard.

[suds79]

Will he be around in R3?

QB starved league. That size? That athleticism? I just don't see it.

We'd better get him in round 2 if we want him.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Does he compare to Big Ben?

[jspchief]

would he be the tallest nfl qb ever?

[philfree]

Does he compare to Big Ben?

I heard him compare himself in Big Ben in an interview and he also said he likes standing in and taking the hit while he completes the pass.

[DaKCMan AP]

I thought he looked good against Mizzou, but that was the only game of his I watched and I heard he wasn't so good in others.

[Micjones]

QB starved league. That size? That athleticism? I just don't see it.

We'd better get him in round 2 if we want him.

I'd take him in Round 2 if DeCastro's our first pick.
We'll also have to hope Chapman's available in R3 for help at NT.

That'd be a damn good opening three rounds though.

[KCUnited]

Yeah, because guys that revamp throwing motions at this level work out so well. :banghead:

Aaron Rodgers.

[CaliforniaChief]

would he be the tallest nfl qb ever?

Could be, I don't know. Maybe Dan McGwire?

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Thats the fear with tall QBs: The Dan McGwire Syndrome. However, here, Brock is a stay-in-the-pocket guy who will take a hit but he can scramble and run. Yes, he's like Big Ben in that regard and from what I can ascertain he doesnt rape casino employees either.

His heart and "fire" are unmatched. Sounds hokey but jesus h christ I want that in a Chiefs QB. he's a good fit for this club.

I'd actually trade down a few spots and pick him in late round 1 and try to gobble up CB Omar Bolden as well in rnd 2.

[Frosty]

This guy is about as raw as they come, a serious boom or bust pick. He would probably be okay for a long term project but it would probably mean a couple more years of Cassel while he develops.

[suds79]

This guy is about as raw as they come, a serious boom or bust pick. He would probably be okay for a long term project but it would probably mean a couple more years of Cassel while he develops.

That's the thing. Cassel is this guy this year and probably the guy next year. Might as well draft a guy with Talent.

Don't worry about somebody NFL ready right now to play because it's not going to happen with Matt in there.

[Chiefshrink]

My boy Brock is in KC today for a private workout.

Poker play by Pioli to get other teams thinking Pioli wants a QB so that when Tannehill in a long shot falls to KC teams will call so that Pioli acquires picks.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Instead of reaching for a project like Osweiller in the second round I'd rather they look at someone like Russell Wilson in the third or fourth round. His stats are mind boggling when you consider he only had one season at Wisconsin and they aren't known for being a pass happy school. His lack of height has been criticized but I think he has a ton of talent and potential to be a quality starter in the NFL.

[Brock]

If you're going to reach, this is what you reach for.

[Mr. Laz]

Chiefs clearly in QB market.

[Quesadilla Joe]

The Donks have been rumored to like Osweiller a lot. If horseface wants him we should probably draft him.

[Thig Lyfe]

I heard him compare himself in Big Ben in an interview and he also said he likes standing in and taking the hit while he completes the pass.

"Is that even allowed???" - Matt Cassel

[Thig Lyfe]

Instead of reaching for a project like Osweiller in the second round I'd rather they look at someone like Russell Wilson in the third or fourth round. His stats are mind boggling when you consider he only had one season at Wisconsin and they aren't known for being a pass happy school. His lack of height has been criticized but I think he has a ton of talent and potential to be a quality starter in the NFL.

Definitely like taking a chance on Wilson. Worst case scenario: wasted mid round pick. Best case scenario: DA NEXT DREW BREES!!!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Poker play by Pioli to get other teams thinking Pioli wants a QB so that when Tannehill in a long shot falls to KC teams will call so that Pioli acquires picks.

You guys have lost your minds with this conspiracy bull shit.

[Dave Lane]

If you're going to reach, this is what you reach for.

With Brock on this one

[58-4ever]

Aaron Rodgers.

His mechanics were tweeked and with him having a slightly more of a wind up which gives him more velocity.

They did not "revamp" his throwing motion.

[KCUnited]

His mechanics were tweeked and with him having a slightly more of a wind up which gives him more velocity.

They did not "revamp" his throwing motion.

I've read where Osweiller's tweeked his throwing motion, more over the top.

[Dave Lane]

Instead of reaching for a project like Osweiller in the second round I'd rather they look at someone like Russell Wilson in the third or fourth round. His stats are mind boggling when you consider he only had one season at Wisconsin and they aren't known for being a pass happy school. His lack of height has been criticized but I think he has a ton of talent and potential to be a quality starter in the NFL.

I would rather go Kellen Moore as an undrafted free agent if were going the midget route. Wilson I think probably has no future in the NFL.

[Canofbier]

I would rather go Kellen Moore as an undrafted free agent if were going the midget route. Wilson I think probably has no future in the NFL.

I would VASTLY prefer Wilson. Both are very short for QBs, but at least Wilson has demonstrated his arm strength and accuracy to all parts of the field. Wilson played out of a pro set, and was the only quarterback to post better stats than Andrew Luck, and was on a less talented team.

This (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272242/russell-wilson) scouting report had practically nothing negative to say about him, other than his height.

[The Franchise]

I could only find three "game tapes" of him.

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[The Franchise]

And here he is with Jon Gruden.

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[Thig Lyfe]

And here he is with Jon Gruden.

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"This year, we did 10 quarterbacks. That's a world record!"

LOL

[Thig Lyfe]

Brock looks like a retarded Robert Pattinson. Not sure if I want him anymore.

[the Talking Can]

seems a bit cheesy, a little over coached on the interview...but his breakdown of the play was impressive

[The Franchise]

The kid is obviously smart and has some talent.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Gotta like feel Pioli would love this kid, seems like he is part of the right 53

[Dayze]

nice.

[InChiefsHeaven]

I'd love it. Good physical player with some develop-able skills. Pick him up late as possible and go Cassel, Stanzi and Osweiler.

[milkman]

I'd love it. Good physical player with some develop-able skills. Pick him up late as possible and go Cassel, Stanzi and Osweiler.

Keep fucking doubting Brady Quinn.




:D

[The Franchise]

I'd love it. Good physical player with some develop-able skills. Pick him up late as possible and go Cassel, Stanzi and Osweiler.

If we draft a QB this year.....Stanzi is more than likely gone.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Keep ****ing doubting Brady Quinn.




:D

ROFL

I actually forgot about him for a minute...heh.

[Epic Fail 007]

That's the thing. Cassel is this guy this year and probably the guy next year. Might as well draft a guy with Talent.

Don't worry about somebody NFL ready right now to play because it's not going to happen with Matt in there.

cassel would have to resign to be here in 2014.

[InChiefsHeaven]

If we draft a QB this year.....Stanzi is more than likely gone.

Yep, this is probably true. Plus, isn't it Pioli's M.O. to draft a QB regardless, just for "competition"? I thought I had heard that when he got hired.

[The Franchise]

If we draft Osweiler it will be Cassel, Quinn and Osweiler. Stanzi will either go to the practice squad....or get cut. The ONLY way that we would keep both Stanzi and Osweiler is if Stanzi completely destroys Quinn/Cassel in TC and preseason.

[Epic Fail 007]

You guys have lost your minds with this conspiracy bull shit.

I agree. Getting stupid.

[milkman]

Yep, this is probably true. Plus, isn't it Pioli's M.O. to draft a QB regardless, just for "competition"? I thought I had heard that when he got hired.

Did he draft s QB in '09 or '10?

I have doubts that he will draft a QB at all.

I think he's going to be content to go into the season with Cassel starting, Quinn as the first guy off the bench, and Stanzi as the developmental guy, and then re-evaulate after the season.

[suds79]

If we draft Osweiler it will be Cassel, Quinn and Osweiler. Stanzi will either go to the practice squad....or get cut. The ONLY way that we would keep both Stanzi and Osweiler is if Stanzi completely destroys Quinn/Cassel in TC and preseason.

Fine with me.

We shouldn't worry about holding onto underachieving Brady Quinn or 5th round draft pick Ricky Stanzi.

[Extra Point]

6:13 of video 1 of the OP says it all for me: Cassel v 2.0.

Pass. In any round.

[Bowser]

Will it be fun watching the Stanzi leg humpers cry in their beers after rookie QB beats him out for the third spot, or just sad?

[RealSNR]

Am I the only person here who hasn't found a single goddamn clip of him completing a 30-yard throw? :spock:

I really don't know what you people see in this guy besides his 20-inch cock.

I'd rather keep Brady Quinn around than draft this loser.

[RealSNR]

Will it be fun watching the Stanzi leg humpers cry in their beers after rookie QB beats him out for the third spot, or just sad?If someone like Osweiler does it by clearly outperforming Stanzi, then more power to him. Do whatever you can to get him on the 53 man roster, including cut Stanzi.

[milkman]

Will it be fun watching the Stanzi leg humpers cry in their beers after rookie QB beats him out for the third spot, or just sad?

At the end of the day, I don't really give a rat's ass about Ricky Stanzi.

But, at the same time, I saw enough from Ricky Stanzi to see he has more upside to be a better career backup than Matt Cassel.

[RealSNR]

Look at that Boise State game banyon posted.

Inaccurate delayed screens thrown behind the RB.

THAT'S who you guys think can be a good QB?

[DaWolf]

Denver seems interested in drafting this guy and letting him develop for 3-4 years.

Pioli, unless he goes all in for a first round QB, I don't see him taking a developmental QB anywhere before rounds 5-7. If he truly believes Stanzi has a future, he may take a flier on a late round guy to come in and push Stanzi and Quinn, and let that battle sort itself out. Then if Stanzi shows enough, the late round guy gets cut, and either goes to the practice squad, or goes elsewhere...

[Dave Lane]

Is there really a Kumho Tire or is someone fucking with ESPN?

[Bowser]

Look at that Boise State game banyon posted.

Inaccurate delayed screens thrown behind the RB.

THAT'S who you guys think can be a good QB?

Hey, he throws incomplete on screens, not game clinching picks for the other team.

I'd call that a net gain.

[Rain Man]

I'm not a fan of this.

[milkman]

Is there really a Kumho Tire or is someone ****ing with ESPN?

Yes, there really is a Kumho Tire.

[xztop12]

were we working out this many guys last year? i cant recall

[Bump]

Chiefs clearly in QB market.

glimmer of hope

[keg in kc]

I'm not a fan of this.Nor am I.

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Here is Brock and I at Pat's Run in 2011....dude is friggin tall as heck.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/nygle.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/nygle)

[RealSNR]

Here is Brock and I at Pat's Run in 2011....dude is friggin tall as heck.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/nygle.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/nygle)Looks like a really nice guy. I hope for your sanity that he doesn't get drafted by the Raiders or Broncos.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Here is Brock and I at Pat's Run in 2011....dude is friggin tall as heck.

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Is he flashing the Shocker sign? lol

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Hell yeah he was. My wife was laughing as she took the picture. :)

[ChiefsCountry]

Denver makes more sense for him IMO.

[Thig Lyfe]

We can't draft Osweiller, cuz this fanbase will NEVER learn to spell his name correctly.

[milkman]

Here is Brock and I at Pat's Run in 2011....dude is friggin tall as heck.

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Is that Kellen Moore standing in front of you?

[milkman]

We can't draft Osweiller, cuz this fanbase will NEVER learn to spell his name correctly.

Well, hell, just eliminate the Chief from ever drafting anyone then.

[RealSNR]

We can't draft Osweiller, cuz this fanbase will NEVER learn to spell his name correctly.If he ends up sucking we'll call him Assweiler.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Is that Kellen Moore standing in front of you?
LMAO

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Nah, that's my son Maverick. He plays QB ironically in his 5-year old Flag League. Tossed 3 TDs last season.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Nah, that's my son Maverick. He plays QB ironically in his 5-year old Flag League. Tossed 3 TDs last season.

Wanna trade him for Cassel? You can have Cassel not only as your QB but also your son. In return we finally get our franchise QB.

[Titty Meat]

No thanks

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

I don't know. Can I get back to you on that? I got a guy on the other line about a set of white walls.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/268/654/majorleauge_brown_2_display_image.jpg?1315280039

Wanna trade him for Cassel? You can have Cassel not only as your QB but also your son. In return we finally get our franchise QB.

[ChiefGator]

That Boise State tape looks pretty bad.

[oldman]

Fine with me.

We shouldn't worry about holding onto underachieving Brady Quinn or 5th round draft pick Ricky Stanzi.
As much as I want to see someone other than Cassel under center this year, I'd sure hate to give up one unknown for another. On another note, Brady Quinn isn't going to lead us to the SB either. If he's available in the 2nd or 3rd, go for it, Scott. It's not like we're going to have a shot at the SB this year, either.

[KCDC]

I expect Pioli to look to add a QB in the late rounds (like 5-7) and whichever of the developmental guys is around, he'll take him. It will put pressure on Quinn and Stanzi, more than it will put pressure on Cassel. Yet, if you pressure them, it might make them work harder to outshine Cassel and then we'll see the change possibily. It won't be the new guy that displaces Cassel, but either Quinn or Stanzi who are feeling the heat.

[Shox]

No way you take him prior to the 3rd round.

[Brock]

No way you take him prior to the 3rd round.

ROFL

[Setsuna]

If we draft a QB this year.....Stanzi is more than likely gone.

Send him to Jax please :D

[Urc Burry]

Osweiler is fucking horrible. He checks down to his RB's more than Cassel

[Thig Lyfe]

Brock Osweiller - QB - Arizona St.

Pros: Too big to fit in wood chipper.

Cons: Has tendency to sit on uncovered pool drains

[Dave Lane]

Gotta like feel Pioli would love this kid, seems like he is part of the right 53

After watching that I'm totally on board with him. Great interview and breakdown. Kids tough, smart and a leader. I'd take him in a heartbeart. Even over Tannehill I think.

[Dave Lane]

Osweiler is ****ing horrible. He checks down to his RB's more than Cassel

Did you watch the Gruden interview to see why?

[KurtCobain]

We throw this guy in with the other crap artists, its just a bigger dump.

[RealSNR]

Did you watch the Gruden interview to see why?I watched the interview and I didn't catch why.

[Dayze]

Brock Osweiller - QB - Arizona St.

Pros: Too big to fit in wood chipper.

Cons: Has tendency to sit on uncovered pool drains

LMAO. GD.

[BryanBusby]

Brock Osweiller - QB - Arizona St.

Pros: Too big to fit in wood chipper.

Cons: Has tendency to sit on uncovered pool drains

lol

[TimeForWasp]

Wow, I'm impressed with this guy. I didn't know anything about him till this. I have a good feeling about him. Very confident in his ability. No deer in the headlights.

[TimeForWasp]

I've got a nickname for him already. Big HossWieler

[beach tribe]

I'm warming up to this pick. Just don't want to see him on the field in 2011. He needs a year on the bench, and I think he could be something special. If Cassel happens to go down or falters, Stanzi should be the guy to come in. If he does well, and they think OsW is the guy, we could get a pretty nice haul for Stanzi.

[Dayze]

I'm warming up to this pick. Just don't want to see him on the field in 2011. He needs a year on the bench, and I think he could be something special. If Cassel happens to go down or falters, Stanzi should be the guy to come in. If he does well, and they think OsW is the guy, we could get a pretty nice haul for Stanzi.

Chances are he won't see the field in 2011.

:D

[beach tribe]

:LOL:Chances are he won't see the field in 2011.

:D

:banghead::doh!:

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

ASU had a dynamic backfield and ran a lot of swing passes for huge gains. It wasn't Brock checking down those plays were designed as "passing-running plays" . They had a lot of success. Watching them play in person I often felt those plays would be lethal with a healthy Jaamal Charles.

[BossChief]

Honestly, I see this as "let's bring in the next highly rated quarterback on our board after Tannehill and see how they stack up to determine which guy we should target, and where.

Dint take this too literally, but look at it like this:

You have your eyes on a Toyota Avalon and are pretty close to making up your mind to buy it but want to know more about the value of the purchase before you make it, so you test drive a Camry first to see if it can do everything you need it to do without having to spend the premium.

You would love to buy the Mercedes or the Lexus, but apart from the status symbol...the Avalon does everything you would want and comes at a lower price and that allows you to spend the saved money on things you need more.

Brock is the Camry...Ryan is the Avalon and RG3 was the Lexus.

[Chiefshrink]

Am I the only person here who hasn't found a single goddamn clip of him completing a 30-yard throw? :spock:

I really don't know what you people see in this guy besides his 20-inch cock.

I'd rather keep Brady Quinn around than draft this loser.

Watch him rip Mizzou's D a new asshole.

[beach tribe]

The guy looks tits.
He has a Rivers-esque throwing motion, but you don't have to come straight over the top when you're 6',7"-8".
I would take this guy over Weeden 1000 times out of 1000.
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[Dayze]

i'd probably be more excited with Osweiler than Tannehill.
much rather pass on Tannehil and go with this guy later.

[O.city]

I do like that he went through progressions in that video and made good throws under pressure.


I still have some questions tho.

[suds79]

The guy looks tits.
He has a Rivers-esque throwing motion, but you don't have to come straight over the top when you're 6',7"-8".
I would take this guy over Weeden 1000 times out of 1000.
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I realize everybody looks good in highlight tapes but there was some good stuff in there. Tough throws. Bigtime arm throws. Mobility. Part of me wonders why he isn't going higher. The throwing motion (which isn't that bad IMO) is a complete non issue. The ball comes out by the side of his helmet. Keep in mind he's 6'7.

Is it purely because he doesn't have a ton of experience? That's perfect for us because there's no way Matt isn't the guy next year anyways. Let him sit a year.

Considering you wouldn't have to give up a 1st for him, I think he's well worth the risk.

It just makes sense as I see it.

- Tannehill? Too raw. Too expensive
- Weeden? Will be well into his 30s before he'd ever get to play for us. He needs to go to a team to play now.
- Cousins? Eh. To me he strikes me as a do everything "okay/solid" kind of guy. Nothing elite.

Can't be content staying pat with Quinn & Stanzi behind Matt.

[InChiefsHeaven]

The guy looks tits.
He has a Rivers-esque throwing motion, but you don't have to come straight over the top when you're 6',7"-8".
I would take this guy over Weeden 1000 times out of 1000.
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Big, strong, accurate, seems to make good decisions and goes through progressions well. just wonder how he does with the long ball.

[Dayze]

yeah. if we're able to trade down and pick up an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd, I think using one of the acquired 3rds for him would be great. Looks like a ton of upside....and the risk is minimal given the round he was drafted.

[suds79]

Big, strong, accurate, seems to make good decisions and goes through progressions well. just wonder how he does with the long ball.

Did you see that ball against Missouri in the video? Had pressure coming at him. His arm is for real.

[the Talking Can]

i have no judgement on the guy - other than an editorial statement that the highlight vid has the worst choice of music ever - but he keeps his head up and eyes down field in all of those clips...that's not really something you can teach at a certain point if Cassel is any example...

[InChiefsHeaven]

Did you see that ball against Missouri in the video? Had pressure coming at him. His arm is for real.

I got bored a few minutes in. What was the minute mark? 10 minutes plus the shitty music just made it too long...

[suds79]

I got bored a few minutes in. What was the minute mark? 10 minutes plus the shitty music just made it too long...

5:50

[beach tribe]

Not to mention Oz's top receiver is a 5'9" white dude, and Weeden's is Blackmon.

[beach tribe]

Check out throw against Oregon at 8:22.
I'm REALLY high on this guy.

[beach tribe]

The music is really bad.

[The Franchise]

yeah. if we're able to trade down and pick up an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd, I think using one of the acquired 3rds for him would be great. Looks like a ton of upside....and the risk is minimal given the round he was drafted.

I don't think he makes it past the 2nd. If we want to take him.....we'd have to take him then.

[InChiefsHeaven]

5:50

Your'e right, right in the breadbasket with heat on him...nice throw indeed.

[Dayze]

I don't think he makes it past the 2nd. If we want to take him.....we'd have to take him then.

I'm starting to agree with that.

hopefully we can trade back a bit, and maybe pick up another 2nd; or another 3rd and use it to move up in the 2nd etc.

I'd much rather take a shot at a QB with this guy instead of Tannehill.

[beach tribe]

I don't think he makes it past the 2nd. If we want to take him.....we'd have to take him then.

I was just about to post that I don't think there's any way he makes it out of the 2nd, and wouldn't be shocked if he was grabbed at the bottom of the first.

[The Franchise]

I would easily take this kid in the 2nd round. I'd try and trade down as far as I could in the 1st though.

[Rausch]

Big, strong, accurate, seems to make good decisions and goes through progressions well. just wonder how he does with the long ball.

I don't know WTF you're seeing but I see Ca$$#ole with a quicker release.

That's about it...

[Dayze]

In front of us in the 2nd, and who would be interested in a QB (IMO) with **

St. Louis
Indy
Minny **
Tampa Bay
Cleveland **
Jacksonville
St. Louis
Carolina
Buffalo **
Miami **
Seattle **


could be interesting to see if we do anything in the 2nd / move up.

[Rausch]

In front of us in the 2nd, and who would be interested in a QB (IMO) with **

St. Louis
Indy
Minny **
Tampa Bay
Cleveland **
Jacksonville
St. Louis
Carolina
Buffalo **
Miami **
Seattle **


could be interesting to see if we do anything in the 2nd / move up.

This might be the most unimpressed I've been with a QB class in years.

I know the RGIII pimps are out there but he's a risk as well.

I'd take DeCastro, trade down for more picks, or trade up for TRII...

[beach tribe]

I don't know WTF you're seeing but I see Ca$$#ole with a quicker release.

That's about it...

So Cassel has a world class arm, and good accuracy over 20 yards? Got it.
Why are we even talking about drafting a QB?

[58-4ever]

So Cassel has a world class arm, and good accuracy over 20 yards? Got it.
Why are we even talking about drafting a QB?

Wow. World class arm? Why isn't he graded higher?

[King_Chief_Fan]

I don't know WTF you're seeing but I see Ca$$#ole with a quicker release.

That's about it...

that makes 2 of us

[Dayze]

This might be the most unimpressed I've been with a QB class in years.

I know the RGIII pimps are out there but he's a risk as well.

I'd take DeCastro, trade down for more picks, or trade up for TRII...

yeah, it's definitely thin.
I just think, more than ever, teams can take some gambles on players they previously would not have. I also think teams are slowly starting to come around to the fact if a team doesn't have a good QB, they're not winning shit.
As a result, I think teams are more willing to draft a QB more often until one hits.

...well, except the Chiefs.

[Coogs]

Have not read this whole thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned. If so, I really don't care.

I watched part of his QB Camp with Gruden. One thing Gruden told him that he was really going to have to work hard on is his eyes. Reason being, he is so tall that DB's could see his eyes easier than shorter QB's. Said he was going to have to become the best "eye guy" in the NFL.

[TEX]

My boy Brock is in KC today for a private workout.

Id easily draft him IF still available in round 2.

[Dayze]

I thought that interview was pretty good. I wish they'd do more with them on the chalkboard though. I find that stuff extremely interesting.

[suds79]

I don't know WTF you're seeing but I see Ca$$#ole with a quicker release.

That's about it...

I guess we'll agree to disagree. This is all too easy to compare if our standard is Matt.

Quick Release? Brock.
Arm Strength? Brock.
(Matt couldn't have made that Missouri throw. He has that painful 2-3 steps to wind up because he doesn't have the arm strength)
Accuracy? Brock.
Atheltism? Still say Brock. But Matt isn't horrible.
Reads, Decision making? Not hard to top Matt.

[beach tribe]

Wow. World class arm? Why isn't he graded higher?
Pro n Cons
http://www.kffl.com/a.php/130131/160

Strengths

Size (6-foot-6 7/8, 242 pounds)
Big-time arm strength - tremendous zip on intermediate and underneath throws
Productive in lone year as a starter
Mobile for his size - considered playing basketball for Gonzaga
Quality footwork
Quick release
Known for his work ethic and leadership skills
Immeasurable upside
Has shown the ability to throw on the run
Weaknesses

Maybe too tall?

Limited experience as a starter - unrefined and should have returned for his senior year
Tends to throw off his back foot when facing pressure
Coming from a spread offense that primarily relied on taking snaps from shotgun
Forces too many passes and struggles to give his receivers a chance to get to the ball
Three-quarters release - needs to take better advantage of his height
Inexperienced with pre-snap reeds


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/a.php/130131/160#ixzz1rqEl5DDV

[Coogs]

I thought that interview was pretty good. I wish they'd do more with them on the chalkboard though. I find that stuff extremely interesting.

Yeah, me too! Can't wait to see Tannehills.

[Dayze]

Pro n Cons
http://www.kffl.com/a.php/130131/160

Strengths

Size (6-foot-6 7/8, 242 pounds)
Big-time arm strength - tremendous zip on intermediate and underneath throws
Productive in lone year as a starter
Mobile for his size - considered playing basketball for Gonzaga
Quality footwork
Quick release
Known for his work ethic and leadership skills
Immeasurable upside
Has shown the ability to throw on the run
Weaknesses

Maybe too tall?

Limited experience as a starter - unrefined and should have returned for his senior year
Tends to throw off his back foot when facing pressure
Coming from a spread offense that primarily relied on taking snaps from shotgunForces too many passes and struggles to give his receivers a chance to get to the ball
Three-quarters release - needs to take better advantage of his height
Inexperienced with pre-snap reeds


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/a.php/130131/160#ixzz1rqEl5DDV

this is something I haven't thought of yet....how difficult is it for a 6' 6" guy to take snaps from under center?

[InChiefsHeaven]

this is something I haven't thought of yet....how difficult is it for a 6' 6" guy to take snaps from under center?

6'7"...and yeah, that would have to be a concern. Can't make a living out of the shotgun in the NFL.

[beach tribe]

this is something I haven't thought of yet....how difficult is it for a 6' 6" guy to take snaps from under center?

Ruthlessraper doesn't seem to have a problem.

[O.city]

I remember watching the MU game thinking, who the hell is this guy. I liked him after that game, but didn't watch much of him from there out.

[Saul Good]

6'7"...and yeah, that would have to be a concern. Can't make a living out of the shotgun in the NFL.

Tom Brady disagrees.

[suds79]

Weaknesses

Maybe too tall?

Limited experience as a starter - unrefined and should have returned for his senior year
Tends to throw off his back foot when facing pressure
Coming from a spread offense that primarily relied on taking snaps from shotgun
Forces too many passes and struggles to give his receivers a chance to get to the ball
Three-quarters release - needs to take better advantage of his height
Inexperienced with pre-snap reeds

What's interesting is that you can dismiss a few of those weaknesses right away as I see it.

Maybe too tall? - Nope. He's technically 6'6. Pratically 6'7. I don't think 1 inch from several QBs makes that big of a difference. Scratch that.

Limited experience as a starter - We know he's raw. That's why he'll sit a year. We all agree he's a developmental guy. Non issue. Scratch that.

Coming from a spread offense that primarily relied on taking snaps from shotgun - Welcome to today's college QB. They all have that issue.

Three-quarters release - Non issue IMO. Does he get balls tipped? No? Okay then.

Inexperienced with pre-snap reeds - See reply to limited exp as starter.

[beach tribe]

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[Frosty]

What's interesting is that you can dismiss a few of those weaknesses right away as I see it.

Maybe too tall? - Nope. He's technically 6'6. Pratically 6'7. I don't think 1 inch from several QBs makes that big of a difference. Scratch that.

Limited experience as a starter - We know he's raw. That's why he'll sit a year. We all agree he's a developmental guy. Non issue. Scratch that.

Coming from a spread offense that primarily relied on taking snaps from shotgun - Welcome to today's college QB. They all have that issue.

Three-quarters release - Non issue IMO. Does he get balls tipped? No? Okay then.

Inexperienced with pre-snap reeds - See reply to limited exp as starter.

Yeah, it seemed like most of the negatives were coachable issues.

[The Franchise]

So according to a bunch of people......outside of Luck and RGIII.....every QB is basically Matt Cassel.

:rolleyes:

[beach tribe]

13:20-13:35

[The Franchise]

All of that shit was posted on the 1st page.

I posted 3 game tapes as well.

[Frosty]

So according to a bunch of people......outside of Luck and RGIII.....every QB is basically Matt Cassel.

:rolleyes:

Or Stanzi.

[Saul Good]

So according to a bunch of people......outside of Luck and RGIII.....every QB is basically Matt Cassel.

:rolleyes:

Tannehill might be a stud, or he might be Cassel. It really depends on where he gets picked. If he goes top 10, he's a stud. If he's there at 11, he's Cassel.

[Skyy God]

In front of us in the 2nd, and who would be interested in a QB (IMO) with **

St. Louis
Indy
Minny **
Tampa Bay
Cleveland **
Jacksonville
St. Louis
Carolina
Buffalo **
Miami **
Seattle **

could be interesting to see if we do anything in the 2nd / move up.

Minnesota is drafting help for Ponder (prolly OL), not a QB for competition.

Same for Seattle. After spending a pick for Whitehurst last year and signing Flynn to a $27M contract, I don't see it.

[The Franchise]

In front of us in the 2nd, and who would be interested in a QB (IMO) with **


Cleveland **
Jacksonville
Buffalo **
Miami **



could be interesting to see if we do anything in the 2nd / move up.

Those are your likely teams for drafting a QB before us in round 2. But any of those teams could trade down with a team like the Eagles who may want to move up for a QB.

[Dayze]

Minnesota is drafting help for Ponder (prolly OL), not a QB for competition.

Same for Seattle. After spending a pick for Whitehurst last year and signing Flynn to a $27M contract, I don't see it.

good point. I had forgot about that.

[Dayze]

Those are your likely teams for drafting a QB before us in round 2. But any of those teams could trade down with a team like the Eagles who may want to move up for a QB.

that too

[Frosty]

Minnesota is drafting help for Ponder (prolly OL), not a QB for competition.

Same for Seattle. After spending a pick for Whitehurst last year and signing Flynn to a $27M contract, I don't see it.

Whitehurst is gone already. However, Carroll seems to like Jackson, so they probably wouldn't draft a QB until late.

[Saul Good]

Those are your likely teams for drafting a QB before us in round 2. But any of those teams could trade down with a team like the Eagles who may want to move up for a QB.

Jacksonville isn't drafting a QB, and Cleveland may well take Tannehill.

[Titty Meat]

Calling this guy Matt Cassel is an insult to Matt Cassel.

[Dayze]

Calling this guy Matt Cassel is an insult to Matt Cassel.

:spock: Wut?

[beach tribe]

All of that shit was posted on the 1st page.

I posted 3 game tapes as well.

Whoops. I just started in sorry.

[The Franchise]

Jacksonville isn't drafting a QB, and Cleveland may well take Tannehill.

Oops....I forgot to take Jacksonville off of the list. And it all depends on what Cleveland does in the 1st. If they go RB/WR with their 2 1st round picks....they very well could take a QB in the 2nd round.

[Titty Meat]

:spock: Wut?

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On a side note: George Ioka sp? Really stands out.

[The Franchise]

George Iloka.

[The Franchise]

And I'm hoping that we take Iloka in the 2nd-3rd round range. Boise State played him at CB last year for some snaps. The dude would be awesome at FS.

[Titty Meat]

And I'm hoping that we take Iloka in the 2nd-3rd round range. Boise State played him at CB last year for some snaps. The dude would be awesome at FS.

I like him too. I like him more than Barron.

[suds79]

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On a side note: George Ioka sp? Really stands out.

Is that the same game where unranked ASU took on the one loss #7 team in the country vastly superior Boise State? Just want to make sure I have that right. ;)

Given the talent difference, had he single handedly torn them up, he'd probably in be getting drafted a lot higher. We're talking about a 2nd rounder here folks.

Yes it was a bad game. The worse part of that IMO was the INT at the 6:17 mark. But he discussed that play with Grueden. They had the wrong personnel an he threw a back shoulder throw while the WR thought fade. He took responsibility for that.

Despite that being a bad game for him, feel like I should mention he went 30/47, 395 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int.

[Frosty]

And I'm hoping that we take Iloka in the 2nd-3rd round range. Boise State played him at CB last year for some snaps. The dude would be awesome at FS.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a bunch of 2nds? Ta'amu, Iloka, Cousins/Osweiller, etc.

[Dayze]

Despite that being a bad game for him, feel like I should mention he went 30/47, 395 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int.

Cassel has had two 300 yard games as a Chief, I believe.

come at me Bro...

[Titty Meat]

Is that the same game where unranked ASU took on the one loss #7 team in the country vastly superior Boise State? Just want to make sure I have that right. ;)

Given the talent difference, had he single handedly torn them up, he'd probably in be getting drafted a lot higher. We're talking about a 2nd rounder here folks.

Yes it was a bad game. The worse part of that IMO was the INT at the 6:17 mark. But he discussed that play with Grueden. They had the wrong personnel an he threw a back shoulder throw while the WR thought fade. He took responsibility for that.

Despite that being a bad game for him, feel like I should mention he went 30/47, 395 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int.

The talent doesn't matter dude is inaccurate on a lot of those throws and he wasn't even pressured.

[suds79]

The talent doesn't matter dude is inaccurate on a lot of those throws and he wasn't even pressured.

Career numbers and scouting reports don't say or show he's inaccurate. Are you going just on that one game?

Secondly, if not him, who do you like? What's the plan at QB?

[Dayze]

Career numbers and scouting reports don't say or show he's inaccurate. Are you going just on that one game?

Secondly, if not him, who do you like? What's the plan at QB?

http://thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/medium_matt-cassel-chiefs.jpg

[buddha]

Round two sounds about right. He's a big, strong stud. He has some speed when he has to run as well. He's a much better prospect than most give him credit for right now.

[Titty Meat]

Career numbers and scouting reports don't say or show he's inaccurate. Are you going just on that one game?

Secondly, if not him, who do you like? What's the plan at QB?

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/14/2797683/brock-osweiler-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report

"Accuracy: Osweiler has the arm strength to accurately place the ball in a tight window when he’s hitting his passes. The trouble is, Osweiler often throws off balance from his back foot losing accuracy. Accuracy was inconsistent throughout his junior season. Threw a lot of slant and swing passes showing good ball placement and touch. When on the move, Osweiler would often throw low."


http://nfldraftgeek.com/brockosweiler.html

"Accuracy is inconsistent. Will miss some easy throws"


I like Tannehill. Sit him for 2 years he'll be a good player.

[The Franchise]

What if Tannehill isn't available?

[Titty Meat]

Depends. Ideally I'd like to trade the 11th pick get a first rounder next year so we can trade everything for an elite QB prospect. If not that go pass rusher or move down and get Decastro.

Maybe gamble on a guy like Cousins in the 3rd round though I don't think he'll be a starter. I don't think Osweiller will be there in the 3rd round and I wouldn't spend a 1st or 2nd on the guy.

[beach tribe]

Is that the same game where unranked ASU took on the one loss #7 team in the country vastly superior Boise State? Just want to make sure I have that right. ;)

Given the talent difference, had he single handedly torn them up, he'd probably in be getting drafted a lot higher. We're talking about a 2nd rounder here folks.

Yes it was a bad game. The worse part of that IMO was the INT at the 6:17 mark. But he discussed that play with Grueden. They had the wrong personnel an he threw a back shoulder throw while the WR thought fade. He took responsibility for that.

Despite that being a bad game for him, feel like I should mention he went 30/47, 395 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int.

Some dumbass said that one throw = Matt Cassel v.2.0.

[Brock]

Guys like Ponder and Gabbert and Freeman went first round. Some of you need to reevaluate how teams are looking at QBs these days.

[suds79]

Depends. Ideally I'd like to trade the 11th pick get a first rounder next year so we can trade everything for an elite QB prospect. If not that go pass rusher or move down and get Decastro.

Maybe gamble on a guy like Cousins in the 3rd round though I don't think he'll be a starter. I don't think Osweiller will be there in the 3rd round and I wouldn't spend a 1st or 2nd on the guy.

My whole thing is that if you're not going to spend a 1st on a QB (like you should), then if you're rolling the dice on mid round guys, at least do it with someone who has the physical tools to be great. I just don't see anything elite from Cousins that would excite me.

[beach tribe]

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/14/2797683/brock-osweiler-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report

"Accuracy: Osweiler has the arm strength to accurately place the ball in a tight window when he’s hitting his passes. The trouble is, Osweiler often throws off balance from his back foot losing accuracy. Accuracy was inconsistent throughout his junior season. Threw a lot of slant and swing passes showing good ball placement and touch. When on the move, Osweiler would often throw low."


http://nfldraftgeek.com/brockosweiler.html

"Accuracy is inconsistent. Will miss some easy throws"


I like Tannehill. Sit him for 2 years he'll be a good player.

Bleacher report says he throws off of his front foot. lol.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1131263-arizona-state-qb-brock-oweiler-the-next-big-thing-or-just-big

Footwork & Accuracy

I chose to tie in footwork and accuracy for this report because they are intertwined and it is especially noticeable in Osweiler's performances.

Osweiler has issues in his footwork that can be labeled chronic. He locks his front leg when throwing the ball which causes the throw to be inaccurate because of imbalance. All of his weight is shifted to his front leg and consequently, makes the ball dip downward when in flight.

Furthermore, he lacks consistent hip rotation on his throws. This is an issue that young quarterbacks tend to have, but it's a bigger issue than usual with Osweiler because it leads to inaccurate passes.


WHICH IS IT??

I will never rely on what ANY of these so called "experts" have to say.
I will listen to some more than others, but i like to draw my own conclusions, not form one from a paragraph written by some douche who hasn't seen any more of the guy than I have.

[ChiefGator]

One point in Osweiller's favor, I guess, is the quality of this coaching. He didn't go to Stanford or get coached by Tedford or anything. He went to ASU, which is not known for being a great QB coached team. So, maybe with some better QB coaching, he could erradicate some of the errors. It's a gamble though.. and it seems like a pretty big one to me.

[suds79]

It's a gamble though.. and it seems like a pretty big one to me.

Really? A 2nd rounder is a pretty big gamble?

[DJ's left nut]

Guys like Ponder and Gabbert and Freeman went first round. Some of you need to reevaluate how teams are looking at QBs these days.

Look at the draft, though.

QBs have been going very high for 3 years now - which means a lot of teams have very high picks invested in very young QBs and may not be inclined to grab another one.

At some point the market is going to begin to saturate. There are probably about 5 teams looking to make a strong move at the QB position this season. The Dolphins and Browns are the most likely to make that move just ahead of us.

It cuts both ways. Sure, teams are drafting QBs higher than they used to - but more and more teams now have high picks invested in QBs they're not going to be terribly eager to just move on from just yet as well.

Someone's going to go all 'Stanzi' this season and drop another couple of rounds from where he was expected. It's looking like that guy may be Foles and that Brock may be this year's Ponder. But in the end we just have no damn clue what a lot of these teams are going to do.

[ChiefGator]

Really? A 2nd rounder is a pretty big gamble?

Well, I would prefer the third, but it is not just the draft pick. It's a gamble because you can only have a fairly limited number of QBs on your roster. So, now we keep Cassel and we need an established back-up in Quinn, and we cut Stanzi untried. And we wait 2-3 more years before we can really expect any return and determine what we have.

So, yeah... a big gamble.

[suds79]

Well, I would prefer the third, but it is not just the draft pick. It's a gamble because you can only have a fairly limited number of QBs on your roster. So, now we keep Cassel and we need an established back-up in Quinn, and we cut Stanzi untried. And we wait 2-3 more years before we can really expect any return and determine what we have.

So, yeah... a big gamble.

Couple things. 3rd isn't going to happen. You want him? Better do it in round 2.

Honestly I couldn't care less about what happens with Quinn or Stanzi. Just like most teams, if your starter gets hurt, you're screwed anyways. Shoot I'll contend we're screwed with Cassel.

Quinn has underachieved his entire career. Lets not pretend he's some valued commodity. And Ricky Stanzi is a 5th rounder QB who up until this point couldn't beat out Tyler Palko.

So I don't see investing a 2nd into the most important position in all of sports as much of a risk. Particularly when all the teams winning SBs show you should be even riskier then that by doing it in the 1st.

[durtyrute]

Look at the draft, though.

QBs have been going very high for 3 years now - which means a lot of teams have very high picks invested in very young QBs and may not be inclined to grab another one.

At some point the market is going to begin to saturate. There are probably about 5 teams looking to make a strong move at the QB position this season. The Dolphins and Browns are the most likely to make that move just ahead of us.

It cuts both ways. Sure, teams are drafting QBs higher than they used to - but more and more teams now have high picks invested in QBs they're not going to be terribly eager to just move on from just yet as well.

Someone's going to go all 'Stanzi' this season and drop another couple of rounds from where he was expected. It's looking like that guy may be Foles and that Brock may be this year's Ponder. But in the end we just have no damn clue what a lot of these teams are going to do.

Right on, and we also have no damn clue what the QB's will do once they are in the league.

Stanzi for President!!!!!

[Frosty]

One point in Osweiller's favor, I guess, is the quality of this coaching. He didn't go to Stanford or get coached by Tedford or anything. He went to ASU, which is not known for being a great QB coached team. So, maybe with some better QB coaching, he could erradicate some of the errors. It's a gamble though.. and it seems like a pretty big one to me.

Osweiller had the same head coach as Derek Anderson, another tall, strong-armed QB.


:hmmm:

[ChiefGator]

Couple things. 3rd isn't going to happen. You want him? Better do it in round 2.

Honestly I couldn't care less about what happens with Quinn or Stanzi. Just like most teams, if your starter gets hurt, you're screwed anyways. Shoot I'll contend we're screwed with Cassel.

Quinn has underachieved his entire career. Lets not pretend he's some valued commodity. And Ricky Stanzi is a 5th rounder QB who up until this point couldn't beat out Tyler Palko.

So I don't see investing a 2nd into the most important position in all of sports as much of a risk. Particularly when all the teams winning SBs show you should be even riskier then that by doing it in the 1st.

Yeah, I know it would be round 2, and I'm not in love with Stanzi either, although I think you should give him some sort of shot so we know what we have. It's more the issue that we will be forced to have Cassell as our starting quarterback (barring some other miracle) for several years as Brock learned the game. We are not in a position to be that patient with our future QB. I don't think the QB you pick has to play the first year, but he damn well better be starting the second. Brock is too much of a project for a team with too big of a problem at QB.

[ChiefGator]

Osweiller had the same head coach as Derek Anderson, another tall, strong-armed QB.


:hmmm:

Derek "I had one good year" Anderson? It is interesting that the one good year was his second season though.

[suds79]

Yeah, I know it would be round 2, and I'm not in love with Stanzi either, although I think you should give him some sort of shot so we know what we have. It's more the issue that we will be forced to have Cassell as our starting quarterback (barring some other miracle) for several years as Brock learned the game. We are not in a position to be that patient with our future QB. I don't think the QB you pick has to play the first year, but he damn well better be starting the second. Brock is too much of a project for a team with too big of a problem at QB.

I guess that's where we differ.

I think Brock could start if he had a year to sit. The year would do him some good and there's never been a easier time to play QB in the NFL so I think he would be fine.

[ChiefGator]

I guess that's where we differ.

I think Brock could start if he had a year to sit. The year would do him some good and there's never been a easier time to play QB in the NFL so I think he would be fine.

Yeah, I'ld be happy with using a second rounder on him this year if I felt that way as well.

[Frosty]

Derek "I had one good year" Anderson? It is interesting that the one good year was his second season though.

Yeah. Dennis Erickson was the head coach at Oregon State when DA was QB.

I was just joking about the connection, other than physically being similar. DA's biggest problem has always been that he can't make a play when he's pressured. He'll start looking at the rush and get jittery. That's when he will start throwing the stupid INTs.

I don't know enough about Osweiller to know how he handles pressure.

[ChiefGator]

I don't know enough about Osweiller to know how he handles pressure.

Rewatching the little bit of game film on him. Take a look at the USC game on page three of this thread. He does seem to handle pressure quite well in that game. They were clearly focusing on the swing pass and attacking USC's perimeter, but there are some nice passes in there as well.

[Chief Faithful]

Osweiller appears to be a guy with first round ability, but the ASU offense did not let him showcase it. Plus, he only had a single season as the starter. To me those are the type qualities desired in a second round selection; taking a chance on a guy with first round ability with less than first round production hoping they thrive in the NFL.

[lostcause]

Just ran through Gruden's QB camps on youtube, would much rather have Weeden than Osweiller.

[Chiefshrink]

Yeah, I'ld be happy with using a second rounder on him this year if I felt that way as well.

Is Stanzi more established than Osweiler at a rnd 5 pick than Osweiler in the 2nd rnd??

No way I use a 2nd on Osweiler.

[lostcause]

Is Stanzi more established than Osweiler at a rnd 5 pick than Osweiler in the 2nd rnd??

No way I use a 2nd on Osweiler.

I would be very unhappy to burn a 2-4 on Brock.

[suds79]

Is Stanzi more established than Osweiler at a rnd 5 pick than Osweiler in the 2nd rnd??

No way I use a 2nd on Osweiler.

I would venture the guess the talent difference is fairly glaring considering Brock will be a 2nd rounder at worse vs Stanzi who was a 5th.

Stanzi has just one year more than Brock with no real gametime experience. Plus we have new system coming in. I don't think he should be much competition.

[RealSNR]

I would venture the guess the talent difference is fairly glaring considering Brock will be a 2nd rounder at worse vs Stanzi who was a 5th.

Stanzi has just one year more than Brock with no real gametime experience. Plus we have new system coming in. I don't think he should be much competition.Look at the QBs taken last year before Stanzi:

Newton
Gabbert (basically he's Weeden without the age)
Locker
Ponder
Dalton
Kaepernick
Mallett

Honestly I can see why they all went before him. Even a guy like Kaepernick who was reached for pretty hardcore can make a case about athleticism and leadership that tends to trump Stanzi's all-around solid but unspectacular and unsexy college resume.

The QBs in THIS draft I would take before Stanzi?

Luck
RGIII
Tannehill

I mean, a guy like Foles would be interesting. Same with Osweiler. If the Chiefs took those guys before Stanzi I wouldn't have my period or anything. But we're not talking about clear-cut tiers like we were last year in 2011. They're all kind of in the same group.

It's an exceptionally weak year. Osweiler is a 2nd rounder because teams need to draft QBs this year, and they're looking at stuff like, "Well, the guy likes to talk about leadership and is 6'8" soo.... second round I guess? Looks that way." Why? Because there is nothing else to look at.

If any of the guys after Tannehill in this class were being drafted in 2011 I think they'd all be 5th round and later. At least. That's how weak this class is.

[Extra Point]

Look at the QBs taken last year before Stanzi:

Newton
Gabbert (basically he's Weeden without the age)
Locker
Ponder
Dalton
Kaepernick
Mallett

Honestly I can see why they all went before him. Even a guy like Kaepernick who was reached for pretty hardcore can make a case about athleticism and leadership that tends to trump Stanzi's all-around solid but unspectacular and unsexy college resume.

The QBs in THIS draft I would take before Stanzi?

Luck
RGIII
Tannehill

I mean, a guy like Foles would be interesting. Same with Osweiler. If the Chiefs took those guys before Stanzi I wouldn't have my period or anything. But we're not talking about clear-cut tiers like we were last year in 2011. They're all kind of in the same group.

It's an exceptionally weak year. Osweiler is a 2nd rounder because teams need to draft QBs this year, and they're looking at stuff like, "Well, the guy likes to talk about leadership and is 6'8" soo.... second round I guess? Looks that way." Why? Because there is nothing else to look at.

If any of the guys after Tannehill in this class were being drafted in 2011 I think they'd all be 5th round and later. At least. That's how weak this class is.

We need a "High Five" smily. I'll go with this instead: :rockon:

[DBOSHO]

Why does everyone want a 29 year old rookie?