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Okie_Apparition
04-13-2012, 11:38 AM
Thursday April 12, 2012 - 8:57 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18497098/team-draft-needs-kansas-city-chiefs

By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist

The Kansas City Chiefs are coming off their fourth losing season in five years, and that's not good. But this is: They finished only one game out of first in the AFC West, and they did it without their star running back and star safety for most of the season, without their starting quarterback for most of the second half and with twice as many turnovers (28) as the year before.

No, the Chiefs aren't that far away. In fact, they won the AFC West only two years ago and were in the middle of a division race last season until quarterback Matt Cassel bowed out.

There is talent on this roster, and the needs aren't widespread. But Cassel must stay in the lineup and return to his error-free play of 2010, while the Chiefs must do a better job defending the run and taking care of the ball.

Or we're looking at another losing season.

QB: Cassel is back from a season-ending hand injury, and he returns as the unquestioned starter. Still, there are people who wonder how deeply the Chiefs are committed to him. They were open about their willingness to take a look at Peyton Manning if and when he became a free agent -- an indication, some believe, that the Chiefs aren't sold on Cassel. C'mon, get real, people: It's Peyton Manning. A team like Kansas City would be foolish not to inquire. The Chiefs are 18-21 with Cassel at quarterback and won a division title the last time he was healthy. The key here will be how he meshes with new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, who was on the New England staff when Cassel sat behind Tom Brady. "Matt's the guy," guard Ryan Lilja told the Kansas City Star. "He's going to take us places." Brady Quinn, who played for Romeo Crennel in Cleveland, is the backup, which means there's always the chance the Chiefs reach for a quarterback -- although the chances of it happening early in the draft are slim.

RB: Jamaal Charles is another casualty who returns after a torn ACL ended his 2011 season. Charles is an exciting, dynamic back who was the star of the league's top-ranked rushing offense in 2010. Without him, the Chiefs dropped to 15th one year later. Thomas Jones turns 34 this summer and is just about out of gas, with his average of 3.1 yards per carry the evidence, while Dexter McCluster has been little more than a third-down back, receiver and return specialist. The Chiefs need to make more and better use of him. Acquiring Peyton Hillis was smart. He runs hard, is tough between the tackles and can be productive. Look what he did in Cleveland in 2010 as the Browns' No. 1 offensive option. Daboll was his offensive coordinator then, and, guaranteed, he knows the right plays to dial for him. Shaun Draughn, who came off the practice squad at the end of last season, is the fourth option.

WR: Dwayne Bowe is the team's franchise player, which tells you how much Kansas City values him. Bowe is and has been the No. 1 option outside, catching a team-high 81 passes last season and 153 over the past two. But he couldn't find the end zone in 2011 as he did the year before, with his TD catches dropping from 15 to five. That must change. Steve Breaston is solid as the second option, and the club is hopeful Jonathan Baldwin improves on a disappointing rookie season. Nevertheless, the Chiefs need more depth at this position. McCluster could be a dynamic playmaker if he touched the ball more often.

TE: The loss of Leonard Pope to Pittsburgh leaves Kansas City with Tony Moeaki and Kevin Boss as their top two tight ends, and that's not bad ... provided, of course, Moeaki recovers from the torn ACL that sidelined him last season. Moeaki said he plans on participating in OTAs, but that's not the problem. This is: The guy has a history of injuries going back to the University of Iowa.

OL: With the addition of Eric Winston on the right side, the Chiefs are set at both tackle positions. Branden Albert is coming off a decent year at left tackle, and that's good considering that he's charged with protecting his quarterback's blind side. Now, look what happened when Kansas City ran the ball: Its greatest success was around the left side set by Albert. He is a valuable member of this unit, and his contract expires after this season. Rodney Hudson settles in at center, taking over for Casey Wiegmann, and he showed signs a year ago that he's ready for the move. The club is covered at the guard positions, particularly on the right side where Jon Asamoah played well, but it should start grooming someone behind Lilja, who wore down as last season wore on. Backup tackle David Mims is raw, while Steve Maneri's background as a tight end makes him an ideal fit in tackle-over formations.

DL: There's a glaring need at this position, staring with the nose. For the moment, Jerrell Powe is the starter, but stay tuned. I can't imagine the Chiefs not looking for someone in this year's draft, especially after their run defense finished 26th and was shredded for 244 yards on 55 attempts by Tim Tebow and Denver. A plugger is needed in the middle to replace Kelly Gregg, and that guy might be in the draft. First-round picks Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson haven't fulfilled their promise as defensive ends, with the two combining for one sack last year. With the Chiefs producing 29 -- 12 by linebacker Tamba Hali -- it's no secret they must improve at squeezing the pocket. And with Dorsey entering the last year of his contract it's time to start finding a replacement. Amon Gordon can play inside or out, while defensive end Allen Bailey showed signs of improvement. Bottom line: Help is needed here, inside or out.

LB: Hali and Derrick Johnson were chosen to the Pro Bowl, and they deserved it. Both had outstanding seasons, with Hali producing a team-high 12 sacks and four forced fumbles and Johnson finally playing up to expectations. Both are extraordinarily talented, and both are players opponents must take into account when playing Kansas City. Justin Houston came on as a rookie, especially in rushing the passer where he finished with 5½ sacks, and he should only improve with experience. Brandon Siler and Jovan Belcher are adequate in the middle, but the Chiefs could use an upgrade opposite Johnson to complete this group.

DB: The importance of this position is accentuated by the arrival of Manning in the division. With Manning, Philip Rivers and Carson Palmer on the schedule six times, the Chiefs figure to be in more sub-packages than they were in 2011 when they had five or more defensive backs on the field nearly 50 percent of the time. The club figured to lose cornerback Brandon Carr to free agency, so it launched a pre-emptive strike by landing Stanford Routt. Routt and Brandon Flowers are solid at the corners, while Javier Arenas is not only capable as the nickel back but is one of the team's top blitzers, too. Having Eric Berry back at safety is a plus, and having him paired with Kendrick Lewis completes what should be a decent secondary. Once you get beyond Arenas, there are questions, though rookie Jalil Brown showed promise. Scott Pioli has chosen a defensive back in every draft as Kansas City's GM, and it wouldn't be a surprise if that trend were to continue this year.

Micjones
04-13-2012, 11:53 AM
So basically we're standing in need at EVERY position?

Fansy the Famous Bard
04-13-2012, 11:55 AM
He didn't mention kickers.

Frankie
04-13-2012, 12:06 PM
So basically we're standing in need at EVERY position?

LMAO I was thinking the same thing. How much do these guys make writing stupid reviews?

whoman69
04-13-2012, 12:27 PM
LMAO I was thinking the same thing. How much do these guys make writing stupid reviews?

I wouldn't call it stupid. We can get upgrades in the linebacking and secondary corps. We have little depth on online and at safety. Plus I think we can do better than Lilja. We still don't have a fullback unless they ask Hillis to do that.

notorious
04-13-2012, 12:43 PM
"and he returns as the unquestioned starter"

"Matt's the guy," guard Ryan Lilja told the Kansas City Star. "He's going to take us places."



:facepalm:

Sorter
04-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Horrible read.

DJJasonp
04-13-2012, 01:06 PM
Thursday April 12, 2012 - 8:57 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18497098/team-draft-needs-kansas-city-chiefs



There is talent on this roster, and the needs aren't widespread. But Cassel must stay in the lineup and return to his error-free play of 2010, while the Chiefs must do a better job defending the run and taking care of the ball.

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He lost me early on in the story......

Frosty
04-13-2012, 01:12 PM
"and he returns as the unquestioned starter"

"Matt's the guy," guard Ryan Lilja told the Kansas City Star. "He's going to take us places."



:facepalm:

Well, Lilja didn't specify that they would be good places.

Bewbies
04-13-2012, 01:23 PM
People that don't watch the Chiefs: Clark Judge.

notorious
04-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Well, Lilja didn't specify that they would be good places.

I think that's what he meant.


We all knew it was going to happen, but it still pisses me off when I read or hear that Cassel is the undisputed starter for the upcoming season.

Frosty
04-13-2012, 01:32 PM
I think that's what he meant.

I guess my sense of humor doesn't translate well here. :harumph:

Of course that's what he meant.

Anyhoo, I don't know that it's set in stone that Cassel is the undisputed starter. There has been an awful lot of interest in other QBs, from Orton to Manning to guys in the draft. If Cassel is the starter next year, I think there is a good chance that it is only as a placeholder while a drafted QB matures (Stanzi or someone picked this year).

keg in kc
04-13-2012, 01:34 PM
We're going to see a lot of these "no fucking clue" articles in the next couple of weeks. They probably just update the same ones annually.

Frosty
04-13-2012, 01:38 PM
We're going to see a lot of these "no ****ing clue" articles in the next couple of weeks. They probably just update the same ones annually.

It is refreshing to not see every article say the number one need of the Chiefs is a LT though.

HemiEd
04-13-2012, 02:43 PM
But Cassel must stay in the lineup and return to his error-free play of 2010,

This just makes me ****ing crazy, where do people get this shit? He had one good game, one. He sucked the rest of the season, but JC and the rest were able to overcome his **** ups.

Did he even watch any of the games in 2010 or is he like a lot of others just looking at final TD vs. Int numbers?

Mr. Laz
04-13-2012, 02:47 PM
Houston can't rush the passer /CPdumbass

Micjones
04-13-2012, 02:53 PM
This just makes me ****ing crazy, where do people get this shit? He had one good game, one. He sucked the rest of the season, but JC and the rest were able to overcome his **** ups.

Did he even watch any of the games in 2010 or is he like a lot of others just looking at final TD vs. Int numbers?

One good game?

Bewbies
04-13-2012, 02:59 PM
One good game?

Yes, against Seattle. And they sucked ass.

Fish
04-13-2012, 03:17 PM
This just makes me ****ing crazy, where do people get this shit? He had one good game, one. He sucked the rest of the season, but JC and the rest were able to overcome his **** ups.

Did he even watch any of the games in 2010 or is he like a lot of others just looking at final TD vs. Int numbers?

Well... he obviously talked to Cassel personally. And of course, Cassel graded himself out as error free....

Marcellus
04-13-2012, 03:43 PM
This just makes me ****ing crazy, where do people get this shit? He had one good game, one. He sucked the rest of the season, but JC and the rest were able to overcome his **** ups.

Did he even watch any of the games in 2010 or is he like a lot of others just looking at final TD vs. Int numbers?

Cassel had a stretch of something like 18 Td's and 2 INt's in an 8 game span.

Error free does not mean lights out. For the most part aside from a few games he was "error free" meaning not turning the ball over.

Don't confuse "error free" with franchise or carrying a team.

HemiEd
04-13-2012, 03:44 PM
One good game?

The Seattle game was the only game where he looked like a legit NFL QB.

suzzer99
04-13-2012, 03:47 PM
People that don't watch the Chiefs: Clark Judge.

No shit. Anyone who calls Dorsey and TJax big disappointments is a dead giveaway. Well other than the Cassel stuff as well.

Red Dawg
04-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Decastro or that K-guy. Anything else is not as good. D-dawg would lock up the line for many years and K-dawg would lock up our LB for many years as well.

I want a big fat NT like most of us but it can't be Poe. He's an overrated lazy slob.

HemiEd
04-13-2012, 03:52 PM
Cassel had a stretch of something like 18 Td's and 2 INt's in an 8 game span.

Error free does not mean lights out. For the most part aside from a few games he was "error free" meaning not turning the ball over.

Don't confuse "error free" with franchise or carrying a team.

Against a last place schedule, and he lost six of those games. They went 4 and 0 against the NFC West.
He had that stretch because Jamaal Charles was running roughshod averaging over 6 yards per carry. Bowe was making circus catches on the passes Cassel was able to complete.

I said at the end of that season, people would come back to the Cassel stats and think he had a good season. :banghead:

Red Dawg
04-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Against a last place schedule, and he lost six of those games. They went 4 and 0 against the NFC West.
He had that stretch because Jamaal Charles was running roughshod averaging over 6 yards per carry. Bowe was making circus catches on the passes Cassel was able to complete.

I said at the end of that season, people would come back to the Cassel stats and think he had a good season. :banghead:

I agree. That season is vastly overrated. He did the same in NE playing the same teams. He can't beat good defenses and didn't, not even that year. Anyone that watches football can watch Matt for a few games and tell that he doesn't have the icy veins or feel for the game that it takes to be really good. Not to mention accuracy and reading defenses.

Marcellus
04-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Against a last place schedule, and he lost six of those games. They went 4 and 0 against the NFC West.
He had that stretch because Jamaal Charles was running roughshod averaging over 6 yards per carry. Bowe was making circus catches on the passes Cassel was able to complete.

I said at the end of that season, people would come back to the Cassel stats and think he had a good season. :banghead:

I am not defending him or saying he had a good season, just saying he does have to play error free to give the team any chance at all.

Pasta Little Brioni
04-13-2012, 04:32 PM
The Seattle game was the only game where he looked like a legit NFL QB.

You must have missed the Tennesse game, but still your point is taken.

007
04-13-2012, 04:34 PM
As soon as he said we NEED cassel I was done.

HemiEd
04-13-2012, 05:44 PM
You must have missed the Tennesse game, but still your point is taken.

Thanks, I remember it to some extent, but not vividly. Isn't that the game where Charles made two runs after catches for TDs and Bowe had an incredible long run for a TD after the catch? IIRC I credited all three to Bowe and JC, but I don't remember them exactly. Maybe my Cassel hate is clouding my memory.

The game that really helped Cassel's numbers that year, was when he put the team behind so bad against Denver, then they played so soft he threw for a bazillion yards and TDs.

I am not defending him or saying he had a good season, just saying he does have to play error free to give the team any chance at all.
Good point, you are right.

Bump
04-13-2012, 06:39 PM
I hope Brady Quinn has had enough time to learn behind shit quarterbacks, because it would be fucking awesome if he just didn't get any chance before or not enough time or good coaches to help him develop and get's it in his head and turns out to be a 1st round QB like he was drafted in.

Chief3188
04-13-2012, 09:17 PM
The Seattle game was the only game where he looked like a legit NFL QB.

I thought he looked good against Tennessee that year.

Chief3188
04-13-2012, 09:20 PM
I hope Brady Quinn has had enough time to learn behind shit quarterbacks, because it would be ****ing awesome if he just didn't get any chance before or not enough time or good coaches to help him develop and get's it in his head and turns out to be a 1st round QB like he was drafted in.

Well if we are just hoping here then wouldn't it better for us to hope that Stanzi turns out to be the guy? I don't care where either QB was drafted. I just want our own developed franchise QB that we drafted for a change.

Frankie
04-13-2012, 09:21 PM
I hope Brady Quinn has had enough time to learn behind shit quarterbacks, because it would be ****ing awesome if he just didn't get any chance before or not enough time or good coaches to help him develop and get's it in his head and turns out to be a 1st round QB like he was drafted in.

Mr. Bump is under the influence of his signature.

milkman
04-13-2012, 10:11 PM
But Cassel must stay in the lineup and return to his error-free play of 2010....

This is all I need to read to know that this is one stupid fuck.

milkman
04-13-2012, 10:16 PM
Thanks, I remember it to some extent, but not vividly. Isn't that the game where Charles made two runs after catches for TDs and Bowe had an incredible long run for a TD after the catch? IIRC I credited all three to Bowe and JC, but I don't remember them exactly. Maybe my Cassel hate is clouding my memory.

The game that really helped Cassel's numbers that year, was when he put the team behind so bad against Denver, then they played so soft he threw for a bazillion yards and TDs.


Good point, you are right.

Over 10% of his passing yards for the season came in that single game.

Tombstone RJ
04-13-2012, 10:27 PM
my prediction: kc will draft a QB this April...

Hammock Parties
04-13-2012, 10:31 PM
First-round picks Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson haven't fulfilled their promise as defensive ends, with the two combining for one sack last year.

Clark Judge is such a fucking moron. He knows nothing about the game.

Chiefshrink
04-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Decastro or that K-guy. Anything else is not as good. D-dawg would lock up the line for many years and K-dawg would lock up our LB for many years as well.

I want a big fat NT like most of us but it can't be Poe. He's an overrated lazy slob.

Well now that Manning is in our division and our sack total sucked last yr except for Hali's performance I think it goes without saying that our first pick whether we stay at 11 or trade down will be defense and specifically addressing the pass rush. Crennel has Manning's number and knows how to defense him and but he needs pass rushing talent to do it.

I agree we need a serious NT and I like Cox although light his athleticism makes up for it IMO. The LB Kuechly is a Mike Vrabel clone who covers very well and has a nose for early diagnosis(instinct) of a play.

Okie_Apparition
04-13-2012, 10:37 PM
Mike

Tombstone RJ
04-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Some predict Tannehill will be the #3 pick and if that's the case then whoever takes Tannehill at 3 is making a desperation move. Tannehill should be drafted in the second round but with the primium on QBs he'll definitely go in the first. The rest of the QBs aren't worth a first round slot but there's some decent guys later on.

If Tannehill drops will Pioli pull the trigger? Does anyone think Pioli has the guts to make that move?

beach tribe
04-14-2012, 12:12 AM
Bump.
Arkansas to page 2.