Peter King: If Tannehill makes it out of the top 10, he'll be the 11th overall pick

[Deberg_1990]

That spot belongs to the Chiefs. I don't see the Chiefs taking Tannehill. I see Kansas City taking the best offer for the pick, and there will certainly be offers for that pick if Tannehill slips. Still, the most likely scenarios are Tannehill to Cleveland at four or Miami at eight. But why 11? Because teams around the league know how much Seattle loves Tannehill. And you can write this down: If Tannehill were to be there at 12, Seattle would take him, even though the Seahawks just paid medium dollar for Matt Flynn in free agency. That's how much Seattle loves him. "At Tannehill's workout,'' one source told me, "[coach] Pete Carroll was giggling like a schoolgirl watching him throw. His attitude was like, 'What are we even doing here? He'll never be there for us.' ''



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[Reerun_KC]

FML of course we would pass.....

[RealSNR]

I've said all along. Tannehill's not worth the trade up. But if he's sitting there at 11 we've GOT to take him. There's just no excuse for not spending that draft pick on something that could generate as high of a reward as Tannehill.

Yeah, he's not the ideal QB. So what? Neither is Cassel. Or Quinn. Or Stanzi for that matter.

[Bump]

if it means we are 1 step closer to getting rid of Cassel, then fine, take the chance. 50/50 shot it works out probably. Time to gamble! But don't trade up for him, hell no.

[mr. tegu]

So if Pete Carrol likes him does that just prove that Tannehil is no good? Carrol's QB evaluations are not exactly littered with great NFL players. Cassel, Sanchez, Leinart, John David Booty

[qabbaan]

If he falls to 11 and we trade down for interior linemen, so help me....

[RealSNR]

Let's say Tannehill turns in even a mediocreish career. Let's say he's... 2011 Alex Smith.

I'd rather pay for the investment right now just so I can get that Alex Smith on the field with this group of guys sooner than wait around for the QB that likely won't be available to us in next year's draft.

[Reerun_KC]

If he falls to 11 and we trade down for interior linemen, so help me....

Much rejoice will happen in the fanbase...

It will be fucking sickening...

[whoman69]

I've been pretty harsh on him, but if the guy falls to us, we have to take him.

[Direckshun]

We can probably get a mini-bounty of picks.

But who's going to trade up for him? Nobody that I can tell, except Browns at #22. But they'd just rather take him at #4 than have to trade away the farm for it.

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[RealSNR]

So if Pete Carrol likes him does that just prove that Tannehil is no good? Carrol's QB evaluations are not exactly littered with great NFL players. Cassel, Sanchez, Leinart, John David Booty:spock: That's like saying Terry Shea is a terrible QB evaluator because he hasn't turned out a pro prospect in his college coaching career

[Bump]

wait, doesn't 99% of CP hate Tannehill? Now you like him?

I haven't watched him much, I just want Cassel out.

[Thig Lyfe]

I've been pretty harsh on him, but if the guy falls to us, we have to take him.

I guess. Thank the lawd for the new rookie contract system. We can get a clear sign that the franchise is ready to move on from Cassel without banking on the guy to be The One.

[RealSNR]

We can probably get a mini-bounty of picks.

But who's going to trade up for him? Nobody that I can tell, except Browns at #22. But they'd just rather take him at #4 than have to trade away the farm for it.

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[BossChief]

I just don't understand people that would take him at 11 no questions asked, but wouldn't even think about adding a second or third to ensure us being able to pick him.

If a quarterback is worth the 11 pick, he is worth the 6 or 7 pick.

It's as simple as that.

WE AREN'T GONNA WIN SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

[PhillyChiefFan]

If he's there, then yea take him. But he won't make it past Miami...course I said that in2007 of Brady Quinn.

[eazyb81]

He is going to be a garbage pro QB. Did anyone bother watching him play at A&M?

He is a 2nd-4th round pick that will be way overdrafted simply due to lack of QB supply in this draft.

[mr. tegu]

He is going to be a garbage pro QB. Did anyone bother watching him play at A&M?

He is a 2nd-4th round pick that will be way overdrafted simply due to lack of QB supply in this draft.

I concur. No queiro Tannehill.

[eazyb81]

Let's say Tannehill turns in even a mediocreish career. Let's say he's... 2011 Alex Smith.


2011 Alex Smith is not mediocre. He was in that second tier of QBs behind the elite guys last year. I wouldn't expect that from Tannehill.

[mr. tegu]

:spock: That's like saying Terry Shea is a terrible QB evaluator because he hasn't turned out a pro prospect in his college coaching career

To me it means he knows a good college QB (which Tannehill was not bad)but not necessarily one that has the NFL skill set. But I am biased and do not want Tannehil here. :D

[Fritz88]

Pipe dream.
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[BossChief]

Every scouting website says Tannehill has a skill set tailor made for the NFL game.

It's why he has risen up boards while other qbs from this class haven't.

[mnchiefsguy]

I just don't understand people that would take him at 11 no questions asked, but wouldn't even think about adding a second or third to ensure us being able to pick him.

If a quarterback is worth the 11 pick, he is worth the 6 or 7 pick.

It's as simple as that.

WE AREN'T GONNA WIN SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

If the Chiefs truly feel Tannehill is the one, and it would only take a second or a third to trade up, I could live with that. However, it is going to take significantly more than that to move up to get him, especially if the Chiefs have to move up to the 3 spot.

[Mr. Laz]

If he falls to 11 and we trade down for interior linemen, so help me....

seems to me that you are just looking for a reason to be pissed about something


WHAT could the Chiefs do that would make you happy?

[Micjones]

Not sure that I'd trade up for him, but if he's sitting there at 11, you take him.

[Thig Lyfe]

seems to me that you are just looking for a reason to be pissed about something


WHAT could the Chiefs do that would make you happy?

Russell Wilson in the 4th!!!

[PhillyChiefFan]

He is going to be a garbage pro QB. Did anyone bother watching him play at A&M?

He is a 2nd-4th round pick that will be way overdrafted simply due to lack of QB supply in this draft.

The media loves to stir the pot and I think they have with Tannehill. There is ALWAYS at least one in the draft.

[Micjones]

Russell Wilson in the 4th!!!

He's like 5'10... Seriously?

[KCDC]

We can probably get a mini-bounty of picks.

But who's going to trade up for him? Nobody that I can tell, except Browns at #22. But they'd just rather take him at #4 than have to trade away the farm for it.

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Despite the giggling, I just can't see Seattle taking him, in light of Flynn. I think they need Keuchly and will pretend that they want Tannehill, so we will trade with them to swap picks and then they take our guy. This is the time when agents and clubs put out the total lies about how badly they want someone.

Now then, other clubs interested in grooming a QB and can afford to wait a couple years to see if Tannehill pans out: Arizona possibly, but we wouldn't get much for slipping two spots and we lose Keuchly. Plenty of reports about Jerry Jones tiring of Romo and wants to groom successor ... maybe. Eagles are a possibility, though they need to win NOW. So, that leaves the Browns at 22. I think they might try and move up, and they have the extra picks. I think they have to take Richardson at #4 and hope that Tannehill slides ... but they also need upgrades at many positions, so I don't see them really as a possibility to trade up as far as #11.

Thus, I'm not sure that we should hold our breath on thinking that anyone is going to be willing to give us extra trade value (other than standard chart value, if that) to move up.

[BigChiefFan]

We can probably get a mini-bounty of picks.

But who's going to trade up for him? Nobody that I can tell, except Browns at #22. But they'd just rather take him at #4 than have to trade away the farm for it.

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I don't think anybody takes him before Cleveland at 22.

[eazyb81]

It will be so sad to see this fanbase wait almost 30 years to draft a QB in the 1st round, only to see the long streak broken by Ryan f'n Tannehill.

When he busts, I'm not sure our grandkids will even be alive to see the next time the Chiefs take a QB in the 1st round.

[Micjones]

It will be so sad to see this fanbase wait almost 30 years to draft a QB in the 1st round, only to see the long streak broken by Ryan f'n Tannehill.

When he busts, I'm not sure our grandkids will even be alive to see the next time the Chiefs take a QB in the 1st round.

I don't think Pioli would shy away from pulling that trigger again.
If he survives a bust at QB, that is.

[morphius]

It will be so sad to see this fanbase wait almost 30 years to draft a QB in the 1st round, only to see the long streak broken by Ryan f'n Tannehill.

When he busts, I'm not sure our grandkids will even be alive to see the next time the Chiefs take a QB in the 1st round.
He might be bad enough that we would have to draft his replacement while he is still under contract, and we'll be in place to get a great one (except that'll be the year that all the QB's are crap)

[qabbaan]

seems to me that you are just looking for a reason to be pissed about something


WHAT could the Chiefs do that would make you happy?

Sorry to hear that stick is still in your ass :(

Draft Tannehill, if he is there. That would make almost all of us happy. I don't advocate trading up to get him, but if we have Matt Cassel at the helm, a 30 year old who plays like a rookie, and we pass on a QB with actual NFL upside, sure I would be pissed. It would fit in with most of the other signs that they actually believe Cassel is a franchise guy though.

[notorious]

This coaching staff + Tannelhill = Complete disaster

[Hoover]

What if he slips and Cleveland offers us their 2nd rounder plus their 2013 first round pick? I mean what we all want is an extra 2013 first rounder to get our QB.

[ChiefMojo]

It would make you happy but not me. I don't really want anything to do with Tannehill. I see him a slightly better version of Cassell in the long run.

The only reason he might be a top 10 pick is teams that need QB's get desperate and reach badly for players. We saw it last year with the likes of Ponder and company.

Why grab a QB that is likely NOT going to be a franchise QB where you could get other players that fit the BPA that will make immediate impacts and likely garner long time Pro-Bowl bids.

If Tannehill drops to #11, hope the Browns at #22 want to trade up. Get a likely 2013 1st round draft pick to go along with a possible 2nd/3rd this year. Next year we could package our two first together and go way up to draft a ELITE franchise QB!

[Thig Lyfe]

He's like 5'10... Seriously?

I have a feeling he'll be one of those exceptions to the rule.

[Setsuna]

wait, doesn't 99% of CP hate Tannehill? Now you like him?

I haven't watched him much, I just want Cassel out.

Don't be dumb, go get high.

[KCDC]

What if he slips and Cleveland offers us their 2nd rounder plus their 2013 first round pick? I mean what we all want is an extra 2013 first rounder to get our QB.

If a crappy team offers us their 1st next year + something like a 2nd this year, we jump it. :)

[In58men]

If it's not Tannehill it's another shitty season with Cassel and the scraps the Patriots throw away.

[mr. tegu]

NFL upside - defintiion, noun: any collegiate or otherwise nonprofessional football player that is said to have the potential to be a quality player with an upward trend due to the fact that he has not yet played in the NFL.

[mr. tegu]

If it's not Tannehill it's another shitty season with Cassel and the scraps the Patriots throw away.

:spock: So Tannehill is going to start this season if we get him?

[The Bad Guy]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

I'm not going to chokeslam my dog if we take him, but no, you're not the only one.
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[In58men]

:spock: So Tannehill is going to start this season if we get him?

When our season is officially over by week 13 he'll start.

[Epic Fail 007]

I've said all along. Tannehill's not worth the trade up. But if he's sitting there at 11 we've GOT to take him. There's just no excuse for not spending that draft pick on something that could generate as high of a reward as Tannehill.

Yeah, he's not the ideal QB. So what? Neither is Cassel. Or Quinn. Or Stanzi for that matter.

I see you follow the carl draft guide . Which is pick your ass not be aggressive.

[Saccopoo]

Every scouting website says Tannehill has a skill set tailor made for the NFL game.

It's why he has risen up boards while other qbs from this class haven't.

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Well...maybe not. When he busts as a QB, I guess he can be our fourth wideout. Oh! We'll use him like Antwan Randel-El! He'll be that crazy, sub wild cat package where we can line him up far right/left and throw him screens for bombs down the field once a game.

Oh, and even Jimmy "Tiny Hands" Clausen had a bigger hand than Tannehill. (By 1/4".)

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[Setsuna]

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Well...maybe not. When he busts as a QB, I guess he can be our fourth wideout. Oh! We'll use him like Antwan Randel-El! He'll be that crazy, sub wild cat package where we can line him up far right/left and throw him screens for bombs down the field once a game.

Oh, and even Jimmy "Tiny Hands" Clausen had a bigger hand than Tannehill. (By 1/4".)

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[pr_capone]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

no

[mr. tegu]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

An additional no.

[Reerun_KC]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

Taking him is better than taking a RG or a D-Linemen from LSU...

[suds79]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

Think of it this way. We'll be in the same place if we were to draft him and he busts we'd be in if we were to take a Guard.

At some point you have to take your shot at QB. Who cares if you miss. Have to play to win.

[The Bad Guy]

Taking him is better than taking a RG or a D-Linemen from LSU...

Not really.

He's another project that will take us out of the QB derby for years to come - even if he sucks.

[The Bad Guy]

Think of it this way. We'll be in the same place if we were to draft him and he busts we'd be in if we were to take a Guard.

At some point you have to take your shot at QB. Who cares if you miss. Have to play to win.

There's better QBs to take a shot on.

[Chiefnj2]

There's better QBs to take a shot on.

Who, in which round?

[The Bad Guy]

Who, in which round?

I'd much rather take the ASU QB in the 2nd round instead of spending a first on Tannehill.

I've watched him enough that I'm not impressed - at all.

[Reerun_KC]

Not really.

He's another project that will take us out of the QB derby for years to come - even if he sucks.

So basically continue to do what we normally do..

Fair enough...

[Sorter]

Don't want Tannehill. All for trading up to get Bray or Wilson next year. Trade down/out, get ammo for next year. W

[notorious]

He played against Big 12 defenses.


He struggled against real defense.


Stay far, far away.

[Chiefnj2]

Osweiler in the 2nd? Really? He looks atrocious to me. But, then again I'd be happy with Weeden in the 2nd.

[BigMeatballDave]

Taking him is better than taking a RG or a D-Linemen from LSU...We have a RG, we could use a LG to replace Lilja.

I'm at the point where I dont care who we take at 11.

As long as we dont give up a shitton to get Tannehill.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez are awesome QBs. I know great QBs when I see them.

Sincerely,

Pete Carroll

[-King-]

2011 Alex Smith is not mediocre. He was in that second tier of QBs behind the elite guys last year. I wouldn't expect that from Tannehill.

ROFL No he wasn't. 3000 yards in a year when some qbs are throwing for 5000 is very much mediocre.
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[Chiefs Pantalones]

We have a RG, we could use a LG to replace Lilja.

I'm at the point where I dont care who we take at 11.

As long as we dont give up a shitton to get Tannehill.

This is me. I don't care who we take as long as we don't reach. BPA at whatever position.

[DJ's left nut]

I just don't understand people that would take him at 11 no questions asked, but wouldn't even think about adding a second or third to ensure us being able to pick him.

If a quarterback is worth the 11 pick, he is worth the 6 or 7 pick.

It's as simple as that.

WE AREN'T GONNA WIN SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

That's my thought.

If you think the guy is worth the 11; he's easily worth an additional 2nd rounder to secure his service.

"Oh, well if it's just our first round pick..."

Huh? A first round pick, especially a high first rounder, is incredibly valuable. Either you think he's good enough to justify that pick or you don't. And if you think he's good enough to justify that pick, you'd really blow a chance at him because it would cost us a 2nd?

I'm not certain he's good enough to take at 11. But I do know that if I did think it and he's still sitting there when the Jags call up and offer him to us if we'll flip our 2nd in with the 11, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Either you want him or you don't, IMO. If you want him, you believe he's a potential franchise QB. And if you believe that, he's easily worth chipping in a 2nd round pick to secure.

[rico]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

An additional no.

[okcchief]

Tannehill will be worse than Cassel and Quinn until at least year 3 IMO. We need a QB but that doesn't mean we should reach in the first round. Tannehill is only a first round pick because teams are desperate and it's a QB driven league. I would be willing to bet Weeden will do more in the NFL than Tannehill and he'll go in round 2 or 3. I've seen this guy play and the higher the pressure the worse he plays. We already have that QB. If he drops to 11 and we take him I won't be upset because he may have a chance to develop, but anyone thinking he has a chance to start right away is delusional. If we trade up to pick him I may break something.

[patteeu]

We can probably get a mini-bounty of picks.

But who's going to trade up for him? Nobody that I can tell, except Browns at #22. But they'd just rather take him at #4 than have to trade away the farm for it.

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The Jets need a QB even if they don't realize it yet.

[DeezNutz]

Not really.

He's another project that will take us out of the QB derby for years to come - even if he sucks.

Shit, have we ever been in the QB derby you speak of?

[rico]

The media loves to stir the pot and I think they have with Tannehill. There is ALWAYS at least one in the draft.

I think this is the case as well. Things became less interesting when Washington traded up for RG3. That is why I have been stating that Tannehill has been "randomly ordained" as the #3 QB prospect...

[Chiefnj2]

That's my thought.

If you think the guy is worth the 11; he's easily worth an additional 2nd rounder to secure his service.

"Oh, well if it's just our first round pick..."

Huh? A first round pick, especially a high first rounder, is incredibly valuable. Either you think he's good enough to justify that pick or you don't. And if you think he's good enough to justify that pick, you'd really blow a chance at him because it would cost us a 2nd?

I'm not certain he's good enough to take at 11. But I do know that if I did think it and he's still sitting there when the Jags call up and offer him to us if we'll flip our 2nd in with the 11, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Either you want him or you don't, IMO. If you want him, you believe he's a potential franchise QB. And if you believe that, he's easily worth chipping in a 2nd round pick to secure.

A lot of people who "want" him are doing so reluctantly. It's not necessarily "I think he is a really great prospect" as opposed to "I'm willing to take a big chance on a guy rather than taking an ILB or G." I don't think you'll find many people who honestly believe he's the 11th best player in the draft.

[royr17]

Ryan Tannehill will not make it past the dolphins at 8, no way in hell, they are need of a qb desperately.

[LOCOChief]

If Tannehill drops to #11, hope the Browns at #22 want to trade up. Get a likely 2013 1st round draft pick to go along with a possible 2nd/3rd this year. Next year we could package our two first together and go way up to draft a ELITE franchise QB!

Browns give up a 2013 1st and a 2nd or 3rd this year to go from 22 to 11? :)

[DeezNutz]

Coming into this season, suggesting that Tannehill would go #11 overall would have been laughed off the board. Hell, a vast majority of the board wouldn't have even known the player.

Up until the latter half of the year, there was debate about whether or not Griffen would be a first-rounder.

[okcchief]

If we wanted a first round QB we should have traded whatever it took to get RG3. I want a QB as much as anyone, but I doubt you guys drooling over Tannehill saw him play much. He has the measurables and that's it. I don't like taking projects in the first round.

[DJ's left nut]

A lot of people who "want" him are doing so reluctantly. It's not necessarily "I think he is a really great prospect" as opposed to "I'm willing to take a big chance on a guy rather than taking an ILB or G." I don't think you'll find many people who honestly believe he's the 11th best player in the draft.

Then I'd think that group should probably realize that the value of the #11 overall pick is significantly greater than they're assigning it.

If your attitude towards Tannehill is 'meh, he might work', I don't see how you can justify taking him that high.

That's an attitude for the 20s or the 2nd round. With the 11 overall, you'd better by-god love the guy you're looking at grabbing.

[OnTheWarpath15]

A lot of people who "want" him are doing so reluctantly. It's not necessarily "I think he is a really great prospect" as opposed to "I'm willing to take a big chance on a guy rather than taking an ILB or G." I don't think you'll find many people who honestly believe he's the 11th best player in the draft.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this board who thought he was worthy of the 11th pick back in November.

Amazing how opinions change due to workouts in shorts and flat-out desperation.

[GordonGekko]

Then I'd think that group should probably realize that the value of the #11 overall pick is significantly greater than they're assigning it.

If your attitude towards Tannehill is 'meh, he might work', I don't see how you can justify taking him that high.

That's an attitude for the 20s or the 2nd round. With the 11 overall, you'd better by-god love the guy you're looking at grabbing.

Tannehill has Blackledge written all over him

[DeezNutz]

Then I'd think that group should probably realize that the value of the #11 overall pick is significantly greater than they're assigning it.

If your attitude towards Tannehill is 'meh, he might work', I don't see how you can justify taking him that high.

That's an attitude for the 20s or the 2nd round. With the 11 overall, you'd better by-god love the guy you're looking at grabbing.

There isn't a single prospect whom I "love" that will be there at #11.

[durtyrute]

Most people want to take him because the media is telling them "he's the third best qb in the draft." He just popped up out of nowhere over the last few months.

[DeezNutz]

I'd be OK with taking him if he doesn't hinder the development of the best fifth-round selection in the history of drafted QBs.

[Chiefnj2]

With the 11 overall, you'd better by-god love the guy you're looking at grabbing.

Not in this years draft. Who do you love? A guard? An ILB? Another LSU DL who will likely be average in the NFL? A CB like Kirkpatrick as insurance if Routt doesn't work?

[DJ's left nut]

Not in this years draft. Who do you love? A guard? An ILB? Another LSU DL who will likely be average in the NFL? A CB like Kirkpatrick as insurance if Routt doesn't work?

Then bail.

There's going to be a team somewhere that decides they have to have Kuechly and will give up a 1st next year to do it. Or one of the pass-rushers if they fall.

If you don't see a guy you want there and you're just drafting for poops and grins, it's time to trade out. Someone will like the guys available enough to move up for them.

[WhiteWhale]

2011 Alex Smith is not mediocre. He was in that second tier of QBs behind the elite guys last year. I wouldn't expect that from Tannehill.

No he wasn't.

Alex Smith had a statistically nice season in the same way that Cassel did in 2010. He was protected by playcalling and rarely challenged to 'make a play'.

He had the game of his life against the Saints, but that itself doesn't make him 2nd tier after years of being shit. He threw for 3100 yards and 17 TD's while his team relied on their kicker (52 FG attempts) to score points. That's his ceiling. Winning with FG's and a great defense.

[DeezNutz]

Then bail.

There's going to be a team somewhere that decides they have to have Kuechly and will give up a 1st next year to do it. Or one of the pass-rushers if they fall.

If you don't see a guy you want there and you're just drafting for poops and grins, it's time to trade out. Someone will like the guys available enough to move up for them.

No way. I don't think this has much of a chance of happening. Richardson, Blackmon, Tannehill...these players fall? Then, yes, I can see a team being aggressive to move up, but not for a second-tier first rounder in a shallow class.

[mr. tegu]

I think this is the case as well. Things became less interesting when Washington traded up for RG3. That is why I have been stating that Tannehill has been "randomly ordained" as the #3 QB prospect...

My thoughts exactly for a long time now. The premium for quality QB play in the NFL has steadily been going up raising the value of Tannehill. In my opinion Tannehill is not being talked of about being the third best QB ahead of the others because of his skills, moreover its because of all of them he is the least known commodity. The other guys (Wilson, Weeden, or Osweiler or whomever) have more experience and we know more what they are. But with Tannehill it is all about, well he hasn't failed yet therefore he has the most upside.

[WhiteWhale]

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this board who thought he was worthy of the 11th pick back in November.

Amazing how opinions change due to workouts in shorts and flat-out desperation.

Never trust a QB who climbs the boards while no football is being played.

[Titty Meat]

He is going to be a garbage pro QB. Did anyone bother watching him play at A&M?

He is a 2nd-4th round pick that will be way overdrafted simply due to lack of QB supply in this draft.

You aren't drafting Tannehill for what he was at Texas A&M. You are drafting him for what you think he will be with 2 years on the bench given time to improve his footwork.

[Reerun_KC]

Well actually this is a pointless discussion.


Its not gonna happen...

[eazyb81]

ROFL No he wasn't. 3000 yards in a year when some qbs are throwing for 5000 is very much mediocre.
Posted via Mobile Device

17/5 TD to INT ratio was great and he didn't have to throw 5 gajillion yards when he had the best defense in the league.

He was absolutely in the next tier of QBs after the elite guys in 2011. The non-elite QBs that had more yards than him also had god awful TD/INT ratios that made them much less valuable than their gaudy passing yards would indicate to stupid people like you.

Anyways the point is Tannehill sucks and should not be viewed as a likely version of 2011 Alex Smith.

[eazyb81]

You aren't drafting Tannehill for what he was at Texas A&M. You are drafting him for what you think he will be with 2 years on the bench given time to improve his footwork.

Agree, but his "flashes" have been no better than any other random big-school college QB's "flashes". Stanzi showed flashes too, but he was a great pick because we used a 5th round pick on him, not the #11 overall.

[Titty Meat]

Agree, but his "flashes" have been no better than any other random big-school college QB's "flashes". Stanzi showed flashes too, but he was a great pick because we used a 5th round pick on him, not the #11 overall.

I see your point but the guy has great size is an athletic freak and can make many of the throws you need from an NFL QB. If he can put it all together he could be a nice QB. I think I'd rather roll the dice on him than to draft guard or inside linebacker.

[Saccopoo]

Tannehill has Blackledge written all over him

No he doesn't.

Blackledge came out of a pro set under a great coach in his prime, was a three year starter and led Penn State to a national championship in 1982.

He won the Davey O'Brien award (top quarterback) and was an All-American.

Tannehill isn't even close to Blackledge at the same level.

However, if you mean that because Tannehill struggles to read defenses like Blackledge did at the NFL level, I'd agree with you.

[jspchief]

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this board who thought he was worthy of the 11th pick back in November.

Amazing how opinions change due to workouts in shorts and flat-out desperation.

I started a thread in October suggesting he could be a 1st rnd QB. I didn't exactly say 11th pick, but the idea that this guy climbed the charts based on workouts is false. People were talking about him midway through the NCAA season.

[Mr. Laz]

Agree, but his "flashes" have been no better than any other random big-school college QB's "flashes". Stanzi showed flashes too, but he was a great pick because we used a 5th round pick on him, not the #11 overall.
Tannehill is much stronger and his throwing more compact

Stanzi was a bit gangly the last time i saw him

although it's been awhile since he went into the Chiefs Witness protection program. LMAO

[sedated]

I haven’t commented on Tannehill, but I personally don’t see him being a franchise QB, and don’t want us to take him.

I read some analysis on the best factor to determine a QBs success in the NFL, and while all were inconclusive, the best was number of games started in college. He doesn’t pass that test.

Despite Texas A&M’s talent last yer, they underperformed. I’d bet the farm that more franchise QBs came from an under-talented but over-performing college team than those that came from over-talented but under-performing college teams.

And who was the last great NFL QB to ever be seriously considered as a WR?

[WhiteWhale]

17/5 TD to INT ratio was great and he didn't have to throw 5 gajillion yards when he had the best defense in the league.

He was absolutely in the next tier of QBs after the elite guys in 2011. The non-elite QBs that had more yards than him also had god awful TD/INT ratios that made them much less valuable than their gaudy passing yards would indicate to stupid people like you.

Anyways the point is Tannehill sucks and should not be viewed as a likely version of 2011 Alex Smith.

He did the same thing Matt Cassel did in 2010, but he had a better defense.

That's it.

[rico]

I haven’t commented on Tannehill, but I personally don’t see him being a franchise QB, and don’t want us to take him.

I read some analysis on the best factor to determine a QBs success in the NFL, and while all were inconclusive, the best was number of games started in college. He doesn’t pass that test.

Despite Texas A&M’s talent last yer, they underperformed. I’d bet the farm that more franchise QBs came from an under-talented but over-performing college team than those that came from over-talented but under-performing college teams.

And who was the last great NFL QB to ever be seriously considered as a WR?

Speaking of their talent, I read that Cyrus Gray had worked out with the Chiefs.... now, there's a dude I wouldn't mind the Chiefs DRAFTING THEN SIGNING (ya happy H1N1?) in the 3rd or 4th. I've been impressed with him every time I've gotten the chance to watch him. Tannehill had the weapons and talent to work with and ended up being the epitome of mediocrity.

[AndChiefs]

Speaking of their talent, I read that Cyrus Gray had worked out with the Chiefs.... now, there's a dude I wouldn't mind the Chiefs signing in the 3rd or 4th. I've been impressed with him every time I've gotten the chance to watch him. Tannehill had the weapons and talent to work with and ended up being the epitome of mediocrity.

I wouldn't mind getting Christine Michael next year either. That guy has some serious talent (though is a bit brittle).

[RealSNR]

Then I'd think that group should probably realize that the value of the #11 overall pick is significantly greater than they're assigning it.

If your attitude towards Tannehill is 'meh, he might work', I don't see how you can justify taking him that high.

That's an attitude for the 20s or the 2nd round. With the 11 overall, you'd better by-god love the guy you're looking at grabbing.Let's say you're in a casino and are given $100 in chips. However, they tell you that the only way to redeem any of that money for cash is if you wind up with at least $1000 by the end of the evening.

In the casino are the usual games. Slot machines, blackjack tables, etc. However, there's a new game that costs $100 per play. The jackpot is $1000 if you win, and you have about a 30% chance of winning the jackpot on every turn.

Just ignore the fact that the casino offering that game would be out of business really quickly. Wouldn't you say that it's far more likely to win the jackpot by playing that game versus sitting at a blackjack table for the entire night?

As big of a fan as I've been of the 2011 draft of Pioli's (and even most of the 2010 draft, really), we've been sitting at the blackjack table for the entire fucking night. We're doing well. We're maybe up a few hundred at the moment. But even if we lay down a big bet on the next hand, we're not getting the $1000 we need. We won't even come close, in fact. We're going to have to play hundreds of hands and get pretty lucky a few times to get there.

I'm advocating for the strategy of the instant win game. We've been playing blackjack awhile and have maybe $400. Let's play one round. Why the fuck not? I'm not entirely too confident that we'll win, but geez. Our strategy at the tables seems to be going well, why not just get in on the next card cut at another table?

[eazyb81]

He did the same thing Matt Cassel did in 2010, but he had a better defense.

That's it.

And?

I don't think you even know what you're arguing.

[Ebolapox]

Speaking of their talent, I read that Cyrus Gray had worked out with the Chiefs.... now, there's a dude I wouldn't mind the Chiefs signing in the 3rd or 4th. I've been impressed with him every time I've gotten the chance to watch him. Tannehill had the weapons and talent to work with and ended up being the epitome of mediocrity.

you don't sign players in the third or fourth rounds, you DRAFT them in the third or fourth rounds THEN sign them before training camps...

[rico]

you don't sign players in the third or fourth rounds, you DRAFT them in the third or fourth rounds THEN sign them before training camps...

Yeah, yeah, typo, my bad, Puppet Master.

[Ebolapox]

Yeah, yeah, typo, my bad, Puppet Master.

not a typo. if you'd have typed 'draftde' instead of 'drafted,' THAT would be a typo. what you made was a simple error. :hmmm:

[Toad]

If he falls to 11 and we trade down for interior linemen, so help me....

Don't know why, but I got a chuckle out of that comment...then I cried a little b/c I know deep down the Chiefs are very capable of doing just that.

[RealSNR]

I see you follow the carl draft guide . Which is pick your ass not be aggressive.I don't know what any of this means, but I see that you tried to write "Carl" with your crayon.

When did Carl ever draft a QB you fucking idiot? When did he ever roll the dice and made it look like he was genuinely interested in winning a fucking championship? How the fuck is drafting Tannehill at 11 part of the "carl draft guide" and how the fuck is it not aggressive?

Go fuck your retarded mother by sticking your head up her vagina and suffocating yourself.

[rico]

not a typo. if you'd have typed 'draftde' instead of 'drafted,' THAT would be a typo. what you made was a simple error. :hmmm:

Ok, an oversight or a "simple error."
Happy?

[lcarus]

They said it was too risky to draft a QB in the first? They do realize that by saying that, they're risking their lives, because I'm seriously considering ambushing that fuck on the highway with a bazooka out of the back of a van.

[Bewbies]

If you don't ever draft a QB in the first round you're not interested in winning a Super Bowl. If our front office sees a winner in Tannehill why the hell would anyone be upset they tried? LMAO

[KCTitus]

When did Carl ever draft a QB you ****ing idiot?..

Carl's biggest risk was probably the Blackledge pick and overlooking Marino. Aside from that, in 1992/93, there was Matt Blundin and Mark Vlasic. 1995 was Steve Stenstrom, 1997 was Pat Barnes. There wasnt another until 2005 in the 7th round and 2006 was Croyle.

[lcarus]

If you don't ever draft a QB in the first round you're not interested in winning a Super Bowl. If our front office sees a winner in Tannehill why the hell would anyone be upset they tried? LMAO

Oh, they're interested in winning a Super Bowl. The same way KnowMo is interested in picking up women. Pioli drafting Dorsey and Jackson is equal to or greater than KnowMo using the pickup line "Hi! Would you like to see a movie and then I'll dick you later?" They're trying. Just going about it all the wrong way.

[RealSNR]

Carl's biggest risk was probably the Blackledge pick and overlooking Marino. Aside from that, in 1992/93, there was Matt Blundin and Mark Vlasic. 1995 was Steve Stenstrom, 1997 was Pat Barnes. There wasnt another until 2005 in the 7th round and 2006 was Croyle.Should have clarified. I meant in the first round.

Also, Carl was with the team when we drafted Blackledge?

[lcarus]

Should have clarified. I meant in the first round.

Also, Carl was with the team when we drafted Blackledge?

In 1983?

[BryanBusby]

If you don't ever draft a QB in the first round you're not interested in winning a Super Bowl. If our front office sees a winner in Tannehill why the hell would anyone be upset they tried? LMAO

"baaaawwww look at dat QB class for < insertnextyearhere >"

[jspchief]

'97 to 2005 without drafting a QB.

Good god, that's sickening.

[VAChief]

Should have clarified. I meant in the first round.

Also, Carl was with the team when we drafted Blackledge?

No, he wasn't, I believe he was in the USFL at the time Blackledge was drafted.

[lcarus]

'97 to 2005 without drafting a QB.

Good god, that's sickening.

When we finally did, we drafted James Kilian from Tulsa in the 7th lol, and then Brodie Croyle, and then Ricky Stanzi. Christ on a bike.

[KCTitus]

Should have clarified. I meant in the first round.

Also, Carl was with the team when we drafted Blackledge?

yes...yes, he was. Carl drafted Blackledge...I read it on the Planet.

[RealSNR]

In 1983?My point was no, he was not.

[RealSNR]

yes...yes, he was. Carl drafted Blackledge...I read it on the Planet.Ah, sorry. That line might be even too old for me to understand.

[KCTitus]

Ah, sorry. That line might be even too old for me to understand.

It's a labor of love...

[BryanBusby]

"herp a derp me no want Matt Ryan -- hey dat Chase Daniels duder from MU gonna be a beast draft him next year ^_^"

"Woah woah fuck all 3 QB's bro; next year gonna have Clausen and Bradford"

"NEXT'S YEARS CLASS GONNA OWN GET LUCK TY"

Now: "Fuck dat shit yo Blow4Barkley"

Next year: "Mediocre4Murray"

[tredadda]

When we finally did, we drafted James Kilian from Tulsa in the 7th lol, and then Brodie Croyle, and then Ricky Stanzi. Christ on a bike.

Scott drafted Stanzi, not Carl.

[BigRedChief]

I could easily see Cleveland moving up and we move down to #22 and getting their 2nd rounder.

[keg in kc]

I think I'm the only one who'd rather trade down than take him. I just don't see 'franchise quarterback' there. I see mid-round pick everybody wants to give up the 11 or more to get.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I think I'm the only one who'd rather trade down than take him. I just don't see 'franchise quarterback' there.

Nope, I'm with you. If possible, I'd like to see us trade back and acquire as much ammo as possible for either this year, or preferably next year.

[RealSNR]

"herp a derp me no want Matt Ryan -- hey dat Chase Daniels duder from MU gonna be a beast draft him next year ^_^"

"Woah woah fuck all 3 QB's bro; next year gonna have Clausen and Bradford"

"NEXT'S YEARS CLASS GONNA OWN GET LUCK TY"

Now: "Fuck dat shit yo Blow4Barkley"

Next year: "Mediocre4Murray"
There appears to be only one QB worth drafting in the top 10 per year according to Chiefs fans who pooh pooh Sanchez, Freeman, Clausen, and others. This year is rare because we have TWO top 10 guys in the same draft, yet they're in a class where the rest of the QBs are legitimately absolute feces. This is the only year I agree with them about that.

The funny thing about it is you're right- everybody tells me about all the great fucking QBs the NEXT class will have. "Shit we missed out on Stafford? Don't settle for Sanchez, wait until next year when we'll have Bradford, Locker, Clausen, and Tebow" (yes, people on here were actually hyping Tebow as a good thing about the 2010 class).

Next year, "Shit no good QBs where we're picking? Whatever. 2011 has Luck, Mallett, Locker, Gabbert, and maybe even Ponder!"

Next year, "Oh man! Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Nick Foles... shit son look at all those great QBs!"

You know what's terrible? THIS year I legitimately believe that 2013 will be one of the greatest QB classes we've seen since the year Eli, Rivers, and Roethlisberger all went in the 1st round. Matt Barkley and Landry Jones, as much as I hate them and think they'll be shitty pro QBs, will be certain to go in the first round. Tyler Wilson has the chance to be better than both of those guys, and there's also a chance that both Tyler Bray and Aaron Murray will declare for the draft early. That's a potential for FIVE great QBs all taken in the 1st round.

And yet what will happen? Same shit that happens every fucking year. Bray and Murray will stay in school. Landry Jones will be as mediocre as he's ever been. Tyler Wilson will fall like Jake Locker did in his last year at Washington. And pretty soon this annointed great QB class that even I couldn't imagine being bad gets turned into feces just like the rest of them, with Barkley and fallen stars Wilson and Jones. Geno Smith from West Virginia will probably be the fourth guy that people are intrigued about, and could very well end up having a better pro career than the other three.

Oh, but then we just have to wait for 2014, because then Tyler Bray and Aaron Murray will be in that draft. THAT'S the one you REALLY want to take a QB in.

[Chief Roundup]

I just don't understand people that would take him at 11 no questions asked, but wouldn't even think about adding a second or third to ensure us being able to pick him.

If a quarterback is worth the 11 pick, he is worth the 6 or 7 pick.

It's as simple as that.

WE AREN'T GONNA WIN SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

I am willing to give up a 3rd this year and next to move to 7 for Tannehill. That is better than giving up multiple first rounds for next years slew of might be's and what if's. And we already know they aren't going to give up those tips of picks to move up that far.

[Chief Roundup]

It would make you happy but not me. I don't really want anything to do with Tannehill. I see him a slightly better version of Cassell in the long run.

The only reason he might be a top 10 pick is teams that need QB's get desperate and reach badly for players. We saw it last year with the likes of Ponder and company.

Why grab a QB that is likely NOT going to be a franchise QB where you could get other players that fit the BPA that will make immediate impacts and likely garner long time Pro-Bowl bids.

If Tannehill drops to #11, hope the Browns at #22 want to trade up. Get a likely 2013 1st round draft pick to go along with a possible 2nd/3rd this year. Next year we could package our two first together and go way up to draft a ELITE franchise QB!

Yeah because every QB taken at the top of the class is going to be Elite.

When people thought that Barkley was coming out this year there were several that didn't want him. Now that he went back there is the Blow for Barkley starting.

[Setsuna]

He did the same thing Matt Cassel did in 2010, but he had a better defense.

That's it.

Except win a playoff game. Idiot.

[Setsuna]

I am willing to give up a 3rd this year and next to move to 7 for Tannehill. That is better than giving up multiple first rounds for next years slew of might be's and what if's. And we already know they aren't going to give up those tips of picks to move up that far.

Fuck you. Jags won't take that shit of an offer. GTFO.

[mnchiefsguy]

**** you. Jags won't take that shit of an offer. GTFO.

This is a Chiefs board...so fuck you and your Jags. You GTFO.

[Chief Roundup]

**** you. Jags won't take that shit of an offer. GTFO.

The 7th pick is worth 1500 pts
The 11th picks is worth 1250 pts.
Our 3rd #77 is worth 205 pts.
Our 3rd next year is worth more than a 45 and 250 at most. The points are there.

[RealSNR]

Fuck you. Jags won't take that shit of an offer. GTFO.Seriously? I'd take that offer if I were the Jags.

7. Chiefs draft Tannehill
8. Dolphins draft.. anybody
9. Panthers draft Cox/Kuechly
10. Bills draft Floyd/Reiff

The Jaguars would be able to pick up some draft picks and still take a player they wanted at 7. In this scenario it's very likely they could still have their choice of any DE in the entire draft.

[Chief Roundup]

Seriously? I'd take that offer if I were the Jags.

7. Chiefs draft Tannehill
8. Dolphins draft.. anybody
9. Panthers draft Cox/Kuechly
10. Bills draft Floyd/Reiff

The Jaguars would be able to pick up some draft picks and still take a player they wanted at 7. In this scenario it's very likely they could still have their choice of any DE in the entire draft.

Yeah and the Chiefs could still get Ta'amu in the 2cd, C or BPA in the 4th, C or BPA in the 5th which ever we didn't get in the 4th. And BPA after that.

We could get our QBotF and solidfy both of the lines.

[BossChief]

I wonder if Tannehill turns into the next Brady Quinn/Aaron Rodgers guy in the draft that keeps slipping until a team moves up for him in the 20s (that is more to do with Brady Quinn and the way Romeo got him in the first place, not Aaron)

Shit, the Browns moved up with over doubling the draft value points to do so.

[chiefzilla1501]

I see your point but the guy has great size is an athletic freak and can make many of the throws you need from an NFL QB. If he can put it all together he could be a nice QB. I think I'd rather roll the dice on him than to draft guard or inside linebacker.

He is not an athletic freak. He does not have elite size. In the NFL, those skill sets are nothing special. He isn't even a fraction of the athlete RGIII is, nor is he the kind of freakish size of a Big Ben or an Osweiler. He has a good enough arm, but only moderately strong compared to NFL starters. We have to stop comparing him to people in this draft class and start comparing him to NFL QBs. In the NFL, he has an average skill set (maybe slightly above average athleticism) and is light years behind in experience.

He is a tremendous reach.

[Epic Fail 007]

dude has chiefs trading up to 3 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mock-nfl-draft-predictions-trades-kansas-city-chiefs-ryan-tannehill-new-york-jets-ryan-kalil-041012

[Titty Meat]

He is not an athletic freak. He does not have elite size. In the NFL, those skill sets are nothing special. He isn't even a fraction of the athlete RGIII is, nor is he the kind of freakish size of a Big Ben or an Osweiler. He has a good enough arm, but only moderately strong compared to NFL starters. We have to stop comparing him to people in this draft class and start comparing him to NFL QBs. In the NFL, he has an average skill set (maybe slightly above average athleticism) and is light years behind in experience.

He is a tremendous reach.

He's 6'4 and has room to add more weight to his frame. He was a pretty good WR and a good college QB. What are you talking about?

[HoneyBadger]

So if Pete Carrol likes him does that just prove that Tannehil is no good? Carrol's QB evaluations are not exactly littered with great NFL players. Cassel, Sanchez, Leinart, John David Booty

You are a fuckin moron. His job was to get good college QBs, not NFL QBs. His evaluation is pretty good.

Cassel was a back-up.

Leinart won a Heisman trophy and 2 national championships.

Sanchez had pretty good numbers while at USC.

[MahiMike]

We will trade with Jax at #7, jump in front of Miami and snatch that QB right out of their freaking hands!

[Brock]

Fuck you. Jags won't take that shit of an offer. GTFO.

The Jags are tards. A crap franchise nobody cares about.

[chiefzilla1501]

He's 6'4 and has room to add more weight to his frame. He was a pretty good WR and a good college QB. What are you talking about?

More than half of NFL QBs are over 6'4". In fact, maybe close to 75% of QBs.
Most QBs weigh more than Tannehill. And he's not going to become 6'5", 242 lb. Big Ben big
He ran a 4.58 on his 40. RGIII ran a 4.41. He's fast but he's not freakishly fast, and if he builds out his frame (which he needs to), that's only going to slow him down further.
He was an okay college QB. He had solid supporting talent and put up below average numbers in an offense that was built off of throwing to predetermined reads.
He doesn't have anything close to Cutler arm strength. He doesn't have uncanny accuracy.

He is a pretty athletic QB who can throw the ball on par with average NFL QBs. Like I said, with his skill set, he can't just be good at reading defenses, he has to become exceptional. At least with RGIII, he can get away with it.

There is nothing freakish about him.

[MahiMike]

I wonder if Tannehill turns into the next Brady Quinn/Aaron Rodgers guy in the draft that keeps slipping until a team moves up for him in the 20s (that is more to do with Brady Quinn and the way Romeo got him in the first place, not Aaron)



The days of the QBs falling are behind us. We are now entering the 5 QBs in the 1st round era. With the rookie salary cap, the contracts are disposable. You will see teams draft 1st round QBs in multiple years. We better get going.

[MahiMike]

The Jags are tards. A crap franchise nobody cares about.

True. Here in Jax, they had an article saying they're shopping the #7 pick. They'd love to trade down and get 1 extra pick. See signature for rest of this post...

[chiefzilla1501]

The days of the QBs falling are behind us. We are now entering the 5 QBs in the 1st round era. With the rookie salary cap, the contracts are disposable. You will see teams draft 1st round QBs in multiple years. We better get going.

Who's the last team to drive 2 first round QBs within a 3-year span?

[Tombstone RJ]

I just don't understand people that would take him at 11 no questions asked, but wouldn't even think about adding a second or third to ensure us being able to pick him.

If a quarterback is worth the 11 pick, he is worth the 6 or 7 pick.

It's as simple as that.

WE AREN'T GONNA WIN SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

that's some fail logic right there. Most peeps here are saying "if Tannehill is sitting there at 11, take him, why not?" That's a lot different than trading up for a guy that is second round talent to begin with.

Luck is a franchise QB, RG3 looks to have a great chance at being a franchise QB. Tannehill, he's truly the wild card of this QB draft class. You cannot say he's a definite franchise QB.

[Titty Meat]

More than half of NFL QBs are over 6'4". In fact, maybe close to 75% of QBs.
Most QBs weigh more than Tannehill. And he's not going to become 6'5", 242 lb. Big Ben big
He ran a 4.58 on his 40. RGIII ran a 4.41. He's fast but he's not freakishly fast, and if he builds out his frame (which he needs to), that's only going to slow him down further.
He was an okay college QB. He had solid supporting talent and put up below average numbers in an offense that was built off of throwing to predetermined reads.
He doesn't have anything close to Cutler arm strength. He doesn't have uncanny accuracy.

He is a pretty athletic QB who can throw the ball on par with average NFL QBs. Like I said, with his skill set, he can't just be good at reading defenses, he has to become exceptional. At least with RGIII, he can get away with it.

There is nothing freakish about him.

He has a nice skill set and could be a franchise QB with improve footwork.

[MahiMike]

Who's the last team to drive 2 first round QBs within a 3-year span?

I dunno. But this is the future.

[Chief Roundup]

There is nothing freakish about him.

Coming out of college there wasn't anything freakish about Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Joe Montana.

There were freakish things about Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Ryan Leaf and so on.

[The Bad Guy]

So basically continue to do what we normally do..

Fair enough...

Why do I want to wade in constant mediocrity for another 5 years to see if Tannehill has anything, which I don't think there's a chance he materializes into a capable NFL QB.

If the Chiefs suck balls next year with Cassel, they are going to have no choice. I don't want the choice to already be made with Tannehill.

[Chief Roundup]

He has a nice skill set and could be a franchise QB with improve footwork.

Which Mayock touched on after his pro day. Mayock talked about how much improvement he could see in Tannehill after being in Chris Weinke's QB camp. Mayock compared his improvement to the improvement that Cam Newton made after going to the same camp the year before.

I want to see how Tannehill looks on Gruden's QB Camp show and see what Gruden says about him.

[Tombstone RJ]

Is Tannehill worth the #11 pick, yes. But only because of his "potential" to develop into a franchise QB. Whatever team takes him cannot throw him to the wolves in the first year and expect results. He's a kid with mega good upside, but he's not ready now.

If kc takes Tannehill at 11 and can sit on him for a few years while Cassel bumblefuks his way around then good for kc.

[O.city]

If we take Tannehill, he needs to sit for a year. Atleast.

[Chief Roundup]

If we take Tannehill, he needs to sit for a year. Atleast.

That is going to happen no matter who we take in either of the next 2 drafts. If we don't have one ready and pushing Cassel by the end of his contract we will sign another cast off, stop gap QB and have another fucking 10 year plan without a franchise QB.

[Epic Fail 007]

That is going to happen no matter who we take in either of the next 2 drafts. If we don't have one ready and pushing Cassel by the end of his contract we will sign another cast off, stop gap QB and have another ****ing 10 year plan without a franchise QB.

You cannot say for sure who will start. Plus this upcoming yr is cassels contract yr.

[Epic Fail 007]

Is Tannehill worth the #11 pick, yes. But only because of his "potential" to develop into a franchise QB. Whatever team takes him cannot throw him to the wolves in the first year and expect results. He's a kid with mega good upside, but he's not ready now.

If kc takes Tannehill at 11 and can sit on him for a few years while Cassel bumblefuks his way around then good for kc.

dude they all have potential nobodys a sure thing

[Chief Roundup]

You cannot say for sure who will start. Plus this upcoming yr is cassels contract yr.

He signed that contract in 2009 it was 6 years. He has 2 more years.

I can say Cassel is our starter with as much confidence as I can say the Colts are drafting Andrew Luck.

[chiefzilla1501]

Coming out of college there wasn't anything freakish about Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Joe Montana.

There were freakish things about Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Ryan Leaf and so on.

Oh give me a break. The 4 guys had considerable college experience and they had very strong demonstrated success in their respective programs, even if it didn't reflect in their draft stock. Ricky Stanzi reminds me a hell of a lot more of those guys than Tannehill does. And no, this is not a pitch for Ricky Stanzi to start.

While you're quick to point out a few QBs who slipped through the cracks, you fail to mention that the majority of very good NFL QBs had a strong college track record and most of them had a very strong skill set.

Like I said, with Tannehill's skill set, he has to be not just good but great at reading defenses. I've seen absolutely zero from him that suggests he can do that and that's going to be an extremely difficult thing to develop.

[Epic Fail 007]

He signed that contract in 2009 it was 6 years. He has 2 more years.

I can say Cassel is our starter with as much confidence as I can say the Colts are drafting Andrew Luck.

Just fuck off you negative fuck seriously

[Brock]

You cannot say for sure who will start. Plus this upcoming yr is cassels contract yr.

LOL the eternal hope of the perpetually stupid.

[Chief Roundup]

Oh give me a break. The 4 guys had considerable college experience and they had very strong demonstrated success in their respective programs, even if it didn't reflect in their draft stock. Ricky Stanzi reminds me a hell of a lot more of those guys than Tannehill does. And no, this is not a pitch for Ricky Stanzi to start.

While you're quick to point out a few QBs who slipped through the cracks, you fail to mention that the majority of very good NFL QBs had a strong college track record and most of them had a very strong skill set.

Like I said, with Tannehill's skill set, he has to be not just good but great at reading defenses. I've seen absolutely zero from him that suggests he can do that and that's going to be an extremely difficult thing to develop.

Your post was basicly saying you want someone that is a feak in one way or another. That was what my response was to. You know freakishly big, fast, strong arm.

[Chief Roundup]

Just **** off you negative **** seriously

What do you think the 3rd, 4th, or 5th ranked QB in next years draft is going to be a day 1 starter?
If you do you need to put down the pipe and back away.

[chiefzilla1501]

If we take Tannehill, he needs to sit for a year. Atleast.

Which again brings me to the important point:
If Tannehill is going to sit another year, then why not just wait until next year to get our guy? Unlike 2012 where you have 2 elite QBs and a bunch of shit, the 2013 class will have considerably better depth. You have three solid first round options in Barkley, Landry Jones, and Tyler Wilson (even though I'm not a Jones fan). You have several first round QBs who could have big senior campaigns and boost their draft stock like Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, or Jordan Rodgers. You have several 2014 QBs who could declare early, like Aaron Murray or Tyler Bray. Even if we trade up, we aren't going to have to give up even close to RGIII value to get a QB who probably grades out as a better prospect than Tannehill.

I would rather give up a bunch of picks to get the right QB than reach for a QB in the first round because he's convenient.

[Deberg_1990]

Oh give me a break. The 4 guys had considerable college experience and they had very strong demonstrated success in their respective programs, even if it didn't reflect in their draft stock. Ricky Stanzi reminds me a hell of a lot more of those guys than Tannehill does. And no, this is not a pitch for Ricky Stanzi to start.

While you're quick to point out a few QBs who slipped through the cracks, you fail to mention that the majority of very good NFL QBs had a strong college track record and most of them had a very strong skill set.

Like I said, with Tannehill's skill set, he has to be not just good but great at reading defenses. I've seen absolutely zero from him that suggests he can do that and that's going to be an extremely difficult thing to develop.


Is there any real evidence that college success translates to NFL success? There have been a ton of great college QBs who busted, and I'm sure several QBs with mediocre success in college who made good Pros. The draft is a crapshoot. Always has been

[BossChief]

that's some fail logic right there. Most peeps here are saying "if Tannehill is sitting there at 11, take him, why not?" That's a lot different than trading up for a guy that is second round talent to begin with.

Luck is a franchise QB, RG3 looks to have a great chance at being a franchise QB. Tannehill, he's truly the wild card of this QB draft class. You cannot say he's a definite franchise QB.

Thinking anybody but the absolutely ELITE prospects are a sure thing is foolish.

Franchise quarterbacks are worth their weight in gold and if Tannehill develops his tools, he can be a franchise quarterback in the mold of a more talented Gannon, but young.

He has a strong arm that the scouts that have seen a lot of it after the Weinke camp cant stop talking about how impressive his velocity is.
He runs a low 4.6 40
His accuracy is pretty good.
His release is damn quick
His ability to throw on the run is as good as about anyones
Has plus vision

Like I said earlier, if a guy is worth the 11 pick...he is worth the 6 or 7 pick for the exact same reasons he is worth the 11 pick.

For us to get a superior prospect to Tannehill next year, we are gonna have to surrender more than just one 1st rounder and Pioli has flat out said he will never trade multiple first round picks to move up for anybody.

If we were picking at 7, would he be worth the pick?

How about 8?

At what point do you guys think he is a good value if you are ok with taking him at 11?

[Bewbies]

Isn't the rate of success of 1st round QB's like 1/3 or 1/4? Late round QB's it's what, 1/50 or 1/100? With odds like that you can see why late round QB's are worth the pick...

[chiefzilla1501]

Your post was basicly saying you want someone that is a feak in one way or another. That was what my response was to. You know freakishly big, fast, strong arm.

No, the point is if you have experience and demonstrated football intelligence, you don't need freakish physical characteristics. If you don't have the experience or football intelligence, you can take a physical freak and develop him upward. While you bring up Jamarcus, you didn't bring up that lots of QBs who fit the Tannehill mold have failed and lots of QBs who fit the Jamarcus mold (Big Ben, Cam Newton, etc...). Bringing up a few examples on each side of the issue doesn't prove a point.

The key point is that because Tannehill doesn't have those raw physical abilities, he has to, has to, has to become an exceptional thinking QB. And that's an enormous leap of faith to believe he's going to get there even though he spent the first few years of his college career running routes and, to boot, has a shorter track record of starting college QB experience than his peers.

[BossChief]

With the quarterbacks we have on the roster right now being so poor, this team can afford to take 3 straight quarterbacks with our top picks and one of them will probably be a guy that can get us to a superbowl.

We aren't winning shit with Cassel.

[chiefzilla1501]

Thinking anybody but the absolutely ELITE prospects are a sure thing is foolish.

Franchise quarterbacks are worth their weight in gold and if Tannehill develops his tools, he can be a franchise quarterback in the mold of a more talented Gannon, but young.

He has a strong arm that the scouts that have seen a lot of it after the Weinke camp cant stop talking about how impressive his velocity is.
He runs a low 4.6 40
His accuracy is pretty good.
His release is damn quick
His ability to throw on the run is as good as about anyones
Has plus vision

Like I said earlier, if a guy is worth the 11 pick...he is worth the 6 or 7 pick for the exact same reasons he is worth the 11 pick.

For us to get a superior prospect to Tannehill next year, we are gonna have to surrender more than just one 1st rounder and Pioli has flat out said he will never trade multiple first round picks to move up for anybody.

If we were picking at 7, would he be worth the pick?

How about 8?

At what point do you guys think he is a good value if you are ok with taking him at 11?

Because you are talking about massive development at the most critical part of the game--reading defenses. It's one thing to put a guy in a very simplistic offense. It's another thing when the guy doesn't even thrive in that simplistic offense. Right now, he sounds dangerously close to a more physically gifted version of Matt Cassel.

[BigMeatballDave]

Just fuck off you negative fuck seriously

How salty are Cassel's nuts?

[Brock]

Brady Quinn had loads of experience in college.

[chiefzilla1501]

Brady Quinn had loads of experience in college.

He also had tremendous accuracy issues, which drove his stock down to anyone who wasn't obsessed about force-fitting him into a top pick because he happened to conveniently be the next best QB available.

[Brock]

He also had tremendous accuracy issues, which drove his stock down to anyone who wasn't obsessed about force-fitting him into a top pick because he happened to conveniently be the next best QB available.

But hey, he can read a defense, right?

[chiefzilla1501]

But hey, he can read a defense, right?

Give me a fucking break.

Neither of them are QBs I was excited about coming into the draft. I don't want a QB who has the physical stuff but significantly lacks experience reading defenses, and I don't want a QB who reads defenses but lacks some significant physical stuff.

[Brock]

Give me a fucking break.

Neither of them are QBs I was excited about coming into the draft. I don't want a QB who has the physical stuff but significantly lacks experience reading defenses, and I don't want a QB who reads defenses but lacks some significant physical stuff.

I'm not too interested in who you are or aren't excited about. I don't have a problem taking a chance on a guy with a high ceiling, and reading defenses is a coached skill, not a physical talent.

[BossChief]

If Tannehill is getting inflated stock due to the lacking options at the position, why isnt anyone else seemingly rising up at the same time?

Answer: lots of good NFL quarterbacks recently have came with "college experience": knocks but had the tools and are some of the better QBs in the league now.

I guess what separates him is the set of NFL tools for the position and his work ethic.

I think its impressive that his stock has gone berserk when he has had a broken foot and hasnt been able to work out till just recently.

He must be knocking his workouts/interviews out of the ballpark.

Not sure Ive seen Mayock want to drop to his knees and suck another mans dick as much as after Tannehills pro day workout.

[KcMizzou]

He also had tremendous accuracy issues, which drove his stock down to anyone who wasn't obsessed about force-fitting him into a top pick because he happened to conveniently be the next best QB available. I read this originally, and thought you were talking about Tannehill. I dearly want a franchise QB. But don't just take one to be to be taking one. Not with a first round pick.

The guy's never seemed all that impressive to me.

[BossChief]

I'm not too interested in who you are or aren't excited about. I don't have a problem taking a chance on a guy with a high ceiling, and reading defenses is a coached skill, not a physical talent.

Exactly.

The only knocks that are on Tannehill are ones that are coachable.

Not just reading defenses.

Will he make mistakes early on?

Of course, all young quarterbacks do.

The thing is, we have a 30 year old quarterback that still makes those rookie mistakes and shows little upside.

Gotta try.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not too interested in who you are or aren't excited about. I don't have a problem taking a chance on a guy with a high ceiling, and reading defenses is a coached skill, not a physical talent.

The inability to read defenses, not physical ability, is one of the biggest reasons QBs fail in the NFL. Which is odd, because you seem to think it's so coachable. Tom Brady doesn't just read defenses, he reads them so quickly that before he snaps the ball, he pretty much knows where he's going. And if it's not there, in a split second he knows to quit on that read and move to his next. He knows when to throw the ball to a back shoulder vs. a front shoulder. He knows when to stare down a safety to open up his receiver. He knows how to audible into a better play. There are a bazillion of these things.

Again, RGIII... doesn't have to be a master at reading defenses. Given Tannehill's skill set, he'll need to be very, very good at it. His ceiling is only as high as his ability to mentally play the game right, and right now, he is at a serious disadvantage.

[Brock]

The inability to read defenses, not physical ability, is one of the biggest reasons QBs fail in the NFL..

I disagree with that. There are some guys who don't try to learn how to do it and they wash out, sure. Most QBs wash out because they can't physically do it.

[Chief Roundup]

I disagree with that. There are some guys who don't try to learn how to do it and they wash out, sure. Most QBs wash out because they can't physically do it.

This is a lot of it. They have to be willing to do the work. Brady's and most of the other top QBs get most of their reads before the snap. Very teachable in the film room.

With the amount of failures vs the amount of QBs drafted that had the talent makes me think it is also about who drafts them. Most of the QBs drafted up there are going to teams that suck. Those teams overall talent level is low and they have a lot of turnover at position coaches, coordinators, head coaches.
Alex Smith is the most current QB that looked like a horrible bust but with the right coach and some consistnacy around him he might actually be something. We will see if he continues to improve under Harbaugh.

[Chiefnj2]

I'm not too interested in who you are or aren't excited about. I don't have a problem taking a chance on a guy with a high ceiling, and reading defenses is a coached skill, not a physical talent.

I disagree. I don't think some players can mentally process the speed of the NFL game. Mirer the old QB bust had an arm that could make NFL throws. It wasn't a rocket, but okay. In games, the kid couldn't throw to the left. He essentially could only play on half the field.

[tredadda]

Exactly.

The only knocks that are on Tannehill are ones that are coachable.

Not just reading defenses.

Will he make mistakes early on?

Of course, all young quarterbacks do.

The thing is, we have a 30 year old quarterback that still makes those rookie mistakes and shows little upside.

Gotta try.

I agree, but I would have sold the farm for a shot at Luck or RGIII. As far as I am concerned there are better prospects next year than Tannehill. If we draft him this year, we will miss our shot at them. I hate the thought of trading up for him. If he falls to #11 you will have to ask why, especially seeing that Cleveland and Miami who both draft ahead of us need a QB as badly as we do. I know there are some who will talk about "next year", but the way I see it is this, if you have a car that does not run very well (Cassel), but will get the job done will you get rid of it for a flashy new car this year (Tannehill) when the models (the projected 2013 class) coming out next year are even better and possibly cost less (assuming we trade up for Tannehill)? I would rather just trade out this year (which I have been advocating for a while) and get a 1st next year and package those two for our QBOTF.

[ct]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Tannehill?

no

I think this is best case scenario for KC honestly. Hold Seattle for ransom, or work the phones w/ NYJ (yes the Jets) and Cleveland.

4th round pick for Seattle to move up 1, but they'd have to really want him
3rd round pick for Jets to move up 5, perhaps another pick later in the draft
2013 1st round pick for Cleveland to move up 11 (might have to throw them back a late-ish round pick this year or mid-ish round next year)

Even Philly has feigned interest from the 15 spot, and w/ two 2nd rounders would probably part w/ their 3rd if they are truly interested.

There are teams interested, I just hope we don't do it. I would take Weeden in the 2nd if he slid, but otherwise I think we're in a spot we need to gear up for 2013. Two 1st next year could serve us very well. [paging mr holmgren]

[suds79]

I disagree with that. There are some guys who don't try to learn how to do it and they wash out, sure. Most QBs wash out because they can't physically do it.

Yeah I remember Mark Schlereth commenting on the radio about all the pub Peyton Manning has always got as being the hardest worker out there. He said the truth of the matter is that everybody is working their tail off. The difference is that they simply don't have the talent he does.

That's why I'm beginning to beat the drum for Brock Osweiler in the 2nd. I think the guy has 1st round talent but will be in there in the 2nd primarily because he's coming out a year before he really should have.

Give me guys with talent 1st.

[patteeu]

Thinking anybody but the absolutely ELITE prospects are a sure thing is foolish.

Franchise quarterbacks are worth their weight in gold and if Tannehill develops his tools, he can be a franchise quarterback in the mold of a more talented Gannon, but young.

He has a strong arm that the scouts that have seen a lot of it after the Weinke camp cant stop talking about how impressive his velocity is.
He runs a low 4.6 40
His accuracy is pretty good.
His release is damn quick
His ability to throw on the run is as good as about anyones
Has plus vision

Like I said earlier, if a guy is worth the 11 pick...he is worth the 6 or 7 pick for the exact same reasons he is worth the 11 pick.

For us to get a superior prospect to Tannehill next year, we are gonna have to surrender more than just one 1st rounder and Pioli has flat out said he will never trade multiple first round picks to move up for anybody.

If we were picking at 7, would he be worth the pick?

How about 8?

At what point do you guys think he is a good value if you are ok with taking him at 11?

I haven't heard everything Pioli has said over the years, but I'd be very surprised if this kind of absolute statement ever passed through his lips.

If Pioli trades up ahead of Miami to get Tannehill, I'll trust his judgement and root for Tannehill to live up to his potential. If the Chiefs stay at 11 and Miami/Mike Sherman passes on Tannehill, there's no way I want anything to do with him. If the Chiefs trade down *significantly* (into the 20s, for example) and Tannehill is still there, I won't be upset if they take a chance on him.

[Chief Roundup]

I haven't heard everything Pioli has said over the years, but I'd be very surprised if this kind of absolute statement ever passed through his lips.

If Pioli trades up ahead of Miami to get Tannehill, I'll trust his judgement and root for Tannehill to live up to his potential. If the Chiefs stay at 11 and Miami/Mike Sherman passes on Tannehill, there's no way I want anything to do with him. If the Chiefs trade down *significantly* (into the 20s, for example) and Tannehill is still there, I won't be upset if they take a chance on him.

Pioli was asked about trading up for RG3. Pioli responded by saying he could not see himself ever giving up multiple high picks for a single player.

[patteeu]

Pioli was asked about trading up for RG3. Pioli responded by saying he could not see himself ever giving up multiple high picks for a single player.

You mean when he said this:

From year to year you have so many needs. To start giving up multiple No. 1 picks, that's a big decision because right now we may say we have needs in these five areas and to sacrifice multiple drafts in the future, I tend to want to be a little more responsible than that.

I didn't come here to win one championship. I didn't come here to get the quick fix, be done and move onto the next job. This is where our family is. This is where I want to spend the rest of my career.

So what I'm gong to do is make prudent decisions to get the best players and get the best team built. Being too short-sighted and trading too many draft picks for any one player....I don't even know who the player is who I'd say I'd give up multiple first round picks based on where we're at.

Because that's not the kind of absolute statement that you guys are suggesting he's made.

[Chief Roundup]

I don't even know who the player is who I'd say I'd give up multiple first round picks based on where we're at.

That is not the one. He knew RG3 was the player in question.

It is when I knew even if we had an extra first rounder in any given season we would not use them to trade up for anyone let alone the most important position on any team.

[boogblaster]

Luck is the only QB in this draft that won't be a bust .... now carry on gents .....

[patteeu]

That is not the one. He knew RG3 was the player in question.

It is when I knew even if we had an extra first rounder in any given season we would not use them to trade up for anyone let alone the most important position on any team.

OK

[BossChief]

Go listen to the interview.

He flat out says "I can't see myself doing that. I'm more responsible than that."

[patteeu]

Go listen to the interview.

He flat out says "I can't see myself doing that. I'm more responsible than that."

He said that in the quote I posted, but he didn't say he wouldn't ever do it. Which interview should I listen to?

[Bewbies]

If you make your decisions based on the Miami Dolphins you are an idiot. Worst run franchise in the NFL right now.

[keg in kc]

Is there any real evidence that college success translates to NFL success? There have been a ton of great college QBs who busted, and I'm sure several QBs with mediocre success in college who made good Pros. The draft is a crapshoot. Always has beenSo then why even make a board. Just take whatever player at whatever spot.

[patteeu]

If you make your decisions based on the Miami Dolphins you are an idiot. Worst run franchise in the NFL right now.

Maybe so, but if you ignore what Tannehill's college coach thinks about him, you're probably an idiot too. It turns out that when the Chiefs (with Charlie Weis on the staff) let Jimmy Clausen go by, it was probably the right move.

[Reerun_KC]

If you make your decisions based on the Miami Dolphins you are an idiot. Worst run franchise in the NFL right now.

We rank right up there with them....

[-King-]

That is not the one. He knew RG3 was the player in question.

It is when I knew even if we had an extra first rounder in any given season we would not use them to trade up for anyone let alone the most important position on any team.

Post it. I'm 100% sure Pioli did not make a definitive statement like that or else that thread would still be on the first page with 4958587 replies.

[-King-]

We rank right up there with them....

Funny how you like using ellipsis' when you know you're making a dumb ass statement.

[BryanBusby]

Maybe so, but if you ignore what Tannehill's college coach thinks about him, you're probably an idiot too. It turns out that when the Chiefs (with Charlie Weis on the staff) let Jimmy Clausen go by, it was probably the right move.

You'd be a bigger idiot to use Mike Sherman when drawing to a conclusion.

[RealSNR]

We rank right up there with them....In recent years? Not even close.

The Brandon Marshall trade was dumb. Both ways. They lost out on two 2nd rounders when they acquired him and made back his value with only two 3rd rounders from the Bears when they dealt him away.

They've drafted like poop. Wasted draft picks on QBs for no reason. From Trent Green to Pat White (drafting a QB for wildcat purposes? You fucking serious?) and even their obsession with finding that one right veteran-- Joey Harrington, Daunte Culpepper, AJ Feeley, etc.

Oh, and let's not forget drafting a very good but not premier LT at #1 overall instead of Matt Ryan. The Dolphins are one of the few franchises who have managed the QB position worse than the Chiefs have.

Maybe the Sparano/Parcells/whatever dumbass who runs it now organization was just really that bad. I don't doubt it. But geez, if I have to pick a team to win a Super Bowl in the next five years and my two choices are Kansas City or Miami? It's Kansas City by far.

[BossChief]

He said that in the quote I posted, but he didn't say he wouldn't ever do it. Which interview should I listen to?

It's the same interview.

He says he can't see himself trading multiple firsts for any player.

It's close to the exert you posted, as far as the timeline of the interview goes.

[keg in kc]

In recent years? Not even close.

The Brandon Marshall trade was dumb. Both ways. They lost out on two 2nd rounders when they acquired him and made back his value with only two 3rd rounders from the Bears when they dealt him away.

They've drafted like poop. Wasted draft picks on QBs for no reason. From Trent Green to Pat White (drafting a QB for wildcat purposes? You ****ing serious?) and even their obsession with finding that one right veteran-- Joey Harrington, Daunte Culpepper, AJ Feeley, etc.

Oh, and let's not forget drafting a very good but not premier LT at #1 overall instead of Matt Ryan. The Dolphins are one of the few franchises who have managed the QB position worse than the Chiefs have.

Maybe the Sparano/Parcells/whatever dumbass who runs it now organization was just really that bad. I don't doubt it. But geez, if I have to pick a team to win a Super Bowl in the next five years and my two choices are Kansas City or Miami? It's Kansas City by far.I really like the way this team is built aside from a couple of key spots. They have more talent and depth here than they've had since I started following the team in 98/99. Unfortunately they have two pretty sizeable holes, one being QB, as mentioned by basically everyone, and the other being NT (which they've managed to do relatively okay without). But, while they haven't made exactly the moves I would have liked, they've certainly put a good roster together aside from that. At least that's what I think.

[Messier]

We rank right up there with them....

No we don't.

[RealSNR]

I really like the way this team is built aside from a couple of key spots. They have more talent and depth here than they've had since I started following the team in 98/99. Unfortunately they have two pretty sizeable holes, one being QB, as mentioned by basically everyone, and the other being NT (which they've managed to do relatively okay without). But, while they haven't made exactly the moves I would have liked, they've certainly put a good roster together aside from that. At least that's what I think.Absolutely. I'm not sure what the hell happened in 2009, but since then the Chiefs have been absolute studs when it comes to the draft. I would gladly take the Chiefs' drafts over any other team's in the league from 2008 and on. I would MAYBE take Green Bay's or the Giants', but we're just getting into subjective shit and preferences at that point.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Just a hunch, but I bet we draft Russell Wilson.

[Deberg_1990]

Absolutely. I'm not sure what the hell happened in 2009, but since then the Chiefs have been absolute studs when it comes to the draft. I would gladly take the Chiefs' drafts over any other team's in the league from 2008 and on. I would MAYBE take Green Bay's or the Giants', but we're just getting into subjective shit and preferences at that point.

I would agree with this. Even TyJack is an ok pick because he's probably a 10 year starter. Not spectacular but steady.

[WhiteWhale]

Absolutely. I'm not sure what the hell happened in 2009, but since then the Chiefs have been absolute studs when it comes to the draft. I would gladly take the Chiefs' drafts over any other team's in the league from 2008 and on. I would MAYBE take Green Bay's or the Giants', but we're just getting into subjective shit and preferences at that point.

Let's just not forget that our director of college scouting (hired in 2008) got a pretty big promotion as GM of the Bears.

How much of a factor was he?

[Chief Roundup]

Post it. I'm 100% sure Pioli did not make a definitive statement like that or else that thread would still be on the first page with 4958587 replies.

It was not in the Jack Harry interview and I am not any good at searching for anything.

[Chiefnj2]

Absolutely. I'm not sure what the hell happened in 2009, but since then the Chiefs have been absolute studs when it comes to the draft. I would gladly take the Chiefs' drafts over any other team's in the league from 2008 and on. I would MAYBE take Green Bay's or the Giants', but we're just getting into subjective shit and preferences at that point.

Without a QB those drafts don't mean much.

Cassel, Palko, Quinn, Stanzi and Gutierrez. Pioli sucks ass with QBs.

[Tombstone RJ]

Thinking anybody but the absolutely ELITE prospects are a sure thing is foolish.

Franchise quarterbacks are worth their weight in gold and if Tannehill develops his tools, he can be a franchise quarterback in the mold of a more talented Gannon, but young.

He has a strong arm that the scouts that have seen a lot of it after the Weinke camp cant stop talking about how impressive his velocity is.
He runs a low 4.6 40
His accuracy is pretty good.
His release is damn quick
His ability to throw on the run is as good as about anyones
Has plus vision

Like I said earlier, if a guy is worth the 11 pick...he is worth the 6 or 7 pick for the exact same reasons he is worth the 11 pick.

For us to get a superior prospect to Tannehill next year, we are gonna have to surrender more than just one 1st rounder and Pioli has flat out said he will never trade multiple first round picks to move up for anybody.

If we were picking at 7, would he be worth the pick?

How about 8?

At what point do you guys think he is a good value if you are ok with taking him at 11?

Tannehill is second round talent. In other words, you have to give him time to develop. No team is going to trade up to pick him so he can sit on the bench for a few seasons, which is exactly what he needs to do.

You keep saying he's worth it. My point is he's a gamble, a wild card. You may gamble and lose big time, especially if you trade up to get him. If kc takes him at 11 because he's there, then that is an ok risk, not a great risk because you are still taking him with your first pick and that pick COULD BE used on another impact player that can come in immediately and help the team win.

Tannehill is second round talent, there's no getting around this. He's got great upside but he needs time. You can't expect kc to trade up for this kid only to have him ride the bench for a few years.

[Brock]

Tannehill is second round talent, there's no getting around this. He's got great upside but he needs time. You can't expect kc to trade up for this kid only to have him ride the bench for a few years.


Of course there's getting around it. It's just an opinion. He's being talked about seriously as a top 10 pick. That isn't just somebody who's being moved up 10 spots higher than normal because of a shortage of QBs.

[MahiMike]

Which again brings me to the important point:
If Tannehill is going to sit another year, then why not just wait until next year to get our guy? Unlike 2012 where you have 2 elite QBs and a bunch of shit, the 2013 class will have considerably better depth. You have three solid first round options in Barkley, Landry Jones, and Tyler Wilson (even though I'm not a Jones fan). You have several first round QBs who could have big senior campaigns and boost their draft stock like Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, or Jordan Rodgers. You have several 2014 QBs who could declare early, like Aaron Murray or Tyler Bray. Even if we trade up, we aren't going to have to give up even close to RGIII value to get a QB who probably grades out as a better prospect than Tannehill.

I would rather give up a bunch of picks to get the right QB than reach for a QB in the first round because he's convenient.

I say we go QB, QB, QB next 3 #1 picks.

[morphius]

Of course there's getting around it. It's just an opinion. He's being talked about seriously as a top 10 pick. That isn't just somebody who's being moved up 10 spots higher than normal because of a shortage of QBs.
Actually it is exactly that and very weak 1st round talent. I believe that he wasn't considered first round talent until late Feb when everyone realized how lame this class and how many qb starved teams there are.

[BossChief]

Tannehill is second round talent. In other words, you have to give him time to develop. No team is going to trade up to pick him so he can sit on the bench for a few seasons, which is exactly what he needs to do.

You keep saying he's worth it. My point is he's a gamble, a wild card. You may gamble and lose big time, especially if you trade up to get him. If kc takes him at 11 because he's there, then that is an ok risk, not a great risk because you are still taking him with your first pick and that pick COULD BE used on another impact player that can come in immediately and help the team win.

Tannehill is second round talent, there's no getting around this. He's got great upside but he needs time. You can't expect kc to trade up for this kid only to have him ride the bench for a few years.


I'm sorry that you can't understand that with the new CBA, it completely changes draft value of quarterbacks and other positions because the financial risk is no longer prohibitive.

As a first round pick, we would get him for 5 years with the option for a sixth.

Who cares if the guy sits for a year or even two when he wouldn't even get 20 million for 5 years?

Let me out it as simple as I can.

We wouldn't be drafting Tannehill for what he can do next year or even the year after....we would be drafting him (like any other move to draft a franchise quarterback PROSPECT) for what he could give the team if he develops his skills.

13 years of Rich Gannon with a stronger arm?

Ill take my chances with a talent like that.

[Marcellus]

Actually it is exactly that and very weak 1st round talent. I believe that he wasn't considered first round talent until late Feb when everyone realized how lame this class and how many qb starved teams there are.

I believe Billick put it perfectly, "Need is a terrible talent evaluator".

[Titty Meat]

I'm sorry that you can't understand that with the new CBA, it completely changes draft value of quarterbacks and other positions because the financial risk is no longer prohibitive.

As a first round pick, we would get him for 5 years with the option for a sixth.

Who cares if the guy sits for a year or even two when he wouldn't even get 20 million for 5 years?

Let me out it as simple as I can.

We wouldn't be drafting Tannehill for what he can do next year or even the year after....we would be drafting him (like any other move to draft a franchise quarterback PROSPECT) for what he could give the team if he develops his skills.

13 years of Rich Gannon with a stronger arm?

Ill take my chances with a talent like that.

Come on man he might suck and that would take away 2 years from Cassel!

[Rausch]

That isn't just somebody who's being moved up 10 spots higher than normal because of a shortage of QBs.

I would argue exactly that.

[MahiMike]

I'm sorry that you can't understand that with the new CBA, it completely changes draft value of quarterbacks and other positions because the financial risk is no longer prohibitive.

As a first round pick, we would get him for 5 years with the option for a sixth.

Who cares if the guy sits for a year or even two when he wouldn't even get 20 million for 5 years?

Let me out it as simple as I can.

We wouldn't be drafting Tannehill for what he can do next year or even the year after....we would be drafting him (like any other move to draft a franchise quarterback PROSPECT) for what he could give the team if he develops his skills.

13 years of Rich Gannon with a stronger arm?

Ill take my chances with a talent like that.

Hey wait a minute! That's my argument! You are right. With the new rookie salary cap, you're going to see 4 or 5 QBs taken in the 1st round now even on teams that don't need one. The disposable contracts are well worth the gamble. It's also why we'll see lotsa trades and why we screwed up by not 'Sucking for Luck'. I say draft Tannehill AND another QB next year in the 1st.

[patteeu]

I'm sorry that you can't understand that with the new CBA, it completely changes draft value of quarterbacks and other positions because the financial risk is no longer prohibitive.

As a first round pick, we would get him for 5 years with the option for a sixth.

Who cares if the guy sits for a year or even two when he wouldn't even get 20 million for 5 years?

Let me out it as simple as I can.

We wouldn't be drafting Tannehill for what he can do next year or even the year after....we would be drafting him (like any other move to draft a franchise quarterback PROSPECT) for what he could give the team if he develops his skills.

13 years of Rich Gannon with a stronger arm?

Ill take my chances with a talent like that.

Rich Gannon didn't really start to blossom until his 10th year and his 3rd team. He didn't really come into his own as a starting QB until he got to his 4th team.

[tredadda]

Of course there's getting around it. It's just an opinion. He's being talked about seriously as a top 10 pick. That isn't just somebody who's being moved up 10 spots higher than normal because of a shortage of QBs.

ROFL This guy wasn't a first round QB when Jones and Barkley were still in the mix. Once they pulled out he suddenly became a first round QB due to the desperation of the teams at the top of the draft for a QB. The 5th best QB "suddenly" became the third best and took the spot that would have gone to either RGIII or Barkley had Barkley declared (the original top 3). He is the finest example of a player whose draft stock is rising due to a lack of quality outside the top 2 talents.

[Brock]

ROFL This guy wasn't a first round QB when Jones and Barkley were still in the mix. Once they pulled out he suddenly became a first round QB due to the desperation of the teams at the top of the draft for a QB. The 5th best QB "suddenly" became the third best and took the spot that would have gone to either RGIII or Barkley had Barkley declared (the original top 3). He is the finest example of a player whose draft stock is rising due to a lack of quality outside the top 2 talents.

I always get a chuckle out of you guys who think you can evaluate a QB. There are risers and sliders in every goddamn draft.

[tredadda]

I always get a chuckle out of you guys who think you can evaluate a QB. There are risers and sliders in every goddamn draft.

And yet you don't? Wow! Just Wow! Find one rating agency or site that had him as a first rounder let alone a Top 10 pick when they thought Jones and Barkley would declare. He rose precisely because they went back to school whether you can accept that fact or not.

[morphius]

You obviously don't remember watching Gannon in MN, dude was awful.took him a nearly 8 years to be worth a darn, but I guess you would be willing to stuckfor 8 years just waiting for him to grow. Wow.

[Brock]

And yet you don't? Wow! Just Wow! Find one rating agency or site that had him as a first rounder let alone a Top 10 pick when they thought Jones and Barkley would declare. He rose precisely because they went back to school whether you can accept that fact or not.

No, I leave those kids of claims for the guys like you who pore over hours of film so you can state your opinion of him on a message board. I don't personally know of any rating agencies, so you've got me there, Coach Lombardi. You're stating an opinion as if it's fact. It isnt.

[Brock]

You obviously don't remember watching Gannon in MN, dude was awful.took him a nearly 8 years to be worth a darn, but I guess you would be willing to stuckfor 8 years just waiting for him to grow. Wow.

If Gannon came out as a rookie in today's league, it wouldn't take him 8 years to figure it out.

[whoman69]

I say we go QB, QB, QB next 3 #1 picks.

You are the poster child for the I Don't Know What the Fuck I'm Talking About Foundation.

[mr. tegu]

You are a fuckin moron. His job was to get good college QBs, not NFL QBs. His evaluation is pretty good.

Cassel was a back-up.

Leinart won a Heisman trophy and 2 national championships.

Sanchez had pretty good numbers while at USC.

Reading comprehension strong with this one it is not. I merely posed a question based on what is known about his QB's performance in the NFL. And good job coming into the thread reading two posts in without even bothering to scroll down further on the same page. Had you done that you would have seen where I said he knows a good college QB but perhaps not one that translates to the NFL. I am merely speculating with what info is available. And since Carrol has already failed in the NFL once that assessment is at least somewhat valid.

[tredadda]

No, I leave those kids of claims for the guys like you who pore over hours of film so you can state your opinion of him on a message board. I don't personally know of any rating agencies, so you've got me there, Coach Lombardi. You're stating an opinion as if it's fact. It isnt.

1. Where did I say that he would not be good based off of my observations? I don't watch film on anyone, but I can look very easily at rating services and see his stock and hype rising in direct proportion to the number of QBs who went back to school.

2. What makes you think I pore over hours of film? What do you base your senseless petty claim off of?

3. You come on here and state your opinion of him yet you don't look at ratings agency, nor watch film, so where do you get your opinion from then since you feel the need to post it Champ? Also I find the irony epic that you state your opinion and someone rebuffs it and instead of actually defending your side you resort to typical vague defensive tactics. THEN you call out my opinion of your........OPINION. Brilliant strategy on your part.

[BossChief]

Truth is, NOBODY knows where Tannehill would have been drafted if Barkley and Jones came out.

NOBODY.

Last year, not many people on here (if any) thought Locker or Ponder were high first round guys leading up to the draft.

Locker went at what? 8

Ponder went at 12

Gabbert at 11

FFS TIM TEBOW WENT IN THE FIRST ROUND.

Some of you guys need to get with the times and realize it's a new league with new rules.

Guys like Tannehill are now top ten picks.

Not just in "quarterback starved drafts"... Which is also a farce.

Not many quarterback classes have three possible franchise level quarterbacks like this class offers.

Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if this Brock O kid makes it into the first round.

[Chief Roundup]

Truth is, NOBODY knows where Tannehill would have been drafted if Barkley and Jones came out.

NOBODY.

Last year, not many people on here (if any) thought Locker or Ponder were high first round guys leading up to the draft.

Locker went at what? 8

Ponder went at 12

Gabbert at 11

FFS TIM TEBOW WENT IN THE FIRST ROUND.

Some of you guys need to get with the times and realize it's a new league with new rules.

Guys like Tannehill are now top ten picks.

Not just in "quarterback starved drafts"... Which is also a farce.

Not many quarterback classes have three possible franchise level quarterbacks like this class offers.

Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if this Brock O kid makes it into the first round.

Speaking the truth around here just gets you flamed. I know you understand this.

[Chiefshrink]

If he falls to 11 and we trade down for interior linemen, so help me....

Something tells me Pioli wants an additional 2nd rd pick.

Just saying

:shrug:

[BossChief]

I don't pretend to know that.

I'm not privy to personal interviews, private workouts, game film of all his games (as well as the other prospects film as well) information gotten from his previous coaches, his grades in school, what he is like in the lockerroom, what he is like in the weight room, how much of his mind is still in the game after a big mistake, hearing his own words saying everything he saw on any given play (and how much he missed), how much of his own time he spends on film study, how his teammates feel about his ability to command his huddle, if he is a grounded kid when he is away from the spotlight or if he will get 20 million bucks and push harder for the next check or slip into the backup BarcaLounger and think he has arrived.

I could go on for an hour listing all the things that we as fans aren't able to see/use when we talk about quarterbacks and who is viewed as a better player/fit for the teams picking.

For those reasons, it's impossible to say if he would have gone before Locker or after Dalton last year and anyone that says otherwise is doing nothing but making their own best educated guess with the information they have at their disposal.

Including myself.

To answer your question though, I think Tannehill would have went around the 13-15th pick. Probably after Ponder but before Tebow.

The kid has the physical tools to be a successful NFL qb, but he will need a coach that believes in him and has the ability to take on a project as well as a GM with the knowhow on how to best build the team around him to put him in the best situation to succeed.

[Chiefshrink]

I don't pretend to know that.

I'm not privy to personal interviews, private workouts, game film of all his games (as well as the other prospects film as well) information gotten from his previous coaches, his grades in school, what he is like in the lockerroom, what he is like in the weight room, how much of his mind is still in the game after a big mistake, hearing his own words saying everything he saw on any given play (and how much he missed), how much of his own time he spends on film study, how his teammates feel about his ability to command his huddle, if he is a grounded kid when he is away from the spotlight or if he will get 20 million bucks and push harder for the next check or slip into the backup BarcaLounger and think he has arrived.

I could go on for an hour listing all the things that we as fans aren't able to see/use when we talk about quarterbacks and who is viewed as a better player/fit for the teams picking.

For those reasons, it's impossible to say if he would have gone before Locker or after Dalton last year and anyone that says otherwise is doing nothing but making their own best educated guess with the information they have at their disposal.

Including myself.

To answer your question though, I think Tannehill would have went around the 13-15th pick. Probably after Ponder but before Tebow.

The kid has the physical tools to be a successful NFL qb, but he will need a coach that believes in him and has the ability to take on a project as well as a GM with the knowhow on how to best build the team around him to put him in the best situation to succeed.

:thumb:

Don't kid yourself either, the success that Newton and Dalton had as rookies make it much easier and justified for other teams to reach for a QB especially as you alluded to earlier in a QBOTF starved league.

[BossChief]

Do you think Andy Dalton would have been worth trading up from 11 for?

Let's say you could go back in time and in the 2005 draft could trade our #15 AND our second rounder to move up to take Aaron Rogers who only had 2 more starts than Tannehill and was a tedford quarterback. You would have to sit Rogers for 3 whole years of development as part of the deal.

Or

You could take a playmaking linebacker that has all pro potential

...

That answer should be easy as 2+2

Especially for Chiefs fans.

Thinking about it, it's a bit eerie we are talking about Tannehill or Kuechly in a lot of these debates.

Similar situation.

Except Kuechlys ceiling is nowhere near DJs.

Kuechly hits like Donnie Edwards while DJ hits like a truck.

[jspchief]

Actually it is exactly that and very weak 1st round talent. I believe that he wasn't considered first round talent until late Feb when everyone realized how lame this class and how many qb starved teams there are.

I started a thread in OCTOBER suggesting Tannehill could be a 1st rnd QB.

[Blick]

I think Tannehill would have gone before Ponder.

I'm still not sure how Ponder went so high. Kid barely cracked 2000 yards passing as a redshirt Senior. His season high as a Junior was still only 2717.

[milkman]

Maybe so, but if you ignore what Tannehill's college coach thinks about him, you're probably an idiot too. It turns out that when the Chiefs (with Charlie Weis on the staff) let Jimmy Clausen go by, it was probably the right move.

Charlie Weis was telling anyone that would listen that he believed Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB.

What your OC thinks has no bearing on what the team's management does in the draft.

You obviously don't remember watching Gannon in MN, dude was awful.took him a nearly 8 years to be worth a darn, but I guess you would be willing to stuckfor 8 years just waiting for him to grow. Wow.

He isn't suggesting that we'd have to wait for 8+ years for Tannehill to develop.

He's suggesting that Tannehill reminds him of a more talented Rich Gannon in his good years.

[patteeu]

Charlie Weis was telling anyone that would listen that he believed Jimmy Clausen was a franchise QB.

Sure he was. And if he actually did say that to someone, there's no reason to believe that it's anything more than a smokescreen or a helping hand offered to the kid so that some other team might draft him.

What your OC thinks has no bearing on what the team's management does in the draft.

That's ridiculous.

[milkman]

Sure he was. And if he actually did say that to someone, there's no reason to believe that it's anything more than a smokescreen or a helping hand offered to the kid so that some other team might draft him.[qoute]

I am not going to go find it for you, but he said it.

Smokescreen, my ass.

Teams are not going to be swayed into drafting a kid just because his former coach says he was good.

They have scouts and film.


[quote]That's ridiculous.

Sure, management will take everything into consideration, including the coordinators and position coaches views, but when it's all said and done, managment has the final say in the process.

Mike Sherman can jump up and down on the table for Tannehil, but he will not have the final word.

[patteeu]

Sure he was. And if he actually did say that to someone, there's no reason to believe that it's anything more than a smokescreen or a helping hand offered to the kid so that some other team might draft him.

I am not going to go find it for you, but he said it.

Smokescreen, my ass.

Teams are not going to be swayed into drafting a kid just because his former coach says he was good.

They have scouts and film.


His public statements, if he ever really made any, are worthless.


Sure, management will take everything into consideration, including the coordinators and position coaches views, but when it's all said and done, managment has the final say in the process.

Mike Sherman can jump up and down on the table for Tannehil, but he will not have the final word.

Duh

[Chiefnj2]

His public statements, if he ever really made any, are worthless.



Correct, but his lack of action in making an offer for Griffin is inexcusable. He can't evaluate QB's.

[milkman]

His public statements, if he ever really made any, are worthless.

No they're not worthless.

Even if it was only to help Jimmy Clausen, he clearly thought enough of Clausen to make that effort, yet you are suggesting that he didn't think enough of him to push for him, even as a second rounder.



Duh

Clearly, you are too stupid to even grasp the concept.

[keg in kc]

Correct, but his lack of action in making an offer for Griffin is inexcusable. He can't evaluate QB's.How do we know they didn't make an offer?

[Chiefnj2]

How do we know they didn't make an offer?

The Rams came out and named the teams that made a final offer when they set their deadline.

[RUSH]

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

ESPN's John Clayton on #Jaguars at 7: "They're hoping Kansas City will trade up (for) Tannehill. ... They want to trade out desperately."

[-King-]

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

ESPN's John Clayton on #Jaguars at 7: "They're hoping Kansas City will trade up (for) Tannehill. ... They want to trade out desperately."

Whoa. So this must mean that KC has made it known that they're willing to trade up.


Either that or I'm reading too much into things lol.

[Titty Meat]

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

ESPN's John Clayton on #Jaguars at 7: "They're hoping Kansas City will trade up (for) Tannehill. ... They want to trade out desperately."

I'd do it.