Pioli Interview with Jack Harry...

[Coogs]

... pretty good stuff. About 20 minutes long...

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/sports/football/chiefs/chiefs-gm-scott-pioli-sits-down-with-jack-harry-to-talk-upcoming-season

[TimeForWasp]

LInk

[ILChief]

Link?

[stonedstooge]

Link?

[Coogs]

It's there now. Sorry.

[ILChief]

http://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/P/the_Legend_of_zelda_Twilight_Princess_Link_costume_ver_01-1-01.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Tied to the Hip LOL

Well done, Jack

[O.city]

Can someone recap? Don't have time to watch the video?

[BigMeatballDave]

Thinks he can win a championship with Matt LMAO

[IratePrimate]

Pioli really seems to be more media friendly as of late.

[RealSNR]

Thinks he can win a championship with Matt LMAONot gonna listen now. That's all I need to know

[Marcellus]

Thinks he can win a championship with Matt LMAO

I know that stuff is is kind of funny but really, what else is the guy supposed to say?

"We have no chance to reach our goal with our QB but come back in 3 years and see who we have at QB."

Lip service.

[Coogs]

Not gonna listen now. That's all I need to know

He talks about Quinn some, and Stanzi quite a bit, and he is not married to Cassel. You might want to listen.

[TimeForWasp]

Very good. You need to watch. I feel good about this.

I feel better about Pioli too.

[BossChief]

Thinks he can win a championship with Matt LMAO

Was he asked the question directly?

I can see him saying that and not really meaning it if put in a bad spot.

BTW...Jack Harry is the ONLY media guy in KC that gets Pioli to say ANYTHING even half way important.

[TimeForWasp]

I think Pioli has got some more tricks up his sleeve.

[Coogs]

Very good. You need to watch. I feel good about this.

I feel better about Pioli too.

Yeah, me too!

[BigMeatballDave]

I feel better about Pioli too.I don't. Cassel is still the QB and he likes him and believes he can win with him.

[TimeForWasp]

He needs to go to Bosley though.

[IratePrimate]

Jack straight up ask him if he is tied to the hip. Scott denies it and says Matt has to play well to keep the job.

[keg in kc]

Pioli really seems to be more media friendly as of late.Have to be when you're losing.

[BigMeatballDave]

Was he asked the question directly?

I can see him saying that and not really meaning it if put in a bad spot.

BTW...Jack Harry is the ONLY media guy in KC that gets Pioli to say ANYTHING even half way important.

Pioli is still slobbering all over Matt's cock.

[TimeForWasp]

With a full head of hair, Pioli could be taken seriously.

[BigMeatballDave]

Scott denies it and says Matt has to play well to keep the job.Complete BS. Why did he keep it for as long as he did last season?

[DeezNutz]

If I didn't know better, it would seem like Stanzi is going to get a legit shot in camp.

[Urc Burry]

I love how Jack doesn't pussy foot around, and just gets to the point

[BigMeatballDave]

and he is not married to CasselYeah, like he's going to admit to that.

[Hammock Parties]

I bet Pioli sweats every time Cassel is brought up.

Then he drives home cursing and slamming his steering wheel.

[stonedstooge]

I bet Pioli sweats every time Cassel is brought up.

Then he drives home cursing and slamming his steering wheel.

ala Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces? One of the best scenes ever

[Hammock Parties]

ala Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces? One of the best scenes ever

More like this:

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[O.city]

Complete BS. Why did he keep it for as long as he did last season?

Who exactly was gonna take it from him?

[O.city]

I'm still of the opinion that Stanzi is the hand picked, future quarterback. He meets every credential that Pioli looks for in a qb.



So everyone better get on board, better or worse.

[Tribal Warfare]

If I didn't know better, it would seem like Stanzi is going to get a legit shot in camp.

Key phrase

[Marcellus]

I'm still of the opinion that Stanzi is the hand picked, future quarterback. He meets every credential that Pioli looks for in a qb.



So everyone better get on board, better or worse.

I just want to know when does this train leave the station?

[KCrockaholic]

Well worth the watch.

[BigMeatballDave]

Who exactly was gonna take it from him?

The Gatorade boy?

[O.city]

I just want to know when does this train leave the station?

Sometime in August or September.



And you can't get off till February.

[Marcellus]

Is Jack Henry actually Clay? I will say he touched on several things Clay does such as DMC etc...

I also wonder if Pioli was talking about CP when he said "that's for people on the internet to talk about" LOL.

[KcMizzou]

That was a great interview. Old Jack's a cantankerous bastard... he asked some tough questions, and Pioli answered them all.

[mlyonsd]

I just want to know when does this train leave the station?When he has a good enough OL in front of him he can have time to make the right decisions and not get killed. Looking at our draft it could be as early as the next time Cassel shits himself or next year.

[Hammock Parties]

Is Jack Henry actually Clay? I will say he touched on several things Clay does such as DMC etc...

I also wonder if Pioli was talking about CP when he said "that's for people on the internet to talk about" LOL.

Jack's an older, bizarro version of Clay.

[O.city]

I would actually gain some respect for Romeo if Stanzi had a better preseason than Cassel and he actually started Stanzi.

[KcMizzou]

Jack Henry might be a bizzaro version of Jack Harry.

[Marcellus]

Jack's an older, bizarro version of Clay.

Jack asked some good questions and Pioli answered them. I give them both props.

But it doesn't matter if we don't win some fucking games, especially playoff games.

I really don't think Pioli is married to Cassel. I think the reason they didn't draft a QB is they like Spicoli more than anybody they could have reasonably drafted this year.

[O.city]

Jack asked some good questions and Pioli answered them. I give them both props.

But it doesn't matter if we don't win some ****ing games, especially playoff games.

I really don't think Pioli is married to Cassel. I think the reason they didn't draft a QB is they like Spicoli more than anybody they could have reasonably drafted this year.

This.



Just win games. Playoff games.


I actually think Stanzi might have a chance this year. Of course this could all be bs speak.

[The Bad Guy]

Jack does the best interviews in KC. Hands down.

[-King-]

Yeah, like he's going to admit to that.

Nice to play both sides of the fence isn't it. Pioli sucks because he said he believes in Cassel. Pioli also sucks because he says he isn't married to Matt Cassel.

You're turning into GoChiefs.

[tk13]

Pioli still looks like a genius if Stanzi turns into a franchise QB, maybe even moreso than if Cassel somehow developed. I've never bought into the idea he's going to protect Cassel for Stanzi. Pioli pretty much handpicked the guy.

[Coogs]

Can someone recap? Don't have time to watch the video?

Looks like you are still around. If you just don't want to watch it, you really don't have too. Just put it on in the background, and listen to it why you stay visiting here.

[TimeForWasp]

Pioli may or may not read CP, but I think Jack does read CP

[O.city]

Looks like you are still around. If you just don't want to watch it, you really don't have too. Just put it on in the background, and listen to it why you stay visiting here.

I've got a final tomorrow so I'm listening to recorded tegrity lectures. Believe me, I'd rather listen to it.

[KCrockaholic]

Pioli may or may not read CP, but I think Jack does read CP

Pioli is a lot more in tune with the fans opinion than he leads on or than we know.

[Rausch]

If I didn't know better, it would seem like Stanzi is going to get a legit shot in camp.

I don't think he's got a lock on this job. I know Romeo doesn't have a problem benching a QB...

[Chief Roundup]

Had offers to trade back. But didn't think they could get Poe there and he just didn't see the value so they picked Poe.

[Coogs]

I've got a final tomorrow so I'm listening to recorded tegrity lectures. Believe me, I'd rather listen to it.

:thumb: Listen to it when you have time then. Pioli even says he is going to be more visible in interviews this season, as he has learned we as fans are demanding that. He really seems to be a different Pioli, and it is worth your time to listen. A readers digest version for you really wouldn't do it justice.

Good luck on your finals.

[BossChief]

I hope my boy has his head stuck in that playbook.

[O.city]

:thumb: Listen to it when you have time then. Pioli even says he is going to be more visible in interviews this season, as he has learned we as fans are demanding that. He really seems to be a different Pioli, and it is worth your time to listen. A readers digest version for you really wouldn't do it justice.

Good luck on your finals.

Thanks dude.



It's like the 11 final of 15. I'm ready for this shit to be over.

[SAUTO]

Pioli still looks like a genius if Stanzi turns into a franchise QB, maybe even moreso than if Cassel somehow developed. I've never bought into the idea he's going to protect Cassel for Stanzi. Pioli pretty much handpicked the guy.
This.




This right here.
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[TEX]

Nice to play both sides of the fence isn't it. Pioli sucks because he said he believes in Cassel. Pioli also sucks because he says he isn't married to Matt Cassel.

You're turning into GoChiefs.

No. Pioli sucks because he sucks.

[-King-]

First 3 parts:

Poe's combine numbers show that he will be able to push the pocket and help the pass rush.

Ricky has the ability, leadership skills and talent to be a starter in the league.

Doesn't get tied to players.

Patriots won because of Matt, not in spite of him in 2008. Matt can win the division and even the championship.

Doesn't worry about whether people think his legacy is tied to Matt. That's for the media/internet to talk about.

[O.city]

I hope my boy has his head stuck in that playbook.

There's gonna be no handling you on here, when Stanzi goes all Brady and brings home a Lombardi is there?

[-King-]

No. Pioli sucks because he sucks.

LMAO

[SAUTO]

I agreethat Pioli sounds like a different guy. Maybe the issues between him and Haley effected everything more than we know
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[Rausch]

There's gonna be no handling you on here, when Stanzi goes all Brady and brings home a Lombardi is there?

That's a good problem to have...

[Rausch]

I agreethat Pioli sounds like a different guy. Maybe the issues between him and Haley affected everything more than we know
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Haley was a quick tempered, self-entitled, egotistical pr1ck that would lose his cool and say the dumbest $3it.

Having a mature individual who isn't insecure as HC would probably put a lot of people in a better mood...

[-King-]

Getting to the playoffs in his 2nd year wasn't good enough. Fans deserve more and it's not just about winning the division. We have to find a way to win a playoff game, win a superbowl.

He said that he was comfortable where he was in NE and was very successful, yet he came here to win a championship and this is the franchise he wanted to do it with. Won't be comfortable if all he can say at the end of his tenure if all he can say is "I left it better than I got it".


Very good answer.

[OnTheWarpath15]

First 3 parts:

Poe's combine numbers show that he will be able to push the pocket and help the pass rush.

Ricky has the ability, leadership skills and talent to be a starter in the league.

Doesn't get tied to players.

Patriots won because of Matt, not in spite of him in 2008. Matt can win the division and even the championship.

Doesn't worry about whether people think his legacy is tied to Matt. That's for the media/internet to talk about.

1.) Holy fuck.

2.) Matt Cassel is a starter. Colt McCoy was a starter.

3.) ROFL

4.) ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

5.) Does he worry about 21 wins in 3 seasons, or is that only a concern of the media/internet?

[Rausch]

5.) Does he worry about 7 wins in 3 seasons, or is that only a concern of the media/internet?

I think he does.

One comes off as less nervous though when you know you'll still have a job after this year no matter the outcome...

[ILChief]

Stanzi time coming!

[-King-]

Stanzi time coming!

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[Rausch]

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In what little I've seen of him he kind of reminds me of Trent Green.

He doesn't have the strongest arm but his ball placement is on the mark...

[O.city]

Stanzi doesn't have a Stafford type arm, not many people on the planet do, but he has a solid arm.


It's good enough. The ball comes off his hand really well.


Thats something I've never liked with Cassel. He has a windup, sloppy footwork, and the ball doesn't come out very well.


But damn, he sure works hard.

[Coogs]

1.) Holy fuck.

2.) Matt Cassel is a starter. Colt McCoy was a starter.

3.) ROFL

4.) ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

5.) Does he worry about 21 wins in 3 seasons, or is that only a concern of the media/internet?

King left a few parts out too. It's really a good interview by both Pioli and Harry. Give it a listen.

[notorious]

What if, really, what if they are getting ready to start Stanzi?


How would that change our opinion on Pioli?

[BryanBusby]

Stanzi is the man

USA USA USA

[dirk digler]

Good interview by Harry. Take note you KC Media pussies.

I will add Pioli looks damn good he has lost a lot of weight. I bet Clay is turned on

[O.city]

If they went into TC with an honest to god open competition and actually gave it to the best guy, I would be really impressed.

[Hammock Parties]

I will add Pioli looks damn good he has lost a lot of weight. I bet Clay is turned on

He'll gain it all back when the stress of the season drives him to thick bowls of pasta drenched in meat sauce.

[notorious]

I will add Pioli looks damn good he has lost a lot of weight.

Stress can do that to a person.

[tredadda]

What if, really, what if they are getting ready to start Stanzi?


How would that change our opinion on Pioli?

It wont as the decision on who starts is not his. If he is giving his input then he is meddling which again he should not be doing as that is not his job.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah, like he's going to admit to that.
he's not going to admit that but you expect him to just come out and say that the Chiefs can't win a super bowl with it's existing QB?


you're a complete tool

[KcMizzou]

If they went into TC with an honest to god open competition and actually gave it to the best guy, I would be really impressed.What if they did, and that guy turned out to be Matt Cassel? Given the options available, I think that's the most likely outcome.

But nobody would ever believe it was "an honest to god open competition"

[O.city]

I'd be fine with that.



If he's the best we got, he needs to play.


I don't think he is, but I'v ebeen wrong before.

[Chief Roundup]

What if they did, and that guy turned out to be Matt Cassel? Given the options available, I think that's the most likely outcome.

But nobody would ever believe it was "an honest to god open competition"

The bolded part is the problem. It puts a cloud around the word competition.

[Fish]

I had a very comfortable position where I was before I came here. I had a very successful....(pause)... I came here to win a championship.

Translation: Jack, I was a fucking pimp before I came to this shit franchise. Why don't you people understand that?

[BossChief]

Bye week

[KcMizzou]

Translation: Jack, I was a ****ing pimp before I came to this shit franchise. Why don't you people understand that?Is that really what you took from that?

[Hammock Parties]

Translation: Jack, I was a fucking pimp before I came to this shit franchise. Why don't you people understand that?

I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS!!!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3RiLn6nvraaSClYv5wzDZnAiz7d85E_VSx84NVjZta57oO0iche5Ehj1q

[Rausch]

Translation: Jack, I was a ****ing pimp before I came to this shit franchise. Why don't you people understand that?

"I came here to win a super bowl. Despite everything I've done in NE the Hoody gets all the credit and if I can turn this $3it stain team into THE team to beat in the NFL I'll finally get the respect I deserve..."

[KcMizzou]

"I came here to win a super bowl. Despite everything I've done in NE the Hoody gets all the credit and if I can turn this $3it stain team into THE team to beat in the NFL I'll finally get the respect I deserve..."Seems closer to the truth, IMO. Don't know if he'll be successful or not, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

[007]

If they went into TC with an honest to god open competition and actually gave it to the best guy, I would be really impressed.

That is all I want them to do at this point. Just make it a open competition.

[BossChief]

"I wouldn't say it's open. I'd say it's matts job and everybody knows it."

Isn't that the direct quote from Pioli?

[BigMeatballDave]

"I wouldn't say it's open. I'd say it's matts job and everybody knows it."

Isn't that the direct quote from Pioli?

I believe so.

If Quinn or Stanzi is to beat out Cassel, its gonna have to be by a wide margin for them to start over Matt.

[Hoover]

I'm glad Pioli is becoming the front man. I think he and Romeo are a perfect fit.

Great interview.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm glad Pioli is becoming the front man. I think he and Romeo are a perfect fit.


There's nothing perfect about a regime that features a short-term head coach.

Shocking how some fans have their heads up Romeo's ass.

This is Dick Vermeil II: Electric Boogaloo, Bizarro Edition.

[BossChief]

Romeo was probably like "if you make me start Cassel after all this, you're taking the questions from the media."

[007]

These are not exact quotes but the best I could remember...

There are a lot of players to make the All American team or All Pro team that don't deserve to be there.

LMAO

Matt Cassel was a legitimate Pro Bowl QB
ROFL

I feel we have the best situation as far as depth at QB
:spock:

There are a lot of great QBs in this division. Thats why we have to have a good defense.
Yep, because we sure aren't scoring any points on offense.

Good interview though. He did answer tough questions.

[Hoover]

I don't have my ass us Romeo's ass.

Is he going to be the HC for 10 years? Nope. But most coaches don't make it three years.

I think its a perfect fit because they are complimentary to each other, while that wasn't the case with Haley.

[007]

Romeo was probably like "if you make me start Cassel after all this, you're taking the questions from the media."

:clap:

[Hammock Parties]

I think its a perfect fit because they are complimentary to each other

They say nice things about each other, eh? That's sweet.

They're good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, they're not gonna win shit.

[aturnis]

If I didn't know better, it would seem like Stanzi is going to get a legit shot in camp.

I disagree. Not in camp, and possibly not this is year. Not unless Cassel sucks it up anyway.

IMO, Brady Quinn wasn't brought in to compete with Cassel, he was brought in to help push Stanzi to his next level, a level where he can compete for the starting position. Remember, they were bringing in QB competition, and we along with the media took that to be competition for Cassel, b/c that's what we all wanted it to mean. I think we were wrong.

I think Stanzi's future is in his hands and depends on his camp battle with Quinn. If he is successful, he'll get first shot if Cassel goes down, and, possibly late in the season if Cassel continues to falter. I don't think we'd go into next season expecting him to be our guy without some on field reassurance to back it up. No matter how much they like him.

I base this off of Crennel getting the final three games of the year to prove himself. They probably wanted him, just needed reassurance.

[aturnis]

:thumb: Listen to it when you have time then. Pioli even says he is going to be more visible in interviews this season, as he has learned we as fans are demanding that. He really seems to be a different Pioli, and it is worth your time to listen. A readers digest version for you really wouldn't do it justice.

Good luck on your finals.

I think Pioli was told by Clark that he had better get visible. It's the way we've always done it, this Patriot way bs ain't cutting it, and we're sick of it. Go take your criticisms like a man!

[Strongside]

Easily the best interview he's done since he's been here.

[Imon Yourside]

Jack's Smack?

[Daru]

"I think Matt is a heck of a quarterback and we can win a championship with Matt"

Oh sheesh this is so dumb I hate him he is so stupid.

[Hoover]

yeah, Pioli should have blasted Cassel in the interview. That would have been productive.

Dude has to produce, its as simple as that. He has preformed mush like Alex Smith did for the 49ers last year, I think all we want is for him to do that again. If he doesn't he's done. Its that simple, but don't expect the GM to blast his QB in an interview before the season starts.

[007]

yeah, Pioli should have blasted Cassel in the interview. That would have been productive.

Dude has to produce, its as simple as that. He has preformed mush like Alex Smith did for the 49ers last year, I think all we want is for him to do that again. If he doesn't he's done. Its that simple, but don't expect the GM to blast his QB in an interview before the season starts.

Welll duh. :p

[Fritz88]

Every day I am more convinced that Haley contributed to most of the failings of the team more so than any other person involved with the team.

[TimeForWasp]

I hope Stanzi has worked out with a trainer and or recievers over the offseason with intentions of doing it NOW!

[DeezNutz]

If Jack would have known the 3-16 stat, I'm sure he would have asked about it. Someone should really email him or send him a tweet.

[TimeForWasp]

This may have more to do with Stanzis attitude than Cassels.

[Coogs]

If Quinn or Stanzi is to beat out Cassel, its gonna have to be by a wide margin for them to start over Matt.

That could happen.

There is no doubt this team can win games with Matt Cassel at QB. We all know that. And we all know how that has to be done. The team must carry him, and he can not make any mistakes to hold the team back. Charlie Weis did a masterful job of pulling that off.

This team can also win games with Tyler Palko at QB using the same damn formula. They proved that in Chicago. I think that was Haley's whole point in sticking with Palko.

Then Orton really outplayed Cassel in his three game stint.

I really think you could make a pretty good case that both Palko and Stanzi outplayed Cassel last pre-season.

It could very well happen again this pre season in the games. And possibly one of those two... if not both could outplay him to the extent Orton did to end the season.

If so, that may force Crennel and Pioli to make the move.

[htismaqe]

Was he asked the question directly?

I can see him saying that and not really meaning it if put in a bad spot.

BTW...Jack Harry is the ONLY media guy in KC that gets Pioli to say ANYTHING even half way important.

I don't know, the guys on the Border Patrol get him to say some important things...like this morning when he said absolutely, unequivocally (he even used those words) that they have not shopped Dwayne Bowe for anything...

[htismaqe]

:thumb: Listen to it when you have time then. Pioli even says he is going to be more visible in interviews this season, as he has learned we as fans are demanding that. He really seems to be a different Pioli, and it is worth your time to listen. A readers digest version for you really wouldn't do it justice.

Good luck on your finals.

I agreethat Pioli sounds like a different guy. Maybe the issues between him and Haley effected everything more than we know
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He's a different Pioli because he used up a bunch of his good will with his boss when he had to fire his HAND-PICKED head coach before year 3 was even over.

[htismaqe]

Haley was a quick tempered, self-entitled, egotistical pr1ck that would lose his cool and say the dumbest $3it.

Having a mature individual who isn't insecure as HC would probably put a lot of people in a better mood...

Having a foot shuffling porter that agrees with everything you do, no matter how dumb the decision, probably makes a person comfortable too...

[htismaqe]

I'm glad Pioli is becoming the front man. I think he and Romeo are a perfect fit.

Great interview.

Kind of like Gunther and Carl were the perfect fit.

Puppet meets master.

[Coogs]

I don't know, the guys on the Border Patrol get him to say some important thinks...like this morning when he said absolutely, unequivocally (he even used those words) that they have not shopped Dwayne Bowe for anything...

That's good to hear!

[htismaqe]

I don't have my ass us Romeo's ass.

Is he going to be the HC for 10 years? Nope. But most coaches don't make it three years.

I think its a perfect fit because they are complimentary to each other, while that wasn't the case with Haley.

Why wasn't it the case with Haley? Who's fault is that?

Haley gets to be the scapegoat for how long before people realize that the dysfunction starts with the guy who hired Haley in the first place?

[htismaqe]

Every day I am more convinced that Haley contributed to most of the failings of the team more so than any other person involved with the team.

That's exactly what Pioli wants you to think. :rolleyes:

[Chiefnj2]

People need a clue. Nobody is beating Cassel out of his starting job. They have a new OC that the entire team has to get used to.

You don't split your snaps 33% between the top 3 guys. You pick your guy, give him the snaps and design the best offense around that QB. If you have a 1st round draft pick QB you can play the "we'll see if he's ready to start" game, but otherwise it's never an open competition. The team has to know who the QB is and who the leader is.

Even Romeo alluded to it when he first took over HC responsibilities last year.

[durtyrute]

Every day I am more convinced that Haley contributed to most of the failings of the team more so than any other person involved with the team.


Let's see, Haley leaves here and gets hired by one of the best organizations in football. Then, when Pioli tries to bring in Peyton, he was told HELL TO THE MUTHAFUCKIN NO without even coming here.

I wonder which of the two Pioli or Haley really had the problem?

[htismaqe]

People need a clue. Nobody is beating Cassel out of his starting job. They have a new OC that the entire team has to get used to.

You don't split your snaps 33% between the top 3 guys. You pick your guy, give him the snaps and design the best offense around that QB. If you have a 1st round draft pick QB you can play the "we'll see if he's ready to start" game, but otherwise it's never an open competition. The team has to know who the QB is and who the leader is.

Even Romeo alluded to it when he first took over HC responsibilities last year.

You're probably right.

I guess it's possible that they brought Quinn in to be the starter but other than that, all signs point to another season with Cassel.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Damn, Parker.

You've stroked a 3-run homer with these last few posts.

[Fish]

I also like the part at the end, where Pioli claims he's a changed man in regards to his public appearances and communication with the fans. He alluded that he kinda underestimated the fans and the information they expect, and promised to get better in that regard.

I don't know what that means....

[Chiefnj2]

I also like the part at the end, where Pioli claims he's a changed man in regards to his public appearances and communication with the fans. He alluded that he kinda underestimated the fans and the information they expect, and promised to get better in that regard.

I don't know what that means....

It means you can't be a smarmy bitch without the rings.

[Coogs]

People need a clue. Nobody is beating Cassel out of his starting job. They have a new OC that the entire team has to get used to.

You don't split your snaps 33% between the top 3 guys. You pick your guy, give him the snaps and design the best offense around that QB. If you have a 1st round draft pick QB you can play the "we'll see if he's ready to start" game, but otherwise it's never an open competition. The team has to know who the QB is and who the leader is.

Even Romeo alluded to it when he first took over HC responsibilities last year.

We all know it is a given Cassel gets the first shot. I don't think it is a given though that he can not lose his hold on that position... unlike his first three years here. It's his job to lose... and Orton has proven that his hold on it could be tenuous at best.

[the Talking Can]

I also like the part at the end, where Pioli claims he's a changed man in regards to his public appearances and communication with the fans. He alluded that he kinda underestimated the fans and the information they expect, and promised to get better in that regard.

I don't know what that means....

it means Clark told him to make nice with the fans

...because while Clark may be a soccer queen even he figured out the fans were fed up with a 'you don't understand the process' arrogance coming from a GM that had produced Haley, Cassel, Palko, and another losing record...

pioli wouldn't be doing this unless under orders...it ain't 'patriot way'

[the Talking Can]

It means you can't be a smarmy bitch without the rings.

that's the more concise version

[htismaqe]

We all know it is a given Cassel gets the first shot. I don't think it is a given though that he can not lose his hold on that position... unlike his first three years here. It's his job to lose... and Orton has proven that his hold on it could be tenuous at best.

Orton didn't really prove anything. They brought him in to perform Matt's role and while the yardage was different, the scoring wasn't.

Orton and Cassel are essentially the same guy.

I think the Chiefs potential interest in Orton was that they could feel safe with him, just like with Matt, but also get some cred with the fans for "trying".

[Chiefnj2]

Orton didn't really prove anything. They brought him in to perform Matt's role and while the yardage was different, the scoring wasn't.

Orton and Cassel are essentially the same guy.

I think the Chiefs potential interest in Orton was that they could feel safe with him, just like with Matt, but also get some cred with the fans for "trying".

People see what they want to see with QBs. It was funny when someone reposted all of our impressions of Cassel in his first or second preseason game. Clay and others were going on about how he was making plays with his feet, looking down field, making accurate throws, looking off safeties, etc.

Orton came in and he did move the chains and things seemed to run better. That could be because of Orton, or it could be because Haley was gone and things flowed smoother without a third wheel involved in playcalling. But, like you said at the end of the day the points were abysmal and decreased in half every single week with Orton. Things really weren't better.

[Coogs]

Orton didn't really prove anything.

I disagree. And I have stated many times why. And against the Raiders, Bowe dropped a TD and Succop had 2 blocked... that's 13 more points that shoulda/coulda went on the board.

If you couldn't see any difference between the two, then we will just have to agree to disagree. And I am not saying Orton was the second comming either.

Denver there was no real reason to try something stupid after taking a 7 point lead... and yes Succop missed a FG there too. Not with Bowe out, poor field position, and Tebow at the helm of the opponents offense.

[htismaqe]

I disagree. And I have stated many times why. And against the Raiders, Bowe dropped a TD and Succop had 2 blocked... that's 13 more points that shoulda/coulda went on the board.

If you couldn't see any difference between the two, then we will just have to agree to disagree. And I am not saying Orton was the second comming either.

Denver there was no real reason to try something stupid after taking a 7 point lead... and yes Succop missed a FG there too. Not with Bowe out, poor field position, and Tebow at the helm of the opponents offense.

I didn't say I couldn't see a difference between the two.

There's a difference between dog shit and cat shit too but both still stink at the end of the day.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Pioli still looks like a genius if Stanzi turns into a franchise QB, maybe even moreso than if Cassel somehow developed. I've never bought into the idea he's going to protect Cassel for Stanzi. Pioli pretty much handpicked the guy.

Smart man.

[Hammock Parties]

I guess it's possible that they brought Quinn in to be the starter.

I think that would be awesome. It would solidify Pioli's position as the worst GM in football history.

[Extra Point]

If I didn't know better, it would seem like Stanzi is going to get a legit shot in camp.

You do know better. Believe, believe!

[Hammock Parties]

But, like you said at the end of the day the points were abysmal and decreased in half every single week with Orton. Things really weren't better.

:facepalm:

WERE WE WINNING GAMES?

Then yes, things WERE better.

And Orton had barely been in Kansas City what, a month? Less than that?

Hardly any time taking reps with the first team and he was out there slinging 300-yard games.

You can't tell me that the offense converting third downs and moving the ball more and keeping the defense off the field didn't contribute to winning.

I think we would have beaten Miami and Denver at Arrowhead earlier in the year with Orton.

[BossChief]

I think that would be awesome. It would solidify Pioli's position as the worst GM in football history.

Epic fail

[htismaqe]

:facepalm:

WERE WE WINNING GAMES?

Then yes, things WERE better.

And Orton had barely been in Kansas City what, a month? Less than that?

Hardly any time taking reps with the first team and he was out there slinging 300-yard games.

You can't tell me that the offense converting third downs and moving the ball more and keeping the defense off the field didn't contribute to winning.

I think we would have beaten Miami and Denver at Arrowhead earlier in the year with Orton.

They BARELY beat Denver and managed to score all of 19 points against one of the worst defenses in the league.

You're wasting a lot of effort trying to polish a gigantic turd.

[BossChief]

Stanzi > Orton

[J Diddy]

:facepalm:

WERE WE WINNING GAMES?

Then yes, things WERE better.

And Orton had barely been in Kansas City what, a month? Less than that?

Hardly any time taking reps with the first team and he was out there slinging 300-yard games.

You can't tell me that the offense converting third downs and moving the ball more and keeping the defense off the field didn't contribute to winning.

I think we would have beaten Miami and Denver at Arrowhead earlier in the year with Orton.

Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, part of Orton's success was due to Haley being gone?

[Coogs]

There's a difference between dog shit and cat shit too but both still stink at the end of the day.

Again, I didn't say Orton is a HOF candidate. But he clearly did things better than Cassel. Biggest was probably diagnosing a defense. 1 sack in 3 games... while still throwing for 300 yards twice... as opposed to taking sacks or chucking into the cheap seats and throwing for 96 yards.

[TRR]

People need a clue. Nobody is beating Cassel out of his starting job. They have a new OC that the entire team has to get used to.

You don't split your snaps 33% between the top 3 guys. You pick your guy, give him the snaps and design the best offense around that QB. If you have a 1st round draft pick QB you can play the "we'll see if he's ready to start" game, but otherwise it's never an open competition. The team has to know who the QB is and who the leader is.

Even Romeo alluded to it when he first took over HC responsibilities last year.

My opinion is that Cassel may struggle out of the gate learning Dabol's system when Brady Quinn already knows it and is familiar with it. If Cassel struggles early and Quinn looks sharp already knowing the system, you may see a change...MAY. Obviously Romeo is also comfortable with Quinn as well.

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[morphius]

They BARELY beat Denver and managed to score all of 19 points against one of the worst defenses in the league.

You're wasting a lot of effort trying to polish a gigantic turd.
Really the only difference I saw with Orton was less 3 and outs. In the red zone that guy was generally just embarrassing.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

:facepalm:

WERE WE WINNING GAMES?

Then yes, things WERE better.

And Orton had barely been in Kansas City what, a month? Less than that?

Hardly any time taking reps with the first team and he was out there slinging 300-yard games.

You can't tell me that the offense converting third downs and moving the ball more and keeping the defense off the field didn't contribute to winning.

I think we would have beaten Miami and Denver at Arrowhead earlier in the year with Orton.

The offense was much crisper with Orton. Only a buffoon would argue otherwise.

[Chiefnj2]

The offense was much crisper with Orton. Only a buffoon would argue otherwise.

The offense was much crisper without Haley.

[Hammock Parties]

Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, part of Orton's success was due to Haley being gone?

No.

Josh McDaniels is a winner, and he knows how to pick 'em.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0601/nfl_a_mcdaniels_orton_576.jpg

[Coogs]

The offense was much crisper without Haley.

We will see. I'm not convinced Cassel is magically going to have pocket presence under Crennel. I could be wrong, but don't think I am. Palko showed much better pocket awareness... he just couldn't make the plays at that level, and that was under Haley.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The offense was much crisper without Haley.

Possible I guess. We've had bad QB's in the past, but have never been blowy u to bits as much as the Haley era. Embarrasing amount of home defeats and demolishings under that boob.

[Chiefnj2]

We will see. I'm not convinced Cassel is magically going to have pocket presence under Crennel. I could be wrong, but don't think I am. Palko showed much better pocket awareness... he just couldn't make the plays at that level, and that was under Haley.

Jumping jesus, nobody is defending Cassel. When someone says Orton wasn't a big step up from Cassel because he sucked in the red zone and couldn't generate points, that's just a comment on Orton and not an endorsement of Cassel. They are both, at best, average NFL QB's who don't have what it takes to bring a team to the Super Bowl.

[Coogs]

Jumping jesus, nobody is defending Cassel. When someone says Orton wasn't a big step up from Cassel because he sucked in the red zone and couldn't generate points, that's just a comment on Orton and not an endorsement of Cassel. They are both, at best, average NFL QB's who don't have what it takes to bring a team to the Super Bowl.

I've stated it before, and I'll state it again. Play calling in the Red Zone for Orton was pretty shaky. Bowe dropped an easy TD... INT on next play. McClain dropped one... would have been a tough catch, but should have been made none the less. And some questionable running plays bogged things down.

All this while Orton was learning new teammates and on his eleventy billionth new OC in a short time (I know you understand how that hinders a QB).

Not saying Orton over his career doesn't have a history of Red Zone failures. Just don't think it is/was all on him here.

[htismaqe]

Again, I didn't say Orton is a HOF candidate. But he clearly did things better than Cassel. Biggest was probably diagnosing a defense. 1 sack in 3 games... while still throwing for 300 yards twice... as opposed to taking sacks or chucking into the cheap seats and throwing for 96 yards.

Yet they averaged less than 20 points per game and barely beat the Tebow-led Broncos.

[htismaqe]

Really the only difference I saw with Orton was less 3 and outs. In the red zone that guy was generally just embarrassing.

Exactly.

[htismaqe]

I've stated it before, and I'll state it again. Play calling in the Red Zone for Orton was pretty shaky. Bowe dropped an easy TD... INT on next play. McClain dropped one... would have been a tough catch, but should have been made none the less. And some questionable running plays bogged things down.

All this while Orton was learning new teammates and on his eleventy billionth new OC in a short time (I know you understand how that hinders a QB).

Not saying Orton over his career doesn't have a history of Red Zone failures. Just don't think it is/was all on him here.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...

You have ABC (Anybody But Cassel) disease my friend...

[Coogs]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...


Yes and no. He did throw the Int. AFTER Bowe dropped the TD. The Int is on Orton. But if Bowe makes the catch... chemisty not all there yet?... there is no Int.

And situations in Chicago, Denver, and KC are not the same. So it is hard to say if changes in locations vs red zone performance could be different... or are always going to be the same.

And yes I am ready for a change at QB. We know what status quo brings.

[whoman69]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...

You have ABC (Anybody But Cassel) disease my friend...

Anybody who saw the INT in the end zone in the Raiders game when Baldwin had broken coverage can see he's not smooth in the red zone. That said, its an upgrade, albeit a small one, from Cassel.

[mikey23545]

Yet they averaged less than 20 points per game and barely beat the Tebow-led Broncos.

Yeah, you can ask the Steelers about barely beating the Tebow-led Broncos.

[RealSNR]

Yeah, you can ask the Steelers about barely beating the Tebow-led Broncos.Can we ask them about their shitty secondary, brilliant (yet old and stubborn) defensive coordinator, and their wounded mammoth QB protected by a shitty offensive line against a defense with two very good sack artists?

[BossChief]

That's exactly what Pioli wants you to think. :rolleyes:

All of this change is coming from the new pr director.

[htismaqe]

All of this change is coming from the new pr director.

Wouldn't surprise me. Gotta put fresh lipstick on this stinking pig...

[kcbubb]

Jack asked some good questions and Pioli answered them. I give them both props.

But it doesn't matter if we don't win some ****ing games, especially playoff games.

I really don't think Pioli is married to Cassel. I think the reason they didn't draft a QB is they like Spicoli more than anybody they could have reasonably drafted this year.




This.

Just win games. Playoff games.

I actually think Stanzi might have a chance this year. Of course this could all be bs speak.

No way this is going to happen. I hate to say this, but Denver is going to win the division and we won't get the wild card. No way.

[scho63]

I liked the questions Jack Harry asked and he made Pioli squirm when he asked if he was "tied to the hip" with Cassel. Pioli stumbled and bumbled for an answer....

[Tribal Warfare]

I liked the questions Jack Harry asked and he made Pioli squirm when he asked if he was "tied to the hip" with Cassel. Pioli stumbled and bumbled for an answer....

It seemed like he was asking questions printed from ChiefsPlanet.

[htismaqe]

I think Keitzman posts here.

You should hear him right now, talking about how the Chiefs are scared to draft a 1st round QB because it's too risky.

"They won't even try!"

[scho63]

It seemed like he was asking questions printed from ChiefsPlanet.

He sure did ask a lot of the same questions CP'ers do. Great minds think alike!

[MMXcalibur]

Regardless of whether we like the answers or not, props to Pioli for opening up and asking these types of questions.

[-King-]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You openly admitted he has a career history of red zone failure. But yet magically, somehow his failings in KC, and JUST KC, aren't his...

You have ABC (Anybody But Cassel) disease my friend...

A lot of people on this board have that.

[Fish]

I think Keitzman posts here.

You should hear him right now, talking about how the Chiefs are scared to draft a 1st round QB because it's too risky.

"They won't even try!"

Wouldn't surprise me. Listening to him as long as I have, it's clear that he's not great at doing his own thinking..

[007]

I think Keitzman posts here.

You should hear him right now, talking about how the Chiefs are scared to draft a 1st round QB because it's too risky.

"They won't even try!"

Lord knows he doesn't have any thoughts of his own. Say it here, comes out there.

[Titty Meat]

Ok i'll come forward.... Keitzman is my uncle but please don't call up his show mentioning the board.

[RealSNR]

No way this is going to happen. I hate to say this, but Denver is going to win the division and we won't get the wild card. No way.We're not playing in the goddamn AFC North or NFC North. Denver has a long ways to go before Manning's offense gets fully implemented with the team. The division is up for grabs for any team.

[aturnis]

Wouldn't surprise me. Listening to him as long as I have, it's clear that he's not great at doing his own thinking..

You listen to this hack? I listened today for some strange reason, and he is a walk job! I thought he was going to break down in tears. "They won't even try!".

Then he bags on Stanzi and his "bird arms". Bet he'd rather have Gabbert! Which QB in the 2nd round on is better than Stanzi? Honestly.

The way Pioli and especially Crennel have talked about Stanzi, it makes me think that not only is he getting it done on the field, but wowing them in the classroom as well.

[Titty Meat]

You listen to this hack? I listened today for some strange reason, and he is a walk job! I thought he was going to break down in tears. "They won't even try!".

Then he bags on Stanzi and his "bird arms". Bet he'd rather have Gabbert! Which QB in the 2nd round on is better than Stanzi? Honestly.

The way Pioli and especially Crennel have talked about Stanzi, it makes me think that not only is he getting it done on the field, but wowing them in the classroom as well.

Andy Dalton?

[RealSNR]

Andy Dalton?2nd round AND on? :shrug:

I think that leaves only Ryan Mallett doesn't it? Dalton and Kaepernick were 2nd rounders, then you had Mallett. I think Stanzi was the next QB taken.

[Hammock Parties]

We're not playing in the goddamn AFC North or NFC North. Denver has a long ways to go before Manning's offense gets fully implemented with the team. The division is up for grabs for any team.

But not the team with the worst QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Is your lil sister now legal?

Only for 9 years, brother. ROFL

Feel free to hit it, she needs a man.

[Titty Meat]

2nd round AND on? :shrug:

I think that leaves only Ryan Mallett doesn't it? Dalton and Kaepernick were 2nd rounders, then you had Mallett. I think Stanzi was the next QB taken.

TJ Yates

[aturnis]

Andy Dalton?

I'm talking this year's draft...

[htismaqe]

You listen to this hack?

I listen on the Internet. There really isn't any other place to get Chiefs and Royals talk...

[aturnis]

I listen on the Internet. There really isn't any other place to get Chiefs and Royals talk...

Nick Wright is much better in the same time slot. He might be cocky, or whatever, but he is nowhere near as idiotic as the rest of these guys. Petro thinking Jeff Allen was drafted to replace "Pioli's mistake Asamoah". To Kietzman going apeshit about the Chiefs not retaining Orton, and passing on weak QB's in this draft. To the point where he took it out on Jack Harry, and in my opinion, owes him an apology.

[morphius]

Nick Wright is much better in the same time slot. He might be cocky, or whatever, but he is nowhere near as idiotic as the rest of these guys. Petro thinking Jeff Allen was drafted to replace "Pioli's mistake Asamoah". To Kietzman going apeshit about the Chiefs not retaining Orton, and passing on weak QB's in this draft. To the point where he took it out on Jack Harry, and in my opinion, owes him an apology.
Oh, they probably laughed it off on a golf course afterwards.

[Dayze]

Oh, they probably laughed it off on a golf course afterwards.

Apparently there's a place called "smoke and fire". They sell grills and smoking equipment etc.

[Coogs]

A lot of people on this board have that.

Beats the hell out of the NBC (Nobody but Cassel) folks that seem to think Quinn or Stanzi couldn't do better.

[kcbubb]

We're not playing in the goddamn AFC North or NFC North. Denver has a long ways to go before Manning's offense gets fully implemented with the team. The division is up for grabs for any team.

Didn't Denver beat us with just a few passing completions last year. They have a great d. Add manning to a good rush offense and good receivers. And some how they don't improve.

But we improve more than them with the addition Poe? I know we are getting some guys back from injury, but really? We could easily be 1-5 going into the by week.

[-King-]

Didn't Denver beat us with just a few passing completions last year. They have a great d. Add manning to a good rush offense and good receivers. And some how they don't improve.

Palko.

[kcbubb]

Palko.

Tebow

[-King-]

Tebow

Tebow has nothing to do with this. The defense did their job on him. Palko is the one who couldn't move the ball 2 inches.

[aturnis]

Didn't Denver beat us with just a few passing completions last year. They have a great d. Add manning to a good rush offense and good receivers. And some how they don't improve.

You really think they have a great run offense? Or do you think it was a product of running the ball 80% of the time on a triple option when nobody knows who's getting the ball whatsoever? Without Tebow and in a traditional offense, their rushing offense is below average.

Not to mention they don't have a great defense. They did play well last year, but the offense ran out the clock too, so they didn't need to be out there near as much as KC's defense, which is better than theirs.

Their entire team will be affected by the loss of Tebow and that offense, just as our entire team will be affected by the return of Jamaal Charles.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Didn't Denver beat us with just a few passing completions last year. They have a great d. Add manning to a good rush offense and good receivers. And some how they don't improve.

But we improve more than them with the addition Poe? I know we are getting some guys back from injury, but really? We could easily be 1-5 going into the by week.

A healthy Charles is worth 7 points a game to this offense and going from Soggy/McGraw to Berry is a *no word big enough* ugprade on D.

Denver's D is trash. They were raped by every team with a decent offense.

[htismaqe]

Nick Wright is much better in the same time slot. He might be cocky, or whatever, but he is nowhere near as idiotic as the rest of these guys. Petro thinking Jeff Allen was drafted to replace "Pioli's mistake Asamoah". To Kietzman going apeshit about the Chiefs not retaining Orton, and passing on weak QB's in this draft. To the point where he took it out on Jack Harry, and in my opinion, owes him an apology.

I can't listen to Wright. Maybe I'm getting an old but he just sounds like a poser.

As for KK and Jack Harry, they do it all the time. It's part of the "show". They probably played golf this morning.

[Fish]

You listen to this hack? I listened today for some strange reason, and he is a walk job! I thought he was going to break down in tears. "They won't even try!".

Then he bags on Stanzi and his "bird arms". Bet he'd rather have Gabbert! Which QB in the 2nd round on is better than Stanzi? Honestly.

The way Pioli and especially Crennel have talked about Stanzi, it makes me think that not only is he getting it done on the field, but wowing them in the classroom as well.

I listen in spite of KK, certainly not because of him. Sadly, it's the best source of KC sports news for me. And as htis pointed out, Nick Wright is a punk Jim Rome wannabe who would rather create his own drama than report actual facts. He's more interested in creating a story than reporting on one.

KK is a self-exciting egotistical boob, and he gets on my nerves a lot. But it's the best of the bad. He's much better at talking than thinking. But because of that, he clowns himself pretty often, which is always a highlight.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

[QUOTE=Satanic Goat;8586541]More like this:



LMAO

Surely Pioli is not retarded enough to still believe in Shat Crapple. He may say so, but I often tell people that they are "outstanding" even when they truly suck. Does that make it true? No.

[whoman69]

Tebow has nothing to do with this. The defense did their job on him. Palko is the one who couldn't move the ball 2 inches.

Palko only played the last series, which was actually the only time we moved the ball all game.