Kansas City Royals @ Pittsburgh Pirates Game Thread (6/8)

[alnorth]

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<tr><td>Final</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> R </td><td> H </td><td> E </td></tr>
<tr> <td> KC (24-32) </td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 1 </td></tr>
<tr> <td> PIT (30-27) </td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> X </td><td> 4 </td><td> 10 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
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Loss, (3-7) Luke Hochevar 6IP 4R 4ER 1BB 3K
Tim Collins 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Louis Coleman 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.

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Win, (4-6) Eric Bedard 7IP 2R 2ER 3BB 5K
Hold, (15) Jason Grilli 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Save, (16) Joel Hanrahan 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

none

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alex Gordon, LF
2. Yuniesky Betancourt, 2B
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Mike Moustakas, 3B
5. Jeff Francoeur, CF
6. Eric Hosmer, RF
7. Alcides Escobar, SS
8. Humberto Quintero, C
8. Clint Robinson, ph
Major League Debut
9. Luke Hochevar, P
9. Johnny Giavotella, ph
9. Tim Collins, P
9. Louis Coleman, P

PIT

1. Alex Presley, LF
2. Neil Walker, 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
4. Garrett Jones, 1B
4. Casey McGehee, 1B
5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
6. Jose Tabata, RF
7. Rod Barajas, C
8. Clint Barmes, SS
9. Eric Bedard, P
9. Josh Harrison, ph
9. Jason Grilli, P
9. Joel Hanrahan, P

[DeezNutz]

Kyle Davies on the bump for KC. An historically bad offense knocked him around last time out, but he could fair better against the NL.

[HemiEd]

Go Royals, they still have a chance to win a 100 games.

[mr. tegu]

We got this.

[gblowfish]

The Pirates have a winning record? Wow!

[Bowser]

Hosmer in right field. IN YOUR FACE WILL MYERS

[alnorth]

That pitcher whose name can't be spoken, but rhymes with "Hochevar" got a dreaded vote of confidence today from Yost.

[DeezNutz]

That pitcher whose name can't be spoken, but rhymes with "Hochevar" got a dreaded vote of confidence today from Yost.

DFA that bitch and don't think twice.

[mikey23545]

Go Royals, they still have a chance to win a 100 games.

Hell, they still have a chance to win 131 games.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The Pirates have a winning record? Wow!

Thier Time

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

I'm a life long Pirates fan, we have suffered the same fate as the Royals for a long long time. Hopefully we beat up on Hochevar.

[cabletech94]

alnorth with the good juju!

let's go royals, let's go!!!! stomp some pie-RAT-ass!!!!

[stonedstooge]

Hosmer in right, Frenchy in center and Country Buffet at first. Hope the defense doesn't cost us the game

[alnorth]

Hosmer in right, Frenchy in center and Country Buffet at first. Hope the defense doesn't cost us the game

Considering our pitcher, we need the runs.

[Demonpenz]

Dyson sucked in center, don't let the fact that he looks like he would be good in center fool you.

[stonedstooge]

Considering our pitcher, we need the runs.

It would be nice if the Royals would start scoring some runs. Not sure how having only 8 hitters will translate tonight.

[alnorth]

Top 1st

Gordon strikes out (swinging)
Betancourt strikes out (swinging)
Butler walks
Moustakas pops out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 1st

Presley strikes out (looking)
Walker singles to right
McCutchen grounds out to third, Walker to second
Jones doubles to right, Walker scores
Alvarez walks
Tabata grounds out to pitcher

1 run, 2 hits

[alnorth]

It would be nice if the Royals would start scoring some runs. Not sure how having only 8 hitters will translate tonight.

Wont take much. The Pirates have, by far, the worst offense in all of baseball. However, their pitching has been awesome this year, which is why they are over .500

[stonedstooge]

Wont take much. The Pirates have, by far, the worst offense in all of baseball. However, their pitching has been awesome this year, which is why they are over .500

Small ball night, huh?

[petegz28]

Yuni gets another shot to make an error tonight

[alnorth]

Small ball night, huh?

hey, if we lose, it'll be over quick

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Why would they hit a turd like that 2nd?

[SPchief]

Good AB Billy

[SPchief]

Why would they hit a turd like that 2nd?

He drew the 2 ball in Neds Lineup Lottery

[alnorth]

If you are hoping we take tons of pitches and get Bedard out of the game, dont bother pinning your hopes on that. Pittsburgh's bullpen is wicked-good

[stonedstooge]

No Hud tonight. Already a win

[alnorth]

McCutchen is OPSing .952, he's the only good hitter they have.

Jones is at .736, everyone else is WAY below .750. This lineup is hilariously bad.

edit: Alvarez is a classic all-or-nothing slugger. 8 HR, but .200 AVG. 13 walks, 61 K's

[Bambi]

wonder if a real right fielder coulda got to that

[alnorth]

wonder if a real right fielder coulda got to that

It was a liner that hit the top of the wall. I really doubt it.

[AndChiefs]

Hochevar you loser.

[alnorth]

Top 2nd

Francoeur grounds out to shortstop
Hosmer walks
Escobar strikes out (swinging)
Quintero pops out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 2nd

Barajas singles to right, Barajas to second on an Error by RF
Barmes singles to center, Barajas scores, Barmes to second on the throw home
Bedard sacrifices (bunt) to pitcher, Barmes to third
Presley grounds out to first
Walker singles to right, Barmes scores
Walker steals second
McCutchen flies out to left

2 runs, 3 hits, 1 error

[SPchief]

wonder if a real right fielder coulda got to that

I'm guessing you didn't see the play, Ricky Henderson in his prime couldn't have gotten to that.

[SPchief]

Good AB by Hosmer

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Pirates are struggling at the plate. I was hoping they could have gotten to Luke for 3 or 4 runs.

[stonedstooge]

Pirates are struggling at the plate. I was hoping they could have gotten to Luke for 3 or 4 runs.

Patience

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

McCutchen is OPSing .952, he's the only good hitter they have.

Jones is at .736, everyone else is WAY below .750. This lineup is hilariously bad.

edit: Alvarez is a classic all-or-nothing slugger. 8 HR, but .200 AVG. 13 walks, 61 K's

We are facing a pitcher that gave up a boatload of runs to an even worse hitting team in the A's. Hopefully he will be our (the Pirates) remedy.

[SPchief]

Pirates are struggling at the plate. I was hoping they could have gotten to Luke for 3 or 4 runs.

Give it a few innings.

[alnorth]

We are facing a pitcher that gave up a boatload of runs to an even worse hitting team in the A's. Hopefully he will be our (the Pirates) remedy.

I'm going by Runs Scored. The Pirates have everyone beat by a mile on offensive ineptitude.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

I'm going by Runs Scored. The Pirates have everyone beat by a mile on offensive ineptitude.

Ohh I know. The offense is difficult to watch.

[stonedstooge]

There's 1 error

[Shogun]

lol the OF isnt hosmers spot

[alnorth]

That was an experience-induced error. A more experienced outfielder woulda conceded the single and played it on the hop

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Wow.

[stonedstooge]

Quintero fucks up again

[SPchief]

Did he not tag him?

[KCUnited]

We got our clown pants on.

[stonedstooge]

Did he not tag him?

Apparently he couldn't bend over

[alnorth]

Did he not tag him?

He didn't argue, so he must have missed him

[petegz28]

Funny, that happens to us and we're out

[AndChiefs]

Wow quintero

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

He didn't argue, so he must have missed him

He missed him. Slow ass Rod Barajas

[petegz28]

Hoch wil give up 5 or 6 before he is pulled

[Shogun]

Hoch wil give up 5 or 6 before he is pulled

thats just a night in the life of Luke Hochever. #YOLO

[alnorth]

Hoch wil give up 5 or 6 before he is pulled

probably only 3 with that offense.

However, considering their pitching, it'll feel like 5 or 6 runs

[Shogun]

yuniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[SPchief]

Yuni

[Shogun]

lol

[stonedstooge]

Hoch trying to get his 100 pitches over in 4 innings

[alnorth]

That last hit just made the error irrelevant. (statistically) All runs are earned

[BigCatDaddy]

Sorry if repost but put his fucking ass on waivers and be done with it. I'd rather watch Verdugo pitch then this worthless piece of shit. I'm done with this game so night all!

[petegz28]

WTF do we play Yuni? Seriously? This guy costs us at least 1 run a game if not more.

[AndChiefs]

Pathetic

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Luke Hochevar is no Jeff Francis.

[Mr. Laz]

Who sucks more stank ass ... Betancourt or Hochevar?

[alnorth]

Top 3rd

Hochevar bunt grounds out to catcher
Gordon walks
Betancourt doubles to center, Gordon scores
Butler flies out to left
Moustakas singles to left, Betancourt scores
Francoeur flies out to left

2 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 3rd

Jones flies out to left
Alvarez doubles to center
Tabata hits an infield single to shortstop, Alvarez to third
Tabata picked off and caught stealing 1-3-4, out at second, Alvarez scores during the rundown
Barajas grounds out to catcher

1 run, 2 hits

[petegz28]

Sorry if repost but put his ****ing ass on waivers and be done with it. I'd rather watch Verdugo pitch then this worthless piece of shit. I'm done with this game so night all!

I'm not far behind you. If we don't do something soon I am going to go watch my grass grow

[Shogun]

Luke Hochevar is no Jeff Francis.

Jeff Francis was a better pitcher than Luke Hochever. You can quote me on that.

[AndChiefs]

Who sucks more stank ass ... Betancourt or Hochevar?

Cut them both.

[alnorth]

Cant even pitch against the Pirates. OK, now I want to see this turd give up a bunch of runs to the worst offense in baseball, get that ERA back over 7.

[Shogun]

USELESS CANT EVEN BUNT

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Jeff Francis was a better pitcher than Luke Hochever. You can quote me on that.

Me too since that's what I was saying.

[Ceej]

"Go AHEAD and help yourself here Hoch."

Sorry guys. Needed a Rex-ism.

[stonedstooge]

Dyson like play in center there

[Shogun]

yuni why do you break my heart like this. stop toying with my emotions

[Mr. Laz]

Yuni makes up for another run he gave away.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'm guessing you didn't see the play, Ricky Henderson in his prime couldn't have gotten to that.

ROFL Classic Wicked

[stonedstooge]

Nice hit Moose

[SPchief]

Small ball!

[SPchief]

Damn, hit it right at him. Lets see if Luke can hold them to 1 here.

[alnorth]

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli

Want to understand how bad Yuni's defense is? Watch Neil Walker's RBI "single" in the 2nd. Forget the stats-don't the Royals use their eyes?

More Yuni hate. How was he ever a major league shortstop?

[stonedstooge]

Butler runs harder after a popup than he does on the bases

[SPchief]

Hey luke, that SS behind you, he's pretty good. You might want to let him do the work for you.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Look at the thighs on the Pirates ball girl.

[Shogun]

Hey luke, that SS behind you, he's pretty good. You might want to let him do the work for you.

its yuni

[AndChiefs]

Can we cut players mid game?

[kstater]

:facepalm:

Fucking retards.

[petegz28]

JFC....are you serious?

[stonedstooge]

JFC. Yuni costs another run

[SPchief]

:facepalm:

[mr. tegu]

Wow just wow.

[SPchief]

its yuni

Escobar is at SS

[petegz28]

WTF is this guy int he god damn game? Between him and Hoch they couldn't get laid in a French whore house on nickel night

[sedated]

Gotta love this national league lineup. So far Hosmer, Yuni, and Butler have all cost is runs that we wouldn't have given up if the normal guys were in their normal spots.

[Shogun]

Escobar is at SS

OH. I'm not really paying attention. As NL ball isnt really baseball.

ROFL

[alnorth]

Top 4th

Hosmer grounds out to first
Escobar grounds out to shortstop
Quintero singles to right
Hochevar flies out to right

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 4th

Barmes flies out to left
Bedard strikes out (swinging)
Presley flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

[Mr. Laz]

butler's slow ass cost the Royals a run in that mess ... Hosmer catches the ball and tags the guy out and we don't need another throw. The guy doesn't have time to break for home.

:cuss:

[SPchief]

JFC. Yuni costs another run

That was on Billy not looking down the 3rd base runner.

[OmahaChief]

Gotta love this national league lineup. So far Hosmer, Yuni, and Butler have all cost is runs that we wouldn't have given up if the normal guys were in their normal spots.

I like to blame Ned, it was his idea to do all this crap.

[stonedstooge]

That was on Billy not looking down the 3rd base runner.

Escobar would have gunned his ass down at home

[petegz28]

I think this experiment by Yost has a big fucking F all over it. I don't give a shit if Billy has to sit for a few games

[Archie F. Swin]

just tuned in...anything of interest happen so far?

[stonedstooge]

Quintero gets a fucking hit when nobody's on base

[SPchief]

Escobar would have gunned his ass down at home

He's not going home if Billy looks over there.

[lewdog]

Do they have stats on teams that get the most base hits with 2 outs?

[Bowser]

just tuned in...anything of interest happen so far?

Hochevar still sucks, if you haven't figured that one out yet.

[mr. tegu]

At least Quintero got on so that Hoch could be the last out.

[alnorth]

Escobar would have gunned his ass down at home

ehh, that woulda been really, really hard, if not impossible. Guy took off as soon as Butler got the ball. Butler simply didn't look at 3rd at all.

[Archie F. Swin]

Wait, did Hoch swing at the first pitch?

[mr. tegu]

I don't have good feeling about this game or series. We have been playing decent and clawing our way back towards .500 but this is just the kind of series we will get swept in.

[alnorth]

nyah nyah, betcha cant score again Pirates! Hoch is gonna own you guys the rest of this night! Go ahead, prove me wrong.

[stonedstooge]

ehh, that woulda been really, really hard, if not impossible. Guy took off as soon as Butler got the ball. Butler simply didn't look at 3rd at all.

Don't doubt my man. He's done some things at short that I don't know if I've ever seen before

[SPchief]

ehh, that woulda been really, really hard, if not impossible. Guy took off as soon as Butler got the ball. Butler simply didn't look at 3rd at all.

I know it's fun to bag on Yuni, but clearly that was on Billy and Stonestooge can't admit it.

[stonedstooge]

I know it's fun to bag on Yuni, but clearly that was on Billy and Stonestooge can't admit it.

Oh I'll admit it. But it's more fun to get after Yuni

[Archie F. Swin]

While I haven't been there...PNC just might be my favorite park in the majors.

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Gordon singles to right
Betancourt grounds out to third, Gordon to second
Butler strikes out (looking)
Moustakas fouls out to first

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 5th

Walker singles to right
McCutchen grounds out to third, Walker to second
Jones grounds out to first, Walker to third
Alvarez grounds out to pitcher

0 runs, 1 hit

[AndChiefs]

Wow hoch didn't give up a run. Sign him to an extension!

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

While I haven't been there...PNC just might be my favorite park in the majors.

I haven't been there either but it looks amazing on tv and in pics and the view of the skyline is awesome.

[SPchief]

Yost out to get the weather report.

[SPchief]

His foot was off

[mr. tegu]

Why is Yuni so slow!

[Archie F. Swin]

for me, the ultimate WS would be Royals v Pirates

[stonedstooge]

for me, the ultimate WS would be Royals v Pirates

I don't know. Beating the redturds again would be awesome, because we get to enjoy the butthurt here in Missouri

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

PNC is a beautiful ballpark.

[SPchief]

Yuni!

[Ceej]

I long for the days of Chris Getz.

[AndChiefs]

Cut. him.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I don't know. Beating the redturds again would be awesome, because we get to enjoy the butthurt here in Missouri

That. Although if we could make it to a WS again I wouldn't care who we played.

Royals vs. Cubs would be fun.

[SPchief]

WTF ump? Dead center

[alnorth]

Top 6th

Francoeur strikes out (swinging)
Hosmer singles to left
Escobar grounds out to first, Hosmer to second
Quintero grounds out to third

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 6th

Tabata singles to center
Tabata caught stealing 2-6, out at second
Barajas strikes out (swinging)
Barmes grounds out to pitcher

0 runs, 1 hit

[petegz28]

Did French swing at 1 pitch in the zone?

[RockChalk]

Did French swing at 1 pitch in the zone?

Does he ever?

[RockChalk]

If Hoch can make it through this inning, Clint Robinson may get his first major league AB

Edit: Nevermind. Wasn't thinking of lefty lefty matchup.

[alnorth]

Top 7th

Johnny Giavotella bats for Hochevar

Giavotella flies out to center
Gordon grounds out to second 4-1
Betancourt grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 7th

Tim Collins relieves Hochevar

Josh Harrison bats for Bedard

Harrison flies out to left
Presley grounds out to second
Walker strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

[Shogun]

cant wait to see if tiny tim can hit

[Archie F. Swin]

cant wait to see if tiny tim can hit
small zone, shouldn't swing

[alnorth]

Top 8th

Casey McGehee replaces Jones at 1B

Jason Grilli relieves Bedard

Butler grounds out to first 3-1
Moustakas flies out to center
Francoeur strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Louis Coleman relieves Collins

McCutchen strikes out (looking)
McGehee singles to left
Alvarez flies out to left
Tabata grounds out to third

0 runs, 1 hit

[RockChalk]

nothing close to the zone for Frenchy but he's hacking away, god bless his little heart

[stonedstooge]

WHERE IS OUR FUCKING OFFENSE?????????

[RockChalk]

WHERE IS OUR ****ING OFFENSE?????????

We look like we mailed it in about 3 or 4 innings ago. Must have some big post-game plans in Pittsburgh tonight

[petegz28]

so in the last 3 games we have scored 5 runs...yes...5...stellar...brilliant even

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

so in the last 3 games we have scored 5 runs...yes...5...stellar...brilliant even

That's Pirates like.

[stonedstooge]

so in the last 3 games we have scored 5 runs...yes...5...stellar...brilliant even

I thought I heard them say the Royals scored 17 total runs for the last homestand. 6 games right?

[RockChalk]

If we were playing our regular defense, this game would either be 2-1 or tied 2-2 right now. Thanks Ned. Batting Billy has really paid off tonight.

[alnorth]

If we were playing our regular defense, this game would either be 2-1 or tied 2-2 right now. Thanks Ned. Batting Billy has really paid off tonight.

Maybe 2-2. Hosmer's error didn't end up mattering

[petegz28]

Maybe 2-2. Hosmer's error didn't end up mattering

If we were playing our regular defense Hosmer is not in the OF to make the error

[kstater]

If we were playing our regular defense, this game would either be 2-1 or tied 2-2 right now. Thanks Ned. Batting Billy has really paid off tonight.

JFC, I can't believe you're arguing not playing our best hitter.

[alnorth]

If we were playing our regular defense Hosmer is not in the OF to make the error

I only count 2 runs that maybe dont score. The extra 90 feet in the inning with the error didn't matter with the hits that followed. The 2-run 2nd still would have been 2 runs.

[RockChalk]

Maybe 2-2. Hosmer's error didn't end up mattering

I thought Barajas took 2nd on the double, then he scored on the single from Barmes, no?

He should've been out at the plate, but Quintero is full of teh suck

[alnorth]

I thought Barajas took 2nd on the double, then he scored on the single from Barmes, no?

He should've been out at the plate, but Quintero is full of teh suck

single after that made the error irrelevant. That run was earned.

[RockChalk]

JFC, I can't believe you're arguing not playing our best hitter.

Well given his plate appearances this evening, we sacrificed our defense and got nothing in return. I understand that Butler is our best hitter, but the defensive philosophy isn't workout out tonight. In fact, it's cost us two runs.

[alnorth]

Well given his plate appearances this evening, we sacrificed our defense and got nothing in return. I understand that Butler is our best hitter, but the defensive philosophy isn't workout out tonight. In fact, it's cost us two runs.

If you dont want Hosmer in right, then sit Hosmer. You dont sit Butler.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Alright. See you tomorrow night guys.

[alnorth]

Top 9th

Joel Hanrahan relieves Grilli

Hosmer flies out to center
Escobar flies out to right

Clint Robinson bats for Quintero

Robinson strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

Pirates win, 4-2

[RockChalk]

If you dont want Hosmer in right, then sit Hosmer. You dont sit Butler.

I agree. But Billy's D cost us 1 run tonight, with nothing in return from his bat.

I'm guessing that if Cain was with the team, Hosmer would've been on the bench tonight.

[RockChalk]

Defensive arguments aside, that was a pretty crappy effort this evening. On that, I think we can all agree

[alnorth]

Upon further reflection, I think this "defensive deviation" cost us perhaps only 1 run. I don't see Betancourt as a weird interleague deviation because even though we'd rather play Gio, Ned isn't regularly starting him. So, run in the 1st still scores. Hosmer's error didn't matter, so the next 2 still score. The 4th run might not have scored during the hilarious rundown failure.

[alnorth]

I agree. But Billy's D cost us 1 run tonight, with nothing in return from his bat.

I'm guessing that if Cain was with the team, Hosmer would've been on the bench tonight.

yep. If Cain is in center and hitting like we'd hope, there's really nowhere to put Hosmer/Butler, so whoever was having the better year would have started at 1st.

[RockChalk]

Upon further reflection, I think this "defensive deviation" cost us perhaps only 1 run. I don't see Betancourt as a weird interleague deviation because even though we'd rather play Gio, Ned isn't regularly starting him. So, run in the 1st still scores. Hosmer's error didn't matter, so the next 2 still score. The 4th run might not have scored during the hilarious rundown failure.

My bias/hatred for Betancourt forces me to blame him for 1 run :harumph:

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

The national league really sucks. I mean they won this game but the way they play the game sucks.

[stonedstooge]

The national league really sucks. I mean they won this game but the way they play the game sucks.

It's really a different game isn't it?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

It's really a different game isn't it?

Yes. It's weird. And stupid.

[SPchief]

Heh, of all people, Yost throws hochaver under the bus for the botched run down.

[alnorth]

Heh, of all people, Yost throws hochaver under the bus for the botched run down.

wait, what?

Only thing I can think of is maybe he was responsible for yelling "home, home!" and he didn't do it? If thats not it, I'm confused.

[SPchief]

wait, what?

Only thing I can think of is maybe he was responsible for yelling "home, home!" and he didn't do it? If thats not it, I'm confused.

Said he held on to the ball to long and as soon as he threw to Billy, the runner started home. Didn't want to throw Billy under it. Said that Escobar should have been the one in the rundown not Yuni. Didn't make much sense other than him not wanting to throw Billy under the bus for the not looking at 3rd. And obviously they didn't ask him to follow up on what he meant.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

This has nothing to do with the fact that we lost the game but am I the only one who feels like interleague play has run it's course? It's fun for inter-city and interstate rivalrys but other than that I find it useless. The NL gets an advantage in their home parks by making our stupid pitchers bat and when they come to AL parks they get to be even with us.

I'm not crying "not fair" it's just not the same game. Yet even with AL pitchers batting in NL parks the AL still by and large beats the NL.

My advice to the NL and MLB is to stop thinking "purist" means better. The DH adds offense to the game, speeds it up and rewards guys who are good at the hardest thing to do in professional sports... hitting a baseball. Last I checked the team who scores the most runs still wins so lets handicap ourselves with one less real bat in the line up because it's the way the game was played in the beginning.

Btw I hate the NL lol.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

This has nothing to do with the fact that we lost the game but am I the only one who feels like interleague play has run it's course? It's fun for inter-city and interstate rivalrys but other than that I find it useless. The NL gets an advantage in their home parks by making our stupid pitchers bat and when they come to AL parks they get to be even with us.

I'm not crying "not fair" it's just not the same game. Yet even with AL pitchers batting in NL parks the AL still by and large beats the NL.

My advice to the NL and MLB is to stop thinking "purist" means better. The DH adds offense to the game, speeds it up and rewards guys who are good at the hardest thing to do in professional sports... hitting a baseball. Last I checked the team who scores the most runs still wins so lets handicap ourselves with one less real bat in the line up because it's the way the game was played in the beginning.

Btw I hate the NL lol.

Wait till next year it will be every night.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Wait till next year it will be every night.

Yeah... compounding stupid with more stupid.

[SPchief]

Hey Beer me, next year there will be an interleague series every day.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Hey Beer me, next year there will be an interleague series every day.

Yes I'm aware. See above post.

[alnorth]

This has nothing to do with the fact that we lost the game but am I the only one who feels like interleague play has run it's course?

You aren't the only one, but you are in a very small, vocal minority. Interleague is still wildly popular, and I also like interleague because it gives us a break from seeing the same damned 14 teams (mostly the same damned 4 teams) over and over again. I hate NL baseball too, but I don't travel to NL ballparks. I went to see the D-Backs get crushed by the Royals at the K, and I am far more likely to choose an interleague game at home than a standard AL game if given a choice.

[alnorth]

Wait till next year it will be every night.

Fine.

The NFL has interleague almost every week and the world doesn't end. The different rules are not a problem unless they force the Royals to play NL ball at home, thus ruining a otherwise-pleasant game you might go to see. There aren't many road interleague games, and if it bothers you that much, you are probably going to miss a few of the 162 games anyway, so don't watch those.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

You aren't the only one, but you are in a very small, vocal minority. Interleague is still wildly popular, and I also like interleague because it gives us a break from seeing the same damned 14 teams (mostly the same damned 4 teams) over and over again. I hate NL baseball too, but I don't travel to NL ballparks. I went to see the D-Backs get crushed by the Royals at the K, and I am far more likely to choose an interleague game at home than a standard AL game if given a choice.

Being in the minority... even as a white dude... is my lifes work it seems. It's my niche I guess.

[tk13]

Hey beer me, next year there will be an interleague series going on every day.

[Shogun]

hey beer me, did you know though that next year an interleague series is gonna happen every day?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

hey beer me, did you know though that next year an interleague series is gonna happen every day?

Hadn't heard that. Wow. Shogun dropping the knowledge.

[Shogun]

i do tend to do that time to time. like heres a cool factoid

every day next year, at some point in the day, there will be an interleague game going on.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

i do tend to do that time to time. like heres a cool factoid

every day next year, at some point in the day, there will be an interleague game going on.

You're blowing my mind right now.

[Reaper16]

Someone needs to tell beer me that there's gonna' be at least one interleague game every day next year. I mean, I just found this out myself and thought "Man, beer me really needs to know this."

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Someone needs to tell beer me that there's gonna' be at least one interleague game every day next year. I mean, I just found this out myself and thought "Man, beer me really needs to know this."

I call bullshit.

[Chiefspants]

I heard that interleague was being removed from play next year, someone should tell beer me.

[arrowheadnation]

On May 27th (10 games ago), Hosmer was batting .201. As of today, he's on a 9 game hitting streak and is batting .221. At least he's going in the right direction.

[Messier]

This has nothing to do with the fact that we lost the game but am I the only one who feels like interleague play has run it's course? It's fun for inter-city and interstate rivalrys but other than that I find it useless. The NL gets an advantage in their home parks by making our stupid pitchers bat and when they come to AL parks they get to be even with us.

I'm not crying "not fair" it's just not the same game. Yet even with AL pitchers batting in NL parks the AL still by and large beats the NL.

My advice to the NL and MLB is to stop thinking "purist" means better. The DH adds offense to the game, speeds it up and rewards guys who are good at the hardest thing to do in professional sports... hitting a baseball. Last I checked the team who scores the most runs still wins so lets handicap ourselves with one less real bat in the line up because it's the way the game was played in the beginning.

Btw I hate the NL lol.

Hitting a baseball is not the hardest thing to do in professional sports. I know there is the famous quote about the hardest thing in sports is hitting a round ball with a round bat, but I don't agree.

[Reaper16]

Hitting a baseball is not the hardest thing to do in professional sports. I know there is the famous quote about the hardest thing in sports is hitting a round ball with a round bat, but I don't agree.

What is harder?

[chefsos]

Kevin Millwood is no-hitting the Dodgers in Seattle through six, and just came out of the game before throwing a pitch in the 7th.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Hitting a baseball is not the hardest thing to do in professional sports. I know there is the famous quote about the hardest thing in sports is hitting a round ball with a round bat, but I don't agree.

OK you can disagree. I agree.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I heard that interleague was being removed from play next year, someone should tell beer me.

I call bullshit.

[SPchief]

Hitting a baseball is not the hardest thing to do in professional sports. I know there is the famous quote about the hardest thing in sports is hitting a round ball with a round bat, but I don't agree.

Care to explain what's harder?

[Great Expectations]

Need to have a DH in the NL with all the interleague games.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Care to explain what's harder?

He doesn't seem to yet.

[Reaper16]

Answering the question of "What is the hardest thing to do in sports, if not hitting major league pitching?" is the hardest thing to do in sports.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Answering the question of "What is the hardest thing to do in sports, if not hitting major league pitching?" is the hardest thing to do in sports.

Every professional sport is hard to be good at. That's why only the elite can do it. Football requires brute force, skill and toughness. Basketball and soccer require incredible stamina and skill. Golf... incredible skill and mental fortitude. Tennis... the same plus stamina.

Hitting a baseball well from a major league pitcher requires elite hand/eye coordination, excellent timing, patience, mental fortatude knowing that you're going to fail more often than you succeed, the ability to adjust in micro-seconds, the right swing, being able to go with pitches that change nearly every time, knowing what a pitcher is trying to do and the ability to bring all of those things together to hit the ball with authority.

Hitting a baseball is indeed the hardest thing to do in professional sports... imo.

[Messier]

What is harder?

Well, I think throwing a football 60 plus yards accurately is harder, kicking a 50 yard field goal, returning a 120 mph serve in tennis, I think it's harder to pitch a 95 mph fastball for a strike is harder than hitting the ball.

I'm talking more the general ability to do these tasks and not the percentage of success. I think there are non professionals that could hit a baseball, I don't think vey many non pros are going to kick a 50 plus yard fg, or return a Nadal serve.

[SPchief]

Every professional sport is hard to be good at. That's why only the elite can do it. Football requires brute force, skill and toughness. Basketball and soccer require incredible stamina and skill. Golf... incredible skill and mental fortitude. Tennis... the same plus stamina.

Hitting a baseball well from a major league pitcher requires elite hand/eye coordination, excellent timing, patience, mental fortatude knowing that you're going to fail more often than you succeed, the ability to adjust in micro-seconds, the right swing, being able to go with pitches that change nearly every time, knowing what a pitcher is trying to do and the ability to bring all of those things together to hit the ball with authority.

Hitting a baseball is indeed the hardest thing to do in professional sports... imo.
There's a reason that only the best players in the world only succeed 30% of the time.

[SPchief]

I think there are non professionals that could hit a baseball, I don't think vey many non pros are going to kick a 50 plus yard fg, or return a Nadal serve.

But you believe anyone could hit a (hell I'll go with Sean O'Sullivan) fastball?

EDIT:

While SOS is telling you he's throwing fastball?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Well, I think throwing a football 60 plus yards accurately is harder, kicking a 50 yard field goal, returning a 120 mph serve in tennis, I think it's harder to pitch a 95 mph fastball for a strike is harder than hitting the ball.

I'm talking more the general ability to do these tasks and not the percentage of success. I think there are non professionals that could hit a baseball, I don't think vey many non pros are going to kick a 50 plus yard fg, or return a Nadal serve.

Those things are all difficult but none of them require the mutliple skills that being a good major league hitter does. I can throw a ball 60 yards with simple arm strength.

[Messier]

There's a reason that only the best players in the world only succeed 30% of the time.

Like I said. I'm not talking % of success, but more the actual ability to complete the task. I've seen Kevin Cosner hit a homerun off a major league pitcher, but I don't think there is a single actor, no matter how much they love football that's going to kick a 55 yard FG, or return a 130 mph serve from Nadal or Federer.

[Messier]

Those things are all difficult but none of them require the mutliple skills that being a good major league hitter does. I can throw a ball 60 yards with simple arm strength.

Not accurately.

[SPchief]

. I can throw a ball 60 yards with simple arm strength.

Not to help Messier's cause, but I doubt it.

[Reaper16]

High-level tennis is the only reasonable alternative here. I can accept that argument.

[Messier]

But you believe anyone could hit a (hell I'll go with Sean O'Sullivan) fastball?

EDIT:

While SOS is telling you he's throwing fastball?

I think there are more people that can hit that fastball than throw a 60-70 yard pass.

[SPchief]

Like I said. I'm not talking % of success, but more the actual ability to complete the task. I've seen Kevin Cosner hit a homerun off a major league pitcher, but I don't think there is a single actor, no matter how much they love football that's going to kick a 55 yard FG, or return a 130 mph serve from Nadal or Federer.

Was the pitcher the number 1/2 player in the world? Was he throwing in a real game situation?(not a celebrity game?)

[Messier]

Some NFl teams (Chiefs included) don't even have a QB that can throw the ball 70 yards, but every MLB team has players that can hit any pitchers pitch.

[SPchief]

Just realized that Messier is a DC slum, keep spinning

[SPchief]

I'm out

[Messier]

Just realized that Messier is a DC slum, keep spinning

What?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Not accurately.

OK I'll give you that. Arm strength and accuracy are two separate skills. Still nowhere close to hitting a baseball successfully imo.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not putting down any of the things you mentioned. They all take elite skill. I have my opinion and you have yours.

[Messier]

I'm out

I accept your apology.

[Messier]

OK I'll give you that. Arm strength and accuracy are two separate skills. Still nowhere close to hitting a baseball successfully imo.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not putting down any of the things you mentioned. They all take elite skill. I have my opinion and you have yours.

I know. I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, it's all opinion here. That saying, about hardest thing to do in sport, has just always been a pet peeve of mine.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I think there are more people that can hit that fastball than throw a 60-70 yard pass.

Yeah I can throw a fast ball. About 75 mph. Can more people hit a 98 mph fastball? How about a slider, split finger fastball, curveball, change up... hit them all to be an elite big league hitter.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Some NFl teams (Chiefs included) don't even have a QB that can throw the ball 70 yards, but every MLB team has players that can hit any pitchers pitch.

Not true.

[Messier]

Yeah I can throw a fast ball. About 75 mph. Can more people hit a 98 mph fastball? How about a slider, split finger fastball, curveball, change up... hit them all to be an elite big league hitter.

Every team has some that can.

[Messier]

Not true.

Really? There are teams without a hit?

[Reaper16]

Messier doesn't even understand the argument. No wonder its a pet peeve of his.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

A hit is a hit. I'm talking about excelling at your craft. I might get a hit off a major league pitcher once because locating the ball where he wanted is also very difficult. Justin Verlander shuts teams down because he's most often better than the hitter. That doesn't mean a hitter doesn't get to him now and then.

[Messier]

I think we're arguing two different things. Hitting a ball has the lowest % of success, but I'm just talking about number of people on the planet that can even complete the task. If we're talking success rate, you're right.

[chefsos]

Kevin Millwood is no-hitting the Dodgers in Seattle through six, and just came out of the game before throwing a pitch in the 7th.LA is still hitless through 8...

[Messier]

Messier doesn't even understand the argument. No wonder its a pet peeve of his.

I just said, and actually said in one of my first posts, I'm talking about the ability to complete the task, not really % of success. There are more people that can hit a baseball than can throw a 70 yard pass right were it needs to go.

[DeezNutz]

Hitting a baseball is not the hardest thing to do in professional sports. I know there is the famous quote about the hardest thing in sports is hitting a round ball with a round bat, but I don't agree.

It's cool. People have to be wrong, Messedson.

Now, regarding tonight's Royals game. I'm going to flip my shit if I continue to see more failed run-downs. In college, we'd get our shit handed to us in practice if we couldn't end a run-down in a single throw. When's the last time you've seen the Royals do this?

For a franchise that has talked more about "fundamentals" (read: we know we suck) than any other team, they sure as fuck can't execute (read: we still fucking suck).

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I think we're arguing two different things. Hitting a ball has the lowest % of success, but I'm just talking about number of people on the planet that can even complete the task. If we're talking success rate, you're right.

Fair enough. We both make valid points and are both entitled to our opinions. See... a dissagreement on CP can be civil.

:thumb:

[DeezNutz]

Fair enough. We both make valid points and are both entitled to our opinions. See... a dissagreement on CP can be civil.

:thumb:

Fuck you.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

**** you.

Thanks Deez. I didn't feel like argueing anymore.

[Shogun]

hey beerme did you hear that next year theres an interleague game every year/

[chefsos]

Okay, nobody cares, but Seattle just no-hit the Dodgers with six pitchers.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

hey beerme did you hear that next year theres an interleague game every year/

Wait............. what?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Okay, nobody cares, but Seattle just no-hit the Dodgers with six pitchers.

I care. Who got the win?

[chefsos]

I care. Who got the win?The team with >0 hits.

[DeezNutz]

I care. Who got the win?

The Bears.