Poe.

[Direckshun]

He shows up to the Combine at 346 lbs.

Looking like this.

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He shows up to OTAs.

Looking like this.

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He does not, unless I've completely missed the boat here, have a contract.

He is not yet getting paid.

But he is working his fucking ass off at practice.

And is STAYING AFTER TO WORK ON TECHNIQUE.

While NOT getting paid for it.

Let's keep the Poe train going. Holy geez, I am really loving this kid.

[Direckshun]

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[Direckshun]

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[Direckshun]

HE'S THE MICHAEL JORDAN OF __________________________

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[Buckweath]

People say boom or bust but seeing as he looks a hard worker, now has good coaching and with his physical ability, I don't see the bust in him. It might take 2-3 years, but at worst he'll be playing at a Dorsey/Jackson level of play.

[cmh6476]

i don't see much of a difference, other than one picture he looks like a lion and the other picture he looks like a chief? I get the excitement, but am I missing something here?

[Direckshun]

These folks can go fuck themselves.

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[Hammock Parties]

Much ado about nothing.

[Okie_Apparition]

Get T Jacked at the D Poe

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Kid's working his ass off without a contract, that really is awesome. He'll be getting some of the best coaching in the entire league at his position, combine that with hard work, natural talent, and you have a future star in the making if he continues it.

[L.A. Chieffan]

These folks can go fuck themselves.

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I seem to recall this was how 99.9% of the board was reacting.

Except for me of course.

[philfree]

Players usually don't even show up until they have a contract. Myabe his work ethic will rub off on Powe and we'll have two badass young NTs when the season starts.

[DaFace]

I'm excited for the guy, but the lack of contract doesn't really make any difference. He'll get paid eventually, and he obviously knows that.

[ModSocks]

While it's great he's working hard w/o a contract, it could also simply mean the two sides are really close on the contract and are just ironing out the details.

[BigMeatballDave]

I really like him.

Give him a contract, Scott.

[Rasputin]

I don't have too high expectations for him this year but am excited that we get the opportunity to watch this kid blossom and hope in short few years he becomes the dominate DT we have been looking for.


Now for Dorsey & T Jack this is the year they better produce and no excuses for them.

[philfree]

I wonder how many rookies have been working at the OTAs without a signed deal? IMO Poe is a highly motivated individual because people questioned him as the 11th pick in the draft. He's out to prove those people wrong and to me Chiefs fans couldn't ask for a better scenario.

[Ace Gunner]

My main concern with him is his lacking technique and he seems docile. He's going to need a season or two before he lives up to expectations.

[Discuss Thrower]

Poe?

[ModSocks]

My main concern with him is his lacking technique and he seems docile. He's going to need a season or two before he lives up to expectations.

Yeah, i wouldn't expect much in his first year. I don't expect to see what we truely have till his 3rd or 4th season.

[Rasputin]

Yeah, i wouldn't expect much in his first year. I don't expect to see what we truely have till his 3rd or 4th season.

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

[ModSocks]

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

I think Dorsey is all he's going to be at this point, which isn't bad.

He's gonna be a solid yet unspectacular 10 year pro, and no, i dont think he's going put up better numbers in a 43 either. He's going up against LG's in the 34. He's going to be going up against LG's in a 43 as well.

"But, but Detoxing! It's the schemes fault! If he were in a 43 he would get better sack numbers because he has to tie up blockers in a 34"

BS BS BS

On passing downs, Hali is taking on LT's and Dorsey is getting 1vs1 matchups vs the LG and he just doesn't get it one. That's not going to change in a 43.

Jackson? I guess we'll see, but i think he'll have a similar career as Dorsey.

[bsp4444]

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

This.

How many times has Hali been so close to either a sack or knocking the ball away? I expect his impact to the game to increase dramatically if/when we see the pressure from the D-Line that we've been expecting.

[HemiEd]

I'm excited for the guy, but the lack of contract doesn't really make any difference. He'll get paid eventually, and he obviously knows that.

Yeah but, how many other players have that attitude? Not many.

[themanwithnoname]

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

They will do like they've been doing, and that will be fine. I really don't expect more stats from them even if Poe plays like a monster as I expect Poe or the linebackers will be getting the stats. I certainly won't complain if Jackson starts getting sacks like Neil Smith and Dorsey wrecks lines like he did in college, but I'm not expecting that at all.

That is their jobs and they've been doing it pretty well actually. Yeah they're overpaid but its not their fault that they were picked as high as they were.

I seem to be one of the few that doesn't want to see us lose either of them. Now, I do want to see them get much, much more reasonable contracts, but I think they are actually a big part of the defense's improvement.

As for Poe, because of Dorsey and Jackson, I expect Poe will actually look pretty good from the get go. The defense is setup very well for a nose tackle to thrive in, and because of those two I think its actually going to protect Poe in that he can make mistakes and learn and it not be devastating.

I'm not sure if its been by design or it was just how things happened, but both sides of the ball are setup for the key player for them to come in and be successful so if they're good that side of the ball should be great.

I actually think that DJ and Berry will possibly be the biggest benefactors. They might not have to look even more amazing and shrug off blockers to make a play, plus we might see them rush more if there's open lanes for them to attack.

[PhillyChiefFan]

Yeah but, how many other players have that attitude? Not many.

That's how I look at it too. Most guys coming into the NFL wouldn't do jack shit without a contract, even participate in OTA's.

[aturnis]

I'm excited for the guy, but the lack of contract doesn't really make any difference. He'll get paid eventually, and he obviously knows that.

He will get paid eventually. Unless of course he shreds his knee in a career ending injury. Hell, even season ending would cost him money.

[DaFace]

He will get paid eventually. Unless of course he shreds his knee in a career ending injury. Hell, even season ending would cost him money.

Aren't they pretty much locked in to the basic parameters of the contract? I honestly don't know, but I thought that was one of the features of the new CBA.

[LOCOChief]

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

[ModSocks]

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

This is a misconception. Their PRIMARY job is to tie up blockers, not their only job, which they do a good job at. But they also need to get after the QB, which they fail miserably at.

[Buckweath]

People need to stop with being disappointed by Dorsey and Jackson poor sack numbers, or poor pass rush if you prefer.

Do you realize this Chiefs defense with Dorsey and Jackson starting all 16 games finished 6th in the league in pass defense despite having no Eric Berry back there and a passrusher like Justin Houston who wasn't a factor early on.
Did you see those games against Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady (without Eric Berry I remember you)?

Let's hope Dontari Poe can collapse the pocket regularly, if not this year next year, but I definitly think Dorsey and Jackson are a good part of the reason why this defense might already be elite.

I really hope the Chiefs resign Dorsey, he is an underrated player, not a star but real solid.

[ModSocks]

People need to stop with being disappointed by Dorsey and Jackson poor sack numbers, or poor pass rush if you prefer.

Do you realize this Chiefs defense with Dorsey and Jackson starting all 16 games finished 6th in the league in pass defense despite having no Eric Berry back there and a passrusher like Justin Houston who wasn't a factor early on.
Did you see those games against Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady (without Eric Berry I remember you)?

Let's hope Dontari Poe can collapse the pocket regularly, if not this year next year, but I definitly think Dorsey and Jackson are a good part of the reason why this defense might already be elite.

I really hope the Chiefs resign Dorsey, he is an underrated player, not a star but real solid.

Considering Dorsey and Jackson come out on obvious passing downs, and that the Chiefs were near the bottom in total sacks, ima say that Jackson and Dorsey DIDN'T have a large part in that.

Tying up blockers and stopping the run is not their only job. If this Defense is going to take the next step forward to ELITE status, they have to get more production out of their DE's.

[LOCOChief]

This is a misconception. Their PRIMARY job is to tie up blockers, not their only job, which they do a good job at. But they also need to get after the QB, which they fail miserably at.

We'll just agree to disagree on this, either way I think they'll be seen in a different light if Poe pans out.

[ModSocks]

We'll just agree to disagree on this, either way I think they'll be seen in a different light if Poe pans out.

I don't see what Poe is going to do for them. They're not getting push in 1vs1 situations. Poe isn't going to change that.

The guys who will benefit from Poe are the LBers.

[Rasputin]

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

No on passing downs they need to be getting to the QB asap. That's there job. Getting penatration & getting double teamed is part of it. There lacking of sacks and getting to the QB is not acceptable, especially at the draft spot they were taken.

[whoman69]

Aren't they pretty much locked in to the basic parameters of the contract? I honestly don't know, but I thought that was one of the features of the new CBA.

I think the biggest variable is the amount guarenteed.

[BoneKrusher]

Get T Jacked at the D Poe

i wanna change my name to Da DePoe

[LOCOChief]

No on passing downs they need to be getting to the QB asap. That's there job. Getting penatration & getting double teamed is part of it. There lacking of sacks and getting to the QB is not acceptable, especially at the draft spot they were taken.

IF the nt isn't drawing double teams the ends are. Go Chiefs DJ gif evidences what I'm saying pretty clearly.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be improvement from both Dorsey and TJ regarding pass rush but we've seen improvement there with good nt play and both players are assending imo.

[Buckweath]

Considering Dorsey and Jackson come out on obvious passing downs, and that the Chiefs were near the bottom in total sacks, ima say that Jackson and Dorsey DIDN'T have a large part in that.

Tying up blockers and stopping the run is not their only job. If this Defense is going to take the next step forward to ELITE status, they have to get more production out of their DE's.

Whatever if we have a rotation at DEs... Do you deny that the Chiefs pass defence was elite in the second half of last season?

It's clear to me that Dorsey and Jackson's primary job is to stop the run, which they have proved to be great at. I wish they woud give us a bit more passrush but I don't expect it to happen and with the rise of Justin Houston, Allen Bailey and hopefully a decent rookie season by Poe, why are you so concerned by Dorsey and Jackson pass rush?

Between Hali, Houston, Bailey, maybe Poe and Berry and Arenas as great DB passrushers, the passrush will be fine my friend, do not worry.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

[durtyrute]

Beast

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Poe will transform Dorsey and Jackson into everything we evar wanted them to be!

[Quesadilla Joe]

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I agree. 65 snaps, 1 tackle against a Conference USA team that went 2-11. The innate athletic ability doesn't translate to the field. Maybe someone can light a fire under him at the next level. If not, he could be way overvalued. I'm trying to dig up more games - Memphis is tough to find.

[ModSocks]

Whatever if we have a rotation at DEs... Do you deny that the Chiefs pass defence was elite in the second half of last season?

It's clear to me that Dorsey and Jackson's primary job is to stop the run, which they have proved to be great at. I wish they woud give us a bit more passrush but I don't expect it to happen and with the rise of Justin Houston, Allen Bailey and hopefully a decent rookie season by Poe, why are you so concerned by Dorsey and Jackson pass rush?

Between Hali, Houston, Bailey, maybe Poe and Berry and Arenas as great DB passrushers, the passrush will be fine my friend, do not worry.

There is a lot of cause to be concerned about the pass rush. They were tied for 3rd worst in the league last season.

Dorsey and Jackson combined for a whopping ONE sack the ENTIRE season. That is pathetic.

So lets go with what you've dreamed up though.

Hali continues to be Hali and gets 12-14 Sacks.

Houston Continue where he left off and get 8-10 Sacks.

Dorsey and Jackson continue Being Dorsey and Jackson: 1 Sack

The DB's rushing the QB thing is a bit of a reach, but we'll go with it.

Arenas: 2 Sacks

Berry: 2 Sacks

Now lets say we get about 10 sacks from everywhere else (which is what we got last year) : That would put us at 34 Sacks on the season.

We will have improved from 29th int the league to about 20th.

Not good enough.

BUT

If Dorsey and Jackson do what a good 34 DE would do...Produce 4-5 Sacks each on the season, then we'd be top 10.

Or....close to Elite.

Point?

Dorsey and Jackson producing a combined 1 sack per season isn't going to cut it.

[Rasputin]

Thank you Detoxing, that's the kind of point I was trying to make out of my questions. I havn't fealt like they've played good enough especially on passing downs. This year they best be getting at the QB. Poes job is collaps the inside, but he is too young & wet behind the ears to get his technique down to be that effective for his first year so we got to count on Dorsey & T Jack to really get after the QB. We should be constructive critisism for there play on the field imo & not just say that's good enough, it's not.

[Otter]

Looking forward to watching him play. If he fills NT for a couple years it's all worth it. That's the position on defense that makes all the difference but gets no glory in 3-4. The guys looks like he's hungry and has game but the tale will tell itself as it always does come showtime.

Certainly rooting for him.

[ModSocks]

Thank you Detoxing, that's the kind of point I was trying to make out of my questions. I havn't fealt like they've played good enough especially on passing downs. This year they best be getting at the QB. Poes job is collaps the inside, but he is too young & wet behind the ears to get his technique down to be that effective for his first year so we got to count on Dorsey & T Jack to really get after the QB. We should be constructive critisism for there play on the field imo & not just say that's good enough, it's not.

Exactly. It's not good enough. I'm not saying they are bad players, but they have to step it up in passing situations. Their lack of production is too much for the rest of the team to overcome, and Poe isn't going to do them any favors, at least not in his first year or two. There isn't a NT on the planet that will help Dorsey and Jackson win 1vs1. They have to do it themselves, and to this point, neither have shown that they can.

We're not asking for the world here. Something like 4-5 sacks each. We need them to produce that if this D is going to take the next step forward.

The problem with CP's members is that "They just have to clog the lanes" has been beaten into so many people's heads.

It's PART of their job, not their only job.

Even if Houston picks up where he left off and Hali continues to be Hali, it won't be enough to make this defense Elite. Not until those two step it up.

[ModSocks]

For comparisons sake, Baltimore, the top Pass rushing 34 team last season got 14 sacks for their 3 down linemen. Only 5 of those were from Ngata.

[Rasputin]

To me it's so what if you can stop the run? Can you stop the pass on first, second or third downs? Cus teams are passing on all the downs and the offences have it easy with the rules so DBs are having to lay off the WRs so it's a must to be able to attack the QB from the D line.

[CupidStunt]

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

No-name RBs and 7ft lumberjack QBs sorta have to show up.

[Setsuna]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

[DaFace]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

:spock:

[Bewbies]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

Fuck you. Go post in the threads about being broke because of your ex wife, or whether or not you keep your car dealer maintained.

Barackshun needs to post many, many more football threads.

[RealSNR]

I'm definitely rooting for him. I like the kid a lot.

But that still doesn't mean he wasn't a shitty pick at 11th overall. I'm not even talking about reaching and position value. I'm talking about the concept of taking a guy that high who needs to COMPLETELY transform the way he plays the position.

And if that wasn't bad enough, he doesn't even flash the little stuff that you look for in potential stars. He doesn't have any explosion at all. He's slow off the snap and gets beaten off the ball 99% of the time. He doesn't exactly play with a motor. The number of plays in his highlight reels that I've seen where he really impresses me can be counted on both hands. And I'm INCLUDING the snaps where he doesn't make the play. I'm talking about instances where he gets leverage against a double team, or makes the correct gap read, or just plain athletically dominates the weaker competition (he has only a few of those plays).

He's got unbelievable work ethic, discipline, he's got great coaching here in Kansas City, and he's in a good environment in a scheme that supposedly plays to his strengths. Let's hope those things are enough to correct the glaring weaknesses of his.

[Okie_Apparition]

Jackson is getting hands up & batting balls down
I think Matty helped

[RealSNR]

You know who Poe is? Bruce Campbell. He's a better prospect with far better discipline, but let's face it. That's who Poe is. And Campbell went in the 4th round to the Raiders.

But hey, he's still in the league. So that's good news for Poe I guess.

[Rasputin]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

look, there are plenty of other message bords for you to go trolll so get lost. This is a good thread of discussion and your and idiot moran.

[saphojunkie]

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

Woopty shit

[themanwithnoname]

There is a lot of cause to be concerned about the pass rush. They were tied for 3rd worst in the league last season.

Dorsey and Jackson combined for a whopping ONE sack the ENTIRE season. That is pathetic.

So lets go with what you've dreamed up though.

Hali continues to be Hali and gets 12-14 Sacks.

Houston Continue where he left off and get 8-10 Sacks.

Dorsey and Jackson continue Being Dorsey and Jackson: 1 Sack

The DB's rushing the QB thing is a bit of a reach, but we'll go with it.

Arenas: 2 Sacks

Berry: 2 Sacks

Now lets say we get about 10 sacks from everywhere else (which is what we got last year) : That would put us at 34 Sacks on the season.

We will have improved from 29th int the league to about 20th.

Not good enough.

BUT

If Dorsey and Jackson do what a good 34 DE would do...Produce 4-5 Sacks each on the season, then we'd be top 10.

Or....close to Elite.

Point?

Dorsey and Jackson producing a combined 1 sack per season isn't going to cut it.

But, if Dorsey and Jackson aren't in on passing downs so how are they going to get sacks then? Point, without knowing exactly what they are being asked to actually do, how can you say they need to improve?

Jackson and Dorsey are there to enable others to make plays. Odd that after their improved play, we're talking about how DJ, Hali, and now Houston are making plays. The problem is that its still not enough because the Chiefs are not a big blitzing defense, and rely on just a couple of guys to essentially be their pass rush (hell you could almost argue one guy and amazingly its actually worked decently). I personally would like to see them get more aggressive, and I think that is actually the next step that needs to be taken. We'll see how things turn out obviously, but I think Jackson and Dorsey were told deliberately not to be super aggressive and get after the QB.

[The Franchise]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

Feel free to die in a fire.

[Rasputin]

But, if Dorsey and Jackson aren't in on passing downs so how are they going to get sacks then? Point, without knowing exactly what they are being asked to actually do, how can you say they need to improve?

Jackson and Dorsey are there to enable others to make plays. Odd that after their improved play, we're talking about how DJ, Hali, and now Houston are making plays. The problem is that its still not enough because the Chiefs are not a big blitzing defense, and rely on just a couple of guys to essentially be their pass rush (hell you could almost argue one guy and amazingly its actually worked decently). I personally would like to see them get more aggressive, and I think that is actually the next step that needs to be taken. We'll see how things turn out obviously, but I think Jackson and Dorsey were told deliberately not to be super aggressive and get after the QB.

I don't think it be too much to ask for each of them to get 10 sacks or average a sack a game would be nice. The thing is one sack for the season just doesn't cut it for either of them and I don't care it's not recipe for winning when your DEs get one sack per year. Even in a 34, at the least give me 12 sacks combined between them. One sack is BS. On a good season they both can get 10+sacks.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

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Worry about your own shitty team please. K thanks.

[jspchief]

Hopefully Poe learns how to play football.

[thomas]

Kid's working his ass off without a contract, that really is awesome. He'll be getting some of the best coaching in the entire league at his position, combine that with hard work, natural talent, and you have a future star in the making if he continues it.

Perfect storm brewing here!!!:clap:

[saphojunkie]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

Time to change your tampon.

Keep it up, direckshun!

[saphojunkie]

Hopefully Poe learns how to play football.

Well let's not let a little thing like that get in the way of some sweet, sweet OTA hype. :)

[SAUTO]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

Fuck off. Seriously.

You aren't even a fucking chiefs fan. Go somewhere else... Don't tell actual fans of a team whose message board you are on to not make threads about a player on the same team the message board is about.

Oh and did I say to fuck off?
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[bevischief]

i wanna change my name to Da DePoe

Send a PM to one of the mods like Gonzo.

[whoman69]

But, if Dorsey and Jackson aren't in on passing downs so how are they going to get sacks then? Point, without knowing exactly what they are being asked to actually do, how can you say they need to improve?

Jackson and Dorsey are there to enable others to make plays. Odd that after their improved play, we're talking about how DJ, Hali, and now Houston are making plays. The problem is that its still not enough because the Chiefs are not a big blitzing defense, and rely on just a couple of guys to essentially be their pass rush (hell you could almost argue one guy and amazingly its actually worked decently). I personally would like to see them get more aggressive, and I think that is actually the next step that needs to be taken. We'll see how things turn out obviously, but I think Jackson and Dorsey were told deliberately not to be super aggressive and get after the QB.

Sorry but they were on the field for 200 passing downs last year. Teams are throwing out of their base set against our base defense on 1st and 2nd downs. That means for all those plays Dorsey and Jackson are next to useless.

[Hoover]

I have always liked the Poe pick, and his work ethic only makes me like him more.

Just compare Poe's offseason talk to Ryan Sims. At this point after Sims was drafted we knew that he liked to eat ribs, Poe is showing us that he's ready to get to work.

I get the same feeling with Poe as I did when we drafted Hali. I think we will look back in time and think this was a great pick. I love the kid.

[philfree]

I have always liked the Poe pick, and his work ethic only makes me like him more.

Just compare Poe's offseason talk to Ryan Sims. At this point after Sims was drafted we knew that he liked to eat ribs, Poe is showing us that he's ready to get to work.
I get the same feeling with Poe as I did when we drafted Hali. I think we will look back in time and think this was a great pick. I love the kid.

Exactly what I was thinking......Cut it out , maaan.

Edit: I never heard anything as positive about Doresy or Jackson either.

[Hoover]

I never heard anything as positive about Doresy or Jackson either.

Agree, and if it was positive it was that he's a nice guy you want to talk too.

[RealSNR]

I have always liked the Poe pick, and his work ethic only makes me like him more.

Just compare Poe's offseason talk to Ryan Sims. At this point after Sims was drafted we knew that he liked to eat ribs, Poe is showing us that he's ready to get to work.

I get the same feeling with Poe as I did when we drafted Hali. I think we will look back in time and think this was a great pick. I love the kid.Hali at least had halfway decent college film. All that effort showed up in his play quite obviously. With Poe you know he works hard, but you just don't see it on the field.

[Hoover]

that said, Poe played a ton of snaps and was used all over the place.

[LOCOChief]

I have always liked the Poe pick, and his work ethic only makes me like him more.

Just compare Poe's offseason talk to Ryan Sims. At this point after Sims was drafted we knew that he liked to eat ribs, Poe is showing us that he's ready to get to work.

I get the same feeling with Poe as I did when we drafted Hali. I think we will look back in time and think this was a great pick. I love the kid.


:clap:

[LOCOChief]

[QUOTE=SNR;8675714]Hali at least had halfway decent college film. All that effort showed up in his play quite obviously. With Poe you know he works hard, but you just don't see it on the field.[/QUOTE
All that big boy has to do is apply effort, contant effort. Size + agility + speed + strength = jack shit! Throw in some effort and you got something else.

[milkman]

Seriously, making it like some big deal that Poe is showing up at OTAs and mini camps without a contract is stupid.

It's rare when a kid hasn't shown up at these.

It was just a few years ago that some kid (I think it was a Charger rookie) refused to show, talking about how an injury could affect his negotiations.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Sooooo who on here predicted that the Chiefs would draft this guy?

[milkman]

Sooooo who on here predicted that the Chiefs would draft this guy?

Soooooo, who on here gives a fuck?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Soooooo, who on here gives a fuck?

Everyone

[Mr. Laz]

Poe maybe had play of day on sweet move and push at LOS to get would b sack #chiefs

Twitter / Mitch Holthus

How awesome would it be if Poe racks up a handful of sacks every year?

[beach tribe]

I'm forced to take Crennel's word when it comes to an assessment of Poe's ability. there may not be a more qualified person on the planet to defer to in this situation. So until Poe proves that he wasn't worth the pick, I'm going to assume he was.

[beach tribe]

And as far as the tape goes, from what I've seen, he has flashed. Hard. He just never amassed any numbers, and that's all coachable IMO.

[RealSNR]

Which defensive linemen did Crennel draft when he was with the Browns?

[beach tribe]

Which defensive linemen did Crennel draft when he was with the Browns?

With a first round pick? I don't know who?

[RealSNR]

Eh, I'll stop being lazy and answer my own question.

2005
5 139 David McMillan- DE
6 203 Andrew Hoffman- DT

2006
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley- DE
6 181 Babatunde Oshinowo- DT

2007
6 200 Melila Purcell- DE
7 213 Chase Pittman- DE

2008
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin- DT

So... he knows defensive linemen only if they're high end picks maybe?

[whoman69]

The Kansas City Chiefs have had their first round pick Dontari Poe in mandatory minicamp this week, as well as the rest of the offseason before this week. That's notable because Poe has yet to sign his rookie contract. In past years rookies wouldn't work out until they had their rookie deal done but Poe's contract isn't a concern with the NFL's rookie wage scale.

Poe said there was "no doubt" he was going to be at the Chiefs offseason program, regardless of his contract.

"I'm here to play football, so I'm doing that side of it," Poe said, via comments sent out by the Chiefs. "I leave that up to pretty much the other people to do that, so I'm just doing what I'm here to do."

So what does Poe working out without a contract say about him?

"It says he wants to make the team," Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "That's what that says."

Pretty sure he's gonna make the team but Crennel didn't sound concerned at all about Poe's contract.

"They will get it done eventually because of the new structure in camp and things like that, but I think that he wants to learn the system and show what his abilities are so that when he does get assigned he can fall right into place."

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/6/13/3082764/chiefs-dontari-poe

OMG HE'S NOT SIGNED YET!!!!!!!!!!

[ModSocks]

Eh, I'll stop being lazy and answer my own question.



I lol'd

[suzzer99]

Seriously, making it like some big deal that Poe is showing up at OTAs and mini camps without a contract is stupid.

It's rare when a kid hasn't shown up at these.

It was just a few years ago that some kid (I think it was a Charger rookie) refused to show, talking about how an injury could affect his negotiations.

Stop sucking the fun out of life

[Mr. Laz]

The Kansas City Chiefs have had their first round pick Dontari Poe in mandatory minicamp this week, as well as the rest of the offseason before this week. That's notable because Poe has yet to sign his rookie contract. In past years rookies wouldn't work out until they had their rookie deal done but Poe's contract isn't a concern with the NFL's rookie wage scale.

Poe said there was "no doubt" he was going to be at the Chiefs offseason program, regardless of his contract.

"I'm here to play football, so I'm doing that side of it," Poe said, via comments sent out by the Chiefs. "I leave that up to pretty much the other people to do that, so I'm just doing what I'm here to do."

So what does Poe working out without a contract say about him?

"It says he wants to make the team," Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "That's what that says."

Pretty sure he's gonna make the team but Crennel didn't sound concerned at all about Poe's contract.

"They will get it done eventually because of the new structure in camp and things like that, but I think that he wants to learn the system and show what his abilities are so that when he does get assigned he can fall right into place."

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/6/13/3082764/chiefs-dontari-poe

OMG HE'S NOT SIGNED YET!!!!!!!!!!
i know you're making a joke but i really don't understand why they all aren't sign yet. The new system should make it pretty cut and dry.

[bevischief]

Eh, I'll stop being lazy and answer my own question.

2005
5 139 David McMillan- DE
6 203 Andrew Hoffman- DT

2006
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley- DE
6 181 Babatunde Oshinowo- DT

2007
6 200 Melila Purcell- DE
7 213 Chase Pittman- DE

2008
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin- DT

So... he knows defensive linemen only if they're high end picks maybe?

How many still playing?

[ModSocks]

i know you're making a joke but i really don't understand why they all aren't sign yet. The new system should make it pretty cut and dry.

Deciding how many Twinkies he gets in his signing bonus.

[beach tribe]

Eh, I'll stop being lazy and answer my own question.

2005
5 139 David McMillan- DE
6 203 Andrew Hoffman- DT

2006
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley- DE
6 181 Babatunde Oshinowo- DT

2007
6 200 Melila Purcell- DE
7 213 Chase Pittman- DE

2008
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin- DT

So... he knows defensive linemen only if they're high end picks maybe?

Name all the stud 6th round Dlinemen in the league right now.

[beach tribe]

I understand that's a silly request, and wouldn't really expect you to do so.

[ModSocks]

I understand that's a silly request, and wouldn't really expect you to do so.

Too late.

He's in full Google mode now. You've awakened the sleeping giant, haha

[RealSNR]

Name all the stud 6th round Dlinemen in the league right now.

Jerrel Powe

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Name all the stud 6th round Dlinemen in the league right now.

Cam "Mr. Universe" Thomas!!!!

[Ceej]

Please go suck his dick and get it over with direckshun. I mean seriously. STFU about him already and stop making shit threads.

Just because you're a miserable Jags fan doesn't mean you have to act like a lil' bitch.

[philfree]

Agree, and if it was positive it was that he's a nice guy you want to talk too.

I remeber reading that Dorsey likes shrimp and gumbo at road side stands. Which worried me some being a big man like he is. He could blow up eating that stuff.

[beach tribe]

Jerrel Powe

That would be awesome.

[rtuimauga]

Got to meet this guy in person and he is a beast of a man. There is a local establishment where I see alot of the players on a regular basis and he has only been out once. Trent Green even made an appearance not long ago :)

[Direckshun]

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[mcaj22]

what game do you think Poe will get his first NFL sack

I say week 16 on a coverage sack,

I'm kidding of course.

[MTG#10]

I expect big things from this kid this season.

[Cannibal]

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Good Finds.

[RealSNR]

I hated the Poe pick when it happened.

He still wouldn't have been my choice, but he's starting to have me believing he can actually play in this league now.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I really hate our DL.

[J Diddy]

I really hate our DL.

What I'm going to hate is if Dorsey dominates at nose in San Fran.

I still don't know if Romeo just didn't like Powe or that the kid can't play. I think Poe would be better at end and Jackson, still don't like.

[Buehler445]

What I'm going to hate is if Dorsey dominates at nose in San Fran.

I still don't know if Romeo just didn't like Powe or that the kid can't play. I think Poe would be better at end and Jackson, still don't like.

Is Powe still on the roster?

[RunKC]

I hated the Poe pick when it happened.

He still wouldn't have been my choice, but he's starting to have me believing he can actually play in this league now.

Who did you want?

[O.city]

Brockers


Still wish he was the pick

[J Diddy]

Is Powe still on the roster?

yup

[Direckshun]

Is Powe still on the roster?

Do we not have a FUCKING THREAD STICKIED to tell you EXACTLY THAT.

[RunKC]

Brockers


Still wish he was the pick

I wanted Chandler Jones. He's so quick and plenty strong. He had a really good rookie year.

[J Diddy]

Do we not have a ****ING THREAD STICKIED to tell you EXACTLY THAT.

hmmm, u mad bro?

[Direckshun]

hmmm, u mad bro?

Furious.

[patteeu]

I hated the Poe pick when it happened.

He still wouldn't have been my choice, but he's starting to have me believing he can actually play in this league now.

Same here.

[RealSNR]

Who did you want?

In order of preference:

1. Trade up for Tannehill
2. Take one of the pass rushers that were available to us (Ingram, Mercilus, or Coples)
3. Brockers (or Cox, though I question how he would fit in our 3-4. I did NOT see him falling to us at all in the mock draft process)

Or anybody else. I saw Dontari Poe's tape and that made me really sour. When a guard from Arkansas freakin State dominates you, that's when I start to question if you're worth the 11th overall.

The big guy's still got a long way to go, but it at least looks like the changes in coaching are making a huge impact.

[Cannibal]

hmmm, u mad bro?

http://marcamos.com/ha/i-aint-even-mad.jpg

[Direckshun]

WTF

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[Direckshun]

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[Direckshun]

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[Setsuna]

Direckshun makes terrible threads.

[Buehler445]

Do we not have a FUCKING THREAD STICKIED to tell you EXACTLY THAT.

Can't we all just get along?

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/surfer-girls-13.jpg

[chiefzilla1501]

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the Pioli era.

[Saccopoo]

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Yep...saw a lot of that last season. Undisiplined and he got directed a lot by the center and guards. Gave up a lot of rushing first downs (just like in this video) because he didn't hold his lane.

[RealSNR]

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

Woah. Easy there, tiger. I'm warming up to Poe as well, but he's far from a terrific pick yet. He steadily improved throughout last season, considering if he was farting behind Toribio all of preseason. I'm hopeful the aggressive scheme from Bob Newhart will make him even better, but he still has a long way to go. If not, he's no better than a Tyson Jackson kind of player at NT, which is pretty much what we had with Ron Edwards.

[milkman]

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

[chiefzilla1501]

Woah. Easy there, tiger. I'm warming up to Poe as well, but he's far from a terrific pick yet. He steadily improved throughout last season, considering if he was farting behind Toribio all of preseason. I'm hopeful the aggressive scheme from Bob Newhart will make him even better, but he still has a long way to go. If not, he's no better than a Tyson Jackson kind of player at NT, which is pretty much what we had with Ron Edwards.

He was a terrific pick because we took a chance on a player at a critical position whose upside is to play a rare form of that position. He's not just any nose tackle. He has ability to be Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata, and that is a really tough and extremely valuable player in this league.

I am not saying he's a terrific pick because he's an awesome player. I know what he is -- he's much further along than we expected, but still has a long way to go. But this was one of the only picks Pioli made where he drafted based on positional value instead of taking a safe pick.

[Rasputin]

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

They need to put Powe in two or three times in a quarter just to blow up the center into the back field. He can blow up an offense if that is the mission he is sent in to do. Not for every down but give him a play or two in a series of downs. I think D lineman are at best when they aren't on the field the entire game and get rotated.

[chiefzilla1501]

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

I am talking about how the game has evolved to the Nose Tackle having to play multiple techniques. You have to do that to beat No Huddle. Which is why people undervalue DeVito's role in this defense. And they overvalue guys like Terence Cody who play pure zero technique versus a guy like Wilfork who can and does play pretty much every single defensive snap.

Powe is limited in his versatility. He is a pure 0-technique, and that's probably his only position. Poe can play the 0-technique, probably the 5-technique, and has the skill set to even one day play 1-tech and 3-tech.

[BossChief]

That's bullshit saying all Powe can play is the zero.

The guy has the ability to disrupt plays from anywhere in the interior.

[chiefzilla1501]

That's bullshit saying all Powe can play is the zero.

The guy has the ability to disrupt plays from anywhere in the interior.

His saving grace is that he has potential to play in both a 0-technique and a 1-technique, which gives him the 4-3/3-4 flexibility Rex Ryan wants. He's not the guy who's going to play 3-technique or 5-technique. He is a 2-down NT with, you're right, a little more flexibility than say a Terence Cody. But he's not even remotely close to the Haloti Ngatas or Vince Wilforks of the world who are revolutionizing the position.

[Dave Lane]

I really hate our DL.

If you think thats a mess look at out QBs.

Goes and pukes

[TimeForWasp]

What's up with two pony tails? One in the back and one on the top of his head. What is up with that shit?

[Rasputin]

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

I think Poe can do better at DE than Tyson Jack. I think Powe should be at NT and give that push shoving the center back and penetrate wreaking havoc with DJ blitzing right behind him.


Poe is more versatile along the line yet Powe has more power to beast it up the middle.

It would not surprise me this preseason games to see Powe out play Poe at NT.

[Titty Meat]

Powe sucks ass.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think Poe can do better at DE than Tyson Jack. I think Powe should be at NT and give that push shoving the center back and penetrate wreaking havoc with DJ blitzing right behind him.


Poe is more versatile along the line yet Powe has more power to beast it up the middle.

It would not surprise me this preseason games to see Powe out play Poe at NT.

What makes a nt like Poe so valuable is when a team goes no huddle and let's say they force you to the nickel or they shift into a 5 receiver set, all of a sudden you can't run a traditional base 3-4. That's what guys like Casey Hampton are getting phased out while Wilfork and ngata are essentially becoming franchise players.

I did forget, however, that if we are moving to a Rex Ryan base defense, that it could also be done keeping both Poe and Powe on the field. Just as Baltimore often does with Cody and ngata. Big difference being that Powe would have to learn the 1 technique which is essentially a 4-3 nose tackle.

[UberSparky]

Can someone who has the time and know-how, post a rookie season comparison with Poe vs Ngata and all other elite NT types. I have looked it up myself. Think its an eye opener.
I

[tooge]

I did, and they are very similar

Poe: games 16, batted passes 4, sacks 0, tackles 28, asst 10

Ngata: games 16, batted passes 2, sacks 1, tackles 13, asst 8

[Rausch]

That's bullshit saying all Powe can play is the zero.

The guy has the ability to disrupt plays from anywhere in the interior.

This...

[milkman]

Powe sucks ass.

Serious question.

Have you ever been right?

[Fat Elvis]

I did, and they are very similar

Poe: games 16, batted passes 4, sacks 0, tackles 28, asst 10

Ngata: games 16, batted passes 2, sacks 1, tackles 13, asst 8

Wilfork: games 16, passes defensed 3, sacks 2, tackles 27, asst 15


If you factor in Romeo's defensive philosophy and the jump in the type of competition that Poe faced in college vs the NFL compared to Ngata and Wilfork, it is easy to see why some folks on this board have high hopes that Poe can wind up being elite, especially if he is utilized in an attacking defense.

[xztop123]

Poe's arms are too short. all his pressure are going to be incredibly high effort leg drive push.... he's not going to get any of those instant hand battle victory pressures...

[themanwithnoname]

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

Powe or Poe?

I guess I just don't get the hype for Powe. He's struggled to just get on the field. That's not a condemnation really (especially considering our incompetent coaching), as I'd love for him to be Dan Saleamua but I'm just not really understanding why people are talking like he's some hyped up 1st round pick that's already started for a couple of years and is primed to break out or something.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm intrigued by how the dline performs under some real coaching and a good scheme that fits its players. I can't wait to see how this D performs in an attacking system. I like Poe and think he can be really good. Well see how he develops in year 2. I think Powe can be a good rotational lineman that generates pressure inside. Would like to see him and Poe side by side to stop the run.

[UberSparky]

I did, and they are very similar

Poe: games 16, batted passes 4, sacks 0, tackles 28, asst 10

Ngata: games 16, batted passes 2, sacks 1, tackles 13, asst 8

If I am not mistaken Ngata made the probowl with those numbers! That says a lot.

[DJ's left nut]

In order of preference:

1. Trade up for Tannehill
2. Take one of the pass rushers that were available to us (Ingram, Mercilus, or Coples)
3. Brockers (or Cox, though I question how he would fit in our 3-4. I did NOT see him falling to us at all in the mock draft process)

Or anybody else. I saw Dontari Poe's tape and that made me really sour. When a guard from Arkansas freakin State dominates you, that's when I start to question if you're worth the 11th overall.

The big guy's still got a long way to go, but it at least looks like the changes in coaching are making a huge impact.

I like the trade up for Tannehill first
Then Brockers
Then DeCastro.

I'd have been right on 1 and 2, but Poe looks like he's going to be a decent player and still has the potential to be far more than that. Taking DeCastro over him would've been a mistake.

I think we have a nice player on our hands in Poe.

[BossChief]

1a) trade up for Tannehill
1b) Barron
3) Mercilus
4) Ingram
5) trade down

I think that was my top 5

Poe looked like he was coming along nicely as the year progressed, though, and seems to have a chance to be special.

[milkman]

I didn't expect the Chiefs to trade up for Tannehill.

He was my first choice at 11 if he fell, with Barron 2nd, and Ingram 3rd.