Star Trek Nerds : This Would Have Been So Cool...

[mikey23545]

A Life-Sized Starship Enterprise?
It almost happened -- in Vegas!


This story has been floating around for a few days now, but it's almost too difficult to talk about because of what we lost. For there was a time when mankind almost got a life-sized Starship Enterprise.

Yes, all of humanity's woes could've been wiped away if this wondrous project had gone ahead, but alas it was not to be. Gary Goddard recounts on The Goddard Group blog the project his design firm worked on in the early 1990s in an attempt to revitalize downtown Las Vegas. "It would create a new '8th Wonder of the World,'" he writes, "with an iconic monument that would take its place alongside other 'must see' monuments in the world. (You would be able to see this from the airplanes as they came for landing at the Vegas airport. It's that big.)"

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Of course, visitors would be able to board the vessel. "Conceptually, it was to be a 'tour' of the ship, with all of the key rooms, chambers, decks, and corridors that we knew from the movie. There was to be the dining area for the ship's crew (where you could dine in Star Fleet comfort), and other special features. There were also one or two interesting ride elements that we were considering including a high-speed travelator that would whisk you from deck to deck. But we were really just getting into the show aspects when everything came to a head."


In other words, when the warp-drive brakes were slammed on the project. It all came down to Paramount CEO Stanley Jaffe. After five months of work, the plan was presented to him. This is how Goddard remembers the exec responding:

"You know, this is a major project. You're going to put a full-scale Enterprise up in the heart of Las Vegas. And on one hand that sounds exciting. But on another hand, it might not be a great idea for us -- for Paramount. … In the movie business, when we produce a big movie and it's a flop -- we take some bad press for a few weeks or a few months, but then it goes away. The next movie comes out and everyone forgets. But THIS -- this is different. If this doesn't work -- if this is not a success -- it's there, forever…"


And that was the end of it. But maybe it's for the best. After all, everyone knows that the Enterprise was not designed to exist within a planetary atmosphere anyway. That's why they built it on Earth but assembled it in space!

[NewChief]

Just to piggyback on the Star Trek nerd thing:

http://www.artemis.eochu.com/

I've heard really good things about this, but I'm not really into ST. It's getting good press in gamer circles.

[notorious]

I don't blame them for not building it, even though it would have been cool as hell.

[mikey23545]

I don't blame them for not building it, even though it would have been cool as hell.

I wonder if it would have had crew quarters you could stay in?

That would beat the shit out of any normal hotel or casino (well, at least for a nerd it would)...

[whoman69]

My wife got all pissy when we went to Vegas and we missed Star Trek the experience. I would have to go back again for this. Stupid decision. Would have been the most popular thing on the strip at least for a time.

[Frazod]

That certainly would have got me to go to Vegas.

[milkman]

I wonder if it would have had crew quarters you could stay in?

That would beat the shit out of any normal hotel or casino (well, at least for a nerd it would)...

It would be even cooler if they were realistic crew quarters, where you have a 1000 people crammed into a small area.

[Deberg_1990]

That would have been so sweet.

but they shut down the Star Trek Experience thing in Vegas due to lack of interest right?

[mikey23545]

That would have been so sweet.

but they shut down the Star Trek Experience thing in Vegas due to lack of interest right?

Yes, but honestly that was pretty cheesy...I'm not surprised it didn't last.

[Munson]

I'm not a Trekkie, but I would've liked to see it happen.

[Hammock Parties]

I would have paid many cash monies to visit such a locale.

[007]

An Enterprise E would have been stellar.

[RealSNR]

This is much cheaper and almost as cool:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/84187960/star-trek-deep-space-nine-clock?ref=sr_gallery_9&ga_search_query=clock&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_page=2&ga_search_type=handmade

[Jamie]

I wonder if it would have had crew quarters you could stay in?

That would beat the shit out of any normal hotel or casino (well, at least for a nerd it would)...

Apparently it wouldn't have. What I've read is that the whole thing came about because the downtown hotels were looking for an attraction that could draw business for them. So they weren't looking to build a competitor. When the Enterprise idea got killed they built that light up awning thing instead.

[Hammock Parties]

An Enterprise E would have been stellar.

Hell no.

Enterprise D or original Enterprise only.

And I would have built the thing so I could walk on the bridge of every Enterprise.

[Hammock Parties]

If I was a billionaire I'd fund this shit fo sho.

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

The force just wasn't with this project.







Bwhahahah

[mikey23545]

Apparently it wouldn't have. What I've read is that the whole thing came about because the downtown hotels were looking for an attraction that could draw business for them. So they weren't looking to build a competitor. When the Enterprise idea got killed they built that light up awning thing instead.


Well, it would have been an awful waste of cubic feet then.

[mikey23545]

If I was a billionaire I'd fund this shit fo sho.

Indeed.

[Lonewolf Ed]

That certainly would have got me to go to Vegas.

This!

[Psyko Tek]

I loved the star trek experience thing
went with my oldest he was 5 at the time
he loved it
he is a life long trekkie now
we saw the new movie together 3 years ? ago
we watch TNG together , I sneak in TOS when I can, he has seen the odd numbered movies
Live long and perspire

[whoman69]

I loved the star trek experience thing
went with my oldest he was 5 at the time
he loved it
he is a life long trekkie now
we saw the new movie together 3 years ? ago
we watch TNG together , I sneak in TOS when I can, he has seen the odd numbered movies
Live long and perspire

You trying to torture the boy with the odd numbered movies? Please just keep him away from Star Trek V: The Search for God

[whoman69]

The force just wasn't with this project.







Bwhahahah

The nerd police will get you for mixing your genres.

[whoman69]

Hell no.

Enterprise D or original Enterprise only.

And I would have built the thing so I could walk on the bridge of every Enterprise.

I'd be cool with any design except the Edselprise from the reboot.

[Psyko Tek]

You trying to torture the boy with the odd numbered movies? Please just keep him away from Star Trek V: The Search for God

aww fuck its the even numbers that rock
sorry
both boys saw them
I am shamed

[Frazod]

Star Trek movie ratings:

I It was great when I was 14. Sucks now. BOOOOOOOOOOOORING.
II Best of the bunch. Awesome. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
III Tolerable. Some good parts. Also some bad parts. Shitty new Saavik. Sets so horrible they reminded me of the original series.
IV Okay, I guess. Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek. Fuck the whales - I want space battles.
V Horrible.
VI Awesome. Great villain. Great battles.
VII Tolerable. I probably like it more than I should.
VIII Awesome, although it loses some luster if you watch the Red Letter Media review, because he makes some excellent points.
IX Abominable. Worst of the bunch. So bad it made V look okay. A lame TNG episode stretched out into a movie.
X Tolerable. Weakest of the even numbers. Basically a rip off of II, and the dune buggy scene made me want to shoot somebody with a disruptor.
XI Star Trek meets Star Wars. Silly but great fun.

Best to worst: II, XI, VIII, VI, III, IV, VII, X, I, V, IX

[Planetman]

I heard the project got the axe because no one could figure out how to correctly construct the Heisenberg compensator.

[007]

Hell no.

Enterprise D or original Enterprise only.

And I would have built the thing so I could walk on the bridge of every Enterprise.

I was originally going to say the D but figured people would be more interested in the newer shiner sleeker version. I think D would have been kind of bland for Vegas.

[Hammock Parties]

D has the most recognizable locations.

[Planetman]

I was originally going to say the D but figured people would be more interested in the newer shiner sleeker version. I think D would have been kind of bland for Vegas.
One word.

Holodeck.

[007]

D has the most recognizable locations.

D was also the largest if I remember right. Thing was a damn monster.

[Hammock Parties]

One word.

Holodeck.

Engineering, bro.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/d/d2/Enterprise_D-Engineering.jpg

[Hammock Parties]

Having a drink at ten forward, hell yeah.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/6/68/Ten_Forward_(overview).jpg

[Planetman]

Engineering, bro.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/d/d2/Enterprise_D-Engineering.jpg
Meh. If you've seen one warp core, you've seen them all.
Having a drink at ten forward, hell yeah.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/6/68/Ten_Forward_(overview).jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s112/ajlobster/Hollow%20Pursuits/Screenshot2010-08-31at92524PM.png
:shake:

[mikey23545]

Having a drink at ten forward, hell yeah.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/6/68/Ten_Forward_(overview).jpg

Now that would have made me start drinking again!

[Bowser]

Start your nerd boners, gentlermen.....


Since its first appearance on the original "Star Trek" series in 1966, the starship Enterprise has become a symbol for space travel. Recently, an anonymous engineerclaimed that an approximation of this iconic ship could be built in the next two decades. But just how close is mankind to zipping through the stars at warp speed?

On the website BuildTheEnterprise.org, a self-proclaimed engineer who identifies himself only as "BTE-Dan" suggests that a working facsimile of the iconic ship could be built and launched over the next 20 to 30 years. The ship would require a few modifications, but would look a great deal like Captain Kirk's famous ship.

Built in space, the ship would never visit the surface of any moon or planet, and so would never need to reach the high speeds necessary to escape surface gravity. The engines would be powered by nuclear reactors onboard the ship, and use argon rather than xenon for propellant, saving a few hundred billion dollars in cost. As an added bonus, BTE-Dan notes that argon can be mined from the atmosphere of Mars.

Although such a ship would a lack a warp drive (the technology that allows the "Star Trek" version to zip between stars across the galaxy), it could reach the moon in three days and Mars in three months. BTE-Dan suggests it might function as a combination of a space station and a space port, allowing humans to orbit planets and moons within the solar system while using a "universal lander" to travel to and from their surfaces. Such a spaceship could house 1,000 people within its gravity wheel. [The Top 10 Star Trek Technologies]

The entire ship would be more than 3,000 feet (almost 1 kilometer) long, with its central disk making up nearly half its length.

According to the website, much of the technology needed to build the ship described is within our grasp, including the rotating gravity wheel, which could be suspended by electromagnets within a vacuum to eliminate mechanical wear and tear. Also easily within reach, he claims, are a 1.5 GWe (gigawatt electrical) nuclear reactor safe to carry in a spacecraft, and composite materials that would save mass, add strength and improve radiation shielding.

Design challenges

BTE-Dan describes himself as a systems and electrical engineer who has spent the past 30 years employed at a Fortune 500 company. He is presently declining interviews.

Though the prospect of a real-life Enterprise is appealing, the proposed ship is not without problems.

Adam Crowl, an engineer with Icarus Interstellar Inc., a nonprofit foundation dedicated to interstellar exploration, pointed out that a spaceship built with a sufficiently powerful nuclear reactor would need large thermal radiators, ruining the classic Enterprise look.

"Engineering physics doesn't respect our aesthetics," he told SPACE.com by email.

BTE-Dan's ship is essentially an iconic replica of the famous starship, and may not be practical.

"I would love to see 1,000 people go to Mars, but I need convincing that they need to be on the Enterprise to do so," said Crowl.

Other engineers said the similarities between BTE-Dan's ship and the Enterprise are only skin-deep.

"He wants to build something using foreseeable technology that just looks like the Enterprise," said Marc Millis, an aerospace engineer at NASA's Glenn Research Center. "It's nowhere close to being what the Enterprise is."

Still, the site received so many visits soon after its launch that it crashed, revealing how appealing the idea is to many people.



Today's technology

Though some aspects of the Enterprise are far out of reach today, many are within our grasp, and some are part of our daily lives. Sliding doors, futuristic in the 1960s, now welcome almost every grocery store visitor, and today's flip-open cellphones resemble Star Trek's tricorders. The touch-screen devices ubiquitous today even look like those used in the 1990s episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation."

"If you had shown someone an iPad in the 1990s and told them it was 23rd century technology, they would have believed you," Richard Obousy, co-founder and president of Icarus Interstellar Inc., told SPACE.com.

Advances with 3D printers also provide opportunities for voyages through space, allowing the replication of parts while using materials found at the destination. Andreas Hein, an aerospace engineer also with Icarus Interstellar, suggested that it might not be long before such printers make food similar to the way meals were synthesized by replicators on the Enterprise.

Additionally, engineers working at NASA's Advanced Propulsion Physics Laboratory, informally known as Eagleworks, are working on a Q-thruster that bears a striking resemblance to the impulse engines on the Enterprise.

Nuclear woes

Millis suggested the next step in rocket propulsion will likely include utilizing a nuclear power source, an option that is stymied by the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. He acknowledged that the barriers aren't just political ones, as people are nervous about the idea of launching nuclear rockets from Earth's surface, despite the fact that it could be done safely.

Obousy agreed that nuclear rockets could provide the necessary thrust, pointing to the large, multibillion-dollar projects around the world seeking ways to unlock fusion as an energy source. Of course, such projects primarily focus on powering homes and cities on Earth, but once unlocked, fusion could be used to travel through the stars. [Gallery: Visions of Future Human Spaceflight]

"In terms of propulsion technology, fusion engines are potentially within a generation or two," Obousy said, though he added that sudden technological jumps could accelerate the process.

Visiting a planet without being seen may also be not too far out of reach.

"We're doing things with meta-materials that'll allow practical cloaking, maybe even invisibility," Crowl said.

Gravity presents one of the greatest challenges: The Enterprise of television and the movies lacks a gravity wheel, instead utilizing synthetic gravity. According to Millis, if we could find a way to master gravitational forces, such technology could also be utilized in tractor beams or the ship's propulsion.



Warp speed ahead

"Star Trek"-like propulsion remains a key problem. Fans are familiar with the warp drive, which accelerated the ship faster than the speed of light and allowed its crew to zip between stars. Such travel defies our present understanding of physics.

"I think this is one of the most important aspects that prevents an Enterprise-type ship in the near future," Hein said.

Obousy agreed. "One of the staples of these warp drives is that they require an exotic form of energy that we have not been able to create in the labs, dark energy being the salient example," he said.

Dark energy is the unexplained force behind the accelerated expansion of the universe. Scientists don't yet understand what it is, which makes it a challenge to use in propulsion.

A warp drive would require an enormous amount of energy. Theoretical calculations using dark energy to move a starship would require more energy than that contained within the planet Jupiter, making it uneconomical.

In the "Star Trek" universe, the warp drive relied on antimatter. When matter and antimatter annihilate one another, the energy produced is immense. Though such an energy source could conceivably power the ship, it is available only briefly.

Crowl pointed out that antimatter technology itself is developing rapidly. Ultra-high intensity lasers may soon allow it to be directly created from energy, and useful amounts may be trapped in the magnetic fields of planets like Earth and Saturn.

But, like dark energy, antimatter may prove to be more trouble than it's worth.

"Using antimatter right now is very expensive," Millis said. "But that doesn't mean that it always will be."

When mankind finally travels to the stars, we may have to forgo warp speed for something else, such as the manipulation of space-time itself. According to Albert Einstein, nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light. But Millis points out that such limits do not necessarily apply to space-time. Theories in peer-reviewed journals explore the possibility of surrounding a craft with a bubble of space-time that expands and contracts, perhaps allowing it to exceed the speed of light.

"It's the difference between moving a pencil across a piece of paper or moving the whole paper," Millis said. [Video: Warp Drives and Worm Holes]

Beam me up, Scotty

Another potential challenge to recreating the "Star Trek" universe is the system of matter transmission. The crew often traveled to a planet by transporter, beaming from the Enterprise directly to the surface by way of machines that could scan a body, atom-by-atom, and then recreate it in another place.

Recent advances have been made in quantum teleportation, but Obousy and Millis both stressed the difference from "Star Trek"-style travel.

In quantum teleportation, "it's not the same photon you started out with, but a replica," said Obousy.

Such travel would require enormous precision.

"If you were going to recreate a human being transported from one place to another, you'd want to make sure everything's in the exact place," he said.

Millis suggested that, rather than matter transmission, scientists might one day learn how to utilize very small wormholes for travel.

"Of course, if you put mass through it, it might make the wormhole collapse," he noted.

Ultimately, the greatest challenge to replicating the Star Trek journeys may not come from the technological front.

"One of the things that I really liked about watching [the show] was the very good behavior of the crew," Millis said. "The prejudices and petty human differences that make up so much of television are pretty much absent. When I think about relative impossibilities, I think it will be easier to make technology for the starship Enterprise than to finally make humans behave that honorably."

http://news.yahoo.com/could-build-star-treks-starship-enterprise-145851245.html

[KChiefer]

DUDE! You could play poker with Jonathan Frakes. There could be a holodeck that's a terrarium for weddings. Another thats a strip club. There could be a room full of tribbles for the kids.

[007]

DUDE! You could play poker with Jonathan Frakes. There could be a holodeck that's a terrarium for weddings. Another thats a strip club. There could be a room full of tribbles for the kids.

Or you could try to kick Worf's ass.

[KChiefer]

Or you could try to kick Worf's ass.

I'd rather wrestle with Yar :)