Good Deal for the Orlando Magic ?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Details of potential Dwight Howard trade leaking. Magic get Lopez, picks.

Kurt Helin

Jul 9, 2012, 2:26 PM EDT
3 Comments
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We start with this disclaimer — this deal is not yet approved. And complex deals can fall apart fast.

But this one is picking up steam and details of what the Dwight Howard three-team trade involving the Nets and Cavaliers are starting to leak out.

The deal remains in flux, but Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports (and who you can see on the NBC Sports Network tonight) broke down the details of the trade as of right now.

In the proposed deal, Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets’ Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland’s Luke Walton and three future first-round picks, sources said. Cleveland would receive Orlando’s Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn’s Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send (MarShon) Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic.

There are a lot of questions. Will Humphries sign a one-year deal in Cleveland or will he demand the security of a multi-year deal. Will Brooks agree to sign wherever he might land? What kind of picks can the Nets get for MarShon Brooks?

Then the big one, is this the best the Magic can do?

It’s a whole lot less than the Hornets were able to get back for Chris Paul.

You never get equal value trading an NBA superstar. There are maybe 10 (Bobcats GM Rich Cho will say less than that) in the NBA and you need one or more to win. When you get one, you fight not to let him go. And if you have to move him you never get equal value because you’re not getting another franchise anchor back.

But the question becomes, how much can you get back? What is enough?

That’s the question Orlando’s front office is weighing.

The Nets are pushing for it because if they land Howard to go with Deron Williams and Joe Johnson, they are a powerhouse title contender.


What say you?

[the Talking Can]

it's a bunch of trash and likely mid-to-low 1st round picks...but it's probably the best they can do since Howard has been such a wishy washy loser throughout the process

[Reaper16]

I was really hoping that the Magic would get Marshon Brooks.

If this deal goes through, the Magic will be the worst team in the NBA next season, and one of the worst in league history. But whatever; they're clearly in a needed full-rebuild. It'll take awhile to undo all the bullshit that former GM Otis Smith caused the team to suffer. Hell, the Magic are still paying Gilbert Arenas $20 million in each of the next two seasons. Thanks, Otis, you fuck.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I was really hoping that the Magic would get Marshon Brooks.

If this deal goes through, the Magic will be the worst team in the NBA next season, and one of the worst in league history. But whatever; they're clearly in a needed full-rebuild. It'll take awhile to undo all the bullshit that former GM Otis Smith caused the team to suffer. Hell, the Magic are still paying Gilbert Arenas $20 million in each of the next two seasons. Thanks, Otis, you fuck.

Yeah, I've always liked the Magic, I was thrilled when Rashard went there. Fucking shame to see all of this unfold.

[mcaj22]

why would the Magic not want Marshon Brooks?

he's an instant starter/offensive output on that team especially since they just gave away their best scorer (Ryan Anderson) to Stern's Hornets for a bag of cheese curls and some pokemon cards. They need offense.

[dirk digler]

I would be interested to see what the Lakers are offering if they are involved that is. Otherwise I agree with Talking Can.

[BigCatDaddy]

I would be interested to see what the Lakers are offering if they are involved that is. Otherwise I agree with Talking Can.

Probably broke dick Bynum and a pile of shit.

[Reaper16]

why would the Magic not want Marshon Brooks?

I literally have no idea. I'm using "literally" correctly in that sentence; I don't have even one idea.

[Reaper16]

I would be interested to see what the Lakers are offering if they are involved that is. Otherwise I agree with Talking Can.

The Magic would prefer to get Bynum. The problem is that Bynum won't agree to sign an extension with Orlando.

[DTLB58]

Details of potential Dwight Howard trade leaking. Magic get Lopez, picks.

Kurt Helin

Jul 9, 2012, 2:26 PM EDT
3 Comments
Orlando Magic v New York Knicks Getty Images

We start with this disclaimer — this deal is not yet approved. And complex deals can fall apart fast.

But this one is picking up steam and details of what the Dwight Howard three-team trade involving the Nets and Cavaliers are starting to leak out.

The deal remains in flux, but Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports (and who you can see on the NBC Sports Network tonight) broke down the details of the trade as of right now.

In the proposed deal, Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets’ Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland’s Luke Walton and three future first-round picks, sources said. Cleveland would receive Orlando’s Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn’s Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send (MarShon) Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic.

There are a lot of questions. Will Humphries sign a one-year deal in Cleveland or will he demand the security of a multi-year deal. Will Brooks agree to sign wherever he might land? What kind of picks can the Nets get for MarShon Brooks?

Then the big one, is this the best the Magic can do?

It’s a whole lot less than the Hornets were able to get back for Chris Paul.

You never get equal value trading an NBA superstar. There are maybe 10 (Bobcats GM Rich Cho will say less than that) in the NBA and you need one or more to win. When you get one, you fight not to let him go. And if you have to move him you never get equal value because you’re not getting another franchise anchor back.

But the question becomes, how much can you get back? What is enough?

That’s the question Orlando’s front office is weighing.

The Nets are pushing for it because if they land Howard to go with Deron Williams and Joe Johnson, they are a powerhouse title contender.


What say you?

Is this someone's fantasy trade? Basketball is weird. They throw around 1st rd picks like monopoly money.

[dirk digler]

Probably broke dick Bynum and a pile of shit.

I don't consider Bynum a broke dick but you are probably right about the rest a pile of shit

The Magic would prefer to get Bynum. The problem is that Bynum won't agree to sign an extension with Orlando.

I just read that Bynum would like to go to Houston or Cleveland. I guess players don't like Orlando for some reason if you are choosing Cleveland over them.

[Reaper16]

I don't consider Bynum a broke dick but you are probably right about the rest a pile of shit



I just read that Bynum would like to go to Houston or Cleveland. I guess players don't like Orlando for some reason if you are choosing Cleveland over them.

Orlando is much further behind in rebuilding than Cleveland is. Bynum would compete faster in Cleveland.

[vailpass]

Years from now history will show that the lynchpin of this deal is Luke Walton.

[Thig Lyfe]

I just read that Bynum would like to go to Houston or Cleveland. I guess players don't like Orlando for some reason if you are choosing Cleveland over them.

Maybe he likes the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame more than he likes Epcot.

[lcarus]

I was really hoping that the Magic would get Marshon Brooks.

If this deal goes through, the Magic will be the worst team in the NBA next season, and one of the worst in league history. But whatever; they're clearly in a needed full-rebuild. It'll take awhile to undo all the bullshit that former GM Otis Smith caused the team to suffer. Hell, the Magic are still paying Gilbert Arenas $20 million in each of the next two seasons. Thanks, Otis, you fuck.

God damn, so was I. Wtf? Otis really fucked us over big time. All because he is "friends" with Gilbert fucking Arenas. What a doofus. That's no way to do business.

[NJChiefsFan]

Yeah it doesn't make sense. Nets would be trading Brooks to get a first round pick to send to Orlando. Orlando would be better off, or atleast much safer, to just take Brooks. Kid has looked great for us so far.

[chiefzilla1501]

Pretty happy with the direction of the Cavs. Pretty unbelievable that the Cavs pretty much only have to give up Luke Walton to get a first round pick, not to mention a good Power Forward that they may or may not keep.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Veto that shit Stern!

[The Bad Guy]

It's an awful return for the Magic. If maxing out Lopez is the only option, I just let Howard walk.

I can't state enough how much I hate Brook Lopez's game.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Bynum fucked everything up when he said yesterday he didn't want to resign.

[Ceej]

NBA and their clusterfuck trades.

Goodness.

[The Bad Guy]

Bynum ****ed everything up when he said yesterday he didn't want to resign.

Bynum wants his own team and wants to get paid next year. Orlando is probably the perfect fit for that to happen.

Orlando and LA should call both their bluffs and see next year when they can offer each more money than anyone if they turn it down.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Sources: Orlando Magic have informed Dwight Howard that they are suspending trade talks in favor of finding next head coach.

[Mr. Laz]

NBA and their clusterfuck trades.

Goodness.


it's what happens when the players get too much power over them

[-King-]

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Sources: Orlando Magic have informed Dwight Howard that they are suspending trade talks in favor of finding next head coach.

ROFL
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[Mr. Laz]

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[Sassy Squatch]

Won't Howard just walk to the Nets next year anyway?

[DJ's left nut]

Won't Howard just walk to the Nets next year anyway?

Probably not.

If the Nets extend Lopez, they won't have any cap space for him. Even if they don't extend Lopez (unlikely), they won't have his 'Bird' rights, so whoever trades for him could offer him an extra year and a few more million/season on his max-deal.

If the Lakers or Rockets trade for him, there's an excellent chance that he re-signs there. It's an extra $20+ million as well as the immediate security of a long-term extension.

[loochy]

This CBA crap doesn't make sense. F that racket.

[whoman69]

Bynum wants his own team and wants to get paid next year. Orlando is probably the perfect fit for that to happen.

Orlando and LA should call both their bluffs and see next year when they can offer each more money than anyone if they turn it down.

Bynum knows that they will not put any talent around him in Orlando. If its just for a paycheck, he can go anywhere.

[Buck]

Bynum knows that they will not put any talent around him in Orlando. If its just for a paycheck, he can go anywhere.

No income tax in Florida.

[DJ's left nut]

Bynum knows that they will not put any talent around him in Orlando. If its just for a paycheck, he can go anywhere.

Why do you say that? Orlando has never been known as a 'skinflint' franchise. They're a well-run organization for the most part, they just tend to have an implosion every decade or so due to an enigmatic superstar. They've never shown an inclination towards nickle and diming players or anything.

Howard's really be the shit in all this. The Magic have really worked hard to put a team around him and several time had a team that was conference championship caliber. Howard's offensive limitations are as much to blame for their failure to win a title as anything the Magic has done.

If Bynum goes there, they'll probably suck for a season or two in the hopes of grabbing a high draft pick that will allow them to put talent around him. They'll probably also overpay for a 2nd level FA but that's the nature of the league.

Bynum will be as well off in Orlando as he would be in Houston or anywhere else that he wants to be 'top dog'. If he wants to go to a 'superteam', he's not going to get to be the Alpha and by all accounts that's what he's after.

There's no reason for him to bristle at the thought of getting dealt to Orlando, except for the fact that he's something of a petulant, entitled shithead.

[Mr. Laz]

isn't Orlando is salary cap hell because the spent everything trying to get enough talent to make Howard Happy? They are a destination type location and they are willing to spend money.

Howard is just a big baby

NBA
Team Payrolls
1. Los Angeles Lakers $79,827,237
2. Orlando Magic $77,978,342
3. Miami Heat $77,322,600
4. Memphis Grizzlies $62,418,406
5. Detroit Pistons $61,679,867
6. Atlanta Hawks $60,921,971
7. Utah Jazz $60,110,221
8. New York Knicks $59,950,617
9 Los Angeles Clippers $57,447,045
10. Golden State Warrior $56,164,937

Orlando Magic
Player 2011/2012 2012/2013 2013/2014 2014/2015 2015/2016 2016/2017 Total
Dwight Howard $18,091,770 $19,536,360 N/A N/A N/A N/A $37,628,130
Hidayet Turkoglu $11,015,850 $11,815,850 $12,000,000 N/A N/A N/A $34,831,700
Jameer Nelson $8,600,000 $8,600,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A $17,200,000
J.J. Redick $6,750,000 $6,190,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A $12,940,000
Glen Davis $6,300,000 $6,400,000 $6,400,000 $6,600,000 N/A N/A $25,700,000
Jason Richardson $5,395,000 $5,799,625 $6,204,250 $6,601,125 N/A N/A $24,000,000
Chris Duhon $3,250,000 $3,250,000 $3,500,000 N/A N/A N/A $10,000,000
Quentin Richard $2,446,200 $2,627,400 $2,808,600 N/A N/A N/A $7,882,200
Ryan Anderson $2,244,601 $3,234,470 N/A N/A N/A N/A $2,244,601
Earl Clark $1,160,000 $1,240,000 N/A N/A N/A N/A $2,400,000
Daniel Orton $1,105,560 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A $1,105,560
Von Wafer $1,069,509 $1,146,337 $1,265,977 N/A N/A N/A $3,481,823
Ish Smith $522,472 $1,054,389 N/A N/A N/A N/A $522,472
Larry Hughes * $479,806 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A $479,806
Justin Harper $473,604 $762,195 $1,059,293 N/A N/A N/A $1,235,799
DeAndre Liggins $473,604 $962,195 N/A N/A N/A N/A $473,604

Total salaries: $69,377,976 $67,367,767 $32,178,827 $13,201,105 $0 $0 $182,125,695
Total w/o options $69,377,976 $57,527,767 $29,370,227 $6,600,000 $0 $0

[mcaj22]

Magic are in cap hell because they are still paying off Gilbert Arenas thanks to that idiot Otis Smith lol

[DJ's left nut]

Magic are in cap hell because they are still paying off Gilbert Arenas thanks to that idiot Otis Smith lol

Did they not amnesty him? I thought they were out from under that deal.

[lcarus]

Magic are in cap hell because they are still paying off Gilbert Arenas thanks to that idiot Otis Smith lol

And they Pay too much for damn Turkoglu, Jason Richardson, and god awful Chris Duhon. Dwight wanted Big Baby. They got him. Dwight wanted Van Gundy and Otis Smith gone. They're gone. Dwight wanted Turkoglu. They got him. I say he needs to shut up and sign an extension.

[KevB]

Their cap hell started when they foolishly gave Rashard Lewis a max deal (6 yr, $110M) off a sign and trade with the Sonics. He seemed a good fit as a scorer and perimeter shooter to put with Howard, but it hamstrung them in putting additional pieces around them. A guy getting paid that money needs to be a D Wade or Westbrook caliber player, and Lewis certainly wasn't that.

[mcaj22]

Did they not amnesty him? I thought they were out from under that deal.


You are correct, it does not count against their cap or the luxury tax. But that awful contract had 60 million left on it, someone has to pay that to Arenas in full. So it makes the Magic a lot more reluctant to spend big money (as you can tell about them beating around the bush in all these trade talks, trying to dump the Richardsons or Duhon.) It's the principle of that team having to dish out all that money to a guy not even on the roster.

[lcarus]

Their cap hell started when they foolishly gave Rashard Lewis a max deal (6 yr, $110M) off a sign and trade with the Sonics. He seemed a good fit as a scorer and perimeter shooter to put with Howard, but it hamstrung them in putting additional pieces around them. A guy getting paid that money needs to be a D Wade or Westbrook caliber player, and Lewis certainly wasn't that.

Yep, that's true. It's just the Rashard deal was a little easier to swallow because he was great in the 2009 playoffs and made a bunch of huge clutch shots that got them to the NBA Finals. He averaged about 20 ppg in those playoffs. As much as he wasn't worth the contract he got, Arenas was way worse, and they traded Rashard for him. Plus they had a great asset in Gortat and they got crap for him. J-Rich was good with Nash and got hot at times, but he just wasn't...good.

[In58men]

Yep, that's true. It's just the Rashard deal was a little easier to swallow because he was great in the 2009 playoffs and made a bunch of huge clutch shots that got them to the NBA Finals. He averaged about 20 ppg in those playoffs. As much as he wasn't worth the contract he got, Arenas was way worse, and they traded Rashard for him. Plus they had a great asset in Gortat and they got crap for him. J-Rich was good with Nash and got hot at times, but he just wasn't...good.

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