**** Official 2012 Big 12 Football Thread ****

[Bambi]

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2012 Big 12 Media Days:

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The Big 12 officially welcomes its new members:

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Current Standings:

<pre> Big 12 Pct Streak Overall Pct Streak</pre>
<pre>Baylor 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Iowa State 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Kansas 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Kansas State 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Oklahoma 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Oklahoma State 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>TCU 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Texas 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>Texas Tech 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>
<pre>West Virginia 0-0 .000 - 0-0 .000 -</pre>

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[Bambi]

Regents approve new Baylor Football Stadium.

The trend of smaller capacity stadiums continues with Baylor, capping the attendance at 45,000.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/07/20/baylor-stadium.ap/index.html

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[Titty Meat]

Aka flyover conference day.

[Trevo_410]

This conference thread sucks ass...

[ILChief]

Why are boise state and byu not in the big 12?

[LiveSteam]

2012 Big 12 Media Days:

The day after pill. Make sure you use it.

[LiveSteam]

Why are boise state and byu not in the big 12?

Wickedson

[Bambi]

Walter Camp Award watch list:

Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State

Seth Doege, QB, Texas Tech

Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma

Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

Tyler Lockett, WR/KR, Kansas State

Nigel Malone, CB, Kansas State

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas

Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State

Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

Kenny Stills, WR, Oklahoma

[Bambi]

Media predicted order of finish:

1. Oklahoma (32) -- 396 total points
2. West Virginia (7) -- 339
3. Texas -- 291
4. Oklahoma State -- 267
5. TCU (1) -- 260
6. Kansas State (1) -- 257
7. Baylor -- 162
8. Iowa State -- 121
9. Texas Tech -- 116
10. Kansas -- 46

[Bugeater]

Shouldn't this be the ****Official KU finishes last in the Big XII**** thread?

[Bambi]

Why are boise state and byu not in the big 12?

BYU has been a rumored addition many times in the past couple years. Boise St. simply has no where close to the academic requirements for the Big 12 (I'm not sure they even have a US News and World Report ranking).

The Big 12 have stated publicly that they are happy with 10 members and the media deals being signed reflect that even at 10 members the Big 12 holds with all the other major conferences when it comes to value.

The only team publicly mentioned by Big 12 officials to be added is Notre Dame. Word is that the teams in the Big 12 have different thoughts on expansion; KSU, Baylor, WVU, TCU and Texas Tech all favor expansion... Texas, OU, OSU are against expansion at this time... Kansas, ISU are in the camp of willing to expand but with certain conditions that are to be met.

This is further discussed in the Conference Realignment thread. This thread is not for expansion. Only to discuss the football being played in the Big 12 this fall with a focus on the eight teams not in our local area. KU and KSU have their own football threads for this season which already include thousands of posts where you can find all the information you need on those teams.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I know Wickedson catches a lot of heat. But this is a good idea for a thread.

[Ceej]

...OUR TIME??

[Saul Good]

I know Wickedson catches a lot of heat. But this is a good idea for a thread.

A thread about the Big XII excluding Kansas, Kansas State, and expansion? Should be a hotbed of interesting posts.

[ArrowheadHawk]

A thread about the Big XII excluding Kansas, Kansas State, and expansion? Should be a hotbed of interesting posts.

What would it exclude those things?

[Ceej]

A thread about the Big XII excluding Kansas, Kansas State, and expansion? Should be a hotbed of interesting posts.

.....then don't read and/or post in it?????

[ArrowheadHawk]

I will be interested to see where TCU and WVU finish in the conference. Better than Mizzou would have?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Need the horns as a thread icon to have the correct thread designation.

[kstater]

I will be interested to see where TCU and WVU finish in the conference. Better than Mizzou would have?


Not too difficult to beat middle of the conference.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Can we leave the KU/MU piss contest to a minimum in this thread? They are no longer in the same conference so it's pointless and empty. Best of luck to the Tigers in the SEC.

I'm excited for this season and actually liked the Weis hire. It can't get worse, can it? lol. I'm excited to see how WV and TCU do. Can't wait! FOOTBALL IS BACK!

[Bambi]

A thread about the Big XII excluding Kansas, Kansas State, and expansion? Should be a hotbed of interesting posts.

Obviously KU and KSU should be discussed here in their relation to other Big 12 teams and their respective interaction with the conference.

I'm was more speaking to the minutiae and details when it comes to KU which have been discussed thoroughly in the KU thread. But if something happens that is of immediate impact and you don't want to wade through the thousands of posts in this years thread then feel free to post it here.

[Bambi]

Can we leave the KU/MU piss contest to a minimum in this thread? They are no longer in the same conference so it's pointless and empty. Best of luck to the Tigers in the SEC.

I'm excited for this season and actually liked the Weis hire. It can't get worse, can it? lol. I'm excited to see how WV and TCU do. Can't wait! FOOTBALL IS BACK!

I am too. TCU will be down with all the recent legal trouble their team has been through but they'll be plenty excited to come in and show they belong in a BCS level conference.

[Bambi]

I will be interested to see where TCU and WVU finish in the conference. Better than Mizzou would have?

I think WVU is going to win the whole thing. Geno Smith is my pick for Heisman as well. He's an awesome player.

[Bambi]

Need the horns as a thread icon to have the correct thread designation.

You're tired and played. Time to move on, we'd all appreciate it.

[Bambi]

...OUR TIME??

Will be tough. I think the only possible NC contenders out of this conference are Oklahoma and WVU. Nationally I think USC is going to be in the best position to take it all this year.

[Titty Meat]

Your 20 posts aren't going to keep this shitty thread going Wickedson.

[ArrowheadHawk]

It is way more interesting to me than any B1G thread.

[Bambi]

It is way more interesting to me than any B1G thread.

I'd be fine with a B1G thread. I may even post in it. Then again I think the B1G is going to be all Penn State for the next decade or so. Not sure how much football is going to matter in that region anymore.

[Titty Meat]

I'd be fine with a B1G thread. I may even post in it. Then again I think the B1G is going to be all Penn State for the next decade or so. Not sure how much football is going to matter in that region anymore.

I think Penn State will win more games than KU and even if the football program is abolished they'll still have the same number of conference wins as KU did last year.

[Bambi]

I think Penn State will win more games than KU and even if the football program is abolished they'll still have the same number of conference wins as KU did last year.

Cool. Feel free to start a thread about the Big 10 and Penn State's football future. As a KU fan I love the fact that my school has zero interaction with that institution.

[RustShack]

Florida St. will join the Big12, its just a matter of when.

[Saul Good]

The Big XII is naming their COTY award after Chuck Neinas. This is not a joke. They really are.

[Bambi]

The Big XII is naming their COTY award after Chuck Neinas. This is not a joke. They really are.

Just heard that. Nice honor for a man who's been involved since the Big 8 days.

[Reerun_KC]

Im pretty stoked.... Looking forward to the games.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Media predicted order of finish:

1. Oklahoma (32) -- 396 total points
2. West Virginia (7) -- 339
3. Texas -- 291
4. Oklahoma State -- 267
5. TCU (1) -- 260
6. Kansas State (1) -- 257
7. Baylor -- 162
8. Iowa State -- 121
9. Texas Tech -- 116
10. Kansas -- 46

When are people going to learn their lesson about KSU?
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[Saul Good]

When are people going to learn their lesson about KSU?
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Who would you put them above?

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Swap with OSU, wouldn't surprise me if they go higher than that. They just seem to overachieve yearly.
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[DeezNutz]

The Big XII is naming their COTY award after Chuck Neinas. This is not a joke. They really are.

Award to be handed out at Kemper Arena during Big XII basketball tournament.

[ChiTown]

Who would you put them above?

OSU lost a lot of weapons, and I am not sold on TCU at all. However, I think anywhere from 4-6 is reasonable.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

OSU lost a lot of weapons, and I am not sold on TCU at all. However, I think anywhere from 4-6 is reasonable.

Yeah, I think OSU is ripe for a disappointing year after their run last year.
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[Saulbadguy]

There is very little separating 3-6.

[Titty Meat]

Not sure why K-State is picked 6th. They lost one of the Browns if they could just lose the other they'd be the 2nd best team in conference.

[Saul Good]

There is very little separating 3-6.

Agreed, and the voting reflects it.

[ChiTown]

There is very little separating 3-6.

If UT finds an offense, they could win the B12. Their D is fuggin balls. Therefore, I think there are 3 tiers in the B12:

Tier 1
OU
WVU
UT

Tier 2
TCU
KSU
OSU

Tier 3
Baylor
ISU
TT

Somewhere in the depths of hell - ku

[Bambi]

First national poll has been released.

USA Today Poll

RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 LSU (18) 0-0 1403
2 Alabama (20) 0-0 1399
3 USC (19) 0-0 1388
4 Oklahoma 0-0 1276
5 Oregon 0-0 1258
6 Georgia 0-0 1061
7 Florida State 0-0 1055
8 Michigan 0-0 1023
9 South Carolina 0-0 981
10 Arkansas 0-0 948
11 West Virginia 0-0 833
12 Wisconsin 0-0 743
13 Michigan State 0-0 717
14 Clemson 0-0 598
15 Texas 0-0 549
16 Nebraska 0-0 501
17 TCU 0-0 499
18 Stanford 0-0 497
19 Oklahoma State 0-0 476
20 Virginia Tech 0-0 461
21 Kansas State 0-0 398
22 Boise State 0-0 271
23 Florida 0-0 250
24 Notre Dame 0-0 166
25 Auburn 0-0 66

Others receiving votes: Washington 64, Louisville 46, Georgia Tech 35, Cincinnati 32, Texas A&M 28, Baylor 23, Utah 22, Mississippi State 21, SOUFLA 12, NCSTATE 11, Louisiana Tech 10, Brigham Young 10, Virginia 9, Houston 7, Southern Miss 6, Rutgers 5, UCF 5, Tennessee 3, Missouri 3, FLAINTL 3, Northern Illinois 2, TEXASTECH 1

[Bambi]

TCU'S NEW COURT...

https://p.twimg.com/AxImULHCEAEPiB0.jpg

[Saul Good]

TCU'S NEW COURT...

https://p.twimg.com/AxImULHCEAEPiB0.jpg

KU fan posts a picture of a basketball court in a football thread. Nobody is surprised.

[Saulbadguy]

this is a football thread (that you started)

[Saul Good]

this is a football thread (that you started)

That's their football court.

[kstater]

Not sure why K-State is picked 6th. They lost one of the Browns if they could just lose the other they'd be the 2nd best team in conference.

wut

[Saulbadguy]

That's their football court.

Eventually it will get stormed and there will be a thread about it.

[RustShack]

QB to watch? Steele Jantz

[KChiefs1]

KU fan posts a picture of a basketball court in a football thread. Nobody is surprised.

Come on take it easy on them....it's all they have literally...I mean the rest of their athletic programs suck ass...men's basketball is all they have literally nothing else is worth a crap. Really! It's crazy how shitty their athletic programs are...just let them have their men's basketball...they have to have something.

[|Zach|]

LMAOLMAO

[DeezNutz]

TCU'S NEW COURT...

https://p.twimg.com/AxImULHCEAEPiB0.jpg

Almost room to put a track around it.

[KC native]

I'm sorry but I don't see why WVU is so highly touted. Their defense is garbage. The offense is outstanding, but the defense is going to cost them a few games.

[Bambi]

I'm sorry but I don't see why WVU is so highly touted. Their defense is garbage. The offense is outstanding, but the defense is going to cost them a few games.

The 70 they put on Clemson in the Orange Bowl is fueling a lot of it I'm sure. The last thing people remember seeing is those receivers and backs running through the ACC like butter.

I think Geno Smith is a great talent too.

But yes, you're right. The Big 12 is a different level when it comes to the offenses you have to go against. I think they'll do well but won't win it all.

[Bambi]

Come on take it easy on them....it's all they have literally...I mean the rest of their athletic programs suck ass...men's basketball is all they have literally nothing else is worth a crap. Really! It's crazy how shitty their athletic programs are...just let them have their men's basketball...they have to have something.

Really? Kansas finished 23rd in this years Capital One Cup Standings.

http://www.capitalonecup.com/standings

You're a Missouri fan right? I don't see them on the list. Can you tell me where they are please?

[chiefsfan987]

Really? Kansas finished 23rd in this years Capital One Cup Standings.

http://www.capitalonecup.com/standings

You're a Missouri fan right? I don't see them on the list. Can you tell me where they are please?

Yeah, KU athletics this past season wasn't that bad. Football was terrible but they had very good seasons in mens/womens basketball, track and field, the womens soccer team made the ncaa tourney etc. They are turning it around in some sports, hopefully football will follow.

[Braincase]

Yeah, KU athletics this past season wasn't that bad. Football was terrible but they had very good seasons in mens/womens basketball, track and field, the womens soccer team made the ncaa tourney etc. They are turning it around in some sports, hopefully football will follow.

Watch what happens with Men's Golf now as well. Hiring the coach away from CSU that's been to the NCAA's 12 out of 14 years ought to help.

[Reerun_KC]

Looks like a MU home game...

[KC native]

QB to watch? Steele Jantz

ROFL Really? Pachall will blow his numbers away this year.

[RustShack]

Keep dreaming.

[KC native]

Keep dreaming.

You've never watched Pachall play huh? That kid is huge and has a great arm couple that with our receiving corp and Pachall is going to have a good year. Pachall will be 2-5th best qb in the big 12 this year.

[Saulbadguy]

You've never watched Pachall play huh? That kid is huge and has a great arm couple that with our receiving corp and Pachall is going to have a good year. Pachall will be 2-5th best qb in the big 12 this year.

He's also a drug-addicted drug-dealing loser.

[KC native]

He's also a drug-addicted drug-dealing loser.

No, his roommate was the dealer and was expelled. Casey smoked some weed and did a little blow. OH. NOEZ COLLEDGE KIDZ DO THE DRUGZ!110101010011111!!!!!

[Saul Good]

He's also a drug-addicted drug-dealing loser.

But he deals them on time and in a spot where only his intended receivers can get to them.

[Saulbadguy]

No, his roommate was the dealer and was expelled. Casey smoked some weed and did a little blow. OH. NOEZ COLLEDGE KIDZ DO THE DRUGZ!110101010011111!!!!!

What a garbage program. Gary Patterson is truly a piece of shit.

[Bambi]

Yeah, KU athletics this past season wasn't that bad. Football was terrible but they had very good seasons in mens/womens basketball, track and field, the womens soccer team made the ncaa tourney etc. They are turning it around in some sports, hopefully football will follow.

Then this stuff..

http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2012/08/16/dixo_t650.jpg?eec9ecda5f66de59a37bbdb23c6f48523261b548

[KC native]

What a garbage program. Gary Patterson is truly a piece of shit.

I know. Terrible program and shitty head coach. Fitting that a Chiefs and Royals fan would cheer for them.

[RustShack]

You've never watched Pachall play huh? That kid is huge and has a great arm couple that with our receiving corp and Pachall is going to have a good year. Pachall will be 2-5th best qb in the big 12 this year.

I think you just described Steele.

[Bambi]

Hearing that Honey Badger might get back on the LSU team. If true then that will obviously confirm that the SEC_ is a fraud. Why even play teams from that conference. What a joke. Get lives and get some perspective. There's a reason why the NC title game featuring two SEC_ schools was the lowest rated ever. Most of us in the CFB world don't want to see programs that cheat and that's all the SEC_ is if they allow this. Its all they'll ever be.

[SPchief]

Who takes the bait? Is it Saul or Kstater?

[Bambi]

I think you just described Steele.

Lots of QBs looking to make noise in the Big 12 this year.

We can argue all we want but I personally can't wait to see what these guys have in store for us. Going to be a great year...

[Saulbadguy]

Who takes the bait? Is it Saul or Kstater?

Why on earth do you think either of us would "take bait?" We aren't that stupid.

[Saulbadguy]

Hearing that Honey Badger might get back on the LSU team. If true then that will obviously confirm that the SEC_ is a fraud. Why even play teams from that conference. What a joke. Get lives and get some perspective. There's a reason why the NC title game featuring two SEC_ schools was the lowest rated ever. Most of us in the CFB world don't want to see programs that cheat and that's all the SEC_ is if they allow this. Its all they'll ever be.

KU let Aqib Talib play.

[Imon Yourside]

KU let Aqib Talib play.

Point?

[Saulbadguy]

Point?

Same situation. Even the same position.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Really? Kansas finished 23rd in this years Capital One Cup Standings.

http://www.capitalonecup.com/standings

You're a Missouri fan right? I don't see them on the list. Can you tell me where they are please?

....and KU finished last in the Border War Series by a good margain. Not a good year to be talking smack on head 2 head stuff. It really was Domin8ing :whackit:

[Bambi]

KU let Aqib Talib play.

I don't recall KU "kicking Talib off the team".

I have no problem with having first time offenders being given another chance.

But to act all high and mighty by dismissing a player for multiple offenses but then simply bringing them back on board in the attempt to win more football games is hypocrisy at it's finest. No redeeming quality to it. As if nothing from the Penn State situation has been learned.

Let's just hope what's being talked about isn't true.

[Bambi]

....and KU finished last in the Border War Series by a good margain. Not a good year to be talking smack on head 2 head stuff. It really was Domin8ing :whackit:

KU doesn't care about competition with Missouri. KU cares about what it does nationally.

That's why a program like KU finishes 23rd in the country and MU is well.....nowhere.

I think it's time MU stopped worrying about KU so much and actually starting winning. Just a thought

[Saulbadguy]

I don't recall KU "kicking Talib off the team".

I have no problem with having first time offenders being given another chance.

But to act all high and mighty by dismissing a player for multiple offenses but then simply bringing them back on board in the attempt to win more football games is hypocrisy at it's finest. No redeeming quality to it. As if nothing from the Penn State situation has been learned.

Let's just hope what's being talked about isn't true.

yeah, slightly different. He never got kicked off the team but failed multiple (more than 3) drug tests.

I don't think you can equate failing drug tests to the Penn State situation. As long as they aren't PEDs I don't really care.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

KU doesn't care about competition with Missouri. KU cares about what it does nationally.

That's why a program like KU finishes 23rd in the country and MU is well.....nowhere.

I think it's time MU stopped worrying about KU so much and actually starting winning. Just a thought

I know that. That's why they've elected to hide like a bitch and not play them.

Maybe focus a bit on winning a conference game there sweet pea???

[Bambi]

I know that. That's why they've elected to hide like a bitch and not play them.

Maybe focus a bit on winning a conference game there sweet pea???

Don't know how else to tell you no one at Kansas really cares. Thought this has been covered.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You care so little, you responded to the same post twice.

[RustShack]

I'm so jacked for this season. While odds are pretty good we still wont make a BCS Bowl, this could be one of the best seasons ISU has ever had in football. We will also have a great basketball team too. Plus the Chiefs are looking up, oh baby what a year this could be for me!

[Saul Good]

I'm so jacked for this season. While odds are pretty good we still wont make a BCS Bowl, this could be one of the best seasons ISU has ever had in football. We will also have a great basketball team too. Plus the Chiefs are looking up, oh baby what a year this could be for me!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but ISU isn't even making a bowl game.

Vegas puts their win total at 4.5.

[Saulbadguy]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but ISU isn't even making a bowl game.

Vegas puts their win total at 4.5.

They will win 6 games.

[RustShack]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but ISU isn't even making a bowl game.

Vegas puts their win total at 4.5.

I think we were projected to win two the last few years. I'm not too worried since this is the first time Iowa State has actually looked like a B12 team with all the size and speed across the board.

[RustShack]

They will win 6 games.

This is essentially the college version of the Chiefs, great defense and great running game this year with an abundance of weapons at WR. It all depends on the QB, and even Jantz is more talented than Cassel.

[KC native]

This is essentially the college version of the Chiefs, great defense and great running game this year with an abundance of weapons at WR. It all depends on the QB, and even Jantz is more talented than Cassel.

ROFL I have seen it mentioned that you do this every year for ISU. They'll be lucky to 6 games,

[RustShack]

ROFL I have seen it mentioned that you do this every year for ISU. They'll be lucky to 6 games,

Yeah I've said it the last two years, and the team has been better every year under CPR. We can now compete with anyone we play, instead of just knowing we will get blown out by Oklahoma and Texas(among others) every year.

[Bambi]

Welcome to the show Dub V.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48727305/ns/today-back_to_school/

[Saul Good]

They will win 6 games.

I will take the under.

[Bambi]

This is essentially the college version of the Chiefs, great defense and great running game this year with an abundance of weapons at WR. It all depends on the QB, and even Jantz is more talented than Cassel.

Was talking about how I thought the Chiefs had the worst D Line in football in another thread and am still waiting to be proven wrong.

Why does everyone think the Chiefs have a "great defense"? It's actually quite bad.

*sry not point to the Cyclones*

[RustShack]

Was talking about how I thought the Chiefs had the worst D Line in football in another thread and am still waiting to be proven wrong.

Why does everyone think the Chiefs have a "great defense"? It's actually quite bad.

*sry not point to the Cyclones*

Well our two DE's(Chiefs) were two of the best in the NFL in terms of stopping the run, and we drafted one of the most talented NT's in the league to fill the third spot. The DL's main job is to take up blockers for the LB's to make plays, and to stop the run. Poe is a huge upgrade from size and talent alone. His job is completely different than it was in college too, with size and speed alone he can take up two or three blockers on any given play allowing Dorsey or Jackson to only be single blocked a lot more often allowing our DL to also get to the QB more which is more of a luxery in our scheme. Poe can collapse the pocket, something we have seriously lacked.

[RustShack]

I will take the under.

I hope you put everything you own on it, because you will lose.

[chiefsfan987]

OU sure looks like **** tonight so far.

[RustShack]

What we learned in the Big 12: Week 1
September, 2, 2012
SEP 2
10:00
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After eight games on the Big 12's opening Saturday, this is what we know:

Oklahoma has a lot of work to do in convincing anyone it's the Big 12 favorite. You win in the Big 12 by scoring points, though the truly elite teams mix in a good dose of defense, too. Oklahoma had a tough time scoring in its 24-7 win over UTEP that featured a pair of late touchdowns. The Sooners were in limbo for much of the night, and when Landry Jones wasn't hurried by the pass rush, his receivers and backs were dropping balls. The defense was solid and pitched a shutout (with the aid of three missed field goals), but the league's top-ranked team had the worst debut of any team in the league, considering expectations.

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Geno Smith looked like the Big 12's best player on opening weekend.
West Virginia's going to be scary. The Mountaineers turned in the most impressive performance of anyone in the Big 12 so far this year, routing a decent Marshall team and doing anything it wanted offensively. WVU scored 69 points, and if it hadn't missed a first-quarter extra point, would have scored 70 in two consecutive games dating back to last year's bowl game. Geno Smith looked like the league's best player and Big 12 defenses are going to have tons of trouble covering WVU's deep stable of weapons. The latest on Saturday? Running back Shawne Alston (123 yards, 2 TDs) and receiver J.D. Woods (seven catches, 75 yards, TD).

Texas' defense still has a lot to prove. The Longhorns looked like they'd be in a league of their own defensively this season, but looked very average against a decent Wyoming offense. Still, it's Wyoming. The Cowboys racked up 345 yards and 17 points, including an embarrassing 82-yard touchdown pass on what should have been nothing more than a 10-yard gain. Last year, the Longhorns gave up just more than 300 yards and 22 points a game. It'll get tougher in league play, of course, but I'm betting the Horns will, too. I'm still a believer in this defense, but Saturday was an underwhelming debut for one of the league's most hyped units.

The league's quarterback questions are being answered. What wasn't underwhelming? Iowa State and Texas went back to the drawing board at QB this offseason, and both had solid debuts. Steele Jantz produced some fireworks, completing 32 of 45 attempts for 281 yards. That included a gorgeous 43-yard rainbow to Josh Lenz, and Jantz's only interception of the day was off a tipped ball. Texas' David Ash completed 20 of 27 passes to keep the chains moving and didn't have a turnover. If he does that all year, the Longhorns will be a major factor in the Big 12 race, if not the national title race. Oklahoma State's Wes Lunt? All he did was complete all 11 of his passes for 129 yards. Good days for the league's lesser-known QBs. The QBs as a whole in the Big 12 threw 16 touchdowns to just three interceptions, and all eight won their season openers. We'll see how Baylor's Nick Florence looks later today.

Iowa State must be taken seriously. Tulsa's a good team that will contend for the C-USA title. Iowa State struggled early on but completely dominated the second and third quarters to muscle up the Golden Hurricane on offense and lock down on defense. After two late first-quarter TDs, the Cyclones shut out a good Tulsa offense for the game's next 33 minutes. That led to a 31-16 lead and a big win. I do think the Big 12's depth will eventually swallow up the Cyclones and leave them a sub-.500 team, but they're not going to be an easy out. Play well, or they'll beat you. The way Oklahoma played on Saturday, Iowa State might have beat the Sooners on a neutral field by double digits.

[Saulbadguy]

I have no idea why ISU was a home dog. They are never as bad as anyone thinks. Of course they are as never as good as RustShack thinks they are either.

[RustShack]

You guys really blow what I say out of proportion. All I have ever said is they will be better this year than they were last year(each of the last few years), and they have been better for sure. Records don't always indicate it, but the product you see on the field has improved every single year under Paul Rhoads. Ask any and all Cyclones fans, CPR is the best thing to ever happen to the football program.

[RustShack]

Big 12 rankings: Iowa State stays No. 1
Posted by Berry Tramel on September 16, 2012M at 2:36 pm
Another week, another Big 12 football rankings. Remember, these rankings are based not on what teams have done in the past, or what teams are expected to do, but what they have done in this 2012 season.
1. Iowa State 3-0: Cyclones routed Western Illinois 37-3, but ISU deserved a breather, after two victories as underdogs, over Tulsa and Iowa.
2. Texas 3-0: Like it or not, the Longhorns — and quarterback David Ash — were impressive in a 66-31 rout at Mississippi. Any victory in an SEC stadium is solid, even if it is at an SEC rumdum like Ole Miss.
3. Kansas State 3-0: The Wildcats’ rout of Miami still holds traction, but KSU is going to have to prove itself away from Manhattan.
4. West Virginia 2-0: Same with the Mountaineers, who need to play a road game — James Madison at the Redskins’ stadium doesn’t count.
5. Texas Tech 3-0: Winning at Texas State matters. I don’t know for how much longer, but it matters.
6. TCU 2-0: Winning 20-6 at Kansas was a solid start to the Frogs’ Big 12 journey.
7. OU 2-0: OU and TCU are interchangeable. At Kansas, at Texas-El Paso, about the same.
8. Baylor 3-0: The Bears’ rout of SMU looks worse and worse. Baylor was pressed into the fourth quarter by I-AA Sam Houston State.
9. OSU 2-1: Routing overmatched teams at home don’t do much for your stock when you lose by 21 points at Arizona.
10. Kansas 1-2: Another home loss, this to TCU. The Jayhawks have lost at home to TCU and Rice. Drats. KU doesn’t host Baylor. Not too many teams ever have lost at home to TCU, Rice and Baylor; not even those schools who spent 70 years together in the Southwest Conference.

-For the record I have no idea who this guy is, and don't know/think hes a Cyclone fan.

[Saul Good]

Who is going to start the 2013 thread? This one was a gem, but it's time to move forward.

[LiveSteam]

Who is going to start the 2013 thread? This one was a gem, but it's time to move forward.

I'll do it

[Saul Good]

I'll do it

Good idea. Your team won a Big 12 game not that long ago.

[Bambi]

Who is going to start the 2013 thread? This one was a gem, but it's time to move forward.

I'm sure someone will get it started closer to season.

I'd be more concerned with the 28 posts in the SEC thread.

ROFL