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Kerberos
08-06-2012, 05:54 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/06/report-league-offers-to-cut-vilmas-suspension-in-half/





Report: League offers to cut Vilma’s suspension in half











Posted by Mike Florio on August 6, 2012, 7:36 AM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/610x55-e1340034705659.jpg?w=250 APThere’s nothing like a looming court date to make parties serious about working out their differences on their own.
With Judge Helen G. Berrigan posing questions during a July 26 hearing that suggested she may be leaning toward lifting linebacker Jonathan Vilma (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2775/jonathan-vilma)’s suspension — and possibly overturning all of the suspensions later — the league reportedly has offered a middle ground.



According to Ed Werder, Adam Schefter, and Chris Mortensen of ESPN.com (what, did they take turn typing the letters?), the NFL has offered to reduce Vilma’s suspension to eight games (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8238319/sources-jonathan-vilma-suspension-reduced-withdraws-civil-suit).
Though Steve Wyche of NFL Network said on NFLAM said that no specific offer has been made, the report comes at a time when it makes sense to be talking about possible alternatives to a court-ordered outcome.


The report also comes in the wake of a report by Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports that, if the NFLPA had cooperated with the league’s process, Vilma may have ultimately been suspended only four games (https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/status/231773257915830272). Setting aside for now the serious disconnect between legal gamesmanship and the notion of doing the right thing, the leak to Cole may have laid the foundation for the news of what could be characterized as backpedaling by the league office.
Indeed, that’s the obvious initial reaction to the report from Werdscheftenson.



The league by all appearances has blinked. Coupled with Cole’s report, the spin could be that the NFL is simply trying to finish this thing where it would have ended if Vilma hadn’t refused to participate in the process.


When Commissioner Roger Goodell hammered Vilma et al., we suggested at some point the possibility that Goodell deliberately overshot with the penalties so that he could prove the appeal process works — even if it makes him look wishy-washy for second-guessing his initial decision. Vilma prevented that from happening by refusing to throw himself on the mercy of what the players regard as a kangaroo court.


Of course, no offer to reduce the penalties may matter. Vilma and the other players continue to believe that they did nothing wrong. More specifically, they believe there were no bounties.



They concede there was a pay-for-performance system, and the league still hasn’t made it clear that the penalties flow primarily from offering cash for applying clean, legal hits in a way that prevents an opponent from continuing. (For example, the Sunday night hit by defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4692/sedrick-ellis) on Cardinals quarterback Kevin Kolb (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4151/kevin-kolb) would have been regarded as a “knockout” in a regular-season game, even though Ellis broke no rules in dragging Kolb down.)


Once the two sides start speaking the same language, maybe they can find a middle ground. For now, our guess is that Vilma and the players will regard the offer as a sign of weakness, and that they’ll keep pushing for a court order scuttling all of the suspensions — or at a minimum requiring the parties to appoint a neutral arbitrator.

Buck
08-06-2012, 06:10 AM
Seems more fitting.

qabbaan
08-06-2012, 06:11 AM
The league must not have much chance of winning.

It's good, IMO, this is about nothing but the league trying to limit its liability, not about football at all really.

Football entails hitting and injury, if the officials didn't penalize a hit and the league didn't review and punish anyone for a hit being outside the rules, I don't have a problem with it.

BoneKrusher
08-06-2012, 06:21 AM
so basically, Goodell isn't as powerful as he thought he was.

Ace Gunner
08-06-2012, 07:40 AM
so basically, Goodell is a fucking POS.

BoneKrusher
08-06-2012, 07:48 AM
so basically, Goodell is a ****ing POS.

i'm buying

Ace Gunner
08-06-2012, 07:49 AM
i'm buying

:D hey bro

BoneKrusher
08-06-2012, 07:52 AM
:D hey bro
hey man

Rausch
08-06-2012, 07:54 AM
Take it and run.

You take a win vs. the Commish and as far as most the public is concerned you've proven you're "in the right."

Amnorix
08-06-2012, 08:25 AM
The league must not have much chance of winning.

It's good, IMO, this is about nothing but the league trying to limit its liability, not about football at all really.

Football entails hitting and injury, if the officials didn't penalize a hit and the league didn't review and punish anyone for a hit being outside the rules, I don't have a problem with it.


So you're ok with paying bounties for injuring players? That's cool with you?

And if it was legal, you'd be ok with having teams include it in contracts? The Raiders could have a $10,000 bounty for a hit that results in carting off any Chiefs player, or $50,000 if that player was a Pro Bowler, and that's cool with you?

And it's cool that kids watching the sport would know that there is bonus money paid for hurting the other team's guys?

vailpass
08-06-2012, 10:41 AM
So you're ok with paying bounties for injuring players? That's cool with you?

And if it was legal, you'd be ok with having teams include it in contracts? The Raiders could have a $10,000 bounty for a hit that results in carting off any Chiefs player, or $50,000 if that player was a Pro Bowler, and that's cool with you?

And it's cool that kids watching the sport would know that there is bonus money paid for hurting the other team's guys?

Sounds good to me. It's how it's always been. I like a little blood in my bloodsports.

-King-
08-06-2012, 10:48 AM
So you're ok with paying bounties for injuring players? That's cool with you?

And if it was legal, you'd be ok with having teams include it in contracts? The Raiders could have a $10,000 bounty for a hit that results in carting off any Chiefs player, or $50,000 if that player was a Pro Bowler, and that's cool with you?

And it's cool that kids watching the sport would know that there is bonus money paid for hurting the other team's guys?

By lowering the suspension, the league is basically admitting that there was no evidence for a pay for injury program. The players admitted to a pay for performance program. They dared the league to present any evidence and the league has failed so far.
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The Franchise
08-06-2012, 11:01 AM
The NFL has come out and denied that they offered Vilma a reduced suspension.

OnTheWarpath15
08-06-2012, 11:04 AM
By lowering the suspension, the league is basically admitting that there was no evidence for a pay for injury program. The players admitted to a pay for performance program. They dared the league to present any evidence and the league has failed so far.
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This.

I think the NFL is realizing they are going to have to show their cards, and they are holding 7-2 offsuit.

Drew Brees speaking out says a lot, IMO. Dude is usually very measured with his responses to the media, and he's come out and blasted the league.

I'm thinking there's not anywhere near the "evidence" the league has implied there is.

qabbaan
08-06-2012, 11:28 AM
So you're ok with paying bounties for injuring players? That's cool with you?

And if it was legal, you'd be ok with having teams include it in contracts? The Raiders could have a $10,000 bounty for a hit that results in carting off any Chiefs player, or $50,000 if that player was a Pro Bowler, and that's cool with you?

And it's cool that kids watching the sport would know that there is bonus money paid for hurting the other team's guys?

No, I don't really have a problem with bounties for doing anything that is within the laws of the game. If its illegal the refs should flag it.

The only issue I see with bounties is that they could be used to circumvent the salary cap, but since the cap is mostly imaginary anyway, who cares?

BigMeatballDave
08-06-2012, 12:11 PM
8 games is fair punishment.

durtyrute
08-06-2012, 12:19 PM
If they don't have shit as far as evidence, what are they suspending him for?

vailpass
08-06-2012, 12:29 PM
If they don't have shit as far as evidence, what are they suspending him for?

Kinda' what I'd like to know too.

Mr. Laz
08-06-2012, 12:32 PM
Goodell is the devil!!!

vailpass
08-06-2012, 12:34 PM
Goodell is the devil!!!

I like how Goodell runs his show for the most part but would like to see the evidence justifying suspending Vilma for an entire season. Is it a case of Vilma being guilty as charged, a case of avoiding law suits and Vilma et al being collateral damage, both, neither?

Titty Meat
08-06-2012, 01:55 PM
So you're ok with paying bounties for injuring players? That's cool with you?

And if it was legal, you'd be ok with having teams include it in contracts? The Raiders could have a $10,000 bounty for a hit that results in carting off any Chiefs player, or $50,000 if that player was a Pro Bowler, and that's cool with you?

And it's cool that kids watching the sport would know that there is bonus money paid for hurting the other team's guys?

Don't feed the trolls.