The Quinn/Stanzi Excuse thread

[Reerun_KC]

We need on of these to keep track of why Mark Castle is still the starting QB.

I am going to get things started.

-They didnt get a fair shake with the #1's

-Pioli is keeping them from making Cassel look bad

-Line isnt giving them enough time to go through their progressions

-WR are dropping perfectly thrown balls

-Cassel has naked pictures of their wives/girlfriends for black mail.



Carry on fellow CPer's

[durtyrute]

- Stanzi will stand "taller" in the pocket

- Stanzi will throw a better ball than Cassel

- Stanzi will make it look effortless as he releases the fury

- Stanzi will throw multiple interceptions

- Stanzi will have more touchdowns than int's

- Stanzi will end world hunger

- I don't give a fuck about Quinn

[Sofa King]

Stanzi deserves the same 3 years Cassel got.

Stanzi is basically a rookie since he didn't have OTA's last year

I'd bang Quinn's girlfriend.

[KCUnited]

Iowa hate.

[Extra Point]

Stanzi's low energy levels, due to fighting crime at night, as the Masked Avenger in St. Joe, has kept him from performing. The perpetrators, Mark Castle and Brady Quinn, have tainted donut mix in that fair city, and have turned law enforcement upside down.

[BoneKrusher]

Stanzi deserves the same 3 years Cassel got.

Stanzi is basically a rookie since he didn't have OTA's last year



agreed.
1000 times.:thumb:

[boogblaster]

Would like to see Stanzi get alot of pre-season time .....

[durtyrute]

Would like to see Stanzi get alot of pre-season time .....

This.

[BoneKrusher]

Stanzi and Quinn aren't costing the Chiefs 60 million to play like shit so they get a break.

[Reerun_KC]

Would like to see Stanzi get alot of pre-season time .....

I want to see him play with the #1's for a very short time, but more interested in the 2's and 3's.

I want to see if he can elevate the players around him and make them better.

I want to see him take the training camp fodder and make them look respectable.

I want to see how he plays with the worse line, See how he audibles, progresses through reads and makes the right choice.

IF his is the messiah that everyone is projecting him to be. Then we need to see great things out of him in the second halves of these games.

[Reerun_KC]

Stanzi and Quinn aren't costing the Chiefs 60 million to play like shit so they get a break.

Actually who cares what they cost? You or I arent paying for it....

I dont care if they pay all 3 QB's 100 million a year each... I dont have to pay for it so fuck'em

[HemiEd]

Would like to see Stanzi get alot of pre-season time .....

Same here, the little bit we got to see of him last year was very encouraging. He actually showed pocket presence, and composure, two words not in Cassels' vocabulary.

[BoneKrusher]

I want to see him play with the #1's for a very short time, but more interested in the 2's and 3's.

I want to see if he can elevate the players around him and make them better.



Cassel's really good at this.:D

[Rasputin]

Some one sneeks up behind Stanzi & cuts the back of his hair off & the golden childs powers are gone.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l531/Manuel_Ibarra/TrollFaceDancing.gif

[Sofa King]

-Anything to get rid of Matt Cassel

[BoneKrusher]

-Anything to get rid of Matt Cassel

:thumb:

[KC_Lee]

We need on of these to keep track of why Mark Castle is still the starting QB.

I am going to get things started.

-They didnt get a fair shake with the #1's

-Pioli is keeping them from making Cassel look bad

-Line isnt giving them enough time to go through their progressions

-WR are dropping perfectly thrown balls

-Cassel has naked pictures of their wives/girlfriends for black mail.



Carry on fellow CPer's


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[HemiEd]

I have a legitmate excuse for Stanzi if he ends up sucking, and it very well could happen.

Setting on the bench, watching Cassel may have soured the kid. His confidence may have been shaken by the constant reminder to check down and not turn the ball over.

You have to turn the talent loose!

[oldman]

I don't care which one of them steps up. It's clear the currrent QB situation isn't going to result in a SB victory. What I'd like to see is one of them make a clear case for #2 and push for #1. Let the other one go in the off season and get us a REAL QB.
The ideal situation would be if we could count on one of them to be a stand-in #1 and the other a solid #2. This would allow us to part ways with the mediocrity of Cassel and draft a kid that wouldn't be rushed into primetime.
I know, I know---Pioli. Wishful thinking.

[saphojunkie]

We need on of these to keep track of why Mark Castle is still the starting QB.

I am going to get things started.

-They didnt get a fair shake with the #1's

-Pioli is keeping them from making Cassel look bad

-Line isnt giving them enough time to go through their progressions

-WR are dropping perfectly thrown balls

-Cassel has naked pictures of their wives/girlfriends for black mail.



Carry on fellow CPer's

BLACK PEOPLE GET THEIR OWN MAIL SYSTEM?!

If he threatens to send those pictures via black mail to black males, that would be blackmail. :)

[threebag]

Actually who cares what they cost? You or I arent paying for it....

I dont care if they pay all 3 QB's 100 million a year each... I dont have to pay for it so ****'em

That sounds really loose Matt Cassel is like a black hole eating away salary cap now as it is. I'd hate to see 100 million on top of his already famous suck.

[Ace Gunner]

Haley called from Pittsburg and told Clark Hunt not to give up on Mattle. Obviously.

[BigMeatballDave]

Reerun should probably be medicated.

[Setsuna]

Quinn doesn't get excuses because he sucks. Stanzi must be given a chance to be the best, not just 2nd best.

[RealSNR]

I'm pretty sure Reerun likes Matt Cassel. Legitimately.

He also loves it when he wets his bed at night and feels awful for it but sure enough by the time evening rolls around his mother already has washed and changed his sheets.

[lcarus]

I'd like to see Stanzi get a shot with the #1 unit at some points during the preseason.

[Planetman]

BLACK PEOPLE GET THEIR OWN MAIL SYSTEM?!

If he threatens to send those pictures via black mail to black males, that would be blackmail. :)
LMAO

[BoneKrusher]

I'd like to see Stanzi get a shot with the #1 unit at some points during the preseason.

yep.
like someone else said,
Cassel's had three years why not give Stanzi one quarter/half.

[Reerun_KC]

Cassel's really good at this.:D

Maybe in someones dream world, but not in reality...

[Reerun_KC]

Reerun should probably be medicated.

You might be right, I feel we have great football and zero QB's on this roster worth a shit...

Fucking sucks seeing opportunity passing you by...

[Reerun_KC]

I'm pretty sure Reerun likes Matt Cassel. Legitimately.

He also loves it when he wets his bed at night and feels awful for it but sure enough by the time evening rolls around his mother already has washed and changed his sheets.:banghead:

WOW... Talk about people living in their own fantasy world...

[RealSNR]

:banghead:

WOW... Talk about people living in their own fantasy world...

I've seen your posting habits for awhile now. You just wanted to take a look at Jamaal's fumble in the playoffs. Just for looks.

You want Cassel to start a billion years. Just so you can enjoy the bitching. Just for that. Sure. Just to enjoy the bitching.

They're either terrible jokes or you're just a giant retard.

[Reerun_KC]

I've seen your posting habits for awhile now. You just wanted to take a look at Jamaal's fumble in the playoffs. Just for looks.

You want Cassel to start a billion years. Just so you can enjoy the bitching. Just for that. Sure. Just to enjoy the bitching.

They're either terrible jokes or you're just a giant retard.

Same here, I have watched you follow people around, trying to fit in with others, trying to act cool instead of being yourself.

Why are you stalking me and why are my posts so important to you and your life?

[durtyrute]

yep.
like someone else said,
Cassel's had three years why not give Stanzi one quarter/half.

Because he sucks, even though I've never seen him in a real game. Plus, we should draft a first round QB because that automatically equals Superbowl. Even though we have a first round Qb, he doesn't count because of some other dumbass made up bullshit. /most of CP

[BoneKrusher]

Because he sucks, even though I've never seen him in a real game. Plus, we should draft a first round QB because that automatically equals Superbowl. Even though we have a first round Qb, he doesn't count because of some other dumbass made up bullshit. /most of CP

yeah, it doesn't have to be Stanzi that gets a chance,..
i'm an ABC Guy.

[RealSNR]

Same here, I have watched you follow people around, trying to fit in with others, trying to act cool instead of being yourself.

Why are you stalking me and why are my posts so important to you and your life?

I go around and post what I want to. When you post something stupid, I respond. It's not that hard.

And how the hell do you know what I'm really like? LMAO

Yeah, I'm just trying to act cool so I can get all my internet friends together and feel wanted!

Jesus Christ :facepalm:

[RealSNR]

Because he sucks, even though I've never seen him in a real game. Plus, we should draft a first round QB because that automatically equals Superbowl. Even though we have a first round Qb, he doesn't count because of some other dumbass made up bullshit. /most of CP
We still need to draft a first round QB. And I think that's even regardless of whatever success Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi might have during the regular season.

It's just fucking time. We haven't done it in so goddamn long. Even if we have "our guy", we need a 1st round QB. Sit him down for several years like Aaron Rodgers. Trade him. I don't care. Just get the guy so we never have to worry about shitty game managers from other teams for at least another 10 years.

What the hell else do we need to spend that first rounder on? Nothing, that's what. This team is set. If Pioli isn't a cheap faggot, we need to get that QB. End of story.

[durtyrute]

We still need to draft a first round QB. And I think that's even regardless of whatever success Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi might have during the regular season.

It's just fucking time. We haven't done it in so goddamn long. Even if we have "our guy", we need a 1st round QB. Sit him down for several years like Aaron Rodgers. Trade him. I don't care. Just get the guy so we never have to worry about shitty game managers from other teams for at least another 10 years.

What the hell else do we need to spend that first rounder on? Nothing, that's what. This team is set. If Pioli isn't a cheap pillowbitergot, we need to get that QB. End of story.

I understand. I'm a fan just like the rest. I've seen the bullshit since I was a little kid. I'm just saying, we have a first round QB now. All people are saying is "draft a first round QB, draft a first round QB" Which that is great n all, but we have one on the roster who hasn't played a single game for us. But, people want a different first round QB because he doesn't fit first round QB standards. It's madness!! Let's see what we have on our roster before we toss them aside.

[durtyrute]

yeah, it doesn't have to be Stanzi that gets a chance,..
i'm an ABC Guy.

I just want to see what we have on the roster before we throw them out for another guy who won't get a chance.

[BoneKrusher]

I just want to see what we have on the roster before we throw them out for another guy who won't get a chance.

likewise

[Reerun_KC]

Sadly SNR wants everyone to believe that Cassel is the worst QB, he is playing the reverse roll, so he can flip flop and say he was just kidding when Cassel plays below average and backs into a pro bowl slot.

[Reerun_KC]

I go around and post what I want to. When you post something stupid, I respond. It's not that hard.

And how the hell do you know what I'm really like? LMAO

Yeah, I'm just trying to act cool so I can get all my internet friends together and feel wanted!

Jesus Christ :facepalm:

I am assuming just like you are...


Jesus Christ :facepalm:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Quinn and Stanzi are too tired from jumping the ropes

[Rasputin]

We still need to draft a first round QB. And I think that's even regardless of whatever success Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi might have during the regular season.

It's just ****ing time. We haven't done it in so goddamn long. Even if we have "our guy", we need a 1st round QB. Sit him down for several years like Aaron Rodgers. Trade him. I don't care. Just get the guy so we never have to worry about shitty game managers from other teams for at least another 10 years.

What the hell else do we need to spend that first rounder on? Nothing, that's what. This team is set. If Pioli isn't a cheap pillowbitergot, we need to get that QB. End of story.

This muther fucking THIS can you dig it?

[Reerun_KC]

We still need to draft a first round QB. And I think that's even regardless of whatever success Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi might have during the regular season.

It's just ****ing time. We haven't done it in so goddamn long. Even if we have "our guy", we need a 1st round QB. Sit him down for several years like Aaron Rodgers. Trade him. I don't care. Just get the guy so we never have to worry about shitty game managers from other teams for at least another 10 years.

What the hell else do we need to spend that first rounder on? Nothing, that's what. This team is set. If Pioli isn't a cheap pillowbitergot, we need to get that QB. End of story.

Its about Goddammed time someone actually fucking gets it...

http://people-equation.com/wp-content/uploads/Thank-you.jpg

[rico]

I'd like to see Stanzi get a shot with the #1 unit at some points during the preseason.

Did Palko ever go with the 1's in pre-season last year? I literally can't remember, but for some reason I am thinking he did a little bit.

[Bane]

Stanzi's dick is bigger than mine /casshole

[HemiEd]

Its about Goddammed time someone actually ****ing gets it...

http://people-equation.com/wp-content/uploads/Thank-you.jpg

Earthshattering news I tell ya. So they need to draft a QB, a thread should be started about that subject.

It is just too bad it isn't going to happen.

[Tribal Warfare]

Did Palko ever go with the 1's in pre-season last year? I literally can't remember, but for some reason I am thinking he did a little bit.

Yes, in the final preseason game.

[BoneKrusher]

Its about Goddammed time someone actually ****ing gets it...


just a hunch but i dont think the Clark would pay a top tier/Franchise QB.
think he'd rather use recycled trash/other teams failures at QB.

[-King-]

just a hunch but i dont think the Clark would pay a top tier/Franchise QB.
think he'd rather use recycled trash/other teams failures at QB.

A franchise Qb is cheaper.
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[rico]

Yes, in the final preseason game.

Oh yeah.... after the Raji hit, right?

[saphojunkie]

We still need to draft a first round QB. And I think that's even regardless of whatever success Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi might have during the regular season.

It's just ****ing time. We haven't done it in so goddamn long. Even if we have "our guy", we need a 1st round QB. Sit him down for several years like Aaron Rodgers. Trade him. I don't care. Just get the guy so we never have to worry about shitty game managers from other teams for at least another 10 years.

What the hell else do we need to spend that first rounder on? Nothing, that's what. This team is set. If Pioli isn't a cheap pillowbitergot, we need to get that QB. End of story.

I would agree except for the provision of Quinn taking over and killing it.

What is killing it?

Completing over 60% of his passes, at least a 2-1 TD to INT ratio, winning season, and passer rating over 90.

If Quinn does that, and doesn't have any clutch turnovers, then I'm sold on him having finally reached the potential he had as a first round draft pick.

[durtyrute]

Here are some college stats for a couple "franchise Qb's" since "franchise QB's" called considered "franchise Qb's" before they are even a part of a franchise

1 of these no long plays. 6 are franchise QB's now but no one would have guessed they would be in college with the exception of a few. Can you guess which ones? 1-8


1 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 28 66 42.4 507 7.7 4 8 102.7
QB 99 189 52.4 1604 8.5 11 8 134.4
QB 141 260 54.2 2010 7.7 10 9 124.9



2 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 157 332 47.3 1831 5.5 9 15 93.5
QB 191 353 54.1 2586 7.3 17 10 125.9
QB 292 450 64.9 3919 8.7 32 7 158.4


3 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 12 15 80.0 103 6.9 0 0 137.7
QB 214 350 61.1 2636 7.5 15 12 131.7
QB 214 341 62.8 2586 7.6 20 6 142.3


4 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 19 43 44.2 232 5.4 0 1 84.9
QB 361 569 63.4 3983 7.0 39 20 137.8
QB 337 554 60.8 3909 7.1 25 12 130.7


5 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/a TD Int Rate
QB 150 254 59.1 1956 7.7 14 9 134.8
QB 171 304 56.3 2417 8.0 17 15 131.6
QB 221 345 64.1 3004 8.7 25 6 157.6


6 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 89 144 61.8 1141 7.9 11 6 145.2
QB 244 380 64.2 2954 7.8 22 4 146.5
QB 243 380 63.9 3287 8.7 20 12 147.7


7 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 25 13 146.5
QB 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 22 11 138.7
QB 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 37 10 165.8

8 Passing
Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate
QB 12 15 80.0 103 6.9 0 0 137.7
QB 214 350 61.1 2636 7.5 15 12 131.7
QB 214 341 62.8 2586 7.6 20 6 142.3


Edit, dammit my spacing got all fucked

[BoneKrusher]

A franchise Qb is cheaper.
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i agree under the new CBA but after the rookie contract is up its bye bye.

[-King-]

i agree under the new CBA but after the rookie contract is up its bye bye.

But he paid Cassel 60 million. Your argument makes no sense.

[Tribal Warfare]

Oh yeah.... after the Raji hit, right?

I'm not sure, but I do remember it was midway in the 2nd quarter.

[BoneKrusher]

But he paid Cassel 60 million. Your argument makes no sense.

but Cassel's a former Patriot.
Pissoli has to have it his way.

[RealSNR]

Sadly SNR wants everyone to believe that Cassel is the worst QB, he is playing the reverse roll, so he can flip flop and say he was just kidding when Cassel plays below average and backs into a pro bowl slot.

Have you SEEN my posts on here?

I said Cassel playing at a 2010 level can get out of me.

He's got to throw for 4000 yards and get us to a Super Bowl THIS YEAR in order to win my confidence.

Last year I said he could win a playoff game and I'd be set with him. He failed. Now the expectations go up.

Or he can go fuck himself and get raped. I don't care.

[Reerun_KC]

Line them up boys.


What's everyone got tonight

[O.city]

I thought both were mixed.

[007]

they both sucked tonight

[CoMoChief]

The one thing I can't stand Haley for, is because he refused to "really" address the competition at the QB position.

[Marcellus]

Both where underwhelming.

[Great Expectations]

Excuse for Brady is he played with #2's vs #1's. Excuse for Stanzi is that some Canadians served him lunch today.

[-King-]

THE SUN WAS IN STANZIS EYES
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[KcMizzou]

So, do we all agree that Cassel is the best QB on the roster?

[Great Expectations]

So, do we all agree that Cassel is the best QB on the roster?

It looks that way, I think we can officially rule Stanzi out.

[petegz28]

So, do we all agree that Cassel is the best QB on the roster?

For good or ill, this is correct.

[Rausch]

Excuse for Brady is he played with #2's vs #1's. Excuse for Stanzi is that some Canadians served him lunch today.

I think outside of his two deep passes (overthrown) Stanzi looked like a promising young guy. I'd like to see him finish as the no 2.

Brady seemed to be a slow starter but after a few throws didn't look that bad.

I'd like to see Stanzi get the no 2 snaps because I think he's got a chance to be the future but if it's all about winning now Brady is probably closer to a legit b/u...

[Great Expectations]

I think outside of his two deep passes (overthrown) Stanzi looked like a promising young guy. I'd like to see him finish as the no 2.

Brady seemed to be a slow starter but after a few throws didn't look that bad.

I'd like to see Stanzi get the no 2 snaps because I think he's got a chance to be the future but if it's all about winning now Brady is probably closer to a legit b/u...

Brady improved as the talent level of his teammates evened out with the competition. To me Stanzi still looks like a project. A good throw followed by 2 bad ones.

[Planetman]

I think outside of his two deep passes (overthrown) Stanzi looked like a promising young guy. I'd like to see him finish as the no 2.

Brady seemed to be a slow starter but after a few throws didn't look that bad.

I'd like to see Stanzi get the no 2 snaps because I think he's got a chance to be the future but if it's all about winning now Brady is probably closer to a legit b/u...
That, right there.

[RealSNR]

Neither player did well, but Stanzi was slightly better than Quinn tonight.

He'll get the 2nd team snaps next week, which will tell us a lot about where this competition is going if he does well.

[Rausch]

Neither player did well, but Stanzi was slightly better than Quinn tonight.

He'll get the 2nd team snaps next week, which will tell us a lot about where this competition is going if he does well.

I'd love to see him finish as the no 2 just to get that season of b/u snaps and experience. Playing time or no.

At this point he looks like a guy who might be ready to lead a team in year 3 if (despite my impatience) he's brought along slowly...

[rico]

In regards to Cassel:

http://www.michaelscottpapercompany.com/images/ms_main_left.jpg

Fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice....strike three. No, I'm not convinced.

[TLO]

I think there is a good battle for the backup QB spot.

Cassel looked good tonight. I hope it continues

[Dave Lane]

The one thing I can't stand Haley for, is because he refused to "really" address the competition at the QB position.

Yep the new focus on the QB situation is very impressive.

[Planetman]

Is it just me or does it appear to anyone else that Quinn has no leadership skills? When he hits the field, the teams seem to go flat. Conversely, the team seems to rally around Stanzi and they play like they give a shit. Maybe I'm wrong but i swear that's what I'm seeing.

[RealSNR]

Is it just me or does it appear to anyone else that Quinn has no leadership skills? When he hits the field, the teams seem to go flat. Conversely, the team seems to rally around Stanzi and they play like they give a shit. Maybe I'm wrong but i swear that's what I'm seeing.

Quinn's always had that problem.

[Rasputin]

Is it just me or does it appear to anyone else that Quinn has no leadership skills? When he hits the field, the teams seem to go flat. Conversely, the team seems to rally around Stanzi and they play like they give a shit. Maybe I'm wrong but i swear that's what I'm seeing.

Well I don't think it helps to leave a WR out to dry like he did. I'm most worried about him getting one of our guys killed with them throws.

[ChiefsCountry]

Just got home from the game, here is my opinion on the quarterbacks tonight:

Cassel
*Like milkman has said from day one, Cassel in the shotgun with one read is at his best - he showed that tonight
*Only targeted Baldwin once - just alot of little dump passes to McCluster.
*Hillis touchdown was wide the fuck open
*Missed a huge play to Charles
*Very very few pressures from the Cardinals, that is when the true Cassel comes out
Grade = A- This is basically was Cassel at his best tonight. We have one scary ass offense though especially with Bowe coming back.

Quinn
*Quinn is pretty good at going through the progressions which we haven't seen in KC for a while
*His pass on the pass interfernce call was one hell of a throw. That was in my end zone and you throw that to Bowe, Baldwin or Breaston and thats six easy.
*When he threw to legit NFL roster players, he looked good. Quinn to Copper was working tonight.
*That being said, its probably a good thing he over threw Copper on that one. Copper got cheap shotted on that anyways, he might have got really crushed if that was on the money
*Running game wasn't the best when Quinn was in. I think Cyrus Gray is better than Shaun Draughn thats
*Quinn with his legs made chicken shit out chicken salad tonight a couple of times
*The bootleg on the goal line was questionable without having a tight end option IMO. But Sam Acho of Arizona slow played it perfectly. That was text book DE play.
*The interception - I didn't get a good read on it. I couldn't tell if Wylie tipped it or not. Anyways that was a time, he should have just took the sack instead of forcing something.
*Bottom line with Quinn tonight - looked good when he played with NFL talent, not so much with the camp fodder. He showed me he could step in a play if Cassel was hurt.
Quinns Grade = B-

Stanzi
*Cyrus Gray was a beast. Damn we are deep at running back.
*His post to Maneri was right on the money
*Also threading the needle to O'Connell was good
*The end zone toss, pretty decent throw - maybe just a little more air on it and we don't have camp fodder trying to land like he did
*Bottom line tonight with Sanzi - improving young QB, probably a year away from taking over the backup role
Stanzi's grade = B-

[KcMizzou]

Is it just me or does it appear to anyone else that Quinn has no leadership skills? When he hits the field, the teams seem to go flat. Conversely, the team seems to rally around Stanzi and they play like they give a shit. Maybe I'm wrong but i swear that's what I'm seeing.This makes no sense to me. (no offense) Every single one of those guys playing late in a preseason game "gives a shit". They're all fighting for their football lives. Some of them are good enough to stand out... some just aren't good enough.

The "leadership qualities" of some scrub backup QB isn't going to change anything.

[xztop12]

From what I saw Cassel might be as good as their is pre-snap in the league in this new offense.

That formation shift on 4th was CLEAN and quick.

I like how Stanzi moves, and throws but he doesn't appear to pick up the offense(Dabolls) nearly as quickly as Matt.

[petegz28]

From what I saw Cassel might be as good as their is pre-snap in the league in this new offense.

That formation shift on 4th was CLEAN and quick.

I like how Stanzi moves, and throws but he doesn't appear to pick up the offense(Dabolls) nearly as quickly as Matt.

Well Cassel has worked with Daboll before so he has that advantage. The 4th down play was brilliant. Trent Green pointed out how the shift put the defense back on their heels thinking the Chiefs were trying to draw them offsides.

[Great Expectations]

Cassel also knew Peyton was going to be wide open before the snap. Stanzi looked very similar to his days in Iowa, one good throw and the some wtf is going on moments. History is likely repeating itself with Satnzi whoda thunk it?

Hopefully Cassel rewrites his history, #holdingmybreath

[Frankie]

2 TD drives with Cassel behind the wheel. But I saw nothing that told me he was instrumental in the success of those two drives. It looked like the O was on auto pilot against the Cardinal D. Cassel looked quite average which was just enough for tonight.

[KcMizzou]

LMAO I don't know what Cassel could possibly do to get any credit for a job well done at this point.

Win a playoff game, I guess. We'd probably decide it was won in spite of him.

[Rausch]

LMAO I don't know what Cassel could possibly do to get any credit for a job well done at this point.

Win a playoff game, I guess. We'd probably decide it was won in spite of him.

Probably would be...

[notorious]

Is it just me or does it appear to anyone else that Quinn has no leadership skills? When he hits the field, the teams seem to go flat. Conversely, the team seems to rally around Stanzi and they play like they give a shit. Maybe I'm wrong but i swear that's what I'm seeing.

It's called "Moxie".

[mcaj22]

Actually who cares what they cost? You or I arent paying for it....

I dont care if they pay all 3 QB's 100 million a year each... I dont have to pay for it so ****'em

you care what they cost because it takes up salary cap. so paying a shitty QB 60 million limits you adding other talent on the roster. it's very simple

i certainly dont care what they pay anyone, but I care that they have money to always add talent. If paying a shitty QB a lot of money hinders that, than it's a waste and hurts the team.

So yeah the original point is correct and a valid excuse imo that Quinn and Stanzi arent eating 60 million so they can be just as shitty if not worse than the guy that does make 60 million. I'd expect a guy that is paid 60 million to be 100x better than Quinn or Stanzi and sadly that is far from the case here. It's a good excuse.

[Phobia]

LMAO I don't know what Cassel could possibly do to get any credit for a job well done at this point.

Win a playoff game, I guess. We'd probably decide it was won in spite of him.

Cassel is gonna have to win some games and do well in some pressure situations. He looked good vs. the Cardinals. Who can argue with ending drives with touchdowns? He hit a couple intermediate passes and chucked a ball to a wide open Hillis. 5 of 6... That's solid. I'll take it. But let's talk more about Cassel in mid-October.

[Gonzo]

I dunno why you guys wanna see Stanzi or Quinn get more playing time. Didn't you see Cassel last night?
He's going to be the next Trent Green. Started off a little shaky but ended up being awesome! This is it, guyz. Cazzle will be teh MVP.

[-King-]

Just got home from the game, here is my opinion on the quarterbacks tonight:

Cassel
*Like milkman has said from day one, Cassel in the shotgun with one read is at his best - he showed that tonight
*Only targeted Baldwin once - just alot of little dump passes to McCluster.
*Hillis touchdown was wide the fuck open
*Missed a huge play to Charles
*Very very few pressures from the Cardinals, that is when the true Cassel comes out
Grade = A- This is basically was Cassel at his best tonight. We have one scary ass offense though especially with Bowe coming back.

Quinn
*Quinn is pretty good at going through the progressions which we haven't seen in KC for a while
*His pass on the pass interfernce call was one hell of a throw. That was in my end zone and you throw that to Bowe, Baldwin or Breaston and thats six easy.
*When he threw to legit NFL roster players, he looked good. Quinn to Copper was working tonight.
*That being said, its probably a good thing he over threw Copper on that one. Copper got cheap shotted on that anyways, he might have got really crushed if that was on the money
*Running game wasn't the best when Quinn was in. I think Cyrus Gray is better than Shaun Draughn thats
*Quinn with his legs made chicken shit out chicken salad tonight a couple of times
*The bootleg on the goal line was questionable without having a tight end option IMO. But Sam Acho of Arizona slow played it perfectly. That was text book DE play.
*The interception - I didn't get a good read on it. I couldn't tell if Wylie tipped it or not. Anyways that was a time, he should have just took the sack instead of forcing something.
*Bottom line with Quinn tonight - looked good when he played with NFL talent, not so much with the camp fodder. He showed me he could step in a play if Cassel was hurt.
Quinns Grade = B-

Stanzi
*Cyrus Gray was a beast. Damn we are deep at running back.
*His post to Maneri was right on the money
*Also threading the needle to O'Connell was good
*The end zone toss, pretty decent throw - maybe just a little more air on it and we don't have camp fodder trying to land like he did
*Bottom line tonight with Sanzi - improving young QB, probably a year away from taking over the backup role
Stanzi's grade = B-

There is no way Quinn and Stanzi were B- . Stanzi was a C- at best and Quinn was a D at best.
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[oldman]

At this point, sadly Cassel is the best QB we've got. Quinn didn't show me a lot. Stanzi needs to work on his touch, but I believe his better than Quinn. There's not many snaps for the #3 QB and #3/4 WRs to get their timing down. It looked to me Stanzi was a little more comfortable in the pocket than Quinn. Let's see what happens next week.

[O.city]

Stanzi had two bad throws.



The deep ball underthrow, and a deep ball overthrow.


Had a deep bench route throw that people said was awful that was basically right where it was supposed to be that was dropped. Fade Route that the wr didn't get two feet in bounds for. Maneri on a flag and O'Connell in the seem.

[philfree]

My perspective is that they are both better then the guy we ran out there last year when Cassel went down.

[RealSNR]

LMAO I don't know what Cassel could possibly do to get any credit for a job well done at this point.

Win a playoff game, I guess. We'd probably decide it was won in spite of him.

I already said this. He needs to prove he's not a shitty dipshit moron with the ball in his hands.

He needs 4000 yards, a significant improvement in his completion percentage, and he needs to lead this team to a conference championship victory. I know those are tough circumstances, but he had it pretty easy last year. The dude failed miserably. Now the stakes get harder since he has to surmount the giant barrier of bullshit that he himself built.

Anything less than the statline and conference championship and I'll continue to bash the fuck out of him and run him out of town.

But hey, if he gets over that hump, I promise not to say he sucks (for awhile)

[aturnis]

It looks that way, I think we can officially rule Stanzi out.

? Really?

He threw 7 passes.

Comeback route to sideline, a little low, gut/waistline instead of chest, still very catchable.

Corner route in endzone, perfectly placed ball, should have been an easy TD, better receiver(Bowe/Baldwin) would have gotten feet down easily.

27 yard seam perfectly placed for TE.

Nice route over the middle to TE as soon as he came open for 15.

Incomplete 40 yd. pass to a scrub, under thrown but have seen worse under thrown balls caught by Cassel's receivers. You don't think this is what Cassel's deep balls to Baldwin in camp have looked like?

Overthrown deep ball almost identical route as previous. Looked like it could have been a lot closer if receiver would have kept running when he looked back, almost as though he expected it to be under thrown again.

Under heavy pressure as soon as he turned upfield after rolling out. Threw 10 yd route leaning backward off back foot. No wonder it was incomplete. More or less a throw away/safe pass. If TE doesn't get it, no one does, if you try too hard, INT.

Don't forget the 9 yd run for a first down that set up Cyrus Grays TD.



So let's count. 3 beautiful balls, 2 for 42 yds, 1 should/could have been a TD. 1 slightly under thrown still catchable ball, 2 low percentage deep balls(god forbid we attempt to go downfield, and 1 bad but smart throw under heavy pressure....

[aturnis]

iBrady improved as the talent level of his teammates evened out with the competition. To me Stanzi still looks like a project. A good throw followed by 2 bad ones.

With starters who could make plays, not scrubs who cant. How did Brady look in his preseason games his first two years?

[ChiefsCountry]

There is no way Quinn and Stanzi were B- . Stanzi was a C- at best and Quinn was a D at best.
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Both of them were solid last night. They deserved the grade I gave them.

[Gonzo]

i

With starters who could make plays, not scrubs who cant. How did Brady look in his preseason games his first two years?

Keep up the good fight, my man.

[aturnis]

Just got home from the game, here is my opinion on the quarterbacks tonight:

Quinn
*Quinn is pretty good at going through the progressions which we haven't seen in KC for a while
*His pass on the pass interfernce call was one hell of a throw. That was in my end zone and you throw that to Bowe, Baldwin or Breaston and thats six easy.
*When he threw to legit NFL roster players, he looked good. Quinn to Copper was working tonight.
*That being said, its probably a good thing he over threw Copper on that one. Copper got cheap shotted on that anyways, he might have got really crushed if that was on the money
*Running game wasn't the best when Quinn was in. I think Cyrus Gray is better than Shaun Draughn thats
*Quinn with his legs made chicken shit out chicken salad tonight a couple of times
*The bootleg on the goal line was questionable without having a tight end option IMO. But Sam Acho of Arizona slow played it perfectly. That was text book DE play.
*The interception - I didn't get a good read on it. I couldn't tell if Wylie tipped it or not. Anyways that was a time, he should have just took the sack instead of forcing something.
*Bottom line with Quinn tonight - looked good when he played with NFL talent, not so much with the camp fodder. He showed me he could step in a play if Cassel was hurt.
Quinns Grade = B-


If the Copper pass had been on the money he wouldn't have been lit up at all. If it had been lower and in front of him, he would have caught the ball in stride, Wilson didn't even bend his knees to hit Copper until the ball sailed over and Copper was defenseless. I think defensive players are going to make it a point to make hard legal hits when they can, this is one of those instances.

The interception was high and slightly behind(between head and trailing shoulder). Announcers talked like Wiley should have caught it, and he could have, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the reason the ball was intercepted was b/c of a bad throw.

My personal read on Quinn was that he padded his stats with short throws much the way Cassel would. Hung receivers out to dry, and had accuracy issues. Had a few great accurate passes on short routes early, but some of his completions were on good adjustments from the receivers.

As for the pass interference, I'll have to look again, but it looked like it could have been a better ball. If I recall, too far inside, I'll try to double check what I saw in the next day or two.

Guess my real argument for Quinn/Stanzi is Stanzi took some shots, didn't go his way. Still think the second deep ball to Bellamy it looked like Bellamy slowed in his route when he looked back for the ball. If he hadn't, he may have gotten to the ball, maybe even in stride. Tough to tell b/c Bellamy leaves the frame and you don't know how long he slowed his route for. Maybe the guy who paid for all 22 could tell us.

[aturnis]

Keep up the good fight, my man.

To tell the truth, I thought he was taking a stab at the Stazi/Tom Brady comparisons and how Brady made players look good. Guess I'm just used to everyone calling Tom Brady, Brady, and Brady Quinn, Quinn. Anyway, my point was, how good was Terrific Tom with scrubs in his first few preseason games?

O well, I look like an idiot.

[Extra Point]

Stanmszon needs to cut his hair-- the reverse George thing.

Stanzi isn't a soph-- he's still 1-1/2 frosh: '11 lockout and Haley de-programming. Progress, not perfection.

[Frankie]

Cassel is gonna have to win some games (pretty much by himself) and do well in some pressure situations. He looked good vs. the Cardinals. Who can argue with ending drives with touchdowns? He hit a couple intermediate passes and chucked a ball to a wide open Hillis. 5 of 6... That's solid. I'll take it. But let's talk more about Cassel in mid-October.
FYP.

I totally agree with you on his performance of last night. Like I said, the first two drives were more of the function of the rest of the O than our QB. An average QB would have made those passes and an average one did.

[RealSNR]

Our running game looks really fucking great.

But it doesn't look invincible.

And when it's not invincible, Cassel will lose the game.

[Planetman]

Our running game looks really ****ing great.

But it doesn't look invincible.

And when it's not invincible, Cassel will lose the game.

bit ... but ... but ... Cassel is allowed to check out of the called play this year and call his own plays!

[Phobia]

I thought Quinn & Stanzi both looked better than their numbers showed. Scrubs dropped several balls that should have been caught, but yeah - Quinn almost got Copper killed. I don't think either really distinguished themselves. They both need to play with guys who can actually catch.

[rico]

I thought Quinn & Stanzi both looked better than their numbers showed. Scrubs dropped several balls that should have been caught, but yeah - Quinn almost got Copper killed. I don't think either really distinguished themselves. They both need to play with guys who can actually catch.

I agree with this. Not to mention, they were both playing in totally different situations than each other in terms of who they were playing with, playing against and when they were put in..... it is difficult to form any real conclusions from just last night's game....

[Rasputin]

Stanzi should get this weeks 2nd team reps & get to play two full quarters against the lambs.

Oh yeah the governors cup is this week.

[RealSNR]

Stanzi demolished the Rams last year.

He'll do it again.

[rico]

From those fantasy football metrics guys who were the first ones to make the Stanzi-Brady comparisons:

In tribute to Paul Harvey, I am now going to explain to you “the rest of the story” on the play of Kevin Kolb, Ricky Stanzi, and Matt Cassel in this game. You are not going to find the following explanation/discussion in the mainstream football media, and it’s why you will either write me off as a lunatic, or you will stand firm (with your fingers crossed). Either way, I think you will stay tuned to see whether this unreal prediction will manifest itself, or you will hang around just to see a good car crash.

– Ricky Stanzi was the 3rd-string QB tonight, and went 2 for 7 for 42 yards. There is no surface reason to get excited about that stat line, there is only reason to want to fold your Dynasty/Fantasy Football cards on those numbers. In keeping with the card references — you need to hold those Stanzi cards. To take it a step further, after what I saw tonight, I am going “all-in” on Ricky Stanzi as the next Tom Brady.

As a quick rewind — I am the world’s foremost advocate of Ricky Stanzi, aside from his friends and family. Our mathematcial/statistical attempts to predict elite QBs for the NFL, landed on Ricky Stanzi in 2011 as a very high-probable NFL elite QB. So, I have a definite horse in this race.

Flat out calling Stanzi a Brady 2.0 is risky, because it would be much easier for me to couch this in terms of, “he could be good” or “he’s a sleeper.” What I hate about NFL mainstream media coverage is wishy-washy-ness. In Fantasy Football, like the stock market or any other business/walk of life, I want to make a definitive decision…and I want to be right. In Fantasy Football/business/life it’s profitable to be right ahead of everyone else. In the mainstream football media, it’s profitable to “not be wrong.” It’s safe to follow the herd. I try to never be indecisive on football matters. I hope you can appreciate that.

What I watched on tape tonight is a glimpse of QB who (barring injury) is going to be a star in the NFL. A QB who has all the computer data trends of Tom Brady, and is now throwing the ball like Brady (not Quinn) as well. I was already “all-in,” so I guess I need to “double-down” to keep the card game analogies going.

Yes, Stanzi was 2 of 7. However, let me break down how this 2 of 7 went. His first pass was a 10-15 yard alley-oop throw to the back corner of the end zone, caught by the WR, who came down with a foot out-of-bounds. Perfectly thrown, perfectly timed, and missed a TD by 12-18 inches. This night could have started 1 of 1 with a TD, and people would be orgasmic, instead it’s a simple 0 of 1 start.

On the next series, Stanzi threw a perfectly timed bullet on a 10-15 yard comeback route. The WR dropped it. Instead of now 2 of 2 for 25-30 yards and a TD, Stanzi is now a “terrible” 0 for 2. He finally completed a pass on his next throw. A beautiful read in the zone to a wide-open TE for 27 yards. The next few passes were incomplete, but were sound decisions of throwing the ball away on a blown screen play, or attempts to push the ball long in a spot where the WR could get it, but the defense couldn’t.

His final pass, a 15-yard completion to Jake O’Connell was as fine an in-stride dart you will see. The mechanics of almost every throw for Stanzi in this game were picture-perfect. He had great pocket command, no jittery feet. He ran the show like a veteran. Watching this game after watching several game other game tapes in the last 24 hours, Stanzi looks like the real deal.

Stanzi “looking good” will not be reported the next day. The media will look at his game stats of 2-7 and no TDs, and refer to their template that he doesn’t matter, and go right to fawning over Matt Cassel (5-6 for 67 yards,1 TD/0 INT). Cassel was fine, but most of his action came on simple crossing routes and dump passes. The QB that was pushing the ball vertically was Ricky Stanzi (like Matt Ryan pushed it against BAL in their preseason opener). The QB managing the game was Matt Cassel.

Cassel may start the season, and he may finish the season, but the future of this franchise is Ricky Stanzi. We predict that he will be one of the next great young QBs, but we don’t know if this is a 2012 or 2013 story. It is a story though.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Goes to town on a nacho cart after reading that.

[rico]

:) Browns fans were stoked.

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[Reerun_KC]

Well gonna need this thread now.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I've said it over and over and over and over...


Stanzi is not starting material in this league.

He will be lucky if he ever lands a backup role anywhere during his career...

Stanzi homers, let your excuses roll like the anal leakage from Clay's ass.

[lewdog]

About time you asshats realize that 5th round QBs generally don't amount to much in this league.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

About time you asshats realize that 5th round QBs generally don't amount to much in this league.

They don't realize it.

They will be making excuses for him as long as he is in the league...

[lewdog]

They don't realize it.

They will be making excuses for him as long as he is in the league...

Oh NOezzz he is from Iowa, boy knows how to throw a corn husk a mile long!!!!

[RealSNR]

They don't realize it.

They will be making excuses for him as long as he is in the league...

Just STFU. Nobody is defending him.

Now I really hope Cassel gets injured so Quinn gets to look like the giant fucking clown he really is.

[Sanka]

Too bad we cant have Cassel play with the 2nd stringers to show Stanzi how its done.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Just STFU. Nobody is defending him.

Now I really hope Cassel gets injured so Quinn gets to look like the giant ****ing clown he really is.

Oh Quinn IS an assclown.

There is NO doubt about that.

Stanzi is just a bigger one...

[lewdog]

So we still have no real QB in KC and two big assclowns that can play when Cassel gets hurt. Precious.

[RealSNR]

Oh Quinn IS an assclown.

There is NO doubt about that.

Stanzi is just a bigger one...
Based on what I saw tonight, I would agree

[-King-]

Where's aturnis?
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[BossChief]

Based on what I saw tonight, I would agree

Yup

This team had the chance to move up for Tannehill and didnt, either.

Really disappointing.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Where's aturnis?
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crying

[durtyrute]

I'm not sure what happened with Stanzi tonight, but I'll say that he definitely looked like ass.

[morphius]

All I have to say is, who is 4th on the roster?

[BossChief]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

[durtyrute]

It's almost like Stanzi is a Faider or something the way people want him to fail.

[jd1020]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

No one cares about 3rd string players who will never see the field on game days.

[Reerun_KC]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

LMAO

[Sanka]

No one cares about 3rd string players who will never see the field on game days.
Thats how I feel about Cassel, probably cause HE IS A 3RD STRINGER

[morphius]

It's almost like Stanzi is a Faider or something the way people want him to fail.
I do often wonder if other fan sites deal with so many fans always root for players on their team to fail. But I have no urge to do the research.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

No one cares about 3rd string players who will never see the field on game days.

This.

[-King-]

It's almost like Stanzi is a Faider or something the way people want him to fail.

No one WANTED him to fail. Stanzimania was just stupid.
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[Titty Meat]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

Umad?

[King_Chief_Fan]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

boo fricking hoo.........Stanzi keeps on sucking...no one wants him to fail, he just does it

[BossChief]

Facts that should out things into perspective for you bitches lighting off fireworks because Stanzi sucked iguana balls tonight.

Almost every one of us Stanzi backers also wanted the team to sign Orton...and when we didn't, wanted Tannehill...even if it took trading up for him.

I'd give you Poe and Stephenson right now for Tannehill. That's what it would have taken.

At this point we are hoping on a miracle.

[Dave Lane]

I just want to have some hope, even if it's false hope.

Cassel is certain fail, Stanzi probably is too but at least there is some small measure of hope.

[Sanka]

I have no idea how anyone could have any faith in Cassel. Hate on Stanzi all you want, but it is as clear as day that Cassel dont belong starting in this league.

[BossChief]

Umad?

No...disappointed in Stanzi and a lot of the fans of this team.

[Titty Meat]

I have no idea how anyone could have any faith in Cassel. Hate on Stanzi all you want, but it is as clear as day that Cassel dont belong starting in this league.

Nice logic.

[durtyrute]

I just want to have some hope, even if it's false hope.

Cassel is certain fail, Stanzi probably is too but at least there is some small measure of hope.

This

[the Talking Can]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

dude, the guy you said you would have drafted in the 2nd round and who would take over for Cassel by game 6 this year, that dude just shit his career out his ass...

you should just lay low on the subject

[Ming the Merciless]

No...disappointed in Stanzi and a lot of the fans of this team.

HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH

What a fuckign loser...

Go sit in the corner and take your time out like a big boy.

Play with your piddlyshit tonka trucks and suck milk out of your mom's saggy tittys.

http://www.shimarazipour.com/timeout.jpg

[durtyrute]

I have no idea how anyone could have any faith in Cassel. Hate on Stanzi all you want, but it is as clear as day that Cassel dont belong starting in this league.

and this

[BIG K]

No one WANTED him to fail. Stanzimania was just stupid.
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Wanted him to do well but, he sucks more than Casshole.....Let's move on....

[Ming the Merciless]

I love how all the bitch made haters are breaking out the streamers and balloons because one of our players had a really bad game.

Sad.

Gee that is odd....Isn't that ALL YOU FUCKING DO when it comes to Matt Cassel?

Hypocrite

[Ming the Merciless]

and this

You two are fucking idiots.....

Just when I think I have seen every moron on this board in full glory, another beautiful flower emerges to become even more full blown down's syndrome than the last...

[aturnis]

Oh Quinn IS an assclown.

There is NO doubt about that.

Stanzi is just a bigger one...

Your QBotF is an assclown now?

[Rasputin]

Stanzi looked like a rag doll out there tonight. I think he is a better passer than Quinn but Quinn a better QB with toughness. Stanzi gave the job to Quinn, & Quinn did good enough to seel the deal.


I got to see what I wanted to see out of the QBs. Maybe on another night Stanzi would have done better but he is far from starting material & really needs confidence in what he is going to do. His indecisions & pump fakes faked him out of his job & smacked down on the ground.

He also looked like a little bitch on the sideline. I wanted to see Stanzi excell & he didn't do that so time to move on. I'm ok with that, maybe another year or two he can make waves but he has to put his heart into it. No excuses he didn't get the job done.

[Titty Meat]

No...disappointed in Stanzi and a lot of the fans of this team.

You have many many times told people that they are wrong on stanzi. Just cut your losses and move on.

[BIG K]

I saw nothing from Stanzi, anyone see anything diffarent?

[BossChief]

Gee that is odd....Isn't that ALL YOU FUCKING DO when it comes to Matt Cassel?

Hypocrite

I've started at least 7 threads praising Cassel when he plays well. Probably more.

I've also been quick to point out times he has sucked.

I've been fair with him.

[Ming the Merciless]

I saw nothing from Stanzi, anyone see anything diffarent?

Yes, there are at least 3 people who STILL think Stanzi should be the starter.

Probably more.

It is fucking hilarious.

[Sanka]

You two are fucking idiots.....

Just when I think I have seen every moron on this board in full glory, another beautiful flower emerges to become even more full blown down's syndrome than the last...Down syndrome? LMFAO you think Matt Cassel is an acceptable starting NFL QB! WTF is up with that?

[Ming the Merciless]

Down syndrome? LMFAO you think Matt Cassel is an acceptable starting NFL QB! WTF is up with that?

Ok then who should be our starter that we could've had reasonably?

Either name them, or kindly shut the fuck up.

[BossChief]

dude, the guy you said you would have drafted in the 2nd round and who would take over for Cassel by game 6 this year, that dude just shit his career out his ass...

you should just lay low on the subject

Ya win some, ya lose some.

[Sanka]

Ok then who should be our starter that we could've had reasonably?

Either name them, or kindly shut the fuck up.
I would of gladly cut any ties with Cassel and signed Orton.

[RealSNR]

Oh well. At least this gives me more time to go full-press on Terrance Copper mania.

[Ming the Merciless]

I would of gladly cut any ties with Cassel and signed Orton.

We could not have REASONABLY had orton....He CHOSE to go to the cowboys for 5.5 million as a backup....

NEXT

[the Talking Can]

Ya win some, ya lose some.

that's what I'm saying....

but when you lose one, you don't get to play the 'can't believe fans are making fun of stanzi' card...

[Sanka]

I still pray to Tim Tebow every night that Matt Cassel breaks apart in mid air

[aturnis]

dude, the guy you said you would have drafted in the 2nd round and who would take over for Cassel by game 6 this year, that dude just shit his career out his ass...

you should just lay low on the subject

OH NOES! Stanzi looked like Blaine Gabbert did last year after almost a full season of experience!

Stanzi pissed down his leg. Disappointing as fuck. It IS terrible that guys are actively cheering his failure though. Especially with Cassel as the starter. I'd be rooting for any dildo to prove himself a QBotF.

Like I said in other threads, it looks like Stanzi is WAY behind mentally in the offense. Too bad.

[Ming the Merciless]

that's what I'm saying....

but when you lose one, you don't get to play the 'can't believe fans are making fun of stanzi' card...

Especially when you make fun of other players when they have shitty days.....that is called being a douchey hypocrite.

[Sanka]

We could not have REASONABLY had orton....He CHOSE to go to the cowboys for 5.5 million as a backup....

NEXTREALLY? So if Pioli said hey Kyle, we have decided to cut ties with that fuck face we HAD for a QB and decided to use you as our starting QB he would of opted for Dallas?

[Fritz88]

I could have settled for Flynn.
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[Ming the Merciless]

. It IS terrible that guys are actively cheering his failure though.

I actually did not see more than maybe ONE person cheering for his failure.

And even that one person was sort of borderline....

I have seen many more people rooting for Cassel to fail, even today, than I have ever seen root for stanzi to fail....

There WERE a lot of people who turned on him, and laughed at him AFTER he failed...but that is different.

[aturnis]

Gee that is odd....Isn't that ALL YOU ****ING DO when it comes to Matt Cassel?

Hypocrite

Not many celebrate his failure, they just acknowledge and point it out.

[BossChief]

that's what I'm saying....

but when you lose one, you don't get to play the 'can't believe fans are making fun of stanzi' card...

Hey..at least I'm here taking my lumps.

I'm not like Mecca where I talk a guy up and when he sucks, just flat out disappear.

[Ming the Merciless]

REALLY? So if Pioli said hey Kyle, we have decided to cut ties with that **** face we HAD for a QB and decided to use you as our starting QB he would of opted for Dallas?

Well, he CHOSE to go to Dallas KNOWING he wopuld not be the #1,when he couldve stayed in KC with a new head coach and tried to battle it out in camp....So you tell me, kid.

[aturnis]

Stanzi looked like a rag doll out there tonight. I think he is a better passer than Quinn but Quinn a better QB with toughness. Stanzi gave the job to Quinn, & Quinn did good enough to seel the deal.


I got to see what I wanted to see out of the QBs. Maybe on another night Stanzi would have done better but he is far from starting material & really needs confidence in what he is going to do. His indecisions & pump fakes faked him out of his job & smacked down on the ground.

He also looked like a little bitch on the sideline. I wanted to see Stanzi excell & he didn't do that so time to move on. I'm ok with that, maybe another year or two he can make waves but he has to put his heart into it. No excuses he didn't get the job done.

Well put.

[Ming the Merciless]

Not many celebrate his failure, they just acknowledge and point it out.

'not many' is pretty subjective. I will grant you that 'not many ' do in REAL LIFE...But a shocking number of people on this message board do and have.

[durtyrute]

Yea, Stanzi was complete ass tonight. There is nothing more to say about that. It doesn't mean that I will just give up on him, though. He really was playing like a scared bitch when he was out there. Shit, he kinda looked like a bitch on the bench as well. But, I'll still back him. I know that it's there. I just hope he can get it together.

[BossChief]

Especially when you make fun of other players when they have shitty days.....that is called being a douchey hypocrite.

Shut up, pussy.

You have had me on ignore and chose after this game to take me off and respond to some posts.

Hypocrite.

Now, go back to sucking the sperm out of Cassels condoms.

[Sanka]

Well, he CHOSE to go to Dallas KNOWING he wopuld not be the #1,when he couldve stayed in KC with a new head coach and tried to battle it out in camp....So you tell me, kid.
Pretty sure he knows the writing is on the wall that he has no chance in hell with us knowing the man crush Pioli has on Cassel and that Romo is on the hot seat.

[aturnis]

Yes, there are at least 3 people who STILL think Stanzi should be the starter.

Probably more.

It is ****ing hilarious.

Name one.

[Ming the Merciless]

Pretty sure he knows the writing is on the wall that he has no chance in hell with us knowing the man crush Pioli has on Cassel and that Romo is on the hot seat.

Where do you honestly think he had a better shot at WINNING a job?

Dallas or KC?

Come on Kid...youre wasting time....You fail.

[Ming the Merciless]

Name one.

There are people in this post if you scroll back, if I scroll back for you and find the posts will you admit you are wrong?

Edit:

Why don't you make a poll in a couple days......i bet 10% or more would still vote for Stanzi

[aturnis]

Hey..at least I'm here taking my lumps.

I'm not like Mecca where I talk a guy up and when he sucks, just flat out disappear.

You think any of the guys dishing it out would be here taking their lumps right now? Doubtful.

[Sanka]

Where do you honestly think he had a better shot at WINNING a job?

Dallas or KC?

Come on Kid...youre wasting time....You fail.
Neither. But realistically he has a better chance of being the Cowboys starting QB.

[Ming the Merciless]

You think any of the guys dishing it out would be here taking their lumps right now? Doubtful.

Shit I have taken a few lumps over the last 3 years. I'm here...

I'm a giver and taker.

[Sanka]

There are people in this post if you scroll back, if I scroll back for you and find the posts will you admit you are wrong?

Edit:

Why don't you make a poll in a couple days......i bet 10% or more would still vote for Stanzi No one on the Chiefs roster deserves to be the starting QB

[Ming the Merciless]

Neither. But realistically he has a better chance of being the Cowboys starting QB.

You mean now that he plays for the cowboys? LOL my god....ROFL

[-King-]

Neither. But realistically he has a better chance of being the Cowboys starting QB.

No he doesn't.
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[Ming the Merciless]

No one on the Chiefs roster deserves to be the starting QB

Oh right. So who can we pick up in free agency then? Trade maybe?

You are such a genius, please enlighten us.

[aturnis]

There are people in this post if you scroll back, if I scroll back for you and find the posts will you admit you are wrong?

Edit:

Why don't you make a poll in a couple days......i bet 10% or more would still vote for Stanzi

Sure. Not one single Stanzi fan has come out and said he should be the starter after the game he just played...

[Ming the Merciless]

Sure. Not one single Stanzi fan has come out and said he should be the starter after the game he just played...

I just want to have some hope, even if it's false hope.

Cassel is certain fail, Stanzi probably is too but at least there is some small measure of hope.

Thats Dave Lane STILL saying Stanzi is better.

Sanka did and dirtyrute basically did...and thats just what I saw today.

Even Bosschief DEEP in his heart probably still wants Stanzi to be QB.

Tell you what , I'll make a poll in a couple days to show you that you are 100% wrong.

[Imon Yourside]

We saw Stanzi, and Stanzi blows. There can't be any mistake, he is not good and I doubt will ever be an NFL QB. Now let's start the Quinn lovefest. :)

[durtyrute]

Even after this game I still think Stanzi has a higher ceiling than Matt. How can one player who never even played college ball be better than one who played what, three or four years? This was his first "real" action and he shit himself, but he'll be back.

[Imon Yourside]

Even after this game I still think Stanzi has a higher ceiling than Matt. How can one player who never even played college ball be better than one who played what, three or four years? This was his first "real" action and he shit himself, but he'll be back.

I wanted to believe, he doesn't have "It".

[Sanka]

I would love to see what the "All Pro" Matt Cassel would be able to do with our second stringers.

[aturnis]

Oh right. So who can we pick up in free agency then? Trade maybe?

You are such a genius, please enlighten us.

You are not getting his point. It has nothing to do with "someone needs to be the starting QB", he's right, no one on this roster is an starting quality QB, but b/c we need one, one of them will be.

Stop asking "WHO THEN?!" It doesn't matter who, but the dumb assessment keep answering making you think your question is valid when it isn't.

Cassel SHOULDN'T be a starting NFL QB, but his is and will be. Hope more than ever now that we drafted a QB first round, and I've hoped pretty badly for years now.

[Ming the Merciless]

Even after this game I still think Stanzi has a higher ceiling than Matt.

There you go Aturnis, can you now admit you are wrong?

[durtyrute]

I wanted to believe, he doesn't have "It".

One preseason game in basically his first year is not enough for me to give up on a guy. This is the same shit I've been saying for a while. People act like whatever "magic qb" we trade up to get won't possibly have the exact same game. One half of football and you guys want to send him off to Timbucktoo(sp)

[Ming the Merciless]

Stop asking "WHO THEN?!" It doesn't matter who, but the dumb assessment keep answering making you think your question is valid when it isn't.


Yes it is. You are a god damn moron. If you say X, Y or Z is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be a QB/WR/OL etc.... on this team / NFL , you need to have a replacement for them. Otherwise guess what? THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH (at least until someone replaces them). Stupid ass.

[aturnis]

Thats Dave Lane STILL saying Stanzi is better.

Sanka did and dirtyrute basically did...and thats just what I saw today.

Even Bosschief DEEP in his heart probably still wants Stanzi to be QB.

Tell you what , I'll make a poll in a couple days to show you that you are 100% wrong.

That's one hell of a reach. There is hope. All hope isn't lost my new one game. He has shown a good arm and ability, just seems to have some holes in his game at this point. That might never change, but it probably has a better chance of happening than Cassel taking this stacked team to the Bowl...

[Imon Yourside]

One preseason game in basically his first year is not enough for me to give up on a guy. This is the same shit I've been saying for a while. People act like whatever "magic qb" we trade up to get won't possibly have the exact same game. One half of football and you guys want to send him off to Timbucktoo(sp)

I've wanted to see him, wanted to believe. I know a couple of guys that went to Iowa and they told me last year He sucks. They would be the 1st guys to defend him and they were happy to see him leave Iowa.

[Ming the Merciless]

That's one hell of a reach.

Yah, I knew you weren't honorable enough to admit you are wrong. Fucking troll.

[aturnis]

We saw Stanzi, and Stanzi blows. There can't be any mistake, he is not good and I doubt will ever be an NFL QB. Now let's start the Quinn lovefest. :)

Gabbert looks much improved, he looked TERRIBLE last year. At times he looked worse than Stanzi did tonight.

[durtyrute]

If you want to give up on a player after a couple of quarters of preseason ball, you might as well give up on DJ, T-Jack, Dorsey, Lewis, Routt, Powe, Copper, Dex, Cassel, Toribio, Gordon, Mims, and damn near everyone else on the team.

[aturnis]

There you go Aturnis, can you now admit you are wrong?

Did he say Stanzi should be the starter this year over Cassel? No. Okay then.

Stanzi does have a high ceiling, but also a floor. What those are have yet to be determined. We won't know until Stanzi is completely out of football what they are.

[Ming the Merciless]

If you want to give up on a player after a couple of quarters of preseason ball, you might as well give up on DJ, T-Jack, Dorsey, Lewis, Routt, Powe, Copper, Dex, Cassel, Toribio, Gordon, Mims, and damn near everyone else on the team.

I for one won't 'give up' on Stanzi.

Unless you mean 'giving up' on him being the starter this season......

Just because he isn't the starter doesn't mean he cant be an asset or improve....

He's not the #1

Big deal theres 2's and 3's on every team.

[aturnis]

Yes it is. You are a god damn moron. If you say X, Y or Z is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be a QB/WR/OL etc.... on this team / NFL , you need to have a replacement for them. Otherwise guess what? THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH (at least until someone replaces them). Stupid ass.

You are a real fucking mental midget aren't you? Cassel shouldn't be a starting NFL QB, but he will be. Is that not a fair statement?

[Ming the Merciless]

Did he say Stanzi should be the starter this year over Cassel? No. Okay then.

Stanzi does have a high ceiling, but also a floor. What those are have yet to be determined. We won't know until Stanzi is completely out of football what they are.

Look , clearly you are a stupid, stupid person. YOU still want stanzi to be the starter but youre too much of a pussy to come out and say so. Thats ok. I will show you that you are wrong in a few days/ a week.

I know youre not man enough to admit you are wrong now, you probably won't be in a few days.....but you and I both know you are a dumb ass, and that is all that matters.

[BossChief]

David Garrard
Matt Moore
Ryan Tannehill
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden (after trade downs that we shot down)
Andy Dalton
Josh Freeman
Jason Campbell
Joe Flacco

Most of those guys would be a legit backup/competition for the starters spot.

[Ming the Merciless]

You are a real ****ing mental midget aren't you? Cassel shouldn't be a starting NFL QB, but he will be. Is that not a fair statement?

No it is not a fair statement, unless you are GOD. WHo the fuck are you to say that Cassel shouldnt be a starter...Some pussy ass bitch in his mom's basement who never even played sports. Fuck off.

[aturnis]

I've wanted to see him, wanted to believe. I know a couple of guys that went to Iowa and they told me last year He sucks. They would be the 1st guys to defend him and they were happy to see him leave Iowa.

Not true. The fanbase was split on Stanzi vs. Vandenberg. So far, Vandenberg sucks balls and holds the team back.

[Sanka]

Big deal theres 2's and 3's on every team.Yup! Unfortunately for us Chief fans, our starting QB All Pro Mark Castle probably wouldnt even start in the Canadian League.

[durtyrute]

I for one won't 'give up' on Stanzi.

Unless you mean 'giving up' on him being the starter this season......

Just because he isn't the starter doesn't mean he cant be an asset or improve....

He's not the #1

Big deal theres 2's and 3's on every team.

I mean in general. All of the haters are coming in here basically saying he should be banished from football for life because of two quarters of preseason ball.

[Ming the Merciless]

Yup! Unfortunately for us Chief fans, our starting QB All Pro Mark Castle probably wouldnt even start in the Canadian League.

Yet he is starting in the NFL and actually looking pretty good so far this pre season....

[aturnis]

If you want to give up on a player after a couple of quarters of preseason ball, you might as well give up on DJ, T-Jack, Dorsey, Lewis, Routt, Powe, Copper, Dex, Cassel, Toribio, Gordon, Mims, and damn near everyone else on the team.

Truth. The entire team sucked balls. I'll rewatch eventually, dunno if I'll find many positive performances. Boss, Cassel once the Rams 2's came in, McCluster.

[Ming the Merciless]

I mean in general. All of the haters are coming in here basically saying he should be banished from football for life because of two quarters of preseason ball.

I agree with you that is lame, just as lame as the Cassel haters that say stupid ass shit.

They all battle and put it on the line.....the coaches and FO pick the guys they think will take them farthest...

Backups are HUGELY important.....

SHit I hope stanzi lights it up next week.

[Just Passin' By]

I mean in general. All of the haters are coming in here basically saying he should be banished from football for life because of two quarters of preseason ball.

And all his supporters were trying to claim that his lousy 2-for-7 performance last week was really a brilliant 6-for-7 game.

The worm turns quickly on this site.

[okcchief]

I could have settled for Flynn.
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Yeah, because bringing in backups who have flashed has worked so well for us.

Anything but drafting or signing a big name QBOTF is bullshit.

[aturnis]

Look , clearly you are a stupid, stupid person. YOU still want stanzi to be the starter but youre too much of a pussy to come out and say so. Thats ok. I will show you that you are wrong in a few days/ a week.

I know youre not man enough to admit you are wrong now, you probably won't be in a few days.....but you and I both know you are a dumb ass, and that is all that matters.

No, I actually am not sure he'll be around come next training camp, and I'd understand that. You're a real piece of work.

[durtyrute]

Truth. The entire team sucked balls. I'll rewatch eventually, dunno if I'll find many positive performances. Boss, Cassel once the Rams 2's came in, McCluster.

Comparing apples to apples I was talking about those players first few quarters like tonights was Ricky's first few. His first full offseason and this is the longest he's played. Now go back and think about Cassel when he first came, or Dorsey or T Jack, hell it even took Tamba a minute.

[aturnis]

No it is not a fair statement, unless you are GOD. WHo the **** are you to say that Cassel shouldnt be a starter...Some pussy ass bitch in his mom's basement who never even played sports. **** off.

OH my god you're dumb.

[Sanka]

Yet he is starting in the NFL and actually looking pretty good so far this pre season....LOOKOUT!
Mark Castle is tearing it up in preseason checking it down the Jamaal Charles and getting passes batted down at the LOS! SUPER BOWL! MARK IT DOWN! Lets see what would happen if our awesome All Pro QB were to play with our second stringers.

[aturnis]

Yet he is starting in the NFL and actually looking pretty good so far this pre season....

80% of his passes have been checkdowns or to the slot in the short flats. None too inspiring. Not until the Rams 2's came in that is...

[Ming the Merciless]

OH my god you're dumb.

Wait I'm dumb because I think it is stupid to say he SHOULDNT be the starter (even though there is no one to replace him) and youre a genius because you think he isn't good enough to be in the NFL, despite him actually being in the NFL?

Seriously you are a worthless pile of shit.

[aturnis]

Pwnmower, how many passes has Cassel completed to his #1 & #2 WR this preseason?

One, on a quick slant mere yards from the LOS. Dex, Charles and now Boss have carried him this offseason. Boss again,against St. Louis backups.

[aturnis]

Wait I'm dumb because I think it is stupid to say he SHOULDNT be the starter (even though there is no one to replace him) and youre a genius because you think he isn't good enough to be in the NFL, despite him actually being in the NFL?

Seriously you are a worthless pile of shit.

I didn't say he shouldn't be THE starter. This season, he obviously is. I said he shouldn't be A starter, at all in this league. He will be though, b/c the Chiefs HAVE to have a starting QB, and of the options available this minute, he makes the most sense.

You are still a fucking retard.

[Ralphy Boy]

Stanzi needs a haircut.

[Just Passin' By]

Pwnmower, how many passes has Cassel completed to his #1 & #2 WR this preseason?

One, on a quick slant mere yards from the LOS. Dex, Charles and now Boss have carried him this offseason. Boss again,against St. Louis backups.

He's moving the team, which is his job. You don't know the play call. You don't know the order of progression. You do know that Cassel's the only QB who's showing any real ability to get the job done. Quit with the bullshit already.

[Ming the Merciless]

One, on a quick slant mere yards from the LOS.

Wrong. You are retarded.

[aturnis]

He's moving the team, which is his job. You don't know the play call. You don't know the order of progression. You do know that Cassel's the only QB who's showing any real ability to get the job done. Quit with the bullshit already.

Eat a dick. I do know that he looked downfield and even thought about throwing it downfield, almost did a few times, but then he chickened out and threw to Charles or McCluster and even Draughn.

[aturnis]

Wrong. You are retarded.

Baldwin and Breaston have combined for 1 catch from Cassel and how many targets? Two I can think of...

[Tribal Warfare]

I'll give Cassel credit for 16 yard play on 3rd 15 to Boss, but the rest were very safe and low risk checkdowns or 1st reads.

[jd1020]

Truth. The entire team sucked balls. I'll rewatch eventually, dunno if I'll find many positive performances. Boss, Cassel once the Rams 2's came in, McCluster.

Cassel wasn't good once the 2's came in. Cassel had an all around solid game. Baldwin fumbled on the second play of the game but Cassel was very accurate with his passes tonight, from the start.

[Just Passin' By]

Eat a dick. I do know that he looked downfield and even thought about throwing it downfield, almost did a few times, but then he chickened out and threw to Charles or McCluster and even Draughn.

You were handing out rations of shit during the week, and now you're just another asshat who can't take it when the truth is tossed back at you. Go find someone in central Asia who's never heard of football before. Maybe you can fool them them into thinking you know what the hell you're talking about for a little while.

[jd1020]

I'll give Cassel credit for 16 yard play on 3rd 15 to Boss, but the rest were very safe and low risk checkdowns or 1st reads.

Did you shut your eyes for the 2 minute offensive possession?

[aturnis]

Cassel wasn't good once the 2's came in. Cassel had an all around solid game. Baldwin fumbled on the second play of the game but Cassel was very accurate with his passes tonight, from the start.

If you consider throwing checkdowns and short passes to the flats solid. It wasn't until the 2's came in for St. Louis that he tried to push the ball down the field.

[Tribal Warfare]

Did you shut your eyes for the 2 minute offensive possession?

again, pretty safe checks to Draughn then quick 1st or 2nd read passes to Boss. Cassel is going to get killed when they start gameplanning for that.

[aturnis]

You were handing out rations of shit during the week, and now you're just another asshat who can't take it when the truth is tossed back at you. Go find someone in central Asia who's never heard of football before. Maybe you can fool them them into thinking you know what the hell you're talking about for a little while.

? Que? :spock:

[aturnis]

Did you shut your eyes for the 2 minute offensive possession?

You mean against St. Louis's entire second team?

[jd1020]

If you consider throwing checkdowns and short passes to the flats solid. It wasn't until the 2's came in for St. Louis that he tried to push the ball down the field.

I'll bitch about check downs when they dont gain enough yards for firsts. Cassel was solid. Just because your man crush crapped a jurassic park mountain sized pile of shit on the field doesn't mean Cassel sucked as well.

[jd1020]

You mean against St. Louis's entire second team?

What defense was Stanzi playing against?

[aturnis]

I'll bitch about check downs when they dont gain enough yards for firsts. Cassel was solid. Just because your man crush crapped a jurassic park mountain sized pile of shit on the field doesn't mean Cassel sucked as well.

Have I not admitted Stanzi was the worst QB KC fielded tonight? Are you all a bunch of cockbags?

Cassel did nothing to impress anyone, period. When he does, I'll be the first to admit it. He had a few impressive throws against second stringers. That's it.

You think checkdowns will win a Super Bowl? Good luck with that.

[aturnis]

What defense was Stanzi playing against?

What does Stanzi have to do with Cassel? Nothing. Got it.

[jd1020]

Have I not admitted Stanzi was the worst QB KC fielded tonight? Are you all a bunch of cockbags?

Cassel did nothing to impress anyone, period. When he does, I'll be the first to admit it. He had a few impressive throws against second stringers. That's it.

You think checkdowns will win a Super Bowl? Good luck with that.

13/18 for 142 yards and moving the ball down the field consistently, minus 1 turnover (not by Cassel). What a shitty job by Cassel tonight. Consider me unimpressed.

[Just Passin' By]

Have I not admitted Stanzi was the worst QB KC fielded tonight? Are you all a bunch of cockbags?

Cassel did nothing to impress anyone, period. When he does, I'll be the first to admit it. He had a few impressive throws against second stringers. That's it.

You think checkdowns will win a Super Bowl? Good luck with that.

Know how I know you're full of shit?

[aturnis]

13/18 for 142 yards and moving the ball down the field consistently, minus 1 turnover (not by Cassel). What a shitty job by Cassel tonight. Consider me unimpressed.

How many of those yards were against second stringers?

[BossChief]

Aturnis, Cassel didn't have a bad game.

Stanzi did.

DId Cassel check it down? yeah, all qbs do.

Did he throw a few passes that were intermediate? yes, and they were mostly on target with good zip to them.

Im anxious to see Bowe back in the lineup and to see how that helps everyone else.

[jd1020]

How many of those yards were against second stringers?

WTF is your point? He was good and making accurate throws against the 1st stringers as well. If Baldwin doesn't fumble the ball on the first fucking pass play he may not have been in there for the entire first half.

[DeezNutz]

Cassel looked fine. Conservative, but generally effective and poised. Least of the worries tonight.

[Just Passin' By]

Aturnis, Cassel didn't have a bad game.

Stanzi did.

DId Cassel check it down? yeah, all qbs do.

Did he throw a few passes that were intermediate? yes, and they were mostly on target with good zip to them.

Im anxious to see Bowe back in the lineup and to see how that helps everyone else.

This is off-topic, and you may not have seen it (I didn't pay attention to it myself, which is why I'm asking you), but how was Baldwin at getting off the line tonight, in your opinion?

[BossChief]

This is off-topic, and you may not have seen it (I didn't pay attention to it myself, which is why I'm asking you), but how was Baldwin at getting off the line tonight, in your opinion?

I was too busy getting the bottles of lotion ready to notice.