Misc Is Johnny Cash country? [Archive]

Bump

08-24-2012, 08:46 PM

I hear a lot that Johnny Cash is country, then others say he's the first rap artist and others say he's not country at all, more southern blues type or something.

I love me some Johnny Cash and I absolutely HATE country music and I gotta say, Cash doesn't sound like country music to me. Maybe I'm in denial that I love a country artist or something, but it doesn't sound like country at all to me.

So what have you Chiefsplanet. Is this legend country music or something else?

MOhillbilly

08-24-2012, 08:47 PM

Some of it damn sure is.

Planetman

08-24-2012, 08:48 PM

Actually, Johnny Cash is DEAD!

Bump

08-24-2012, 08:48 PM

woops, I failed the poll lol

Old Dog

08-24-2012, 08:50 PM

Maybe I'm in denial that I love a country artist or something

I think you already have it figured out

Buehler445

08-24-2012, 08:51 PM

There's good country out there. And it includes Johnny Cash.

KChiefer

08-24-2012, 08:54 PM

There's good country out there. And it includes Johnny Cash.

This

I you say "Y'all" and use a slide guitar, you're country.

I guess if you wanna call it Classic Country. Patsy Cline? Classic Country.

I like Wilco, Alt-Country. I like Jenny Lewis, She has a Gospel/Country sound.

mikeyis4dcats.

08-24-2012, 08:54 PM

a friend of mine likes to play the game "Country or Western?"

I hate both.

Black Bob

08-24-2012, 08:55 PM

I'm not a country fan but he's country. At least he was until the end of his career. I love anyone with that much soul. I'm not a motown guy but I feel Aretha Franklin's soul when I hear her. Same with the blues and Muddy Waters. It's like Reggae and Bob Marley.

All of those people are beyond genre I guess. It's something so rare that it's hard to pinpoint. I just know it has to do with soul.

He deeper than deep.

cabletech94

08-24-2012, 09:10 PM

if you have to ask, then you really don't know, now do ya?

Deberg_1990

08-24-2012, 09:10 PM

This is one of the reasons that made Cash great...he's hard to classify.

mr. tegu

08-24-2012, 09:21 PM

I would say country in the same sense that the Beatles were rock n roll. Looking back you don't necessarily call them that if you are comparing them to today's music. But without them neither genre is what it is today without them.

KS Smitty

08-24-2012, 09:21 PM

Johnny has listed Hank Sr., Ernest Tubb, The Carter Family, and others as influences on his muse. He has been inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Gospel Music Hall of Fame.

How can that be classified?

Black Bob

08-24-2012, 09:24 PM

Johnny has listed Hank Sr., Ernest Tubb, The Carter Family, and others as influences on his muse. He has been inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Gospel Music Hall of Fame.

How can that be classified?

Wow man.... and he should have been...

Marcellus

08-24-2012, 09:31 PM

I am at a loss that this is even a question.

Superbowltrashcan

08-24-2012, 09:34 PM

When I worked in a record store chain long ago there were a handful of artists listed on an index card near the register along with the classification where their albums were located. We had to know these because people would get frustrated looking in one genre trying to find an artist and the artist would be elsewhere. Johnny Cash headed up that list.... People looked all kinds of places for him.... Crazy...

Iowanian

08-24-2012, 09:36 PM

Anyone who listens to Long Black Veil and doesn't think JC is country is dumber than a bag of pygmy dicks.

Baby Lee

08-24-2012, 09:57 PM

When 610 AM was THE country station in KC? sure.

When Taylor Swift tops the charts? Tougher call. But that speaks more to the [de]volution of country than anything.

RickObie

08-24-2012, 09:59 PM

I know it's confusing because people think that Rascall Flatts and lady Antebellum are country but they're not - they're shit! So does that answer your question? Wait I'm confused now.

pr_capone

08-24-2012, 10:01 PM

Anyone who listens to Long Black Veil and doesn't think JC is country is dumber than a bag of pygmy dicks.

I never realized a person could quantify the level of intelligence of a single pygmy dick... much less a whole bag of them.

Impressive sir.

Bump

08-24-2012, 10:53 PM

I am at a loss that this is even a question.

is that right? cause the poll results are damn near 50/50

Reaper16

08-24-2012, 11:07 PM

"The first rap artist?"

KcMizzou

08-24-2012, 11:12 PM

When 610 AM was THE country station in KC? sure.
You're older than I thought. I listened to that as a kid when I was helping my grandpa pour basements. (or trying to help, anyway0

MOhillbilly

08-24-2012, 11:13 PM

Lefty frizzell is another old timer that doesn't fit a genre.

Raiderhater

08-24-2012, 11:21 PM

His music was considered Outlaw Country for a reason. Definitely country. Definitely not Nashville.

stevieray

08-24-2012, 11:32 PM

Cash is an icon.. he doesn't fit in a box.

stevieray

08-24-2012, 11:33 PM

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listopencil

08-25-2012, 12:29 AM

listopencil

08-25-2012, 12:33 AM

BWillie

08-25-2012, 12:36 AM

I know he's worshipped but I think his music is garbage. It literally hurts my ears and his voice is worse than that maroon 5 guys although not similarly sounding. He absolutely destroyed Trent Reznors "hurt", no idea how ppl think that us a good rendering of it

listopencil

08-25-2012, 12:37 AM

listopencil

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listopencil

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listopencil

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listopencil

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listopencil

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BillSelfsTrophycase

08-25-2012, 01:58 AM

I know he's worshipped but I think his music is garbage. It literally hurts my ears and his voice is worse than that maroon 5 guys although not similarly sounding. He absolutely destroyed Trent Reznors "hurt", no idea how ppl think that us a good rendering of it

Okay, your music takes are hereafter discredited

Good to know

Paperboy405

08-25-2012, 02:18 AM

Hung my head by cash always makes me tear up a little. His american records made so many songs that others write his own. Much like Bob Dylan said all along the watchtower was a jimmy hendrix song, Trent Reznor said the same of hurt. Hurt is a modern classic, Video is sad as hell also.

Paperboy405

08-25-2012, 02:19 AM

|Zach|

08-25-2012, 02:40 AM

I think genres are kind of silly...music is so dynamic.

I often wonder about the line of separation between a lot of modern folk music I enjoy and country music.

Paperboy405

08-25-2012, 02:54 AM

I think genres are kind of silly...music is so dynamic.

I often wonder about the line of separation between a lot of modern folk music I enjoy and country music.

Exactly i have a lot of friends who are hipsters that love mumford & sons and ague with me how I say they are basically a bluegrass band. They tend to argue that they are not because being a hipster you knew something is cool before anyone else beside the point i introduced them to the band in the first place.

Paperboy405

08-25-2012, 02:54 AM

NSFW

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Paperboy405

08-25-2012, 03:04 AM

You seriously have to have a black heart to not think mumford & sons kick ass. I know there is some old-timers on here but
this stuff is golden for all ages.
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Nzoner

08-25-2012, 03:07 AM

Baby Lee

08-25-2012, 06:35 AM

Love that song and this video put to it...

Great scene from Terminator TV series

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Black Bob

08-25-2012, 06:38 AM

gblowfish

08-25-2012, 09:28 AM

Actually, Johnny Cash is DEAD!

I took this picture about a month after Cash died. It was on an abandoned gas station by Shawnee Bend at the Lake of the Ozarks.

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 09:32 AM

Cash is a country pioneer. So he melded other influences into his music... so did/do a lot of other artists.

Pitt Gorilla

08-25-2012, 09:45 AM

I would say country in the same sense that the Beatles were rock n roll. Looking back you don't necessarily call them that if you are comparing them to today's music. But without them neither genre is what it is today without them.I'm not sure I'd want that as part of my resume (on the country side).

Rasputin

08-25-2012, 10:00 AM

Rasputin

08-25-2012, 10:11 AM

WhiteWhale

08-25-2012, 10:47 AM

I would say country in the same sense that the Beatles were rock n roll. Looking back you don't necessarily call them that if you are comparing them to today's music. But without them neither genre is what it is today without them.

I view the beatles as the first pop-rock band.

Cash is like Elvis of country. He IS country... but a lot of his music really isn't. He transcends genres. The guy had gospel albums and everything else. He didn't just do one thing. He was just a great musician.

Nzoner

08-25-2012, 11:37 AM

Great scene from Terminator TV series

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Never seen the tv series but very much enjoyed that clip. :thumb:

Predarat

08-25-2012, 12:31 PM

He is kind of county but kind of his own thing too.

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:02 PM

Since we're posting JC vids I thought I'd post my favorite.

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:04 PM

plus one

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:06 PM

OK, plus 2

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Deberg_1990

08-25-2012, 02:06 PM

plus one

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Love this. Those American recording albums he made with Rick Rubin were great.

Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:09 PM

Love this. Those American recording albums he made with Rick Rubin were great.

Right there with ya.

Baby Lee

08-25-2012, 02:10 PM

Since we're posting JC vids I thought I'd post my favorite.

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And there, you have the nexus of Roger Miller, Janis Joplin, Shel Silverstein and Barbara Streisand, . . . Kris Kristofferson writing for Johnny Cash.

patteeu

08-25-2012, 02:12 PM

Reaper told me that Johnny Cash is Death Country (or Black Country, I can't remember which).

Baby Lee

08-25-2012, 02:12 PM

IMO this is the epitome of Country Royalty

Got married in a fever, hotter than a pepper sprout

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Conway and Loretta a close second.

LiveSteam

08-25-2012, 02:13 PM

plus one

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This song is awesome

Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:14 PM

And there, you have the nexus of Roger Miller, Janis Joplin, Shel Silverstein and Barbara Streisand, . . . Kris Kristofferson writing for Johnny Cash.

Kristofferson was such a great writer. Lacked as a singer but the man could write like few others.

Deberg_1990

08-25-2012, 02:15 PM

Cash/Waylon/Kristofferson/Nelson was pretty Boss.

Deberg_1990

08-25-2012, 02:16 PM

Kristofferson was such a great writer. Lacked as a singer but the man could write like few others.

Ive always liked him as an actor too. Definately had a certain grizzled presence.

Baby Lee

08-25-2012, 02:16 PM

Kristofferson was such a great writer. Lacked as a singer but the man could write like few others.

Another sentimental favorite

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:18 PM

Cash/Waylon/Kristofferson/Nelson was pretty Boss.

Word. This song is great all the way through, but when JC comes in on his part in the 4th verse it just seems to take a leap to a different level to me.

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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:24 PM

Another sentimental favorite

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Wow, I'd forgot about that one. Nice.

Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 02:41 PM

IMO this is the epitome of Country Royalty

Got married in a fever, hotter than a pepper sprout

When my daughter was younger we used to listen to one of my JC cd's in the car on trips a lot and her and I would share the parts on that one back and forth. She'd belt out June's parts, heh. Good times.

Here's a cool performance of Sunday Morning Comin Down with Cash and Kristofferson together.

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-King-

08-25-2012, 02:44 PM

I view the beatles as the first pop-rock band.

Cash is like Elvis of country. He IS country... but a lot of his music really isn't. He transcends genres. The guy had gospel albums and everything else. He didn't just do one thing. He was just a great musician.

Fuck Elvis. Talentless thief.

bandwagonjumper

08-25-2012, 03:45 PM

I'm in no way a country music fan but I didn't even realize that Taylor Swift was considered by some as country music. For me Johnny Cash is definetly country. Mind you its all about the music industy putting artists in pigeon holes so there can sell them easier.

Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 04:14 PM

I'm in no way a country music fan but I didn't even realize that Taylor Swift was considered by some as country music. For me Johnny Cash is definetly country. Mind you its all about the music industy putting artists in pigeon holes so there can sell them easier.

Taylor came out as a country artist and her early stuff was. Her cross over is more recent.

Psyko Tek

08-25-2012, 04:17 PM

I hear a lot that Johnny Cash is country, then others say he's the first rap artist and others say he's not country at all, more southern blues type or something.

I love me some Johnny Cash and I absolutely HATE country music and I gotta say, Cash doesn't sound like country music to me. Maybe I'm in denial that I love a country artist or something, but it doesn't sound like country at all to me.

So what have you Chiefsplanet. Is this legend country music or something else?

he is what country wishes it was

stevieray

08-25-2012, 04:42 PM

**** Elvis. Talentless thief.

imaybe in your world.

Ace Gunner

08-25-2012, 05:21 PM

I hear a lot that Johnny Cash is country, then others say he's the first rap artist and others say he's not country at all, more southern blues type or something.

I love me some Johnny Cash and I absolutely HATE country music and I gotta say, Cash doesn't sound like country music to me. Maybe I'm in denial that I love a country artist or something, but it doesn't sound like country at all to me.

So what have you Chiefsplanet. Is this legend country music or something else?

Cash is a country artist. That shit you hate they call country is just pop garbage for the masses. masses of fucking idiots.

Radar Chief

08-25-2012, 05:25 PM

**** Elvis. Talentless thief.

Chuck D, is that you?

Rain Man

08-25-2012, 05:35 PM

Anyone who says Johnny Cash is the first rap artist is doing nothing more than trying to legitimize rap. Johnny Cash made music, not rap.

For the longest time I would've said he was country, but I think he was actually a hybrid of country and something else. Not sure what. Maybe he was a forerunner of the southern rock genre.

jspchief

08-25-2012, 05:39 PM

What difference does it make? Call it whatever the hell makes you feel better. Only Reaper cares about this shit.

Chiefshrink

08-25-2012, 05:45 PM

I credit Cash for Rockabilly and forerunner for Southern Rock.

Radar Chief

08-25-2012, 05:48 PM

I credit Cash for Rockabilly and forerunner for Southern Rock.

Uh, what? /Carl Perkins

ghak99

08-25-2012, 05:57 PM

I know he's worshipped but I think his music is garbage. It literally hurts my ears and his voice is worse than that maroon 5 guys although not similarly sounding. He absolutely destroyed Trent Reznors "hurt", no idea how ppl think that us a good rendering of it

Go fist your gramdma
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Dr. Johnny Fever

08-25-2012, 06:02 PM

Uh, what? /Carl Perkins

Yeah... not really a forerunner for southern rock either. The Allman Brothers, Marshall Tucker, Elvin Bishop... even Barefoot Jerry and Charlie Daniels were really the first wave of southern rock. Then we got Skynyrd, Ozark Mountain Daredevils, .38 Special... into ZZ Top, Blackfoot, Black Oak Arkansas etc..

Not that Cash wasn't doing anything that has a common ground with southern rock but I don't think he was really a forerunner of it. He was really more country then than in his later stuff.

Ace Gunner

08-25-2012, 06:09 PM

This was the first rapper
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