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gblowfish
10-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Ten Things About Today's Game

10. This morning when I woke up, I had this weird feeling. Its the same feeling I have on mornings when I wake up and have to go to the dentist. I hate going to the dentist. You know that even if there's no bad news, you're going to get turned on your head, be uncomfortable, and wind up beat up and bloodied when they get done cleaning your teeth. After the game today, I didn't want to write anything immediately. I wanted to think about my experience today, and try to be clear headed and objective. It bothered me -a lot- that a day like today, which is one of the eight days a year I should be able to look forward to as a fun day, would feel like a going to the dentist day. And like going to the dentist, is wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it still wasn't much fun. The weather was cool and crisp, the skies were sunny, and the CP plane was buzzing over the parking lot. I snapped a picture with my cellphone. Not a very good pic, but you can see the plane hovering above the Arrowhead lot:
http://i46.tinypic.com/24wvdsk.gif

9. First let me say, the Ravens were horrible today. I would think if they play that game against 90% of the NFL, they lose. Ravens had less than 300 yards total offense. They were 3 for 11 on third down. They had two turnovers and lost time of possession by almost eight minutes. Flacco threw for zero TDs, was sacked four times and had a QB rating of 55.6. Yet, they won the game. How? They won because our offense could not convert in the red zone, period. They won because Casshole's QB rating was 38.1. Casshole averaged six yards per completion. Six yards. He had two picks. He fumbled on a first and goal on the one. Given time after time after time to grab the game by the horns and show some leadership, he failed time after time after time. He ended up doing his best Damon Huard impersonation to remove himself from the game during crunch time, and leave any potential heroics to Brady Quinn. More on that later.

8. Let's talk about offense first. It was clear that the goal today was to run the ball, and run the ball, and run the ball, so that Casshole would not be put in a situation where he would have to win the game with his arm. And KC did run the ball effectively. Charles had more than 100 yards in the first half, and finished with 140. But as the game went on, the play calling got more predictable. I haven't gone through the game series by series, but I'll bet you we ran off-tackle on first down at least 80% of the time. Here's another thing: First quarter, nine and a half minutes into the game, Charles busts a 25 yard run, his longest run of the day, gets the ball across midfield into Ravens territory in a 0-0 game. What does Daboll do? He pulls Charles out of the game. Gives the ball to Draughn three times, including on a 3rd and 8 draw that went nowhere. Drive stalls, Chefs punt. What is this deal where Daboll thinks he has to get every player in the game like its Pop Warner? I understand not overworking Charles, but feed the man the ball when he has the hot hand. We ran no screens. We ran no reverses, or slants, only one naked bootleg -which was actually a Casshole scramble on a busted pocket. Only two of our wideouts had catches today, Bowe and Baldwin, and Baldwin only got one that he had to fight over the top of a defensive back to bring down. No catches for a tight end. How can that happen in an NFL game? It seemed to me the entire offense today was geared around protecting Matt Cassel's self esteem. And that's no way to run a railroad.

7. Major props to the defense today holding Baltimore to nine points and no TDs. You can't ask for better. Baltimore was quite generous as well. I don't know how many passes they dropped for sure first downs or better, but it had to be a half dozen. Tackles were spread around, and Hali and Houston had two sacks each. Flowers had a sweet pick. Tyson Jackson continues to be a disappointment. You know who was credited for as many tackles as TJ? Matt Cassel. They both had one tackle. He is such a waste of a high first round pick, it boggles the mind. But at least he was on the field, more than we can say for Glenn Dorsey. Stanford Routt continues to draw untimely penalties, he had a bad holding call that sustained a Baltimore drive for their first field goal. Belcher is still getting beat bad on pass coverage on backs in the flat. Berry played better today, he allowed a couple catches by Baltimore's tight end, but nothing game breaking. All in all, a very good defensive effort today against a very dangerous offense. It was effort good enough to win.

6. Special teams were good today as well. Colquitt had five punts, averaged over 47 yards and pinned three inside the 20. Draughn had three good kick returns. Copper had a great day. He got a fumble strip on the opening kickoff of the second half, and made a heads up play on a punt touched by the Ravens and advanced the ball 25 yards. Succop hit on both his chances. Greenwood had a stupid penalty on a punt in fourth quarter that cost ten yards of field position at a critical point in the game. Other than that, specials did their jobs reasonably well. It was an effort good enough to win.

5. The more I watch Kung Pao Panda as a head coach, the less I think of him. Like Haley, he may be a very good coordinator who has Peter Principled out as head coach. RAC reminds me a lot of Herm on the sideline. He just kind of waddles up and down the sideline, looking at his playbook placard like a menu at Denny's. I saw him have one sideline conversation with Hali in the second half, otherwise, he doesn't do a whole lot during the course of the game. His post game news conference was disturbing too. He didn't sound like a coach that was particularly upset that his team was now 1-4 and winless at home. He shined this off almost as a "quality loss," the same way Ned Yost talks about "quality starts" when the Royals lose 5-3. The sad truth is, five weeks into the season, we have not had a lead in regulation in a single game. That's pathetic, especially for a team that was supposed to contend for an AFC West title.

4. http://i48.tinypic.com/3463lmw.jpg

I had to go back to 2007 to find this picture of Damon Huard. This was in a game vs Denver, where the Chiefs and Huard got bitch slapped around. Huard took a hit in the pocket, then took himself out of the game for the rest of the day. He had no more heart to play. That was game ten of the 2007 season. Brokie Croyle started the final six games, of which we won none. It was a 4-12 year. The next year, we went 2-14. The next year, we got Casshole/Pioli, which is where we are now three years in. I think the pressure has finally gotten to Matty. He has regressed, a lot. Here's two screen shots of the play that put him out. The first is the swing pass to Charles. He gets rid of the ball clean:
http://i49.tinypic.com/34z0ye8.gif

Then, the two rushing Ravens get to him, he ping pongs between them, but neither hit him in the head. You can see Charles has caught the ball in the lower left corner, Casshole falls on his ass:
http://i46.tinypic.com/sv6vqx.gif

Now, it was hard to tell from TV if he hit the back of his head on the turf when he went down, but for sure his ass took the majority of the fall. When he came to bench, he was holding one of his arms like he had a dislocated shoulder. But they said it was his head. He sat on the bench, just looking all glazed over like Damon Huard circa 2007:
http://i50.tinypic.com/26063oi.gif

Point of all this is, it looked to me like the guy was looking for a way out at crunch time. Maybe he did whack his head and was seeing little tweety birds. The hit didn't look that bad to me. Seriously. And when Quinn zipped a pass to Bowe to convert on third down, the CIA looking Chiefs dude whisked Cassel up off the bench and down into the tunnel. Cassel seemed to be moving OK. He never returned. So take what you will from that whole episode. I'm skeptical, leave it at that.

3. I'd also like to address the blow up that Winston had in the locker room after the game, saying that fans were "Cheering Cassel getting hurt." Well, that is about 98% bullshit. The main reason you heard a cheer after the hit was because Charles caught the swing pass, ran for sixteen yards and converted a first down. You can hear the stadium announcer call first down and the crowd cheers. Nobody even realized Cassel was down until way after the play was complete. When they did pick him up and walk him off the field, people cheered for him, as good fans will do for any injured player, home or visitor. There may have been a few nimrods who were screaming "I'm glad you're hurt" or "Stay Down, Bitch." But if so, it wasn't many. I applaud Winston wanting to have Cassel's back, but saying 70,000 people were happy he got hurt is a big fat lie. Also in the post game, Lilja was wanting to take the blame for the fumble on the one yard line. If you look at the replay, he got the ball back to Cassel, who stepped forward to sneak the ball before he had a handle on it, it squirted out of his hands and got kicked towards the goal line in the scrum. Ed Reed found the ball literally at his feet and picked it up. Botched exchange, very similar to what happened to Phyllis Rivers here two years ago. It was a turning point in the game. We lose first and goal at the one, Baltimore turns the ball around and kicks another field goal. That's a ten point swing, and ball game.

2. Many times in these ten things I've talked about the Chiefs in the 1980's under Bill Kenney. This game could have easily been 1983. Back then, the Chiefs had great defense. Guys like Art Still, Gary Green, Spani, Burruss. And the Chiefs had good special teams with Nick Lowrey. But way too often they settled for three points instead of seven on drives, because they could not succeed in the red zone. Today was deja vu all over again. The 1980's were EXACTLY like today's game. So if you're a young guy, and want to know what it was like to be a Chiefs fan 25 years ago, today was it, baby.

1. Stick a fork in it. It's sort of like last year, without the devastating injuries to our play makers. This year, it's just the Cassel Confidence Crash, the turnover machine that is the Chiefs offense, and the clueless efforts of this coaching staff to "figure it out and turn it around." A third of the season is gone. Look on the bright side; we won't have to spend any Christmas money on playoff tickets this year. And at least when you make a trip to the dentist, they give you a calendar or a toothbrush when you go home. Last home win here was against Green Bay, and that's just two months shy of being one year ago. It sure seems like an eternity. At least we'll have next week's soap opera, "Brady Quinn, Medicine QB." It'll be interesting to see what happens now.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2012, 08:47 PM
Something I noticed today that they weren't selling beer in the stands with the vendors, or at least in my section. It was odd not hearing or seeing the beer guys. Everybody was having to go to the concession stands. My conspiracy for the week - is they didn't want a drunker and madder crowd with all the shit going on with Pioli and Cassel.

DaFace
10-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Great writeup as always. I especially appreciate the bit about Winston. As someone who wasn't there, it's definitely disappointing to hear about our fans cheering for the injury. But as you said, it sure seemed like people were cheering for other reasons at the time (the 1st down and Brady putting on the helmet). Glad to know that's how it seemed to you from right behind the bench.

jd1020
10-07-2012, 08:49 PM
Cassel was diagnosed with a concussion apparently. He was clearly dazed after that hit. Good news is that his return is out of the teams hands.

Discuss Thrower
10-07-2012, 08:51 PM
Something I noticed today that they weren't selling beer in the stands with the vendors, or at least in my section. It was odd not hearing or seeing the beer guys. Everybody was having to go to the concession stands. My conspiracy for the week - is they didn't want a drunker and madder crowd with all the shit going on with Pioli and Cassel.

I felt like there weren't any vendors doing rounds, much less beer purveyors.

O.city
10-07-2012, 08:52 PM
Gonna put the tin foil hat on for a second.


Dunno if you guys remember, but it seems like a minute or two before Cassel got hurt, they showed him on the bench talking on the phone. Who was he talking to? Daboll is on the sidelines. Zorn maybe?

Any chance it was someone telling him that he's gonna have to do something to get out of this game. He can't finish it, being the sole reason for the loss. So, he goes down with a concussion, without getting hit in the head.

Bwana
10-07-2012, 08:53 PM
Great read as always George.

Coogs
10-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Don't spend all that Christmas money just yet. Cowher thinks we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. :)

Bwana
10-07-2012, 08:58 PM
Don't spend all that Christmas money just yet. Cowher thinks we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. :)

Sure but evidently Bill already spent all his Christmas money on crack rocks and Old Crow.

O.city
10-07-2012, 08:58 PM
By the way, I don't appreciate the dentist talk.

mcaj22
10-07-2012, 09:01 PM
Gonna put the tin foil hat on for a second.


Dunno if you guys remember, but it seems like a minute or two before Cassel got hurt, they showed him on the bench talking on the phone. Who was he talking to? Daboll is on the sidelines. Zorn maybe?

Any chance it was someone telling him that he's gonna have to do something to get out of this game. He can't finish it, being the sole reason for the loss. So, he goes down with a concussion, without getting hit in the head.

he was talking to our real head coach, Scott Pioli.

I am convinced that Pioli has way more control than just GM. And he's actually a coach upstairs and makes all the calls. If he wants something he calls down. And everyone is his puppet

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:01 PM
I mean, i know that sounds stupid but with this FO, is it actually possible he was told to go down with an injury?

mcaj22
10-07-2012, 09:05 PM
I'd also like to point out a more depressing tidbit in the OP

we are technically in YEAR 4. You mentioned "The next year, we got Casshole/Pioli, which is where we are now three years in" We are actually 4 years in with Casshole/Pioli...

09 draft- The Tyson Jackson debacle... did Todd Haley truly want this guy or was this the early workings of our true coach behind the curtain... Pioli? Year 1 ladies and gets

10 draft - Midgets and trading up for a brokedick TE instead of taking Jimmy Graham. Or drafting any talent really. Year 2.

11 draft - Hey I think we got a good player out of this that fell to our laps in the 3rd. Thats kind of neat. Year 3

12 draft - Another D-lineman. Joy. Oh and more o-lineman, dont take a flyer in the 3rd round on a QB or anything, that would be to risky coach Pioli. Year 4 aka present season.

ClevelandBronco
10-07-2012, 09:05 PM
I mean, i know that sounds stupid but with this FO, is it actually possible he was told to go down with an injury?

No.

Bwana
10-07-2012, 09:06 PM
I mean, i know that sounds stupid but with this FO, is it actually possible he was told to go down with an injury?

Who knows, I wouldn't be all that surprised.

Psyko Tek
10-07-2012, 09:07 PM
as always fun read
but cassel will be back next week

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:07 PM
"Matt, I know you've had a rough game, not your fault kid. I don't want you to have to go thru this, just take a fall and we can get you outta here"

jjjayb
10-07-2012, 09:08 PM
Watching it on T.V. you could definitely see he was out. His eyes were half rolled back in his head when he started to get up.

tredadda
10-07-2012, 09:08 PM
Point #3 is significant since it is believed by many that the fans were cheering Cassel's injury. It is good to see someone who was at the game refute this assertion.

GloryDayz
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
Thanks George, well said...

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
I agree mcaj.


Even the picks that I think could/would be good players have to have a decent qb to get them the ball.

Guys like Baldwin, Moeaki, Dexter etc have some talent, but whats the point of having guys like that when you are gonna throw it 4 times per game?

Deberg_1990
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
If I didn't know any better, i can also envision Winston's rant as being some sort of "secrect Mouthpiece" for Pioli.

Psyko Tek
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
Gonna put the tin foil hat on for a second.


Dunno if you guys remember, but it seems like a minute or two before Cassel got hurt, they showed him on the bench talking on the phone. Who was he talking to? Daboll is on the sidelines. Zorn maybe?

Any chance it was someone telling him that he's gonna have to do something to get out of this game. He can't finish it, being the sole reason for the loss. So, he goes down with a concussion, without getting hit in the head.

I fucking wish that were so
it would mean somebody in the front office cares

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2012, 09:10 PM
10 draft - Midgets and trading up for a brokedick TE instead of taking Jimmy Graham. Or drafting any talent really. Year 2.


Eric Berry is a fucking talent. But the rest you can contiune with your rant.

Brock
10-07-2012, 09:10 PM
The main reason you heard a cheer after the hit was because Charles caught the swing pass, ran for sixteen yards and converted a first down. You can hear the stadium announcer call first down and the crowd cheers. Nobody even realized Cassel was down until way after the play was complete. When the did pick him up and walk him off the field, people cheered for him, as good fans will do for any injured player, home or visitor. There may have been a few nimrods who were screaming "I'm glad you're hurt" or "Stay Down, Bitch." But if so, it wasn't many. I applaud Winston wanting to have Cassel's back, but saying 70,000 people were happy he got hurt is a big fat lie.

So now that this is settled, can we stop white-knighting these clowns?

qabbaan
10-07-2012, 09:11 PM
By the way, I don't appreciate the dentist talk.

Me either.

You anti-dentite bastard.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2012, 09:12 PM
Point #3 is significant since it is believed by many that the fans were cheering Cassel's injury. It is good to see someone who was at the game refute this assertion.

It was combination of 3 things. Charles play, Cassel hurt, and Quinn coming in. Divide the 65000 into 3 groups and thats what the cheering was for during that time.

Hoover
10-07-2012, 09:12 PM
Good write up.

Whether you like what Winston said or not, he's become the vocal leader of the Oline. That's a very good thing. We need more vocal leaders on this team. His job is to protect the QB, so I actually like what Winston is doing.

Romeo effin sucks ass. We can't fire him mid-season because we would be out a HC, DC, and what, our first year OC would be elevated? I don't think so.

I hope they give Brady Quinn a chance to play. It's the only thing that could make Chiefs games somewhat enjoyable.

Bob Dole
10-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Something I noticed today that they weren't selling beer in the stands with the vendors, or at least in my section. It was odd not hearing or seeing the beer guys.

They are trying to Casselproof the Arrowhead experience.

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Quinn has a strong arm and has pretty good mechanics.


Hell, at this point, if he's half way accurate it will be such a breath of fresh air.

Buehler445
10-07-2012, 09:14 PM
Great writeup as always. I especially appreciate the bit about Winston. As someone who wasn't there, it's definitely disappointing to hear about our fans cheering for the injury. But as you said, it sure seemed like people were cheering for other reasons at the time (the 1st down and Brady putting on the helmet). Glad to know that's how it seemed to you from right behind the bench.

This. It is not cool to cheer injury and I'm really glad the Chiefs fans did not.

Good writeup George. Normally after a loss, this is all I read, but This place isn't even freaking out. This place has accepted the ball of shit that this franchise is. It is truly amazing.

Discuss Thrower
10-07-2012, 09:14 PM
A good read as always George, but it seemed pretty clear to me an audible amount of fans cheered after the first down call once it was evident Cassel was down.

Stanzi was looking towards the stands and shouting "Bullshit" once the training staff was out, Discuss Dad started berating him for this fact thinking stanzi was pissed we were calling for Quinn minutes earlier.

Yes, Winston exaggerated the 70k comment but there were people cheering once they realized Cassel was down.

Boon
10-07-2012, 09:15 PM
Good read as always.
We deserve better!

mcaj22
10-07-2012, 09:16 PM
I agree mcaj.


Even the picks that I think could/would be good players have to have a decent qb to get them the ball.

Guys like Baldwin, Moeaki, Dexter etc have some talent, but whats the point of having guys like that when you are gonna throw it 4 times per game?

thats the point. they are wasting on those picks you might as well just draft LBers, CBs, Safeties, and fast players for special teams that arent dependent on the QB.

picking HBs, gadget players, WRs and TEs that need a ****ing Aaron Rodgers to look good makes no sense for this team. Signing guys like Peyton Hillis, Kevin Boss and Steve Breaston are literally useless.

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:17 PM
How bad is it that I am excited to watch Brady Quinn play QB next week?

Brock
10-07-2012, 09:18 PM
A good read as always George, but it seemed pretty clear to me an audible amount of fans cheered after the first down call once it was evident Cassel was down.

Stanzi was looking towards the stands and shouting "Bullshit" once the training staff was out, Discuss Dad started berating him for this fact thinking stanzi was pissed we were calling for Quinn minutes earlier.

Yes, Winston exaggerated the 70k comment but there were people cheering once they realized Cassel was down.

Fuck Stanzi too.

Hammock Parties
10-07-2012, 09:27 PM
Pretty tired of reading these negative reviews.

George needs something positive to write about.

I don't remember when that was.

Hammock Parties
10-07-2012, 09:28 PM
How bad is it that I am excited to watch Brady Quinn play QB next week?

I'm excited to see a brand new variety of suck.

He is not a good QB and Fuhrer Pioli's trigger finger will slowly tighten.

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:29 PM
Quinn is a better QB than Cassel. It's really not close.


He never had much to throw to anywhere, so we will see how he does with the skill guys and running game we have.

gblowfish
10-07-2012, 09:32 PM
Pretty tired of reading these negative reviews.

George needs something positive to write about.

I don't remember when that was.

I'm getting pretty tired of writing them. :banghead:

tredadda
10-07-2012, 09:34 PM
Quinn is a better QB than Cassel. It's really not close.


He never had much to throw to anywhere, so we will see how he does with the skill guys and running game we have.

Ummmmmmm no.

TEX
10-07-2012, 09:39 PM
FIRE PIOLI.

Hammock Parties
10-07-2012, 09:43 PM
Quinn is a better QB than Cassel. It's really not close.


Evidence for this?

None.

Easy 6
10-07-2012, 09:43 PM
"That no way to run a railroad" - Indeed.

Stop trying to blame the fans, media, its never going to stick.

O.city
10-07-2012, 09:44 PM
The fact that he threw two passes that were in front of a wr, and the wr didn't die is evidence enough for me.



Plus he played QB in college I guess.

ThaVirus
10-07-2012, 09:49 PM
Pretty tired of reading these negative reviews.

George needs something positive to write about.

I don't remember when that was.

You're tired of the negativity?

This is YOUR baby.

You created this monster!

Chief_in_Commander
10-07-2012, 09:51 PM
Great read as usual. I am so glad you brought up that situation about them cheering Cassel's injury. A buddy of mine has season tix and we talk after every home game about the crowd/game whatever. He said the EXACT same thing you did, nobody cheered him being hurt. It was a first down play, then everyone saw Cassel was hurt and cheered him when he walked off the field. Winston is just being a troll or something because he is completely wrong about that whole situation.

FAX
10-07-2012, 09:51 PM
Choo, Choo!!!

The Chiefs train keeps a'rollin'
A'rollin' down them tracks
Cassel broke his colon
When the Ravens got some sacks

FAX

FAX
10-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Great read as usual. I am so glad you brought up that situation about them cheering Cassel's injury. A buddy of mine has season tix and we talk after every home game about the crowd/game whatever. He said the EXACT same thing you did, nobody cheered him being hurt. It was a first down play, then everyone saw Cassel was hurt and cheered him when he walked off the field. Winston is just being a troll or something because he is completely wrong about that whole situation.

Yeah, well the media (local and national) is telling the story differently.

They're making Chiefs fans out to be some kind of classless mob.

And nobody calls us a classless mob except for us.

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-07-2012, 10:03 PM
I've been hearing mixed stories. It probably depends on the section you were in, as the negative stories I've heard were qualified with the comment that this wasn't just booing or cheering. This was clearly a bunch of boneheads.

But c'mon, the ridiculousness that this doesn't happen anywhere else.

Otter
10-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Nice write up gblowfish and as frustrated as we all are please keep em' coming.

cabletech94
10-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Yeah, well the media (local and national) is telling the story differently.

They're making Chiefs fans out to be some kind of classless mob.

And nobody calls us a classless mob except for us.

FAX

preach on brother beavis!!!!!

:thumb:

tredadda
10-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Yeah, well the media (local and national) is telling the story differently.

They're making Chiefs fans out to be some kind of classless mob.

And nobody calls us a classless mob except for us.

FAX

Now Dilfer is chiming in and the way he made it sound, the fans have no right to do what they did, at least that is how I heard it.

keg in kc
10-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Speaking of the defense, it looks like Poe's making some strides. Even got some pressure on Flacco in the end zone late in the game.

Otter
10-07-2012, 10:15 PM
If I were Matt, I'd just say '**** it' and go get a margarita somewhere warm and sunny. We want it. He wants it.

Just go.

Take the money and run.

KChiefer
10-07-2012, 10:16 PM
Now Dilfer is chiming in and the way he made it sound, the fans have no right to do what they did, at least that is how I heard it.

Caught it also. He said that what the fans did was appalling and that players don't care what fans think. If players don't care then what is Winston bitching about.?.? Let them boo and jeer.

Still waiting on someone, anyone in the msm to suggest that the cheering was mainly about Cassel being removed than him being hurt.

aturnis
10-07-2012, 10:24 PM
Something I noticed today that they weren't selling beer in the stands with the vendors, or at least in my section. It was odd not hearing or seeing the beer guys. Everybody was having to go to the concession stands. My conspiracy for the week - is they didn't want a drunker and madder crowd with all the shit going on with Pioli and Cassel.

Last week was hilarious. One of the beer vendors said, "beer, get your beer here, the more you drink, the better they look!". Cracked my shit up...

Papi
10-07-2012, 10:25 PM
Cassel was diagnosed with a concussion apparently. He was clearly dazed after that hit. Good news is that his return is out of the teams hands.

Yeah he definitely looked punch drunk while he was down. I don't think he would ever come out given the choice. Great character, no skill.

FAX
10-07-2012, 10:44 PM
I don't know how you could tell that Cassel looked "dazed".

And, I'm not joking. He looks "dazed" most of the time. Seriously.

FAX

Smed1065
10-07-2012, 10:47 PM
I mean, i know that sounds stupid but with this FO, is it actually possible he was told to go down with an injury?

Or be cut. :shrug:

splatbass
10-07-2012, 11:26 PM
I mean, i know that sounds stupid but with this FO, is it actually possible he was told to go down with an injury?

If Pioli wanted him out all he had to do was tell Crennel to take him out of the game. There is no reason for an elaborate ruse.

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10-08-2012, 12:05 AM
From the Associated Press article:

''I knew I hit him hard, but I didn't think it was hard enough to take him out. I thought I hit him right in the ribs,'' Ngata said. ''Hopefully, he bounces back and gets better.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chiefs-unhappy-over-fans-cheering-221713743--nfl.html

Ultra Peanut
10-08-2012, 12:30 AM
Yeah, well the media (local and national) is telling the story differently.

They're making Chiefs fans out to be some kind of classless mob.

And nobody calls us a classless mob except for us.

FAX
Also deranged. Don't forget 'deranged.'

Speaking of the defense, it looks like Poe's making some strides. Even got some pressure on Flacco in the end zone late in the game.
OMG Isawthatitmademesohappy =] =]

JCharles1981
10-08-2012, 03:04 AM
Here is today's game in a nutshell:

1. The offenses on both teams sucked.
2. The Chiefs turned the ball over 5 times, in Ravens territory.
3. Jamaal Charles rushed for up to 150 yards, but with no TD's.
4. Bowe's TD was called back because McCluster was whistled for holding.
5. Fans cheered when Cassell got hurt and apparently had Chiefs players torn on the supposed real reason they cheered.

htismaqe
10-08-2012, 06:06 AM
I don't know how you could tell that Cassel looked "dazed".

And, I'm not joking. He looks "dazed" most of the time. Seriously.

FAX

No, he was cross-eyed. He didn't look dazed, he looked concussed.

And for everybody suggesting that he wasn't hit hard enough, it's pretty obvious his head snapped back and hit the ground.

He's legitimately hurt. And it's a shame.

Because now they have an excuse to bring him back. AGAIN.

scho63
10-08-2012, 06:19 AM
Ten Things About Today's Game

10. This morning when I woke up, I had this weird feeling. Its the same feeling I have on mornings when I wake up and have to go to the dentist.
It's a real damn shame that going to Chiefs game should feel this way-same way I feel when I play golf with certain guys in my large group who do nothing but piss and moan about everything. It ruins my day off after a long hard week of work when all I want to do is relax and have fun.


9. First let me say, the Ravens were horrible today.
They sure were with so many dropped passes but I also have to give some props to our D who hung in despite the awful job of our offense and Mr Cassel.

8. Let's talk about offense first.
To me they look sloppy and disinterested because every drive ends the same way, in total failure! To be the only team in the NFL with 20 or so games in a row without a TD on the opening drive is a complete farce!

7. Major props to the defense today holding Baltimore to nine points and no TDs.
Justin Houston was a great pick and looks like he will be something special. Berry still looks like he has lost a step from his injury but overall our D came to play at a real high level. I saw Poe push back two lineman several times and tie them up.

6. Special teams were good today as well.
We have improved a lot since the first two games and that's a good thing for once.


5. The more I watch Kung Pao Panda as a head coach, the less I think of him.
The punt from BALTIMORE's 40 yd line with 12 seconds left in the half may be one of the worst coaches moves I've ever seen and they are still so slow at getting plays in. Time management also sucks

4. I think the pressure has finally gotten to Matty. He has regressed, a lot.
You would think it was impossible for him to get worse but he has. Everyone sees it but the Chiefs organization.

3. I'd also like to address the blow up that Winston had in the locker room after the game, saying that fans were "Cheering Cassel getting hurt." Well, that is about 98% bullshit.
The fact that Winston is so quick to think that the entire stadium was cherring Matt's injury shows you how sensitive everyone is with Cassel and the entire team knows we all think he sucks! I knew it was overblown bullshit from a frustrated lineman who should be APOLOGIZING TO US for the teams shitty play!

2. Many times in these ten things I've talked about the Chiefs in the 1980's under Bill Kenney. This game could have easily been 1983. So if you're a young guy, and want to know what it was like to be a Chiefs fan 25 years ago, today was it, baby.
I remember those games well and it was a painful time as a young Chiefs fan. All my friends liked the Cowboys and all they did were win, win, and win including playoffs and Superbowls.


1. Stick a fork in it. Look on the bright side; we won't have to spend any Christmas money on playoff tickets this year.
It's a terrible shame with all the talent on this team that Matt Cassel and some bad coaching has destroyed this season already. I think this will be a 4-12 or 5-11 year at best and that is a God damn shameful disgrace!!!



As always George, a great, thoughtful, and thorough review!!!

:thumb:

Bob Dole
10-08-2012, 07:32 AM
Evidence for this?

None.

3 for 3 and no receiver injuries is a good start

alpha_omega
10-08-2012, 08:07 AM
As always...thanks George. In recent weeks, i look forward to your "10 things" more than i do the actual game itself.

And...i have a dentist appointment today. Damn.

bevischief
10-08-2012, 08:38 AM
Last week was hilarious. One of the beer vendors said, "beer, get your beer here, the more you drink, the better they look!". Cracked my shit up...

I have tried that at home it hasn't worked yet. Just makes me madder at the clowns running this train wreck.

Rasputin
10-08-2012, 08:47 AM
Typical Chiefs play from our opponets 30yard line 3rd and 15, draw play. It's predictable from my lazy chair. Shows no confidence in the QB what so ever. I'm tired of our fan base being treated like and idiots insulting our intelligence. We all see what the problem is and that is Cassell yet our GM wants to out smart 80,000+ fans and keep that assell in there.

boogblaster
10-08-2012, 08:55 AM
bout all one can say ... its a process ....

wilas101
10-08-2012, 09:00 AM
I was in section 110 and there were vendors up and down the aisle all day. beer guys, cotton candy guy, 5 dollar hot chocolate guy, 10 dollar hot chocolate guy.

I never did figure out if 10 dollar hot chocolate guy had some schnapps or something in his or if he was just taking advantage of the people sitting in the shady areas.

MahiMike
10-08-2012, 09:33 AM
Teams faking injuries to bench their starting QB is nothing new. It happens several times a year actually. This is the most politically-correct way to bench a QB now.

Lzen
10-08-2012, 09:35 AM
I'd also like to point out a more depressing tidbit in the OP

we are technically in YEAR 4. You mentioned "The next year, we got Casshole/Pioli, which is where we are now three years in" We are actually 4 years in with Casshole/Pioli...

09 draft- The Tyson Jackson debacle... did Todd Haley truly want this guy or was this the early workings of our true coach behind the curtain... Pioli? Year 1 ladies and gets

10 draft - Midgets and trading up for a brokedick TE instead of taking Jimmy Graham. Or drafting any talent really. Year 2.

11 draft - Hey I think we got a good player out of this that fell to our laps in the 3rd. Thats kind of neat. Year 3

12 draft - Another D-lineman. Joy. Oh and more o-lineman, dont take a flyer in the 3rd round on a QB or anything, that would be to risky coach Pioli. Year 4 aka present season.

This is stupid. I'm no big fan of Pioli, for sure. But if you're going to point out his mistakes then you must point out his successes. Houston is not a fell into our laps pick. You have to give credit for us taking the chance when nobody else in the league was willing to do that. Also, I think Arenas is a solid nickel. Add in Powe in the 7th rd and Kendrick Lewis in the 6th. Not every pick in our drafts have been bad. At least give credit where credit is due.

Lzen
10-08-2012, 09:38 AM
I agree mcaj.


Even the picks that I think could/would be good players have to have a decent qb to get them the ball.

Guys like Baldwin, Moeaki, Dexter etc have some talent, but whats the point of having guys like that when you are gonna throw it 4 times per game?

See that's just it. I think a lot of our offensive picks are better than they have shown. They just need a good QB to get them the ball. Blast Pioli all you want for sticking with Cassel. He definitely deserves it for that. And blast him for not wanting to draft a QB in the first couple rounds in the draft. I agree that he should be ripped for that. But not all of his picks have been bad.

htismaqe
10-08-2012, 09:43 AM
See that's just it. I think a lot of our offensive picks are better than they have shown. They just need a good QB to get them the ball. Blast Pioli all you want for sticking with Cassel. He definitely deserves it for that. And blast him for not wanting to draft a QB in the first couple rounds in the draft. I agree that he should be ripped for that. But not all of his picks have been bad.

Why did they take Baldwin?

There's no chance for a WR to impact the game when you only throw the ball 5 times a half.

Lzen
10-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Why did they take Baldwin?

There's no chance for a WR to impact the game when you only throw the ball 5 times a half.

Heh, good question. I'm gonna assume that they really thought Cassel was going to get better, not worse. You know? He went to the Pro Bowl and all. :doh!:

Chiefnj2
10-08-2012, 09:50 AM
See that's just it. I think a lot of our offensive picks are better than they have shown. They just need a good QB to get them the ball. Blast Pioli all you want for sticking with Cassel. He definitely deserves it for that. And blast him for not wanting to draft a QB in the first couple rounds in the draft. I agree that he should be ripped for that. But not all of his picks have been bad.

End of the day in year 4 KC is sitting at 1-4, 2nd HC, 5th OC, 2nd DC and the best players are still Herm left overs. That's a big fail any way you cut it.

Lzen
10-08-2012, 09:55 AM
End of the day in year 4 KC is sitting at 1-4, 2nd HC, 5th OC, 2nd DC and the best players are still Herm left overs. That's a big fail any way you cut it.

I don't argue that we need to get rid of Pioli. But my reasons are a bit different. Mainly, I think our QB is a cancer on the rest of the team. A good QB can make a huge difference in the way the team plays.

I also wasn't real excited about making Crennel our HC after last season. But hey, he did do a decent job as interim coach. So, I was just going to support him and see what happens. It is looking like the Peter Principal, for sure.

In the end, Pioli's major failures have been not getting quality depth in the secondary and QB positions and, of course, sticking with a crappy starting QB. That and always going back to his New England friends (Crennel) instead of trying something new. That being said, he did try something new with Haley. IMO, Haley was screwed over when he wanted to get rid of Cassel.

htismaqe
10-08-2012, 09:56 AM
End of the day in year 4 KC is sitting at 1-4, 2nd HC, 5th OC, 2nd DC and the best players are still Herm left overs. That's a big fail any way you cut it.

Big fail is an understatement considering the reputation of the GM coming in...

Chiefnj2
10-08-2012, 10:03 AM
There really isn't anything about this team that I like right now. Romeo's approach to the game makes Herm look like a riverboat gambler. Romeo honestly seems happy to lose close games. Down 20 points in the 4th quarter, lets punt from the oppositions territory.

I haven't determined if Daboll is just following Romeo's lead or if he is just as gutless and clueless.

mcaj22
10-08-2012, 10:05 AM
This is stupid. I'm no big fan of Pioli, for sure. But if you're going to point out his mistakes then you must point out his successes. Houston is not a fell into our laps pick. You have to give credit for us taking the chance when nobody else in the league was willing to do that. Also, I think Arenas is a solid nickel. Add in Powe in the 7th rd and Kendrick Lewis in the 6th. Not every pick in our drafts have been bad. At least give credit where credit is due.

except that Arenas is not a solid nickel. and you dont use 2nd round picks on ****ing nickel CBs/slow return guys.

There is no credit to be given there.

And Kendrick Lewis hasnt even played a down this season yet. Lots of help he is. Oh we can just wait til next year when he is healthy maybe we will have a good season then.

I am not a glass half full guy. I don't like WAITING for guys to develop or perform. There is good talent in their prime right now on this team in DJ, Flowers, Hali, etc and you are just going to give Pioli credit for getting a bunch of developmental players that maybe good seasons from now. That does not help this team today in the present day, at all. Four seasons of that.

And Pioli's failures are lot more frequent that his minimal successes.

Jake O Connell
Alex Magee
Donald Washington
Colin Brown
Queintin Lawrence
Jarvis Williams
Cameron Sheffield
Gabe Miller
Shane Bannon

the list goes on and on.

So he hit on Justin Houston and Eric Berry. And then no other play maker after that. Just a bunch of role players.

I am really excited he went out and brought in FA talent over the years like Mike Brown, Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Steve Breaston, Peyton Hillis, Kevin Boss, etc. I mean those FA trash heap over the last 4 years really put this team over the hump didnt it.

Don't spend money to keep homegrown Chiefs talent in house but will bring in any cheap average veteran to just be a guy. The Scott Pioli Way

Buehler445
10-08-2012, 10:08 AM
except that Arenas is not a solid nickel. and you dont use 2nd round picks on ****ing nickel CBs/slow return guys.

There is no credit to be given there.

And Kendrick Lewis hasnt even played a down this season yet. Lots of help he is. Oh we can just wait til next year when he is healthy maybe we will have a good season then.

I am not a glass half full guy. I don't like WAITING for guys to develop or perform. There is good talent in their prime right now on this team in DJ, Flowers, Hali, etc and you are just going to give Pioli credit for getting a bunch of developmental players that maybe good seasons from now. That does not help this team today in the present day, at all. Four seasons of that.

And Pioli's failures are lot more frequent that his minimal successes.

Jake O Connell
Alex Magee
Donald Washington
Colin Brown
Queintin Lawrence
Jarvis Williams
Cameron Sheffield
Gabe Miller
Shane Bannon

the list goes on and on.

So he hit on Justin Houston and Eric Berry. And then no other play maker after that. Just a bunch of role players.

I am really excited he went out and brought in FA talent over the years like Mike Brown, Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Steve Breaston, Peyton Hillis, Kevin Boss, etc. I mean those FA trash heap over the last 4 years really put this team over the hump didnt it.

Don't spend money to keep homegrown Chiefs talent in house but will bring in any cheap average veteran to just be a guy. The Scott Pioli Way

You forgot that Tackle that played at MU. Colin Brown maybe? Didn't even make it through camp. Wasted pick to the nth degree.

mcaj22
10-08-2012, 10:13 AM
clay has the Pioli fail doc in his sig, so just read that

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQtFpV6F1CiSloh_01lwwDT-8uZvQy9VyvIaW70EkLc/edit?pli=1


you can get way more in depth on how bad Pioli has been at drafting versus the few bright spots hes had, but I mean why waste anymore time on it. Pioli sucks, he was brought in to be this genius upgrade over Carl and you can make a solid argument that in 4 years he is worse for this franchise than Carl's 20 years.

Chiefnj2
10-08-2012, 10:19 AM
A portion of the fanbase demonstrates some questionable judgment for 30 seconds.

Compared to a team that has demonstrated questionable judgment for 19 years.

Damn those fans and their impatience!

mcaj22
10-08-2012, 10:22 AM
Carl had winning seasons, made big trades, drafted play makers, even with settling for veteran QBs.

Pioli has shown NONE of that. He will only settle for his buddies back up QBs. If you think Pioli is drafting Geno Smith you better wake up. Because when draft day comes you will be very, very, very disappointed, The Patriots Way.

splatbass
10-08-2012, 06:27 PM
Teams faking injuries to bench their starting QB is nothing new. It happens several times a year actually. This is the most politically-correct way to bench a QB now.

Can you prove this?

chiefs1okie
10-09-2012, 08:01 AM
A portion of the fanbase demonstrates some questionable judgment for 30 seconds.

Compared to a team that has demonstrated questionable judgment for 19 years.

Damn those fans and their impatience!

:bravo: