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Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:04 AM

They read some book in Lit class that included spousal abuse and then a woman looking for a new love. Monday she needs a cd with a song about both that apply to the book.

Today she had a band competition 100 miles away that kept her busy, tomorrow she has musical practice for 6 hours followed by the end of year pom banquet... so basically she has no time. Naturally she's asking me for help and to burn a couple cd's for her tomorrow. Here's what I've suggested...

Spousal abuse songs
Nickleback- Never Again (too mean)
Martina McBride- Independence Day (more about child abuse)

Woman looking for a new love
Sara Evans- No Place That Far (Doesn't fit according to her)

So my job is to find songs to fit her assignment and burn cd's tomorrow (today). I'm likely going to miss most football due to this unless I get some input. Give me what you got.

Serious suggestions are really appreciated.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:06 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:08 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:08 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:12 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:13 AM

I figured this might be a useless venture. I tried.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:17 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:21 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:23 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:25 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:29 AM

10-28-2012, 01:30 AM

Good Bye Earl too mean for the abuse song?

Dallas Chief

10-28-2012, 01:32 AM

Wait... aren't you a DJ? Wtf?

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:32 AM

Good Bye Earl too mean for the abuse song?

She'll hate it simply because it's horrible. She has taste. Thank you though. I thought of it and didn't suggest it simply because it's so bad.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:34 AM

Wait... aren't you a DJ? Wtf?

I posted the songs I thought were best to fit her criteria. I suggested others but they don't fit. I can't always think of everything off the top of my head that might work. Hence recruiting help.

dmahurin

10-28-2012, 01:35 AM

http://mobile.avclub.com/articles/the-hits-keep-coming-30-songs-inspired-by-domestic,57741/?mobile=true 30 songs about spousal abuse.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:37 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:38 AM

http://mobile.avclub.com/articles/the-hits-keep-coming-30-songs-inspired-by-domestic,57741/?mobile=true 30 songs about spousal abuse.

Same page I looked up first thing. I thank you though. This assingment isn't as easy as it seems.

She's leaning toward "Man Down" by Rhianna for her abuse song.

dmahurin

10-28-2012, 01:45 AM

stevenidol

10-28-2012, 01:46 AM

Be like my dad used to do and say "Do your own fucking homework!" and then go back to watching Cheers.

10-28-2012, 01:49 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:49 AM

Saccopoo

10-28-2012, 01:49 AM

Okay...do you want a genre or just a theme?

Here's a punk theme...

Violent Femmes: Add It Up
Dead Kennedys: Too Drunk Too Fuck
Black Flag: Bastard In Love
Sex Pistols: Submission
Les Sexareenos: Sorry
Green Day: She (Best One, IMO)
The Buzzcocks: Ever Fallen In Love
Husker Du: Never Talking To You Again
Stiff Little Fingers: Just Fade Away
Patti Smith: Redondo Beach

EPodolak

10-28-2012, 01:50 AM

Sorry, I can't help either. But it did prompt "Delia's Gone" by the great John Cash to start playing in my head.

Thanks.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:51 AM

Be like my dad used to do and say "Do your own ****ing homework!" and then go back to watching Cheers.

If she was just slacking and not wanting to do it I would. You don't need me to list everything she's involved in. Still carrys a 4.0. Classic over achiever.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:52 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 01:53 AM

Okay...do you want a genre or just a theme?

Here's a punk theme...

Violent Femmes: Add It Up
Dead Kennedys: Too Drunk Too ****
Black Flag: Bastard In Love
Sex Pistols: Submission
Les Sexareenos: Sorry
Green Day: She (Best One, IMO)
The Buzzcocks: Ever Fallen In Love
Husker Du: Never Talking To You Again
Stiff Little Fingers: Just Fade Away
Patti Smith: Redondo Beach

Genre doesn't matter. A couple of those might work. Thank you.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 01:56 AM

dmahurin

10-28-2012, 02:01 AM

And in the pawn mower mold:
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Slut, you think I won't choke no whore till her vocal chords don't work in her throat no more? Bitch I ain't gon' shoot you, I'ma pull you to this bullet and put it through you.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:02 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 02:03 AM

That could work. Thanks.

I thought it was interesting too..Never heard it b4

Rain Man

10-28-2012, 02:04 AM

Luka by Suzanne Vega is the quintessential domestic abuse song, though I'm not sure if it's about women or children.

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Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:04 AM

I thought it was interesting too..Never heard it b4

I know it but would have never thought of it. That's why I posted this thread. Kiddo likes old music and may like that one.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:06 AM

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 02:06 AM

I know it but would have never thought of it. That's why I posted this thread. Kiddo likes old music and may like that one.

I hate nickleback but there is that nickle back song also

10-28-2012, 02:07 AM

This is a tough one, I'm guilty of listening to a lot of music simply for the music. Meaning is mostly secondary.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 02:07 AM

Rain Man

10-28-2012, 02:08 AM

Wait! Wait! I've got the perfect song!

"Somewhere That's Green", sung by Ellen Green in the movie "Little Shop of Horrors". It's got both themes where her boyfriend is beating her up ("I'm dating a semi-sadist, so I've got a black eye, and my arm's in a cast") and she's wishing she could go live with her true love Seymour "in a tract house that we share, somewhere that's green".

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Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:09 AM

I hate nickleback but there is that nickle back song also

"Never Again" was the first song I suggested. She likes it but thinks her teacher may think it's too rough.

This assignment seems easy until you get deeper into it.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 02:10 AM

"Never Again" was the first song I suggested. She likes it but thinks her teacher may think it's too rough.

This assignment seems easy until you get deeper into it.

Ahh..Guess I shouldve read thre OP

LOL

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:11 AM

This is a tough one, I'm guilty of listening to a lot of music simply for the music. Meaning is mostly secondary.

Nothing wrong with that. Music is meant to make you feel. For some that's a sound. For others lyrics are more important.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:12 AM

Ahh..Guess I shouldve read thre OP

LOL

Personally I think it would be a great song for impact. But she knows the assingment better than me.

Ming the Merciless

10-28-2012, 02:13 AM

Saccopoo

10-28-2012, 02:18 AM

I think i have the winner

No you don't.:

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Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:19 AM

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:20 AM

No you don't.:

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Not in a million years. Ray has taste.

Rain Man

10-28-2012, 02:20 AM

Oh, here's a good one, and I really like this song. "LA County" by Lyle Lovett.

I think it works, though it's got a twist at the end. If you've never heard this song, it's worth a listen.

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Rain Man

10-28-2012, 02:21 AM

That will be on my suggestion list. Thanks.

What about Somewhere That's Green that I posted earlier? It's a perfect fit.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:23 AM

Ghost of Maslowski

10-28-2012, 02:25 AM

has "Estranged" by Guns n Roses been suggested yet? it's not easy to find a better song about spousal abuse than that one, jmho of course.

Saccopoo

10-28-2012, 02:26 AM

Not in a million years. Ray has taste.

Too bad.

Dixie Chicks are pretty good.

Though, at this point, I'm assuming you're a two time voter for Bush Jr.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:31 AM

Too bad.

Dixie Chicks are pretty good.

Though, at this point, I'm assuming you're a two time voter for Bush Jr.

Chixie Dicks wrote a few good songs but were mostly terrible imo. Natalies voice overshadowed most anything decent they ever did. Truly horrible lead singer.

I've voted republican once in my life, for a state senate seat.

Dr. Johnny Fever

10-28-2012, 02:34 AM

What about Somewhere That's Green that I posted earlier? It's a perfect fit.

Not really.

KChiefer

10-28-2012, 03:16 AM

There's a woman here in town that spent years in an abusive marriage. The story told to me was that the guy wouldn't even let her sing publicly though she has a great voice. She eventually broken free, and some musicians in town formed a band around her, Dottie & the Rail. I think she has met a good man since, but also she was reunited with her love of preforming. http://www.myspace.com/dottietherail

they did covers of classic country. They don't play anymore that I know which is a shame, because they were a nice, feelgood set compared to all the indie/emo/metal bands that play in town.

jspchief

10-28-2012, 03:17 AM

Thunder Rolls. Garth

bevischief

10-28-2012, 03:36 AM

"Halestorm I miss the Misery" this POC I can't link anything.

AustinChief

10-28-2012, 03:41 AM

How about a classic and controversial one for it's time...

He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)

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KChiefer

10-28-2012, 03:53 AM

AustinChief

10-28-2012, 03:53 AM

Or there is the Cyndi Lauper song Broken Glass

Lyrics fit , not a fan of the music though

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AustinChief

10-28-2012, 04:17 AM

ok, now I'll tap into my inner FABULOUS and suggest..

Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive
Ace of Base - I Saw the Sign

And now back to better songs and my TOP domestic abuse song sung by a female ...

Voices Carry by Til Tuesday, featuring the amazing Aimee Mann
(although I am pretty sure it was not originally meant to be about abuse in it's original version)

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KChiefer

10-28-2012, 04:47 AM

Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive
Ace of Base - I Saw the Sign

Saw those and suggested I Will Survive also. The prob I see is they're songs not about the abuse or finding new love, but the joy/freedom/empowerment they feel, which I think is a more important feeling and common theme than actually finding that next love. Rilo Kiley - Silver Lining is another good song that fits that theme.

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There's gotta be a better fit, but Death Cab For Cutie - You're Heart Is An Empty Room is about the feeling of being single, feeling alone, but knowing it's better than being where you were. Written by a man though.

"Out on the street
Are so many possibilities
To not be alone
...
The flames and smoke climbed out of every window
And disappeared with everything that you held dear
And you shed not a single tear for the things that you didn't need
'Cause you knew you were finally free"

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AustinChief

10-28-2012, 04:56 AM

Abuse song: White Knuckles by Elvis Costello (he has a ton more but this one is probably one of the most obvious ones)

http://www.last.fm/music/Elvis+Costello+&+The+Attractions/_/White+Knuckles

stevieray

10-28-2012, 06:35 AM

hit me with your best shot

/pat beantar

:D

Bugeater

10-28-2012, 07:26 AM

Huh, that seems like an odd homework assignment. And I don't think I'm going to be any help at all.

J Diddy

10-28-2012, 07:32 AM

hit me with your best shot

/pat beantar

:D

LMAO

KChiefer

10-28-2012, 07:51 AM

notorious

10-28-2012, 08:13 AM

Offspring - Self Esteem

Matchbox 20 - Push you Around

Dayze

10-28-2012, 08:13 AM

Stand By Your Man

Aries Walker

10-28-2012, 08:20 AM

"Hunter", by Dido.

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cdcox

10-28-2012, 08:23 AM

I was told there would be math.

Pasta Little Brioni

10-28-2012, 08:26 AM

Spousal Abuse AND new love....Send Pioli back to where he's from. Done.

notorious

10-28-2012, 08:38 AM

I was told there would be meth./feceskoolaid

Fixed

GloryDayz

10-28-2012, 09:03 AM

I learned a long time ago that you can't do it all. As educated as my wife and I are, and surrounded by folks in our lives who are equally as educated, it's still tough. I'm a network engineer by trade, my wife's a middle school math "coach" (district level math strategy type and teaches teachers how to teach better), and she has a major in English too (!!!!), and it's still tough helping a high schooler who takes four AP/IB classes in one year. Add to that he's on the tennis team, in the band AND deeply involved in Robotics and your parental head can explode when you travel like I do. At some point we all need to get over ourselves and think outside the box when you're blessed with kids like these, I know I did. I'll do anything and everything to help them because they are better than me, and that's all I've ever really wanted. Sheesh, mine just left in MY truck to go airerate lawns....a full-on business run by the high school robotics team to afford all the parts they want to build backup robots and travel money. Yeah, these kids are AWESOME!

This may not help in the short term but one thing I've found works REALLY well is to spend time finding local college kids for tutoring. I had an intern who worked for me, she was smart as a whip, nice and late for an upgrade one night because she was toutoring and forgot!!! I was mad, but it turned out to be a good thing! These college kids are SMART, so go get the smartest of the smart for your kids. Not an add on the cork-board in a dorm, but a call or email to the head of the respective department at the college and ask if they have any kids they'd recommend for tutoring any specific class/discipline. They come at the right price, it give the college kid a skill they probably need, and because of the age of the kids, it's easy for the college kid to relate. Find one in athletics and I'll bet you'll find somebody who wasn't always a whiz at everything and understands schedules that aren't set! In my case I was talking about it at a F2F in Dallas two years ago with some of the folks work for me and were thinking the Cumon and Sylvan were pricy (and they are!), and many have tried it. In one case, not only did her son's grade go up by two letter grades in six weeks (C-to-A), he also went from not liking math to loving it. Plus, he got into all the NDSU games he ever wanted to, of any discipline, because the tutor was a student athlete. Bonus them when your kid succeeds and they'll work even harder after that... Once she graduated, she set him up with his next tutor (at $15 an hour once or twice a week, why stop). I've done it here too, and some other who work for me have done it in Dallas, Denver, Minneapolis, St. Louis, and soon in San Antonio. While some didn't get that two letter grade jump, none found it to be a bad deal either.

So, in short, if you can get through the short term, look to the local colleges if the need continues...

GloryDayz out....

Pasta Little Brioni

10-28-2012, 09:05 AM

Fixed

ROFL

NewChief

10-28-2012, 09:11 AM

In58men

10-28-2012, 09:34 AM

KChiefer

10-28-2012, 09:38 AM

Usually with these "novel soundtracks" they also do an accompanying paper/essay that explains the thematic tie-ins to the book. I'm worried that she's going to be in trouble if you just burn all these songs onto a disc, and she has no idea what the songs say or anything. I mean, I doubt the teacher is going to think that your daughter knows who The Vandals are.

Yeah, I was wondering how close the narrative/feelings in the song should match the book. And I think it's unfair if it has to be only a woman finding new love song. It's a pretty universal feeling and can allow for more songs/connections to work with. This seems like a hard enough task that you'd have to get help(parents/internet lists) finding a song that really fits it best or you'd just pick a song that you know and attach it to the book very loosely.

Etta James - At Last

NewChief

10-28-2012, 09:44 AM

Yeah, I was wondering how close the narrative/feelings in the song should match the book. And I think it's unfair if it has to be only a woman finding new love song. It's a pretty universal feeling and can allow for more songs/connections to work with. This seems like a hard enough task that you'd have to get help(parents/internet lists) finding a song that really fits it best or you'd just pick a song that you know and attach it to the book very loosely.

Etta James - At Last

Usually it's more like that.

Even though "At Last" isn't about spousal abuse, a student might say, "I chose Etta James's 'At Last' because the protagonist thinks she's found true love when she first meets her husband. She thinks they're going to have a good life together. Unfortunately, she later finds out how wrong she is. This is ironic because the man she thought was going to save her actually becomes the one who kills her."

Or something along those lines. Every single song isn't supposed to tie in thematically with the book, they usually have the songs tie in with specific moments in the book or characters in the book.

Here's an example of the usual way this assignment looks:
http://edinanua.blogspot.com/2007/09/soundtrack-assignment.html

Most movies today come with a soundtrack of songs and music heard in the film. These songs sometimes are incidental (i.e., not important) to the film, but other times they add meaning to the plot or highlight the emotional aspects of particular characters.

For this assignment, you must create a soundtrack for The Catcher in the Rye that represents theme, illustrates growth of character, and reflects the plot meaningfully. The soundtrack that you create should be appropriately and respectfully representative of the novel.

Here are specific criteria:

1. You must have a minimum of eight songs. You may choose any kind of music. You may want to think about having a “theme” to your music; that is, have all music be from one genre. (WWHLT? What would Holden listen to?)

2. At least three of these songs must be for specific characters. That is, find a song that best represents each character you choose. In essence, this should be the character’s “theme song.”

3. At least three songs must be meant for specific scenes of the novel. Focus on specific, meaningful scenes. Ask yourself: if this scene were made into a movie, what music would be played in it?

4. At least one song must represent a theme found in the novel overall.

5. Not all the music you choose must have lyrics. Instrumental selections are also appropriate.

6. For each song you choose, you must write a paragraph explaining your choice. Comment on the connection between the music and the novel. The song must fit the character/scene/theme well. For each song, use at least one quotation from the book as support for your choice. Also, you will probably want to quote specific lyrics in your discussion. Make sure you offer insightful reasons to justify your selections and connections.

7. You must either provide lyrics for each song or make a tape/CD with the music on it. You may wish to just present the lyrics that would be heard in the movie, or you may provide the entire lyrics since the full song would appear on your soundtrack.

8. Create the cover jacket for the CD soundtrack jewel case (front and back). The cover should include the name of the CD and at least one visual reference to the novel; the visual(s) should also connect to the characters/scenes/themes that you emphasize on the soundtrack. Other text that you may wish to include on the front or back: a list of the songs/performing artists, credits, recording company information, dedications, lyrics. Push your creativity here.

KChiefer

10-28-2012, 10:23 AM

Usually it's more like that.

That's good for the student then, yeah. It's just all about they're ability to create and explain a connection.

More Jenny Lewis/Rilo Kiley
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/2230862?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0&badge=0&color=ffffff" width="500" height="375" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/2230862">JENNY LEWIS 'Rise Up with Fists'</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user913373">the infantry</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858561498/

I'd relate it as a song about her breaking free of the ugly people/things in her life. Anyways, Jenny Lewis could abuse me anytime!

KChiefer

10-28-2012, 10:31 AM

Ace Gunner

10-28-2012, 11:15 AM

I would tell her to write about how cool this song is and nobody is interested in those debbie downer songs:D
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patteeu

10-28-2012, 12:11 PM

I don't know if this fits. It seems to be related to relationship abuse, but since I like Goodbye Earl, maybe I'm on the wrong track. FWIW, I think she'd be better off with semi-popular songs than super obscure songs from ancient history or fringe genres, even if her tastes are too highfalutin to like them.

Florence + The Machine - Kiss With A Fist

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Dr. Johnny Fever

10-29-2012, 07:29 PM

Just wanted to thank everyone for their help here. She got an A today using "Accidentally In Love" By Counting Crows and "Man Down" by Rhianna. Everyone's help is appreciated.