Damn I miss Dick Vermiel!

[MahiMike]

We'll never have an offense like his again. Wish he'd stuck around longer.:hail:

http://www.kansascitykc.com/chiefs/dick-vermeil/

[Hammock Parties]

damn, Vermeil is tall.

[mikey23545]

I thought we'd never have a defense like his again, either...

[aturnis]

Miss the offense, not the coach. Worst defense every, up until this defense...

[Woodchuck]

I'd rather be better on defense.

[CoMoChief]

I'd rather be better on defense.

Not me....the object is to put the ball in the endzone...and we haven't consistently done that since DV left.

[kcxiv]

Wait for Danes post, if it wasnt for the FO forcing Vermeil to hire someone to run the offense he would be ass! lol

[RealSNR]

Vermeil was possibly worse at drafting players than Pioli.

I'm quite serious.

[BlackHelicopters]

Vermeil can bottle wine with the best of them.

[Titty Meat]

I loved Vermiel but for a guy who was around college football so much I can't believe his drafts were that bad.

[HemiEd]

Well at least that was entertaining football.

Check that, if you like watching pile ups in a NASCAR race, bullies picking on little kids, then the current Chiefs football would be entertaining.

[tyton75]

I miss Marty

[FAX]

After year four of Pioli's fabulous process, there are a lot of things I miss.

Having experienced this crap, had I been kidnapped by scientifically modified orangutans with titanium feet and held captive in a dishwasher for 12 years, I would miss that.

FAX

[Rasputin]

I miss Hank Stram and he was before my time.

[DaneMcCloud]

I fucking hate Dick Vermeil. He led this franchise on its path to where it is currently.

Instead of drafting Drew Brees, he traded for a fragile Trent Green that lasted only 5 years. Instead of drafting BPA, they constantly reached for players that were busts. Instead of hiring competent defensive coordinators, he hired friends.

The drafts under Vermeil are the exact reason why the Chiefs have issues up and down the roster. He fucking wasted everyone's time, while earning $4 million a year.

Fuck him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Wait for Danes post, if it wasnt for the FO forcing Vermeil to hire someone to run the offense he would be ass! lol

That would be St. Louis.

And there's nothing incorrect with your post. John Shaw wanted him gone after his first two atrocious seasons in St. Louis. Only Georgia Frontiere's intervention saved his job.

For a year.

[Radar Chief]

I just miss having a team that acts like they want to play the game of football.
This team is mailing it in.

[BoneKrusher]

i know the Defense was bad with DV but damn Pioli's been building this team for 4 years and they play like an expansion team.

I Miss DV and Carl.

[DaneMcCloud]

i know the Defense was bad with DV but damn Pioli's been building this team for 4 years and they play like an expansion team.

I Miss DV and Carl.

Who cares? The results have been exactly the same:

No playoff wins.

[Mr. Plow]

Who cares? The results have been exactly the same:

No playoff wins.


But it was entertaining football - you can't deny that.

[DaneMcCloud]

But it was entertaining football - you can't deny that.

I didn't find it entertaining in the least.

It actually pissed me off more than the Herm years because the draft choices and the defense were fucking pathetic.

Plus, in five seasons, the Vermeil led Chiefs made the playoffs once.

ONCE. And lost, of course.

Fuck Vermeil.

[rabblerouser]

Fuck that whiney wine drinking crybaby suckass.

For a BUNCH of reasons.

[BoneKrusher]

Who cares? The results have been exactly the same:

No playoff wins.

when DV was here i could hold my head up most Monday mornings.
the last two seasons under Pioli i've felt like crawling under a rock.

[Demonpenz]

that was awesome when he hung on to a kicker who could barely kick over 32 yards.

[chefsos]

when DV was here i could hold my head up most Monday mornings.
the last two seasons under Pioli i've felt like crawling under a rock.I've gotten over that. I'm weirdly proud now to point out to people that they're gonna see the worst NFL football possible Monday night. Hell, I'm still bothered more by games lost in 2005 that I am by one two weeks ago.

[DaneMcCloud]

when DV was here i could hold my head up most Monday mornings.
the last two seasons under Pioli i've felt like crawling under a rock.

If your "head is down" on Monday mornings because your favorite football team lost the day before, you might want to consider talking to someone about that.

[rabblerouser]

I've gotten over that. I'm weirdly proud now to point out to people that they're gonna see the worst NFL football possible Monday night. Hell, I'm still bothered more by games lost in 2005 that I am by one two weeks ago.

Right - I'm numb.

In 2005, when Jordan Black lost that game in Buffalo for us, I was MAD.

Blew a double-digit lead at home to Philly - PISSED.

Now...I KNOW we're gonna lose. I want to lose 77-2, and the 2 to come from an intentional safety by Pitt at the end of the game, just so they can pin the Chiefs deep again. I want Matt Cassel to throw 5 TDs...to PITTSBURG.

Fuck, I'm so mad.

[BoneKrusher]

If your "head is down" on Monday mornings because your favorite football team lost the day before, you might want to consider talking to someone about that.

i'm allright.
i need to figure out how to say Fuck You to this team.

[Crush]

Vermeil sucked. 0 playoff wins and his devotion to Greg Robinson made him a colossal failure. He relied on veterans and didn't develop any in-house talent. Grandpa Dick can go fuck himself with a rusty spoon filled with antifreeze.

[BoneKrusher]

Vermeil sucked. 0 playoff wins and his devotion to Greg Robinson made him a colossal failure. He relied on veterans and didn't develop any in-house talent. Grandpa Dick can go **** himself with a rusty spoon filled with antifreeze.

i agree on the playoffs but Pioli's been far worse.

[Crush]

i agree on the playoffs but Pioli's been far worse.

It doesn't matter. We're not collecting participation trophies. The truth is that this entire franchise is entrenched in failure. 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. They're all losers.

[FringeNC]

I never missed watching a game when Vermeil was joke. Now, I don't give a fuck. Chiefs football used to be an event. Clayton's thread on the Chiefs being the 3rd worst team of all-time -- just about every year the Chiefs were in the top 10 in the league in power rankings with Vermeil. I hate to say it -- they were just unlucky.

[bricks]

Vermeil sucked. 0 playoff wins and his devotion to Greg Robinson made him a colossal failure. He relied on veterans and didn't develop any in-house talent. Grandpa Dick can go **** himself with a rusty spoon filled with antifreeze.

Vermeil was the last decent head coach this franchise had. I'll take him anyday of the week over the shitty head coaches this franchise has hired over the past 7 years.

At least his teams were exciting to watch. You know with Vermeil the Chiefs offensively competed with anybody in the league. And ALWAYS ranked at the top of the league. **** we could only dream of having offenses like that now.

Yeah we know his defenses couldn't stop anybody and its not like this current defense is any better now.

If he had a defenisve guru at the time maybe the Chiefs would of competed with the Pats? The only thing I didn't like about Vermeil's teams was that they were too old and that force the Chiefs to rebuild for a period of time. So I agree with you there.

[Titty Meat]

Vermiel has to be the 3rd winningest coach in Chiefs franchise history ROFL

[Crush]

Vermiel has to be the 3rd winningest coach in Chiefs franchise history ROFL

Which is fucking pathetic.

[DeezNutz]

No one can motherfuck Dick Vermeil enough. He was an absolute abomination, led this franchise to a fucking cliff, and then walked away.

[SAUTO]

No one can motherfuck Dick Vermeil enough. He was an absolute abomination, led this franchise to a fucking cliff, and then walked away.

Then herm pushed us
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[SAUTO]

Then Pioli fucked our rotted remains.
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[DeezNutz]

Then herm pushed us
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Just no question that Herm was a terrible coach. However, he and Koo-hair-ick could identify and draft talent. Hell, imagine the talent on this roster had they drafted for the last three years?

Even RAC would struggle to fuck that up.

[BoneKrusher]

It doesn't matter. We're not collecting participation trophies. The truth is that this entire franchise is entrenched in failure. 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. They're all losers.

hate to admit it but it's true.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

:shake:

[SAUTO]

Just no question that Herm was a terrible coach. However, he and Koo-hair-ick could identify and draft talent. Hell, imagine the talent on this roster had they drafted for the last three years?

Even RAC would struggle to fuck that up. agreed on the talent issue. Totally disagree about the last sentence though.
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Then midget Dickie

[SAUTO]

Fucked blackbob in
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

the back of

[SAUTO]

The pot dispensary
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[Rams Fan]

That would be St. Louis.

And there's nothing incorrect with your post. John Shaw wanted him gone after his first two atrocious seasons in St. Louis. Only Georgia Frontiere's intervention saved his job.

For a year.

That doesn't mean much. John Shaw was a terrible football executive.

Frontiere's belief, I believe, was to give a coach 3 seasons. She told her kids to do that with Linehan.

[LiveSteam]

I fucking hate Dick Vermeil. He led this franchise on its path to where it is currently.

Instead of drafting Drew Brees, he traded for a fragile Trent Green that lasted only 5 years. Instead of drafting BPA, they constantly reached for players that were busts. Instead of hiring competent defensive coordinators, he hired friends.

The drafts under Vermeil are the exact reason why the Chiefs have issues up and down the roster. He fucking wasted everyone's time, while earning $4 million a year.

Fuck him.

I liked Dick. Although he was a strange man for sure. Great offensive mind.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

"Try my latest wine yet Mahi?"

[displacedinMN]

Vermeil was great.
Greg Robinson was the failure-EVERYWHERE!!!!!!
Denver, Syracuse, A and M, Michigan, KC

He was the reason we lost.
I will always believe that with a different DC, we win the superbowl.

[DaneMcCloud]

That doesn't mean much. John Shaw was a terrible football executive.

Frontiere's belief, I believe, was to give a coach 3 seasons. She told her kids to do that with Linehan.

LMAO

You're a fucking moron.

Shaw was with the Rams for nearly 30 years and RAPED the Colts on the Dickerson trade. He was there when the Rams were in the 79 Super Bowl as well as the 1999 and 2002 Super Bowl.

JFC.

[CLX]

Who cares? The results have been exactly the same:

No playoff wins.

You hate Vermeil, so let that rest. Just how many playoff games have the Chiefs won in the past 40 years? I believe, I could be wrong now, but I don't think so, you can count them on one hand.

Hate Vermeil all you want, he had an offense, something we haven't seen since he left, outside of the one year that Weis was there. If they would have fired Haley and kept Weis maybe the team would have turned that corner. Haley was piss poor, Crennel is a likeable guy, but he doomed himself by making the same mistake Haley did, he thought he could be the HC and the DC at the same time. Can't happen, the team loses with a HC with split duties.

[DaneMcCloud]

You hate Vermeil, so let that rest. Just how many playoff games have the Chiefs won in the past 40 years? I believe, I could be wrong now, but I don't think so, you can count them on one hand.

Hate Vermeil all you want, he had an offense, something we haven't seen since he left, outside of the one year that Weis was there. If they would have fired Haley and kept Weis maybe the team would have turned that corner. Haley was piss poor, Crennel is a likeable guy, but he doomed himself by making the same mistake Haley did, he thought he could be the HC and the DC at the same time. Can't happen, the team loses with a HC with split duties.

Shut the fuck up, n00b

[SAUTO]

You hate Vermeil, so let that rest. Just how many playoff games have the Chiefs won in the past 40 years? I believe, I could be wrong now, but I don't think so, you can count them on one hand.

Hate Vermeil all you want, he had an offense, something we haven't seen since he left, outside of the one year that Weis was there. If they would have fired Haley and kept Weis maybe the team would have turned that corner. Haley was piss poor, Crennel is a likeable guy, but he doomed himself by making the same mistake Haley did, he thought he could be the HC and the DC at the same time. Can't happen, the team loses with a HC with split duties. go fist yourself. Bitch
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[BossChief]

I'd like to know the real reason Gunther was re-hired as the teams DC.

Its not like he was a Dick Vermiel hire and after the whole internet firing from Carl Peterson, it probably wasn't his call either. That decision right there probably kept the 2003 and 2005 Chiefs teams from being superbowl contenders. Id like to know who I owe a big old kick in the balls to.

[GloryDayz]

LOL, the diaper comments that made running backs who came within mere yards of setting records in KC, behind O-lines that were far worse than those who set KC records, will be missed. I'll never forget sitting in Arrowhead with my son while Manning and the Colts were only stopped by the clock at the end of the 1st half and ended a great season with a loss! Yeah, his tears when the ass-clown who engineered the only only-one-drive-didn't-end up-in-the-other-team-scoring game I've ever seen being fired were awesome... But he has wine to sell that's just AWESOME!

Other than that, he wasn't stupid!

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd like to know the real reason Gunther was re-hired as the teams DC.



Guilt.

Peterson felt bad that he fired Gunther but there was no way he was going to allow his best friend to coach elsewhere in 2001.

[MOhillbilly]

Dick and the king got in front of the cameras after the 03' season and told the fans that the team was fine and they weren't going to address the defense. Fuck them.

[bobbything]

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft. They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

[Phobia]

I have shed more tears over the Chiefs just this year than DV shed his entire tenure in KC.

[DaneMcCloud]

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft. They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

This makes no sense.

[chiefs1111]

There are only two Vermiel! draft picks currently on this team and one of them is a punter. Screw him

[Phobia]

There are only two Vermiel! draft picks currently on this team and one of them is a punter. Screw him

Check every NFL roster going back 8 years and see how many are left.

[bobbything]

This makes no sense.

Nonsense.

[BossChief]

Only 7 first round picks from the 2005 draft are still with their original team.

[DaneMcCloud]

Check every NFL roster going back 8 years and see how many are left.

Ben Rothlisberger, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers.

Amirite?

[tk13]

I'd like to know the real reason Gunther was re-hired as the teams DC.

Its not like he was a Dick Vermiel hire and after the whole internet firing from Carl Peterson, it probably wasn't his call either. That decision right there probably kept the 2003 and 2005 Chiefs teams from being superbowl contenders. Id like to know who I owe a big old kick in the balls to.

It's gotta be Carl all the way down the line. Notice how Vermeil got run out of town but Gunther stayed behind and was forced on Herm too.

And then when he left, Gunther threw both of them under the bus and complained about their philosophies being different. It was what it was... Carl went all-in on a last shot at winning it all. Except when DV left, he hung around for some reason and took the fall.

[bricks]

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft.They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

[DaneMcCloud]

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

Steals?

LMAO

Priest Holmes was dumped by a Super Bowl team after two ACL surgeries. Kennison was dumped MID SEASON. Weigmann was a backup center.

Also, Vermeil expected Richardson to be the starter with Priest as a 3rd down back.

JFC, are you people THIS out of the loop?

Furthermore, you fucking DUMBASS, they missed on how many defensive free agents? A dozen? How about guys like Snoop Minnis? Bigfoot? etc. and so on.

Shut the fuck up.

[BossChief]

How can one argue that those guys weren't steals?

They were.

[DaneMcCloud]

How can one argue that those guys weren't steals?

They were.

Steals? They were castoffs.

And for good reason.

And even then, Vermeil didn't know what the fuck to do with them until weeks into the season.

Tony Richardson starting over Holmes? LMAO

[Phobia]

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

Giving a 1st round pick for a player who has no other suitors is not a solid move. You want to give him credit for a solid trade then Roaf is the one to talk about.

[bobbything]

Steals?

LMAO

Priest Holmes was dumped by a Super Bowl team after two ACL surgeries. Kennison was dumped MID SEASON. Weigmann was a backup center.

Also, Vermeil expected Richardson to be the starter with Priest as a 3rd down back.

JFC, are you people THIS out of the loop?

Furthermore, you fucking DUMBASS, they missed on how many defensive free agents? A dozen? How about guys like Snoop Minnis? Bigfoot? etc. and so on.

Shut the fuck up.

Wait...wut? Are, or are you not, saying they were steals. Cuz it sounds like they are, but you're arguing they're not...but really are.

I'm cunfucked.

[Phobia]

Steals? They were castoffs.

And for good reason.

And even then, Vermeil didn't know what the **** to do with them until weeks into the season.

Tony Richardson starting over Holmes? LMAO

I'm with you. Holmes has good numbers here. He was a patient back with good vision. He made a ton of cash because he was running behind arguably one of the best offensive lines assembled in the history of the NFL. I'd hate to see the guy behind this line. Nike wouldn't even manufacture a #31 jersey.

[DaneMcCloud]

How can one argue that those guys weren't steals?

They were.

Trading the #12 overall pick for Trent Green was not a "steal", especially given that Drew Brees was on the board.

The Chiefs under Vermeil were a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

And it failed miserably.

[tk13]

I will say this, Pioli wishes he could do what they did with that offense. I'm not sure anyone in the last two decades has done anything close. They traded for a backup QB, got a RB off the scrapheap, traded a midround pick for a washed up LT, converted a FB to LG, signed another team's backup center, grabbed a castoff WR from a division rival, converted a midget college RB, and created one of the best offenses of all time.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm with you. Holmes has good numbers here. He was a patient back with good vision. He made a ton of cash because he was running behind arguably one of the best offensive lines assembled in the history of the NFL. I'd hate to see the guy behind this line. Nike wouldn't even manufacture a #31 jersey.

We all used to talk about this back in the day. It's kind of funny to revisit it, 11 years later, and have people refer to it as some kind of "glory days" silliness.

And for those that don't know, Phobes is the man that coined the nickname:

TrInt.

[Phobia]

We all used to talk about this back in the day. It's kind of funny to revisit it, 11 years later, and have people refer to it as some kind of "glory days" silliness.

And for those that don't know, Phobes is the man that coined the nickname:

TrInt.
I came to appreciate Green playing within his abilities. But that first year was horrific. Green was another Holmes-like beneficiary of that offensive line, that system. Made him a rich man too. Shows that having a team and coaches who can play to your strengths and hide your weaknesses works. That staff gets credit for that, for sure. I wish we had some of that today but as good as that offense was, the defense was twice as bad. Probably even worse than today's defense.

[bobbything]

This is awesome. People actually railing on the best offense this franchise has ever seen and then quantifying the criticism with how bad those players were with OTHER teams.

I've seen it all.

We were awful on offense in the 90's with Marty, for the record..

[bobbything]

I came to appreciate Green playing within his abilities. But that first year was horrific. Green was another Holmes-like beneficiary of that offensive line, that system. Made him a rich man too. Shows that having a team and coaches who can play to your strengths and hide your weaknesses works. That staff gets credit for that, for sure. I wish we had some of that today but as good as that offense was, the defense was twice as bad. Probably even worse than today's defense.

Many players were beneficiaries of a great offensive line. The Skins of the late 80's and Cowboys of early 90's were some of the best lines ever. Aikman was basically Trent Green. Emmit Smith, Priest Holmes.

[tk13]

This is awesome. People actually railing on the best offense this franchise has ever seen and then quantifying the criticism with how bad those players were with OTHER teams.

I've seen it all.

We were awful on offense in the 90's with Marty, for the record..

Welcome to ChiefsPlanet, where everything that's good sucks, every Super Bowl winning coach is lucky, every 1st round QB is Aaron Rodgers, and cornerback is the most important position on the defense. If you've been here longer than 5 minutes you've seen it in action.

[Phobia]

We were awful on offense in the 90's with Marty, for the record..

That's simply not true. In years we made the playoffs, we typically had a top 10 offense. The defense was the emphasis but they weren't awful.

[Phobia]

Many players were beneficiaries of a great offensive line. The Skins of the late 80's and Cowboys of early 90's were some of the best lines ever. Aikman was basically Trent Green. Emmit Smith, Priest Holmes.

There's some truth to that. That's why this is team game. That's why I don't give a rip about individual awards. Bring me a Lombardi.

[Phobia]

Welcome to ChiefsPlanet, where everything that's good sucks, every Super Bowl winning coach is lucky, every 1st round QB is Aaron Rodgers, and cornerback is the most important position on the defense. If you've been here longer than 5 minutes you've seen it in action.

Most of us married supermodels and our mistresses are younger supermodels with bigger racks. What do you expect?

[bobbything]

You're right Phobia, we were typically top 15 in both. I'm just conjuring up images of our padding offense in those playoff games.

[bobbything]

*passing

[Phobia]

You're right Phobia, we were typically top 15 in both. I'm just conjuring up images of our padding offense in those playoff games.

It's natural for those memories to rise to the top. They were top 10 in offense a number of years and I think top 3 in 97.

[|Zach|]

He was kind of a mercenary that never really embraced Kansas City but damn....I absolutely *loved* watching Priest Holmes run. I have fun memories of some of the things that team was able to do on the ground.

[bobbything]

It's natural for those memories to rise to the top. They were top 10 in offense a number of years and I think top 3 in 97.

Jesus, we were 5th and 1st, in offense and defense (respectively) that year. And that was with Gannon and Grtard splitting the starting duties. Our rushing offense must have been awesome because neither of these guys had a QB rating of over 79.

[bobbything]

*rushing

Sorry, on my phone fat-fingering everything.

[bricks]

Giving a 1st round pick for a player who has no other suitors is not a solid move. You want to give him credit for a solid trade then Roaf is the one to talk about.

Roaf was one of the better trades in Chiefs history.

But, you don't consider Trent Green a solid move?
C'mon. The guy gave the Chiefs 5 productive seasons, made two probowls, was unquestionably one of the better leaders on the ball club. In fact, I think Trent Green could be ranked up there as one of the better Chiefs QBs in history.I'm speaking directly from a longevity and productivity standpoint. I understand that giving up a first round pick is a lot for a 31 year old QB at the time, but when that first round pick turns out to be Damione Lewis, and your QB produces consistently for 5 seasons, makes probowls, that is win and without a doubt a very solid move by the Chiefs.

[FAX]

He was kind of a mercenary that never really embraced Kansas City but damn....I absolutely *loved* watching Priest Holmes run. I have fun memories of some of the things that team was able to do on the ground.

Me, too.

Regardless of what the critics say (justified to some extent, or not), that was one hell of an offense. Once they finally figured out Saunders' playbook, they rarely disappointed on the field. Unstoppable in the redzone.

FAX

[AussieChiefsFan]

Me, too.

Regardless of what the critics say (justified to some extent, or not), that was one hell of an offense. Once they finally figured out Saunders' playbook, they rarely disappointed on the field. Unstoppable in the redzone.

FAX

Man, 2003. :)

[FAX]

Man, 2003. :)

I think that Carl and Uncle Dick both realized what they were doing. The idea was to "win now" and to do that, they had to go the free agent route because they needed experienced veterans.

The problem, of course, was that it meant we wound up with an old team that was ready to retire after the run was over.

I can see why they took that approach, though. The Chiefs hadn't won anything in a long time and the culture needed the shock of actually going all the way ... or close to it, at least. The Chiefs' losing mentality had permeated the entire franchise. Uncle Dick gave us that opportunity.

But they blew it. Even after catching lightning in a bottle with Priest, they still couldn't field a defense worth a damn (as we know) and it created the need to rebuild the roster from scratch. Yet, even that would have been palatable had they actually succeeded in winning the Super Bowl.

But we're now staring down the barrel of another entire decade of rebuild after rebuild (2003 - 2012). Had it not been for that, I could forgive them. After all the sparkle and flash, not only did we receive nothing in return, but it cost us ... an overly high cost, as it turned out.

FAX

[bricks]

I think that Carl and Uncle Dick both realized what they were doing. The idea was to "win now" and to do that, they had to go the free agent route because they needed experienced veterans.

The problem, of course, was that it meant we wound up with an old team that was ready to retire after the run was over.

I can see why they took that approach, though. The Chiefs hadn't won anything in a long time and the culture needed the shock of actually going all the way ... or close to it, at least. The Chiefs' losing mentality had permeated the entire franchise. Uncle Dick gave us that opportunity.

But they blew it. Even after catching lightning in a bottle with Priest, they still couldn't field a defense worth a damn (as we know) and it created the need to rebuild the roster from scratch. Yet, even that would have been palatable had they actually succeeded in winning the Super Bowl.

But we're now staring down the barrel of another entire decade of rebuild after rebuild (2003 - 2012). Had it not been for that, I could forgive them. After all the sparkle and flash, not only did we receive nothing in return, but it cost us ... an overly high cost, as it turned out.

FAX

I think the win now thing could of possibly been devoted to Lamar Hunt.

Im saying that because he was old at the time and they did what they could to at least try to win a superbowl before he dies. I think thats what a lot of people fail to consider.

[FAX]

I think the win now thing could of possibly been devoted to Lamar Hunt.

Im saying that because he was old at the time and they did what they could to at least try to win a superbowl before he dies. I think thats what a lot of people fail to consider.

I have no doubt that was part of the rationale, Mr. bricks.

Lamar deserved another Super Bowl ... if for no other reason than he was the most patient, supportive owner in the universe.

Clark needs to get his house in order so he can hoist that trophy in his father's name.

FAX

[Pasta Little Brioni]

FAX, was Cassel punishment for our true fan sins?

[FAX]

FAX, was Cassel punishment for our true fan sins?

Clearly, somebody in the house has killed a kitten.

FAX

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Clearly, somebody in the house has killed a kitten.

FAX

Guess fucking sheep is the key (Works for Donco fans)

[FAX]

Guess ****ing sheep is the key (Works for Donco fans)

Well, if that's what it takes ... I guess I'd have to do it. If, that is, we can't find another volunteer.

FAX

[Rasputin]

I have no doubt that was part of the rationale, Mr. bricks.

Lamar deserved another Super Bowl ... if for no other reason than he was the most patient, supportive owner in the universe.

Clark needs to get his house in order so he can hoist that trophy in his father's name.
FAX

This is why I think Clark does indeed care. Some say he doesn't care but I believe he does care. He just got bewittled from Scott Pioli, blind swiped bamboozalled. What ever you want to call it Clark & Chiefs fans got duped by Scott Pioli for what he was suppose to bring and that's championships.

[FAX]

This is why I think Clark does indeed care. Some say he doesn't care but I believe he does care. He just got bewittled from Scott Pioli, blind swiped bamboozalled. What ever you want to call it Clark & Chiefs fans got duped by Scott Pioli for what he was suppose to bring and that's championships.

Yep. Pioli is one of "those" guys. All package, no present.

FAX

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Well, if that's what it takes ... I guess I'd have to do it. If, that is, we can't find another volunteer.

FAX

(Un)Fortunately Mr. Knowmo has the market cornered. Been in his blood for centuries.

[CLX]

Shut the fuck up, n00b

Nice language. God Bless you.

[CLX]

go fist yourself. Bitch
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How rude. God Bless you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Nice language. God Bless you.

Fuck off.

Is it just ONE n00b today or an invasion of dumbasses?

[SAUTO]

How rude. God Bless you.

He does. Every day.


You can still go fist yourself
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[SAUTO]

Fuck off.

Is it just ONE n00b today or an invasion of dumbasses?

I wish I remembered how much you hated Dick vermiel. I would have pinniped that dude till you came back
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[RealSNR]

You hate Vermeil, so let that rest. Just how many playoff games have the Chiefs won in the past 40 years? I believe, I could be wrong now, but I don't think so, you can count them on one hand.

Hate Vermeil all you want, he had an offense, something we haven't seen since he left, outside of the one year that Weis was there. If they would have fired Haley and kept Weis maybe the team would have turned that corner. Haley was piss poor, Crennel is a likeable guy, but he doomed himself by making the same mistake Haley did, he thought he could be the HC and the DC at the same time. Can't happen, the team loses with a HC with split duties.

You better hope God allows stupid people into heaven. God bless you.

[BigMeatballDave]

Fuck Dick Vermeil

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I too long for the days when our defense didn't make the other team punt one time in an entire game. I'm guessing this is a joke thread though.

[CoMoChief]

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[FloridaMan88]

I ****ing hate Dick Vermeil. He led this franchise on its path to where it is currently.

Instead of drafting Drew Brees, he traded for a fragile Trent Green that lasted only 5 years. Instead of drafting BPA, they constantly reached for players that were busts. Instead of hiring competent defensive coordinators, he hired friends.

The drafts under Vermeil are the exact reason why the Chiefs have issues up and down the roster. He ****ing wasted everyone's time, while earning $4 million a year.

**** him.

JFC some people never give up.

Keep blaming Vermeil's drafts... SEVEN YEARS after he left KC.

Your black power butt buddy Herm nuclear bombed the Chiefs franchise and Fat Scott is pounding the ashes into the ground.

[DaneMcCloud]

JFC some people never give up.

Keep blaming Vermeil's drafts... SEVEN YEARS after he left KC.

Your black power butt buddy Herm nuclear bombed the Chiefs franchise and Fat Scott is pounding the ashes into the ground.


There is no bigger know-nothing Dumbfuck on this site than you, you racist fucking Mongoloid retard.

How does your mom's cunt taste?

[displacedinMN]

I still like to blame Greg Robinson.

Loser everywhere.

[DaneMcCloud]

I wish I remembered how much you hated Dick vermiel. I would have pinniped that dude till you came back
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:D

[RealSNR]

Fire Pioli and the Patriot cronies. Bring in a bright young coaching staff who has their shit together. Draft Geno at #1, trade back into the first round to select Tavon Austin, and re-sign Bowe and Albert.

With this offensive line talent under a coach who knows his ass from his penis, Jamaal Charles, and the guys we signed added, the product will be an offense that puts Dick Vermeil's to fucking shame.

[milkman]

Roaf was one of the better trades in Chiefs history.

But, you don't consider Trent Green a solid move?
C'mon. The guy gave the Chiefs 5 productive seasons, made two probowls, was unquestionably one of the better leaders on the ball club. In fact, I think Trent Green could be ranked up there as one of the better Chiefs QBs in history.I'm speaking directly from a longevity and productivity standpoint. I understand that giving up a first round pick is a lot for a 31 year old QB at the time, but when that first round pick turns out to be Damione Lewis, and your QB produces consistently for 5 seasons, makes probowls, that is win and without a doubt a very solid move by the Chiefs.

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

[BossChief]

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

[DaneMcCloud]

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

It wasn't five years. It was four.

He was piss poor in 2001 and much better from 2002-2004. By 2006, he was shot.

Drew Brees would have been the better selection, by far.

[BossChief]

It wasn't five years. It was four.

He was piss poor in 2001 and much better from 2002-2004. By 2006, he was shot.

Drew Brees would have been the better selection, by far.

I said as much and if it weren't for that opening day concussion in 2006, Trent probably would have played another 2 years. My point is that if you can get a few years of ELITE qb play for a late first round pick, its not terrible usage of that selection. IMO the problem was Carl passing on Aaron Rodgers when Trent was already 35 years old.

My God what we could have had for 2 late first round picks...

[DaneMcCloud]

I said as much and if it weren't for that opening day concussion in 2006, Trent probably would have played another 2 years. My point is that if you can get a few years of ELITE qb play for a late first round pick, its not terrible usage of that selection. IMO the problem was Carl passing on Aaron Rodgers when Trent was already 35 years old.

My God what we could have had for 2 late first round picks...

Late? It was #12 overall, IIRC, for TrInt.

[milkman]

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

Not me.

That first year was a learning process, so Green was only "elite" (not what I'd call it, but that would only be arguing definitions) for 4 years.

That's a short window.

I would not spend a first round pick on a guy that gives me that short a window.

[FloridaMan88]

There is no bigger know-nothing Dumb**** on this site than you, you racist ****ing Mongoloid retard.

How does your mom's **** taste?

Alert us when you wipe Herm's jizz off your 5 chins, you dickless pile of shit.

[BossChief]

Late? It was #12 overall, IIRC, for TrInt.

You're right. I thought that the pick was around 20 or so...That means we would have reached almost a whole round to take Brees and who knows if he would have worked out for KC, he didn't work out for SD.

Im still not mad that we moved the pick for Trent as much as us passing on Aaron Rodgers once Trent was already 35.

It is what it is.

Lets just hope we dont fuck up our draft position and that we take Geno Smith when we have the chance to do so.

[DaneMcCloud]

Alert us when you wipe Herm's jizz off your 5 chins, you dickless pile of shit.

Shut the fuck up and get back to licking your sister's taint, you fucking worthless piece of shmegma.

[DaneMcCloud]

You're right. I thought that the pick was around 20 or so...That means we would have reached almost a whole round to take Brees and who knows if he would have worked out for KC, he didn't work out for SD.

Im still not mad that we moved the pick for Trent as much as us passing on Aaron Rodgers once Trent was already 35.

It is what it is.

Lets just hope we dont fuck up our draft position and that we take Geno Smith when we have the chance to do so.

Oh, come on.

You can't say that the Chiefs would have "reached" for Brees while at the same time wished they had taken Rodgers.

The fact of the matter is that they failed on both but Brees was the more obvious choice.

He would have excelled with Vermeil, Saunders and Holmes and it wouldn't have cost the Chiefs a dime.

[BossChief]

Oh, come on.

You can't say that the Chiefs would have "reached" for Brees while at the same time wished they had taken Rodgers.

The fact of the matter is that they failed on both but Brees was the more obvious choice.

He would have excelled with Vermeil, Saunders and Holmes and it wouldn't have cost the Chiefs a dime.
He MIGHT have, sure.

The fact is that Trent Green was the second most productive passer from 2002-2005 and that kind of production is worth a pick like that.

Its just a shame that 2 things didnt happen during that span

1) we didn't make a legit push to fix that defense
2) we didn't take a legit qb prospect that could take over when Trent eventually hung em up.

Aaron Rodgers went 9 picks after we took DJ...Brees went 20 picks after the pick we sent off for Trent Green and didnt do shit his first few years, either and that lead the Chargers to taking another highly picked QB to replace him with.

Shit, Eli Manning didnt want to get picked by SD because of how bad they were after 3 years of Brees (combined with tehir historic ineptitude and his dads personal failures with them)

Who knows how thing could have played out if we took him...?

[DaneMcCloud]

Who knows how thing could have played out if we took him...?

Considering that most people feel that Vermeil and his staff were offensive geniuses and there was no pressure to "Win Now" back in 2001, I'd venture to guess that his time under Vermeil would have been similar to Trent's, if not unlike Brees tenure in New Orleans.

His lack of success in San Diego clearly falls on Marty's shoulders.

Who do you think San Diego wishes they had at QB these past seven seasons: Brees or Rivers?

[BossChief]

There wasn't a pressure to "win now"? They traded a second round pick for a 65 year old coach...

If I have a choice, I take the first round QB in the draft every fucking time, but Im not gonna get pissed because we traded for Green, either. He gave us 4 years of running an elite offense and if CP had taken the steps necessary to build a defense that could compliment that offense, we would have had a real shot at a championship in 2003 or 2005...then made the fatal flaw of not taking the gift of having Aaron Rodgers fall into his lap.

Also, didn't you just get done telling me how Dick was a fraud and how Martz was the real mind...now you think Brees would have developed under Vermiel?

[CLX]

Fuck off.

Is it just ONE n00b today or an invasion of dumbasses?

How old are you? 14? Check out the dictionary online and see if you can find a vocabulary.

God Bless

[CLX]

You better hope God allows stupid people into heaven. God bless you. He does so I'm sure to see you there.

[CLX]

He does. Every day.


You can still go fist yourself
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I doubt you can substantiate that with language like that. Do like your other entity and go look for a way to express yourself like a normal person.

God Bless you.