Football The SEC... REALLY? [Archive]

Lzen

11-10-2012, 05:42 PM

Uh, yeah. By far.

NC games:
2007 Florida 41, Ohio State 14
2008 LSU 38, Ohio State 24
2009 Florida 24, Oklahoma 14
2010 Alabama 37, Texas 21
2011 Auburn 22, Oregon 19
2012 Alabama 21, LSU 0

I don't buy that the SEC is superior by far. OU was a pretty close game. Texas was also a close game until McCoy got knocked out. And I don't even know why you posted last year's game. It was 2 SEC schools. Yes, the SEC is the best conference. But they are not far superior to everyone else. Well, far superior to the Big 10. I'll give you that.

DeezNutz

11-10-2012, 05:46 PM

Last six national championships and this is even debatable?

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 05:48 PM

Are you on crack?

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 05:49 PM

Last six national championships and this is even debatable?

Yeah, but some of them weren't big enough blowouts.

Stewie

11-10-2012, 05:52 PM

Alabama can beat NFL teams! They're God's gift to football!

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 05:54 PM

Alabama can beat NFL teams! They're God's gift to football!

The SEC is weak because Alabama is losing to an SEC team?

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 05:55 PM

I don't buy that the SEC is superior by far. OU was a pretty close game. Texas was also a close game until McCoy got knocked out. And I don't even know why you posted last year's game. It was 2 SEC schools. Yes, the SEC is the best conference. But they are not far superior to everyone else. Well, far superior to the Big 10. I'll give you that.
They win every NC, they win a huge portion of their bowl games every year, and they certainly pass the eye test. I'm not sure what more one needs to show that it's significantly better than everyone else.

Stewie

11-10-2012, 05:55 PM

The SEC is weak because Alabama is losing to an SEC team?

Yeah, a middling Big 12 team.

DeezNutz

11-10-2012, 05:56 PM

Yeah, a middling Big 12 team.

They wouldn't be a middling Big 12 team this year, since they're a top-20 team, playing in a superior league.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 05:57 PM

They escaped from the Big Leftover and were rewarded handsomely recruit wise. Don't know why you still claim them.

Stewie

11-10-2012, 05:57 PM

They wouldn't be a middling Big 12 team this year, since they're a top-20 team, playing in a superior league.

But Alabama can't lose to anyone! The SEC media told us so!

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 05:58 PM

OK, now that was Big Tex defense

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 05:59 PM

Yeah, a middling Big 12 team.
Statistically, A&M has been one of the top 10 teams in the country this year.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:01 PM

But Alabama can't lose to anyone! The SEC media told us so!

Nebraska has won a Big 12 conference game more recently than Kansas, and Kansas fan is talking shit on Alabama. Alabama wins National Championships about as often as Kansas wins games.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:02 PM

TD Bama

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:04 PM

Nebraska has won a Big 12 conference game more recently than Kansas, and Kansas fan is talking shit on Alabama. Alabama wins National Championships about as often as Kansas wins games.
You don't need to talk shit on Kansas to make Alabama football look good. LMAO

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:04 PM

Wow, Bama is looking like a champion right now.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 06:04 PM

...and this is why they play 60 minutes

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:05 PM

You don't need to talk shit on Kansas to make Alabama football look good. LMAO

ROFL

Bewbies

11-10-2012, 06:05 PM

Everyone knows the Big 10 is the best...

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:05 PM

You don't need to talk shit on Kansas to make Alabama football look good. LMAO

I'll stick to talking shit on Stewie. 1st and goal for Bama.

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:08 PM

KCBOSS1

11-10-2012, 06:08 PM

Uh, yes. Check the SEC's record over the last 5 years against other conference opponents.

LoneWolf

11-10-2012, 06:08 PM

Fuck you, Alabama. TheDouchian can suck it.

Stewie

11-10-2012, 06:09 PM

Alabama can beat NFL teams!

Stewie

11-10-2012, 06:09 PM

SEC SEC SESUCK!

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 06:10 PM

INT A&M.

"Great news for the future of KU football"/Stewie

Ceej

11-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Almost as bad as a RunKC thread.

well done.

Stewie

11-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Hahaha... SEC SEC SEC

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:14 PM

INT A&M.

"Great news for the future of KU football"/Stewie

Lol, you're trying to hard.

beer bacon

11-10-2012, 06:15 PM

ITT KU fans talk trash...about football??

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 06:16 PM

'Grats Beakers

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:16 PM

So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

LMAO

Stewie

11-10-2012, 06:16 PM

SEC SEC SEC! Alabama can beat NFL teams!

Ceej

11-10-2012, 06:18 PM

Someone is fucking high.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:18 PM

So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

LMAO

And it took a goal line stand to do it...

Stewie

11-10-2012, 06:19 PM

Steve Spurrier told me so! He's a genious!

Pasta Little Brioni

11-10-2012, 06:20 PM

Lol, you're trying to hard.

I'll give that nod to Stewie, heh

Tribal Warfare

11-10-2012, 06:20 PM

So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

LMAO

Well technically A&M was from the Big 12 before

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 06:21 PM

And it took a goal line stand to do it...

Are you referring to the last possession by Alabama when they got picked on the goal line...?

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:22 PM

Well technically A&M was from the Big 12 before
Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.

Coach

11-10-2012, 06:22 PM

Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.

True, but they are considered a Big XII Reject.

Saulbadguy

11-10-2012, 06:28 PM

Garbage conference.

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:28 PM

True, but they are considered a Big XII Reject.
Reject? Weren't they the ones who willingly left the B12 to join the vastly superior conference? Credit to them for having this kind of great success in their first year unlike MU.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:33 PM

Are you referring to the last possession by Alabama when they got picked on the goal line...?

Yes

tk13

11-10-2012, 06:35 PM

You're all getting trolled here. Although we have threads like this every year, it seems. A bit of an inferiority complex, perhaps. The SEC is still clearly the best conference.

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 06:36 PM

Yes

Oh.

I don't know if I would call that a goal line stand...

There was still about 2 minutes left in the game on that 4th down play. If AL would have punched it in...it would have left a couple of minutes for A&M to drive the field...hell, if not for the offsides, AL was going to get the ball back again...

If that 4th down play came with 10 seconds left in the game, I would agree with you.

LoneWolf

11-10-2012, 06:37 PM

Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.

Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.

|Zach|

11-10-2012, 06:37 PM

You're all getting trolled here. Although we have threads like this every year, it seems. A bit of an inferiority complex, perhaps. The SEC is still clearly the best conference.

Cough

Coach

11-10-2012, 06:37 PM

Reject? Weren't they the ones who willingly left the B12 to join the vastly superior conference? Credit to them for having this kind of great success in their first year unlike MU.

I was being sarcastic. Heh. :D

Coach

11-10-2012, 06:39 PM

You're all getting trolled here. Although we have threads like this every year, it seems. A bit of an inferiority complex, perhaps. The SEC is still clearly the best conference.

I don't know about that. Alabama did not have to play Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida. Granted, they did play LSU, but other than that, (besides the A&M game) they didn't play really anybody, outside of a overrated Michigan team.

tk13

11-10-2012, 06:40 PM

Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.

I would actually agree with you, I don't think the SEC is as strong as previous years.

However, I don't think any of the other conferences are as strong as previous years. Most of the teams in the Big XII literally can't play defense. It's Greg Robinson bad. The Pac 12 has some strong teams but it also has teams like Colorado who are horrifically bad. The Big Ten is a dumpster fire.

ArrowheadMagic

11-10-2012, 06:40 PM

Doesn't matter. SEC still gets one in the NC game no matter what.
Maybe, maybe not. Be difficult to leap frog 3 undefeated teams. Provided all 3 win out.

tk13

11-10-2012, 06:45 PM

I don't know about that. Alabama did not have to play Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida. Granted, they did play LSU, but other than that, (besides the A&M game) they didn't play really anybody, outside of a overrated Michigan team.

I agree Alabama's schedule isn't as hard as it could be in the SEC. At the same time, Kansas State is probably going to the national championship game, and they have pretty much played one really good team, Oklahoma, and even that's questionable. Notre Dame punched them in the mouth. Plus they won't have to play a conference title game.

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:47 PM

Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.
Yeah, the SEC only has five teams in the top 10 this year and six in the top 15. It's a down year.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 06:47 PM

I would actually agree with you, I don't think the SEC is as strong as previous years.

However, I don't think any of the other conferences are as strong as previous years. Most of the teams in the Big XII literally can't play defense. It's Greg Robinson bad. The Pac 12 has some strong teams but it also has teams like Colorado who are horrifically bad. The Big Ten is a dumpster fire.

The SEC has six top fifteen teams. No other conference has more than two (when the rankings come out tomorrow).

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 06:48 PM

You're all getting trolled here. Although we have threads like this every year, it seems. A bit of an inferiority complex, perhaps. The SEC is still clearly the best conference.
And troll threads are still entertaining.

BourbonMan

11-10-2012, 06:50 PM

WOW..Look at all the BIG12 peeps jumping on ATM'S bandwagon, just because they beat Alabama..If I remember right this same BIG12 Conference basically told ATM.."See Ya, Don't let the door hit you in the ass"

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:51 PM

So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

LMAO

Yep. Except that aTm is basically a Big 12 team. They surely haven't turned into an SEC team over night. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned the recruiting boost they got for moving to the SEC. Whether that's true or not, I doubt any of those recruits is making much of an impact this year. Just sayin'.

And I'm not talking trash. I'm just providing some logic in all this SEC hyperbole. MU fans, especially, have pushed this silliness. Again, yes the SEC is the best conference. They are not, however, head and shoulders above the Big 12, IMO. The Big 12 is actually pretty close.

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:53 PM

Reject? Weren't they the ones who willingly left the B12 to join the vastly superior conference? Credit to them for having this kind of great success in their first year unlike MU.

Vastly superior? ROFL You should stick to talking hoops.

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:57 PM

I would actually agree with you, I don't think the SEC is as strong as previous years.

However, I don't think any of the other conferences are as strong as previous years. Most of the teams in the Big XII literally can't play defense. It's Greg Robinson bad. The Pac 12 has some strong teams but it also has teams like Colorado who are horrifically bad. The Big Ten is a dumpster fire.

The problem I have with this argument is that I'd like to see how well the SEC defenses would look in the Big 12. I don't think they would be as dominant as they are now. JMO.

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 06:57 PM

Lzen

11-10-2012, 06:59 PM

ROFL

Tell me, oh wise one, what part of my argument do you disagree?

Bearcat

11-10-2012, 07:00 PM

You're all getting trolled here. Although we have threads like this every year, it seems. A bit of an inferiority complex, perhaps. The SEC is still clearly the best conference.

Here? On ChiefsPlanet?

Lzen

11-10-2012, 07:01 PM

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 07:02 PM

Tell me, oh wise one, what part of my argument do you disagree?

The part about A&M being a Big 12 team. They got a brand new coaching staff dude and yes the SEC is head and shoulders above the Big 12 just like the SEC is head and shoulders above every other conference. The big reason being the talent in that region.

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 07:03 PM

I guess I should have just said billay is obviously still butthurt by Texas. ROFL

Thinking of the fact that Kevin Sumlin took over aTm I would conced that one could make the argument that they aren't really the same team that left the Big 12 after last season.

Butthurt by Texas? My team has a good shot at making the Rose Bowl yours hasn't won a conference road game since the Bush Administration.

Good luck in the future.

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 07:04 PM

The part about A&M being a Big 12 team. They got a brand new coaching staff dude and yes the SEC is head and shoulders above the Big 12 just like the SEC is head and shoulders above every other conference. The big reason being the talent in that region.

We will see how the SEC does in the NC game...

notorious

11-10-2012, 07:04 PM

Meh, it comes and goes in cycles.

LoneWolf

11-10-2012, 07:05 PM

Yeah, the SEC only has five teams in the top 10 this year and six in the top 15. It's a down year.

They get looked on favorably in the polls at the beginning of the season because they are from the SEC. They then schedule nobody (I'll concede Michigan, barely) out of conference. That way when they lose to each other, they say "see, we only lost to another SEC powerhouse".

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that the SEC sucks like some moronic posters on here. All I'm saying is that they aren't as dominant as they have been in previous seasons. Their rankings in the polls are enhanced by the past success of the conference.

notorious

11-10-2012, 07:07 PM

It wouldn't hurt the SEC to play a BCS game away from the south, but we know that will never happen.

tk13

11-10-2012, 07:07 PM

The problem is with the Big XII defenses. Most of the teams in the Big XII are horrible, absolutely horrible at defense. West Virginia has allowed an AVERAGE of 51 pts/game over their last 6 games. Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech... they've all looked terrible on defense. Oklahoma State has had some okay efforts but they also got slaughtered and gave up about 60 points to Arizona in their one decent out of conference game.

If I had a say I'd want to see how some of the Pac 12 teams would look against the SEC. I feel like the middle chunk of the Big XII would be annihilated by good teams in other conferences. K-State is an elite team that is well coached, but aside from that, I don't see what the fuss is about.

Lzen

11-10-2012, 07:08 PM

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 07:09 PM

Yep. Except that aTm is basically a Big 12 team. They surely haven't turned into an SEC team over night. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned the recruiting boost they got for moving to the SEC. Whether that's true or not, I doubt any of those recruits is making much of an impact this year. Just sayin'.
I would say that Texas A&M turned into a SEC team when they joined the conference and starting playing an SEC schedule. Their good play strengthens the SEC conference now (just as MU's poor play, for now, hurts it). I've kind of stopped viewing these programs as a reflection of the B12 (and I don't think there's really much of a narrative to take from the combination of A&M's success and MU's struggles).

And I'm not talking trash. I'm just providing some logic in all this SEC hyperbole. MU fans, especially, have pushed this silliness. Again, yes the SEC is the best conference. They are not, however, head and shoulders above the Big 12, IMO. The Big 12 is actually pretty close.
The Big 12 is very good. 2nd best in the nation, I would grant. But the football that's played there on the whole is really nothing compared to the elite level of football played in the SEC. That's not hyperbole. It's just factual (shown in the national championships, the bowls, the cross-conference records) and very obvious (the athletes are just so, so much better).

Bowser

11-10-2012, 07:10 PM

People. Stewie is just drunk and pissed off that his team couldn't win in overtime on the road, but Missouri could. It's as simple as that.

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 07:11 PM

So basically your whole argument is just your silly opinion. ROFL

A whole new coaching staff with the HC from Houston is a silly argument? Stay in the KU basketball thread it's obvious this college football stuff is above you.

tk13

11-10-2012, 07:12 PM

I'd put the Pac 12 up against the Big XII. Although having Colorado in their conference is a huge black mark against the Pac 12.

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 07:12 PM

They get looked on favorably in the polls at the beginning of the season because they are from the SEC. They then schedule nobody (I'll concede Michigan, barely) out of conference. That way when they lose to each other, they say "see, we only lost to another SEC powerhouse".

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that the SEC sucks like some moronic posters on here. All I'm saying is that they aren't as dominant as they have been in previous seasons. Their rankings in the polls are enhanced by the past success of the conference.
It's not just pollsters, though. Sagarin has six SEC teams in the top 11 of his NCAAFB statistical rankings (2 B12, 2 P12, 1 ND). They're damn good.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

There appear to be a few more bad teams in the SEC than usual, but at the top, their football teams are as good as anybody.

LoneWolf

11-10-2012, 07:20 PM

It's not just pollsters, though. Sagarin has six SEC teams in the top 11 of his NCAAFB statistical rankings (2 B12, 2 P12, 1 ND). They're damn good.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

There appear to be a few more bad teams in the SEC than usual, but at the top, their football teams are as good as anybody.

Congratulations. You are the first SEC fan I've talked to who gets it. As good as anybody, yes. Head and shoulders above everybody, no.

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 07:25 PM

Congratulations. You are the first SEC fan I've talked to who gets it. As good as anybody, yes. Head and shoulders above everybody, no.
I'm no SEC fan. I just respect superior football when I see it and try to remain objective about such things.

BlackHelicopters

11-10-2012, 07:28 PM

Oregon has superior talent than A&M, and runs the no-huddle. Forget Bama.

notorious

11-10-2012, 07:28 PM

I'm no SEC fan. I just respect superior football when I see it and try to remain objective about such things.

The SEC is superior at D-Line. Every other position is a wash.

D-Line is 85% of college defense, though.

ChiefsCountry

11-10-2012, 07:30 PM

It wouldn't hurt the SEC to play a BCS game away from the south, but we know that will never happen.

When did Pasadena and Phoenix become the south.
Posted via Mobile Device

notorious

11-10-2012, 07:36 PM

When did Pasadena and Phoenix become the south.
Posted via Mobile Device

03', 07', 11'.

What if KSU got to play the upcoming NC game in KC? OU got to play in OKC or Dallas?

Oregon got to play in Seattle? Ohio got to play in Cleveland?

I know this is how it's always been, but damn.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 07:42 PM

Oregon has superior talent than A&M, and runs the no-huddle. Forget Bama.

Yeah, Oregon looked pretty good against LSU last year.

alnorth

11-10-2012, 07:47 PM

The SEC

Where lower level and middle of the pack Big 12 schools go to compete.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 07:54 PM

The SEC

Where lower level and middle of the pack Big 12 schools go to compete.

The Big 12: Where fans passionately assert that they are only way worse than the SEC rather than way, way worse

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 07:58 PM

al north

the poster who types a bunch of shit nobody gives a fuck about then puts them on ignore when they call him out.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 08:04 PM

The SEC is probably just going to focus on basketball now. They've won, what, three of the last six titles there?

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 08:07 PM

Those schools who have won practically nothing live vicariously through the success of their conference.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back.

KCTitus

11-10-2012, 08:27 PM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

Yes...

Pablo

11-10-2012, 08:39 PM

Those schools who have won practically nothing live vicariously through the success of their conference.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back.Hey now, MU won the Big 12 Men's B-Ball tournament....

AND THEN TOOK IT WITH THEM TO THE SEC! SEC! SEC!

Never forget.

Saul Good

11-10-2012, 08:52 PM

Those schools who have won practically nothing live vicariously through the success of their conference.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back.

SEC fan never should have started this thread.

KC_Connection

11-10-2012, 08:58 PM

Hey now, MU won the Big 12 Men's B-Ball tournament....

AND THEN TOOK IT WITH THEM TO THE SEC! SEC! SEC!

Never forget.
Norfolked.

I dislike the NCAA tournament as a format to decide a national champion, but if it didn't exist, it wouldn't have brought that great hilarity.

alnorth

11-10-2012, 09:09 PM

The Big 12: Where fans passionately assert that they are only way worse than the SEC rather than way, way worse

Touche

I couldn't resist

Titty Meat

11-10-2012, 09:47 PM

Those schools who have won practically nothing live vicariously through the success of their conference.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back.

No shit.

Bowser

11-10-2012, 09:49 PM

Those schools who have won practically nothing live vicariously through the success of their conference.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back.

Because a Missouri fan started this thread, right?

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 09:51 PM

Because a Missouri fan started this thread, right?

What does my post have to do with the OP?

Are you retarded?

If so...I apologize.

Reerun_KC

11-10-2012, 09:52 PM

This thread already has contracted aids.

notorious

11-10-2012, 09:53 PM

This thread already has contracted aids.

It was just a matter of time.

Bowser

11-10-2012, 09:55 PM

What does my post have to do with the OP?

Are you retarded?

If so...I apologize.

You pissants wouldn't even being throwing this righteous indignation tantrum if one of your own hadn't started this great idea for a thread. Agreed?

Mr_Tomahawk

11-10-2012, 09:58 PM

You pissants wouldn't even being throwing this righteous indignation tantrum if one of your own hadn't started this great idea for a thread. Agreed?

1. I don't know this stewie guy/gal.

2. Why are you so defensive...I didn't specifically address the MU crowd with my comment as it was a generalization. If you feel you fall into that group...your problem.

3. You ARE retarded.

Pitt Gorilla

11-10-2012, 10:10 PM

There will likely be 6 SEC teams in the Top 10 when the new polls come out. Mizzou will have played four of them with one left on the schedule.

bowener

11-10-2012, 10:31 PM

There will likely be 6 SEC teams in the Top 10 when the new polls come out. Mizzou will have played four of them with one left on the schedule.

I'm not sure what MU and non MU fans expected from MU this year. They have played a ridiculous schedule. In the end it sucks this year, but it will slowly make them better in the long run. Hopefully Pinkel is learning that he needs to tweak his O. Sucks that Richardson will most likely leave this year though...

Pitt Gorilla

11-10-2012, 10:33 PM

I'm not sure what MU and non MU fans expected from MU this year. They have played a ridiculous schedule. In the end it sucks this year, but it will slowly make them better in the long run. Hopefully Pinkel is learning that he needs to tweak his O. Sucks that Richardson will most likely leave this year though...He should leave. He'll be another high draft pick from Mizzou.

beach tribe

11-11-2012, 12:15 AM

Titty Meat

11-11-2012, 12:18 AM

This is what bothers me about college football. Everything I know about football tells me "any given Sunday, but there is just no such thing as any given Saturday. And I would bet a weeks pay that that would change after 3 years of a 6 team PO format. This game may keep Alabama, the best team in the country from playing in the title game. Say all you want, but one off game does not change the fact that they are the best. It changes where they are ranked and whether they get a shot.

It's not just 1 game they should have lost last week too. This is what makes college football beautiful literally every game counts.

lcarus

11-11-2012, 12:23 AM

This is fucking stupid, and I hate Bama. So an undefeated SEC team loses their 1 game a year against another SEC team in November and somehow the conference is the butt of a joke by the OP? What the fuck?

teedubya

11-11-2012, 12:25 AM

What the fuck happened to Auburn?

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 12:32 AM

This is what bothers me about college football. Everything I know about football tells me "any given Sunday, but there is just no such thing as any given Saturday. And I would bet a weeks pay that that would change after 3 years of a 6 team PO format. This game may keep Alabama, the best team in the country from playing in the title game. Say all you want, but one off game does not change the fact that they are the best. It changes where they are ranked and whether they get a shot.

What exactly has Alabama done that makes you think they are the best team in the country? If not for Les Miles being the dumbest coach in America, they would have lost the only two games where they played elite competition. They were overrated based of off last years success.

KC_Connection

11-11-2012, 12:38 AM

This is ****ing stupid, and I hate Bama. So an undefeated SEC team loses their 1 game a year against another SEC team in November and somehow the conference is the butt of a joke by the OP? What the ****?
It's pretty ****ing stupid. SEC teams deserve more credit for succeeding with their difficult schedules, not the opposite.

Coach

11-11-2012, 12:40 AM

It's pretty ****ing stupid. SEC teams deserve more credit for succeeding with their difficult schedules, not the opposite.

Except Alabama didn't play Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina. I know they played LSU, but other than that, that's the only Top 10 team they beat. That's it.

Is SEC #1 conference? I'd concede to that, yes, but to make it that it is the best conference ever, well, I wouldn't go that far, because of the scheduling issue, in my view point.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-11-2012, 07:29 AM

People. Stewie is just drunk and pissed off that his team couldn't win in overtime on the road, but Missouri could. It's as simple as that.

Thread

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 07:49 AM

Except Alabama didn't play Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina. I know they played LSU, but other than that, that's the only Top 10 team they beat. That's it.

Is SEC #1 conference? I'd concede to that, yes, but to make it that it is the best conference ever, well, I wouldn't go that far, because of the scheduling issue, in my view point.

Mississippi State was top 10 when they played. Michigan was top 10 when they played, too. A&M was top 15. All but Michigan are still ranked, and Michigan lost their QB.

The only team KSU has beat that is currently in the top 20 is Oklahoma. The only currently ranked team Oregon has beat is USC.

Alabama wasn't coasting on an easy schedule.

keg in kc

11-11-2012, 07:50 AM

Yes. Really.

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:02 AM

Next year Bama's loss is irrelavent.

An 8 team tourney would dilute the season. Be careful what you wish for.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 08:12 AM

Next year Bama's loss is irrelavent.

An 8 team tourney would dilute the season. Be careful what you wish for.

8 teams would be great. It would be something like:

K-State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Ohio State (in a normal year)
Alabama
Florida
Florida State
Georgia/LSU/Louisville/Clemson

That would be incredible, and the regular season wouldn't be watered down.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-11-2012, 08:14 AM

8 team playoff would be amazing. Finally get to see some of these teams matchup instead of the game being decided "Dungeons and Dragons" style.

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:16 AM

8 teams would be great. It would be something like:

K-State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Ohio State (in a normal year)
Alabama
Florida
Florida State
Georgia/LSU/Louisville/Clemson

That would be incredible, and the regular season wouldn't be watered down.

Difference in opinion.

Chief Roundup

11-11-2012, 08:26 AM

The SEC is head and shoulders above all others.
The SEC has been and will continue to be.
The SEC has the most direct link to the NFL.
The SEC has a lot of schools that are also to the beach with the best climate.
So the SEC will get the best players of any conference.
There are just too many things the SEC has over all other conferences.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 08:26 AM

Difference in opinion.

I guess I don't get how an 8 team playoff where no team has more than one loss would water down the regular season. If anything, it might encourage some better early season games. Right now, for contending teams, the only goal is to schedule teams you know can't beat you. Trying to increase strength of schedule and test yourself in the non-con isn't worth the risk of potentially losing a game and ending your season in week 1.

The season is watered down under the current setup because a full third of the season (4 out of 12 games) are glorified scrimmages. 68 basketball teams making the postseason waters down the regular season as well. Football would be well served to meet in the middle, and an 8 team playoff would be nuts.

Can you imagine something along the lines of:

Week 1: KSU vs. Clemson, Notre Dame vs. Florida State, Oregon vs. Florida, Ohio State vs. Alabama.

Week 2: KSU vs. Alabama, Notre Dame vs. Oregon

Week 3: KSU vs. Oregon

seamonster

11-11-2012, 08:30 AM

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:35 AM

I guess I don't get how an 8 team playoff where no team has more than one loss would water down the regular season. If anything, it might encourage some better early season games. Right now, for contending teams, the only goal is to schedule teams you know can't beat you. Trying to increase strength of schedule and test yourself in the non-con isn't worth the risk of potentially losing a game and ending your season in week 1.

The season is watered down under the current setup because a full third of the season (4 out of 12 games) are glorified scrimmages. 68 basketball teams making the postseason waters down the regular season as well. Football would be well served to meet in the middle, and an 8 team playoff would be nuts.

Can you imagine something along the lines of:

Week 1: KSU vs. Clemson, Notre Dame vs. Florida State, Oregon vs. Florida, Ohio State vs. Alabama.

Week 2: KSU vs. Alabama, Notre Dame vs. Oregon

Week 3: KSU vs. Oregon

Why would it push teams to strengthen their schedule? An undefeated shit schedule in a major conference will get you in the top 8 (See Big East and Possibly the old Big 12). There would be zero incentive to schedule any tough games.

Boise State would immediately want to go back to their old conference, too.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-11-2012, 08:36 AM

I guess I don't get how an 8 team playoff where no team has more than one loss would water down the regular season. If anything, it might encourage some better early season games. Right now, for contending teams, the only goal is to schedule teams you know can't beat you. Trying to increase strength of schedule and test yourself in the non-con isn't worth the risk of potentially losing a game and ending your season in week 1.

The season is watered down under the current setup because a full third of the season (4 out of 12 games) are glorified scrimmages. 68 basketball teams making the postseason waters down the regular season as well. Football would be well served to meet in the middle, and an 8 team playoff would be nuts.

Can you imagine something along the lines of:

Week 1: KSU vs. Clemson, Notre Dame vs. Florida State, Oregon vs. Florida, Ohio State vs. Alabama.

Week 2: KSU vs. Alabama, Notre Dame vs. Oregon

Week 3: KSU vs. Oregon

Bama beat KSU 7 out of 10 dice rolls. Their Level 10 defense with SEC speed bonus was too much even when Optimus Klein was put into play. Why play the game, when it's already been decided!!!

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 08:45 AM

Once college football goes from being a judged sport, like batoon twirling and skateboarding, to having a real playoff system in place we'll see how great the SEC is. The chiefs have been drafting their douchey players for years and nearly all have been historic busts.

I'm pretty sure we've seen how great the SEC is for a decade now.

In the past 10 seasons, the SEC has won 7 of 9 national titles. In one of the two years they didn't win it, Auburn was undefeated but didn't get to play in the title game.

The final rankings in the last 10 seasons (including current rankings for this year because it's all we've got), the SEC has had 4, 4, 5, 4, 5, 4, 2, 5, 4, and 6 teams ranked in the top 15. For those of you who hated seeing two SEC teams in the title game last year, you probably don't want an 8 team playoff.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 08:49 AM

Why would it push teams to strengthen their schedule? An undefeated shit schedule in a major conference will get you in the top 8 (See Big East and Possibly the old Big 12). There would be zero incentive to schedule any tough games.

Boise State would immediately want to go back to their old conference, too.

Because there are several teams who would be competing for a spot in the playoff. Right now, if you're picking a top 8, the following teams would be fighting for one of the last spots:

aTm
Stanford
Clemson
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Louisville
LSU
Georgia
Florida State

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:49 AM

For those of you who hated seeing two SEC teams in the title game last year, you probably don't want an 8 team playoff.

No, we don't want to see weaker teams get a shot at upsetting a team that played better during the season.

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:51 AM

Because there are several teams who would be competing for a spot in the playoff. Right now, if you're picking a top 8, the following teams would be fighting for one of the last spots:

aTm
Stanford
Clemson
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Louisville
LSU
Georgia
Florida State

Why do any of those teams deserve a chance at playing for a title?

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 08:57 AM

Why do any of those teams deserve a chance at playing for a title?

Georgia, for one, has played a monster schedule and lost only one game. They would easily be undefeated if they had played Oregon's schedule. One off week versus a bunch of great wins over top teams isn't worse than beating up a bunch of rummies.

notorious

11-11-2012, 08:58 AM

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 09:03 AM

This post is going to be great when Georgia moves into the top 4. LMAO

They won't. SEC will be 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, though.

Also, here's a little something from Sagarin:

B12 total games vs. Top 10 oppenents: 14
SEC total games vs. Top 10 oppenents: 44

Reerun_KC

11-11-2012, 09:18 AM

Next year Bama's loss is irrelavent.

An 8 team tourney would dilute the season. Be careful what you wish for.spending too much time on the oxygen mask lately?

stevenidol

11-11-2012, 09:20 AM

Why do any of those teams deserve a chance at playing for a title?

Because they play in different conferences with completely different schedules. Until the top tier teams actually play each other, you are deciding who is better based on speculation and then handing out a trophy. This is why college football championships are, and always will be, a farce.

notorious

11-11-2012, 09:34 AM

They won't. SEC will be 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, though.

Also, here's a little something from Sagarin:

B12 total games vs. Top 10 oppenents: 14
SEC total games vs. Top 10 oppenents: 44

Where oh where did I compare Big 12 to the SEC?

notorious

11-11-2012, 09:36 AM

They won't. SEC will be 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, though.

2-3 weeks left. Georgia can beat Bama and get into the top 3-4, or even higher.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 09:37 AM

Where oh where did I compare Big 12 to the SEC?

You didn't.

notorious

11-11-2012, 09:42 AM

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 10:05 AM

I just don't want games like Bama yesterday, KSUvs. AM back in 98', etc. to become irrelevant. The entire season is almost like a gigantic playoff in which every game counts.

4 team playoff allow the cream of the top conferences to make it in.

It wouldn't be irrelevant. It would have launched aTm back into the race. What you seem to want is a sport where half of the teams have nothing to play for after the first week, and 98% have nothing to play for by week 10.

By your logic, the season should have ended last year after Oklahoma State lost and left LSU as the last undefeated team.

notorious

11-11-2012, 10:10 AM

By your logic, the season should have ended last year after Oklahoma State lost and left LSU as the last undefeated team.

The entire season is almost like a gigantic playoff in which every game counts.

.

:facepalm:

Reaper16

11-11-2012, 10:21 AM

I'll stay out of the anti-SEC fervor, because that's about as silly a discussion as I've seen on this board.

But to notorious' anti-playoffs stance, I want to lament what the national championship has done to college football. This single-minded obsession with winning the national title has perverted everything else. Nobody cares about conference titles, and that is a shame to me. Take for instance the mood in Tuscaloosa. The town feels post-apocalyptic this morning because Alabama basically can't win their 3rd national title in four years. Well boo fucking hoo, Bama fans. The Crimson Tide still has an SEC championship to play for. That ought to mean something.

ROYC75

11-11-2012, 10:27 AM

TheGuardian

11-11-2012, 10:29 AM

People are going to be pissed here when an SEC team gets into the BCSNC game while some undefeated team is sitting at home. Like Oregon, K-State, or ND.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 10:31 AM

People are going to be pissed here when an SEC team gets into the BCSNC game while some undefeated team is sitting at home. Like Oregon, K-State, or ND.

What do you want to bet on it?

TheGuardian

11-11-2012, 10:32 AM

What do you want to bet on it?

eleventy billion dollars.

I just got back from Vegas and bet zero dollars on anything. Feel free to book mark my post and feed me all that delish crow if you wish.

Reaper16

11-11-2012, 10:33 AM

People are going to be pissed here when an SEC team gets into the BCSNC game while some undefeated team is sitting at home. Like Oregon, K-State, or ND.

1-loss Bama or Georgia could (and probably should) get in over an undefeated Notre Dame. But they won't get in over an undefeated K-State or Oregon. Nor should they.

ROYC75

11-11-2012, 10:33 AM

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 10:38 AM

eleventy billion dollars.

I just got back from Vegas and bet zero dollars on anything. Feel free to book mark my post and feed me all that delish crow if you wish.

Oh, wow. Your bravery extends all the way up to the point where you actually risk something.

Pablo

11-11-2012, 10:46 AM

Oh, wow. Your bravery extends all the way up to the point where you actually risk something.LMAO

TheGuardian

11-11-2012, 10:49 AM

Oh, wow. Your bravery extends all the way up to the point where you actually risk something.

It's a message board. What are we really risking? You wanna meet in the street for some roshambo action to the loser?

Pablo

11-11-2012, 10:53 AM

It's a message board. What are we really risking? You wanna meet in the street for some roshambo action to the loser?Well; paypal exists for people who don't mind putting their money where their mouth is.

Plenty of t-shirt bets and money/beer bets have went through on CP. It's not like it's an impossible proposition.

MahiMike

11-11-2012, 10:54 AM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

You have a grammatical error. The '?'.

TEX

11-11-2012, 10:56 AM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

History would certainly suggest so. Do you really dispute that? Maybe not this year as much as in years past. But if I were betting over time, I'd certainly bet on the SEC.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 11:02 AM

It's a message board. What are we really risking? You wanna meet in the street for some roshambo action to the loser?

Want a sig bet? Avatar bet?

notorious

11-11-2012, 11:03 AM

People are going to be pissed here when an SEC team gets into the BCSNC game while some undefeated team is sitting at home. Like Oregon, K-State, or ND.

LMAO

How is a SEC team going to make up for a full point in the BCS standings?

1. Alabama 9-1 1 .9957
2. Kansas St. 10-0 .9318
3. Oregon 10-0 .9166
4. Notre Dame 10-0 .9050
5. Georgia 9-1 .8171

SCTrojan

11-11-2012, 11:04 AM

Georgia, for one, has played a monster schedule and lost only one game. They would easily be undefeated if they had played Oregon's schedule. One off week versus a bunch of great wins over top teams isn't worse than beating up a bunch of rummies.

They got beat 35-7 at South Carolina. Not what I would call an off week. They have played Florida, but I disagree that they have played a monster schedule.

I hate Notre Dame with every fiber of my being, but I have to admit they could put their schedule up against anyone else and have it judged as tougher.

notorious

11-11-2012, 11:06 AM

I think the SEC teams are fantastic, and in a 4 team playoff the proper teams that earn it would get their shot at a Title.

stevenidol

11-11-2012, 12:06 PM

I think the SEC teams are fantastic, and in a 4 team playoff the proper teams that earn it would get their shot at a Title.

It devalues the title of champion if the best team from the best conference doesn't have a chance to play for it.

Rausch

11-11-2012, 12:09 PM

It devalues the title of champion if the best team from the best conference doesn't have a chance to play for it.

The college game has shifted towards the pro game.

Win, score pts, look good.

If you do you're in the running...

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 12:32 PM

1-loss Bama or Georgia could (and probably should) get in over an undefeated Notre Dame. But they won't get in over an undefeated K-State or Oregon. Nor should they.

Why? Notre Dame's schedule is stronger than both Oregon's and K-State's and by seasons end will rate stronger than Alabama's. If you want to look at like opponents, compare K-State's game vs. OU against the Irish's. If all three end up undefeated, Notre Dame will have just as strong of an argument as either of the other two.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 12:41 PM

Why? Notre Dame's schedule is stronger than both Oregon's and K-State's and by seasons end will rate stronger than Alabama's. If you want to look at like opponents, compare K-State's game vs. OU against the Irish's. If all three end up undefeated, Notre Dame will have just as strong of an argument as either of the other two.

Who do you think Notre Dame is going to play that will be better than what Alabama will see in the conference championship game?

Go through the schedule. For every team ND has played, Bama has played a better team.

notorious

11-11-2012, 01:21 PM

Georgia, for one, has played a monster schedule and lost only one game. They would easily be undefeated if they had played Oregon's schedule. One off week versus a bunch of great wins over top teams isn't worse than beating up a bunch of rummies.

This post is going to be great when Georgia moves into the top 4. LMAO

They won't.

;)
1 Oregon (44) 10-0 1460 2
2 Kansas State (14) 10-0 1427 3
3 Notre Dame (1) 10-0 1346 4
4 Georgia 9-1 1260 5
5 Alabama 9-1 1243 1
6 Florida State 9-1 1143 6
7 Florida 9-1 1079 7
8 LSU 8-2 1040 9
9 Clemson 9-1 1033 8
10 Texas A&M 8-2 967 14
11 South Carolina 8-2 903 11
12 Oklahoma 7-2 799 13
13 Stanford 8-2 793 15
14 Nebraska 8-2 653 16
15 Texas 8-2 615 17
16 UCLA 8-2 494 19
17 Oregon State 7-2 490 12
18 Louisville 9-1 442 10
19 Louisiana Tech 9-1 413 18
20 Rutgers 8-1 354 20
21 USC 7-3 343 22
22 Boise State 8-2 161 24
23 Michigan 7-3 144 NR
24 Oklahoma State 6-3 111 NR
25 Texas Tech 7-3 106 NR

SCTrojan

11-11-2012, 01:33 PM

Who do you think Notre Dame is going to play that will be better than what Alabama will see in the conference championship game?

Go through the schedule. For every team ND has played, Bama has played a better team.

So far -

Alabama Notre Dame

Michigan Navy
Western Kentucky Purdue
@Arkansas @Michigan State
Florida Atlantic Michigan
Ole Miss Miami
@Missouri Stanford
@Tennessee BYU
Mississippi State @Oklahoma
@LSU Pittsburgh
Texas A&M @Boston College

I'd say that the toughest game for Bama was at LSU. The toughest game for Notre Dame was at Oklahoma. In my mind a wash, but I'll give the edge to Bama for discussion purposes.

If you look at the rest, I don't think you can say with any definitiveness that, game for game, every one of Bama's matchups were tougher than what Notre Dame has faced.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 01:34 PM

;)
1 Oregon (44) 10-0 1460 2
2 Kansas State (14) 10-0 1427 3
3 Notre Dame (1) 10-0 1346 4
4 Georgia 9-1 1260 5
5 Alabama 9-1 1243 1
6 Florida State 9-1 1143 6
7 Florida 9-1 1079 7
8 LSU 8-2 1040 9
9 Clemson 9-1 1033 8
10 Texas A&M 8-2 967 14
11 South Carolina 8-2 903 11
12 Oklahoma 7-2 799 13
13 Stanford 8-2 793 15
14 Nebraska 8-2 653 16
15 Texas 8-2 615 17
16 UCLA 8-2 494 19
17 Oregon State 7-2 490 12
18 Louisville 9-1 442 10
19 Louisiana Tech 9-1 413 18
20 Rutgers 8-1 354 20
21 USC 7-3 343 22
22 Boise State 8-2 161 24
23 Michigan 7-3 144 NR
24 Oklahoma State 6-3 111 NR
25 Texas Tech 7-3 106 NR

Interesting.

SEC teams have 6 of the top 11 spots, but they aren't head and shoulders above the other conferences who have 1, (Big 12), 1 (Pac 12), 2 (ACC).

notorious

11-11-2012, 01:41 PM

Who is arguing with you?

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 02:06 PM

Who is arguing with you?

This thread was made for the sole purpose of saying that the SEC isn't the dominant conference.

notorious

11-11-2012, 02:10 PM

This thread was made for the sole purpose of saying that the SEC isn't the dominant conference.

LOL, I get them mixed up so often. All of the threads end in a pissing match.

Anyone who thinks the SEC isn't the best needs to swallow a 12 gauge shotgun barrel.

stevenidol

11-11-2012, 02:46 PM

LOL, I get them mixed up so often. All of the threads end in a pissing match.

Anyone who thinks the SEC isn't the best needs to swallow a 12 gauge shotgun barrel.

:clap:

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 03:05 PM

Lex Luthor

11-11-2012, 03:10 PM

Why? Notre Dame's schedule is stronger than both Oregon's and K-State's and by seasons end will rate stronger than Alabama's. If you want to look at like opponents, compare K-State's game vs. OU against the Irish's. If all three end up undefeated, Notre Dame will have just as strong of an argument as either of the other two.
Well, except for the fact that Notre Dame essentially had two ties this year at home. They won both games in overtime, and nobody can argue that Stanford and Pitt are tough teams. Obviously a win is a win, but if you're going to talk strength of schedule, you should also talk quality of wins.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 03:39 PM

:spock:

LSU > Oklahoma

aTm > Stanford

Michigan = Michigan (Bama won by 27, ND won by 7)

Mississippi St. > Michigan St.
-------------------------
Not yet played

SEC East Champ > USC

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 03:55 PM

LSU > Oklahoma

aTm > Stanford

Michigan = Michigan (Bama won by 27, ND won by 7)

Mississippi St. > Michigan St.
-------------------------
Not yet played

SEC East Champ > USC

Mississippi St. = most overrated team in country (how we're they ever ranked)

Oklahoma = have lost to the number 1 and 3 teams in the country.

Georgia? = are they really any good? They have played a total of 2 ranked teams and got blown out by South Carolina.

The SEC bias of voters really scews the polls. If Notre Dame, K-State, or Oregon had lost 35 - 7 to South Carolina, they wouldn't even be thought of as a top 5 hell maybe even a top 10 team.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 04:41 PM

Oklahoma = have lost to the number 1 and 3 teams in the country.

Georgia? = are they really any good? They have played a total of 2 ranked teams and got blown out by South Carolina.

Oklahoma gets credit because they lost to the number 1 and 3 teams even though their best win (and only win against a ranked opponent) was against the #17 team in the country.

Georgia might not be any good despite their only loss being to the #8 team and having beat the #6 team.

Mississippi State shouldn't have been ranked when they were 7-0 because they have since lost three games to three top 10 teams.

It's amazing how people have to contort things in order to make their conferences look like they are in the same universe as the SEC.

MatriculatingHank

11-11-2012, 05:29 PM

Talk all you want... Latest rankings
5 SEC teams in the top 10.
6 in the top 12

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 05:34 PM

5 SEC teams in the top 10.

All other conferences combined: 4

BigMeatballDave

11-11-2012, 05:37 PM

SEC teams in the top 3: a big fat ZERO

LOL

Bowser

11-11-2012, 05:41 PM

SEC teams in the top 3: a big fat ZERO

LOL

trollolololol

notorious

11-11-2012, 05:43 PM

LMAO

KC_Connection

11-11-2012, 05:44 PM

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

Alabama is still #1 statistically with the toughest schedule of the elite teams. Not surprising.

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 06:30 PM

Oklahoma gets credit because they lost to the number 1 and 3 teams even though their best win (and only win against a ranked opponent) was against the #17 team in the country.

Georgia might not be any good despite their only loss being to the #8 team and having beat the #6 team.

Mississippi State shouldn't have been ranked when they were 7-0 because they have since lost three games to three top 10 teams.

It's amazing how people have to contort things in order to make their conferences look like they are in the same universe as the SEC.

Miss. St. should never have been ranked as high as they were. They had played exactly zero teams of any significance. They have since been blown out in three consecutive games. I know they were all against ranked opponents, but they weren't competitive in any of the three games. They were a fraud.

How high do you think Oregon, K-State, or Notre Dame would be ranked in the BCS if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record and on top of that only had one win against a ranked opponent? I guarantee it would be nowhere near the top five.

This has never been an argument about what the best conference in college football is. I agree it is the SEC, but the SEC is not "head and shoulders" above every other conference or as you say "in another universe." SEC teams get consistently ranked higher than their résumés suggest because they are members of the SEC. Anyone with a working set of eyeballs can see that the play in the SEC is down this year compared to previous years.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-11-2012, 06:41 PM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

Uh, yes.

Bewbies

11-11-2012, 06:42 PM

This has never been an argument about what the best conference in college football is. I agree it is the SEC, but the SEC is not "head and shoulders" above every other conference or as you say "in another universe." SEC teams get consistently ranked higher than their résumés suggest because they are members of the SEC. Anyone with a working set of eyeballs can see that the play in the SEC is down this year compared to previous years.

They are so far above everyone else it isn't funny. Trying to say otherwise is retarded.

Look at the top 12 teams in the BCS. Note all the Big 12, B1G, ACC and PAC teams there. They have less teams in there combined than the SEC does...

We all know if ND, Oregon, or KSU were in the SEC they'd still be undefeated....

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 06:48 PM

Miss. St. should never have been ranked as high as they were. They had played exactly zero teams of any significance. They have since been blown out in three consecutive games. I know they were all against ranked opponents, but they weren't competitive in any of the three games. They were a fraud.

How high do you think Oregon, K-State, or Notre Dame would be ranked in the BCS if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record and on top of that only had one win against a ranked opponent? I guarantee it would be nowhere near the top five.

This has never been an argument about what the best conference in college football is. I agree it is the SEC, but the SEC is not "head and shoulders" above every other conference or as you say "in another universe." SEC teams get consistently ranked higher than their résumés suggest because they are members of the SEC. Anyone with a working set of eyeballs can see that the play in the SEC is down this year compared to previous years.

What is the second best conference?

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 07:08 PM

They are so far above everyone else it isn't funny. Trying to say otherwise is retarded.

Look at the top 12 teams in the BCS. Note all the Big 12, B1G, ACC and PAC teams there. They have less teams in there combined than the SEC does...

We all know if ND, Oregon, or KSU were in the SEC they'd still be undefeated....

I've already covered the consistent over ranking of SEC teams.

If they played Alabama or Georgia's schedule they would play less ranked teams then they play now. And why would they have to be undefeated? That would make them clearly better than any other team in the SEC, since there aren't any undefeated teams in the SEC.

Tell me how highly ranked you think Notre Dame, Oregon, or K-State would be if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record?

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 07:10 PM

What is the second best conference?

Probably a toss up between the Pac12 and the Big12. I graduated from Notre Dame so all this conference talk is confusing to me. :p

Bewbies

11-11-2012, 07:40 PM

I've already covered the consistent over ranking of SEC teams.

If they played Alabama or Georgia's schedule they would play less ranked teams then they play now. And why would they have to be undefeated? That would make them clearly better than any other team in the SEC, since there aren't any undefeated teams in the SEC.

Tell me how highly ranked you think Notre Dame, Oregon, or K-State would be if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record?

To the current #5 team at their house? Not much.

UGA, should they win out will have 2 wins against top 5 teams, both on neutral sites. Bama will have 2 as well, one on the road and one neutral.

Any of those top 3 teams have even one win against anyone in the top 5?

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 07:42 PM

I've already covered the consistent over ranking of SEC teams.

If they played Alabama or Georgia's schedule they would play less ranked teams then they play now. And why would they have to be undefeated? That would make them clearly better than any other team in the SEC, since there aren't any undefeated teams in the SEC.

Tell me how highly ranked you think Notre Dame, Oregon, or K-State would be if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record?

If there's one team that is consistently over-rated, it's Notre Dame. They have the bowl record to prove it.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 07:48 PM

Probably a toss up between the Pac12 and the Big 12.

SEC
#4, #5, #7, #8, 9, #12

Big 12
#2, #13, #18, #24

PAC 12
#1, #14, #15, #21

The sixth best team in the SEC is better than the second best team in either of those conferences.

SCTrojan

11-11-2012, 09:09 PM

SEC
#4, #5, #7, #8, 9, #12

Big 12
#2, #13, #18, #24

PAC 12
#1, #14, #15, #21

The sixth best team in the SEC is better than the second best team in either of those conferences.

Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.

Bewbies

11-11-2012, 09:36 PM

I think SEC is the best, probably followed by the PAC. Big 12 is next, then someone south of butthole is the ACC and the Big East. After that you have your midmajors, and then the I-AA conferences, followed by the Big 10.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.

Well, yeah. That's how it works. One team does not a conference make...unless its Texas.

Valiant

11-11-2012, 09:59 PM

Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.

What is the logic of h2h for SEC teams against others in regular season and bowls..

I mean great, another conference can claim bcs championship away from the SEC finally, maybe by not even playing them if it comes Oregon and KSU.. But to say they are not the best conference hands down is retarded..

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 10:02 PM

The SEC teams are always overrated, and Notre Dame isn't. That's why Notre Dame does so well in bowl games and SEC teams get exposed.

LoneWolf

11-11-2012, 10:16 PM

The SEC teams are always overrated, and Notre Dame isn't. That's why Notre Dame does so well in bowl games and SEC teams get exposed.

I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.

Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past. My arguments have been about this season.

SCTrojan

11-11-2012, 10:16 PM

What is the logic of h2h for SEC teams against others in regular season and bowls..

I mean great, another conference can claim bcs championship away from the SEC finally, maybe by not even playing them if it comes Oregon and KSU.. But to say they are not the best conference hands down is retarded..

I've not argued that any conference is better than another. To me, it is an irrelevant discussion when the object is to determine the best team.

Some, however, use the "SEC is the best conference" discussion as the basis for making a case that teams within that conference are playing superior schedules than teams outside. I don't happen to agree.

tk13

11-11-2012, 10:23 PM

I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.

Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past. My arguments have been about this season.

I don't think this is the SEC's strongest year... but it's like everyone's ignoring the fact that other conferences are down too.

If you look at the Big 12, the 3rd best team lost to the 2nd best team by a zillion points. They were absolutely slaughtered and dominated in all aspects of the game. Wasn't even close. They were lucky to beat Kansas, who is horrible. The 4th best team played one tough out of conference game and got slaughtered by a team who has a losing record in the Pac 12. Then you go down the the line and teams like West Virginia, Tech and Baylor are not that good, and downright horrible defensively.

I just have a hard time believing Georgia, South Carolina, LSU, Florida aren't better than all those teams. And to be honest, I'm not sure Mississippi State and Vandy wouldn't give Texas a game. When you are as terrible at defense as these teams usually you end up with close games.

Saul Good

11-11-2012, 10:27 PM

I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.

You've argued that Notre Dame wouldn't be ranked as high as Alabama if they had a loss and had played Bama's schedule. History tells us that Notre Dame gets ranked above what they deserve and SEC teams, if anything, are ranked below what they deserve.

If a team is ranked correctly, they should have bowl records around .500. The SEC consistently outperforms in the postseason.

Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past.

You couldn't prove my point more if you tried. The SEC is head and shoulders above other conferences because THIS is what a "down year in the SEC" looks like (MSPaint FTW):

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/SECDownYear.jpg

Woodchuck

11-12-2012, 07:32 AM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

Yes, and you are an idiot for even asking. 3-4 SEC teams could easily beat Kansas St., Oregon, or Notre Dame imo.

DaKCMan AP

11-12-2012, 07:37 AM

Woodchuck

11-12-2012, 07:42 AM

This is where it gets interesting.

Say ONE of either K-State, Oregon, or ND drops a game. Alabama would move up to #3 and Georgia would be #4. Then if #3 Alabama beats #4 Georgia in the SECCG, would it be enough for them to jump to the #2 spot?

:hmmm:

Nah, two of those teams gotta get a loss for that to happen imo.... The good thing is that the playoff system will resolve this type of issue.

Saul Good

11-12-2012, 10:07 AM

This is where it gets interesting.

Say ONE of either K-State, Oregon, or ND drops a game. Alabama would move up to #3 and Georgia would be #4. Then if #3 Alabama beats #4 Georgia in the SECCG, would it be enough for them to jump to the #2 spot?

:hmmm:

No. I suppose it's possible if Notre Dame is one of the unbeatens and they barely squeak out another game or two. Even that would be a stretch, though.

DaKCMan AP

11-12-2012, 10:46 AM

No. I suppose it's possible if Notre Dame is one of the unbeatens and they barely squeak out another game or two. Even that would be a stretch, though.

Yeah, looking at the rankings closer I don't think it's possible.

Oregon is #1 in the human polls and #4 in computers.
Notre Dame is #3 in the human polls and #1 in computers.
K-State is #2 in both the human polls and the computers.
Alabama is #4/#5 in the human polls and #5 in the computers.

It *could* have been a possibility if the #3 team in the human polls was also #4 in the computers.

Saul Good

11-12-2012, 11:01 AM

Yeah, looking at the rankings closer I don't think it's possible.

Oregon is #1 in the human polls and #4 in computers.
Notre Dame is #3 in the human polls and #1 in computers.
K-State is #2 in both the human polls and the computers.
Alabama is #4/#5 in the human polls and #5 in the computers.

It *could* have been a possibility if the #3 team in the human polls was also #4 in the computers.

Because computers don't take into account margin of victory Notre Dame is protected.

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-12-2012, 11:02 AM

I hope the Irish win it all.

vailpass

11-12-2012, 11:26 AM

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?

Absolutely.

Pasta Little Brioni

11-12-2012, 12:29 PM

I hope the Irish win it all.

:Lin:

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-12-2012, 12:40 PM

Sir, you have your opinion, and I have mine.

Saul Good

11-18-2012, 08:49 AM

Heh

Trevo_410

11-18-2012, 09:38 AM

big12 > SEC :deevee:

TheGuardian

11-18-2012, 09:48 AM

big12 > SEC :deevee:

I hope my sarcasm meter is just broken......

BlackHelicopters

11-18-2012, 09:56 AM

I hope my sarcasm meter is just broken......

It is.

TheGuardian

11-18-2012, 07:41 PM

Blackout_KC

11-18-2012, 07:44 PM

Top 12 of the newest top 25.....

1) Notre Dame
2) Alabama
3) Georgia
4) Florida
5) Oregon
6) Kansas State
7) LSU
8) Stanford
9) Texas A&M
10) Florida State
11) Clemson
12) South Carolina

Can someone tell me how many SEC teams are in there? You know, since the SEC is having a down year and sucks?

looks like thats the nail in the coffin for kstate. even if ND loses bama and oregon get in unless oregon and/or bama drop another.

DaKCMan AP

11-18-2012, 07:45 PM

looks like thats the nail in the coffin for kstate. even if ND loses bama and oregon get in unless oregon and/or bama drop another.

If ND loses, Bama & Florida get in (if they beat Florida State) - not Oregon.

TheGuardian

11-18-2012, 07:46 PM

looks like thats the nail in the coffin for kstate. even if ND loses bama and oregon get in unless oregon and/or bama drop another.

Really sucks for LSU. Had we held on to that win against Bama we're #2 right now and in control of our own destiny.

ClevelandBronco

11-18-2012, 07:56 PM

Top 12 of the newest top 25.....

1) Notre Dame
2) Alabama...

Man, I hope that ND plays for the national championship. I'd really enjoy watching Alabama expose them utterly.

Saulbadguy

11-18-2012, 07:59 PM

Really sucks for LSU. Had we held on to that win against Bama we're #2 right now and in control of our own destiny.

"We?"

As a t-shirt fan, you have no right to say "we"

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-18-2012, 08:03 PM

Man, I hope that ND plays for the national championship. I'd really enjoy watching Alabama expose them utterly.
Nope. The Irish got this bitch, and the south shall NOT rise again...

Setsuna

11-18-2012, 08:13 PM

Nope. The Irish got this bitch, and the south shall NOT rise again...

For all your smart posts, this is the dumbest one you've ever written.

LoneWolf

11-18-2012, 08:22 PM

Can someone explain to me how Georgia, a team with a 28 point loss on their record and one win against a ranked opponent, is ranked number 3 in the country? I know they play in the almighty SEC where your lucky to get out of the stadium with your life, but really?!

For all the ND hate on this board, if ND had the exact same credentials and was ranked anywhere near the top 5 this board would have a meltdown.

TheGuardian

11-18-2012, 08:23 PM

"We?"

As a t-shirt fan, you have no right to say "we"

I'm from Louisiana, dumb shit.

Saulbadguy

11-18-2012, 08:25 PM

I'm from Louisiana, dumb shit.

Well, that certainly explains it.

ohiobronco2

11-18-2012, 08:35 PM

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-18-2012, 08:38 PM

For all your smart posts, this is the dumbest one you've ever written.

How so? The Irish shall rape.

LoneWolf

11-18-2012, 08:47 PM

Teh Sec!!11111!!!!!111111!111!!111111!!!!!

Thanks for clearing that up.

Bewbies

11-18-2012, 08:59 PM

LoneWolf

11-18-2012, 09:02 PM

Your butthurt it stings.

I'm a Notre Dame alum. Am I butthurt by my team being ranked number one in the BCS? I was simply looking for an explanation for Georgia's ranking that makes sense. You obviously have nothing intelligent to say about the subject so just STFU.

Bewbies

11-18-2012, 09:09 PM

I'm a Notre Dame alum. Am I butthurt by my team being ranked number one in the BCS? I was simply looking for an explanation for Georgia's ranking that makes sense. You obviously have nothing intelligent to say about the subject so just STFU.

Georgia would curbstomp the Irish. Alabama will treat them even worse. Can't wait to see which squad gets to pull trains on the innocent little alter boys from South Bend.

Bitch all you want, the SEC is that good.

LoneWolf

11-18-2012, 09:27 PM

Georgia would curbstomp the Irish. Alabama will treat them even worse. Can't wait to see which squad gets to pull trains on the innocent little alter boys from South Bend.

Bitch all you want, the SEC is that good.

Again, what has Georgia done this season for you to think they will "curb stomp" the Irish? I understand that you hate Notre Dame, but I'm actually looking for someone to make a good argument justifying Georgia's ranking.

Notre Dame has the number one scoring defense in college football. They could very well lose to any of the SEC top teams, but they aren't getting "curb stomped" by anybody.

Bewbies

11-18-2012, 09:45 PM

Again, what has Georgia done this season for you to think they will "curb stomp" the Irish? I understand that you hate Notre Dame, but I'm actually looking for someone to make a good argument justifying Georgia's ranking.

Notre Dame has the number one scoring defense in college football. They could very well lose to any of the SEC top teams, but they aren't getting "curb stomped" by anybody.

How's their offense? Think they'll move the ball against a defense as good as their own? Think those overrated SEC teams have seen a defense or 3 as good as the Irish?

ND is going to do what they always do when they make the BCS....I think your D is up to it, but your offense is nowhere near.

As for UGA they started the season in the top 10, only lost one game, and should they beat Bama they'd have 2 neutral site wins over current top 4 BCS teams. Pathetic I know. Maybe ranking them 18 or so would be about right...

DaKCMan AP

11-19-2012, 04:28 AM

I'm a Notre Dame alum. Am I butthurt by my team being ranked number one in the BCS? I was simply looking for an explanation for Georgia's ranking that makes sense. You obviously have nothing intelligent to say about the subject so just STFU.

Again, what has Georgia done this season for you to think they will "curb stomp" the Irish? I understand that you hate Notre Dame, but I'm actually looking for someone to make a good argument justifying Georgia's ranking.

Notre Dame has the number one scoring defense in college football. They could very well lose to any of the SEC top teams, but they aren't getting "curb stomped" by anybody.

Why don't you first tell us who should be ranked #3?

LoneWolf

11-19-2012, 06:14 AM

Why don't you first tell us who should be ranked #3?

In my mind it should still be Oregon. Oregon hasn't played the toughest schedule, but neither has Georgia and Oregon's only loss was a heartbreaker in overtime vs. a very good Stanford team.

If Florida State wins this weekend, I think they should get some consideration for #3.

DaKCMan AP

11-19-2012, 06:17 AM

In my mind it should still be Oregon. Oregon hasn't played the toughest schedule, but neither has Georgia and Oregon's only loss was a heartbreaker in overtime vs. a very good Stanford team.

If Florida State wins this weekend, I think they should get some consideration for #3.

So Florida State, who has played a weaker schedule than Georgia and lost to an unranked team, should get consideration for beating the same team that Georgia beat?

Also, you can look at Oregon's loss as better than Georgia's loss, but Georgia's win is much better than Oregon's best win which was over a then ranked #17 USC who now has 4 losses.

LoneWolf

11-19-2012, 06:21 AM

How's their offense? Think they'll move the ball against a defense as good as their own? Think those overrated SEC teams have seen a defense or 3 as good as the Irish?

ND is going to do what they always do when they make the BCS....I think your D is up to it, but your offense is nowhere near.

As for UGA they started the season in the top 10, only lost one game, and should they beat Bama they'd have 2 neutral site wins over current top 4 BCS teams. Pathetic I know. Maybe ranking them 18 or so would be about right...

Your last paragraph assumes Georgia beats Alabama. If they do that, then they will have an argument. As their credentials stand now, they don't.

ND's offense has been improving lately and their redshirt Freshman QB has been playing well.

Alabama's defense is on the same level as the Irish's, but Georgia's is nowhere near that level. They have a great pass rusher, but they surrender a large amount of points too often to be considered elite. If they play ND, the Irish will score points. Maybe not enough to win, but it would be a close game.

LoneWolf

11-19-2012, 06:23 AM

So Florida State, who has played a weaker schedule than Georgia and lost to an unranked team, should get consideration for beating the same team that Georgia beat?

Also, you can look at Oregon's loss as better than Georgia's loss, but Georgia's win is much better than Oregon's best win which was over a then ranked #17 USC who now has 4 losses.

A 28 point loss is almost unheard of for an elite team. ND's schedule has been tougher than Georgia's and tell me where would they be ranked if they had a 28 point loss on their record. And for arguments sake let's say that loss was against Stanford.

DaKCMan AP

11-19-2012, 06:42 AM

A 28 point loss is almost unheard of for an elite team. ND's schedule has been tougher than Georgia's and tell me where would they be ranked if they had a 28 point loss on their record. And for arguments sake let's say that loss was against Stanford.

1. A 28pt loss to South Carolina (who has been top-15 all season and was #6 at the time) is not as bad as losing at home to a terrible NC State team.

2. Your arguing stupid things that don't matter. If Georgia loses to Alabama they're out. If Georgia beats Alabama then their resume is better than any other 1-loss team.

LoneWolf

11-19-2012, 07:57 AM

1. A 28pt loss to South Carolina (who has been top-15 all season and was #6 at the time) is not as bad as losing at home to a terrible NC State team.

False. When you lose by 28 points to any team it is hard to argue that you are an elite team.
2. Your arguing stupid things that don't matter. If Georgia loses to Alabama they're out. If Georgia beats Alabama then their resume is better than any other 1-loss team.

I already said their resume would be improved. I was asking about their current ranking.

Please answer my question about where you think Notre Dame would be ranked if they had a 28 point loss on their resume.

Setsuna

11-19-2012, 08:08 AM

How so? The Irish shall rape.

In what capacity? What do they have that's better than the top ranked SEC team? Besides their helmets. I'll wait.

DaKCMan AP

11-19-2012, 08:17 AM

I already said their resume would be improved. I was asking about their current ranking.

Please answer my question about where you think Notre Dame would be ranked if they had a 28 point loss on their resume.

It depends upon where the loss occurred. If it was to an unranked team they'd be down Florida St & Clemson around #10. If it was to a top-10 opponent they'd probably be ahead of K-State at #6.