Landry Jones > Geno Smith

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

It's true.

[BigMeatballDave]

Scott, is that you?

[CaliforniaChief]

LMAO

[BlackHelicopters]

Whatever Jemele Hill says is fine with me.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

:popcorn:

[Reerun_KC]

And stupid has shown up this morning. Jones is laughable. Just ask an.OU fan.

[TribalElder]

LOL

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[rabblerouser]

I can totally see Pholey trading down and grabbing Jones...

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[Frazod]

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[notorious]

And stupid has shown up this morning. Jones is laughable. Just ask an.OU fan.

It HAS to be sarcasm.

[BlackHelicopters]

Jones has a nice porn stache

[notorious]

Jones has a nice porn stache

It will suit him well since he will fuck whatever team drafts him on camera.

[keg in kc]

Is this another thread about hogstroking?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

You'll see !

Oh wait , we just did.

[Dunerdr]

Your a dumb mother****er im an Oklahoma resident. Landry= Cassle with college reps plenty of starts still makes freshman mistakes Genos no RGIII but hes still in a whole other league from Landry.osuOSU's Chelf is as good as Landry and hes a backup.

[okcchief]

Pioli staying and trading down to draft Jones would give me ample reason to tell this team to fuck off.

[BlackHelicopters]

Meth is a horrible drug

[CoMoChief]

Best QB in next draft will be Aaron Murray

[whoman69]

Jones has a nice porn stache

It will suit him well since he will **** whatever team drafts him on camera.

I see Cassel is trying to grow one as well.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Your a dumb mother****er im an oklahoma resident landry= cassle with college reps plenty of starts still makes freshman mistakes genos no rgIII but hes still in a whole other league from landry.osus chelf is as good as landry and hes a backup.

Please correct your spelling.

[Dunerdr]

Please correct your spelling.

Those are not spelling errors. That is a lack of punctuation and captilization. Now please continue to go choke on the large cock of your choice.

[NJChiefsFan]

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[Chiefs Pantalones]

It's true.

You's a dumb mother fucker won't you back that ass up!

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[1ChiefsDan]

It's true.

I see that in addition to drinking hog cum you smoke meth as well. Obviously not a good combination.

[MahiMike]

After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

[RealSNR]

It's bad to drink at breakfast, dude. Let your stomach get some food in it before you spend the day drunk.

[hometeam]

After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

Are you high? I'm serious. Are you Katt Williams Oakland cocaine binge high?

[RealSNR]

Are you high? I'm serious. Are you Katt Williams Oakland cocaine binge high?

No, not high. Just stupid. I'm pretty sure Hog Farmer is messing around, though.

[Rasputin]

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[KCUnited]

Proof you should never guzzle your own product.

[notorious]

Hog is just drawing out the people that don't have a clue about Landry Jones.

[MahiMike]

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

[notorious]

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

I have watched every game Landry Jones has played in his career. He is horrific, and his stats would show that if his WRs didn't gift him 5 yard curls for 60 yard TD's.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I agree with Mr. Mahi. Geno is going to be a big big bust.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Jones is taller

[Ace Gunner]

The Tale of the Tape: Landry Jones vs. Matt Barkley


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Everyone in the country knows that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is not only the No. 1 player at his position, but the No. 1 player in the entire country. But who’s No. 2 at quarterback?

There’s a competition playing out each week as USC’s Matt Barkley and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones trade punches to see who will have the honor of being the No. 2 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class. While that may sound like a green-ribbon consolation prize, the No. 2 quarterback could easily be drafted second overall when the April draft rolls around.

How do Barkley and Jones compare, and which player looks better? We’ll go to the film room and break down the game of each signal caller in this week’s Tale of the Tape.

*Special thanks to TMBDraft and DraftBreakdown for video footage



Grading Scale Requirements

All college players who are scouted during the regular season are graded on a fixed scale. Players must hit requirements before I write a scouting report—minimum three games viewed live or on film, at least a redshirt sophomore and they must be in my top 200 players. Each player is graded overall and per the traits that make up his position. For example, wide receivers are graded on hands, speed, route-running, size, etc.



The Grading Scale

Grade Draft Profile Description
10 No. 1 Overall Pick Elite, once-in-a-decade player
9.5-9.9 Top 5 Pick Exceptional, difference-maker early
9.0-9.4 Top 10 Pick Excellent, rookie starter
8.5-8.9 Top 25 Pick Special, rookie starter
8.0-8.4 Top 32 Pick First-rate, rookie starter/contributor
7.5-7.9 Top 50 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
7.0-7.4 Top 64 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
6.5-6.9 Top 75 Pick Good
6.0-6.4 Top 100 Pick Average
5.5-5.9 Top 125 Pick Average with issues
5.0-5.4 Top 175 Pick Average with issues
4.5-4.9 Top 250 Pick Borderline NFL talent
4.0-4.4 Undrafted FA Below average
3.5-3.9 Street Free Agent Marginal
3.0-3.4 Camp Body Marginal
2.5-2.9 AFL/UFL/CFL Inferior
2.4 < Reject Unworthy



Accuracy

Barkley: 8.9 | Jones: 9.3

One negative on the Matt Barkley scouting report has to be his accuracy. Playing in a pro system that allows him a receiver at every level on the majority of plays, Barkley has a career completion percentage of 61 percent—and that’s against Pac-12 defenses. Barkley is much better throwing short to intermediate routes. It is not an issue of arm strength, but a problem of deep accuracy. He does not have the same ability as other top quarterbacks to drop the ball into his receiver’s hands when pushing the ball up field.

The 2010 Oregon game saw Barkley avoid star cornerback Cliff Harris through much of the game, as Barkley had one completion charted to Harris’ man and threw a costly interception in another attempt at Harris. In the one matchup that would have featured Barkley versus a true NFL-caliber corner, USC backed down.

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis. One negative here: Jones has a tendency to throw too high when going to crossing routes over the middle. That will get receivers destroyed in the NFL.



Arm Strength

Barkley: 9.1 | Jones: 9.1

Both Barkley and Jones have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL, but neither will ever be confused with John Elway.

Barkley initially impressed me with excellent velocity and presence when throwing to the outside and underneath. If used in a West Coast or spread system, Barkley’s arm strength will be top-notch. One red flag I charted for Barkley was his arm strength throwing deep-center. Against Oregon last season, Barkley tried to challenge projected first-round pick Cliff Harris deep. As you see here, the ball didn’t get there and Harris easily ran under for the interception.

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Comparisons between Jones and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford should be immediately thrown out based on this criterion alone. Where Bradford had a weaker arm, somewhat due to injuries, Jones has a pro-caliber arm.

In viewing multiple games this week in preparation for the article, one concern I began to have was Jones’ confidence in the deep ball. He looks to the checkdown far too often and way too soon. Jones' inability to challenge the defense deep is a red flag on my scouting report. Whether by design or preference, he only throws deep when the receiver is running free. There’s nearly zero footage of him threading the needle into tight coverage. You can’t put that all on his receivers, either. Jones is simply afraid to take deep shots.

In this video, on a scoring drive, you will see four throws from Landry Jones. Three are checkdowns and one is to a wide open Ryan Broyles.

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Delivery/Release

Barkley: 9.2 | Jones: 9.5

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Barkley looks good throwing a football at first glance. After an in-depth scouting of four games (Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Minnesota), I have concerns.

Barkley tends to throw “down” at his receivers. He has a very high release point, which is great considering he’s only 6’2”, but the ball travels at a downward trajectory when he’s throwing underneath (see video). Another issue I have is that Barkley leaves his feet far too often when throwing the ball. This limits his follow through, which affects both arm strength and accuracy.

One knock on Jones is the time it takes him from receiving the snap to having the ball ready to throw. He’ll move the ball around too much once he catches the snap. This is a bad habit that NFL teams will break. Jones also gets in a rhythm of dropping the ball before he throws, which is a tell that NFL safeties will feed on. He has to be more consistent in keeping the ball up throughout his reads and progressions.



Field Vision

Barkley: 8.4 | Jones: 9.3

Barkley does a great job of taking the snap under center and making his reads while dropping in the pocket. You would be hard-pressed to find another college quarterback being asked to make the reads that USC puts on Barkley’s shoulders. The downside to that is Barkley throws a good number of interceptions. He’s been asked to read the field, but his decision-making is not always great.

The Oklahoma offense gets the ball out of Jones’ hand very fast, which doesn’t allow for much time to see the field or breakdown the defense. The read is quick, most likely a check to see where the cornerback is on his No. 1 read and then a check down to the back flaring out. Jones benefits from a spread offense built on the checkdown. At the snap, Jones takes one look downfield and will then look to a back or wide receiver hitting a zone route. This is great for Jones’ accuracy numbers and comparable to an NFL system that utilizes spread sets and checkdowns to the running backs. This makes Jones a great fit for the Colts, Chiefs or Seahawks.


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Injury

Barkley: 9.7 | Jones: 10

There were no injuries found in a background check on Jones. Barkley has been banged up a few times in his career, notably an ankle sprain in 2010 that caused him to miss one game. This is definitely not an injury that would limit him in the future, though high ankle sprains can be consistent problems. Barkley also suffered a bruised shoulder in 2009.



Play-action

Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

Barkley’s play-action skills are on par with NFL quarterbacks three to four years in to a system. He does an excellent job extending the ball away from his body to sell the fake, and is able to quickly adjust and locate receivers after the mesh. A favorite play for USC is to play-action off a stretch run fake to either the right or left, which allows Barkley to move slightly outside the pocket and fire away.

Oklahoma likes to run play-action and boot Jones to his left or right—something he does very well. The play-action fakes shown by Jones are NFL quality.

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Pocket Presence

Barkley: 8.5 | Jones: 9.6

Both players see a lot of shotgun sets, but in the four games I viewed for this article, I rarely saw Landry Jones under center—the only charted plays I have under center were on 3rd-and-1 or inside the red zone. Barkley ran a ton of under-center sets last season against Cal and Oregon. USC runs a pro-style offense, thanks to Lane Kiffin’s influence.

A red flag that jumps off the film at you is the amount of sacks Barkley takes. In 2010 he played behind a top 10 right tackle and a projected top 10 left tackle, but was still getting beaten up in the backfield.



Poise

Barkley: 9.3 | Jones: 9.7

Poise is one of those almost unscoutable qualities, like heart or work ethic. It’s even harder to grade when scouting two players who have rarely trailed in a college game.

Jones showed excellent poise and leadership in the Sooners' win over Florida State during the 2011 season. Facing a deficit, and a tough defense, Jones rose to the occasion and led his team. That’s what NFL scouts are looking for. Matt Ryan’s comeback win against Miami (FL) in 2007 generated the type of buzz among scouts that helped put Ryan on the map. The FSU game was equally as important for Jones.

Barkley, on the other hand, hasn’t seen a tough game in a hostile environment with NFL talent breathing down his neck since his freshman season at Ohio State. While that was a big game, it’s buried deep in the minds of scouts.
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Running Ability

Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 7.5

Barkley is an excellent athlete who is used in many ways by the USC offense. He’s not a Michael Vick-style athlete, but good enough that any team considering him for the next level will be comfortable with his ability to move around in and out of the pocket.

Jones does a nice job booting off play-action, something the Sooners did a lot of in 2010. Jones has the speed to pick up a first down outside the pocket. He’s not a shifty runner, just a long strider with good quickness. Might be worth adding an NFL comparison here.



Size

Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 9.9

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Much will be said about Barkley’s lack of height, and it is a concern. In the clip you will see Barkley read the defense pre-snap, take his drop and again read the defense. You can see here that he’s struggling to see over the linemen, and in trying to look downfield he doesn’t see the backside pressure coming from his right (throwing) side. Barkley has to be used in a moving pocket that will create natural passing lanes for him to see through.

Jones looks like a movie-star quarterback. He’s tall with broad shoulders and big hands. There’s nothing to question here.



Touch

Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

One of the most underrated traits a successful quarterback must have is touch. NFL quarterbacks must be able to throw a pass that is catchable. It doesn’t matter how hard you can throw a ball if the receiver can’t catch it.

Both Jones and Barkley have excellent touch when throwing short to intermediate routes. The ball is placed in an area where the receiver can easily grab it and continue running. As both are set up in offenses that rely on short passes and yards after catch, they have been taught well to deliver the ball with the correct amount of velocity.

I favor Jones here, as he shows better touch when throwing deep. That ability to drop the ball over the receiver’s shoulder while hugging the sideline is a thing of beauty.



Overall

Barkley: 8.2 | Jones: 9.0

A popular draft comparison to these two players is the quarterback-heavy class of 2011. If Jones and Barkley were in the 2011 class, I would have ranked them at No. 1 (Jones) and No. 5 (Barkley)—with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton between them.

The film never lies, and the players I saw when breaking down the film for this article were not on the level of what a top 10 pick should be. It’s absolutely possible that an NFL team will fall in love with one of these players and draft them higher, or that the need for quarterbacks will prevail over value. My recommendation would be that Landry Jones is drafted in the 10-15 range, while Matt Barkley is selected in the 25-32 area.

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[Saccopoo]

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

Ban?

[RawFoodPhil]

The topic starter is wrong on so many levels.... I live in OKC and have watched almost every game in this guys career. Landry Jones is average at best, and is the epitome of a Jekyll and Hyde QB. Yeah he would be an upgrade over Cassel, but we all know that isn't saying much...

[hometeam]

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

I know your trying to make a case for your guy. But saying stuff like that shows you really just.dont.know.

[Priest31kc]

Watch that game and tell me which QB had the better arm. I can throw as hard as Geno. Landry clearly has the stronger, more accurate arm.

I'm just not seeing what's so great about Geno. I do know that if we take him, it'll be Cassel starting for another 2 years while he comes up to speed. Barkley and even Jones could start sooner than Geno.

This whole post is just full of fail. As is this thread.

There's too many moronic Chiefs fans out there.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis

[MahiMike]

The Tale of the Tape: Landry Jones vs. Matt Barkley


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Everyone in the country knows that Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is not only the No. 1 player at his position, but the No. 1 player in the entire country. But who’s No. 2 at quarterback?

There’s a competition playing out each week as USC’s Matt Barkley and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones trade punches to see who will have the honor of being the No. 2 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class. While that may sound like a green-ribbon consolation prize, the No. 2 quarterback could easily be drafted second overall when the April draft rolls around.

How do Barkley and Jones compare, and which player looks better? We’ll go to the film room and break down the game of each signal caller in this week’s Tale of the Tape.

*Special thanks to TMBDraft and DraftBreakdown for video footage



Grading Scale Requirements

All college players who are scouted during the regular season are graded on a fixed scale. Players must hit requirements before I write a scouting report—minimum three games viewed live or on film, at least a redshirt sophomore and they must be in my top 200 players. Each player is graded overall and per the traits that make up his position. For example, wide receivers are graded on hands, speed, route-running, size, etc.



The Grading Scale

Grade Draft Profile Description
10 No. 1 Overall Pick Elite, once-in-a-decade player
9.5-9.9 Top 5 Pick Exceptional, difference-maker early
9.0-9.4 Top 10 Pick Excellent, rookie starter
8.5-8.9 Top 25 Pick Special, rookie starter
8.0-8.4 Top 32 Pick First-rate, rookie starter/contributor
7.5-7.9 Top 50 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
7.0-7.4 Top 64 Pick Very good, rookie starter/contributor
6.5-6.9 Top 75 Pick Good
6.0-6.4 Top 100 Pick Average
5.5-5.9 Top 125 Pick Average with issues
5.0-5.4 Top 175 Pick Average with issues
4.5-4.9 Top 250 Pick Borderline NFL talent
4.0-4.4 Undrafted FA Below average
3.5-3.9 Street Free Agent Marginal
3.0-3.4 Camp Body Marginal
2.5-2.9 AFL/UFL/CFL Inferior
2.4 < Reject Unworthy



Accuracy

Barkley: 8.9 | Jones: 9.3

One negative on the Matt Barkley scouting report has to be his accuracy. Playing in a pro system that allows him a receiver at every level on the majority of plays, Barkley has a career completion percentage of 61 percent—and that’s against Pac-12 defenses. Barkley is much better throwing short to intermediate routes. It is not an issue of arm strength, but a problem of deep accuracy. He does not have the same ability as other top quarterbacks to drop the ball into his receiver’s hands when pushing the ball up field.

The 2010 Oregon game saw Barkley avoid star cornerback Cliff Harris through much of the game, as Barkley had one completion charted to Harris’ man and threw a costly interception in another attempt at Harris. In the one matchup that would have featured Barkley versus a true NFL-caliber corner, USC backed down.

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis. One negative here: Jones has a tendency to throw too high when going to crossing routes over the middle. That will get receivers destroyed in the NFL.



Arm Strength

Barkley: 9.1 | Jones: 9.1

Both Barkley and Jones have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL, but neither will ever be confused with John Elway.

Barkley initially impressed me with excellent velocity and presence when throwing to the outside and underneath. If used in a West Coast or spread system, Barkley’s arm strength will be top-notch. One red flag I charted for Barkley was his arm strength throwing deep-center. Against Oregon last season, Barkley tried to challenge projected first-round pick Cliff Harris deep. As you see here, the ball didn’t get there and Harris easily ran under for the interception.

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Comparisons between Jones and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford should be immediately thrown out based on this criterion alone. Where Bradford had a weaker arm, somewhat due to injuries, Jones has a pro-caliber arm.

In viewing multiple games this week in preparation for the article, one concern I began to have was Jones’ confidence in the deep ball. He looks to the checkdown far too often and way too soon. Jones' inability to challenge the defense deep is a red flag on my scouting report. Whether by design or preference, he only throws deep when the receiver is running free. There’s nearly zero footage of him threading the needle into tight coverage. You can’t put that all on his receivers, either. Jones is simply afraid to take deep shots.

In this video, on a scoring drive, you will see four throws from Landry Jones. Three are checkdowns and one is to a wide open Ryan Broyles.

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Delivery/Release

Barkley: 9.2 | Jones: 9.5

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Barkley looks good throwing a football at first glance. After an in-depth scouting of four games (Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Minnesota), I have concerns.

Barkley tends to throw “down” at his receivers. He has a very high release point, which is great considering he’s only 6’2”, but the ball travels at a downward trajectory when he’s throwing underneath (see video). Another issue I have is that Barkley leaves his feet far too often when throwing the ball. This limits his follow through, which affects both arm strength and accuracy.

One knock on Jones is the time it takes him from receiving the snap to having the ball ready to throw. He’ll move the ball around too much once he catches the snap. This is a bad habit that NFL teams will break. Jones also gets in a rhythm of dropping the ball before he throws, which is a tell that NFL safeties will feed on. He has to be more consistent in keeping the ball up throughout his reads and progressions.



Field Vision

Barkley: 8.4 | Jones: 9.3

Barkley does a great job of taking the snap under center and making his reads while dropping in the pocket. You would be hard-pressed to find another college quarterback being asked to make the reads that USC puts on Barkley’s shoulders. The downside to that is Barkley throws a good number of interceptions. He’s been asked to read the field, but his decision-making is not always great.

The Oklahoma offense gets the ball out of Jones’ hand very fast, which doesn’t allow for much time to see the field or breakdown the defense. The read is quick, most likely a check to see where the cornerback is on his No. 1 read and then a check down to the back flaring out. Jones benefits from a spread offense built on the checkdown. At the snap, Jones takes one look downfield and will then look to a back or wide receiver hitting a zone route. This is great for Jones’ accuracy numbers and comparable to an NFL system that utilizes spread sets and checkdowns to the running backs. This makes Jones a great fit for the Colts, Chiefs or Seahawks.


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Injury

Barkley: 9.7 | Jones: 10

There were no injuries found in a background check on Jones. Barkley has been banged up a few times in his career, notably an ankle sprain in 2010 that caused him to miss one game. This is definitely not an injury that would limit him in the future, though high ankle sprains can be consistent problems. Barkley also suffered a bruised shoulder in 2009.



Play-action

Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

Barkley’s play-action skills are on par with NFL quarterbacks three to four years in to a system. He does an excellent job extending the ball away from his body to sell the fake, and is able to quickly adjust and locate receivers after the mesh. A favorite play for USC is to play-action off a stretch run fake to either the right or left, which allows Barkley to move slightly outside the pocket and fire away.

Oklahoma likes to run play-action and boot Jones to his left or right—something he does very well. The play-action fakes shown by Jones are NFL quality.

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Pocket Presence

Barkley: 8.5 | Jones: 9.6

Both players see a lot of shotgun sets, but in the four games I viewed for this article, I rarely saw Landry Jones under center—the only charted plays I have under center were on 3rd-and-1 or inside the red zone. Barkley ran a ton of under-center sets last season against Cal and Oregon. USC runs a pro-style offense, thanks to Lane Kiffin’s influence.

A red flag that jumps off the film at you is the amount of sacks Barkley takes. In 2010 he played behind a top 10 right tackle and a projected top 10 left tackle, but was still getting beaten up in the backfield.



Poise

Barkley: 9.3 | Jones: 9.7

Poise is one of those almost unscoutable qualities, like heart or work ethic. It’s even harder to grade when scouting two players who have rarely trailed in a college game.

Jones showed excellent poise and leadership in the Sooners' win over Florida State during the 2011 season. Facing a deficit, and a tough defense, Jones rose to the occasion and led his team. That’s what NFL scouts are looking for. Matt Ryan’s comeback win against Miami (FL) in 2007 generated the type of buzz among scouts that helped put Ryan on the map. The FSU game was equally as important for Jones.

Barkley, on the other hand, hasn’t seen a tough game in a hostile environment with NFL talent breathing down his neck since his freshman season at Ohio State. While that was a big game, it’s buried deep in the minds of scouts.
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Running Ability

Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 7.5

Barkley is an excellent athlete who is used in many ways by the USC offense. He’s not a Michael Vick-style athlete, but good enough that any team considering him for the next level will be comfortable with his ability to move around in and out of the pocket.

Jones does a nice job booting off play-action, something the Sooners did a lot of in 2010. Jones has the speed to pick up a first down outside the pocket. He’s not a shifty runner, just a long strider with good quickness. Might be worth adding an NFL comparison here.



Size

Barkley: 8.0 | Jones: 9.9

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Much will be said about Barkley’s lack of height, and it is a concern. In the clip you will see Barkley read the defense pre-snap, take his drop and again read the defense. You can see here that he’s struggling to see over the linemen, and in trying to look downfield he doesn’t see the backside pressure coming from his right (throwing) side. Barkley has to be used in a moving pocket that will create natural passing lanes for him to see through.

Jones looks like a movie-star quarterback. He’s tall with broad shoulders and big hands. There’s nothing to question here.



Touch

Barkley: 9.5 | Jones: 9.8

One of the most underrated traits a successful quarterback must have is touch. NFL quarterbacks must be able to throw a pass that is catchable. It doesn’t matter how hard you can throw a ball if the receiver can’t catch it.

Both Jones and Barkley have excellent touch when throwing short to intermediate routes. The ball is placed in an area where the receiver can easily grab it and continue running. As both are set up in offenses that rely on short passes and yards after catch, they have been taught well to deliver the ball with the correct amount of velocity.

I favor Jones here, as he shows better touch when throwing deep. That ability to drop the ball over the receiver’s shoulder while hugging the sideline is a thing of beauty.



Overall

Barkley: 8.2 | Jones: 9.0

A popular draft comparison to these two players is the quarterback-heavy class of 2011. If Jones and Barkley were in the 2011 class, I would have ranked them at No. 1 (Jones) and No. 5 (Barkley)—with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton between them.

The film never lies, and the players I saw when breaking down the film for this article were not on the level of what a top 10 pick should be. It’s absolutely possible that an NFL team will fall in love with one of these players and draft them higher, or that the need for quarterbacks will prevail over value. My recommendation would be that Landry Jones is drafted in the 10-15 range, while Matt Barkley is selected in the 25-32 area.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/860651-the-tale-of-the-tape-landry-jones-vs-matt-barkley

uh-huh. Yeah, buoy!

[Saccopoo]

This whole post is just full of fail. As is this thread.

There's too many moronic Chiefs fans out there.

Well, the entire basis for this thread is based on a Bleacher Report article.

F-

[RealSNR]

Landry Jones does a great job throwing the ball to where it’s catchable for his receivers. The best attribute I’ve seen from Jones in the two years and change watching him has been his accuracy. It’s top notch to all levels of the field. I was particularly impressed with Jones’ accuracy when throwing the deep fade. He puts the ball up against the sideline without throwing out of bounds. This, more than any other throw, shows off his ability to put the ball where he wants on a consistent basis
You trollin' dawg

[Chief_For_Life58]

ura a fucking retard if you think jones is better than smith. stronger arm? smith. better pocket presence? smith. can escape pressure? smith. where the nfl is going with an athletic qb? smith. landry is another nfl backup

[Great Expectations]

Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

[RealSNR]

Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

Dumbass.

[Priest31kc]

Smith didn't look that great last night. Tavon was the best player I've watched this year.

Murray looks like the best QB to me, both Jones and Smith have huge issues when facing any pressure. Barkley might be the one, but he throws too many picks and has NFL WR's to throw to.

:shake:

[Great Expectations]

Dumbass.

Do you have anything of value to offer? Your schtick isn't funny and I haven't seen a football opinion out of you.

[RealSNR]

Do you have anything of value to offer? Your schtick isn't funny and I haven't seen a football opinion out of you.

You must not read very many of my posts

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

After watching the game last night, I have to agree. Geno's arm strength is no better than Cassel's. And for a black guy, he's slow. I just don't see what the fuss about him is. Landry on the other hand has a strong, accurate arm. His only knock is his mobility. But if Big Ben can make it without scramble ability, so can he.

http://www.jaxxshirts.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/confused.jpg



So much FAIL.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Bell-dozer cometh. 3 games left in Cassel lites career.

[RealSNR]

Bell-dozer cometh. 3 games left in Cassel lites career.

Belldozer.

You guys gotta fucking stop that. It's gay and dumb.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Belldozer.

You guys gotta fucking stop that. It's gay and dumb.

Is he seriously comparing Geno to Casshole?

[RealSNR]

Is he seriously comparing Geno to Casshole?
He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

LMAO I see. You see, THAT'S just how much I know or care to know about Douche Stoops and his fucking lame-assed Sooners.

[ArrowheadMagic]

He's talking about Landry.

But his fanbase has done a bad thing with that Belldozer nickname. That's worse than the Holocaust.

Better passer than Jones, with same skill set. Can make every throw. How he handles running a full offense is the unknown. Has a much better OLine returning next year.

[ArrowheadMagic]

LMAO I see. You see, THAT'S just how much I know or care to know about Douche Stoops and his ****ing lame-assed Sooners.

Your opinion on football is valued the same as ALL CAPS DEB'S

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Did Stoops D-Coord go to the same "Gettin' Douchey On The Sidelines"-course for college coaches?

Enquiring minds want to know!

[ArrowheadMagic]

Did Stoops D-Coord go to the same "Gettin' Douchey On The Sidelines"-course for college coaches?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Under performing in a game or 2 is his MO. He gets out coached, but he finishes on the recruiting trail. Few colleges wouldnt want his record.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Under performing in a game or 2 is his MO. He gets out coached, but he finishes on the recruiting trail. Few colleges wouldnt want his record.

Congratulations; you've found your Schottenhimer. May his career be long.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Congratulations; you've found your Schottenhimer. May his career be long.


With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

You've hired Bozworth to "bring the sexy back"?

[RealSNR]

Tards like Mahi are going to be forced to like Geno very quickly. It's fine.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Tards like Mahi are going to be forced to like Geno very quickly. It's fine.

He'll be sporting a "12" after the 1st quarter.

[ArrowheadMagic]

You've hired Bozworth to "bring the sexy back"?

Dont know. dont care.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

With Championship. It Oklahoma...... We will win, we will win championships, its what we do. See history.

You've won something since '85?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

And 500 yards passing again for Jones compared to 236 for Smith.

I think it's pretty clear now.

[Saulbadguy]

Landry Jones is fucking awful.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Landry Jones is ****ing awful.


Why do you say that ?

[loochy]

DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL RITE NAO

[58-4ever]

You've won something since '85?

2000 National Champions.

[Saulbadguy]

Why do you say that ?

Blitz him and he folds like a cheap tent, each and every time. He can't complete a pass under pressure.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL RITE NAO

Cassel can hold the fort for a year or 3!!!! No sure things till then!!!

[BWillie]

If the Chiefs draft Landry Jones I just might end my affiliation to this team. I mean you couldn't get any dumber than to draft that guy in the Top 10.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Just say "N OU" to Landry fucking Jones.

[Chief Faithful]

Landry Jones reminds me of Drew Bledsoe, all world arm with feet in cement. The Chiefs need two QB's from this draft maybe they could get Geno in the first then Jones would make a good #2, but so would Barkley and Murray.

[okcchief]

Better passer than Jones, with same skill set. Can make every throw. How he handles running a full offense is the unknown. Has a much better OLine returning next year.

You are fucking out of your mind. Bell can't throw the ball for shit. If he could he would be starting. Kendall Thompson probably has as good a chance of starting. Fucking OU fans and their spins.

[Sorter]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/britney-recoiol.gif

[okcchief]

I don't want Jones, but I bet he's more successful than any other OU QB to date. Not that it's saying shit lol

[warpaint*]

It HAS to be sarcasm.

^^^^^^^^^^

[warpaint*]

I don't want Jones, but I bet he's more successful than any other OU QB to date. Not that it's saying shit lol

He freakin' sucks. No thank you.

[okcchief]

He freakin' sucks. No thank you.

I didn't say I wanted him. I said he would be better than Sam Bradford who OU fans still beat off too. Landry is who they blame no matter what happens. Even though they gave up over 48 points the last 2 weeks and still won. The fact is their coaching staff is highly overrated.

[warpaint*]

Ya I know what you were saying I was commenting generally about him didn't mean to imply I took your post otherwise

[AussieChiefsFan]

shutup

[DaneMcCloud]

It's true.

I only eat turkey bacon

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I only eat turkey bacon



Me Too !

BTW .I tried making some turkey bacon once but I couldn't get the Turkey to hold still long enough to get pregnant.

[Austin Ed]

If the Chiefs draft Landry Jones I just might end my affiliation to this team. I mean you couldn't get any dumber than to draft that guy in the Top 10.

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

[RealSNR]

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

Name me some "true" #1 picks in this year's draft.

There ARE none outside of the top QBs.

[gta0012]

I still really like Aaron Murry but that's just me.

[keg in kc]

Name me some "true" #1 picks in this year's draft.

There ARE none outside of the top QBs.No player who isn't a lineman can ever be a "true" #1 pick.

[BryanBusby]

lmfao

[NJChiefsFan]

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

I couldn't disagree more. This isn't about value in a round. This is about the FUTURE OF THE FRANCHISE. Yeah, it is exactly that important and exactly that dramatic. You can't win without a great QB. Maybe your team can have 1 run here and there, but that's it. You get the best QB you believe is out there, period. You don't pass on them to take the "better player" because a decent QB is waiting later.

I would rather take the best QB in the draft and have a failure in round 2 then take the best player available with the first pick and Jones in round 2 due to value. The first one actually gives a chance of being a SB contender one day.

[keg in kc]

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be fucking insane to do anything else.

[RealSNR]

Back when I and many others were still trying to convince folks that Matt Cassel was fucking dogshit, I made the comparison of QBs to watches. It still works.

If Andrew Luck is a gold-plated Rolex valued at $40,000 (or however much a brand new one goes for), then Matt Cassel is a $200 nickel-plated Seiko. Nothing against Seikos. They can be stylish, and they get the job done. But nobody is ever going to be impressed by one. They won't stick out. And they won't get you laid. Matt Cassel in particular was a Seiko that developed a faulty mechanism, the hands kept falling off, and wasn't water-proof. After two years it was evident the Chiefs had bought a piece of shit.

So what does this franchise (and its fans apparently) keep doing? They keep trying to find a "value" watch. This time they have an opportunity to get a nicer one, but they're still not looking at the ultra-expensive Rolexes. Even now they're looking at cheaper, not as high quality watches to see if they can find a bargain.

What the Chiefs need and have never had is a 24-karat gold monstrous fucker with diamonds, platinum, and a bunch of other expensive shit on it. Even now they're saying, "Gee, this knockoff Rolex brand has everything the more expensive real model does... well, at least it looks like it does from afar. And it's way less expensive!"

[RealSNR]

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be fucking insane to do anything else.

Or... what keg said.

[NJChiefsFan]

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be ****ing insane to do anything else.

Well said. Less wordy then my post. It doesn't matter where the QB ranks compared to the other players on the board. If you need a QB, no other position should matter until you find one.

[AussieChiefsFan]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLj2hIz59oM/UHZRbSJTzXI/AAAAAAAAWSY/p56-2THONsY/s1600/Hahaha.gif

[htismaqe]

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

You want a "true" #1 pick.

Who is he? Name him.

[the Talking Can]

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

and i'd rather shoot your pets in the face

[htismaqe]

Name me some "true" #1 picks in this year's draft.

There ARE none outside of the top QBs.

I see you already asked.

And you're still waiting.

I want to know who this "true" #1 is.

Is it Jarvis Jones, who has spinal stenosis?

Or maybe Luke Joeckel, who is being compared to Jake Long?

Maybe it's Star Lotulelei, who would be the THIRD 3-4 defensive lineman we've drafted in the last 6 years?

How about Manti Te'o, who is the highest-rated ILB prospect since Aaron Curry?

The simple fact is that, if you're going by the talking heads and looking for "value", THERE ISN'T ANY. Every single one of these guys have question marks that make them bad value at #1 overall.

The Chiefs have a VOLCANIC need for a QB. If they pick anything else, they're the dumbest franchise in the history of sports.

[the Talking Can]

30 years without a QB, and Chiefs fans are still worried about 'value'....


but we can get a six pack of 16oz Bud light AND a sixer of Michelob instead of the Three Floyds Zombie Dust!

[keg in kc]

Luke Joeckel is nowhere close to Jake Long, who never should've gone anywhere close to #1. Talk about a team reaching for a position of need. But I guess that's only okay for left tackles and other impact positions who always have the ball in their hands.

[007]

There are no true number 1s in this draft. That is why the Chiefs need to just get the best QB with their pick.

[htismaqe]

Luke Joeckel is nowhere close to Jake Long, who never should've gone anywhere close to #1. Talk about a team reaching for a position of need. But I guess that's only okay for left tackles and other impact positions who always have the ball in their hands.

So you think Luke Joeckel is worth the 1st overall pick?

He's not Orlando Pace or Joe Thomas. Not even close.

[SAUTO]

So you think Luke Joeckel is worth the 1st overall pick?

He's not Orlando Pace or Joe Thomas. Not even close.

i think he actually said the opposite

[htismaqe]

i think he actually said the opposite

It's hard to tell because of the way he worded it.

If Jake Long wasn't a #1 and Luke Joeckel is NOT Jake Long, does that mean he's worse or better than Long?

With the way he worded it, it could be EITHER, which is why I asked.

[keg in kc]

So you think Luke Joeckel is worth the 1st overall pick?I was saying he isn't anywhere close to as good a prospect as Jake Long. Who himself shouldn't have gone #1. When I said the thing about a team reaching for a position of need, I meant Miami in 2008. How you could possibly pass on Matt Ryan (and the Lambs did it too) I have never understood, and that was under the old CBA.

My thinking is the same this year: how can you possibly - especially a team with as dire a need for quarterback as us - justify passing on Geno Smith, or Tyler Wilson, or even Matt freaking Barkley (who I don't like...) in favor of anybody else?

Anyway, I don't think much of the tackles this year. Matthews is okay but nothing I'd draft in the top half of the round. I've seen a lot of Taylor Lewan and he does absolutely nothing for me.

[htismaqe]

I was saying he isn't anywhere close to as good a prospect as Jake Long. Who himself shouldn't have gone #1. When I said the thing about a team reaching for a position of need, I meant Miami in 2008. How you could possibly pass on Matt Ryan (and the Lambs did it too) I have never understood, and that was under the old CBA.

Makes sense. I just didn't know from your previous statement if you thought Joeckel was better or worse than Long.

I'm not sure if he's THAT much worse than Long but Long is about the only guy I can draw a real comparison to. And we see how the Long thing worked out (not only did they pass on Ryan but there's a ton of speculation now that his body is breaking down and he's done).

Bottom line: Luke Joeckel doesn't even COME CLOSE to being worth the #1 overall pick.

My thinking is the same this year: how can you possibly - especially a team with as dire a need for quarterback as us - justify passing on Geno Smith, or Tyler Wilson, or even Matt freaking Barkley (who I don't like...) in favor of anybody else?

Anyway, I don't think much of the tackles this year. Matthews is okay but nothing I'd draft in the top half of the round. I've seen a lot of Taylor Lewan and he does absolutely nothing for me.

Yep. Joeckel is the best tackle in the draft and he's not top 5 material.

If we don't take a LT, then who? Damontre Moore doesn't really fit the defense, does he? Jarvis Jones has medical issues. Star? Are we really going to take ANOTHER defensive tackle? Those are about the only guys outside of the QBs that you can even rationally discuss being top 5 picks.

[Lzen]

Was Hog Farmer drunk when he posted this thread?

[RealSNR]

Let's pretend that Jake Long IS breaking down, and that doctors will tell him to stop playing football as early as this year.

Then who was the last #1 overall pick to NOT be a giant bust and also a franchise player for their team for years to come? Meaning they have to play past their first contract.

Jake Long didn't (in this scenario). Mario Williams didn't. Courtney Brown didn't. Did Keyshawn Johnson?

[htismaqe]

Let's pretend that Jake Long IS breaking down, and that doctors will tell him to stop playing football as early as this year.

Then who was the last #1 overall pick to NOT be a giant bust and also a franchise player for their team for years to come? Meaning they have to play past their first contract.

Jake Long didn't (in this scenario). Mario Williams didn't. Courtney Brown didn't. Did Keyshawn Johnson?

This is it right here. The nail in the coffin for the idea of taking anything other than a QB.

[RealSNR]

The answer to my question, btw, is Orlando Pace in 1997.

These players who came before Pace did not receive 2nd contracts with the team that drafted them. Most of them were abject failures.

Yes, I realize this was a different era of football, but all that proves is that teams didn't value QBs as much as they do now. Drafting DTs and RBs if they were damn good was what you did. The number of non-QBs at the #1 overall spot shows this.

Keyshawn Johnson, 1996
Ki-Jana Carter, 1995
Dan Wilkinson, 1994
Steve Emtman, 1992
Russell Maryland, 1991

It isn't until you get into the 1980s that you see any kind of decent hit rate for non-QBs drafted #1 overall.

Aundray Brown, 1988 (bust)
Bo Jackson, 1986
Bruce Smith, 1985

[htismaqe]

The answer to my question, btw, is Orlando Pace in 1997.

These players who came before Pace did not receive 2nd contracts with the team that drafted them. Most of them were abject failures.

Yes, I realize this was a different era of football, but all that proves is that teams didn't value QBs as much as they do now. Drafting DTs and RBs if they were damn good was what you did. The number of non-QBs at the #1 overall spot shows this.

Keyshawn Johnson, 1996
Ki-Jana Carter, 1995
Dan Wilkinson, 1994
Steve Emtman, 1992
Russell Maryland, 1991

It isn't until you get into the 1980s that you see any kind of decent hit rate for non-QBs drafted #1 overall.

Aundray Brown, 1988 (bust)
Bo Jackson, 1986
Bruce Smith, 1985

So here's the next logical question:

Has any non-QB picked #1 overall won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them, other than Orlando Pace?

I only see one that even played in a Super Bowl and that was Bruce Smith nearly THIRTY years ago.

[RealSNR]

So here's the next logical question:

Has any non-QB picked #1 overall won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them, other than Orlando Pace?

I only see one that even played in a Super Bowl and that was Bruce Smith nearly THIRTY years ago.

Russell Maryland won three Super Bowls with the Cowboys.

[Ace Gunner]

RB Paul Hornung
DE Too Tall Jones

#1 QB's that won;

Bradshaw
Aikman
Plunkett (another team)
Elway
Eli
Peyton

Here's a list of #1's;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_National_Football_League_draft_picks

[RealSNR]

I might be willing to call Maryland the only other "correct" pick the Cowboys could have made, actually. Sure, he only lasted one contract, so he was hardly a franchise player. But consider this: they already had a franchise QB (obviously), and the two guys who went in that draft's first round were Dan McGwuire at #16 to the Seahawks and Todd Marinovich to the Raiders at 24 (remember when teams in the AFC West drafted QBs? Yeah, me neither). Also, the only player I would be willing to call "good" in his career in the top 10 was Herman Moore, who went 10th overall to the Lions.

The problem was that the Cowboys had to trade UP to get the #1 overall pick. The Patriots couldn't sign Raghib Ismael, so they traded it to Dallas for Eugene Lockhart, Ron Francis, David Howard, a 1991 first round pick (#11 Pat Harlow) and a 1991 second round pick (#41 Jerome Henderson).

[htismaqe]

Russell Maryland won three Super Bowls with the Cowboys.

Ah yes, I missed his name on there.

Does he count, since he was playing with a QB that was also drafted #1 overall?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They wouldn't draft Jones in the Top Ten. No one would The whole point is that he may be available at the top of Round Two and would be a great value pick there. I would rather have Jones and a true #1 pick than Smith at #1 or 2.

Sweet, merciful Jesus...:facepalm::drool:

[mcaj22]

I might be willing to call Maryland the only other "correct" pick the Cowboys could have made, actually. Sure, he only lasted one contract, so he was hardly a franchise player. But consider this: they already had a franchise QB (obviously), and the two guys who went in that draft's first round were Dan McGwuire at #16 to the Seahawks and Todd Marinovich to the Raiders at 24 (remember when teams in the AFC West drafted QBs? Yeah, me neither). Also, the only player I would be willing to call "good" in his career in the top 10 was Herman Moore, who went 10th overall to the Lions.

The problem was that the Cowboys had to trade UP to get the #1 overall pick. The Patriots couldn't sign Raghib Ismael, so they traded it to Dallas for Eugene Lockhart, Ron Francis, David Howard, a 1991 first round pick (#11 Pat Harlow) and a 1991 second round pick (#41 Jerome Henderson).

lol that's so cheap for a first overall pick in '91 compared to now where you'd have to sell the fucking farm for it.