View Full Version : Music Eddie Van Halen deconstructs his collaboration on 'Beat It'
Deberg_1990
12-03-2012, 03:17 PM
Interesting....Classic song...classic album
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/30/showbiz/music/van-halen-jackson-thriller?iref=obinsite
Eddie Van Halen sits on a sofa in his home studio, smoking an electronic cigarette and reminiscing about the 30th anniversary of Michael Jackson's masterpiece album, "Thriller."
"It seems like yesterday, doesn't it," he says softly. "It would have been fun to work with him again."
Van Halen was a surprise guest on "Beat It," the album's third single. His blazing guitar solo lasted all of 20 seconds and took half an hour to record. He did it for free, as a favor to producer Quincy Jones, while the rest of his Van Halen bandmates were out of town.
"I said to myself, 'Who is going to know that I played on this kid's record, right? Nobody's going to find out.' Wrong!" he laughs. "Big-time wrong. It ended up being Record of the Year."
The Rock and Roll Hall of Famer recently revealed to CNN what went on behind-the-scenes of his iconic collaboration with the King of Pop.
CNN: When Quincy rang you up, you thought it was a crank call.
Eddie Van Halen: I went off on him. I went, "What do you want, you f-ing so-and-so!" And he goes, "Is this Eddie?" I said, "Yeah, what the hell do you want?" "This is Quincy." I'm thinking to myself, "I don't know anyone named Quincy." He goes, "Quincy Jones, man." I went, "Ohhh, sorry!" (Laughs)
I asked, "What can I do for you?" And he said, "How would you like to come down and play on Michael Jackson's new record?" And I'm thinking to myself, "OK, 'ABC, 1, 2, 3' and me. How's that going to work?"
I still wasn't 100% sure it was him. I said, "I'll tell you what. I'll meet you at your studio tomorrow." And lo and behold, when I get there, there's Quincy, there's Michael Jackson and there's engineers. They're makin' records!
CNN: Did Quincy give you any direction about what he wanted you to do?
Van Halen: Michael left to go across the hall to do some children's speaking record. I think it was "E.T." or something. So I asked Quincy, "What do you want me to do?" And he goes, "Whatever you want to do." And I go, "Be careful when you say that. If you know anything about me, be careful when you say, "Do anything you want!"
I listened to the song, and I immediately go, "Can I change some parts?" I turned to the engineer and I go, "OK, from the breakdown, chop in this part, go to this piece, pre-chorus, to the chorus, out." Took him maybe 10 minutes to put it together. And I proceeded to improvise two solos over it.
I was just finishing the second solo when Michael walked in. And you know artists are kind of crazy people. We're all a little bit strange. I didn't know how he would react to what I was doing. So I warned him before he listened. I said, "Look, I changed the middle section of your song."
Now in my mind, he's either going to have his bodyguards kick me out for butchering his song, or he's going to like it. And so he gave it a listen, and he turned to me and went, "Wow, thank you so much for having the passion to not just come in and blaze a solo, but to actually care about the song, and make it better."
He was this musical genius with this childlike innocence. He was such a professional, and such a sweetheart.
CNN: That collaboration surprised a lot of people.
Van Halen: I'll never forget when Tower Records was still open over here in Sherman Oaks. I was buying something, and "Beat It" was playing over the store sound system. The solo comes on, and I hear these kids in front of me going, "Listen to this guy trying to sound like Eddie Van Halen." I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "That IS me!" That was hilarious.
CNN: How did you explain to the guys in Van Halen what had happened?
Van Halen: I just said, "You know. (Shrugs) Busted!" "Dave, you were out of the country!" "Al, you weren't around!" I couldn't call anyone and ask for permission.
Unfortunately, "Thriller" kept our album, "1984," from going to No. 1. Our album was just about ready to go No. 1 when he burned his hair in that Pepsi commercial, if you remember that. And boom, he went straight to No. 1 again!
CNN: Is there an album since then that has shaken things up in the same way?
Van Halen: Wow, I don't know.
CNN: Some people cite Nirvana's "Nevermind" has one that caused a musical shift.
Van Halen: But still not like that. Not that crossed over to such a mass audience. Nirvana was huge, but it didn't appeal to everyone.
I have a lot of respect for Michael. He's going to be sorely missed. I'd be curious as to what he'd be doing right now.
CNN: I believe Quincy has said he paid you in two six packs of beer.
Van Halen: Yeah, something like that. Actually, I brought my own, if I remember right.
I don't even think I'm credited on the record. It just says, "Guitar solo: Question Mark" or "Guitar solo: Frankenstein" (the name of his guitar).
CNN: Did you ever hear from Quincy again?
Van Halen: At the very end, Quincy wrote me a letter thanking me. It was signed, "The F-ing Blah Blah Blah," which I still have. It's very funny.
Demonpenz
12-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Saw Eddie in line at Ikea. He is actually 3 Feet tall / dane
durtyrute
12-03-2012, 03:23 PM
Nice read, thanks.
notorious
12-03-2012, 03:24 PM
I had no idea.
Munson
12-03-2012, 03:24 PM
Cool story, bro. :thumb:
keg in kc
12-03-2012, 03:25 PM
Van Halen: Michael left to go across the hall to do some children's speaking record.
Joke and punchline all in one...
Deberg_1990
12-03-2012, 03:26 PM
Saw Eddie in line at Ikea. He is actually 3 Feet tall / dane
ROFL
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DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 03:30 PM
Saw Eddie in line at Ikea. He is actually 3 Feet tall / dane
Nah, he's 5'6
:D
Chief_For_Life58
12-03-2012, 03:34 PM
I saw eddie van halen at the marriott. that is all
Sweet Daddy Hate
12-03-2012, 03:42 PM
Eddie was shopping for houses in Leawood.
Mile High Mania
12-03-2012, 03:45 PM
Razorbacks just made Eddie an offer to be the next HC.
Saul Good
12-03-2012, 03:46 PM
Razorbacks just made Eddie an offer to be the next HC.
The deal is done
Sweet Daddy Hate
12-03-2012, 03:48 PM
The deal is done
Okay gang,
Demonpenz
12-03-2012, 03:55 PM
I am worried Eddie will cost us geno
stevieray
12-03-2012, 04:28 PM
Chicks used to tell me I looked like EVH.
Kerberos
12-03-2012, 04:29 PM
I had no idea.
Yup
Thirty Friggn years and I never had a clue that he did that solo.
Of course I can hear that it reeks EVH now.
But I never really listed to MJ unless it was on somewhere I couldn't stop or change it so I never REALLY listened to it back then.
"The exchange on the phone with Quincy Jones"on first contact was priceless. LMAO
Kerberos
12-03-2012, 04:32 PM
Chicks used to tell me I looked like EVH.
I'm guessing these were the PRE-Pork Chop days??
stevieray
12-03-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm guessing these were the PRE-Pork Chop days??
:D
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 04:36 PM
Most of the songs on Thriller were written by Toto, who also performed most of the album.
Lukather did the original solo for Beat It but it wasn't working. Luke & EVH were buds, which is where QJ got the idea.
stevieray
12-03-2012, 04:37 PM
Most of the songs on Thriller were written by Toto, who also performed most of the album.
Lukather did the original solo for Beat It but it wasn't working. Luke & EVH were buds, which is where QJ got the idea.
Luthaker
:rockon:
"hold the line..." came out while in high school
Saw VH at Summerjam.....oh man!
Omaha
12-03-2012, 04:38 PM
Eddie Van Halen doesn't know how to spell "Jovan"
Third Eye
12-03-2012, 04:41 PM
Along these lines, another one I've always found interesting is the Beastie Boys' Fight for your Right to Party solo which was done by Kerry King of Slayer fame.
stevieray
12-03-2012, 04:43 PM
EVH wore Jovan Musk
KCUnited
12-03-2012, 04:47 PM
Hope Solo was done by Living Colour.
Molitoth
12-03-2012, 04:48 PM
Eddie Van Halen is too fat.
fyp
dtebbe
12-03-2012, 04:51 PM
Saw VH at Summerjam.....oh man!
Summerjam... someone's showing their age! ROFL
DT
mcaj22
12-03-2012, 05:04 PM
Along these lines, another one I've always found interesting is the Beastie Boys' Fight for your Right to Party solo which was done by Kerry King of Slayer fame.
beastie boys were a punk band in the 80s so not totally out there
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 05:29 PM
beastie boys were a punk band in the 80s so not totally out there
:shake: Silly boy...
I guess Run DMC was also punk.:rolleyes:
It was common in the olden days for Rap songs to have guitar solos.
Brock
12-03-2012, 05:33 PM
:shake: Silly boy...
I guess Run DMC was also punk.:rolleyes:
It was common in the olden days for Rap songs to have guitar solos.
The beastie boys formed as a punk band in the beginning. not sure what your point is.
stevieray
12-03-2012, 05:37 PM
Summerjam... someone's showing their age! ROFL
DT
I know! Eddies old!
I wore Jovan Musk
Al Bundy
12-03-2012, 05:38 PM
Eddie Van Halen doesn't know how to spell "Jovan"
Eddie's Too fat/Omaha
stevieray
12-03-2012, 05:49 PM
It was common in the olden days for Rap songs to have guitar solos.
"Rick" Rubin..paging "Rick" Rubin
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 06:24 PM
The beastie boys formed as a punk band in the beginning. not sure what your point is.
Michael Jackson working with EVH is almost as unlikely as the Beastie Boys working with Kerry King or Reba McIntire working with Dimebag Darrell.
The Beastie Boys were a rap band in the 80's and even in their punk days were unlikely to come across Kerry King.
The fact that Thriller was written by Toto is really whacked out.
Easy 6
12-03-2012, 06:35 PM
Hope Solo was done by Living Colour.
Yep, Vernon Reid KILLED it.
Frazod
12-03-2012, 06:36 PM
Most of the songs on Thriller were written by Toto, who also performed most of the album.
Lukather did the original solo for Beat It but it wasn't working. Luke & EVH were buds, which is where QJ got the idea.
Posts like this are why Dane fucking rules.
Frazod
12-03-2012, 06:38 PM
I'll never forget when Tower Records was still open over here in Sherman Oaks. I was buying something, and "Beat It" was playing over the store sound system. The solo comes on, and I hear these kids in front of me going, "Listen to this guy trying to sound like Eddie Van Halen." I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "That IS me!" That was hilarious.
LMAO I wish he had expanded on this. I'll bet those kids probably shit themselves.
okcchief
12-03-2012, 06:43 PM
"Rick" Rubin..paging "Rick" Rubin
Yeah, Rick Rubin produced for the Beasties and Slayer at the time. Not hard to figure that one out.
rabblerouser
12-03-2012, 06:48 PM
Michael Jackson working with EVH is almost as unlikely as the Beastie Boys working with Kerry King or Reba McIntire working with Dimebag Darrell.
The Beastie Boys were a rap band in the 80's and even in their punk days were unlikely to come across Kerry King.
The fact that Thriller was written by Toto is really whacked out.
beastie boys were a punk band in the 80s so not totally out there
Beasties and Slayer were both on Def Jam Records and both were produced by Rick Rubin. Totally not a stretch for them to cross paths in that realm.
As for the Dime/Reba reference...check out David Allan Coe's Rebel Meets Rebel album, for which Pantera is his backing band. Not quite Reba, but quite a departure for Dime, Rex, & Vin all the same.
Egg Raid On Mojo...Egg Raid On Mojo!!!!
Ecto-I
12-03-2012, 06:56 PM
Most of the songs on Thriller were written by Toto, who also performed most of the album.
Lukather did the original solo for Beat It but it wasn't working. Luke & EVH were buds, which is where QJ got the idea.
Actually this isn't entirely true...while Toto was involved with some production aspects they only wrote the song "Human Nature" on the Thriller Album. The rest of the songs were written by either Michael Jackson (Wanna Be Startin Somethin, Billie Jean, Beat It, The Girl is Mine) or Rod Temperton.
Brock
12-03-2012, 07:00 PM
Michael Jackson working with EVH is almost as unlikely as the Beastie Boys working with Kerry King or Reba McIntire working with Dimebag Darrell.
The Beastie Boys were a rap band in the 80's and even in their punk days were unlikely to come across Kerry King.
The fact that Thriller was written by Toto is really whacked out.
Quincy felt he needed a killer guitar solo on the record, so it seems weird to you that he'd call up the best guitar player of the era? ok.
The Beastie Boys had a pretty obvious connection with Slayer, so it's even more likely.
alpha_omega
12-03-2012, 07:09 PM
I laughed out loud. Good story.
displacedinMN
12-03-2012, 07:32 PM
I saw that story too.
Good read and a good laugh when he tells off Quincy Jones
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 07:34 PM
Quincy felt he needed a killer guitar solo on the record, so it seems weird to you that he'd call up the best guitar player of the era? ok.
The Beastie Boys had a pretty obvious connection with Slayer, so it's even more likely.
I wouldn't say "even more likely". To me it's just an interesting factoid and an equally unusual non credited performance.
displacedinMN
12-03-2012, 07:36 PM
Most of the songs on Thriller were written by Toto, who also performed most of the album.
Lukather did the original solo for Beat It but it wasn't working. Luke & EVH were buds, which is where QJ got the idea.
Good nugget there.
Toto IV is a good album too.
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 07:36 PM
Beasties and Slayer were both on Def Jam Records and both were produced by Rick Rubin. Totally not a stretch for them to cross paths in that realm.
As for the Dime/Reba reference...check out David Allan Coe's Rebel Meets Rebel album, for which Pantera is his backing band. Not quite Reba, but quite a departure for Dime, Rex, & Vin all the same.
Egg Raid On Mojo...Egg Raid On Mojo!!!!
Thanks for the tip. I'll have to check that out.
Ace Gunner
12-03-2012, 07:50 PM
those were the days when they made music.
Baby Lee
12-03-2012, 07:52 PM
Van Halen: I'll never forget when Tower Records was still open over here in Sherman Oaks. I was buying something,
What are the odds he bought whatever he bought from Jimmy Pardo?
Ironically, Jimmy, Matt, and Gillmartin did a round robin of Thriller [along with several KISS albums and Chicago's Greatest Hits] to see who was stumped for a track first on the most recent Never Not Funny.
Beat was THE SHIT in '83. One of my funniest [dryly funny] remembrances of JHS was the 83/84 JHS talent show.
Thriller had JUST come out, this was Dec '83, or Jan 84, can't recall exactly, and a 9th grader had already mastered all of MJ's moves, the Moonwalk, the hip point, the front kick, the jizz spray rotate, all of them.
And he did a move for move performance of 'Beat It' for the talent show to much acclaim. Had backup dancers to do the easy moves while he moonwalked back and forth, even found a guy who could do the jackhammer chin move that one dude did at the 'big fight.'
Well, I participated in the TS was well soloing in the JHS jazz band performance of 'Take the A-Train' [decent, capable, but not accolade garnering]. There was a guy who played trombone in the band who was the epitome of a teenaged William F. Buckley, ever patrician, ever nerdy, yet ever apparently cerebral to a JHS cohort. I was standing beside him just after our performance watching Mr. Moonwalk strut his stuff and he stared in awe and announced to all within earshot 'that man is a hell of a performer.'
A memory as fresh as the day it happened.
Baby Lee
12-03-2012, 07:55 PM
I know! Eddies old!
I wore Jovan Musk
I picture you as a staunch Hai Karate man.
Frazod
12-03-2012, 07:59 PM
those were the days when they made music.
It's really something being old enough to remember when Michael Jackson was cool. And black. And human.
Baby Lee
12-03-2012, 08:05 PM
It's really something being old enough to remember when Michael Jackson was cool. And black. And human.
I truly believe that Beat It was the last time I found him 'cool.' Even then it was 'wimpy cool.'
After that, even with the Thriller vid, moving into Bad and Man in the Mirror, etc., he was already talented but weird. I was just 12-13 and I knew that him going to the movies with a real live actual girl, as in Thriller, was what the LA types called 'creative licence.'
The 'black or white' facial morphs was cool tech, but skinny wimp Michael beating the fuck out of an abandoned Impala was just strange. 'Man, he's really mad at that crappy car.'
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 08:54 PM
What are the odds he bought whatever he bought from Jimmy Pardo?
Ironically, Jimmy, Matt, and Gillmartin did a round robin of Thriller [along with several KISS albums and Chicago's Greatest Hits] to see who was stumped for a track first on the most recent Never Not Funny.
LMAO
My daughter is best friend's with Matt's daughter. They go to the same preschool and we hang out all the time for play dates.
That said, I've never checked out his comedy. And no, Jimmy's not related to Don Pardo. Apparently, I wasn't the first to ask.
:D
splatbass
12-03-2012, 09:04 PM
Saw VH at Summerjam.....oh man!
I was there, if it was the one where they opened for Eddie Money, Steve Miller and Kansas. 1978 if I remember right.
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 09:09 PM
Actually this isn't entirely true...while Toto was involved with some production aspects they only wrote the song "Human Nature" on the Thriller Album. The rest of the songs were written by either Michael Jackson (Wanna Be Startin Somethin, Billie Jean, Beat It, The Girl is Mine) or Rod Temperton.
Okay, here goes:
1. Toto members were session players on every Thriller track, whether it was Lukather, Steve Pocaro, Jeff Pocao, David Paich, etc. and so on. Other great players included Dean Parks, Michael Boddicker and basically the "Who's who" of the LA Session scene.
2. As far as production is concerned, Thriller featured the greatest session players and arrangers of all time including Jerry Hey, Dean Parks, David Foster (who was later a brilliant producer), Humberto Gattica and the amazing Bruce Swedien, who recorded Michael's vocals with a $150 dollar microphone at the time ($349 now), the Shure SM7. Everyone who's ever watched a radio broadcast or been in a radio booth knows the SM7.
Michael was the magic.
3. Michael was not a musician. He couldn't play any instrument. Therefore, he couldn't compose music, hence he didn't actually write every song in which he was listed as writer.
Ghost writers wrote the record and those ghost writers were Toto. This is not uncommon. Ozzy Osbourne can't play an instrument and doesn't write lyrics, yet he's listed as a songwriter throughout his solo career. Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics early on and other writers have been brought in subsequently. I could go on and on and about this subject.
Frank Sinatra couldn't play an instrument and never composed music but in his vast arrogance, suggested that HE received publishing royalties, which are reserved for songwriters and composers only, because HE made the songs famous.
Unfortunately, managers and other artists picked up on this notion down the road and said "I own 50% of whatever you write and record for ME".
The bottom line is that Thriller was a culmination of the greatest musicians and Los Angeles session players the world had ever heard in one singular record. The producers were top notch, from Quincy to Swedien to Gattaca, acting as "engineers" on an amazing record.
stonedstooge
12-03-2012, 09:16 PM
I picture you as a staunch Hai Karate man.
BE CAREFUL HOW YOU USE IT
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 09:48 PM
Frank Sinatra couldn't play an instrument and never composed music but in his vast arrogance, suggested that HE received publishing royalties, which are reserved for songwriters and composers only, because HE made the songs famous.
Unfortunately, managers and other artists picked up on this notion down the road and said "I own 50% of whatever you write and record for ME".
Paul Anka is probably the greatest victim of this sort of mentality as far as I can see. He wrote the theme for “The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson” and was strong armed out of any royalties. They all went to Johnny…
Neil Diamond is on the opposite end of the scale where he receives royalties left and right for songs he wrote for other people where no one knows he wrote them.
journeyscarab
12-03-2012, 10:00 PM
I know! Eddies old!
I wore Jovan Musk
ROFL
I used to wear Jovan Musk then discovered Chaz!
http://kookykitsch.com/Portals/0/productimages/2991_07e28.jpg
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Paul Anka is probably the greatest victim of this sort of mentality as far as I can see. He wrote the theme for “The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson” and was strong armed out of any royalties. They all went to Johnny…
Actually, this is false.
The Johnny Carson Show theme was an instrumental version of an Anka song called "Toot Sweet". Anka received his Writer's share of the income but it's likely that since it was used by Carson's production company, it collected the Publisher's Share.
This is standard practice. There are very few production companies that allow composers to participate in Publishing royalties at a 50% rate, let alone, 100%.
Song shares are typically distributed as follows:
50% Writer, 50% Publisher. If Johnny Carson's company published the song, they'd be entitled to 100% of the Publisher's earnings. The writer, Paul Anka, would be entitled to 100% of the Writer's share of earnings.
It's rare in Film & TV that the writer would get a percentage of the Publisher's portion but if so, the equation for royalties would be as follows:
50% Writer's Share: Anka
25% Publisher's Share: Carson
25% Publisher's Share (Anka's Publishing Company).
Neil Diamond is on the opposite end of the scale where he receives royalties left and right for songs he wrote for other people where no one knows he wrote them.
But that doesn't mean that he's collecting Publisher's Share. If those songs were considered "Work For Hire", he'd only be entitled on Writer's Share.
It's a really tricky, complicated business.
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 10:36 PM
I wish I knew this crap back in the early 90's with my shitty Metal Band. We would have made a fortune!
The Paul Anka story comes from a Stern interview from 2002 or so... He must have sour grapes for not cashing in on some of the ongoing royalties.
The Neil Diamond piece is based off of a Corolla rant where he says when trying to come up with a soundtrack to a movie you tend to find out that even the most obscure song you've ever liked was probably written by Neil Diamond and therefore is too expensive to use in your film.
Publishing has always been a mystery to me and yet it’s most likely the most important thing any “professional” musician should know about.
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 10:43 PM
I wish I knew this crap back in the early 90's with my shitty Metal Band. We would have made a fortune!
The Paul Anka story comes from a Stern interview from 2002 or so... He must have sour grapes for not cashing in on some of the ongoing royalties.
The Neil Diamond piece is based off of a Corolla rant where he says when trying to come up with a soundtrack to a movie you tend to find out that even the most obscure song you've ever liked was probably written by Neil Diamond and therefore is too expensive to use in your film.
Publishing has always been a mystery to me and yet it’s most likely the most important thing any “professional” musician should know about.
Neil Diamond was a legendary "Brill Building" songwriter and he most certainly earns writer royalties on everything he's written. Those guys basically put ASCAP on the map. The only reason his songs aren't getting more film and TV placements is because his publishing company is charging exorbitant sync fees, likely because he feels his music is too "important" to be exploited.
That said, he didn't seem to have a problem with that dopey movie "Saving Silverman" using his music, in which he played himself and had several song uses.
FYI, I LOVE Neil Diamond and my comments are not meant to be derogatory.
stevieray
12-03-2012, 10:59 PM
I picture you as a staunch Hai Karate man.
thank you, thank you very much.
stevieray
12-03-2012, 11:02 PM
ROFL
I used to wear Jovan Musk then discovered Chaz!
whoa!
Gadzooks
12-03-2012, 11:16 PM
Neil Diamond was a legendary "Brill Building" songwriter and he most certainly earns writer royalties on everything he's written. Those guys basically put ASCAP on the map. The only reason his songs aren't getting more film and TV placements is because his publishing company is charging exorbitant sync fees, likely because he feels his music is too "important" to be exploited.
That said, he didn't seem to have a problem with that dopey movie "Saving Silverman" using his music, in which he played himself and had several song uses.
FYI, I LOVE Neil Diamond and my comments are not meant to be derogatory.
I've always thought that bands became successful as long as they had a member who was willing to blow record executives. I assigned this duty to my bass player. I always figured he must have be bad at it (sharp teeth, poor hand technique, ugly face etc…), so I’ve always blamed him for our lack of success. Little did I know that there’s actually more to this whole music business thing.
DaneMcCloud
12-03-2012, 11:17 PM
I always thought that bands became successful as long as they had a member who was willing to blow record executives. I assigned this duty to my bass player. I always figured he must be bad at it (sharp teeth, poor hand technique etc…), so I’ve always blamed him for our lack of success. Little did I know that there’s actually more to this whole music business thing.
LMAO
Chiefshrink
12-04-2012, 12:03 AM
I would like to see Van Halen do their version of Bread's(David Gates) hit song from the mid-70's "Guitar Man" with Hagar singing lead. Eddie would have fun with that because he IS the guitar man. That would be absolutely NUCLEAR !!:clap:
rabblerouser
12-04-2012, 02:35 AM
I've always thought that bands became successful as long as they had a member who was willing to blow record executives. I assigned this duty to my bass player. I always figured he must have be bad at it (sharp teeth, poor hand technique, ugly face etc…), so I’ve always blamed him for our lack of success. Little did I know that there’s actually more to this whole music business thing.
well, see...that's where you fucked up; everyone knows that drummers suck the best cock.
:harumph:
Deberg_1990
12-04-2012, 08:19 AM
Okay, here goes:
1. Toto members were session players on every Thriller track, whether it was Lukather, Steve Pocaro, Jeff Pocao, David Paich, etc. and so on. Other great players included Dean Parks, Michael Boddicker and basically the "Who's who" of the LA Session scene.
2. As far as production is concerned, Thriller featured the greatest session players and arrangers of all time including Jerry Hey, Dean Parks, David Foster (who was later a brilliant producer), Humberto Gattica and the amazing Bruce Swedien, who recorded Michael's vocals with a $150 dollar microphone at the time ($349 now), the Shure SM7. Everyone who's ever watched a radio broadcast or been in a radio booth knows the SM7.
Michael was the magic.
3. Michael was not a musician. He couldn't play any instrument. Therefore, he couldn't compose music, hence he didn't actually write every song in which he was listed as writer.
Ghost writers wrote the record and those ghost writers were Toto. This is not uncommon. Ozzy Osbourne can't play an instrument and doesn't write lyrics, yet he's listed as a songwriter throughout his solo career. Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics early on and other writers have been brought in subsequently. I could go on and on and about this subject.
Frank Sinatra couldn't play an instrument and never composed music but in his vast arrogance, suggested that HE received publishing royalties, which are reserved for songwriters and composers only, because HE made the songs famous.
Unfortunately, managers and other artists picked up on this notion down the road and said "I own 50% of whatever you write and record for ME".
The bottom line is that Thriller was a culmination of the greatest musicians and Los Angeles session players the world had ever heard in one singular record. The producers were top notch, from Quincy to Swedien to Gattaca, acting as "engineers" on an amazing record.
Facsinating stuff Dane. Thanks. The songs were great of course, but I think what really put that album over the top was the music videos and MJ's dancing of course. The music video scene was just starting to explode and those videos were true innovations at the time. It was like a perfect storm of things.
patteeu
12-04-2012, 08:20 AM
Posts like this are why Dane ****ing rules.
I agree.
LMAO I wish he had expanded on this. I'll bet those kids probably shit themselves.
Believe it or not, one of those kids was a young DaneMcCloud. True story. Maybe.
Demonpenz
12-04-2012, 02:53 PM
Steve Pocaro wears OFF! for cologne.
Steron
12-04-2012, 03:05 PM
I saw EVH at Best Buy. He said QB.
mcaj22
12-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Michael Jackson working with EVH is almost as unlikely as the Beastie Boys working with Kerry King or Reba McIntire working with Dimebag Darrell.
The Beastie Boys were a rap band in the 80's and even in their punk days were unlikely to come across Kerry King.
The fact that Thriller was written by Toto is really whacked out.
check your facts
1982
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KC Dan
12-04-2012, 03:39 PM
Ghost writers wrote the record and those ghost writers were Toto. Yep, dead on. I just saw Toto in Scottsdale this fall and got the VIP treatment. Spoke to Lukather and Paich about Thriller. Told me that they had a blast writing the songs and said they didn't have any misgivings about not getting widespread acclaim for their work on that huge album. Luke did note that he misses the fact that there really are not the opportunities for session work like the old days. He said he used to do 50 or so projects every year an dnow he is down to 1-3 per year
ZepSinger
12-04-2012, 03:43 PM
EVH at his finest! Extra points if you catch him playing the Iron Man riff.... :-)
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big nasty kcnut
12-04-2012, 04:21 PM
To the ship.
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