Why the Chiefs need Cowher...

[htismaqe]

No Super Bowl winning coach has ever won the Super Bowl again with a different team. We know this.

We also know the NFL is fixed.

There wouldn't be a bigger story line in the NFL next year than if the Chiefs, who haven't drafted a QB since Todd Blackledge, were to win the Super Bowl, making Cowher, who has been in the broadcast booth, the first coach to win it all with 2 different teams.

Make it happen, Roger!

[Rausch]

Do not tease me...

[KurtCobain]

Yeah, but no. If the nfl is fixed KC doesn't have a chance.

[Mr. Laz]

Doesn't Cowher want to be a GM/HC type guy?


yuck


Has a GM/HC ever won the super bowl?

[milkman]

Doesn't Cowher want to be a GM/HC type guy?


yuck


Has a GM/HC ever won the super bowl?

Ever heard the name "Bill Bellichick"?

[Hammock Parties]

That's a fun conspiracy theory.

If the NFL was really fixed they would have let Vermeil win another SB in KC. WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT STORY BRO.

[beach tribe]

KC need to get wiped out by an F5 tornado. They'd win the SB the next season lol.

[Rausch]

Doesn't Cowher want to be a GM/HC type guy?


yuck


Has a GM/HC ever won the super bowl?

You're an idiot.

I'll take the time to explain why you're an idiot because you need me to. Mostly, regrettably, because after years of trying you haven't figured it out for yourself.

Let me explain...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4cCRG4AF3R0/T04MewIan4I/AAAAAAAAAUg/p04mKKUbiJo/s1600/dr-house-slike-wallpaper.jpg

Nevermind.

I'm good with **** you. Have an apple...

[ptlyon]

Ain't happenin htis...

[beach tribe]

Ever heard the name "Bill Bellichick"?

Isn't that the guy that rode Pioli's coat tails to a couple SB titles?

[Deberg_1990]

Regardless of what you might think of Cowher as a coach, getting him back in KC is some capacity would be a smart move from a fanbase perspective. Sort of bringing the native son back home type of move.

[durtyrute]

Yeah, but no. If the nfl is fixed KC doesn't have a chance.

This

[DMAC]

That's a fun conspiracy theory.

If the NFL was really fixed they would have let Vermeil win another SB in KC. WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT STORY BRO.

That was the plan, til Peyton Manning.

[Rausch]

Regardless of what you might think of Cowher as a coach...

I'm pretty big on winning and he appears to be good at that...

[Mr. Laz]

Ever heard the name "Bill Bellichick"?

so more of the 'Patriot Way'


:cuss:

[Gonzo]

I'd be good with him coming in, really. I know a lot of you would prefer another Todd Haley type coach that has something to prove. I want a proven winner to bring them back to yearly contention.
I wouldn't mind Cowher or Reid (if he's available) or someone like that.
Someone who has a proven system and can use the current talent on this roster to get the team winning or at least 8-8 in season 1 and playoffs by year 2. Right now we're just wasting guys like Charles and Hali.

[keg in kc]

The farce is strong with this one.

[Hoover]

I'm in full agreement on Cowher.

Toughness needs to be restored in KC.

This team needs an identity - Under Cowher our defense would provide the team the attitude it is currently lacking.

Cowher has roots in KC, would be a great way to tie things back to the great KC defenses of the past.

Despite how we look on the field, this team can win now with a real QB and a HC who can inspire and lead. KC is a hell of a lot better positioned for the future than Chicago is.

Really want this to happen.

[Gonzo]

The farce is strong with this one.

I think this place would explode if that did happen. We all know who the next coach is going to be anyway.

Kurt Shottenheimer ftw!

[Mr. Laz]

I'm in full agreement on Cowher.

Toughness needs to be restored in KC.

This team needs an identity - Under Cowher our defense would provide the team the attitude it is currently lacking.

Cowher has roots in KC, would be a great way to tie things back to the great KC defenses of the past.

Despite how we look on the field, this team can win now with a real QB and a HC who can inspire and lead. KC is a hell of a lot better positioned for the future than Chicago is.

Really want this to happen.
after being in the media booth, is Cowher still 'tough'?

[Deberg_1990]

Bubby Brister for QBs coach!

[Rausch]

Ain't happenin htis...

...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_g7IQUpT7Nr8/THAReXH833I/AAAAAAAABts/HGrkNUGfOyA/s400/walken-bitch-slap-demotivational-poster-1224438358.jpg

[Hoover]

after being in the media booth, is Cowher still 'tough'?
You don't think his teams would be tough? I do. That's his style of football.

[milkman]

Bubby Brister for QBs coach!

There are some failed QBs that make pretty outstanding QB coaches.

Hell, Chris Weinke is probably the very best at preparing the young QBs getting ready for the draft.

And a big reason that Andrew Luck is what he is, is because of his dad.

[Deberg_1990]

Bubby Brister for QBs coach!

Oops....i meant Mike Tomczak!

[Dayze]

personally I don't want him.

this franchise needs an enema.

[Rausch]

Oops....i meant Mike Tomczak!

This is why I killed your mom's dog.

There.

I said it.

It's out there...

[Mr. Laz]

You don't think his teams would be tough? I do. That's his style of football.
i don't know ... just a point of consideration.


Most of the time it seems to me that once players/coaches move on they're not the same when they come back.

[Rausch]

i don't know ... just a point of consideration.


Most of the time it seems to me that once players/coaches move on they're not the same when they come back.

Like Parcells, or DV, or Marty (who won more playoff games AFTER KC.)

[O.city]

One side of this whole new coach thing, that I believe will play a big roll is winning. Thats probably the biggest role.

But a close second is going to be getting/bringing the fanbase back to what it was in teh 90's. If Clark wants to make a shitload of money, which I'm absolutely sure he does, winning and having a front office open to the fanbase is the best way to do that.

And extending on that, winning in the playoffs and actually making some noise is an even bigger way.

So, I'm gonna start by bringing in a new GM and HC who are willing to work together, I'm drafting a QB first overall to build around, and I'm gong from there.

[Mr. Laz]

Like Parcells, or DV, or Marty (who won more playoff games AFTER KC.)
I know you have always like Cowher and i don't hate him

just don't know that 'going back' has such a high % rate


I don't like the GM/HC idea either

i prefer everyone to have 1 job and focus on that

[Graystoke]

I would be down for Cowher.
Who doesn't like that grimace his face gives?

[Rausch]

I know you have always like Cowher and i don't hate him

just don't know that 'going back' has such a high % rate

We aren't "going back."

He was a DC here for 2 years...

[milkman]

Like Parcells, or DV, or Marty (who won more playoff games AFTER KC.)

Marty went Ofer in the playoffs in San Diego.

[Bump]

That's a fun conspiracy theory.

If the NFL was really fixed they would have let Vermeil win another SB in KC. WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT STORY BRO.

anything with this much money involved is going to be swayed a little, don't ya think?

[Rausch]

Marty went Ofer in the playoffs in San Diego.

Yep.

I stand corrected...

[Deberg_1990]

Marty went Ofer in the playoffs in San Diego.

Yep. he was 0-2 in two playoff games with the Bolts.

Martys last "NFL" playoff win was Jan 94 with Montana. ROFL

[htismaqe]

I want a proven winner to bring them back to yearly contention.

That seems to be the dominant opinion.

Me, I want something more.

I'd gladly trade two decades of 2-win seasons for one Super Bowl.

[Rausch]

Yep. he was 0-2 in two playoff games with the Bolts.

Martys last "NFL" playoff win was Jan 94 with Montana. ROFL

I lose one Marty and gain a Coughlin...

[htismaqe]

We aren't "going back."

He was a DC here for 2 years...

It's still predominantly nostalgia that's fueling the "Cowher to KC" fires...

[aturnis]

So he can turn Geno into Cordell Stewart?

[Rausch]

That seems to be the dominant opinion.

Me, I want something more.

I'd gladly trade two decades of 2-win seasons for one Super Bowl.

We've already traded our two decades.

I don't have two decades...

[milkman]

I hate Marty.

Everyone knows that.

But I believe that he was a far better coach than Tony Dungy ever was, and paired with Peyton Manning in that Indy situation, I believe he would have won at least SBs and shed the choker tag that hangs around his neck.

I could get behind Cowher with Geno Smith at QB.

[Rausch]

So he can turn Geno into Cordell Stewart?

No one mentioned Chan...

[milkman]

So he can turn Geno into Cordell Stewart?

Kordell Stewart and Geno Smith are not even remotely similar.

[Rausch]

Kordell Stewart and Geno Smith are not even remotely similar.

But you said COWHER + BLACK QB and we know what that means.

Wait, isn't that how we're doing this now?...

[O.city]

That seems to be the dominant opinion.

Me, I want something more.

I'd gladly trade two decades of 2-win seasons for one Super Bowl.

It seems the best chance to win a SB, is to consistently put yourself in a chance to get there.

I know Marty, while in KC, consistently won in the RS, but sputtered int he playoffs.

But he consistently put us in a position where we could have a chance to get there. He just didn't really learn from the reason he kept falling short.

Look at the Pats, Packers, Steelers, Ravens etc, the upper echelon teams. They don't win SB's every year, but they always put themselves ina position to win.

Thats what I want. I want someone who will consistently put us in a spot to win in teh playoffs. A reason I want Cowher, is that this is a unique situation in that who ever comes in here is pretty much going to be forced to build around a QB we draft first overall. It's likely not going to be an option, or hopefully not going to be an option, to win without one.

[King_Chief_Fan]

That seems to be the dominant opinion.

Me, I want something more.

I'd gladly trade two decades of 2-win seasons for one Super Bowl.

You youngsters missed the 1st and 4th superbowl. The one win was sweet.

[O.city]

I hate Marty.

Everyone knows that.

But I believe that he was a far better coach than Tony Dungy ever was, and paired with Peyton Manning in that Indy situation, I believe he would have won at least SBs and shed the choker tag that hangs around his neck.

I could get behind Cowher with Geno Smith at QB.

This is my reason for Cowher, like I just stated, he hopefully isn't going to have a choice to roll with a slapdick at QB.

[TEX]

I'd take Cowher in a second. This team needs a coach with a brand who is a proven winner. I'd also like a GM who has done it before and had success. Let the Coach and GM who know what they're doing - build a team and coach the young guys and QBOTF. Looking back - there were just too many unknowns in the equation. The year KC finished 10-6 under Pioli, Weis and Crennel were known variables. Just my take...

I know Milkman - I'm a DUMBASS...

[Rausch]

It seems the best chance to win a SB, is to consistently put yourself in a chance to get there.

There you go.

Now, how do you get to the playoffs?

1)Solid D.
2)Franchise QB.

Who wins SB's?

Teams that have a franchise QB and solid D...

[htismaqe]

We've already traded our two decades.

I don't have two decades...

It took Cowher a decade and a half to build a Super Bowl winner in Pitt.

Seems he's not a good choice then. :p

[Rausch]

It took Cowher a decade and a half to build a Super Bowl winner in Pitt.

Seems he's not a good choice then. :p

At least he's done it...

[whoman69]

so more of the 'Patriot Way'


:cuss:

No, he's saying that Billichick was GM/HC. So was Jimmy Johnson.

[TEX]

It took Cowher a decade and a half to build a Super Bowl winner in Pitt.

Seems he's not a good choice then. :p

Yeah, but just about every year they were a contender.

[Deberg_1990]

Cowher would bring instant respect, credibility and accountability to that locker room.

[O.city]

If he was available, would you guys take Baltimore Harbaugh?

[BossChief]

You know we all bitch about how Romeos defense wastes the talents of our players on d? Bill Cowhers defense fits our talent PERFECTLY. how about them not giving full effort? BCs players ran through walls for him.

"Kordell Stewart"

Well, BC won a fuckton of games with him and once he got a legit qb, his team was nearly unstoppable and Tomlin has been winning with BCs players the last 7 years.

You know what would be perfect?

Bill is brought in as HC and hires Gailey or Wisenhunt as his OC....hell I'd be happy with Norv as his OC, too.

[O.city]

If it is in fact Cowher as the HC, who does he bring in as a DC?


Just googled Cowher, was gonna do a little research. 3 of the first four were about rumors to the Chiefs.

[BossChief]

If it is in fact Cowher as the HC, who does he bring in as a DC?


Just googled Cowher, was gonna do a little research. 3 of the first four were about rumors to the Chiefs.

He might be able to convince the Steelers to let him have Keith Butler. That would make this defense scary as shit, but I've heard he is in line to replace Dick when he retires. If that's the case, I hope Ron Rivera or Rex Ryan shake loose.

[O.city]

I'm big on Rex, I loved his defenses in Baltimore.

[Easy 6]

I'm in full agreement on Cowher.

Toughness needs to be restored in KC.

This team needs an identity - Under Cowher our defense would provide the team the attitude it is currently lacking.

Cowher has roots in KC, would be a great way to tie things back to the great KC defenses of the past.

Despite how we look on the field, this team can win now with a real QB and a HC who can inspire and lead. KC is a hell of a lot better positioned for the future than Chicago is.

Really want this to happen.

Yeah, i like this post.

[milkman]

I'm big on Rex, I loved his defenses in Baltimore.

I would love Rivera as DC, and I could live with Rex as long as the organization muzzles his dumbass mouth.

[O.city]

Cowher at HC, Wiz at OC, Rex at DC, Trent Dilfer as QB coach.

[O.city]

I would love Rivera as DC, and I could live with Rex as long as the organization muzzles his dumbass mouth.

Both are 34 guys, IIRC.

Plus, I kinda like what Rex would bring to the defense in terms of swagger and nastiness.

[Discuss Thrower]

I hate Marty.

Everyone knows that.

But I believe that he was a far better coach than Tony Dungy ever was, and paired with Peyton Manning in that Indy situation, I believe he would have won at least SBs and shed the choker tag that hangs around his neck.

I could get behind Cowher with Geno Smith at QB.

So Marty needs a QB with enough skill (and sack) to control a game plan from the field..

[O.city]

Cowher at HC, Wiz at OC, Rex at DC, Trent Dilfer as QB coach.

How would you feel about this Milk?

It would instantly bring cred to the franchise, and sell tickets.

[milkman]

So Marty needs a QB with enough skill (and sack) to control a game plan from the field..

I think what he needed was a QB that he trusted fully with the ball in his hands.

I don't believe he ever trusted any of his QBs in critical situations, other than Montana, so he went into full play not to lose mode.

I think Manning needed a HC that took some of the control of the game out of his hands.

I believe that Marty and Manning would have been the perfect marriage of chokers to eliminate the choking.

Two negatives make a positive, so to speak.

[milkman]

How would you feel about this Milk?

It would instantly bring cred to the franchise, and sell tickets.

I am not big on Whisenhunt, and Dilfer would most likely never leave his sweet ESPN gig to coach.

[O.city]

Eh, I just threw Dilfer in there for laughs, I don't give a shit abou tthe QB coach.

[Mr. Laz]

Cowher would bring instant respect, credibility and accountability to that locker room.
until/unless we lost then it would be 'the game has past him by ...'

'he's too old school and doesn't understand the young athletes ...'

[patteeu]

It took Cowher a decade and a half to build a Super Bowl winner in Pitt.

Seems he's not a good choice then. :p

FWIW, Cowher's Steelers never had a top 5 pick in the draft. They only had one top 10 pick in the draft (Plaxico Burress with #8 in 2000) and that was a year when the first three QBs taken were Chad Pennington (#18), Giovanni Carmazzi (3rd round), and Chris Redman (3rd round).

The year he took over the Steelers, he inherited Neil O'Donnell and the only first round QB taken that year in the draft was Tommy Maddox (#25).

They finally got Rothlisberger at #11 in 2004, thirteen years into Cowher's tenure.

I had no idea how horrible Cowher's QB opportunities were for most of his coaching stint.

[patteeu]

Kordell Stewart and Geno Smith are not even remotely similar.

Geno Smith isn't gay?

[Deberg_1990]

Barry Foster for RBs coach!

[Imon Yourside]

We don't and it would probably be a bad move at this point.

[Ultra Peanut]

http://i.minus.com/imNb0YHDElnrK.gif

[BoneKrusher]

The Chiefs need Cowher because they have no Coach.
he's an Upgrade.

[htismaqe]

Both are 34 guys, IIRC.

Plus, I kinda like what Rex would bring to the defense in terms of swagger and nastiness.

I think Rivera uses a 40 front, similar to the 46 they used to run with the Bears.

[htismaqe]

The Chiefs need Cowher because they have no Coach.
he's an Upgrade.

So is Alex Smith. Let's get both.

[BoneKrusher]

So is Alex Smith. Let's get both.

whatever it takes to get on the right track, i'm game.

[mcaj22]

I think Rivera uses a 40 front, similar to the 46 they used to run with the Bears.

he ran a good 34 with those stacked Chargers defenses that failed do anything.

[O.city]

Here is my set up

Tom Gamble as GM
Cowher as HC
Rex as DC
Wiz as the OC

Gonna cost some dough to get them in here, but.

[Mr. Laz]

Here is my set up

Tom Gamble as GM
Cowher as HC
Rex as DC
Wiz as the OC

Gonna cost some dough to get them in here, but.
Isn't part of the reason why Cowher stopped coaching was because he wanted a team to give him more power?

[GloryDayz]

No Super Bowl winning coach has ever won the Super Bowl again with a different team. We know this.

We also know the NFL is fixed.

There wouldn't be a bigger story line in the NFL next year than if the Chiefs, who haven't drafted a QB since Todd Blackledge, were to win the Super Bowl, making Cowher, who has been in the broadcast booth, the first coach to win it all with 2 different teams.

Make it happen, Roger!

Like.

[O.city]

I think so, but I think his wife was sick as well.


Anyway, I don't wanna give him all personnel decisions, but I would like the GM and HC to work together.

[Mr. Laz]

I think so, but I think his wife was sick as well.


Anyway, I don't wanna give him all personnel decisions, but I would like the GM and HC to work together.
yea, now that you mention it, i think i remember something about a sickness too.

I don't know that Cowher will every leave the cushy media job anyway.

[Reerun_KC]

LOL @ Cowher....

Yes please bring back the 90's....

JFC this fanbase is ignorant...

[CoMoChief]

Cowher would keep AND start Cassel.

No thanks.

[patteeu]

Cowher would keep AND start Cassel.

No thanks.

True to form, you're delusional.

[milkman]

True to form, you're delusional.

In most cases you're right.

Here, however, Cowher, about midseason, stated that Cassel was a good QB, and that he wasn't a problem.

[Rausch]

True to form, you're delusional.

In most cases you're right.

LMAO

[MahiMike]

Misleading title. Didn't really say why we need him. Personally I don't want any coach that's been out of the biz for more than 1 year. Crennel coaches like he's still in the 80's and he's had little time off.

[Rausch]

Misleading title. Didn't really say why we need him. Personally I don't want any coach that's been out of the biz for more than 1 year.

That's like saying you're 30+ and don't want a gal with a kid...

[Imon Yourside]

In most cases you're right.

Here, however, Cowher, about midseason, stated that Cassel was a good QB, and that he wasn't a problem.

Yup, absolutely did.....keep him as far away from Arrowhead as possible.

[Rausch]

Yup, absolutely did.....keep him as far away from Arrowhead as possible.

He's fucking paid to talk $3it...

[O.city]

Yeah, it was on a national show, those guys never talk down too much.

[listopencil]

I didn't know where to put this as it doesn't deserve its own thread, but it's kind of cool.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1853g1r8eolehpng/original.png

[HemiEd]

after being in the media booth, is Cowher still 'tough'?

Roethlesburger was to Bill Cowher what Tom Brady is to Bill Bellichick.

Without the QB, they are both Scott Pioli/RAC.

Did Cowher get anywhere with that little gadget QB? (I forget his name) Nope.

Hire another Todd Haley and get a fucking QB, problem solved.

No thanks to Cowher for me.

[listopencil]

I think it's more of an "any given Sunday" kind of thing but I get what the artist was going for.

[O.city]

What do those numbers mean?

[BigMeatballDave]

In most cases you're right.

Here, however, Cowher, about midseason, stated that Cassel was a good QB, and that he wasn't a problem.

Oh shit. I forgot about that.

[listopencil]

What do those numbers mean?

Going clockwise, each time beat the next team by that score.

[Rasputin]

So is Alex Smith. Let's get both.

whatever it takes to get on the right track, i'm game.

I don't curr if you are my friend and I love you bros. I have been neg repping anyone kidding or not that suggest Alex Smith to the Chiefs. I make no exception.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/Railroadrage/Cronkiteisdisapoint.jpg

[O.city]

Roethlesburger was to Bill Cowher what Tom Brady is to Bill Bellichick.

Without the QB, they are both Scott Pioli/RAC.

Did Cowher get anywhere with that little gadget QB? (I forget his name) Nope.

Hire another Todd Haley and get a ****ing QB, problem solved.

No thanks to Cowher for me.

He made it to the SB with a non franchise QB and was consistently in teh playoffs.

[htismaqe]

I don't curr if you are my friend and I love you bros. I have been neg repping anyone kidding or not that suggest Alex Smith to the Chiefs. I make no exception.

That's fine. I deserve it. I've been taking pot shots at Cowher fans all day.

[Reerun_KC]

He made it to the SB with a non franchise QB and was consistently in teh playoffs.

10+ years ago...

No thinks to rehashing yesterdays trash....

[O.city]

I'll say this first, I'm a big Cowher fan. I like the way his teams perform for him, which would be a huge change to what the current Chiefs do.


However, I do get the criticisms for him.

But, seeing where the current fanbase is and the way things are going, I think the next hire will have some nostalgia with it. Like it or not, the next hire is going to be all about restoring the "fandom" here in KC. I know the best way to do that is to win and reestablish what once was.

Granted what once was, was never with a franchise QB, but thats where I'm heading with this next line of thought.

If you bring in Cowher, you can say he didn't win a SB until he got Big Ben, which is true. But in this situation, he's pretty much going to be forced to start with a QB here.

[O.city]

10+ years ago...

No thinks to rehashing yesterdays trash....

So we are throwing out anything and everything that has ever had a tie to the KC chiefs previously, when hiring the next round of coaches?

[DeezNutz]

Roethlesburger was to Bill Cowher what Tom Brady is to Bill Bellichick.

Without the QB, they are both Scott Pioli/RAC.

Did Cowher get anywhere with that little gadget QB? (I forget his name) Nope.

Hire another Todd Haley and get a ****ing QB, problem solved.

No thanks to Cowher for me.

Come on, man.

First six years in Pitts:
64 wins
5 Divisional Championships
5 playoff victories
3 AFC Championship appearances
1 SB appearance (lost to Dallas)

All with jack and shit at QB. I'll take that resume. Please.

[DeezNutz]

10+ years ago...

No thinks to rehashing yesterdays trash....

He's a brilliant coach who is only 55 years old.

He comes to KC, and the organization is instantly legitimate.

[ModSocks]

He's a brilliant coach who is only 55 years old.

He comes to KC, and the organization is instantly legitimate.

This.

I wasn't a big Cowher supporter, but i've been warming up to the idea and i can get on board.

The team will at least be tough and disciplined.

[htismaqe]

He's a brilliant coach who is only 55 years old.

He comes to KC, and the organization is instantly legitimate.

And by the time he's 70, we should be competing for a world championship. :p

[Rausch]

I'll say this first, I'm a big Cowher fan. I like the way his teams perform for him, which would be a huge change to what the current Chiefs do.


However, I do get the criticisms for him.

But, seeing where the current fanbase is and the way things are going, I think the next hire will have some nostalgia with it. Like it or not, the next hire is going to be all about restoring the "fandom" here in KC. I know the best way to do that is to win and reestablish what once was.

Granted what once was, was never with a franchise QB, but thats where I'm heading with this next line of thought.

If you bring in Cowher, you can say he didn't win a SB until he got Big Ben, which is true. But in this situation, he's pretty much going to be forced to start with a QB here.

Right now KC needs that "starter coach" that a lot of college programs hire.

They know they won't hit the top 10 but this is the guy that will build the basics and get them to 5 or 6 bowls.

That's Cowher.

He'll win. He won't shock the league or reinvent the wheel but he'll win...

[dirk digler]

He's a brilliant coach who is only 55 years old.

He comes to KC, and the organization is instantly legitimate.

I would have to be convinced he still has the desire to do what it takes to win after sitting around for the last 5 years. I really am not interested in another Dick Vermeil situation.

[DeezNutz]

And by the time he's 70, we should be competing for a world championship. :p

Oh, another Te'o supporter...

[Rasputin]

It took Cowher a decade and a half to build a Super Bowl winner in Pitt.

Seems he's not a good choice then. :p

I don't think it would take a whole decade with The Chin & Geno Smith for us to win a Super Bowl. I am not big on Cowher, but I also know our defense wouldn't get pushed around like they do now. We would have a sollid team that gets respect again like the 90's. With Geno Smith could put us in Super Bowl contention imo. Just no damn retread QBs & I will be happy.

[Sorter]

Ross:GM
Cowher:HC
Norv:OC
Rex:DC

Eh. I'm pretty iffy about Norv. Maybe he has a career resurgence ala Wade Phillips. I don't know though. Don't really want Cowher but if Kelly is unavailable and we're taking Geno, then fine.

I'd almost go.
HC: Jay Gruden. Jay does enjoy stretching the field vertically with AJ. Geno +PA +Deep ball= :)
OC: Andy Reid (if possible, doubtful IMO)
DC: Rexasaurus Rex.

This is all just off the top of my head so I'll come up with a better list later.

[DeezNutz]

I would have to be convinced he still has the desire to do what it takes to win after sitting around for the last 5 years. I really am not interested in another Dick Vermeil situation.

Vermeil had plenty of desire; his problem was that he's fucking stupid and too loyal to really stupid people.

[O.city]

Cowhers first 6 years in Pitt, he went to 1 SB, 3 AFC Champ games, and in the playoffs every year.

[htismaqe]

Oh, another Te'o supporter...

Touche! :D

[dirk digler]

Vermeil had plenty of desire; his problem was that he's fucking stupid and too loyal to really stupid people.

I am not so sure of his desire plus they had to convince him every year to come back. No thanks. I want someone who is going to be here 10 years minimum.

[htismaqe]

What's really gonna suck is when we end up with Josh McDaniels and Alex Smith.

[Sorter]

What's really gonna suck is when we end up with Josh McDaniels and Alex Smith.

http://s5.tinypic.com/332z6ep.jpg

[O.city]

What's really gonna suck is when we end up with Josh McDaniels and Alex Smith.

No, it really won't.


Cause then I won't give a shit. I'll be enjoying college football and playing golf on Sundays in the fall.

[HemiEd]

He made it to the SB with a non franchise QB and was consistently in teh playoffs.

Well it is the Steelers organization.

The Chiefs were consistently in the playoffs with Marty, you want that again or do you want to win a SB?

[BossChief]

I am not so sure of his desire plus they had to convince him every year to come back. No thanks. I want someone who is going to be here 10 years minimum.

Why?

Hiring a guy like Bill would be a perfect situation for getting premium coordinators because they know they can not only have success under him, but that he wont be here forever so the opportunities for advancement are there, too.

Plus, it's not like the guy is all that old.

[htismaqe]

Well it is the Steelers organization.

The Chiefs were consistently in the playoffs with Marty, you want that again or do you want to win a SB?

Kind of how I feel.

[htismaqe]

No, it really won't.


Cause then I won't give a shit. I'll be enjoying college football and playing golf on Sundays in the fall.

Good point.

[O.city]

I view it all about statistics. To win the SB, you have to give yourself as many opportunities as possible to get there. Of course there is that anomaly, like the Cards who have a somewhat flash in the pan and get there.

But, there are so many factors that go into winning SB's. Having a franchise QB and a good coach are a start, but thats not enough. Otherwise, we'd see a Pats dynasty like no other.

Statistics are also a reason why I'd be against Cowher, seeing as the "rule" comes into effect here.

[HemiEd]

Come on, man.

First six years in Pitts:
64 wins
5 Divisional Championships
5 playoff victories
3 AFC Championship appearances
1 SB appearance (lost to Dallas)

All with jack and shit at QB. I'll take that resume. Please.

What years were those again? Do you really think the game is the same?

Those were the years right after he left the Chiefs as a hot DC.

To be totally honest, I would take Haley back first, twice even.

[O.city]

Well it is the Steelers organization.

The Chiefs were consistently in the playoffs with Marty, you want that again or do you want to win a SB?

Difference is, Cowher actually won in the playoffs.


If you guys have a sure system or guy that will win us a SB, I'm all ears.

But I do know that Cowher consistently put a solid team on the field and won in the playoffs.

[O.city]

What years were those again? Do you really think the game is the same?

Those were the years right after he left the Chiefs as a hot DC.

To be totally honest, I would take Haley back first, twice even.

Even more case for Cowher.


He won that way, figured out it didn't work to win the SB, got a franchise QB and won the other way.

[HemiEd]

Kind of how I feel.

It took me 8 years on here, but I am sick of the same old crap, sucking the left over hind tit.

Cowher was spent when he left the Steelers, maybe even burned out. Does he have the fire again? I would rather see them hire someone that we know has the fire and desire to get it done.

[dirk digler]

Why?

Hiring a guy like Bill would be a perfect situation for getting premium coordinators because they know they can not only have success under him, but that he wont be here forever so the opportunities for advancement are there, too.

Plus, it's not like the guy is all that old.

I will say this after reading what Cowher has said about returning if he does I have no doubt he will put in maximum effort. My concern is still though is are you going to have to worry about him returning the next year. This organization needs stability we can't be switching out coaches every 3-4 years.

So ideally I would like to see a new GM\HC and QB be together for the next 10 years and if Cowher could commit to at least most of that then I would support it.

[O.city]

It took me 8 years on here, but I am sick of the same old crap, sucking the left over hind tit.

Cowher was spent when he left the Steelers, maybe even burned out. Does he have the fire again? I would rather see them hire someone that we know has the fire and desire to get it done.

Josh McDaniels is probably pretty pumped and has the fire. :D

[MahiMike]

If we're talking retreads, give me Holmgren. Both of these guys had balls when it came to the playoffs. Onside kicks, letting the runner score to keep more clock time, etc.

Hell, if Dick Vermiel had onside-kicked it after every TD in the 'no punt' playoff game, he may still be here.

[BossChief]

Well it is the Steelers organization.

The Chiefs were consistently in the playoffs with Marty, you want that again or do you want to win a SB?

If Marty started off with a QB like Geno in 1989, we would have won a lot of those playoff games...

QB TRUMPS EVERYTHING.

If we hire Bill and draft Geno...buckle up because it's gonna be one heck of a ride.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Marty started off with a QB like Geno in 1989, we would have won a lot of those playoff games...

QB TRUMPS EVERYTHING.

If we hire Bill and draft Geno...buckle up because it's gonna be one heck of a ride.

If Marty had gotten Troy Aikman instead of Derrick Thomas is what you are trying to get at.

[O.city]

So we don't want Cowher, what about Gruden?

[BossChief]

If Marty had gotten Troy Aikman instead of Derrick Thomas is what you are trying to get at.

Exactly. Shit, They valued qb so much that they also drafted another qb right after iirc. I'd have to look it up, but I think they took qbs with their top two picks back then.

[ChiefsCountry]

Exactly. Shit, They valued qb so much that they also drafted another qb right after iirc. I'd have to look it up, but I think they took qbs with their top two picks back then.

Supplemental draft. Jimmy took Steve Walsh, who was his quarterback at the U.

[HemiEd]

If Marty started off with a QB like Geno in 1989, we would have won a lot of those playoff games...

QB TRUMPS EVERYTHING.

If we hire Bill and draft Geno...buckle up because it's gonna be one heck of a ride.

When you put it that way it sounds very appealing, but I am a very long way from being convinced that this team will draft Geno.

I have gone from being the biggest homer this board had ever seen, to being a realist.

Cowher was all over Cassel's nuts not too long ago, when even the most casual observer can tell he just didn't have it. At the same time, all the experts are not on Geno's nuts.

When you put that with the team's actual history (safe picks) call me skeptical of it happening.

But if you guaranteed me that the Chiefs would draft Geno, and Cowher had a long term Viagra prescription, I would settle for that.

[htismaqe]

So we don't want Cowher, what about Gruden?

To quote Bo Pelini, "I don't care."

[O.city]

To quote Bo Pelini, "I don't care."

I just can't get on board with Gruden, without circling back to wanting Cowher more.


I know this goes against the board bylaws, and call me crazy, but damn it I want the 90's back. I want to be able to watch and enjoy Chiefs football. I don't want the losing in the playoffs heartbreak back, but


I also want the franchise QB. The top flight great QB, who is going to be there for us when we draft first overall.

[HemiEd]

I just can't get on board with Gruden, without circling back to wanting Cowher more.


I know this goes against the board bylaws, and call me crazy, but damn it I want the 90's back. I want to be able to watch and enjoy Chiefs football. I don't want the losing in the playoffs heartbreak back, but


I also want the franchise QB. The top flight great QB, who is going to be there for us when we draft first overall.

That is exactly where I was at after the Herm era, prior to the Pioli tenure, wanting the Marty years back.

But now, I am used to expecting and watching a train wreck. Moved on.

If they are going to get me fired up again, it will be because they have a chance to win the whole fucking thing.

[Mr. Laz]

Hire another Todd Haley
another crazy asshat?

another hot,prodigy coach with no track record?

completely unproven HC candidate?


:D

[Rausch]

Fuck all your opinions.

I don't want a prospect or hot commodity - WHO CAN WE HIRE THAT HAS PROVEN HE CAN WIN!?!

[O.city]

That is exactly where I was at after the Herm era, prior to the Pioli tenure, wanting the Marty years back.

But now, I am used to expecting and watching a train wreck. Moved on.

If they are going to get me fired up again, it will be because they have a chance to win the whole ****ing thing.

See, though in the 90's they did have multiple chances to win the whole fucking thing, they just never pulled it off.


Thats what you have to do. You have to continually put yourself in that position. We know you need a franchise QB and a great Coach, but that isn't enough. It's not gonna be an automatic thing.

The 90's with a franchise QB would have been really really good.

Thats what I want.

The 90's with a franchise QB. One of those are likely gonna be available when we draft this year.

[HemiEd]

another crazy asshat?

another hot,prodigy coach with no track record?

completely unproven HC candidate?


:D

In a heartbeat. I am starting to think of recycled coaches, similar to recycled QBs.

Do not want!

If Pioli hadn't driven Haley clear over the edge, we would probably have our coach right now.

[BossChief]

Just look what Bill was able to accomplish with Neil Odonnel and Kordell Stewart and then watch some Geno Smith youtubes.

Wanna talk about installing a winning culture...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's no coincidence at all that as soon as he finally got his QB, that he finally won the big one. If anyone knows the importance of the position, it's him.

[O.city]

I know the 90's sucked, but that was the "golden Chief" years. We don't need to forget it and run from it.


We need to embrace it and learn from it.

Hell, look at this years Texans and 9ers. They are basically playing 90's style Chiefs football with one exception. They try to attack you on offense with their franchise QB's.

[HemiEd]

See, though in the 90's they did have multiple chances to win the whole ****ing thing, they just never pulled it off.


Thats what you have to do. You have to continually put yourself in that position. We know you need a franchise QB and a great Coach, but that isn't enough. It's not gonna be an automatic thing.

The 90's with a franchise QB would have been really really good.

Thats what I want.

The 90's with a franchise QB. One of those are likely gonna be available when we draft this year.
I know that feeling well, owned it.

But the idea of building a team and then adding a serviceable QB, is not going to work. This team has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is what the 90s were.

Did Cowher get lucky with Roethlesberger, I think so.

I think anyone on CP would take the 90s with a true franchise QB. But the priority has to be the QB, and keep trying until you get one, even more so now.

[dirk digler]

If the choice came down to either Cowher or Gruden I would take Cowher every time.

[Reerun_KC]

**** all your opinions.

I don't want a prospect or hot commodity - WHO CAN WE HIRE THAT HAS PROVEN HE CAN WIN!?!

The words that Chiefs fans hang on...

The word "proven" is why this franchise is a "failure" Zero risk ='s Zero rewards...

but hey, dont screw up our party on sunday... 9-7 FTMFW!!!!!!

[Reerun_KC]

If the choice came down to either Cowher or Gruden I would take Cowher every time.

I would rather vote Aids....

[TEX]

I know that feeling well, owned it.

But the idea of building a team and then adding a serviceable QB, is not going to work. This team has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is what the 90s were.

Did Cowher get lucky with Roethlesberger, I think so.

I think anyone on CP would take the 90s with a true franchise QB. But the priority has to be the QB, and keep trying until you get one, even more so now.

What do you mean by lucky? Because Big Ben fell to him in the draft? According to Ben, Cowher told him that he was his guy and would pick him if available. He was, and Cowher did just as he said. Point is Cowher identified Ben as the guy he wanted going in.

[O.city]

I know that feeling well, owned it.

But the idea of building a team and then adding a serviceable QB, is not going to work. This team has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is what the 90s were.

Did Cowher get lucky with Roethlesberger, I think so.

I think anyone on CP would take the 90s with a true franchise QB. But the priority has to be the QB, and keep trying until you get one, even more so now.

See you aren't getting me. I don't wanna add a serviceable QB. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that we are about to draft a franchise bad ass QB first overal.

Did Cowher get lucky with Rothlesberger? Did Bill get lucky with Brady? Dungy with Manning? Walsh with Montana? Coughlin with Eli?


I don't really see how that is getting lucky?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Give him a franchise QB, you're a contender every year. It's that simple.

[TEX]

If the choice came down to either Cowher or Gruden I would take Cowher every time.

Yep. All day long.

[O.city]

The words that Chiefs fans hang on...

The word "proven" is why this franchise is a "failure" Zero risk ='s Zero rewards...

but hey, dont screw up our party on sunday... 9-7 FTMFW!!!!!!

The party on Sunday has been over for a while.


If you have this idea of who is the next big thing, I'm all ears.

[HemiEd]

See you aren't getting me. I don't wanna add a serviceable QB. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that we are about to draft a franchise bad ass QB first overal.

Did Cowher get lucky with Rothlesberger? Did Bill get lucky with Brady? Dungy with Manning? Walsh with Montana? Coughlin with Eli?


I don't really see how that is getting lucky?


Oh I get you, and think I was clear. The 90s with a true franchise QB would be awesome, but they weren't with a true franchise QB.

I think everyone of those picks were lucky/risky except Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck this last year. Guarantees don't come along very often.

But you can't get lucky and hit on a franchise QB like that if you don't try, and that has been this team's problem. 30 years without trying or taking a risk. They have preferred to trade away picks for a mediocre guarantee.

They needed to sell tickets, and build a 10-6 team to sell those tickets after the terrible 70s and 80s, and they did.

I noticed you haven't commented about the obvious burn out that Cowher had gone through. What do you think about that? Has he recovered?

[O.city]

Obvious burn out? Thought he stepped down due to the fact that his wife had cancer?

[HemiEd]

The words that Chiefs fans hang on...

The word "proven" is why this franchise is a "failure" Zero risk ='s Zero rewards...

but hey, dont screw up our party on sunday... 9-7 FTMFW!!!!!!

That is being disengenuous, everyone knows that 10-6 has been the goal.

[O.city]

Oh I get you, and think I was clear. The 90s with a true franchise QB would be awesome, but they weren't with a true franchise QB.

I think everyone of those picks were lucky/risky except Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck this last year. Guarantees don't come along very often.

But you can't get lucky and hit on a franchise QB like that if you don't try, and that has been this team's problem. 30 years without trying or taking a risk. They have preferred to trade away picks for a mediocre guarantee.

They needed to sell tickets, and build a 10-6 team to sell those tickets after the terrible 70s and 80s, and they did.

I noticed you haven't commented about the obvious burn out that Cowher had gone through. What do you think about that? Has he recovered?

Well, they are about to take a risk. Because we are drafting a Qb number 1 overall this year.

So then by your thought, our next HC will be "lucky" to win a SB because there isnt' a franchise QB sure thing in this draft?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Cowher plus Geno equals welcome back Arrowhead.

[O.city]

I would be completely on board with going with Chip Kelly or Brian Kelly.

But i also understand that part of this decision is going to be based on "restoring" the fans after what they've gone thru the past 8 years.


Right or wrong, I think that will play a part in it.

And by hiring Cowher and drafting Geno first overall, that sells your season tickets, just like that.

[HemiEd]

Obvious burn out? Thought he stepped down due to the fact that his wife had cancer?

I am just going from memory here from the timing. I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone that he was spent and burned out, just watching and listening to him. He was very high profile at the time.

He quit after a mediocre season following the SB win, not right after a SB victory.

His wife did die 4 years later, but I don't recall cancer even being mentioned at the time. He just mentioned spending more time with his family, but that is a pretty common reason.

I could be all wrong, but that is the way I saw it at the time.

[patteeu]

In most cases you're right.

It can be a heavy burden. I try not to let it go to my head. :p

Here, however, Cowher, about midseason, stated that Cassel was a good QB, and that he wasn't a problem.

I'm aware of Cowher's statement. IMO, there's no way he continues to believe that if he comes in as GM [edit: I meant "coach"] with the #1 pick in hand and I doubt that he really believed it at the time.

[HemiEd]

Well, they are about to take a risk. Because we are drafting a Qb number 1 overall this year.

So then by your thought, our next HC will be "lucky" to win a SB because there isnt' a franchise QB sure thing in this draft?

Do you see one?

If it really is Geno, do you think the Chiefs are as convinced as you, to spend their only #1 pick overall ever on him, after not taking a 1st round QB in 30 years?

If Geno had half the buzz going for him that Eric Berry did a couple years ago, I would feel more confident, and maybe he will by draft time hopefully.

I hope so, but I am not so sure. Could he bust? Hell yes he can.

Heck, Joe Montana wasn't even a sure thing, if I recall correctly, he went in the third round.

[O.city]

Do you see one?

If it really is Geno, do you think the Chiefs are as convinced as you, to spend their only #1 pick overall ever on him, after not taking a 1st round QB in 30 years?

If Geno had half the buzz going for him that Eric Berry did a couple years ago, I would feel more confident, and maybe he will by draft time hopefully.

I hope so, but I am not so sure. Could he bust? Hell yes he can.

Heck, Joe Montana wasn't even a sure thing, if I recall correctly, he went in the third round.

It's not even to evaluation time yet, give it time.

The Chiefs are absolutely taking a QB if they have the first overall pick this year.

[htismaqe]

If Geno had half the buzz going for him that Eric Berry did a couple years ago, I would feel more confident, and maybe he will by draft time hopefully.

Ironic.

The only times I can remember this board being SO galvanized about a single draft prospect were Eric Berry and Derrick Johnson.

Look how those turned out...

:hmmm:

[O.city]

Parker, if you knew we would be pairing him with Geno, would you be more onboard for Cowher?

[Sorter]

Parker, if you knew we would be pairing him with Geno, would you be more onboard for Cowher?

As much as I don't want Cowher, if it was mandated he take Geno I'd support it. Not that that means shit but I think Cowher + Geno is definitely better than Cowher + Rapist.

[HemiEd]

Ironic.

The only times I can remember this board being SO galvanized about a single draft prospect were Eric Berry and Derrick Johnson.

Look how those turned out...

:hmmm:

Exactly. It took Derrick quite a while, but it did happen.

[Titty Meat]

Ironic.

The only times I can remember this board being SO galvanized about a single draft prospect were Eric Berry and Derrick Johnson.

Look how those turned out...

:hmmm:

Well DJ is a pro bowler and Berry is finally catching up to his pro bowl rookie season. Looks good for Geno :)

[O.city]

As much as I don't want Cowher, if it was mandated he take Geno I'd support it. Not that that means shit but I think Cowher + Geno is definitely better than Cowher + Rapist.

Why no to Cowher?

[Sorter]

Why no to Cowher?

Because if the rumors are true, he wants to be in control of Personnel. I'm not really too fond of that; I feel that having a competent GM, Director of College scouting, and Director of player personnel that includes the Head and Assistant coaches within the draft/scouting process is a much better formula, as it provides more ideas and discussion. Granted 1 person has to make the decision but when you get a room of people that are a) close minded or B) too scared to make their opinion heard, then you're setting your franchise back IMO.

[Carter]

Would boost season ticket sells

[O.city]

Because if the rumors are true, he wants to be in control of Personnel. I'm not really too fond of that; I feel that having a competent GM, Director of College scouting, and Director of player personnel that includes the Head and Assistant coaches within the draft/scouting process is a much better formula, as it provides more ideas and discussion. Granted 1 person has to make the decision but when you get a room of people that are a) close minded or B) too scared to make their opinion heard, then you're setting your franchise back IMO.

Yeah, see I want that as well.


If Cowher wants some input, fine, but should be known that he wont' be making the decision.

[BoneKrusher]

made this a couple years ago:
http://i35.tinypic.com/uplog.png

[HemiEd]

Would boost season ticket sells

Is that the goal?

[O.city]

Is that the goal?

No, but I would imagine it's part of the equation.

[whoman69]

I'd rather see Cowher as GM because of the aforementioned nobody has ever done it before statement. I just don't think anyone has the energy to try to turn two organizations to the path needed. Jimmy Johnson, George Seiffert, Tuna, Hank Stram etc. couldn't do it. I don't think it can be done.

[O.city]

QB's have never done it either, would you have not taken Manning this year?

[htismaqe]

Is that the goal?

For Clark, yes.

[htismaqe]

Parker, if you knew we would be pairing him with Geno, would you be more onboard for Cowher?

I'm on record saying I'd take PIOLI back if I had to choose between dumping him OR taking Geno.

Geno + anybody sounds pretty good to me. I think the QB is FAR more important than the HC.

[ModSocks]

For every pro sports franchise owner, yes.

FYP

[htismaqe]

Exactly. It took Derrick quite a while, but it did happen.

Well DJ is a pro bowler and Berry is finally catching up to his pro bowl rookie season. Looks good for Geno :)

That wasn't my point.

My point was that the last time 80% or more of the board seemed to be clamoring for ONE GUY, we drafted him.

[HemiEd]

That wasn't my point.

My point was that the last time 80% or more of the board seemed to be clamoring for ONE GUY, we drafted him.

Agreed, and hopefully, it happens again.

But my point was, for the first three years of DJs career, most of this board gave up on him and was ready to get rid of him. I credit Haley for making it turn out the way it has.

But I also think most of the board would gladly trade him for Aaron Rodgers, a pick the Chiefs passed over in that draft.

[Deberg_1990]

Cowher plus Geno equals welcome back Arrowhead.

Exactly. Chiefs fans would go absolutely nuts over that.

[O.city]

That wasn't my point.

My point was that the last time 80% or more of the board seemed to be clamoring for ONE GUY, we drafted him.

Just more reason we have to get everyone on board with Geno. It's destiny.

[Sorter]

I'm on record saying I'd take PIOLI back if I had to choose between dumping him OR taking Geno.

Geno + anybody sounds pretty good to me. I think the QB is FAR more important than the HC.

Wut? I think you needs to edit it.

[RNR]

He is not going to give up a good life with plenty of time off and great pay to go back to the pressure of coaching and the 18 days that come with it. He is still close to the game he loves without all the crap that comes with coaching. Simply not going to happen~

[O.city]

You hope not.

[htismaqe]

Wut? I think you needs to edit it.

I don't know how to word it, I'm retarded.

If I was faced with the choice of:

1) retaining Pioli and drafting Geno or
2) firing Pioli but NOT drafting Geno

I would take #1.

So if you ask would I take Cowher + Geno, the answer is yes.

I'd take Norv Turner + Geno.

[RNR]

You hope not.

It matters little to me one way or the other. I will put a sig bet on it for the fun of it~

[O.city]

I'v eput my coaching staff out there, and it will cost some dough to go get, but


Cowher HC
Rex DC
Wiz OC

And Geno of course.

[O.city]

It matters little to me one way or the other. I will put a sig bet on it for the fun of it~

I'm just shittin ya.

I don't care who it is as long as Raiders Chiefs gets back to being the deciding factor for the AFC West and the games are nasty.

[patteeu]

Because if the rumors are true, he wants to be in control of Personnel. I'm not really too fond of that; I feel that having a competent GM, Director of College scouting, and Director of player personnel that includes the Head and Assistant coaches within the draft/scouting process is a much better formula, as it provides more ideas and discussion. Granted 1 person has to make the decision but when you get a room of people that are a) close minded or B) too scared to make their opinion heard, then you're setting your franchise back IMO.

IMO, being the final authority on personnel doesn't mean you abandon your scouting system and your director of personnel. It just means that when the coach wants a defensive player and his GM wants a woman-spitting, Jay-Z loving, headcase RB, the coach gets his defensive player instead of the other way around.

[htismaqe]

IMO, being the final authority on personnel doesn't mean you abandon your scouting system and your director of personnel. It just means that when the coach wants a defensive player and his GM wants a woman-spitting, Jay-Z loving, headcase RB, the coach gets his defensive player instead of the other way around.

Um, your hypothetical is constructed from a REAL event and the said defensive player coach wanted was TYLER BRAYTON.

Not exactly the best example. ;)

[O.city]

There isnt' a perfect coach, or GM or prospect. You take the guy with the least amount of flaws.


Lets just get this shit turned around, thats what we all want.

[RNR]

I'm just shittin ya.

I don't care who it is as long as Raiders Chiefs gets back to being the deciding factor for the AFC West and the games are nasty.

It is something I wish would happen also. I still enjoy it when Oakland beats KC or anybody for that matter :) I watch the NFL for fun and will always will pull for my Raiders. I don't care how bad they are I cannot bring myself to pull for them to lose no matter what draft pick is available. It would be cool to see them play games that matter again~

[Titty Meat]

There isnt' a perfect coach, or GM or prospect. You take the guy with the least amount of flaws.


Lets just get this shit turned around, thats what we all want.

Cowher is a perfect coach for this team.

[O.city]

It definitely makes the games alot more fun, when they are both fighting for a playoff spot.


An AFC Championship in KC between the AFC Champ Chiefs and WC Raiders would be epic.

[BossChief]

Cowher is a perfect coach for this team.

Absolutely.

I JIMPd when I read (from Marty) that Clark already fired Pioli and had already talked to Bill Cowher.

Buckle up tight

[RNR]

It definitely makes the games alot more fun, when they are both fighting for a playoff spot.


An AFC Championship in KC between the AFC Champ Chiefs and WC Raiders would be epic.

Hopefully we will see it or at least a battle for the West in a few years~

[O.city]

I dunno


I've talked myself into it, and been talked out of it by Parker about 4 times today.

[Sorter]

I don't know how to word it, I'm retarded.

If I was faced with the choice of:

1) retaining Pioli and drafting Geno or
2) firing Pioli but NOT drafting Geno

I would take #1.

So if you ask would I take Cowher + Geno, the answer is yes.

I'd take Norv Turner + Geno.

Weeee!!!!

[Sorter]

IMO, being the final authority on personnel doesn't mean you abandon your scouting system and your director of personnel. It just means that when the coach wants a defensive player and his GM wants a woman-spitting, Jay-Z loving, headcase RB, the coach gets his defensive player instead of the other way around.

True. I think however, we've been privy to a situation in which nobody had any real input and the decisions were made despite the HC's approval.

Tyson Jackson, for example. Although Pioli was nice and let Haley (presumably because Pitt drafted an identical player in Rainey with more speed) get DMC.

[htismaqe]

I dunno


I've talked myself into it, and been talked out of it by Parker about 4 times today.

That's because I'm awesome.

I'll take Cowher but he's not my first choice.

[hometeam]

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looks good to me

[Easy 6]

If we get Cowher, i'd love to use the steelers attacking style 3-4.

If LeBeau has a highly qualified protege, steal him.

[philfree]

Originally I wasn't but I'm down for some Cowher Power. He'll bring back the attitude, the D and the homefield advantage. Cowher Power!

[BoneKrusher]

Originally I wasn't but I'm down for some Cowher Power. He'll bring back the attitude, the D and the homefield advantage. Cowher Power!

agreed.

[Sorter]

If we get Cowher, i'd love to use the steelers attacking style 3-4.

If LeBeau has a highly qualified protege, steal him.

Keith Butler, but he isn't leaving. Had this been done a few years earlier, you might have been able to pluck Ray Horton and groom him.

[O.city]

IF you get Cowher, I'd bring in Rex if he's fired.

[htismaqe]

IF you get Cowher, I'd bring in Rex if he's fired.

He won't be.

[O.city]

He won't be.

You don't think he would be?


After the QB debacle, I'd say it's pretty much a given.

[Sorter]

He won't be.

I think Tannenbaum is fired before Rex but I wouldn't be shocked to see them nuke that from orbit.

[O.city]

I think they are all gone in the Jets FO and I dont' see Rex hanging on

That team got old and slow fast on offense.


And they are basically in the Chiefs normal situation in that they won some meaningless games and now have a crater size hole at QB>

[Sorter]

I think they are all gone in the Jets FO and I dont' see Rex hanging on

That team got old and slow fast on offense.


And they are basically in the Chiefs normal situation in that they won some meaningless games and now have a crater size hole at QB>

Agree. I'm curious as to why Shon Greene fell off the map, did he get hurt?

[cyborgtable]

I think Tannenbaum is fired before Rex but I wouldn't be shocked to see them nuke that from orbit.

If Tannenbaum is fired you don't think another GM will keep Rex?

[Easy 6]

Keith Butler, but he isn't leaving. Had this been done a few years earlier, you might have been able to pluck Ray Horton and groom him.

Drats.

Oh well, i guess, i'm still just enjoying being awash in the glow of a fresh start.

[ROYC75]

That wasn't my point.

My point was that the last time 80% or more of the board seemed to be clamoring for ONE GUY, we drafted him.

In DJ's case, he fell to us, literally. Plus we all knew he was the consensus # 1 LB in the draft.

[O.city]

Agree. I'm curious as to why Shon Greene fell off the map, did he get hurt?

No and that oline is pretty good.


I think he got "Sanchez'd". He's facing what Charles normally faces, 8 in the box all the time and he can't do what he does.

[htismaqe]

In DJ's case, he feel to us, literally.

Which makes it all the more incredible...

Geno Smith is gonna be a Chief, methinks...

[O.city]

We're gonna be taking a QB, it's just a matter of which one.


New GM's and front offices mean new QB's. It's the way things go.

[cyborgtable]

Agree. I'm curious as to why Shon Greene fell off the map, did he get hurt?

A combination of things, more than just being Sanchezed. We let good O-lineman walk and replaced them with crap. Switched from primarily a zone scheme to a pulling scheme with guards who don't pull well, and tackles who don't drive people off the ball. All this in addition to a lack of burst, he can wear on you but can't take advantage of small holes or small windows to break it open.

[Easy 6]

We're gonna be taking a QB, it's just a matter of which one.

We need to pull a shanny and take TWO.

Time to go BALLS DEEP on quarterbacks.

[O.city]

I don't really knwo about that. I'd take one and roll with that.

[Sorter]

If Tannenbaum is fired you don't think another GM will keep Rex?

Depends on who they hire. If they promote from within, maybe. I think it is likely both go.

[Sorter]

A combination of things, more than just being Sanchezed. We let good O-lineman walk and replaced them with crap. Switched from primarily a zone scheme to a pulling scheme with guards who don't pull well, and tackles who don't drive people off the ball. All this in addition to a lack of burst, he can wear on you but can't take advantage of small holes or small windows to break it open.

Too bad. Is his contract up this year or next?

[cyborgtable]

I am fairly certain its up at the end of this year. I think he would be a perfect backup somewhere. I'm more partial to Powell as a backup as I think he is a better blocker, receiver, has slightly higher ypc this season, and went to UofL

[O.city]

Meh, Rb's aren't that hard to find.


You guys, like us, have got to upgrade the QB spot. We're gonnna be in a good spot to get one, not sure about NYJ.


What are your thoughts on Rex staying?

[chiefzilla1501]

Cowher's fine, but he has to get out of his old school approach where he runs first with a smash mouth run game to open up the passing game. I'm not that convinced he will.

I dunno. I'm sick of retreads.

[O.city]

Depends who he brings in as OC. If it's Norv, I'd be fine with it.

[Sorter]

I am fairly certain its up at the end of this year. I think he would be a perfect backup somewhere. I'm more partial to Powell as a backup as I think he is a better blocker, receiver, has slightly higher ypc this season, and went to UofL

Definitely. I think he could be a great guy to spell and then utilize during the post season, as IIRC he had quite a bit of success when he was fresh. I'm not a Greene expert though and haven't watched many Jets games.

[Sorter]

Cowher's fine, but he has to get out of his old school approach where he runs first with a smash mouth run game to open up the passing game. I'm not that convinced he will.

I dunno. I'm sick of retreads.

I'm okay with that philosophy if you have a QB who can throw accurately down the field via PA and check you out of bad plays. Incidentally, that's probably what Geno is going to be asked to do quite a bit as a rookie.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Cowher is hired and Ken Whisenhunt is fired, you will potentially have some of Cowher's Steeler staff available.

Ken Whisenhunt - OC
Russ Grimm - OL
Kevin Spencer - Special Teams

Maybe Ray Horton to be DC if he doesn't get a head coaching gig, if not you have Darren Perry in Green Bay for DC. Played under Cowher, coached under Cowher and then Dom Capers in Green Bay.

[cyborgtable]

I'm okay with that philosophy if you have a QB who can throw accurately down the field via PA and check you out of bad plays. Incidentally, that's probably what Geno is going to be asked to do quite a bit as a rookie.

Yup, people tend to forget that the Saints run the ball a ton, and they run a smashmouth style while they run. If you get a good qb to go with that the sky is the limit

[jd1020]

I wouldn't mind Cowher if he doesn't demand full control. Fuck dictatorships.

[Sorter]

Yup, people tend to forget that the Saints run the ball a ton, and they run a smashmouth style while they run. If you get a good qb to go with that the sky is the limit
It's so simple!!

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[htismaqe]

The one thing we are pretty sure Cowher will bring is a 1-gap 3-4.

This would be an ideal situation, IMO.

Switching to 4-3 would require too much and the system we run now sucks.

[whoman69]

The one thing we are pretty sure Cowher will bring is a 1-gap 3-4.

This would be an ideal situation, IMO.

Switching to 4-3 would require too much and the system we run now sucks.

I'd worry more about the offense. The path on D is clear. It took him how long to realize he needed a franchise QB to compete? I'd rather see Cowher as a GM that sets the direction for the franchise and can recognize what the coach will need to succeed.

[htismaqe]

I'd worry more about the offense. The path on D is clear. It took him how long to realize he needed a franchise QB to compete? I'd rather see Cowher as a GM that sets the direction for the franchise and can recognize what the coach will need to succeed.

If you're worried about his views on franchise QBs, the LAST PLACE you should probably have him is at GM.

[ROYC75]

If Cowher is hired and Ken Whisenhunt is fired, you will potentially have some of Cowher's Steeler staff available.

Ken Whisenhunt - OC
Russ Grimm - OL
Kevin Spencer - Special Teams

Maybe Ray Horton to be DC if he doesn't get a head coaching gig, if not you have Darren Perry in Green Bay for DC. Played under Cowher, coached under Cowher and then Dom Capers in Green Bay.


I would rather see this .....

Norv Turner - OC
Trent Green - QB coach
Russ Grimm - OL
Kevin Spencer - Special Teams
Clarence Brooks - DC ? IMHO, He's over due for a chance. I think Cowher could do wonders with this guy.

[kcbubb]

The one thing we are pretty sure Cowher will bring is a 1-gap 3-4.

This would be an ideal situation, IMO.

Switching to 4-3 would require too much and the system we run now sucks.

If we switch to a one gap, 3-4, I could see Cowher taking one of those highly rated DTs with the first pick. Watch what you wish for.

[htismaqe]

If we switch to a one gap, 3-4, I could see Cowher taking one of those highly rated DTs with the first pick. Watch what you wish for.

What?

If we stay with the 2-gap, they could use Star.

If we switch to a 4-3, they could use Star.

This is a BS argument.

[chiefzilla1501]

Yup, people tend to forget that the Saints run the ball a ton, and they run a smashmouth style while they run. If you get a good qb to go with that the sky is the limit

Well... This is my concern. I don't think cowher has ever had a qb throw over 3,500 yards. He uses the run to set up the pass. The saints are the opposite. I fear cowhers offensive approach is too old school.

As I've said... I'm more intrigued by gruden, because he has taken a ton of interest in the spread, which makes it really intriguing to think about how his offense will look when he comes back.