Official: Andy Reid Signs His Contract

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Press Conference at 1pm on Monday.

Rejoice Brothers and Sisters!

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[Munson]

In.

[xbarretx]

Print it!

["Bob" Dobbs]

Fucking awesome.

[NJChiefsFan]

Is there a reason they traveled back to the early 80's to sign it?

[Bwana]

Yeyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

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[ChiTown]

Hell yes!

[Gadzooks]

Nice tie.

[Belial]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit yea. IN.

[TribalElder]

i like money

[big nasty kcnut]

Boom!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Nice tie.

You guys going to celebrate Lovie?

[xbarretx]

Is there a reason they traveled back to the early 80's to sign it?

Because they don't sell plutonium on any corner drugstore.

[Rasputin]

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[REDHOTGTO]

unbelvieable i cant believe clark really went out and got the best canidate available !
no bargain basement leftover washed out half baked asst. coach this time !
i think this is the best move for this team he could make , i wish it was september now so we could get started !

[Red Beans]

Boner. I have one.

[mr. tegu]

Any ideas on the details of the contract?

[arrowheadnation]

Feels good man....

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[the Talking Can]

Clark offered him a bonus for signing...'whores or bbq?'

Reid said 'whorbbq..........."

[big nasty kcnut]

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[Thig Lyfe]

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[bevischief]

Clark offered him a bonus for signing...'whores or bbq?'

Reid said 'whorbbq..........."

How many pounds of?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Kudos to Clark, you are Da Man!!!!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Any ideas on the details of the contract?

Rumor has it Reid will recieve paychecks in exchange for assuming HC responsibilities.

[mr. tegu]

Rumor has it Reid will recieve paychecks in exchange for assuming HC responsibilities.

That is a bit different but I guess we need to try something different.

[Iowanian]

AN-DAY! We got dancers in KC

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[Sofa King]

Is there a reason they traveled back to the early 80's to sign it?

LMAO

That's what i thought too.

[Cannibal]

Clark offered him a bonus for signing...'whores or bbq?'

Reid said 'whorbbq..........."

NO SAUCE!

[MotherfuckerJones]

Is there a reason they traveled back to the early 80's to sign it?

ROFL Thought the same myself. Hey its 2013 why such a shitty picture quality

[Exoter175]

That picture is worth a thousand words, or in Andy's case, millions of dollars. I'm not a big time Reid fan, but I'm a huge fan of what Clark is trying to accomplish here and who Reid is going to bring in staff-wise.

I'm sure my opinion of Reid is going to change very quickly here. I don't think I"ve been this excited for an off season in quite some time.

[Thig Lyfe]

ROFL Thought the same myself. Hey its 2013 why such a shitty picture quality

Instagram?

[AussieChiefsFan]

PBJ

[Bump]

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[MotherfuckerJones]

Feels good man....

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ROFLROFLROFLLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

[MotherfuckerJones]

Instagram?

Back to the Future IV?

[Mr. Kotter]

i like money

Heh....LMAO

[Strongside]

Not sure if this is Q, but its gold...

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[Cannibal]

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just watched Django... that guy stole the fucking show.

He also stole the show in Inglourious Basterds.

[dbk301]

Anybody else read where Jason LaConfora says Reid may go young on his staff, perhaps no Shurmer or Castillo. Will be more hands on with the offense.

[htismaqe]

Anybody else read where Jason LaConfora says Reid may go young on his staff, perhaps no Shurmer or Castillo. Will be more hands on with the offense.

Yeah. It's pretty much contrary to ALL of the other "insider" info we've heard so far.

[Dylan]

Congratulations!

When is Reid's introductory press conference?

[Cornstock]

THE DEAL IS DONE!

[GloryDayz]

Is there a reason they traveled back to the early 80's to sign it?

Paying him a price to coach a team that's not won a SB in only 12 years was a simpler sell?

[kcchiefsus]

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Keep that faggot shit out of here.

[GloryDayz]

Congratulations!

When is Reid's introductory press conference?

This is it...

[1ChiefsDan]

Luv you. No homo

[BigMeatballDave]

Any ideas on the details of the contract?

Delete your sig

[Ultra Peanut]

FAKE

[threebag]

Boner. I have one.

Feels good man....

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LMAO

That's what i thought too.

NO SAUCE!

This is it...

THE DEAL IS DONE!

Luv you. Homo

Alrighty then

[Thig Lyfe]

Keep that pillowbitergot shit out of here.

Classy brah.

[ChiefMojo]

TO THE SHIP!!!!!!!!!

[milkman]

I just want to remind everyone that almost everyone was just about as excited when the Chiefs signed Pioli as they are now.

[clyde05]

Congratulations!

When is Reid's introductory press conference?

Monday at 1pm.

[threebag]

I just want to remind everyone that almost everyone was just about as excited when the Chiefs signed Pioli as they are now.

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[mr. tegu]

Delete your sig

I know I need to. Can't do as much though from my phone.

Someone needs to make an "I am the Walrus" Beatles motif with Reid.

[Red Brooklyn]

I'm cautiously optimistic, about Andy Reid, but I have my reservations. Clearly, he's a major upgrade over the last two HC's. In that regard this is a huge win. He's a coach that values the QB position; also another major plus. We'll see what happens, but I'm pumped. I'm excited to see Clark go out there and get the guy that most regarded as the #1 prospect.

[alnorth]

I just received a written transcript of a portion of the negotiations in Philly last night. It is as follows:

Want to have the final say on everything? Good, we were hoping you wanted that. Want to be one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL with 5 years guaranteed? done. Want to hire your own boss? OK, give me a few minutes and I'll can Pioli's ass, you just tell me who to hire for GM. Wait, you want ME to be your boss? OK, I can do that. You still need to pick a GM though because when I rushed out the door just now I threw Scott out a 2nd-story window. Come on, I'll give you free use of the private jet, hell just take the jet, want a cooler full of beer that is always stocked, fi- huh? You are mormon? OK, alcohol is now banned in Arrowhead, what else?

[BigRedChief]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, probably a million times but just in case...........

Last sticking point was.......Reid wasn't going to finalize and sign the deal until Pioli was fired because of the language in Pioli's contract that he had control of player personnel.

[The Bad Guy]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, probably a million times but just in case...........

Reid wasn't going to finalize and sign the deal until Pioli was fired because of the language in Pioli's contract that he had control of player personnel.

That's not true.

Clark could not hire Reid without Pioli signing off on it. Pioli had control of all football moves in his deal. Reid had nothing to do with that aspect.

Pioli would have easily sued Clark for a breach of contract which would have resulted in a lot more than the money he was owed.

That was the concern.

[BigRedChief]

That's not true.

Clark could not hire Reid without Pioli signing off on it. Pioli had control of all football moves in his deal. Reid had nothing to do with that aspect.

Pioli would have easily sued Clark for a breach of contract which would have resulted in a lot more than the money he was owed.

That was the concern.Just what the radio guy emailed me. Take it for what its worth. I still don't trust the guy. If your information is from the guy you know personally...... I'd believe that.

[Gravedigger]

Apparently Tom Heckert cancelled his GM interview with the Jets. Wonder if that says anything...

[BigRedChief]

Radio guy telling me they are waiting on the GM/Player personnel decision to be made this weekend. They can just have one big presser. What's your guy say Bad Guy?

[The Bad Guy]

Just what the radio guy emailed me. Take it for what its worth. I still don't trust the guy. If your information is from the guy you know personally...... I'd believe that.

Yeah, that's what I was told early last night. Reid's contract holdup was haggling over length of deal (Reid won out) and Clark at first trying to negotiate a buyout with Pioli, and then firing him late last night when lawyers cautioned him that he'd have a lot of issues if he tried to pass through Reid's contract while Pioli was still on the books.

[BigRedChief]

Apparently Tom Heckert cancelled his GM interview with the Jets. Wonder if that says anything...Heckert and Dorsey are both interviewing with the Jets?

[The Bad Guy]

Radio guy telling me they are waiting on the GM/Player personnel decision to be made this weekend. They can just have one big presser. What's your guy say Bad Guy?

I think they just have to negotiate the contracts.

I do agree that it'll be a one shot presser. Won't be multiple ones.

[The Bad Guy]

Heckert and Dorsey are both interviewing with the Jets?

Dorsey was supposed to interview today. Didn't happen from my buddy who is a Jets beat writer. They interviewed Caldwell from the Falcons today.

[Tombstone RJ]

unbelvieable i cant believe clark really went out and got the best canidate available !
no bargain basement leftover washed out half baked asst. coach this time !
i think this is the best move for this team he could make , i wish it was september now so we could get started !

lol

[KChiefsQT]

I just want to remind everyone that almost everyone was just about as excited when the Chiefs signed Pioli as they are now.

True story! I'm just glad Fat Albert was canned along with piece of s Pioli! I'm giving Reid a fair chance but I'm not overly jumping up and down thrilled until he proves something in KC!

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Save Our Chiefs Gives Stamp of Approval Will Not Disband (http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Save-Our-Chiefs-pleased-by-coaching-moves/-/11664182/18019718/-/i6w869/-/index.html)

[MotherfuckerJones]

I think they just have to negotiate the contracts.

I do agree that it'll be a one shot presser. Won't be multiple ones.

Contracts of Dorsey and Heckert?

[BigRedChief]

Save Our Chiefs Gives Stamp of Approval Will Not Disband (http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Save-Our-Chiefs-pleased-by-coaching-moves/-/11664182/18019718/-/i6w869/-/index.html)Didn't you guys say you would fold the tent at the end of the year?

I don't think you should just asking.

[ChiefMojo]

I know everyone is waiting on Rivera and his meeting with Richardson tomorrow to determine if he will be a option to be the DC soon but a name being thrown around a lot today that is a very strong possibility to be the DC is Monte Kiffin.

Remember Kiffin just left his sons staff at USC and the prevailing feeling is he wants one last shot in the NFL before he retires. Last time Reid had great defenses is when he had another old coordinator calling the shots in Johnson. My only question with Kiffin is isn't he a master mind of a the Tampa 2? I know we ran it under Herm but would we go back to that?

[houstonwhodat]

Cassel gets cut on Tuesday.

[beach tribe]

I just want to remind everyone that almost everyone was just about as excited when the Chiefs signed Pioli as they are now.

Was just thinking this.
Also thinking about how this is the second time in a row that Clark has landed what was considered to be the Top guy available for the position that he was trying to fill.
He obviously does not **** around when it comes to hiring the guy that he wants running his franchise.
Thank You Clark. I'm very happy to have you as an owner.
You have proven that you will do what is necessary to turn this team into a winner.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Cassel gets cut on Tuesday.

:clap: Hope so

[MotherfuckerJones]

I know we should temper excitement but fuck it its been nothing but gloom and doom

[KChiefs1]

When do we start hearing about staff additions? After the announcement of the new GM?

[Lonewolf Ed]

So does anyone know if Cassel has fled KC wrapped tightly in a dark cloak under a moonless night sky? Or does he think he's still going to play here next season?

[Sorter]

I know everyone is waiting on Rivera and his meeting with Richardson tomorrow to determine if he will be a option to be the DC soon but a name being thrown around a lot today that is a very strong possibility to be the DC is Monte Kiffin.

Remember Kiffin just left his sons staff at USC and the prevailing feeling is he wants one last shot in the NFL before he retires. Last time Reid had great defenses is when he had another old coordinator calling the shots in Johnson. My only question with Kiffin is isn't he a master mind of a the Tampa 2? I know we ran it under Herm but would we go back to that?

Holy shit Batman, what the fuck are you trying to say in this post?

[Sorter]

So does anyone know if Cassel has fled KC wrapped tightly in a dark cloak under a moonless night sky? Or does he think he's still going to play here next season?

ROFLROFLROFL

[Pin Head]

I know we should temper excitement but **** it its been nothing but gloom and doom


We'll be a little better next year but don't kid yourself about competing for an AFC West title anytime soon.

[BossChief]

What the fuck. I just read a text from earlier that says Reid wants to try and hire Heckert AND Dorsey.

How is that possible? It has to be a typo, doesn't it?

[Sorter]

What the ****. I just read a text from earlier that says Reid wants to try and hire Heckert AND Dorsey.

How is that possible? It has to be a typo, doesn't it?

Dorsey=Gm
Heckert=Dir. of PP/CS

[AussieChiefsFan]

What are the details of the contract? yrs/$

[BossChief]

Dorsey=Gm
Heckert=Dir. of PP/CS

Has this been talked about on here?

I've heard of an either/or signing, but not BOTH...bad guy, have you heard this?

[Sorter]

Has this been talked about on here?

I've heard of an either/or signing, but not BOTH...bad guy, have you heard this?

That's the rumor I've seen consistently. Dorsey=Gm and Heckert hired in other capacity.

[BossChief]

That's the rumor I've seen consistently. Dorsey=Gm and Heckert hired in other capacity.

It's true...must not have been a typo, then.

[Sorter]

It's true...must not have been a typo, then.

I'd be more surprised if it didn't happen IMO.

[BossChief]

Not sure how I feel about Heckert, but as a duo we would have a highly impressive front office.

Heckert not going all in for RG3 is troubling, though.

[Sorter]

Not sure how I feel about Heckert, but as a duo we would have a highly impressive front office.

Heckert not going all in for RG3 is troubling, though.

One thing nobody has talked about it a scenario in which he desired to go all in and was told no by the owner...

[AussieChiefsFan]

What are the details of the contract? yrs/$No one knows?

[BryanBusby]

Not sure how I feel about Heckert, but as a duo we would have a highly impressive front office.

Heckert not going all in for RG3 is troubling, though.
That was a Holmgren decision afaik

[FloridaMan88]

No one knows?

5 year contract, not sure on $ amount but it will probably make him among the highest paid HC's in the league.

[AussieChiefsFan]

5 year contract, not sure on $ amount but it will probably make him among the highest paid HC's in the league.Thanks

[007]

Didn't you guys say you would fold the tent at the end of the year?

I don't think you should just asking.

Nope. He mentioned a few times that he would rebrand SOC to a Chiefs news thing.

[BigChiefFan]

5 year contract, not sure on $ amount but it will probably make him among the highest paid HC's in the league.

Bully for Clark and the Chiefs. I've given him alot of shit in recent months and I'm glad he's exceeded my expectations. I stand corrected in his passion for winning.

[MotherfuckerJones]

We'll be a little better next year but don't kid yourself about competing for an AFC West title anytime soon.

We'll compete! Ill bet anything. We have a REAL coaching staff. We'll have a fucking great front office

[MotherfuckerJones]

Not sure how I feel about Heckert, but as a duo we would have a highly impressive front office.

Heckert not going all in for RG3 is troubling, though.

Hey Boss, go look it up. Cleveland offered a good deal. WASH got the deal done because Fisher and Shanny are pals. Cleveland talked to the media about how pissed they were they thought they had a deal

[R8RFAN]

It's a good safe pick... Reid is a good coach his time in Philly just got stale...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's a good safe pick... Reid is a good coach his time in Philly just got stale...

One of the most universal highly regarded moves in recent Chiefs history. Respected by fans and rivals alike. This team gets a QB look out. Ohhhh, we have the number one overall pick of the litter :)

[R8RFAN]

One of the most universal highly regarded moves in recent Chiefs history. Respected by fans and rivals alike. This team gets a QB look out. Ohhhh, we have the number one overall pick of the litter :)

Well he damn sure won't hurt KC, he may bring in a Vet at QB though...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

R8ers decides not to troll us on this...Hmm...shocking. :D

[threebag]

R8ers decides not to troll us on this...Hmm...shocking. :D

One step closer to CHIEFS fandom.

[R8RFAN]

R8ers decides not to troll us on this...Hmm...shocking. :D

Theres not alot to troll, you can't get any ****ing worse even if I was the coach. :)

[WhiteWhale]

You know... I don't think there is a single coach in the entire NFL who manages the clock worse than Andy Reid. His clock management is sub-herm.

I hope you guys realize that. Andy is great at building a team, designing an offense, and all of that. On gameday, he is terrible. The guy would have a couple SB championships if he had been able to get out of his team's way.

Sooo... I"m glad you guys are all happy. I can't say there was a hire out there I was really high on... Andy Reid was 2nd on my retread list though. It could have been much worse.

Just be prepared to have a really good team that is held back by their coach on gameday. Just like Marty.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Well he damn sure won't hurt KC, he may bring in a Vet at QB though...

You can keep Palmer.

[R8RFAN]

You can keep Palmer.

Since we are rebuilding, I just as well have Pryor at QB to be honest with you and save 13 Million..

1 player won't make a team win even if he does throw for 4k yards if you can never stop the other team from scoring.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Since we are rebuilding, I just as well have Pryor at QB to be honest with you and save 13 Million..

1 player won't make a team win even if he does throw for 4k yards if you can never stop the other team from scoring.

You need to hope like hell Tyler Wilson drops to your spot and they snatch him up. I won't say shit about your QB situation if that happens. Pryor won't amount to squat. You don't have a legit longterm solution at QB, you are toast in today's NFL.

[R8RFAN]

You need to hope like hell Tyler Wilson drops to your spot and they snatch him up. I won't say shit about your QB situation if that happens. Pryor won't amount to squat. You don't have a legit longterm solution at QB, you are toast in today's NFL.

You are getting ready to see why Madden and many in the NFL suggested Reggie become our GM... The NFL is about finding the gems in the draft not the first rounders..

You just worry about Cheapo Clark and the Cheaps , we got this shit covered in Raiderland

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Maybe he'll give us a 2nd for Stanzi then??

[R8RFAN]

Maybe he'll give us a 2nd for Stanzi then??


You guys take our scrubs.. What did I tell you about Routt and Boss last year when you got them? I told you Routt was shit and Boss was a member of the hot tub club... I was right again.:clap:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

...and I told you how bad the Faider defense and secondary was going to be. You didn't listen at the time.

[R8RFAN]

...and I told you how bad the Faider defense and secondary was going to be. You didn't listen at the time.


I knew that they would not be good, I was just hoping they wouldn't be as bad as they were. No one could have predicted them being that bad.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I knew that they would not be good, I was just hoping they wouldn't be as bad as they were. No one could have predicted them being that bad.

I did :evil: They were starting guys that likely wouldn't make a UFL squad.

[R8RFAN]

I did :evil: They were starting guys that likely wouldn't make a UFL squad.

No you didn't... You also predicted the Chiefs would have a better record than the Raiders and that was epic fail, you predicted the Chiefs to beat the Raiders this year and you got swept, You predicted the Cheaps in the playoffs this year, was so damn confident you bet with me and we called that off but you still lost.. Don't give me that horse shit because as dysfunctional as the Raiders are we do go to a SB every now and then and do win a Playoff game every now and then and no matter how well you think the Chiefs draft you have the exact same thing in the trophy case as we do for the last 20 years minus the AFC Championship Trophy.

[Rausch]

And NOW we can move forward...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Mission accomplished

[CoMoChief]

You are getting ready to see why Madden and many in the NFL suggested Reggie become our GM... The NFL is about finding the gems in the draft not the first rounders..

You just worry about Cheapo Clark and the Cheaps , we got this shit covered in Raiderland

WTF does this mean? You guys sold the damn barn for Carson Palmer

[Lex Luthor]

I just want to remind everyone that almost everyone was just about as excited when the Chiefs signed Pioli as they are now.
So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Clark is cheap smack is soooooo Sunday.

[R8RFAN]

WTF does this mean? You guys sold the damn barn for Carson Palmer

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since fucking Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

[mlyonsd]

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
We wouldn't pay him or he, like Manning, wanted no part of the fiasco that were the Pioli Chief's?

[R8RFAN]

We wouldn't pay him or he, like Manning, wanted no part of the fiasco that were the Pioli Chief's?

Not a chance and you know damn well the Hunts aren't willing to pay the kind of money to bring a FA Like Manning in. It was just a smoke screen to keep you guys in the seats and to make you think he tried... One team held all the cards and cap room for Manning and that was the Chiefs...

Imagine what that 30 million in cap room could have done to replace the shit at QB you have this year?

[milkman]

So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.

10 years with 3 playoff wins, 2 that came in the same season, and no SB to show for it.

10 years closer to death without sniffing a SB.

The fact still remains, regardless of resume's, that the excitement when Scott Pioli was hired, the excitement level was the same.

I am not drawing a parallel of previous records.

I am comparing reactions.

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

That wasn't about money.

That was Scott Pioli ensuring that Matt Cassel had no real competition.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude, they just spent like 20 million replacing Varys and hiring Reid. You are going full troll again.

[Rausch]

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

We just demoted the GM position to the HC's man-servant.

His job is to do the will of the HC.

And the HC we just hired has no fear of spending money for people he wants. He went out and grabbed every goodie in free agency a few years ago and built the "dream team."

Clark didn't hire this guy to not spend money...

[Lex Luthor]

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
Dumbass. That was a Pioli decision, not a Clark Hunt decision. Pioli didn't want Kyle Orton to challenge Matt Cassell for the starting job this year.

Clark Hunt overpaid Pioli, and he just shelled out around $35 million for Andy Reid. That pretty much debunks all of the talk about how cheap people think he is.

[chiefzilla1501]

So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.

You nailed it on your last part. As of right now, he is a very good coach who hasn't proven he can win the big game. And regardless of his playoff win/loss record, anyone in the NFC East can attest that those wins came despite some questionable game management on Reid' part.

The last time around, I trusted Pioli in the same way Hunt did. That was a mistake, and we have to be careful about that. If we repeat history, we'll definitely give him way too much power and we'll extend his contract regardless of how he performs. Like I said before... the DC decision shouldn't be his, he should have say in personnel but hopefully learn to trust his talent evaluators, and in year 5 we have to decide what level of success is acceptable to extend his contract (given the Chiefs' history... they'd be content with "good enough.")

[mlyonsd]

Not a chance and you know damn well the Hunts aren't willing to pay the kind of money to bring a FA Like Manning in. It was just a smoke screen to keep you guys in the seats and to make you think he tried... One team held all the cards and cap room for Manning and that was the Chiefs...

Imagine what that 30 million in cap room could have done to replace the shit at QB you have this year?Manning has all the money he needs. He's a competitor that weighed his options. Pioli's chiefs with Romeo and Daboll were probably never much of a consideration to him.

[R8RFAN]

Ok, You guys clean off your rose colored glasses and be back here next year when you are 6-10 because El Cheapo Clark wouldn't spend the cash, I am not arguing with you hard heads.

[R8RFAN]

Manning has all the money he needs. He's a competitor that weighed his options. Pioli's chiefs with Romeo and Daboll were probably never much of a consideration to him.

Obviously he doesn't, he risked eating babyfood for the rest of his life to grab the money....


Nobody in the NFL does it for anything except money...

[milkman]

We just demoted the GM position to the HC's man-servant.

His job is to do the will of the HC.

And the HC we just hired has no fear of spending money for people he wants. He went out and grabbed every goodie in free agency a few years ago and built the "dream team."

Clark didn't hire this guy to not spend money...

I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.

[Lex Luthor]

10 years with 3 playoff wins, 2 that came in the same season, and no SB to show for it.

10 years closer to death without sniffing a SB.

The fact still remains, regardless of resume's, that the excitement when Scott Pioli was hired, the excitement level was the same.

I am not drawing a parallel of previous records.

I am comparing reactions.

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

[htismaqe]

I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.

Good thing the #1 candidate for our GM job was the director of college scouting for the Packers...

[ChiefMojo]

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

[milkman]

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

[milkman]

Good thing the #1 candidate for our GM job was the director of college scouting for the Packers...

If Dorsey does take the job, then I can buy in a little more.

[htismaqe]

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

You've never been on board. :)

[chiefzilla1501]

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

The problem is when fans get over-excited, they let things slide. Just as we, myself not just included (maybe especially), did with Pioli. I'm optimistic about Reid. I'm also not going to kid myself and pretend the red flags aren't there, both in what he did in Philly and what KC might do to coddle him.

[WhiteWhale]

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

What happened to Reid in philly parallels a LOT of long tenured coaches. Once the 'superbowl or bust' pressure is on after 8 or more years things change.

The coach's core has aged and he has to rebuild, but the fans will not tolerate a rebuild with the same coach. They just won't. Instead he starts trying to 'retool' by grabbing any talent, regardless of baggage, just to fill holes left by his aging stars.

It happened to Marty, and it happened to Fisher. Well, actually Fisher WAS allowed to rebuild... it just failed.

[ChiefMojo]

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

[Imon Yourside]

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

I wanted Kelly but think Reid was probably my 2nd choice.

[htismaqe]

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

14 years. Comfort. Myopia.

He gave Juan Castillo the DC job because Castillo wanted to be a coordinator and Andy wanted to do him a favor.

Was it a bad decision? Absolutely.

But it's a decision you make in year 11 or 12 of your tenure, not year 1.

[htismaqe]

What happened to Reid in philly parallels a LOT of long tenured coaches. Once the 'superbowl or bust' pressure is on after 8 or more years things change.

The coach's core has aged and he has to rebuild, but the fans will not tolerate a rebuild with the same coach. They just won't. Instead he starts trying to 'retool' by grabbing any talent, regardless of baggage, just to fill holes left by his aging stars.

It happened to Marty, and it happened to Fisher. Well, actually Fisher WAS allowed to rebuild... it just failed.

THIS.

[mlyonsd]

The problem is when fans get over-excited, they let things slide. Just as we, myself not just included (maybe especially), did with Pioli. I'm optimistic about Reid. I'm also not going to kid myself and pretend the red flags aren't there, both in what he did in Philly and what KC might do to coddle him.
From the looks of the QB poll thread if the chiefs don't go after a QB in the 1st round the over-excited expectations will turn into all out rebellion before the first snap of training camp.

There might even be a banner flying around St. Joe.ROFL

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Can't wait to head to other team's boards and read the "Cassel wouldn't be a bad number 2 for the right price. Maybe fill in starter." posts, heh.

[milkman]

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

[htismaqe]

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

You'd really take Cowher over Reid? Are you feeling OK?

[Lex Luthor]

I guess one thing that makes me happy about hiring Andy Reid is that it almost seems that giving the GM power to the head coach was the only way that Clark Hunt was willing to get rid of that POS Pioli.

If Clark had hired a brand new head coach, he would have had to fire Pioli and hire a brand new GM too. We all know that it's EXACTLY what he should have done, but based upon the way Clark approached the whole thing this week, my fear is that Pioli might have survived if Clark hadn't hired a head coach who could make this decision for him.

Maybe I'm not being fair to Clark Hunt. Maybe if he had hired Chip Kelly or Mike McCoy or Jay Gruden, he would have then fired Pioli and then started looking for a new GM. But letting Reid do the work of finding his own GM certainly made the process easier for Clark and quicker for everyone.

Just think what a fiasco it would have been if Chip Kelly and Scott Pioli were peers next season. Their conflict could have been a replay of the Pioli/Haley conflicts.

[The Bad Guy]

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

No, Kyle Orton didn't even give the Chiefs a chance. He bolted for Dallas the minute they told him Cassel was the starter going forward.

Cheap owners don't shell out nearly 2.5 million for Haley to go away, 4 million for Romeo go to away and 15 million for Pioli to go away.

Sorry, the Clark is cheap bullshit is garbage. The Hunt family spent a ton on free agent contracts in the 2000s. He spent a ton of money in 2010 to get Weis and Romeo on staff as well.

Reid is going to cost 40 million. He's hiring a new GM that's going to get at least 3-5 million a year and have to hire a cap guy.

[The Bad Guy]

Brian Billick would have been more preferable?

How?

Brian Billick needs exceptional talent to win. He needs all world players to win. Cunningham was fantastic in Minnesota, he had a stud running back, 2 unreal WRs and a stud slot in Jake Reed.

When he went to Baltimore, he had the greatest defense I've ever seen.

There's also a reason the guy hasn't sniffed a HC job since he was let go from Baltimore over 5 years ago.

[WhiteWhale]

You'd really take Cowher over Reid? Are you feeling OK?

Reid is an offensive version of the same coach, but with 1 less superbowl ring.

[dirk digler]

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

Your are not alone with this feeling compadre.

[In58men]

Add this to the OP

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/06/gepubegy.jpg

[milkman]

You'd really take Cowher over Reid? Are you feeling OK?

As I've said before, I don't like Reid's approach on offense, the general lack of balance, and the fact that he put the game in the hands of a guy that I always considered highly overrated in McNabb.

I also don't generally like the type of defensive players he targets in the draft.

I'd take Cowher because I believe he could lure Chan Gailey back to KC as OC, and I think Gailey, while not a good HC, is one of the very best offensive minds in the NFL.

Brian Billick would have been more preferable?

How?

Brian Billick needs exceptional talent to win. He needs all world players to win. Cunningham was fantastic in Minnesota, he had a stud running back, 2 unreal WRs and a stud slot in Jake Reed.

When he went to Baltimore, he had the greatest defense I've ever seen.

There's also a reason the guy hasn't sniffed a HC job since he was let go from Baltimore over 5 years ago.

Brian Billick is a solid administrator, which I believe is critical to success.

Who he brings in assistents would be critical.

[Rugby Thompson]

That pic of Andy and Clark looks like it's from the 1970's, why is this team more secretive then the CIA?

[htismaqe]

Reid is an offensive version of the same coach, but with 1 less superbowl ring.

And that one less Super Bowl ring makes him all the more palatable over Cowher. Cowher doesn't even want to coach, let alone have a desire to win a championship.

[htismaqe]

I'd take Cowher because I believe he could lure Chan Gailey back to KC as OC, and I think Gailey, while not a good HC, is one of the very best offensive minds in the NFL.

Wow. Who stole the real milkman?

[ChiefMojo]

It is tough to decorate Arrowhead in such short time. Peehole had that place like a mortuary.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Brian Billick would have been more preferable?

How?

Brian Billick needs exceptional talent to win. He needs all world players to win. Cunningham was fantastic in Minnesota, he had a stud running back, 2 unreal WRs and a stud slot in Jake Reed.

When he went to Baltimore, he had the greatest defense I've ever seen.

There's also a reason the guy hasn't sniffed a HC job since he was let go from Baltimore over 5 years ago.

Brian billick won because he had the greatest D of all time! He sucks no thanks. That ass clown athan kept pushing for him

[MotherfuckerJones]

No, Kyle Orton didn't even give the Chiefs a chance. He bolted for Dallas the minute they told him Cassel was the starter going forward.

Cheap owners don't shell out nearly 2.5 million for Haley to go away, 4 million for Romeo go to away and 15 million for Pioli to go away.

Sorry, the Clark is cheap bullshit is garbage. The Hunt family spent a ton on free agent contracts in the 2000s. He spent a ton of money in 2010 to get Weis and Romeo on staff as well.

Reid is going to cost 40 million. He's hiring a new GM that's going to get at least 3-5 million a year and have to hire a cap guy.

:clap: plus player contracts and routt who was cut

[Pin Head]

All of this pro bowl talent in KC has been around for awhile now yet we has 5 losing seasons in the last 6 years. And we're not talking about a bunch of 7-9 seasons...usually worse than that.

I like Reid but can't overlook his disasterous last two seasons. Any coach who can't win The SB with the talent Reid had there in Philly is not a good coach.

I give Reid 3 years before he is fired.

[MotherfuckerJones]

WTF does this mean? You guys sold the damn barn for Carson Palmer

More like stick to shooting fans and being ghetto motheruckers ROFL

[htismaqe]

All of this pro bowl talent in KC has been around for awhile now yet we has 5 losing seasons in the last 6 years. And we're not talking about a bunch of 7-9 seasons...usually worse than that.

I like Reid but can't overlook his disasterous last two seasons. Any coach who can't win The SB with the talent Reid had there in Philly is not a good coach.

I give Reid years before he fired.

The last two seasons are a direct result of him being there too long. If a coach can't win a championship in the first 5 years, it's time to move on.

[O.city]

Why is Bob continually allowed to run around with different profiles and talk about hte same stupid bullshit, when we know he's trolling?

[Chief Henry]

I hope Coach Andy Reid is as hungry for a Super Bowl title as he is for KC Bar B Q !

[Sassy Squatch]

You can tell Clark is as giddy as a kid on christmas. Fucking smiling all over the place and what not.

[Pin Head]

The last two seasons are a direct result of him being there too long. If a coach can't win a championship in the first 5 years, it's time to move on.

No excuses. The NFL is a league of "win the big one or you are a failure."

[R8RFAN]

No, Kyle Orton didn't even give the Chiefs a chance. He bolted for Dallas the minute they told him Cassel was the starter going forward.

Cheap owners don't shell out nearly 2.5 million for Haley to go away, 4 million for Romeo go to away and 15 million for Pioli to go away.

Sorry, the Clark is cheap bullshit is garbage. The Hunt family spent a ton on free agent contracts in the 2000s. He spent a ton of money in 2010 to get Weis and Romeo on staff as well.

Reid is going to cost 40 million. He's hiring a new GM that's going to get at least 3-5 million a year and have to hire a cap guy.

I am not saying you didn't get an upgrade, I personally like Reid. You people like to Judge the Raiders for how they were when Al was alive and you still think the same system is going to be run as usual... Wild erratic trading and money spending.... Raiders will prove it in the coming years, Historically the Chiefs have been cheap, until they show me otherwise, they are still going to be cheap...

[milkman]

I am not saying you didn't get an upgrade, I personally like Reid. You people like to Judge the Raiders for how they were when Al was alive and you still think the same system is going to be run as usual... Wild erratic trading and money spending.... Raiders will prove it in the coming years, Historically the Chiefs have been cheap, until they show me otherwise, they are still going to be cheap...

No, the Chiefs have not historically been cheap.

Through most of the Carl era, he had to manipulate the cap numbers in order to get under the cap and bring in free agents and sign draft picks.

In '08, Herman fucking Edwards sold Hunt on a plan to rebuild, and the result of that plan had the Chiefs millions under the cap.

But at the same time the Chiefs were third in the league in actual money spent last year.

[tk13]

Orton didn't want to come here in the first place. People still don't understand this. Before they even claimed him, Orton was floating that he might not report to KC to the media, because he wanted to go to Chicago. John Clayton openly reported this. He did not even want to be in KC, but he showed up, played the good employee and got out as fast as he could.

[KCSPORTSNUT]

Wow 2013 looking good with the Chiefs 13th head coach.Its a sign.

[Pin Head]

12-20 the past two years. No playoff wins since 08. Other than poor draft picks...

-horrible time management

-doesn't have a clue when to call timeouts or challenge a call

-unable to make in-game adjustments

-Poor play calling

-throwing 60 plus times a game and ignoring the run game he's a great coach.

[mnchiefsguy]

I am not saying you didn't get an upgrade, I personally like Reid. You people like to Judge the Raiders for how they were when Al was alive and you still think the same system is going to be run as usual... Wild erratic trading and money spending.... Raiders will prove it in the coming years, Historically the Chiefs have been cheap, until they show me otherwise, they are still going to be cheap...

Dude, Clark is paying Scott Pioli fucking millions to go away. He is paying Andy Reid close to 8 million a year to coach the team, and whomever Reid brings in as GM is gonna get paid too. Clark has been worthy of criticizing in the past, but given how many millions he has spent this week, calling him cheap is a pretty weak argument.

[Rausch]

I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.

Completely agree.

That said, Clark has been the ugly girl at the school dance.

Far, FAR too passive.

The last decade our approach to FA was "well, if we can get guy X at a good price lets do it!"

Reid identified his targets and said "these are the people I think we need. Do what we have to so we can get them."

Did Reid get burned?

Yes, clearly.

Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,
Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter,
I am no prophet—and here’s no great matter;
I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,
And in short, I was afraid.

Reid may be wrong but he won't be too timid to attempt...

[Pin Head]

I hope Andy finds the second coming of Jim Johnson for defense.

Andy Reid...

-Lost an NFC championship game AND a SB purely on time management.

-Lost 3 NFC championship games at home to teams they dominated that season and seasons before.

-Had two great RB's but refused to run the ball while opting to throw 90% of the time to 3rd rate WR the best of which was Freddie Mitchell. (lol)

[chiefzilla1501]

Orton didn't want to come here in the first place. People still don't understand this. Before they even claimed him, Orton was floating that he might not report to KC to the media, because he wanted to go to Chicago. John Clayton openly reported this. He did not even want to be in KC, but he showed up, played the good employee and got out as fast as he could.

I feel like we've heard just as much smoke that the main reason he left Kansas City was because Pioli made it clear that Cassel was his guy no matter what.

[Rausch]

I hope Andy finds the second coming of Jim Johnson for defense.

Andy Reid...

-Lost an NFC championship game AND a SB purely on time management.

-Lost 3 NFC championship games at home to teams they dominated that season and seasons before.

-Had two great RB's but refused to run the ball while opting to throw 90% of the time to 3rd rate WR the best of which was Freddie Mitchell. (lol)

In that same amount of time the Chiefs won two division titles and ZERO playoff games.

Baby steps.

Fucking baby steps...

[ChiefMojo]

Raush you are correct, baby steps.

Hell we will just be happy to get around .500 next season.

[Pin Head]

In that same amount of time the Chiefs won two division titles and ZERO playoff games.

Baby steps.

****ing baby steps...


The Giants won two SB's during Andy's time. Reid was in Philly 14 years and has been to one SB in 2004 and lost. He's had Philly in many playoff games and back in the day contending year after year, yet no SB win and teams are clamoring for him?

Agreed. We did'nt get this way overnight and the fix isn't going to happpen overnight either.

[Rausch]

Raush you are correct, baby steps.

Hell we will just be happy to get around .500 next season.

Look at the schedule.

Even with a below average QB (Alex Smith, rookie, random 2nd stringer) we should net 6 wins.

Bottom end.

[Rausch]

The Giants won two SB's during Andy's time. Reid was in Philly 14 years and has been to one SB in 2004 and lost. He's had Philly in many playoff games and back in the day contending year after year, yet no SB win and teams are clamoring for him?

I'm not saying and don't believe he'll win us a SB.

No, I don't.

I think he'll rebuild this franchise back to the Marty/Carl level of competitive.

That's it.

Then I think (3-4 years) he should be fired and the best guy we believe can take us to the next level should be hired.

Agreed. We did'nt get this way overnight and the fix isn't going to happpen overnight either.

See above...

[R8RFAN]

Dude, Clark is paying Scott Pioli ****ing millions to go away. He is paying Andy Reid close to 8 million a year to coach the team, and whomever Reid brings in as GM is gonna get paid too. Clark has been worthy of criticizing in the past, but given how many millions he has spent this week, calling him cheap is a pretty weak argument.

He is spending the money on a good coach NOW... but Free Agents, BOWE etc.... I will reserve my thoughts for now.

[Lex Luthor]

He is spending the money on a good coach NOW... but Free Agents, BOWE etc.... I will reserve my thoughts for now.
Everyone at Chiefsplanet is waiting with baited breath for a Raiders fan's thoughts on Clark Hunt.

[DTLB58]

I'm not saying and don't believe he'll win us a SB.

No, I don't.

I think he'll rebuild this franchise back to the Marty/Carl level of competitive.

That's it.

Then I think (3-4 years) he should be fired and the best guy we believe can take us to the next level should be hired.



See above...

Yep. That's exactly what I said yesterday also. Hopefully after 3-5 years we discover some young gun and he takes us over the top and finishes the job that Reid started.
I don't have blinders on when it comes to Reid, I think he can return the franchise to respectability, but I don't think he is a SB winning coach. Let's hope I'm wrong.

[O.city]

Reid is 54, he's not Romeo old.


An association a KU friend made of Reid is, Roy Williams. He was great at KU, consistent winner. But he never won the big one.

Sometimes a change of scenery is needed when you are with a certain team for that long.

[DomerNKC]

What we had is a total change of direction by our owner. We just witnessed a Clarkopalypse!!!!

[bevischief]

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

I agree after doing my own research after you brought his name up. Reid was in my top 5 so I am not disappointed. Clark made a statement and I like it.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Yep. That's exactly what I said yesterday also. Hopefully after 3-5 years we discover some young gun and he takes us over the top and finishes the job that Reid started.
I don't have blinders on when it comes to Reid, I think he can return the franchise to respectability, but I don't think he is a SB winning coach. Let's hope I'm wrong.

His Eagles lost by 3 points in the SB to the cheating Patriots

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Everyone at Chiefsplanet is waiting with baited breath for a Raiders fan's thoughts on Clark Hunt.

Reighters is trolling. The Cheaps stuff is his schtick.

[Mosbonian]

As I've said before, I don't like Reid's approach on offense, the general lack of balance, and the fact that he put the game in the hands of a guy that I always considered highly overrated in McNabb.

I also don't generally like the type of defensive players he targets in the draft.

I'd take Cowher because I believe he could lure Chan Gailey back to KC as OC, and I think Gailey, while not a good HC, is one of the very best offensive minds in the NFL.



Brian Billick is a solid administrator, which I believe is critical to success.

Who he brings in assistents would be critical.

Cowher wasn't coming here, not sure why anyone had an honest belief he would have. He's shown no interest in taking better opportunities and to think he would have come here with the situation being what it is would be foolish.

Brian Billick has zero offensive intelligence. If he couldn't win with the best damn defensive unit in years what makes anyone believe he could do crap with what sad defensive capabilities we have here now?

I think Reid was a good choice...would I have loved to see Cowher? Sure but I'm realistic enough to realize it wasn't a reality.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Billick was a good OC in Minnesota because he had Chris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith. He couldnt do jack with Baltimore

[Kerberos]

Someone might have already asked this but I don't want to look at every thread and post to find out...... Did the Chiefs satisfy the "Rooney Rule" before they hired Reid?

Or since the outgoing coach was a minority they didn't have too?

[siberian khatru]

Someone might have already asked this but I don't want to look at every thread and post to find out...... Did the Chiefs satisfy the "Rooney Rule" before they hired Reid?

Or since the outgoing coach was a minority they didn't have too?

Falcons ST coach

[MotherfuckerJones]

Someone might have already asked this but I don't want to look at every thread and post to find out...... Did the Chiefs satisfy the "Rooney Rule" before they hired Reid?

Or since the outgoing coach was a minority they didn't have too?

Im guessing we interviewed Ray Farmer to satisfy the rule.

[Pin Head]

Billick was a good OC in Minnesota because he had Chris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith. He couldnt do jack with Baltimore

Billick won a Superbowl defeating the Giants 34-7.